pvp-arena

[shell hazel]

bug arena strikes again!

[north brook]

Isnt it just everything double proccing invalidates bay

When they were supposed to be fixing bay they made her unplayable

[swift mango]

So I guess Rapipi nuke double proc'ed too.

[fathom rock]

Time to find a way to check that

[swift mango]

No way to check consider MG hitting a ton. Unless you count every hit and her ammo

[fathom rock]

Just check the dmg number
But good luck finding someone that lives

[swift mango]

I mean biscuit, but immune. Not number.

Could try it against a Nero team with Nero not 100% Dr.

---

@copper creek

So I couldn't find your thread about double proc'ed.

Could you linked it again?

SBS double proc'ed. XMaiden s1 double proc'ed. Jackal double proc'ed. Now Rapipi nuke double proc'ed.

[crystal flicker]

Should've changed PvP to PvB

[swift mango]

Wtf with this game? At least list out all the double proc'ed.... I asked for seasonal buff, not silent seasonal buff that I needed to figure it out.

[spiral onyx]

Spent 40 rocks but rolled max ammo on both Vesti and Emilia. So they both have enough ammo to finish the job

[glad meteor]

How did nero die. Shouldn’t she have 100% damage reduction?

[swift mango]

Killed before Moran even burst

[glad meteor]

Can see moran infinite ammo

[swift mango]

I guess zero investment Moran and Nero.

[spiral onyx]

Not a fully invested Nero. Fine for testing purposes though

[swift mango]

Trash Nero.

Bet both of Nero and Moran 444

[spiral onyx]

Moran is fully invested. Just not Nero

I need to tell Noeita to go invest in her

[swift mango]

Nero only need max skill 1.

[spiral onyx]

Even with Max investment though, Nero ain't soloing the entire team lol

[twilit bay]

Is it worth avoiding cs just to run that team? I guess the only drawback would be less burst gen?

[swift mango]

~~My whale Nero solo my entire team, it's not even deficit and Nero isn't maxed ~~

[spiral onyx]

My team?

[twilit bay]

yes

[shell hazel]

I feel like some CS is good on vesti no matter what

[spiral onyx]

My team has 22% charge speed on Emilia lol

[swift mango]

So you should build your Nero, perhaps you could solo someone's entire team.

[twilit bay]

Sorry, should have specified, on Vesti

[spiral onyx]

My Nero is maxed

My test dummy's isn't

[swift mango]

So you use Nero now?

[spiral onyx]

But it's fine for testing

[shell hazel]

you going to re-roll your vesti more keripo or try as is? lowish ammo guess you only got 1 roll and probably no CS?

should be fine for your 2RL rh/emi

[swift mango]

Last I saw your CA team I didn't see Nero team...

[shell hazel]

would be less effective on blanc indom mode

[fathom rock]

4 atk 4 ele 4 def nero

[north brook]

She needs enough time for her healers to stack procs on her

If u kill her team fast enough nero wont get to 100 dr

[spiral onyx]

I think you need new glasses lol

[swift mango]

Okay thanks. I need that.

[spiral onyx]

Charge speed on Vesti won't change the timeline

[shell hazel]

it should do for indom version

more barrage in indom window

[spiral onyx]

The 2RL is gated behind Emilia

Blanc version yeah should benefit from change speed a bit

But marginally. You're gated behind animation lock

[shell hazel]

10% CS should reduce 2s charge time down to 1.8s I think?

[swift mango]

No CS and you could buff Vesti before she normal attack if you fast enough.

Yes CS and you could use Vesti to help burst gen.

[shell hazel]

it's an ammo balance as well as you don't want to reload mid-indom ideally either

atk only vesti is much easier to spend rocks on though, just roll until you get atk and then you're done lol

[spiral onyx]

Blanc Vesti I feel is the same as Blanc Scalter or Blanc Emilia

[swift mango]

Except Vesti suck in indom duel.

[spiral onyx]

You either win because they have no sustain or you lose because you're slower or you lose because your Blanc wore off faster or you lose because you die mid charge animation

I don't think there's an in between where charge speed on a Blanc Vesti comp will spell the difference between win or lose

[shell hazel]

no just might make her more flexible I suppose

[spiral onyx]

Charge speed is better for general purpose faster bursting

[shell hazel]

8 ammo vesti on indom is kind of meh

fires one barrage in indom then has to stop to reload

[spiral onyx]

Spend those rocks giving all your Cindy team units charge speed so she can land her nuke before Scarlet

[spiral onyx]

Wouldn't you be better off getting max ammo then than charge speed

[swift mango]

Well, at least with 0cs, my Vesti died in the middle of her 5th charge.

[spiral onyx]

16 ammo Vesti should be better

[spiral onyx]

Yeah but that's super situational. Your different opponents will all have different timings for their Blancs

[swift mango]

I was talking about 2rl Blanc though

[spiral onyx]

It's like that scenario where my 2RL Noah Emilia lost against a literally less invested 2RL Noah Emilia cause my 2RL team was too fast and Emilia landed her nuke into the enemy Noah's invuln but theirs didn't

[spiral onyx]

2RL Blancs can still be faster or slower depending on charge speed

[swift mango]

Yeah, wish their 2rl too fast their Blanc ended at my 16th shot from Vesti. I guess.

[spiral onyx]

My old 2.5RL Blanc Scarlet team is 190f. My new one is 186f. Inb4 I lose a mirror match to a copy of my old 190f team

Actually, 2.5RL Blanc Scarlet loses against 3RL Blanc Scarlet doesn't it

[swift mango]

If 2.5rl that has 19% CS like yours vs 3rl with 0% Cs and not even use Helm or LapT then you probably wipe before their Blanc.

[spiral onyx]

March 27, 2025 - August 26, 2025
152 days

It's been 5 months since CA launched. That's a lot of rocks

I would be hard pressed to believe any PvP try hard wouldn't have they units charge speeded

[swift mango]

what about my Black Ele.

[raven plover]

yes 1 RL

[crystal flicker]

That feed is crazy

It's SGOver

<@&946725432554836008>

Ty

[shell hazel]

line 1 it's over

[swift mango]

Well, I won't lock it if it's scarlet but since it Vesti I could keep it. As any line that's not DeF or Hit rate is good

~~I got 3 hit rate today ~~

[shell hazel]

damn

I am scared to burn my rocks on scarlet

but it needs to be done, I'll get 50 ish and then go on a spending spree

[crystal flicker]

Fellow Scarlet roller

[shell hazel]

mine is omega bricked

[swift mango]

Just need 500 rock and you would be kinda done with your scarlet like me.

[shell hazel]

for now I'd settle with 2 x atk rolls and some cp pad

eventually all 4

[crystal flicker]

I should move that Crit and delete CS

[shell hazel]

I win on brick status I think

[crystal flicker]

3 high atk is enough to wipe anything with Trina tbh

[shell hazel]

yeah, so a lot to do

[crystal flicker]

Actually yeah I need to reroll some

[shell hazel]

and my vesti needs some rocks too to get her more usable

[swift mango]

You only have 1 black line from luck, not 3 high attack

[crystal flicker]

I just checked, I thought I have 3x10 or something lol

[crystal flicker]

Also you have >50 ammo, which means you have like 115% ATK buff from passive alone lol

[shell hazel]

oh I had that, it's an old image maybe, I re-rolled a bit but I have no ammo anymore lol

I ruined my scar I think in general so it's full re-roll some stuff and start over

this is more accurate but still awful - charge damage doesn't do much so I think it's full roll o'clock anyway

i'll lock the ele on boots and fish for something better on line 2/line 1 there

probably just give up on blue line ele on the gloves

CS on chest line 3 doesn't do anything so also full roll needed

I can leave the helm for now as cp pad

[crystal flicker]

yeh

I keep rolling till get a good L3

unless it's battery

[shell hazel]

yep basically, line 1 or line 2 blue/black good lines make it hard though lol

think some dps or random CA are fine without a good line 3 as well

[swift mango]

[crystal flicker]

Yeah

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

[shell hazel]

<@&946725432554836008>

[swift mango]

[quick void]

how to beat this team

[undone creek]

j

[frank spear]

Do they shuffle people next reset?

[shell hazel]

no it's every 3 months we just had one like 2 weeks ago, so another 10 weeks minimum

[frank spear]

[onyx scaffold]

what is vesti breakpoint? same 15%?

[shell hazel]

it is yes, I think 10% CS and 16 ammo might be a good spot to stop anyway

and focus instead on atk stats, but not seen the maths behind this necessarily

[limpid urchin]

where are people getting these charts from?

[onyx scaffold]

from my dream

i dreamt about a pin 📌 in a discord channel

[limpid urchin]

I always forget that pins exist.

I used to think that pins were just something you used to save your favorite messages, I didn't know they were Channel wide for everyone until they removed that channels pin privilege's from everyone.

[atomic wolf]

today's subject

slavery

[tropic summit]

like in the screenshot, sparkling one

[tropic summit]

error 404, PvP not found

[limpid urchin]

By the way how does taunt effect units in PVP?

[tropic summit]

when in presence of multiple enemy taunts, the latest applied overwrites the first applied

e.g. noise and noah taunts

[limpid urchin]

I was thinking of Diesel's Taunt. Been the Sand Bag for my Team since forever.

[tropic summit]

it's an attract type, attract does not work in pvp

although you can still make her your sponge by running her in p1

keep in mind opponent can run SRs, which shoot p5 on attack side, to bypass her

typically helmT, alice, ein or RH

[limpid urchin]

I was wondering why that happens I figured that certain abilities were just disabled in PVP since they could be too broken. Thanks for the info. Can see what I was doing wrong now.

[tropic summit]

they're not disabled, it's just that SU has shown very little interest in pvp

unless something is downright broken, noise level broken on release, then they won't do a thing

other exception was fixing distributed damage buggy interaction as of recently

although they introduced a more broken bug and have yet to fix it, which is the double procc rate

(on only some units)

[glad meteor]

Works on offence. But when it comes to defence only against skills

[crystal flicker]

They should make all skill PvP able

So can make 0 rl shenanigans

[tropic summit]

single multi
#gacha-rolls message

@swift mango

for once i didn't need to deplete my stocks

[glad meteor]

hax

[tropic summit]

yes, in reverse, SU failed to hax me this time

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[tropic summit]

<@&946725432554836008>

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-kitten-lazy-pet-me-give-me-give-me-gif-16322510

[glad meteor]

[copper creek]

Wasnt me

I didnt make that thread i gave up on trying to keep logs of arena bugs/issues

[late tiger]

Can't tell if joke or real

[crystal flicker]

He can't be serious

[tropic summit]

working as intended [c] underpaid intern

[crystal flicker]

Should put that on your CV

[real ocean]

[glad meteor]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1405545677244858582

there was this one

[grand plaza]

Hey Rail, may I ask for some team suggestions?

I am more and more losing on SPA lately and it become both easier to lose and harder to get back with lack of Scarlet, Noah etc.

First image PVP nikkes I don't have, second overall my list and third my current SPA teams. I am willing to make some investments on pvp nikkes as well but idk if OL lines are needed or not for batteries etc

[swift mango]

Did you ever depleted it?

[jagged sedge]

Can somone attack the #1 spot while at #4 in sp arena?

[grand plaza]

Yes

[swift mango]

flex flex flex, now just focus on attacking them

[grand plaza]

Nowadays its more like they are flexing on me

[swift mango]

What is your synch level and rank in SpA?

[grand plaza]

303 right now, with rank somewhere between 7-10. I was usually keeping my 6th spot but recent shuffle bring someone who never sleeps so I just gave up the 4-6 lol

[swift mango]

For someone who lack nikke, you are wasting Rapu, a team making B1, in a jackal team.....

it's a huge waste...

[grand plaza]

Teach me your ways please, thats why I asked

[swift mango]

Guess you are as bricked as me when I was your level. At least I was higher synch than Normie in mu bracket and log in more often.

[swift mango]

Uhm first maybe try to pull for vesti,

[swift mango]

My way was having more CP than them.

[grand plaza]

I am pushing hard for highest CP gain as much as I can, I am 5+ chapter away from second place on my bracket. Normal is finished as well except boss

[grand plaza]

I will but max 50 pulls I think. I have 100k gems + 20 tickets but I also need to save for a lot of reruns + limited + maybe an OP bunny

[grand plaza]

Well F, I definitely can't do that considering 1-4 at least 20+ sync above while 6-10 is usually higher than me but close enough to beat

[swift mango]

Crown+Cindy+Midhara+Biscuit+Rumani

SBS+Rapu+Blanc+Drake+Noir

Ein+HelmT+RH+Siren+Jackal

it's hard because you not only lacking units you don't even have units like Noise, Bay or Rossana built.

[grand plaza]

I am willing to built tbh. I want to focus on PVP a bit more now. Solo Raids without rapipi and some others really makes it hard to reach %3 anyway.

So feel free to give suggestions like they are invested

[swift mango]

Then go and upgrade your Rossanna.

Tbf, I was more bricked than you, not jack, Noah, Rossanna, but Siren and HelmT didnt exist back then so it was more manageable.

[grand plaza]

I was lucky with very early Jackal. Probably one of my fist 5 nikkes.

[grand plaza]

Btw by invest you mean SR15 + full OL? Whats a balanced level of investment for pvp units?

[crystal pollen]

are my teams okay? i have almost no knowledge about pvp stuff only i know rl/sg generate burst faster

[swift mango]

Rossanna needs sr5 and 477 minimum.

And 787 real CA minimum

[swift mango]

Need blan instead of jackal... And Vesti team doesn't need that much burst gen

[crystal pollen]

lmao dyno

heres my nikkes if theres someone better i can swap

im pretty new i dont have mats but im willing to invest on them overtime

[grand plaza]

That rapunzel build above is great idea tbh, how would you use Rosanna after building her?

[swift mango]

Build her and you will know

[swift mango]

Or not. If that def works

[crystal pollen]

blanc? in which team should i put?

[grand plaza]

Well either way SR5 is not that bad. I was planning to make all pvp nikkes at least SR5

[sinful sapphire]

Try Jackal,SBS,Blanc,MaidenIce,Siren Noise,Centi,Cinderella,Helm,Rumani then... nothing really good pops up but I saw a match that used Drake,Liter,Marciana,SodaBunny and Tove that did well though I don't know why Liter and Marciana were used.

[fathom rock]

Wait a sec shouldn't this be 4rl

[sinful sapphire]

maybe siren disabled jackal rendering their speed moot?

[fathom rock]

Siren disabling jackal should not make me 2rl
I got burst before stun too

[sinful sapphire]

they cant burst

[shell hazel]

got centi to SR-15 with the pity maintenance kits lol

and trina SR-12 (I need 2 more ssr things to have a good shot at SR-12 => SR-15)

[fathom rock]

Few things

1. They are 2rl so jackal goes off before siren stun and they burst normally
2. The noah biscuit cindy siren drake is supposed to be 4rl to begin with

[shell hazel]

there is a bug with siren where previous rounds can carry across and trigger her burst gen

if you mean in SPA, at least that is what I've seen reported

[swift mango]

It's siren bug that count the bullet from other 2 fights before this one.

[fathom rock]

Who tf coded this game

[sinful sapphire]

maybe devs from the same place that coded an old mmorpg filled with bugs

[swift mango]

Underpaid bullied interns. The ones who didn't getting gift with car and game console during their precious "employees appreciate" events.

The 90% official worker only sits in through connect and order intern around. Basically how Korean bully society culture works

[sinful sapphire]

maybe they have a siren bullet counter that needs to be initialized every round they forgot to

[shell hazel]

bug arena don't worry about it 😄

[fathom rock]

[swift mango]

Nikke: Bugess of Bugtory.

[fathom rock]

When is 3rd buggiversary

[swift mango]

After Bugollab ofc.

[lofty spire]

how would you guys deal with this? 36 levels lower btw (level 372)

[heavy hearth]

Looking for some help updating my SP Arena teams. Any help is much appreciated

[shell hazel]

it's an annoying team to deal with because of the biscuit procs, what are the other teams like? you might be able to indom rapi it

[brazen nova]

this is my team rn, i have every meta PVP nikkes except Noah, Emilia and AnisSS (i played the game after their release)
is this good enough for stay in top 10?
Top 1 are 346 sync

[keen vapor]

Oh, that explains why Check failed attacks so many times

[keen vapor]

LILITH

[keen vapor]

Noah Summer Anis stall

[keen vapor]

Can improve

[hybrid fox]

@swift mango insane ur team worked like a charm
this team I was panic because scarlet and soda got stunned so I thought it was a lost cause but it managed to slash

[brazen nova]

some how i just goes to C2 with that team
but i think i will pushed down to C10 or D1 next morning lol

JP server are brutal

[keen vapor]

Next morning Special Arena will be closed

[brazen nova]

[keen vapor]

I can imagine

[brazen nova]

tbh Ii’m so addicted to PvP and the feeling of winning that I must have spent a few thousand gems just testing out different teams.

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

You're already using Anis so I imagine you don't have Rumani yet right

[brazen nova]

ah i have Rumani MLB and already replaced Anis

Vesti, Rumani, Blanc, RH, Mana
copied from top 1 haha

[gritty ridge]

Place your bets

[shell hazel]

umm bigboi - cp deficit 😛

[gritty ridge]

Im aware

[shell hazel]

jackal link survives even with that deficit?

[gritty ridge]

Yeah i have beefy jackal

[shell hazel]

beefcake jackal 😮

SR-15 when?

[gritty ridge]

After bready and scar

Bready is sr12 tho so shes almost done

[shell hazel]

did you use the free doll mats in the mail already?

[gritty ridge]

Oh we got those?

Lemme go use em

[shell hazel]

not even a few it's 48 orange boxes

which is pretty win

[gritty ridge]

That also should put me in range to kill snake so ill stream that later

[shell hazel]

snake gonna be killed

[shell hazel]

I'm hoping to jump my trina from SR-12 to SR-15 later, fish fingers crossed

[peak jungle]

Win?

[gritty ridge]

I think im actually gonna dump mats into batteries first

Just to get them decent cp

[gritty ridge]

Why is trina in t2

[peak jungle]

Burst gen

buff scar

[gritty ridge]

She only gives her health and invul

No dmg

I was taught this earlier when I made a similar team

[shell hazel]

yes that is right she is not b2 so no buff

[gritty ridge]

I was trying to see if I could use Emma against nero moran but her debuff is alot lower than I thought

[shell hazel]

that team winning depends on how lethal the scar/indom/counters get as you lose a war of attrition once indom ends

[gritty ridge]

Its double counters rn so should be good as long as she does do them

[tropic summit]

no but i did get to below 60k before

[gritty ridge]

Hi rail, long time no see

[shell hazel]

hi Rail

I have 60k now so.... I am not in a good spot necessarily

[gritty ridge]

Oh yeah hippo, could you help me out with a team?

[peak jungle]

I won
https://youtu.be/6EsVhfpGrNY

[grand plaza]

Nice performance

[shell hazel]

a team?

[peak jungle]

my laptap even lag cuz someone send me message

[grand plaza]

I am surprised how strong Bay is tho

[peak jungle]

i get her treasure purely for lobby

[grand plaza]

Understandable

[tropic summit]

T1 is too slow, also feeds
T2 is too slow, especially for jackal and indom
T3 too weak, lacks lethal

with noah lacking i highly suggest you get bay up to speed (2OL, R15-SR5 could be enough)

Attack:
for attack you only need 2 teams,

sbs helmt blanc centi jackal (can contest anything that doesn't have defender + biscuit or heavy stalling)
rumani anchor cindy biscuit draket (should do fine against anything that doesn't have indom or anti nuke)
auto

Defense

you're lacking here unfortunately, but can do with these for now

quency blanc rh centi jackal
rumani anchorIM cindy biscuit drakeT
helmt doros siren naga noir

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

Rail do you think the teams I want to send should beat my whale later? I can summarise them

my teams

[quick lake]

no vesti?

[shell hazel]

opponent teams

my vesti isn't fully ready yet, opponent has vesti

4th OL either today or tomorrow, should be done before CA starts, and I need to roll a bit

[peak jungle]

I saw some interesting team that don’t burst use absolutes, emt, and laplace
just kill enemy’s team with normal attacks

[shell hazel]

yeah I saw it looks fun, but I don't have the other members going to wishlist them 😛

[tropic summit]

T1 indom or anti nuke
T2 2RL noah biscuit RH B3, you'll hit their backline for free as long as RH is in p3 or p4 or p5
T3 you can skip or SG + rosanna that

[gritty ridge]

I wanna see if I can maybe salvage my team 3 in this ca comp i built

[shell hazel]

let's see

[shell hazel]

sure send it

[gritty ridge]

As you can see, the cindy team is not good

Also thank you deck builder maker for letting me put chargespeed on bready

[shell hazel]

this?

can't get t2 to 2rl without helm there it seems

biscuit/rh are both a bit on the slow side

t1 I need to be careful I don't knock rapu down to 30% or less by b1 or I get full stunned team

<@&946725432554836008>

[peak jungle]

<@&946725432554836008>

[real ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-cinderella-murasaki-gif-10995239731836194215

[shell hazel]

not sure much you can do with cindy team it's biscuit + defenders

[gritty ridge]

So you think this abt the best I can do?

[shell hazel]

rumani swap with anis maybe

because then if noise dies to splash you have a backup b1 on that team

[gritty ridge]

The only problem with that is then my indom team has no backup b1

[peak jungle]

That pascal

[shell hazel]

jackal shouldn't need a backup b1

[gritty ridge]

At 2.5rl wont she get stunned?

[gritty ridge]

Don't mind pascal

Hes having fun

[shell hazel]

you could bready p1 at risk of siren

but no other b3 will take the burst off her

it's kind of swings and roundabouts a bit here, you lose backup b1 but then cindy comp has no backup b1

[gritty ridge]

Her burst is strong enough to 2 shot most teams so maybe bready p1 can still win if she gets stunned

[swift mango]

so bricked you won't ever recover from that at all.

[tropic summit]

speaking from experience?

[tropic summit]

T2 looks on spot, T1 is a bit weird, T3 will probably lose but worth a shot

[shell hazel]

what would you change for t1?

[tropic summit]

2RL ensures blanc doesn't get s2'ed to death via poor RNG

[swift mango]

Just finish the fight fast then you don't have to worry about siren bullet

[shell hazel]

not sure if I have enough batteries left to get there without relying on jackal feed

[swift mango]

I wanted to know if 2nd team won.

[shell hazel]

oh I might do, trina

could do my own scar 2RL but not sure if trina screws with the indom?

[swift mango]

Was I ever that bricked? Imagine I got to 60k

[tropic summit]

use your quantums

free up helmt from RH 2RL

[shell hazel]

yeah I can do that 🙂

team 3 hail mary probably lose

[gritty ridge]

She does, bumps scar hp by alot and then makes her invul

Which means youll most likely indom your other link

[shell hazel]

bigboi you got xanne as b2 in your sg comp, but you don't have her right?

guessing you meant another b2

[gritty ridge]

Ill have x.anne once she reruns in like a month, until then im using viper

[shell hazel]

the counters? opponent jackal not linked 🙂

rapu scar etc, it's 2RL rapu with opportunistic stun I think

but rapu is p1 so my blanc will not get any scar counters at least

for t2 their helm on burst will shoot at noah not my RH right?

[hybrid fox]

Yes too
You are insane how do you figure those teams out

[gritty ridge]

The comp i made there is specifically what im building towards

[tropic summit]

2RL helmT will shoot at invulnerable RH

as you're also on 2RL

[tropic summit]

T1 scarlet is just glass cannon, any indom carry will get rid of them

[shell hazel]

i'll record when I send it, I have a free try left + a chip if I really want to burn my last one

[tropic summit]

just watch CP for the RH team as that one has 4 utilities

if you're on deficit they'll outheal

[shell hazel]

it's 745K vs my 640K

[tropic summit]

hmm ok in range

[shell hazel]

so expectation is that they shoot my RH whilst noah invuln and I do the same, but then I finish them off in reverse?

does helm revert to p1 after her initial shot?

[tropic summit]

ofc she does

snipers on defense shoot p1

[shell hazel]

yeah figured but on burst she goes for highest atk or similar

I think?

[tropic summit]

her nuke hits highest atk% correct

[shell hazel]

cool thanks 🙂

I'll send near reset no point sending now, too close to end anyway

nice to start next season back at chal 1

[gritty ridge]

Oh should I snipe c1 before season end?

[shell hazel]

if you have free tries worth a consideration but may as well wait until last few mins

[tropic summit]

my chinnit gonna need to gem for this one

somehow he screwed up against lower bracket members

if he doesn't hit me i claim ch3 unpunished

[gritty ridge]

Ah im out of free hits and I used my token a while ago

[shell hazel]

what magic did you use to find them in blabla Rail?

[tropic summit]

seems like they started infighting

[swift mango]

That's nice.
Just check their speed and knowing how units of interact.

[tropic summit]

just search by name

<@&946725432554836008>

[tropic summit]

someone yesterday was complaining @swift mango was a joke

[molten hound]

mr beast bots going crazy

[tropic summit]

imagine the balls at complaining at a guy who's been helping for nearly an year

[shell hazel]

everyone loves to hate mr beast

[swift mango]

I'm a filthy casual.

[tropic summit]

as casual as Faker while he sleeps

[shell hazel]

barely invested in any pvp units either and was complaining when they didn't win 😄

emi on blue doll etc

[tropic summit]

blood got his magic wand and makes everything working without effort surely

[shell hazel]

sending indom vesti with no ammo rolls etc

[tropic summit]

well in blood defense i also asked a dude to run s.anis and turns out he had ammo OL and no resil

[shell hazel]

I need to work out how to type my whales name 😄

[tropic summit]

1. take a screenshot
2. go https://www.imagetotext.info/
3. get it translated into text
4. search on blabla

[shell hazel]

don't waste gems for it tbh not worth

[gritty ridge]

Yeah i figured

Ill buy a token just to keep for later tho

[jolly maple]

I use gems
||for rookie arena||
||well months ago||

[swift mango]

His Vesti no ammo roll? Darn I should tell him to use Noir or Siren and Bastion. No wonder dude ignored me.
I checked the dmg I think RH would be enough but should have just siren.

[shell hazel]

yeah was 8 ammo vesti

reloading during indom window

Rail lmao

so many like this will be hard to find

[swift mango]

He should be fine with

Jackal+Blanc+Vesti(Resilence)+Centi+Crown too.

Provided Crown isn't linked ofc.

There are teches to ignore ammo.

But red buff should be fine. So nvm.

My whale was too lazy to take it back.... I wanted to test my Vesti...

Idk why should I worry about yesterday topic anymore.

[shell hazel]

nah don't worry blood I always appreciate the help

[swift mango]

I wasn't casual enough

[shell hazel]

not like your advice is something people are entitled to

same for Rail etc - people just help if they want to

[tropic summit]

you can spot him with campaign progression or nikke owned

[shell hazel]

I may need to iterate a lot of names here lol it scrolls a while

[scarlet adder]

only this i tought she has more?

[shell hazel]

not without CS and that is limited improvement

[scarlet adder]

hmmm is this fast?

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-duckling-no-no-way-i-dont-agree-gif-4243311

[swift mango]

3rl team

[scarlet adder]

i put pascal for her and it seems slow

[shell hazel]

pascal probably has more burst gen

[scarlet adder]

a tinhy bit

but similar

[coarse lake]

eh.....

[scarlet adder]

tbh i doubt he has cs on her

[swift mango]

Eh.....

Guess I got @strong hull 's Jerry now

oh is this @umbral crown bird?

[coarse lake]

do I have a signature emote

ig it's doro think

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

I get it from section.

[tropic summit]

oh yeah i just realized

it's a 2RL rapu p1 and you lack lethal pre 2RL

chances are you're likely stunned

[swift mango]

Comeback, the guys are waiting for you

[shell hazel]

yeah even if I am guy is +30 sync and therefore is harder to kill lol

[tropic summit]

you've bay on minimun invest right?

[gritty ridge]

I cant even tell if my teams are good cuz they just get cp gapped

[shell hazel]

I do not, one of the few I don't have

[swift mango]

@umbral belfry

[shell hazel]

bay and soda not built

[strong hull]

[tropic summit]

scar trina rh max built?

[shell hazel]

yeah though my scar still atk bricked a bit

planning to solve it soon, on double buff she should kill that

I'd be more worried about her cutting down cindy team

[tropic summit]

thinking of this to play it safe against rapu's RNG stun

[tropic summit]

in general 3RL utilities are non lethal to p1

[tropic summit]

and should not drop her on HP threshold either

[shell hazel]

should be OK even if their t2 is 2.5RL with CS?

which I think is possible, though it can't be 2RL

[tropic summit]

if it's 2.5RL, you may not be lethal on RH

[grand plaza]

Hey, thanks for the suggestions. Looks like I definitely needs to invest some because right now faster burst usually means too big of a CP loss

[tropic summit]

only one way to find out

[shell hazel]

sure at a certain point I send it anyway and see lol, free try may as well use it

[tropic summit]

ye you losing on both speed and CP, time to invest

raise your utilities and main B3s

[swift mango]

The original derp I guess.

[grand plaza]

So far I always focused on b3's, probably visible from my nikke list. Only they + Siren and Crown has SR15 dolls etc.

But now I want to focus PVP a bit more since I am not comfortable defending 4-6 anymore, especially with lack of Scarlet/Noah. I will try to get Vesti as well, hopefully it will come below 50 pulls or wishlist :/

[swift mango]

idk why nfsw is not allowed but these emoji like this exist.

[tropic summit]

one word, HYPOCRISY

just like how this game is pg13 family friendly, but god forbid opening noir in nikkepedia in a library

[coarse lake]

[tropic summit]

or on a bus

[shell hazel]

i'm kind of glad the channel isn't tagged nsfw tbh because my gov decides to block that unless I validate id or use a vpn

[tropic summit]

wow that'd be a pain in the rear

[shell hazel]

yes it is lol

[shell hazel]

online safety act = we can control what you see (unless you use a vpn)

but vpn for all the time would be annoying

[tropic summit]

Blood's trying to speedrun any% 2 hours ban

[sterile matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-popcorn-doro-dorothy-gif-8626997574330021589

[shell hazel]

thanks I'll send this and record near reset. cp looks good on all 3 teams

[coarse lake]

I've been paying for vpn for the past several years

haven't really used it in the past year

[shell hazel]

I have one just don't want to use it for normal routine browsing

[coarse lake]

still nice to have, esp with censorship on the rise

[shell hazel]

my alice has decent cp but isn't that good haha. but she'll do the job here to just target p5 instead of p1 rapu bait

[coarse lake]

I have it auto turnon on startup, then I just turn it off right after, but at least this way I'll never forget it's available

[swift mango]

I use free vpn

[shell hazel]

mine comes with my usenet sub

[swift mango]

[coarse lake]

I don't trust free vpn

although I use free antivirus

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

that's why we know how your d||uc||k looks like

[coarse lake]

I use surfshark with dedicated ip, it's pretty nice

main usage these days is to vpn over to france so that I can manipulate coop positioning

[swift mango]

Look ma. I'm Japanese now. Gotta find some cute teens for @keen vapor

[coarse lake]

nord?

[swift mango]

Nord isn't free. It's protonvpn. The best free one for mobile.

[coarse lake]

oh

[swift mango]

Hard to get anywhere beside Japan though. Sometimes Rumania, Netherlands .etc or The FREEDOM.

For free

But rare

[tropic summit]

[umbral belfry]

LADS

[tropic summit]

Husbandos*

[gritty ridge]

Blanc and Trina are both r15 now, biscuit and rumani are next

[grand plaza]

What do you think about this @tropic summit? I think its a good middle ground for now

I took @swift mango 's suggestion from before and seperate jackal and rapunzel

[onyx crescent]

need suggestions for better defense teams

[tropic summit]

move blanc to p2 or you gonna risk indomming rapu

too slow overall but i guess it's better than before

[tropic summit]

fix your ordering:

T1 blanc sbs biscuit emilia rumani
T2 jackal scarlet trina xmaiden laplace
T3 ok

[grand plaza]

I realized that but does moving Blanc to p2 even solves that issue? This time blanc will be stunned and same thing again?

[oblique ridge]

Blanc stunned by who?

Are you thinking SBS is doomed to die, then Blanc will get hit by Siren proc?

[grand plaza]

Not doomed, but if she dies yeah

[oblique ridge]

Does a 3RL team Rapunzel burst soon enough to avoid Siren stun?

[grand plaza]

I am not %100 sure but as far as I can remember Siren stuns at either 2.5rl or 3rl

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit bricked scarlet failed haha, whale tech for ya 🙂

[oblique ridge]

3 Enriched usernames consecutively, that confused me for a moment

[swift mango]

Slow team only works with Cindy.

[shell hazel]

we're all enriched

[grand plaza]

Should I switch QeQ and Cindy then?

[swift mango]

Change 5rl Cindy+Midhara team into 4rl queency+RH make it useless.

Just move back to 3rl teams

[grand plaza]

What midhara?

[shell hazel]

deadge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8M0vsPzliE

[swift mango]

The new mihara that is mid.

[grand plaza]

And I simply give way too much CP if I want to make last team 3rl.

Its loss either way probably but at least like that biscuit can stall to 4rl maybe

[grand plaza]

I mean I didn't use her in my teams?

[tropic summit]

well you know what to work on, were they 2.5RL although?

[shell hazel]

I recorded it just above 🙂

[tropic summit]

if they weren't, scarlet really needs some love

[shell hazel]

yeah I know she does anyway, got about 50 rocks saved to try to get her some atk

just waiting for last possible day before CA so I can max my rocks - though last 2 days I got like 1 rocks 😄

[tropic summit]

yeah they were

noise B1 on your B3

[shell hazel]

yeah

should I send my previous teams to see what they do? I have 1 chip left, no harm in using it, not really a desperate rush if it's not worth it

this was what I had before to try

I get 381 boost myself soon as well so will help some, as they're 2 cp boosts ahead of me atm, will bring it back to 1

I don't think my batteries + xmaiden bring rapu below 30% especially with whale tech, but you never know 😛

[grand plaza]

May I ask something, everyone on team one has full OL - SR15 etc?

[shell hazel]

basically all the units I've played here have full OL and SR-15 but a few not quite SR-15

and not all OL are +5 or anything

not perfect rolls etc

rumani biscuit and blanc need SR-15, I should get SR-15 Trina today hopefully if not then soon

[grand plaza]

[shell hazel]

my teams haha, team 2 lost because RH cycled back to b3

xmaiden on p1 rapu is a bit dicey though I don't like it

well my first real season of competition and beat the whale anyway

[tropic summit]

64 level advantage, still not good enough

bro needs to spend more

[shell hazel]

Rail I recorded my teams for your viewing 🍿 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIWKAcIfM3c

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/humpback-whale-whale-onthe12thfloor-stan-twitter-gif-3446111347746334272

[shell hazel]

used my last chip but 0 gems spent this season

my whale spent a few hundred maybe

[tropic summit]

you couldn't resist the snipe

[shell hazel]

tbh it's good for xp as well

learning what works/what doesn't has it's own value

[tropic summit]

sounds good

[shell hazel]

jackal/blanc p1/p2 against vesti indom worked well with biscuit

[tropic summit]

only you know your true teams potential anyway

[shell hazel]

both go immune so vesti nuke ineffective

that one went like I expected

blood suggestion so thanks @swift mango 🙂

[lone sequoia]

first time CA and i will lose in group stage

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/cbz-gif-27104348

[grand plaza]

It should suck to be in your bracket lol

Btw isn't Cindy on p1 supposed to be no no

[shell hazel]

it's cindy tech

[tropic summit]

that's my garbo team don't worry

[shell hazel]

it's planned dw

[lone sequoia]

depends in comp

[tropic summit]

no chance to win against that one as i skipped

the other 2 teams he's running are way more viable

[gritty ridge]

I got kicked out of ca

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-next-time-gif-9388561

[shell hazel]

oh unlucky but we can get there on next run 🙂

[gritty ridge]

And its all because of some guy who has never been tp ca a single time

Every night he attacks me when I go offline

[tropic summit]

probably one of the last times i'll see this in my bracket anyway, CP difference is still making him nearly immune

[shell hazel]

keep investing and pushing you'll beat em unless they big spending

[gritty ridge]

Theyre 50 sync higher than me

[tropic summit]

the more cores/advantage he gets, the more we bayonara

[lone sequoia]

yep, 35% deficit is not fun

[gritty ridge]

Theyre actually terrible at pvp tho

[tropic summit]

meaningless

[gritty ridge]

They just spend alot of money

[shell hazel]

it was nice whilst it lasted and your replays against them gave me joy 😄

[tropic summit]

ran the same as last time, just a tad better as i optimized with high lvl temperance

alice rh jackal died to link
blanc bursted and died
scar bursted and indommed her way out

other team just sacc and kill

[shell hazel]

they must be wondering how you're doing it lmao

[tropic summit]

dude was on monitoring it

he saw himself dropping live

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-buffer-ladies-and-gentlemen-we-are-live-live-ufc-mma-gif-25761115

couldn't do anything about it

oh lol I forgot to do my rookies before reset was distracted

[tropic summit]

he was ready to hit back

how sad, 64 levels ahead and still need to try and counter snipe

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-pubg-loading-sniper-reload-gif-15505006

[tropic summit]

dude can't stay away from ch1 for 10 minutes

[shell hazel]

why else are they spending so much to take it ? 😛

btw trina SR-15

[tropic summit]

i think he's gonna lose it soon to my ch3, he literally outwhaling him

crazy sh*t the amount of money these 3 in my bracket are throwing at the game

[shell hazel]

yeah honestly that just isn't worth it when you can still into CA without doing that...

[tropic summit]

the only reasoning i can think of is that since they don't mald campaign, they need the CP to keep up with whoever is in their server maldin'

[shell hazel]

if my whale pulls ahead like that I'll just let em, keep poking them whilst I can

[tropic summit]

as they don't seem to hit high deficit in HM pushing

[shell hazel]

nah I notice the spenders often behind a bit in HM

me and topyro both pushed pretty hard but I think it's because we're not hyper spending on levels

rather more free outpost income where we can

[silent grotto]

how good is vesti for pvp?

[tropic summit]

alternative to emilia indom, similar playstyle

overall good as she can work in both atk and defense

good pressure as 2RL indom on def

[silent grotto]

any requirements for her investment?

[tropic summit]

go@shell hazel i'm not familiar with her OLs requirement on ammo

[shell hazel]

it's not 100% clear tbh even now, and she's still missing from nikke.work

[wicked horizon]

@wind kelp There's a problem.

With 4th place being afk, you're now standing between me and CA.

[shell hazel]

but CS benefits her some, as does ammo and atk %

10% CS with 16 ammo and 4 x atk % should be a reasonable goal and is what I'd like

[tropic summit]

alternate between each others, 1 season each? or declare war

[shell hazel]

lets her fire longer into indom without reload, doesn't overcommit to CS % or ammo %

[silent grotto]

i see then i know what im going for then, thx a lot

[wicked horizon]

Well he got this last one. I don't think anyone even succeeded in attacking him for more than half the season.

[shell hazel]

I had a thing hold on, and depends what you want to use her for

[tropic summit]

what's 16 ammo tho, 2 OLs on 40-60%?

[shell hazel]

her ammo is 8 by default

[gritty ridge]

Jackal can finally have gloves

[shell hazel]

it's + 100%

[silent grotto]

was thinking of maybe trying her in champion

[shell hazel]

20 ammo is perhaps even better but I dunno if I'd screw with lines too much for it

[tropic summit]

oh so potentially 1 line on 40 and 1 on 60

[shell hazel]

yeah, you also want ammo in multiples of 4

as she charges => fires 4 rockets. if you have say 14 ammo, she'll do that 3 times then fire last 2 shots and reload

[wicked horizon]

You need at least 1 blue or black line for 20 ammo with 2 ammo lines.
A total of 25 tiers. So T11 + T14 for example.

[shell hazel]

4 + 4 + 4 + 2

have to be careful with other ammo sources

siren b1 adds ammo, bastion, noir etc

[tropic summit]

so 3 ammo OLs non blue/black seems like the realistic easier target

[shell hazel]

https://x.com/usaniku_niku/status/1958875799697657987?s=46&t=6N1ufrFA_HjVxTQVaO5qEA

しょうご (@USANIKU_NIKU)

ベスティー
Danielさんと長時間
特殊な射撃レートで大変だった
19%や10%は現環境だと魅力的です

速度を使ってくれる皆さん感謝です！
動画などでも使ってくれる指揮官の方々にも恩返ししたいところ
ありがてぇことです…
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X · Aug 22, 2025, 12:55 PM

it's in jpn but can sort of work out what they're saying

to fire shots 17-20 in indom window needs 20 ammo and 10-19% CS

I think 19% CS is costly and if you didn't want to go too deep, 2-3 ammo rolls, 2 x decent CS rolls and rest on atk should give you a very usable vesti for indom or straight noah protected dps

keripo has an insane 2RL RH vesti/emi comp that most won't be able to meet (doesn't use any CS here just raw atk)

[tropic summit]

yeah don't bother using him as a benchmark

it's unrealistic when he's on synchro 900+

most ppl will be around 300-500

it's very easy to burn out after those levels, i guess quite a bit quit by then

[shell hazel]

yeah so my other suggestion I think is more reasonable

much easier to roll for and still very good I think

[lone sequoia]

3cs+full dmg

work in most teams

or just full dmg for 2.5rl or slower teams

[shell hazel]

yep depends how you want to use her

what teams you cooking up for CA Nesso?

[lone sequoia]

i saw rakuen with one of my older teams and i will try that

[gritty ridge]

Would this be a good variation of nero stall?

She adds basically another rapu worth of heal

[shell hazel]

nah bay does nothing here

[lone sequoia]

my units will die fast, low core count in some critical units

[lone sequoia]

i want that team but no bay dupe

[shell hazel]

did you do treaasure bay?

[lone sequoia]

should be the same as normal DR team, but with extra healing, the thing is that i don't know someone with good ammo and cs values, only 1 mirror match and that team lost because factors like it was DEF against a helm on atk and rapu with low ammo

[gritty ridge]

This is her only offburst skill

[shell hazel]

you'd be better off building mana

she can at least res someone and has heals too

[lone sequoia]

it could work against some teams, sames as other DR versions, the thing is how you win against mirror, need specifict OL effects

[shell hazel]

and maybe has some pve use but mana is another unit I lack building of and I built a lot of pvp units :p

[lone sequoia]

i hate mana but people just use her tro try to win against some SG or scarlet teams

[gritty ridge]

So is bay just mainly stuck to the budget stall then?

[shell hazel]

I think bay isn't that useful tbh

same as poli seems both a bit meh

[gritty ridge]

She can catch scar with infinite dmg

[shell hazel]

especially if you invested in stall comp already for nero/moran

[lone sequoia]

no, it is a more expensive option that work

[gritty ridge]

The budget stall

[lone sequoia]

treasure bay is easier to use compared to normal bay, and the cores are not a problem with her heals

2RL is fine

[gritty ridge]

Im just hoping we get a new battery soon

[shell hazel]

yeah she works fine there, and could be a good option for CA if you don't want to build nero

[gritty ridge]

How long has it been since last battery drop?

[shell hazel]

trina

[gritty ridge]

<@&946725432554836008>

[fathom rock]

Oh spa ended

[gritty ridge]

Yup

[dim escarp]

besti ready

[shell hazel]

damn nice initial roll 🙂

[gritty ridge]

24% cs?

[dim escarp]

she def do more damage lol

[shell hazel]

I'm OL last piece for her now, well... tomorrow prob lol

[dim escarp]

[shell hazel]

I didn't get any rolls that good to start with though

[gritty ridge]

Its a shame vesti is so far down my list of investments

[shell hazel]

yeah you need solid batteries more than her for now I think

you can skimp on some a bit though like SR anis

just put her somewhere safu

[dim escarp]

if you ask for mine, I still need to done S.Doro for UR before fetch CS on my pvp units

[gritty ridge]

Anis is my last battery to get invested tbh

[dim escarp]

sh'ell be build eventually

[gritty ridge]

Ill eventually have 15% cs on all my batteries

[shell hazel]

I will do some min invest on anis but nothing crazy mainly go for CS %

[fathom rock]

If hime wins this time I'll do something bad

[lone sequoia]

good luck

[gritty ridge]

Im starting with jackal cs%, then noah

[shell hazel]

will take a while I have a list of stuff to do before then 😄

[fathom rock]

@umbral belfry

[gritty ridge]

Im reluctant to touch Helms rolls

[dim escarp]

left: pvp account / right f2p account

[lone sequoia]

wasted like 150 rocks trying to get cs on her

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

check out how many SR-15 dolls I got now

[lone sequoia]

only got 2 rolls

[gritty ridge]

Helm im scared because she needs 12/12 lines basically

[lone sequoia]

helm is probably my most expensive unit... around 300 rocks and only 2 cs

[gritty ridge]

My cindy has abt 60 rocks and a total of 6 lines

[lone sequoia]

yep still need 2 cs first lines

[candid pivot]

I think SP arena glitched for me before reset

[gritty ridge]

Oh, 7 lines

[candid pivot]

I checked like 2 minutes before reset I was rank 24 and then my points accumulated was also in the top 30 and it gave me gems for the bracket behind that what kind of bs lol

[shell hazel]

no it won't have done, time in rank = points

points get auto collected if you don't collect them, but you won't see that

[lone sequoia]

the rewards depends on the ranking points, some people can keep their points and the game will auto claim when season ends

[shell hazel]

in essence you didn't spend enough time at the better ranks to get it

every minute at X rank gives you points, so sniping a higher rank last second doesn't do much except start you there next season beginning

[gritty ridge]

Hippo, whats standard indom scar team

Scar, blanc, rh, battery, jackal?

[shell hazel]

scar blanc rh centi/xmaiden jackal

[candid pivot]

my point accumulation was thousands ahead of most players unless they got hidden points the system didn't show and dropped me like 10 ranks

[shell hazel]

it's not 2RL though by default, blanc is slow

[shell hazel]

if they don't collect they auto collect them all at season end

[gritty ridge]

Yeah, its just a good defense team when your bracket doesnt know what they're doing

[lone sequoia]

that is how it is

[shell hazel]

if they didn't collect for days then you can't tell

[candid pivot]

ah, I guess maybe some players were slacking and it just accumulated them and dropped me man they must've had some serious slackers then lol.

[shell hazel]

you just need to worry about your own rank and the points associated with it

other players collecting or not won't change the final ranks

the points don't cap

[gritty ridge]

I spent a little too much time out of top 4 this season cuz shuffle put a new contender for my spot

[shell hazel]

I'm spa 1 or 2 all season long, let's assume I just collected points day 1 and then slacked on doing it for the rest

[half grail]

How much difference in dps is VesTac stronger than SBS for PvP?

[shell hazel]

you'd see my points as being really low, but at season end all those points get auto collected and suddenly I'm rank 1 or 2 in the final rankings

there is no voodoo there the system is just giving you the points you've earnt

[half grail]

Is she like way above her or pretty close

[shell hazel]

vesti has no real weakness like SBS does (biscuit + defender) so she's better imo

[gritty ridge]

Id say vesti indom wins more matchups than sbs indom

[shell hazel]

SBS go byebye, hello vesti

[pallid gate]

how was viper and also poli for pvp after got fav item on pvp?

[half grail]

Ohh the weakness I see

[gritty ridge]

Viper treasure will brick her, poli is decent

[half grail]

How does VesTac compare to Cinderella?

[pallid gate]

should i build those 2 just in case lol

[half grail]

I’m gonna mlb VesTac then

[pallid gate]

oh and how was the new vesti

[shell hazel]

she's more compred with emilia or sbs than cindy I'd say

[pallid gate]

is she become great for pvp?

[shell hazel]

like some kind of emi/sbs hybrid thing

[gritty ridge]

She can be used with noah but then again so can just abt everyone

[half grail]

It’s just Emilia still has better burst gen though right?

[shell hazel]

yes though vesti is cheaper to build

[half grail]

Perfect I’ll see where I can put her since I’ve been building her up

[pallid gate]

so new vesti is great for pvp?

[gritty ridge]

I like how vesti just gave my bready more food next CA im in

[gritty ridge]

Yes

[half grail]

Yes she’s good

[pallid gate]

mhmm, time to check on her

[half grail]

That’s the reason I pulled her lol I asked here first

[pallid gate]

how goes the other 2

that together with vesti

[half grail]

I gonna build her better than my SBS an Emilia than

[gritty ridge]

Im trying to find a use for Emma but its not looking great

[pallid gate]

i believe more towards solo raid

[gritty ridge]

For solo raid only eunwha is particularly good, vesti is underperforming

But eunwha and Emma go together

[shell hazel]

i'm just wishlisting the other two and hoping for the best lol

mlb vesti is what I went for

[gritty ridge]

So far the only use i could find for Emma is link her with jackal for feed

[pallid gate]

well, i guess pvp is just vesti, then for solo raid purpose/ elysion tower will go for all

for maximum effect, like evangalion

[shell hazel]

4/10/10 skills (7/10/10 later for cp pad but her skill 1 isn't that necessary)

[pallid gate]

i think i will try to clear as much stuff as possible for vesti MLB

[shell hazel]

even a copy is fine though if you're short on resources

remember she's long term/wishlist

I went for mlb as I could do it but there is a lot of stuff coming still

[pallid gate]

well new collab in check

and who knows they could be next emilia lol

[shell hazel]

yeah exactly so don't overcommit

also if you get a copy vesti banner runs a bit, should have better idea of what is next nearer the end

[pallid gate]

as i got like a bunch of EX stage on story side didn't clear

easy 300 gems, and addition of bond story

[shell hazel]

yeah it is, only 1 pull per ex stage though

[gritty ridge]

Hippo is there any reason youd want everyone to attack p5?

Or any specific position really

[shell hazel]

unprotected/only possible burst?

[pallid gate]

i got like from chap 20 to end of chapter on hard mode still not cleared

[gritty ridge]

I mean attack your team

[pallid gate]

can used as emergency funds

[shell hazel]

ros sac? otherwise not really

[gritty ridge]

I am trying very hard to find a use for Emma tac

[shell hazel]

she's be too slow

[gritty ridge]

This is as far as I got

[shell hazel]

surely you'd want her to burst otherwise why is she there?

[gritty ridge]

Guarantee jackal feed? Idk

Im trying to salvage a bad unit

[shell hazel]

she has no pvp use case really I think 😛

just copium haha

think my stock of level up resources will run out by 381 then my whale will prob shoot ahead

[gritty ridge]

Hippo rate my team

Best team you've ever seen, right?

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-duckling-no-no-way-i-dont-agree-gif-4243311

[tropic summit]

you know how you try your first time cooking something and you tell yourself you gonna be creative and not follow the recipe?

that's the rating

[gritty ridge]

OK but when I do that in real life I get delicious foods

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-the-lies-lies-we-tell-ourselves-suits-smh-gif-16814769

[glad meteor]

I thought this was hime

[gritty ridge]

Im a good cook

[shell hazel]

K did you see my redemption arc?

[gritty ridge]

Food-wise at least

[glad meteor]

Where

[shell hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIWKAcIfM3c

my stall can't win 2 though, just whale tech with the sync and things I think, plus I put moran p1 not p2 but doubt it would have mattered

team 1 was dicy almost had rapu below 30%

team 3 I liked for vesti indom worked well

[glad meteor]

Nice

[glad meteor]

rh second round. Jover

[shell hazel]

yeah

didn't expect to win that one anyway

[vapid lake]

i went the entire season with noone cracking my def yet, nobody in my bracket know how to deal with indom vesti it seems

hope none of them come here to ask for help

[gritty ridge]

Hey theres this penguin guy in my bracket and I cant beat his defenses

[shell hazel]

the word on the street is || rapi ||

[gritty ridge]

[glad meteor]

i did, until rh came blasting all over the screen

[shell hazel]

[vapid lake]

6 different people tried me, all gave up after blowing both their daily attempts

knowledge check

[shell hazel]

[vapid lake]

and i know how to beat my own teams

so if someone else copies me i can beat them

[shell hazel]

that is important I think

[shell hazel]

it should be more manageable in a couple of levels anyway at least until my whale jumps to 421

[vapid lake]

i ran vesti def in rookie arena for a day and watched bunch of ppl kill themselves against it, then i removed it so they can't practice against it

because i run the same thing in sp arena

[shell hazel]

only one person running vesti I can find and I almost cp gap them, it's @dim escarp union mate ysteri

should I send my def against it see what it does? it's outside of deficit

573 min

[dim escarp]

ye we did a pvp session yesterday

[glad meteor]

Data

[shell hazel]

yeah I can send/record for more data 🙂

I'll just send once

[vapid lake]

[dim escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/sr-pelo-mokey-do-it-mickey-mouse-christmas-gif-2120098874549267986

[gritty ridge]

Mica counters siren right?

[dim escarp]

[shell hazel]

it's good

vesti does enough even not fully built

[dim escarp]

[shell hazel]

let me send indom vesti against it for science

this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwZ0mld9kHU

[dim escarp]

ohhh perfect

thx for the data you are the goat

now it's both of you against Void

[gritty ridge]

OK here me out

[dim escarp]

cuz it beat void too

[shell hazel]

void can't beat mine lol, at least not yet

i'll try this one next

[dim escarp]

so now you are two he can't beat

[shell hazel]

yeah 😄

problem with his setup is noah at p1 unless it beats siren stun to burst

without noah then deadge

is it 2RL with enough cs?

[gritty ridge]

Hippo you should try my cool team

[vapid lake]

you might lose because siren will stun the solo indom vesti after everyone else is dead then she has to charge up for attack again

[dim escarp]

well yeah, we did this for atk I didn't know he'll love the compo and put it in def haha

[shell hazel]

lmao siren stopped my vesti indom winning 😄

[vapid lake]

[shell hazel]

yeah figures

anything else you want me to send?

[dim escarp]

holy s lmao

[shell hazel]

oh maybe see if my biscuit ver wins but it's not indom

bear in mind my vesti has no OL rolls yet - no atk lines

she's not fully ready 🙂

[dim escarp]

honestly that's already godlike, even if any siren can stun his noah def lol

[oblique gyro]

pls stop hit me bro i am friendly

[dim escarp]

wonder what he could do

[oblique gyro]

[placid bloom]

[raven plover]

[placid bloom]

Discovered

[dim escarp]

it's for the data

[placid bloom]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-confused-kid-girl-funny-gif-12327826816842475130

[raven plover]

hit him more. for science

[dim escarp]

[shell hazel]

for science?

[dim escarp]

welp

[shell hazel]

indom vesti vid btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISRq5TkVeb0

that siren stun 😄

[dim escarp]

OH lmao

[shell hazel]

it lasts so long it's definitely a weak spot of that one

ok sorry ysteri I'm sending other comp for science, it may lose (i'm OK with losing points!) 😄

[dim escarp]

I think he don't care for real lmao

it's just rookie

[shell hazel]

it's good the noah and biscuit side lasts a while

[dim escarp]

damn

[shell hazel]

nah it's cool I like seeing the data as well

it's more fun when you can see the attacks used on you and how they work too, normally it's forbidden tech

[dim sapphire]

guess ill pair noah with vesti then

[shell hazel]

any other comps you want me to try?

[dim escarp]

not really that's already dope, I guess once they'll find siren stun their noah we'll make some change

thank you for these vids

[shell hazel]

one more vid to come just uploading it

[dim escarp]

that's the one with blanc

[shell hazel]

umm woops one sec 😄

yeah I think stunning noah is the biggest weakness there but not sure how you fix it

[dim escarp]

yup it's hard :/

[gritty ridge]

Mica b1

[dim escarp]

and he kinda invest for UR atm so CS is not on top priority

[shell hazel]

if you think of anything else you want me to send shout me here I'll do so, but probably after tomorrow reset

[dim escarp]

he don't even have Mica

[gritty ridge]

Rip

Use ade

[shell hazel]

alt would actually be sora imo

[vapid lake]

Stun his noah too and just one shot him

[shell hazel]

yeah that is the major weakness

[vapid lake]

[shell hazel]

with that standard 2 or 2.5RL noah/cindy wins it

[gritty ridge]

Oh yeah sora would work

[shell hazel]

this would prevent stun

[tropic summit]

where's the rosanna

[shell hazel]

you want ros test?

[tropic summit]

just delete vesti and helmt

[dim escarp]

[shell hazel]

scar trina ros centi jackal?

[gritty ridge]

Sora is lower gen than mica and no atk buff

But she dispells

[tropic summit]

even better would be to delete siren tho

[shell hazel]

my scar might be bricked but as long as noah doesn't block my ros should do something

[tropic summit]

scar trina rh helmt jackal and pray scar s2 + 2 snipers is enough

[shell hazel]

I will link rh and helmt there

[tropic summit]

oh even better sacc scarlet

[shell hazel]

100%

[tropic summit]

scarlet ross helmt rh jackal

is ross linked?

[shell hazel]

ok we trying this, sorry @oblique gyro 😄

yeah she will link good atk

[tropic summit]

chances are siren dies to that

[shell hazel]

I may need to remove a cube or two

581 min

[tropic summit]

i imagine you tested it already but siren doesn't stun noah in time?

they got 11%CS?

[shell hazel]

I don't think they'd dodge it

[gritty ridge]

Im gonna try this next CA with cs on noah