pvp-arena

[hollow lagoon]

Me going mlb day 1

Gear level very low, Wouldent know, also she on quantum

[old mural]

so i should try to get nayuta > liberiano = red hood all three of them

[hollow lagoon]

I would say if u wanna do well u get 1 copy of the 3 at minimum

[old mural]

i have another question

rn i have 285 gold mileage saved up . i at least wanna get 2 units from the anni and rapi in new year . is this enough to guarantee that ?

[onyx scaffold]

No

[old mural]

shyt

[onyx scaffold]

Each pity is 200 gold mileages

[old mural]

i say that because my luck has been really ass lately

[hollow lagoon]

If the anni free pulls are around 190 and u use them on the banners that give you some tickets back u cant grantee but u be close

[onyx scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/kolow-gif-22856605

[onyx scaffold]

it is 105 cap, not counting stuff from regular shit like tower, daily mission

[old mural]

i see

[hollow lagoon]

105+285 is almost 400

[onyx scaffold]

yeah

[old mural]

i also have 10 pulls saved up

10

[onyx scaffold]

should be enough for 2 banners

[old mural]

alright

[onyx scaffold]

but there are 4 good + 1 bad, not counting new year
new year has 2 more

[old mural]

[hollow lagoon]

But like @onyx scaffold said, just get lucky

[old mural]

oh i am so fked

[hollow lagoon]

Open wallet

[old mural]

[onyx scaffold]

remember that we might get overspec ANIS during new year

[hollow lagoon]

And ur problem goes away

[onyx scaffold]

people cry cuz no rerun
people also cry cuz rerun

Understandable tho

[old mural]

should i exchange red hood with tickets if push comes to shove ?

or save for anis or rapi

[onyx scaffold]

Skip RH

Actually pull first

[shell hazel]

we're a bit cope here tbh but try these for now

[hollow lagoon]

Open wallet, murder kill stages, get more outpost output, dominate pve, get more resource cause u to get more pulls faster, u get more units and level, murder kill pve, u have more units to make teams, murder kill PvP even harder

[old mural]

Thnaks

[onyx scaffold]

Pull Nayuta. Wait and see how strong Liberalio is

[old mural]

okie

[shell hazel]

you can try them as your attack teams as well but eventually you should get more pieces to play with

[old mural]

should i try sp arena rn ?

[shell hazel]

at least they won't crumble totally on defence vs auto all 3 teams

[hollow lagoon]

Skyj did a translation of bits of Jo stream and seems to buff unit allies chargespeed sbs gets another archetype

[cunning crown]

Yeah but what if he's like me and tempted to brick his account forever trying to c7 doro

[hollow lagoon]

No reason to not engage

[cunning crown]

[shell hazel]

you get 2 free tries per day and nothing to lose

[gritty ridge]

Hippo does sg beat bisc jackal scar

[shell hazel]

if your power is above 85% of each enemy team (this is per team) then you're not in any penalty

[old mural]

okie i am going in wirth the jackal team

[onyx scaffold]

If Rosanna crit

[shell hazel]

rookie is the 1 team version, you can probably make 1 better team than the 3 I showed

the 3 teams is spreading your units around some

[gritty ridge]

Nah this is clearly sg win

[old mural]

yes i am in rookie rn

[onyx scaffold]

No rosanna

[shell hazel]

my scar jack usually wins

against SG

scar with no jack is more ???

[gritty ridge]

I cant imagine scar without jack

I was gonna continue my joke but I might get in trouble

[shell hazel]

yeah send the team, you can actually set all 3 (there are slots) and try them

but you need to check power

[onyx scaffold]

Scar jackaless can win if each RL is 20% RL

[old mural]

okie

[shell hazel]

send screenshot of team if you want

I'm voting for me here, not everyone else is, hope I steal all their candy 😄

[shell hazel]

I'd recommend watching the matches sometimes, it helps to figure out what is going on as well

you can quick battle also but if you want to see what happens turn that off with the slider

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

[onyx scaffold]

im voting for u

[shell hazel]

in spirit anyway 😄

[old mural]

okie i will inform you once i have set the squads up and upgraded my nikkes

[shell hazel]

yeah, don't put much into them now as I mentioned

[old mural]

also is moran of no use here ? i heard she was good in pvp

[shell hazel]

anni coming, you'll want stuff to build nayuta with

[old mural]

okie i will only go till budget

[shell hazel]

skills to 4/4/4 is np

don't bother overloading them

or adding doll materials, add normal gear for now with no upgrades

[old mural]

that's actually useful info thanks !

[old mural]

yes i will do just that

[shell hazel]

honestly having your campaign team strong is the real goal for now, you can later build some pvp units too

but just doing good in campaign is the move

[haughty mortar]

IT'S BETTING TIME LADIES! WHO'S IT GONNA BE?!

[shell hazel]

situational and an expensive unit

is she good? yes. is she good on her own and not being fully invested? nope 😛

[haughty mortar]

Then why was I told to invest in her gear?!

[old mural]

i see so kinda heliocentric

[shell hazel]

she's slow also, if you wanted to build the best pvp units first it's helm treasure / jackal / noah

you lack noah so add her to wishlist

along with the other missing pvp core units (centi, trina)

[shell hazel]

because you love moran

https://tenor.com/view/moran-nikke-nikke-goddess-of-victory-gif-15958302663300684403

[old mural]

okie

[shell hazel]

there is a tier list but it includes stuff you won't really need

[haughty mortar]

ABSOLUTELY! Look at this cute hottie!

[shell hazel]

let me show the units you want at least 1 copy of one min

[old mural]

show me

[shell hazel]

the ones I drew boxes around, with RH/Siren being more dual pve

you can't get Emilia (colab) or xmaiden atm (xmas limited)

[haughty mortar]

Missing Cindy, missing Bay

[shell hazel]

you are?

[haughty mortar]

I am

[shell hazel]

cindy is mostly dual purpose pve also

bay is good reasonably for attacking more than defending

[haughty mortar]

Oh and VestiTU

[old mural]

thanks i will save this for reference

[shell hazel]

do you have any quantum cubes?

[haughty mortar]

We need SU to stop the FOMO BS and either add ALL collab characters to a banner or create non-collab equivalents.

[old mural]

i think i do have some cubes

[shell hazel]

if you have 2 we can run a 2RL team lol

quantum on rumani and anis (sr version)

[old mural]

wait are quantum cubes different from the normal cubes

[shell hazel]

just keep in wishlist until you get 1 of each of them - helm and laplace need 3 copies for treasures as the exception

they are yeah, diff type

[old mural]

i think i don't have them . i have normal ones

[old mural]

okie i will do just that

i just won my first sp match

my nikkes overleveled my opponent by a lot

[tropic summit]

well it loses to many CA archetypes, that's for sure

SG teams? could lose
stall teams? could lose
biscuit locked teams? could lose
indom teams? clouse lose

[old mural]

wtf 93 places !

thanks man . i will probably start playing arena now . i have somewhat understood it and if i have a problem i will ask here

[onyx scaffold]

u need to get in top 120. under top 120, you all are equal

[old mural]

i see

[shell hazel]

nice one, you should join any union as well btw

for the union raids/battery resources for the cubes

[old mural]

idk about any good ones (with regullars and veterans for guidance)

[shell hazel]

you can just search for one in the game

[old mural]

okei

[shell hazel]

just make sure it looks active, nearly full if possible, and that when you scroll the members list most are reasonably signed in recently

like not dead accounts/dead union

[old mural]

are there any ones on discord here? looking for newbies

[shell hazel]

people do advertise but think it's tough when you're not that established

[old mural]

okie i will just join an active one that is recommended in game

[shell hazel]

just make sure it's like level 6 or more, and when you check members it looks OK for activity

btw without quantum you could run this

team 3 is just cp pad cope

[old mural]

okie

[shell hazel]

team 2 looks fun

[old mural]

should i try it in rookie arena

[shell hazel]

sure, watch it play out

[old mural]

i am cp diffed there . oppnent has 61k i have like 48k

[shell hazel]

85% is key, might need a little more

it could still win just you start hitting some stat penalties

oh yeah make sure all the units in the teams have cubes if possible - I dunno how many you get

[old mural]

okie

[shell hazel]

arena and pve cubes are a different tab

[old mural]

alright lemme use team 2 and with cubes to see how it goes

[shell hazel]

so you can freely assign out your pve cubes to arena tabs and they work in the different modes

it's 2RL so unless you somehow die instantly you should see it burst fast

[old mural]

lemme upgrade annis and test it out (only gear equip and 444 skill)

[onyx scaffold]

I need to invest in Emma Eunhwa to split Jackal Vesti

[old mural]

bro if someone hasn't told you yet let me tell you , you are a genius. I won that

they bursted and i think someone in my team stunned someone in their team?? idk

[shell hazel]

gg 🙂

as you play more you'll get a feel for how the units work etc, main thing is actually having them so you can build good teams in the end

[old mural]

thanks man . if i get stuck in pvp again i will ask you again. now i will change my wishlist a bit to add pvp units

[shell hazel]

np, lots of knowledgeable people here tbh, not just me, once you get more units you can get new team advice

I'd still generally say prio the pve stuff and pushing both campaign modes where you can (normal + hard)

outpost level higher = more levels = more power

[old mural]

okie

i wll attempt the pvp with this annis team (it is fun) and prioritise the campaign for now

also i have request

will you check my wishlist and suggest some changes

[shell hazel]

anis is only SR but centi/trina SSR versions are better than anis for this role

[old mural]

annis is for burst generation right?

[shell hazel]

yeah can do, don't forget you need to break 160 wall also so you do need some dupes. You'll get one at anni with chime

[old mural]

alright

[shell hazel]

yeah she's a battery unit, just there for burst gen and backup burst if someone else dies

[old mural]

i see

this is what i am rolling for now

[shell hazel]

worth familiarising a bit with the deck builder site as well as it shows your speeds and such, and you can also put enemy units in to see what speed they are

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

the order of the units in the list is generally by burst speed

[old mural]

is this nike a power calculator thing?

[shell hazel]

speed calc

[old mural]

speed for bursts ?

[shell hazel]

1RL = the time it takes for a rocket launcher nikke to shoot one rocket

if you watch anis for example shooting her rockets, each shot is 1RL

[old mural]

i see, so esentially more rl = more energy

[shell hazel]

or less RL in this instance

it's like a golf handicap

2RL is very fast, 3RL medium, 4RL slow etc

[old mural]

oh yeah that makes sense

less rl = less time to shoot = more shots = more energy

so more bursts in pvp must mean a higher chance to win

i think i understand something now

[shell hazel]

yes

main dps like scarlet black shadow or ada usually have low gen, actually alice is amongst the lowest lol

some exceptions like helm treasure who has the most burst gen in the game outside of maybe emilia

[shell hazel]

elysion looks good, make sure it's the fire vesti not the water one

[old mural]

so good units in this mode do decent damage and have insane battery capabilities

[shell hazel]

drop maxwell out of the missilis list if there is someone better

[shell hazel]

yes also nice thing about helm treasure is she is also pve meta 😄

if you can build for both pve and pvp it's a win imo

[old mural]

yes i saw that in a teir list

[old mural]

who should i replace maxwell with ?

[shell hazel]

who are you missing? it should show

[old mural]

and i confirmed it , it is the fire vesti

[shell hazel]

tia also could be dropped for now

I have mine barely use her lol

generally i'll collect all in the end if I can but priorities

[old mural]

yuni julia centi

wait i should add centi right?

[shell hazel]

ok just swap maxwell for centi

that's fine for that one

tetra has more of the interesting pvp units tbh

[old mural]

okie

[gaunt pulsar]

true, i switched tia for jackal since like ch22 or even earlier in campaign

[old mural]

done

[shell hazel]

for tetra rouge is pve meta so keep in, and blanc can be used in both

[old mural]

i will tell which ones i don't have in tetra

[shell hazel]

we could skip volume for time being and only keep dolla here if waifu or you going for MLB for 160 wall

[old mural]

okie

[old mural]

who should i replace volume with

[shell hazel]

see who is missing

[old mural]

wait lemme check the teir list you sent

[shell hazel]

if you say who is not there I can advise

[old mural]

i don't have biscuit and rosana

[shell hazel]

biscuit is very useful, rosanna good but expensive/later unit

swap volume for biscuit

[old mural]

okie

[umbral belfry]

lock in

[old mural]

done

[shell hazel]

and then you can decide on dolla if you want to keep for MLB/waifu or swap dolla for a ros

even if you had ros right now she's like a months down the line type thing to even consider building on

[old mural]

alright so i will just keep dolla for now then

[shell hazel]

yeah do get one at some point

[old mural]

helps me get past the 160 wall

[shell hazel]

yes

[old mural]

okie

[shell hazel]

your pilgrim list is good except we do eventually want a noah for pvp

but it's hard to say to remove any of the 5 you have for her

[old mural]

yes i was thinking about removing someone for noah

[shell hazel]

only maybe RH if you think you can get her on the banner re-runs in a few days

the rest I'd say no, should keep for your pve

[old mural]

okie if i get lucky and get nayuta redhood and the other pilgrim i will slot in noah

[shell hazel]

if you luck into any of the 5 shown you can also swap her in as next priority, I think it's worth having a single Noah

[old mural]

okie

[shell hazel]

but not over say Rapi or Siren or Crown 😛

[covert lintel]

Not enough firepower
I should roll more atk on vesti

[old mural]

meaning i should slot them out later? if i do not get them for long

[shell hazel]

nah keep in until you get

[old mural]

okie

[shell hazel]

eventually you'll fill in gaps, once you have 1-2 more missing ones you can put noah there

or if you want Noah > RH then you could swap, the other 4 I wouldn't

frankly hard to sell that one though 😄

[old mural]

also i wanted to ask , if i do not end up getting red hood this anni can i skip using tickets on her for rapi?

[shell hazel]

you have a 1/1000 chance of rapi appearing on the ordinary wishlist

as f2p that is a big nope for me lol

[old mural]

yeah that is not happening

[shell hazel]

1/200 pilgrim, 1/5 pilgrim if one rolls

so 1/1000

units will just kind of appear when you least expect them to

[old mural]

only candidate to swapped rn in rd and that too if anni goes well

[shell hazel]

yeah, how much gold mileage you got?

[old mural]

my first pilgrim appeared on B.ade banner grave

[keen vapor]

Poli's Shield seems to freeze Siren stun or something like that

[old mural]

rn it is 285 milegae with 3k gems saved

my dumbass wrote 35k my bad

[shell hazel]

ok not too bad

oh lol that is less good.. 😄

[old mural]

[shell hazel]

don't use gems on the ordinary banners btw, only kind of maybe with the daily 150 but I never had luck with those

[old mural]

all those pulls on jill banner are hurting

[keen vapor]

Trust in free 100 pulls

[shell hazel]

we'll get this on anni over the events

[old mural]

i use only the 150 one , it's just that my luck has been ass lately

[shell hazel]

yeah I did that for a while and never got any SSR even lol

[keen vapor]

Golshi

[shell hazel]

realistically you can get to maybe 400 mileage then by the time anni is nearly over, maybe a little more

[old mural]

i hope all my luck defeciet goes away in the anni

[shell hazel]

if your pulls fail, 200 mileage for nayuta and liberalio each is likely the best play

[old mural]

alright

[shell hazel]

if you pull one of them with tickets/free pulls then 200 additional maybe for the RH single copy

RH is great but she's kind of old now and doesn't get as much use, maybe even less still with the new units

[old mural]

will spending them on rh be better or saving for rapi ?

[shell hazel]

by the time we get new years you can probably get another 200

[old mural]

that's pretty good

but even then i am kinda screwed because they have annis

[shell hazel]

but maybe that is skewed in my head as I spend a bit on the basic packs 😄

[old mural]

i can only say

"Nah I'd Win"

[shell hazel]

yeah true, I don't think RH is 100% necessary anymore though yes nice to have for sure

so you can take that into consideration for how you spend the mileage

[old mural]

okie then i will keep this in my minf

i have decided to pull on rh banner but not use mileage. i can save it and probably save enough for both annis overspec or rapi

how does that sound

[shell hazel]

yeah we should get new 1% unit at new years and potential rapi re-run

if I had to pick between rapi or RH and couldn't get both - then my answer is Rapi

I don't know 100% they'll re-run rapi but they should do?

[gaunt pulsar]

pull on rh banner with free daily pulls until closing days and then decide

[old mural]

okie so i wil try to get lucky with rh. absolutely get nayuta . wait on kit info for liberio and decide then. if i am very unlucky i will still not spend mileage on rh in hopes of rapi and probably annis on anni

[spare nimbus]

is 60.71% ammo in scar fine to avoid siren stun?

[old mural]

alright

[spare nimbus]

or do i need a lower ammo roll

[shell hazel]

believe 60.71% is perfect and about the most it can be

check in shooting range or w/e that your scar is at 32 ammo or less, 31 or less is ideal

[old mural]

oh man big stuff coming up , i will ask here again on anni and then decide my moves . there is time before i use mileage ig

[gaunt pulsar]

i don't think she is worth spending mileage, she definitely worth spending on some pulls, but it all would depend on how much pulls you will have left after Nayuta/Liberalio, what you have by that time, and if you wanna keep saving for new year

[wild hemlock]

@valid inlet Ok maybe I won't say my predictions in chat cause I'm always wrong yet all the predictions I didn't put in chat were correct . I actually have no clue how your mihara died? Like did blanc get target skipped or something I don't understand why though

[shell hazel]

yeah I mean pull for nayuta and play the other ones to the end of free pulls is the best advice I think

in general pulling on 1% banners is rough but you may get lucky and you need the mileage anyway

[old mural]

i undertsand it thanks

[keen vapor]

Daily free pulls

[old mural]

can i drag nayuta banners till the last days too ? i will spending mileage by the last date right?

[shell hazel]

you can yes

[keen vapor]

Ig newbie won't care about Solo Raid

[old mural]

okie

[shell hazel]

it depends if you want to get her to just push on with campaign bits or not

[spare nimbus]

yup 👍 32 ammo

[old mural]

good thing is a lot of campaign is still untouched so if i go full grind mode i can posiibly pull it off

also if i get a pilgrim mold i should save it right?

[onyx scaffold]

so stingy. it should give 220 pulls to be considered generous

[shell hazel]

I think 32 ammo is perfect to avoid the stun with

[shell hazel]

imo yes - save until after new years ones get added - it's more potential good pilgrims in the pool

[spare nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1315285264947613726/1432047829299232808/ScreenRecording_10-26-2025_12-45-57_1.mov?ex=68ffa1f8&is=68fe5078&hm=715443c32fa1193564116dff0bd32dd9e7b9d6f052f22a0222e64292511f4c26& seems it is good then

[old mural]

okie i wil save the mold

[spare nimbus]

no one in my sp had siren on their team 💀

rookie*

can soda actually even kill anybody with her burst

[old mural]

thank you so much man ! i got a lot of info today thank you very much for your time and patience! @shell hazel

[gaunt pulsar]

at level 10 you probably will chip someone for like 20%-30% at max with that 321% and I think i'm giving her too much credit there

[spare nimbus]

LOL time to get 58% attack rolls on her 💀

[umbral crown]

Heard you need 33 or lesw

[umbral crown]

Crit also

[spare nimbus]

My scar really needs more lines for cp padding bruh

I would like to reroll but i desperately need more rocks for nayuta and liberalio ☹️

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Pve moment

[spare nimbus]

Lol hopefully nayuta can nuke a team with her b2 💀

[umbral crown]

Inagine

[spare nimbus]

2.5 RL nayuta wins vs 2RL scar 💀

Well depending on cs ig

[umbral crown]

New meta

[spare nimbus]

Besti+nayuta=unbeatable

[umbral crown]

And CA most scars are without jackal

[spare nimbus]

Bro i lost to nero moran with my scar rh jackal 💀

[cunning crown]

[spare nimbus]

This match is why i decided to reroll scar 💀

[spare nimbus]

Left wins I think

Wait no

Siren isn’t taunted

[umbral crown]

They must have high cs

[cunning crown]

[spare nimbus]

I mean I do as well

16% is my lowest amont trina centi jackal

[umbral crown]

Right cuz noah stuns

[umbral crown]

Bursting with moran before scar b3 lower your chances but still...

[spare nimbus]

Watch that guy have 25% cs on all of em 💀

[umbral crown]

Anything can happen

[spare nimbus]

I mean he really only needs 25% on helm

[obsidian tangle]

what bay team can counter Scarlet + Rosana team? 2rl

[spare nimbus]

You can try noise bay helm xmaiden laplace

Helm will probably die unless u get lucky by xmaiden will finish the job

Is rosanna in p2?

Or p3-4

[obsidian tangle]

p4 I believe

can't check now

[spare nimbus]

Then it will hit laplace

But laplace won’t die anyway

Is this sp or rookie?

[obsidian tangle]

SP

[spare nimbus]

What are the other teams u are fighting?

[obsidian tangle]

I have no way of showing it now because I already beat the person it was 2-1, but I was wondering If I could 3-0 next time

[spare nimbus]

I see

[obsidian tangle]

sec I think I posted it before here

@spare nimbus

this was my old teams I move Noah to the second team and managed to beat Vesti team with this:

but now I can't beat the Scarlet team 🫠

[covert lintel]

You stacked all important nikke in 1 team

[swift mango]

@mystic rain you guessed righr bro, I lost. Not that I care though.

Aha lost his chance to get revenge though.

[obsidian tangle]

if you know another way of beating that vesti team 😄

[covert lintel]

can't win anymore

[spare nimbus]

this will likely 3/3

[swift mango]

I don't event care about Nikke much these days.

[spare nimbus]

you can also swap mihara for someone like naga

[shell hazel]

if scar team is 2RL you should just need 2RL with noah or bay

[shell hazel]

too busy with with the husbando games? 😄

[obsidian tangle]

I'll give it a try next time ty 🙂

[shell hazel]

you can pregnant man react that if you want, as it's where you're heading with LADS anyway

[spare nimbus]

how much cs do u have on rumani btw?

[obsidian tangle]

5.2%

[spare nimbus]

i would use naga then

instead of mihara

[obsidian tangle]

alright

[swift mango]

I came back to Yu-Gi-Oh on master duel to be reminded of how boring it had became after 5 days.

Now I thinks I would start either MTG or Pokemon because they said those are more balanced a game but I never got around to start them. Anyone have experience with them?

[shell hazel]

did you try out chaos zero nightmare yet?

[swift mango]

What's is that? You mean a game or Yu-Gi-Oh deck?

[shell hazel]

https://chaoszeronightmare.onstove.com/en - just launched the other day

deck building gacha with slay the spire/roguelite game

[spare nimbus]

either one of these should work as well

[shell hazel]

am enjoying it though not super hardcore on it

it's pve only

[spare nimbus]

besti can probably kill scar before she even bursts due to not even having a jackal link

[swift mango]

Well, basically just another gacha I bet.

[shell hazel]

the chaos memory thing is quite unique, though otherwise yet it's gacha

[swift mango]

Then I already have Nikke arena.

[shell hazel]

still you're otherwise playing pokemon or yu-gi-oh, not exactly revolutionary are they?

just riding old formats/ip for the most part

[swift mango]

MTG though. They have online game as well.

[shell hazel]

pay 2 win prob

at least this you can f2p I think - it seems so far anyway

early yet but the 4 * units are pretty usable

[unique wagon]

Guys how good is Mana actually in PvP

I only want REALISTIC answers

[spare nimbus]

Wait can p5 siren stun 32 ammo scar?

[spare nimbus]

Shes good to have in a nero moran helm team

[shell hazel]

no one runs her

[spare nimbus]

But that’s about it

And even then only in CA

[shell hazel]

even nero/moran teams prefer lapT or xmaiden in CA

also s.anis still too high on your rank list ;D

no one runs her either, so she's down lower than the current even after the drop, she has situational use only on crafted attack teams

[unique wagon]

Isnt she SS now

nu uh we are not droppng that

[shell hazel]

Ada and S.Anis should both be in S tier

no one really uses Ada seriously

S.anis I see in one of out of like 50 teams maybe

[unique wagon]

Gatrix said SS so I put SS

[shell hazel]

well Gatrix is wrong in my view 😄

[unique wagon]

I guess thats because the units in S are shit

[shell hazel]

they're probably High S tier but not SS

just look at CA representation, which is a mode where some random stuff still gets run due to necessity

and they don't appear there, tells you all you need to know

[swift mango]

Well, I just checked and MTG arena is more about pay to learn. If you are good at it you could make one competitive deck with starting resource and win against paying players just fine. No cards are locked behind pay wall, just huge grind. And if you have a full deck there is no difference between whale and F2P.

[spare nimbus]

Wasnt there a crown jackal biscuit team that some people ran in early CA?

I forgot what the other units were

[shell hazel]

first few seasons were very learny

a lot of random comps flying about

[spare nimbus]

First season was the best chance to win because everyone put their best comps in the first 3 teams and the last 2 were just sg and cp teams 😭

[shell hazel]

yeah the cp pad was real in season 1 + 2 😄

[spare nimbus]

Probably cause some people thought that the order would be randomized as well

[shell hazel]

well the list can be wrong and get mocked here constantly. otherwise I advise @full dew to say why S.anis is so high up

it misleads people into thinking she is better than she is, she only has niche use and none of the meta comps run her in CA now, so she's S tier

[swift mango]

No

[spare nimbus]

Liar (I was one of them and got my butt whooped 💀)

[shell hazel]

largely I don't disagree with the pvp tier list on prydwen, but this was massively wrong when s.anis was SSS tier for so long, and she needed 2 rank drops not 1

s.anis main use these days is elec comp buffer, so you can argue dual purpose for building

[spare nimbus]

Fr, her being a shotgun should already be dropping her a rank due to being able to feed enemy in current meta

[swift mango]

Yeah, not in any competitive sense at least.

There was Noise Crown Cindy which I and some people used. It worked because we thought we need high CP and that was at least half decent and didn't use up Jackal

[spare nimbus]

Running a shotgun in ur defense is essentially giving ur opponent a free win with jackal scar lol

[glad glade]

If you’re SGs strong enough they can murder jackal even with the link

[shell hazel]

I don't have perfect collection of CA data across brackets but it's incredibly rare for me to see her appear, and when she does, it's ... underwhelming

[shell hazel]

problem is you run into good 2RL comps, or biscuit locked defenders/scar counters too often

I've seen SG comps practically kill themselves on it 😄

[spare nimbus]

What hippo said lol

I was typing that same thing out 💀

[glad glade]

https://youtu.be/a_jb5Rj9Vws?si=cYM1XQmHtUjtbkph

[glad glade]

Biscuit is the obvious counter. There’s only like, one time I’ve seen SGs beat her

[swift mango]

If you are strong enough you can murder them with blue units

[glad glade]

Wait wrong video

Sorry. Hang on

[shell hazel]

sg comp has a fairly moderate win rate but everyone runs it because it frees up your units for other teams

though even saying that S.anis is not among them

so again - s.anis - mid? 😄

[spare nimbus]

Yez very mid

[glad glade]

https://youtu.be/KSAe-yLX60g?si=x0-IpxL5t4CkRvDj

[spare nimbus]

Really only useful when attacking

[glad glade]

Agreed

[shell hazel]

I don't think she's bad just you need to know when to use her

it's like with Bay - she's good when you know what you're facing

she's bad in other areas of pvp when you have unknowns

[swift mango]

SG lose against any Jackal+Blanc team with a B3 Defender/Supporter in the middle.

No matter how strong they are.

[spare nimbus]

You could probably also just scar rosanna

[swift mango]

SG+Rosa with Blanc also murder SG without Blanc.

Not to mention a biscuit. Or Cindy p5.

Makima also exist in higher bracket

Too many counters

[gaunt pulsar]

or moran instead of nero at p1 p5 also seen it more often win against sg, nero has less chances

[worldly osprey]

both times i used ada, i lost early

[fast skiff]

who wins octavian vs m01

[swift mango]

[unique wagon]

because the good units are already in SSS?

you are rating units based on CA

[shell hazel]

no I'm not lol

[swift mango]

It's SS below.

[shell hazel]

CA is just where most of the usable units get to, and those may be SS as a result

[unique wagon]

And if u dont have those units?

[shell hazel]

but s.anis - you can try to justify it but I don't think many here will back it up

[spare nimbus]

I for one vouch that sanis is now MID

[shell hazel]

isn't this true for all units though

[shell hazel]

the tier list doesn't take into account that you lack other units, that is the point of the tier list, it's how good the unit is, and assumes most people have most units

[swift mango]

I mean, Soda is C tier in your list while some unusable units at B above.

[unique wagon]

Then convince Gatrix

[shell hazel]

we don't need to

it's prydwen/gatrix concern

[unique wagon]

B she is B

[shell hazel]

the tier list can just be wrong and get evaluated as such here when people ask about it

[swift mango]

Okay, let us move on to your A list.

[shell hazel]

or they can actually try to make it accurate and maybe people won't dunk on it so much 😄

[spare nimbus]

Soda being b tier is genuinely insane

[unique wagon]

Rmb we dont care about CA (mostly)

that game mode should have never existed

[onyx scaffold]

S.Anis one out of 50
Ein one out of 100
=> S.Anis being higher tier than Ein makes sense

[shell hazel]

no one runs s.anis in SPA either though so ??

[unique wagon]

its still a sloppy piece of sheet

[swift mango]

I mean how is Yan in any dimensions to compare with Soda even in SpA/Rookie meta?

[shell hazel]

soda gets more use than s.anis

because you can rng the scar team to bamboozle your opponents

• tier

[spare nimbus]

Fr that’s what I do

[unique wagon]

wdym Yan. is it for charge speed

[spare nimbus]

It made a guy waste 6 attempts on me 💀

[onyx scaffold]

it is not how a tier list should works.
SS tier means if you don't have SSS options, u can use SS options

[shell hazel]

soda tier ++

[shell hazel]

normally yes - we don't have too many alt options here

[unique wagon]

Soda is only used in one team so far

[swift mango]

Nah, no one use Yan for CS these days. Too slow. It's would be fine if it was 2-3 years ago.

[shell hazel]

burst gen / usefulness of jackal/rumani is too high, you lack those not like any other b1 comes close to their burst ge

[unique wagon]

Then Yan is in D tier wdym

[swift mango]

Soda+Cindy is also viable. Much more than Yan Cindy.

[unique wagon]

WHO USES YAN?

The tier list has Yan at D ure blind af

[swift mango]

Your tier list.

[unique wagon]

Ok ure verified blind.

[swift mango]

Last I checked Yan was 1 tier higher than Soda.

[covert lintel]

Are these 2 guys cheating?

[unique wagon]

This is Yan. Nothing has been higher than D since 1 year ago. Idk what hallucinations you came up with. At least Hippos still know the tier list.

[shell hazel]

no totally legit

[onyx scaffold]

good gaming chair

[shell hazel]

the best gaming chair

[spare nimbus]

Good gaming chair

[shell hazel]

finest leather only

[swift mango]

Guess it fixed after I bashed about it 1-2 months ago.

[unique wagon]

If you want to put words in our mouth, go ahead. You mistyped our Soda and Yan in a row. Soda was updated when CA was released btw to B.

The PvP tier list hasn't been touched since Vesti release. And that only moved Vesti and SAnis.

I am infuriated right now.

[placid bloom]

why you need tier list, just read the kits

[unique wagon]

That's true.

This channel doesn't need tier list anyway.

[shell hazel]

no but it helps new people know what to go for

[swift mango]

Okay, my bad.

Let's move on to How TOVE is tier A. Then.

[spare nimbus]

We don’t need a guide for skill level either

Just 10/10/10 everyone 💀

[shell hazel]

I used it earlier but had to leave out certain units like s.anis 😄

[covert lintel]

[shell hazel]

either prydwen can care about being reasonably accurate with the tier list or it can put s.anis a tier higher because waifu?

[spare nimbus]

Who needs a guide for pvp just 💳 like crazy

Best team is a cp team

[shell hazel]

credit card: SSSSS tier

[unique wagon]

I think people just never used her. Gatrix probably tried.

And that is equal to Pepper, which is not good already anw.

[spare nimbus]

Yes tove is MUCH more useful than soda in pvp

[swift mango]

Nah they used her tons and just lose.
I saw them lots.

[unique wagon]

Tove Treasure?

or Tove.

[swift mango]

Yes. Why else the used her?

[unique wagon]

Vids?

[spare nimbus]

Tove is only useful for sg team really and the whole reason u have soda in b tier is because she is also only useful for a few comps

[shell hazel]

I've seen Tove precisely 0 times in any pvp team

rookie/spa/ca

[hollow lagoon]

tove in pvp would be wild

[gaunt pulsar]

she is not, newbie players believe she is , but she does nothing for that team and only makes it slower, people try though

[tropic summit]

oh that has potential indeed

[swift mango]

It's just a trash SG teams, who care to save video when it lose to virtually anything?

[spare nimbus]

😭

[unique wagon]

You guys are just overrating the tier list.

[hollow lagoon]

soda is actaully strong, my 7/7/7 soda and 7/7/7 drake does similar damage on ele neutural against boss

[unique wagon]

As in you are treating A as S instead of B.

[shell hazel]

or maybe it's just somewhat wrong? 😄

[unique wagon]

No, it's because you are only reading by the letter, not comparing.

[shell hazel]

the units next to ada/s.anis are a tier above her

so no - it's wrong

[unique wagon]

We had similar impressions as you guys exactly when we updated Bossing.

Now people agree with it more.

[hollow lagoon]

oh list got updated again?

[shell hazel]

well the mob speaks with actual usage - no one is using ada/s.anis to any serious capacity in any pvp mode

[swift mango]

Now let's move on to S list. Maid anchor only boost HP healing in Moran team to very high research gap whale over common pleb. How is she S tier? Is this a whale tier list? But it's also CA centric to even use Maid anchor, which case Soda should be SS+.

[shell hazel]

you can freestyle more in pve

[unique wagon]

That's because S is shit, SS is usable alternative, and SSS is good omega broken tier you must have in PvP tier list?

[spare nimbus]

Ada is just recency bias and sanis is nostalgia bias

[unique wagon]

You are treating the tier list as S must be usable alternative, SS must be good, and SSS must be the goodest of the good.

[shell hazel]

from my part I don't need to justify it. the usage rates speak for themselves

[hollow lagoon]

how is phantom not higher, that def reduction is effectively similar to damage buff no? kekekek

[shell hazel]

I'll just have to view it as whoever wrote the prydwen list not being right

[unique wagon]

Yes, from my part, you guys are just reading by the letter, not comparing and actually looking at tier list.

[spare nimbus]

So why is rumani not sss tier? She is a clip rl defender who can be used in literally EVERY comp.

[placid bloom]

all I will say is my Blanc Rapi is my only team that has 100% win rate this CA you can use anything if your opponents don't play around it

[unique wagon]

Because not having Jackal fks you more than not having Rumani?

[shell hazel]

rumani and jackal have no peers in b1 pvp usage despite rumani kit being basic compared to jackal

[unique wagon]

Rumani is NOT better than Jackal.

Rumani cannot be in the same tier as Jackal.

[onyx scaffold]

she is not that good if u dont have biscuit

[unique wagon]

Presence/usage rate is NOT the only thing that matters in tier list.

[onyx scaffold]

but yeah tier list is about making comparison
if rumani is not as good as jackal, she should be put a tier lower

[unique wagon]

If you want that, just observe yourself ig.

[shell hazel]

she's SSS tier behind jackal as jackal is rumani but better

[onyx scaffold]

it is like volume had 100% usage in 2023/2024 solo raid
but she was never deserved SS tier for boss fight

[spare nimbus]

Rumani apparently is same rating as sanis then

[unique wagon]

You are saying she is better than Blanc?

[unique wagon]

B1 B2 B3 have never been equal.

[shell hazel]

you have to take each burst phase on it's own somewhat

we have exactly 2 good clip RL for b1 - jackal and rumani

[unique wagon]

Yes, but not having Blanc fks you more than not having Rumani, speaking of Sp.

Remember CA is a useless game mode anyway.

People who play CA don't need tier list.

[hollow lagoon]

volume S tier for bossing wot, dorothy surely does better than volume, last raid on gluttony i tried rapi and dorothy b1 in a general comp and i barely lost damage with dorothy comp, and my dorothy has less invest

[shell hazel]

you don't necessarily need either for SPA though, good blanc comps are less common now

[unique wagon]

Either you haven't played PvE, or Idk.

[swift mango]

Well, not that I was to argue more about the tier placement but. This is for your comment.

[spare nimbus]

The only time i really find myself using blanc is in my blanc mihara cindy biscuit rumani comp now

[unique wagon]

Dorothy has zero use rate in the last like 10 raids.

[unique wagon]

Because the units above S are actually usable if you miss anything better?

[swift mango]

I thought you mean S.doro for a good 2 seconds there.

[hollow lagoon]

over volume tho?

[shell hazel]

vesti indom maybe a bit more usage as well

[unique wagon]

Yes, Volume beats Dorothy in usage now. People alr reset Dorothy.

[shell hazel]

I love my blanc but you do need to be picky where you throw her

I do know that ada and s.anis don't belong on the same row as lapT though 😄

[swift mango]

And pepper in "garbage tier A" isn't?

[shell hazel]

unlike the prydwen tier list writer

[placid bloom]

well in the end who is tier list for? It's for new players. I can guarantee 0 new players have the luxury to be building chars like SW with how little content she covers

[hollow lagoon]

ada on ss?

[unique wagon]

Yes, Pepper is "Garbage" Tier A. Unless you know what you're doing. If you know what you're doing, B tier units can work.

[hollow lagoon]

ada on same tier as trina....... ok

[swift mango]

Midhara is pretty much Meta is both CA and SpA. But she is also garbage tier A.

[shell hazel]

I saw one person show an ada video here btw - when she released, and she could one shot some units

[placid bloom]

if you are old enough to be familiar with the game you are building everyone already and tier list doesn't matter anymore, it's just a matter of swapping char in and out

[shell hazel]

compare to how much cool stuff we had with vesti

one single video showcasing an actual ada usage case

[unique wagon]

Because someone without brain wouldn't use her. She is hard to use outside CA esp. on Defense.

Snake also pointed out the tier list is biased toward Defense.

[shell hazel]

I dunno she is usable if you run slow cindy on def

[hollow lagoon]

idk mihara should belong with sbs tier

[swift mango]

Tier list start taking into account brain now.

[unique wagon]

Because on Attack, you can do whatever you want.

[spare nimbus]

Bro using blanc mihara is a guaranteed win against a majority of defense comps

[unique wagon]

Tier list is useless for Attack.

The tier list is pretty much defense Tier List at this point.

[shell hazel]

but for me it's just up to the prydwen if they want to continue to post misleading tier lists

not like we get paid to persuade them otherwise

[unique wagon]

Although recently it's shifting back to Neutral cus Gatrix took over.

[spare nimbus]

Then why is sanis still here?

[hollow lagoon]

i wouldent say misleading tierlists, just more biased

[unique wagon]

Because SAnis is still a usable alternative?

[shell hazel]

most of it's fine, some inconsistencies like s.anis

but we point it out and get told we're wrong

[unique wagon]

You are not seeing SAnis anymore.

[swift mango]

Midhara is mostly use for def team though. It has surprised element. Especially before Vesti. Which your tier list didn't change from.

[shell hazel]

not that it will get looked at or anything

[unique wagon]

Because TVesti broke her spot (again).

[hollow lagoon]

how is tove treasure A tier on pvp list

who actualyl use her

[unique wagon]

It's not that she became worse. Just that her place got taken by Vesti.

[spare nimbus]

Bro what? Your B tier is listed as also a usable alternative

[shell hazel]

I've never seen tove

[unique wagon]

Before Vesti was here, SAnis was used.

[shell hazel]

on any team, CA, SPA, rookie

[hollow lagoon]

if going by usage rates how does mihara OS and Tove on the same tier

[shell hazel]

she was too high even before vesti

[shell hazel]

vesti just knocked her down another rung

[swift mango]

I have seen to Tove 3-4 times in CA they are a loss cause though.

[hollow lagoon]

how is tove treasure higehr tier than Xmica

[swift mango]

And one in SpA by a whale to CP press lower guys.

[unique wagon]

She was SSS before Vesti. I disagreed with that and she should have been SS, but Snake never approved it until Gatrix said let's drop her to SS and Snake gave up.

[swift mango]

[placid bloom]

if we are going by blind win rate Soda should have fairly high win rate she is only used on one team sure but so is Rapunzel

[unique wagon]

Soda does have a high win rate. If you have brain. Normal people who don't know how to use her will just lose with her.

[hollow lagoon]

if going by win rate Xmica shouldent be on same tier as crown/julia/kilo lel

[unique wagon]

Feeds, no burst gen.

[lusty gull]

[unique wagon]

WHO needs the tier list is what matters.

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

soda has just the one comp she works on really but it's not a bad one

[unique wagon]

You guys don't need tier list.

The tier list was never meant to be for you.

[swift mango]

MG and Mag RL aren't really different tbh.

[shell hazel]

we do though when we get new people to wishlist units or w/e

[onyx scaffold]

you guys need to put yourself in the newbies' shoes who want to know what to invest for PvP

[hollow lagoon]

how is SSakura on same tier as Mihara

[shell hazel]

I am which is why s.anis being high is concerning me 😄

because new people will think she is better than she is

and many did get her in the re-runs lately

[unique wagon]

So a beginner would pick Soda over Pepper in PvP?

[onyx scaffold]

How bad is she in SpA?

[hollow lagoon]

yes

[spare nimbus]

yes

[shell hazel]

bad

[hollow lagoon]

soda is atleast a aoe nuke+gen

[unique wagon]

Which is the yes answering to.

[shell hazel]

people can just abuse your s.anis

[spare nimbus]

This

[swift mango]

I definitely won't recommend newbie who main Arena to invest Tove instead of Soda.

Even Siren is worse than Soda now after every have units invested. But at least Siren is mandatory for Campaign.

[unique wagon]

Then, you are not a beginner.

Are you?

[spare nimbus]

Yes as you can see i am silver

[shell hazel]

even beginner won't do better with tove in pvp than soda though

[hollow lagoon]

so the list is to mislead beginners? oh i see u guys are doing us a favor

[unique wagon]

No.

Pepper would be better for beginners than Soda.

[hollow lagoon]

i apperciate it

[onyx scaffold]

I agree Prydwen pvp tier sucks ass yeah
Just wanna remind ppl how a tierlist works

[shell hazel]

pepper is meh CA use unit at best

[hollow lagoon]

in what universe would begineers invest peper instead of soda

[spare nimbus]

Why exactly? Both feed opponent? But soda at least has a useful burst skill

[unique wagon]

Invest? Both don't need invest.

[shell hazel]

[lusty gull]

[unique wagon]

Pepper has more burst gen and better auto attack dmg?

[shell hazel]

soda has more use in general pvp than pepper

[unique wagon]

You know how squishy enemies are at sync 200 and below?

[swift mango]

Prydwen tier list work fine overall. Just some questionable placements are all.

[shell hazel]

at least soda can rng stun stuff

[unique wagon]

One shot and they're dead.

[onyx scaffold]

Pepper can be used in some cases
Soda can only be used in one specific team

[unique wagon]

I rmb at sync 400, Pepper + Noir killed my Jackal.

No Tempering back then.

Both have high invest probably ELE and ATK.

These were the first Pepper and Noir to have ever killed my Jackal face on.

At your syncs of 600+, and with Doll 15, Tempers, this probably isn't feasible anymore.

[onyx scaffold]

soda usage has been rising thank to trina

I dont even rmb she had usgae back then.

Keripo doesn't put her in tierlist 😂

[unique wagon]

Keripo has never agreed with our tier list even 1-2 years ago. Why? Cus he whaled his way to 800.

[swift mango]

Well, at synch 400 in CA now the top whale in SEA using Pepper in his Scarlet team to one shot stuff. You aren't too far off.

[spare nimbus]

Yeah because meta changes which means ur tier lost should also change due to meta, pepper should be lowered and soda should be higher

[unique wagon]

The same guy was the one who glorified Mana too.

[shell hazel]

mana isn't bad she just doesn't have much room to get use

[spare nimbus]

And I still don’t even understand the purpose of tove being there

[shell hazel]

so better options

[unique wagon]

Because Mana worked for him at sync 800 but not for 99% of the playerbase?

[onyx scaffold]

JP cooking

[shell hazel]

it's hard for people who whale sync to truly see how something works, though CA equalises things somewhat

[onyx scaffold]

Mana works for people in CA too but it is a blind format compared to SpA

[spare nimbus]

Uh 💀

[mystic rain]

dw i also lost mine

[hollow lagoon]

idk but noir and ein in same tier as rh lel

[unique wagon]

What is this

[mystic rain]

loesrs club XDDDD

[onyx scaffold]

PvP tierlist for CA

[swift mango]

All units at least usable. Unlike Tove in Prydwen.

[shell hazel]

she can work but I see her a lot less now, only zanta still runs ;D

[umbral belfry]

[unique wagon]

Usable: Lets put Rumani in D tier.

[onyx scaffold]

Because ppl copy winners

[unique wagon]

Oh what now u go back on ur words. U said Rumani is JACKAL tier.

[hollow lagoon]

looks like jp didnt experience slow cindy yet

[shell hazel]

I actually think the tier list should be aimed at SPA PVP

[swift mango]

Ada is very questionable ofc. I haven't really seen use at all.

Idk how to put my Ada in my CA teams even.

So recent bias is real.

[onyx scaffold]

JP ppl cooks Noise Noah Cindy Jackal Laplace a lot

[unique wagon]

Ein is ofc better but they have different "skills".

[shell hazel]

most people competing in SPA

rookie = who cares
CA = top 4 only lol

note on tier list: SPA focus

[unique wagon]

The units in A are worse than Noir (execpt Quiry).

[hollow lagoon]

my other choice is laplace, and if i had a extra quantum slot i would make 2rl, but i dont and slot mana gives me sand 2.5 rl

[swift mango]

That's how Tove Tier A in Prydwen. Because she is PvE investment so whale could use her to CP press their way to CA.

Rapipi should be A tier too

[onyx scaffold]

Tier list is actually for ppl who don't read kits
They want a quick/instant judgement

People who care about pvp in CA should at least read

[shell hazel]

lapT works so well here, at least in the current meta

[fervent wadi]

does this mean my team can resist siren stun? (first time using this)

[swift mango]

S tier even

[unique wagon]

It's always been SpA with a mix of CA (Moran Nero, etc).

[shell hazel]

yes hence SPA focus should be the main thing

but even saying that, soda > tove

[swift mango]

Yeah, Rapipi should be S tier at least.

[hollow lagoon]

yeah but that mana saved me last matchup by rezzing noah who died to vesti so here we are

[swift mango]

At least she is somewhat useful for a CP pad.

[shell hazel]

no one uses tove in any mode, I'd run soda in my SPA if I had her built enough 😄

[unique wagon]

Nah. She's only worked against one specific enemy comp pattern.

[umbral belfry]

yes

noah will still be stunned but it's after she already bursted

[shell hazel]

rapi indom is good anti-indom on attack mainly

[unique wagon]

Yes because she is MG.

[shell hazel]

you'd not run rapi on def

[unique wagon]

On Attack only is a biggest reduction in tier.

[swift mango]

Better than Tove working on nothing. And more important PvE investment than Tove ever be. So she need to be S-SS tier if Tove A.

[placid bloom]

I run Rapi on my SPA def

[onyx scaffold]

Why do u and others keep mentioning tove lmao
Even Kisenix admitted it was wrong by constantly talking about someone else.

[hollow lagoon]

tov pve investment? my tove dont even got pink gear

[placid bloom]

my SPA is monkeys

[mystic rain]

do u also run crown on ur spa

[placid bloom]

nah they are not that monkey

[hollow lagoon]

i could run crown for my spa...?

[gaunt pulsar]

because she is in A in tierlist above liter and soda? when even they have more usage than useless tove

[shell hazel]

eh - if it's wrong it should be removed/changed 😄

I dare say we'll check in a week and it's still there

[hollow lagoon]

they prob update after nyuta is tested

[shell hazel]

silently mocking us

[slate falcon]

Can a comp like this work? @shell hazel

[onyx scaffold]

My goat @umbral crown does

[hollow lagoon]

if you are sufficiently gapped u can run pad teams anyway

[swift mango]

Really? Rosy invested in Crown now?
@umbral crown Oi, did you?

[shell hazel]

what anchor doing here?

[hollow lagoon]

sgteam b2?????

some sort of surivalbility b2

[slate falcon]

She all i got should I swap her for crown?

[hollow lagoon]

wait anchor on same tier as bay/xanne?

[onyx scaffold]

Impossible for now unless they hire new staff for pvp

The other guys @blissful willow is (pvp) washed
Only Gatrix cooking with niche shit like Ada

[shell hazel]

you're like 97% of 3RL

[onyx scaffold]

No but they suggested Crown to some ppl and it worked

[bleak marsh]

@jagged mesa already failed first cheer over here with the opponent only having 10% of the bets
I'm out for this season to study for my licensing exam trek on, soldier

[blissful willow]

Cmon man you really gotta do me and ping me

[shell hazel]

explain yourself

[hollow lagoon]

if nyuta have a stun then crown could be power crept

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/gjirlfriend-gif-14457952604098199169

[blissful willow]

Ill explain after the tl revamp

[slate falcon]

Who would work best?

[blissful willow]

[slate falcon]

Or which comp

[umbral belfry]

😭

[swift mango]

Okay. My bad.
@unique wagon
Idk, maybe I missed out. Later. Brain fog is real. Back to build my gusto deck in yugioh after they butcher it with all the usable power card banned.

[hollow lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946719897390563328/1418792414956490792/ezgif-311cbcb8f683d1.gif

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/bright-light-hand-gif-23599899

[blissful willow]

They killed PvP for me the day they released Champs arena 💔💔

[bleak marsh]

bruh (gender neutral), the CP deficit was high enough
legit first 6 hours was 100% to 0%

yet somehow, the underdog won 💀
i hate SPA

[umbral belfry]

you got cheer bamboozled

[blissful willow]

But dw I've started studying PvP again recently

Gimme a bit of time

[bleak marsh]

i feel that too, as a better

[hollow lagoon]

just hire @tropic summit

[bleak marsh]

i genuinely hope once beta season is over, it makes it easier to bet for casuals 💀

[shell hazel]

[umbral belfry]

once beta season is over

[swift mango]

Hard core raid player need every ATK then got from Tove since she uses her ATK to buff others.

[umbral crown]

kinda

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

I don't think railtracer would want to do it

[umbral crown]

after S30

[bleak marsh]

someone here said it would be 30 seasons and then it's good to go (???????)

[swift mango]

Sr15 5555 101010?

[onyx scaffold]

Or hire Rosy
So we can see Rosanna SSS tier as she deserves

[blissful willow]

It's not like i didn't share my thoughts and did it alone

I did take in feedback but everything was before champs was a thing

The real champs tier list will be whatever the next update will be

[umbral belfry]

[bleak marsh]

yes, this person

but idk what comes after season 30

[umbral crown]

not that much, just S1 lv10 for now

[umbral crown]

the real thing

[umbral belfry]

beta beta season begins

[shell hazel]

I think pvp tierlist should mainly cater for SPA

[bleak marsh]

same frames, easier bets
but i feel like SU would make it more :professional"

[swift mango]

Yeah, Rossanna is basically a must later on in both SpA and CA.

[shell hazel]

CA is extended stuff, often not needed by anyone not going for CA

[bleak marsh]

alpha season

[blissful willow]

Tbh I totally left champs arena after getting all the data I needed

And never bothered updating it

The way we defined things pre champs was pretty much whatever I thought 2.5 years ago

[shell hazel]

I mean as good as xanne is as flex b2 for my SG ros comp, no one is running xanne in SPA

[hollow lagoon]

oh man... you are right, but my poor 1 year old account have not the gear exp for this endavor

[hollow lagoon]

but people run bay?

[onyx scaffold]

Half ppl who go for CA dont give a fk
And a lot ppl who cannot AFFORD to give any fk lel

[bleak marsh]

@umbral belfry the person in my cheer bracket won with a T.Viper and no other burst II nikke

they lost that round, but won the others

[shell hazel]

right hence I think the main focus should be on SPA usefulness

[umbral belfry]

absolutely bamboozled

[onyx scaffold]

Zixk gone for reason

[shell hazel]

it's a mode everyone does + you can compress the units for rookie usefulness

[bleak marsh]

~~me hoping this player loses right after ~~

[blissful willow]

It should cater to everything PvP related, sp champs rookie whatever

It should make sense, and the way I think we should do it is the same way me and kise and gatrix ended up making the PvE tier lists

I like those ones a lot so I'm gonna try to bring that "philosophy" into PvP tier list

[jagged mesa]

🫡 godspeed

i didnt check my bet yet

[hollow lagoon]

i'm like the lasterson here that run's mana

[swift mango]

My bricked account don't have Tove invested even. Gotta invest in her after I reset Nero because I have no Rapu. And copium skill up her is just a waste.

[gaunt pulsar]

i do, but because i cannot build better teams due to not having enough units, sg team prob wouldn't exist in my SPA later, for newbies though still a good option

[bleak marsh]

i would legit rather pass boards than pass SPA for some frame

[hollow lagoon]

oh right the nero situation....

[bleak marsh]

i'll see you on the other side for the next SPA/third anniversary

[hollow lagoon]

do i reset my cat...

[shell hazel]

well right now the tier list values s.anis and units like tove/ada too highly, and @unique wagon is trying to say it's fine but I don't see how it can be

[blissful willow]

I'm not stupid I know the current TL for PvP is not good

But I also understand that it'll take effort and research to properly make the TL

You're welcome to share your own TLs with us or propose changes by annotating on screenshots

[umbral belfry]

it's me trust

[swift mango]

Nah the Rapu situation to me.

[hollow lagoon]

didnt have rapun this season i'm at 32,

[jagged mesa]

can u just do me a favor and win CA so i can follow my bets on you without thinking

thanks i appreciate it

[umbral belfry]

I'M TRYING???

[blissful willow]

Well it's whatever, we'll do what we can during Anni, bossing TL is fine but I guess we will be revamping story around a bit as well as a full PvP revamp is due

[swift mango]

Not like you need Rapu for CA but you need Rapu for Nero.

[hollow lagoon]

@umbral belfry still eating my meth income

[jagged mesa]

thanks i choked on my water

[umbral belfry]

[blissful willow]

Most of the reason as to why PvP tier list is a very low priority for us now is that basically no one actually plays PvP

[shell hazel]

@umbral belfry and @tropic summit eat most of my rocks. I just get fragments 🙁

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-kid-laugh-laughing-naughty-gif-16857180

[hollow lagoon]

does not bodewell

[blissful willow]

Compared to PvE, PvP feels like a joke so we spent a lot of time on fixing that first

But I think we're in a great position on our PvE stuff so PvP can get some attention

[onyx scaffold]

Snake: we will provide the best PvP tier list ever to you guys once CA stops being Beta 🗣️ 🔥

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/burger-eating-frieren-frieren-beyond-journey's-end-sousou-no-frieren-gif-13425073513713719938

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/daddys-home2-daddys-home2gifs-stop-it-stop-that-i-mean-it-gif-9694318

[bleak marsh]

imagine when the actual SPA starts, we can choose our groups though

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-girl-running-anime-running-running-love-live-gif-22710773

[bleak marsh]

SU take notes

[onyx scaffold]

They haven't mentioned anything about PvP for that past 12 months

[spare nimbus]

Are we gunna reshuffle soon?

[swift mango]

I want this big whatever she is holding too.

[tropic summit]

Pv what?

[hollow lagoon]

we gionna get reshuffle like soon ish?

[hollow lagoon]

pvRail

[shell hazel]

end of this SPA season

[bleak marsh]

we are only halfway through beta seasons, tbf

[gaunt pulsar]

bump jackal atleast a tier up for story i'm literally running her since like chapter 22 to 30 at 20-25% deficit constantly, saves me with dmg share from oneshots, and allows for instant burst generation stuff that is impossible with liter/other slow b1, and it matters alot

[tropic summit]

yes you and @shell hazel are coming in my bracket

[hollow lagoon]

idk if u want that but ok

[swift mango]

PvBrick

[bleak marsh]

battle of the giants

[onyx scaffold]

Bring Keripo to my bracket please !

[shell hazel]

poor guy will be so confused 😄

[blissful willow]

[tropic summit]

this guy keeps stealing your pings

[blissful willow]

20-25 is like low deficit and it's about to get scrapped most probably

[hollow lagoon]

i pinged him liek twice

[shell hazel]

we must ping them until they change their name

[tropic summit]

honestly as long as you bully ch1 and leave me a ch6 i don't care

[shell hazel]

@proven mauve please change your name so I can become the truest hippo

[swift mango]

[spare nimbus]

I forgot f word not allowed even on emojis 💀

[blissful willow]

There easy mode campaign now so people can go there

[tropic summit]

imagine investing in pvp, the fools

[gaunt pulsar]

no one doing lower without crown

[hollow lagoon]

aint u older bracket u sure i wont get bullied?

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-lotr-fly-you-fools-escape-run-gif-5498859

[blissful willow]

Why the heck are u using jackal

[bleak marsh]

thank you for letting me know why i also get timed out

[tropic summit]

considering the amount of monkeys in my bracket, you're probably able to climb

[swift mango]

Nah I just brick all around. P or E.

[hollow lagoon]

rail thinks i have the ability to win if i dont gate people by 30% deficit

[blissful willow]

@onyx scaffold help this man

[tropic summit]

let's become Surface Content mains

[blissful willow]

Is this why you're ma smh

[onyx scaffold]

Who

[tropic summit]

oh no...

[shell hazel]

[onyx scaffold]

Nobody is MA here

[hidden sail]

been trying to get into arena but have no idea where to start with team building, any ideas or what i should focus on upgrading?

[blissful willow]

This guy

[bleak marsh]

did you try pins @hidden sail ?

[tropic summit]

here's one @keen vapor

[spare nimbus]

Cp diff EVERYONE easy

[shell hazel]

@gritty ridge please solve for x

[keen vapor]

[gaunt pulsar]

crownless, sirenless, burst gen and dmg share better than other buff, liter is literally only exists for bosses for me

[spare nimbus]

💳 is ultimate meta

[swift mango]

Nuhuh gate them with 40% instead

[tropic summit]

and find Y

[blissful willow]

Send me your units dawg

[hollow lagoon]

not confident

[tropic summit]

can't even argue with that

[shell hazel]

but don't pay any attention to z they're tricksy

[onyx scaffold]

Oh the guy who uses Jackal for pve?

[blissful willow]

I spent 3 years helping people never did I recommend jackal for pve

[keen vapor]

Was busy attacking

[hollow lagoon]

i should make lunch

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/getout-gif-16327023334064302194

[keen vapor]

That's @umbral crown

[swift mango]

[hidden sail]

no i did not, thx

[tropic summit]

make lunch for your children

[shell hazel]

look don't worry about it I'm using trina/ros/noise/moran for my towers 😄

[tropic summit]

[onyx scaffold]

Dude just use Rapunzel and revive the dead one

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/grandpa-abe-exit-confused-bye-bart-gif-7694184

[onyx scaffold]

If the laser hits hard enough, it can kill 3 units of yours due to dmg share

[swift mango]

Oi, time to do 1400 pull in Standard to max core her.

[bleak marsh]

of course!
I don't play PvP, but i think enough people have said check pins as a good starter
You'll be fine~

[blissful willow]

Just an fyi people used to do 30% deficit before blanc noir were even a thing

Crown is a blessing

[shell hazel]

30% I wish

45% was my last malding session 😄

[hollow lagoon]

mean while i'm folding to 25% deficit

[bleak marsh]

me who doesn't have crown

[blissful willow]

Malding campaign in the big 25 🥀🥀

[hollow lagoon]

electric volleyballz

[swift mango]

@keen vapor

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[tropic summit]

this needs to be pinned, legit 10/10 solid advise

[keen vapor]

Have that without last 0

[onyx scaffold]

Lowest cp clear in CN is
Liter Admi Alice Privaty Maxwell/Modernia
We have bunnies there btw

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/whyarewenotfundingthis-familyguy-funding-funds-gif-5547091

[shell hazel]

turns out jesus ressurection spell is op

[hollow lagoon]

Don’t worry, your live will be better once you meat the lord and savior volleyball

[blissful willow]

1/1/5 7/1/1

Y'all reliving the glory days