pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

assuming you'd win anyway, i doubt you can def afterward

[mystic wind]

im standing at top 6 regularly and he's the lowest amongst the top 5

i guess i have to be satisfied with top 6

[tropic summit]

others are even worse than this guy uh?

but yeah, your main issue here would be defense rather than offense, although it's hard at least on attack you can commit to two teams... def they'd just steamroll it sadly

[mystic wind]

others are 2.6mil ++

he's 2.4mil

[tropic summit]

mhm rip

[glad meteor]

I don’t get it no more.

[mystic wind]

yeah previous bracket i can steadily finish top 3 but after reset this is just insane

[tropic summit]

le rookie warfare

[mystic wind]

the gap is just too much

[glad meteor]

Gems wasted for what. A couple rookie tickets 🧌

[vernal plume]

help me beat this loser please thank you

someone

[tropic summit]

14,1% CP difference on first team, so that one could go through

[vernal plume]

no

that team is for some reason unreasonably good

[tropic summit]

you mean you still died with scar jack against 3 SGs?

[vernal plume]

i didnt use that team

[tropic summit]

oh alrighty

[vernal plume]

but the team i did use still should have won

[tropic summit]

oki, checking their T2 and T3 let's see which is weaker, T1 is scar-jackable

[rich quail]

Take Biscuit out of team 1 and put her with Noah

[glad meteor]

et back to pvp

[rich quail]

No, I’m retired

[tropic summit]

the return of the warrior

[rich quail]

PTSD

Don’t mind the drool

That’s part of the PTSD

[tropic summit]

T1 is scar-jackal weak
T2 is p1 defender + biscuit weak (will hardcounter SBS dmg output)
T3 is 3RL noah weak, your current team is CP gapped although, need to raise CP

[glad meteor]

Need defender taunter for t2

[vernal plume]

so what should i do

[rich quail]

Team 2 put in Noah Biscuit and make sure team is a tad slower than opponent

Do you have Emilia?

[vernal plume]

not invested at all

[rich quail]

Cindy may work

[tropic summit]

post your box, we can take a better look 🤔

[rich quail]

Invest in Emilia if you want to win in pvp

[glad meteor]

Noah bisc sanis maybe

[rich quail]

SAnis is a great choice

[ashen ocean]

teams work great but definitely will need some investments, i have just 2 questions : where would Scarlet be slotted when i get her ? and is my current Rookie team (Blanc/Emilia/RH/Biscuit/Jackal) good until i get Scarlet ?

[tropic summit]

for scarlet, we could make an adhoc team with jackal, as emi on defense is generally a weaker choice
for rookie, same reasoning, although you've got a lot of options (cindy nuke, s.anis stall etc)

[ashen ocean]

got it, thank you

[tropic summit]

make these 2 teams and check if CP is enough

we could rotate T3 to face T2 instead if CP sucks for T3 🤔

[vernal plume]

t3 has been the biggest pain in my arse tbh

so pissed i got to rank 11 and then this loser sniped me out of nowhere

[tropic summit]

well it should work the same way with noah taunting SBS and on biscuit invulnerability, correct? @rich quail @glad meteor

[vernal plume]

lemme try

[worthy knoll]

but he won 🏃‍♂️💨

[vernal plume]

no shit hes 20 lvls above me

like pick on someone ur own size bro

[worthy knoll]

Yeah just 20 lvls above

[vernal plume]

thats a cp jump from 401 and 421

[worthy knoll]

[lone sequoia]

we have people beating guys at +5sync tier higher (81~100lvs)

[vernal plume]

[vernal plume]

i beat some guy 70 lvls above me

he then couldnt win back

but this other guy is giving me more trouble somehow

[rich quail]

sync doesn’t matter much

It’s cp and unit investment

[vernal plume]

kinda does

especially in my case since they have lvl and investment, im a returner

[lone sequoia]

is all about the cp deficit and stats debuff

[vernal plume]

okay wtf

so my cindy hit every decoy and he hit me every time

make it make sense

[bleak shale]

tell that to this guy

[tropic summit]

synchro lvl 701

[bleak shale]

could prob beat my ass with 5 rare nikkes

[lone sequoia]

the highest lvl right now is like 840?

[tropic summit]

numbers i can't even imagine

[bleak shale]

854 i think

[rich quail]

All max

[vernal plume]

only 600k on team 3

note my sanis also has 2 ammo lines that i cant get rid of

[tropic summit]

gapped by 15,3% against T2, gonna need to tweak with a bit more CP

[vernal plume]

might just try t2 with a diff team ?

something to counter noah

[rich quail]

Biscuit + defender

[tropic summit]

try this one, rapu has more CP than noise

[rich quail]

Counters SBS

[tropic summit]

yeah noah in p1 and biscuit in p3, noah taunts aswell should match the requirement right?

[prisma marlin]

TY Man!

[vernal plume]

[rich quail]

I believe so, works quite well for me

[vernal plume]

[tropic summit]

you fought on deficit?

[vernal plume]

replaced sanis with cindy

[tropic summit]

oh oke doke

[vernal plume]

thank you man

[tropic summit]

[vernal plume]

[rich quail]

It was probably easier to block opp Scar burst than Cindy’s

Not sure why opp decided to have both on the same team

[tropic summit]

auto and yolo

[vernal plume]

backup if scarlet dies i guess, seemed to work more than once

[rich quail]

If Jackal linked, Scar isn’t dying so quickly unless he has investment problems

[vernal plume]

i mean if everyone else died

cindy would stay alive and clutch

which is what happened

idk the mechanics of it but

[rich quail]

As @tropic summit said, he probably autoed

cp team

[tropic summit]

yeah seems more of a weird attempt of throwing something together that still hits 3RL

and pad as much as possible at it

[glad meteor]

? I was away

[worthy knoll]

Hmm can you only challenge diamond 1 and not challenger from diamond 2? 🤔

[lone sequoia]

c9(?

[worthy knoll]

Haven't experienced going that low so I'm not sure who is in the target range base on rank position

[glad meteor]

Y’all won.

[worthy knoll]

Do we have like a guide for that?

[fiery aurora]

Yo i need advice for sp arena.

[lone sequoia]

3 ranks above your current rank

[glad meteor]

You can hit 3 ranks above

[tropic summit]

oh it worked out, thanks for earlier

[tropic summit]

shoot, we're all ears

[worthy knoll]

Do diamond 2 can hit d1, c10, c9?

[glad meteor]

Yah

[tropic summit]

dia1 can hit ch10-ch9-ch8 iirc

dia2 up to ch9 i think?

[worthy knoll]

So from diamond 4 and below, can't hit any challenger

[tropic summit]

yeah definitely

[fiery aurora]

Oh thanks, anyways am struggling to go beyond diamond 7, i have teams that i randomly put together that I thought would work together But i would like to get proper feedback and suggestions

[tropic summit]

hmm ok, post your box ordered by strength and we can see if you're bricked or if we can work something out

unless you took long breaks, you should've a chance to climb

[lone sequoia]

they patched that thing, when you drop ranks and didn't refresh the people

[fiery aurora]

Ya let me just switch to my pc so i can better snip it.

[glad meteor]

Reminds me about that bug where someone could hit way above their ranks when the game was still new

[worthy knoll]

I did it once, it was a bummer they patched it too quick

[lone sequoia]

the game didn't ask you to refresh the info about teams or ranks before an attack/hit, you could drop some ranks and attack people way above your current rank and just swap

[tropic summit]

good times for those climbing, bad times for those defending

[lone sequoia]

good times to make people waste their gems

[tropic summit]

you don't have a jackal or rumani hidden down there right?

[tropic summit]

also... nier collab but synchro lvl 315

might be a bit tough but you can try i guess

[fiery aurora]

Ya? but i don't use her.

[tropic summit]

nah it's more about level and progression, you probably took a break i think

[tropic summit]

ah there it is

you can put jackal in synchro, we can use her

[fiery aurora]

To be frank i have everyone but the chainsaw man collab

[fiery aurora]

Ok

[rich quail]

Yeah, develop Jackal, Emil and Biscuit (if you have her)

[fathom rock]

3rl icbm to counter this?

[rich quail]

Noah also a necessity

[tropic summit]

you can go for these

T1: scarlet blanc rh noir jackal
T2: centi cind pepper anis laplace+
T3: noise noah rapu sbs drake

rookie team

noah centi cind laplace+ jackal

as for cubes:

use quantum on jackal, centi, anis
use vigor on blanc rapu and noise
use temperance on noah

[fiery aurora]

:/
I did say i have everyone but a certain collab
and i mean it

[rich quail]

Yeah you got the units for sure

Just need to build them up if you want to make pvp a better experience

[fiery aurora]

Got it

[tropic summit]

seems like they're still on 3RL, albeit of very little

so the answer would be yes

[fiery aurora]

Which anis? the summer one or the sr one?

I assume the summer one

[tropic summit]

anis is the SR one, s.anis would be the summer one

[worthy knoll]

It more like good times for the prankster.. dropping some1 from C1 to Diamond4 in just one battle

[tropic summit]

oh yeah real bully there

[rich quail]

SR Anis needs Quantum

[tropic summit]

just to clarify anis SR is a battery for burst gen, s.anis is used for different purposes

[rich quail]

SR Anis also weaker than normal units, so be careful not to put her in a team with Blanc, because she may steal Blanc’s indom

[wise horizon]

Help me win please!

[tropic summit]

looks like you can ICBM on 2nd team and scar-jack T3

CP for your ICBM is kinda on the low side tho

nvm you're in range

[strong hull]

@tropic summit cooking time

Brick emi + dia 3 ig 3 defs is ok

[tropic summit]

less synch level than me but with emi is indeed already a bad sign

[strong hull]

Ye he begging for a 3 defs idk what to do lol

[tropic summit]

remind him he's got a lot of bricks to drag with him

[vapid lake]

Uhh tell him to pretend the pvp button doesnt exist

[tropic summit]

emi blanc rh alice jackal
centi naga cind pepper noise
noah biscuit rapu s.anis noir

quantum on jackal, centi
vigor on blanc, rapu, biscuit
temperance on noah
resil on s.anis, s.anis must be lvl 9 burst skill, else use SBS instead

[strong hull]

Finally i can sleep in peace

Ty Rail-chan.

[vapid lake]

[tropic summit]

aye, had it too in rookie, match at least still went through

although i fear that one was in SP

[vapid lake]

i want to watch cindy one shot my enemy!!

[wise horizon]

Blanc team on T2?

[tropic summit]

yeah something like this

if you've grave, poli or xanne invested they're better than naga for buffing scarlet nuke, although naga boosts your CP probably

13% CP deficit in your favour on T3 so it's probably fine as is

[bleak shale]

have u guys ever had a thought that u want to put rng into ur arena and use tove + shotguns praying u get 3 stacks within the first 1s i wonder how many shots sg could get

[swift mango]

3 rank above you. So C10 could be hit by Diamond 3.

Diamond 1 could hit up to ch8.

Ch7 is the start of the staple Challenge rank

[tribal ravine]

can someone help me make a third team? just got jackal, but dont really know who to put around her.

[glad meteor]

Scar jacked unless cores

[keen vapor]

Past summer at 213 synch

No, there's Kilo

[keen vapor]

Are you fighting to enter Diamond rank? Can you get to diamond 9?

[swift mango]

Why diamond 9? diamond 10 is enough to be on map.

[keen vapor]

Wasn't the breakpoint in rewards top90? Even so, the higher, the more secure you have a position

[swift mango]

Start cooking!

[keen vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/charlotte-tomori-nao-anime-gif-23622137

Fiiiiineeeeee

[keen vapor]

I'd like to know Moran investment btw...

[swift mango]

How was the result? I'm curious. That team can be anywhere from 2rl to 3rl defending on investment...

[swift mango]

From what you have left you could go

Maiden+Liter+SBS+Centi+Jackal

But, better to rebuild 3 teams altogether.

[keen vapor]

Something like this

[wise horizon]

Thanks. I barely won and tried again when he knocked me down and lost on T2 😦

[obtuse crest]

Bruh i have question about cube in Scarlett,grave,rh,bsoda (my soda don't build so must build her for now?), Naga cube, cinderela,xmaiden,emi,and ein cube

And what mean about extra battery and promote 2.5rl/2rl i don't understand too this

[keen vapor]

Highest level cube

Mainly Resilience

[obtuse crest]

Are this worth to build bsoda? What skill i use her in pvp? Im never use her

Are my quantum cube must lvl 7 for centi? (Now my quantum just lvl 5) and resilince (lvl 9),Vigor (lvl 4),another cube is lvl 4

So what i must focus upgrade next cube

[glad meteor]

scalter team requres hp manipulation though. Noahless

Skip
Noise blanc scalter centi jackal
Rumani grave biscuit cindirella emilia

[keen vapor]

Soda is just there for being a burst battery, you can invest her for raid(like 7/7/7 for example)

[obtuse crest]

Next what cube i must upgrade btw?

[keen vapor]

How's Bastion

[obtuse crest]

Lvl 5

[keen vapor]

I'd say get it to level 7 for Rapi

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

._.

But why

[umbral crown]

For fun

[latent girder]

can i get some help on teams for pvp

🙏

[quick lake]

Can send ur entire box!

[latent girder]

Wasn’t there a page to put my box? I play on my phone so it’s a lot of images and the bot doesn’t allow me to send that many

[quick lake]

U can change to horizontal mode, then screenshot from there

[latent girder]

Didn’t knew that was an option lol thx

[umbral crown]

📦

[obtuse crest]

Ok

[quick lake]

T1: Noise Centi Cindy Noir Rapunzel
T2: Blanc SAnis Biscuit Sugar Anis
T3: Auto

[latent girder]

Alright thanks man

[quick lake]

🧱

[umbral crown]

Thats echo

[quick lake]

[umbral crown]

Did you see he opened some boxes to 341?

[quick lake]

Oh really?? Less bricked then

[umbral crown]

Was about time

[umbral belfry]

Anyway for me to beat this? I keep losing in def

[keen vapor]

No jackal?

[umbral belfry]

Nope

[keen vapor]

Deadge

[umbral belfry]

F

[glad meteor]

CP def xmaiden team and kill dkw on t2 maybe

[quick lake]

T1: Moran Noise Blanc SBS Centi
T2: Skip
T3: Auto ur 5 highest cp units

Their T1 has no burst 1 and their T3 cp is super low, can just CP diff

[graceful grotto]

what do you have?

[umbral belfry]

i'll try thanks!

still ded

just T1 and T2

[round pilot]

Does this team work if I replace Pepper with Rumani againt my opponent?

I killed ASS but then Rap revive her

[coarse lake]

double buff xmaiden (jackal buff better than rh here) vs 0 sustain (their noise b1 wasn't in time)

rapipi does a lot more dmg, issue is feed

only reason it works against scar is bc scar self dmg and attacker being squishy, so link is on lower hp side

even then against beefy scar it might fail unbuffed

[swift mango]

Well, idk, it was supposed to nuke 2 attacker Jackal link... Not this kind of link... Good test though.

Idk if Jackal > RH though...

[coarse lake]

a lot more dmg from shooting range test

maiden is half atk scaling, and already gives herself a ton of atk

[worthy knoll]

You might have killed it

[swift mango]

Well, enemies there have like zero def.

[worthy knoll]

If your indom didn't go to Emi

But to XMaiden

[coarse lake]

then that means rh has advantage in shooting range

nah maiden won't kill them on time before indom runs out

[worthy knoll]

Hp

[coarse lake]

double invuln noah

[worthy knoll]

Buff

The one targetted by indom get an HP buff

[coarse lake]

eh....

[worthy knoll]

XMaiden scale on HP is pretty high

Compared to even Cindy

[gaunt viper]

well at the very least I'm finally not going below 4th

[swift mango]

This is really something to think about

Gotta make sure Blanc goes to XMaiden if I ever used them together.

[coarse lake]

if maiden gets hp buff, maybe kills noise, likely not cindy jackal due to higher hp, 25% more final dmg

at that point it's triple buff maiden maybe killing no sustain link

also I lose splash dmg by swapping of emilia

maiden ain't cutting it against anything other than scar link

need the attacker hp and especially self dmg

[worthy knoll]

The heck you talking about

[quick lake]

Did u fight against T1 and T3? cause u shold skip opponent’s Team 2

[worthy knoll]

I posted was SAnis link

Supporter is not tanky?

[swift mango]

You were also under 40 level gapped by enemies. Yeah, I wouldn't be doing this attack.

[coarse lake]

then it's due to invest diff on both sides, making it inconsistent for most

[worthy knoll]

Its the same, investment issues in the end

[coarse lake]

that makes it not a reliably counter

[quick lake]

Mid Maiden

[coarse lake]

just need to find a way to somehow make rapipi not feed

rapipi with just jackal buff and about 75% ele does 2.6x as much as triple buff maiden

unbuffed will 1 tap entire link

[worthy knoll]

It never was a reliable counter to begin with, coz you need an exposed linked unit first and for most. Having Noah at P1 already negates it

[swift mango]

I would only do this if the linked b3s are attacker.

I already failed to kill liter lol.

[quick lake]

Scarlet usually P1 though

[keen vapor]

My Maiden with 1 attack line will do

[coarse lake]

mine has 23% atk ol btw

need triple buff + max burst to probably barely kill it

[keen vapor]

[coarse lake]

I did test laplace

but gave up immediately after seeing dmg in shooting range, even with ele

not even half that of maiden

[swift mango]

You could always use XMaiden to kill Scarlet link just fine. No problem.

It's just this test was pushing the limit.

[coarse lake]

rapipi is the best "sniper", rosa and miden depend heavily on invest, laplace the worst

each tier is like at least 2x more dmg than the last

well dmg in terms of dealing with linked

rosa dmg is trash if she couldn't dispel

everyone else dealing with dmg divided by 3

[swift mango]

Rapipi is the worse Sniper. You need speed when she is slow af

[coarse lake]

she's the best in dmg

problem is, unless they ain't using noah, you ain't sniping them

[swift mango]

You can't call it snipe when they already burst before you...

[coarse lake]

here's what they need for p1 snipe:

1. jackal
2. p1 linked

[swift mango]

[coarse lake]

so unless they're slower than 3rl, your 2rl rapipi ain't nuking before their noah if they got quantums

if rapipi was like rl or even sr, she would be so broken

[swift mango]

2RL Rapipi would be without buff. So worse than XMaiden

[coarse lake]

no

much much higher dmg if you got good ele, higher even without

lemme test rn with no ele

for reference triple buff maiden is 10mil, double buff is 8mil

[graceful grotto]

wdym T1 no burst?

[keen vapor]

MG is the most drill-like weapon here

[coarse lake]

rapipi 13mil double buff

no ele advantage

[graceful grotto]

for your T1, did SBS enter burst? did oppo scarlet kill you before u kill her?

[swift mango]

[umbral crown]

[quick lake]

Ah my mistake. I forgot Tia doesnt count as B1 so opponent's Rapi is used as B1 here

[umbral belfry]

i fought against all 3, i didn't know there was a skip option?

[swift mango]

Did your XMaiden equipped with Vigor cube? It's also good dmg buff.

[coarse lake]

my resil, 4 lvls higher

cube isn't making a difference

[swift mango]

Worse even if 4 lv higher

[quick lake]

When facing opponent's team 2, you can just leave 1 nikke there as a "throwaway team".
So your main teams are T1 and T3 as I have suggested

[coarse lake]

the third buff is 32% hp, and even that isn't enough

cube makes 0 difference here, maybe lets me get away with a lvl 9 burst instead of 10

[umbral belfry]

OHHH, i just assume skipped = you're doomed gg. i'm out of tickets so i'll try at reset. thanks!

[coarse lake]

which I'm not doing just for this

[umbral crown]

all teams have B1, Tia + Rapipi

[swift mango]

One day I will have my Rapipi nuke, one day.

[umbral crown]

but one night

or afternoon

[swift mango]

Maybe evening

[umbral crown]

si

[quick lake]

T1: Blanc SBS Centi Drake Noise
T2: Skip
T3: Auto ur 5 highest cp units. Ensure that your your CP/Opponents CP > 20%. When ur CP is more than >1.15x than opponent's CP, opponent's get a stat penalty and do less dmg. With ur CP should be doable

Edited the teams! Can give these teams a try tmr. Ping me if u need any more help

Why xmaiden copium let her be a burst gen 💤

[eternal finch]

@tropic summit @keen vapor dang, the DEF comp didn't work.

[keen vapor]

You need to invest units

All of our PVP units are overloaded

[keen vapor]

Not to mention level diff can wreck you

[swift mango]

Thanks for the test. It was very informative.

[swift mango]

Just like your own def comp.

[dim flame]

Can someone help me assemble a good Special arena team of 15? Here's my nikke list

[quasi prism]

my buddy rolled all 3 preferred stats on rapi few mins ago

I'm jelly D:

[quick lake]

Heard u opened some of ur boxes less bricked 🧱

[keen vapor]

[quasi prism]

Legit he just ol'd the piece 2 rolls later done

Me watching this live

https://tenor.com/view/slam-gif-25498566

[graceful grotto]

Maybe

Blanc SBS Noir Liter Jackal
Centi Biscuit Rapunzel Cinderella XMaiden
Noah Ein Rapi:RH Bsoda Drake

[dim flame]

Aight I don't really know much about arena team building so Imma follow your recipe. thanks

[grizzled bone]

You guys using Fapi as your B1s?

[graceful grotto]

no i use Noise, Jackal/Liter and Rumani (for 2RL) lol

havent built moran and rapunzel yet but i'll use them

[keen vapor]

I would build Moran

[graceful grotto]

building tove first

i want a real full fledge SG team for SR

lmao but fire weakness is interesting, SG team covers everything except that

[grizzled bone]

Why didn't you

[graceful grotto]

maybe slot grave b2

[keen vapor]

I'm out of mats for skill 1

[eternal finch]

I think is more of the level currently because All the current Nikkes are invested. Oh well, staying #6 till the Pay 2 Win leave lol

[grizzled bone]

Whose fault is that?

[keen vapor]

I build Tove and I reject it

[grizzled bone]

I dont cook until SR. I'm spending very little time on the game lately

[keen vapor]

Idk

[grizzled bone]

Welp... 1/2 anniversary for skill resets maybe?

[fathom rock]

It was 3rl and I won

[swift mango]

I'm gonna reset me Tove.

[keen vapor]

@fathom rock since I failed at getting 3%, should I reset SG team?

[grizzled bone]

You still need a 5th team...

[grizzled bone]

How come?

[swift mango]

Got her s1 to lv9 early on. I don't even focus on raid now and no mat to OL Tove

Or even B.Soda

[grizzled bone]

Hmm you can use BSoda for CA though in Nikke 3

Well.. if you don't play SR makes sense for you

[swift mango]

SbS, Alice, Cindy, S Rossana, Emi, Scarlet are enough for 5 teams I guess.

I have Drake, Noir, Sugar already OL. So I will consider B.Soda after I OL more B1-2 options

[grizzled bone]

Fair enough

[swift mango]

Eh, and ASS just keep slipping my mind.. I swear she is a death weight to me these days ....

[grizzled bone]

She is a bit of a liability in SPA right now cuz of Scarlet

[fathom rock]

Just get 3% next raid
And those units can be used for pvp minus tove

[swift mango]

Everyone in my bracket use Scar-Jackal. Even top 100 in rookie use scarjack

[grizzled bone]

Yeah I can see that

[fathom rock]

[swift mango]

3rl ASS vs standard 3rl scarjack = auto lose...

Feeding them to 2.5rl

[grizzled bone]

I've been pretty disinterested in PvP lately because of the state of things

It's a mostly solved game mode

[fathom rock]

Start playing with handicaps then

[grizzled bone]

We have resources that should allow most new players become somewhat competent as well

[quick lake]

Hopefully CA isnt boring

[swift mango]

This whole game is a solved game mode.

[grizzled bone]

Well we get the occasional unit to switch things up for a bit but other than that there's nothing really. It's just trading back and forth.

[grizzled bone]

The best defense is whaling and CP gap

[keen vapor]

SR15 doll won't solve?

[grizzled bone]

I've thought about making a crash course guide for the new players when we get an influx here from events and such but the motivation isn't really there with everything being available anyway and SU doesn't really fix anything unless it's something immediately game breaking

[grizzled bone]

You could try but you're doing a tank measuring game

[swift mango]

Yeah they should make something game breaking like raid for Arena.

Like a biscuit for Attacker.

Defender Rapunzel

[quick lake]

Unit which gives whole team +10% charge speed

[keen vapor]

Yuni

[swift mango]

Units which buff attack speed to counter fps reduction.

[quick lake]

Maybe if we have more interesting kits, we’ll have more interesting comps like quiry

[swift mango]

I wish she give it with Normal attack.

Rather than after bursting

[grizzled bone]

Yuni alt in nikke 2

[swift mango]

Treasure Yuni when?

[grizzled bone]

Nikke 2

Yuni will probably be an alter though

Same with Mihara

[swift mango]

She will get her treasure when she gets back her sexy body. Trust.

[grizzled bone]

[swift mango]

May she become the first heretic under the new queen Mordenia and come back to conquer the Ark.

[grizzled bone]

But she's on her redemption arc

Yuni and siren will have a convo scene together just grunting

[grizzled bone]

Blood head writer at SU

[fathom rock]

Is using scar as sg tank for burst gen a viable strat

[swift mango]

I think you could try these teams.

Need Quantum lv,3 though.

For Quency team you want the one with highest ATK at p1. Maybe your Liter/Grave has higher ATK than Quency.

Rapunzel could move to p1 if you aren't sure she would trigger biscuit.

[swift mango]

No. Unless you have Jackal or CP gap their team or lucky. If you put Scarlet p5 without link you would more often died to SG than killing them.

The burst gen is minimal too. Without jackal s1.

In defense team, Scarlet p1 without jackal would also just die anyway.

Maybe get you a little bit burst gen. So if you lacked like 2/100 or something you could try.

[quick lake]

Scar’s burst gen is like 0.45% per counter (which procs at 30% chance)

Thats like 3 procs per SG attack for ~1.5% gen

[violet socket]

Hey, I just started getting into pvp and currently have no teams or only a team when pvp first came out. what are the meta teams?

for sp arena

[quick lake]

Can check out the pins which includes prydwen’s/nikkegg pvp guides. They’re a good starting ground to understand

[violet socket]

ah okok, I thought they were outdated since the last update was a year ago I believe

ill check it out tho

[quick lake]

Can use these teams as a reference

[swift mango]

That's actually more than I thought I would. Probably worth it if you lack like 3-6/100 now.

[quick lake]

Just equip 5 quantum cubes

[swift mango]

Quantum on Scarlet

[limber patrol]

pobably the same thing with 5 squads now lol

(the only confirmed thing is the 5 squads)

[spiral onyx]

Building 5 viable team comps for PvP is actually a lot of fun

I've been cooking for over a year on it and it's interesting to see my 5 teams slowly get better and better as new units get introduced and unlock more potential combos

Rumani + Cindy were huge

(not as a combo, just as a wave of new units introduced I mean)

[tropic summit]

hmm looks like you barely made it in time on T2, if scarlet crits you might get in trouble, post your box and let's see if we can get a more reliable approach for T2

[spiral onyx]

Hmmm, technically I've been preparing for Champion Arena for exactly 2 years

[coarse lake]

[spiral onyx]

But I only really started cooking for 5 teams one year ago when they finally confirmed it

[tropic summit]

1. naga, cind, xmaiden, emi and ein can run any high lvl cube (bastion/resil), what matters are the cube i provided in the post (quantum and vigor)

2. b.soda was used as battery due to being a clip SG, you can get more info here on burst gen

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11KWYeyvef91A-vfFuqglJJ8-OhR90TcKFVpJ6Ny_5h4/edit?gid=136921467#gid=136921467

RL jargon:
pvp mechanics: https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

[quick lake]

With SP bugs, UR beta, collab etc, seems like CA will be delayed awhile longer

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/never_ending-gif-24810109

[tropic summit]

nice, so the updated teams are doing their job

[spiral onyx]

I can only hope that the SP Arena bugs are a result of them making changes for CA and accidentally breaking SP

[coarse lake]

yeah

they said they're struggling with CA networking stuff

... which has bled into SP now

[spiral onyx]

Not surprising. Net code is not easy to write, especially as an after-thought

That said, this is an AI autobattle system we're dealing with here. Not a complicated fighting game requiring real time rollback or whatnot

[gaunt viper]

yep I would say so for now at least , I'll just keep duking it out with the 2nd place back and forth

[coarse lake]

their code is a mess

pve stuff affecting pvp targeting is still a thing

there's probably some real time stuff with champ

[spiral onyx]

Overwatch's presentation on their network rollback code is a fascinating watch if you're ever bored
https://youtu.be/odSBJ49rzDo?si=K8Em72J2sKAup3dl

[ionic ledge]

alright someone build me top10 arena def lol. I think I'm fine overall, manage t10 every season, just looking to improve.

[swift mango]

Maybe it would be faster for you to show us your current def to see if we could make any improvement upon that.

[tropic summit]

let's try this next

scarlet grave rh noir jackal
noah biscuit rapu s.anis laplace+
noise blanc cind anis rumani

cubes are as last time

[wind kelp]

Feels nice as f2pvp, even if it'll last maybe 3 minutes

[swift mango]

Maybe you could use your Liter here instead of Pepper.

[ionic ledge]

I just have some cookie cutter comps lol. scarlet cleave, sanis turtle, and working on a cinderella cleave i guess.

[swift mango]

Your Noise would steal Noah taunt if she is p1? Because if she's not, better put Noah there.

Last team also low on cp

[ionic ledge]

I'd probably have to do a run and see haha, noted. and yeah last team needs investments on rumani anis and emilia lmao

[swift mango]

What is the CP of your strongest auto team?

[tropic summit]

@quick lake @keen vapor @swift mango what's a typical moran bay team btw? 🤔

[ionic ledge]

probably like 900k-1m

[swift mango]

I guess your team needs to be around 800k to not be CP gapped then if others in your bracket around your level.

[quick lake]

So far viable teams imo:
Moran Bay Biscuit SBS/SAnis
Moran Rumani Bay SBS/SAnis

[tropic summit]

oh ok with sbs

[quick lake]

SBS deals the most dmg, cause the team has no buffers

SAnis also works, maybe abit slow

[strong hull]

How do you guy calculate burst gen btw Rail-chan

[tropic summit]

use this bad boy

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11KWYeyvef91A-vfFuqglJJ8-OhR90TcKFVpJ6Ny_5h4/edit?gid=1990278246#gid=1990278246

or this

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[strong hull]

It didnt work for me somehow

[quick lake]

Key in the units and it will auto show u the speed of the team

[strong hull]

[tropic summit]

this then? https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[ionic ledge]

Yeah, I can probably just slap in high CP for now while I work on the more pvp oriented units

[strong hull]

You save me again Rail-chan

[tropic summit]

against this matchup, being an unbuffed scarlet:

i'm conflicted on B3 to use 🤔

[quick lake]

Bay alone should win, neutralise scarlet nuke

[strong hull]

Also you learn build pvp from gg right

[tropic summit]

yeah that's the plan

[swift mango]

So, to which units you have OL on?

I guess Anis?

[tropic summit]

aye, i started from here https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

[strong hull]

Ah shit here we go

[quick lake]

prydwen and gg both are good. But not as much “teambuilding”, rather its arena mechanics

[strong hull]

Yea its complicated

Pretty hard to learn for me lol

[quick lake]

Yeah pvp mostly trial by fire, or copy team comps

I honestly just familiarised myself with the main team archetypes, eg from Keripo’s matrix

[tropic summit]

yeah reverse approach also works, start from the usual templates then customize them as you go

[strong hull]

Aye can you tutorial how to read that matrix?

[quick lake]

finite number of defence teams:
Scarlet + Jackal
Cindy + Noise
Blanc + SAnis + Biscuit
Moran + Biscuit + SBS/SAnis
Noah + Emilia
Blanc + Emilia + Biscuit

[tropic summit]

after the above it's just a matter of balancing investiment + batteries + ensuring you get to reach B3 alive

[quick lake]

the top row are the defending teams. ie the win/lose is seen from the defender’s percpective.

So attacking left column teams VS the row teams

[strong hull]

Ill heading here more frequency then

[swift mango]

Where is Bay?

[quick lake]

Not common enough to include

[strong hull]

[swift mango]

Where's biscuit Cindy?

[quick lake]

Cindy P1?

[swift mango]

Just Biscuit anywhere in the Cindy team.

[quick lake]

Under the Noise + Cindy variation

[tropic summit]

looks like this one might be a safer approach, just check CP against their two teams (making sure you're not on deficit)

(the bay team goes against their scarlet)

[quick lake]

My matrix for SPA

[ionic ledge]

are you asking which units I have OL gear on? I think pretty much starting from top up to emilia should all be OL

[strong hull]

Ig ill try it again on Pc

[quick lake]

I think must download and save a copy

[tropic summit]

yeah i usually build stuff on PC, on phone i'd just rather die

[strong hull]

[strong hull]

My brain still cant adapt this one

[wise horizon]

Thanks. That Bay team is meta for defense too?

[strong hull]

Can you explain it more detail?

[quick lake]

Slowly pvp gang always here

[tropic summit]

hmm on defense unfortunately bay can get countered, a noah would've been safer but you don't have her, i'd stick to higher CP teams

since you already shared your box, I can check and make 3 def teams i suppose

[strong hull]

[swift mango]

Emi 21% CS?

[strong hull]

Now i have to read all pvp unit kit again

[wise horizon]

Yeah Noah has been evading me. Same with rapunzel

[ionic ledge]

No haha, I need to reroll her substats. I think maybe like 10% cs

[quick lake]

Like for example we can look at the first defending team, a 2RL speed Scarlet Jackal VS a similar 2RL Scarlet Noah Jackal.

Both teams burst at the same time, but the attacking team has a Noah to block the incoming nuke. So in this scenario, the attacking team wins (cause of Noah)

[swift mango]

What's is level of her s1?

[ionic ledge]

i have her at 4/4/4 right now. so still needs work overall.

[swift mango]

If she had 10% from OL line then she should have enough for 21% Emi. Good enough.

You could make some of your 3rl team 2.5rl with it.

Same to other Clip RL with 15%+ cs

[quick lake]

Pvp is mostly about team archetypes vs team archetype imo.

If we have a 3RL scarlet jackal teams, there are handful of ways to counter. We can do a 3RL Noah/Bay to perfectly block nuke.

Alternatively we can do a 3RL Blanc + SAnis. Blanc will trigger and apply her indom on SAnis, leaving her to ignore the nuke and destroy the opponent’s team

[strong hull]

But there only scarlet + jackal

[quick lake]

The remaining units can be thought or regular burst gen unit to achieve the desired team speed.

The main “archetype” of the team is still a scarlet nuke team

[strong hull]

I see

Mostly around Scarlet +jack while buffer can be different as long as they give decent amount burst gen right

[quick lake]

Yep exactly! So they can be sugar sugar sugar. The unit themselves dont matter that much, just need to achieve the team speed

Of course we can rare cases like a monster 4ele atk cs Laplace that does bull dozes through, but generally rare

[strong hull]

Ok time to practice

[quick lake]

The more u cook, the more interactions and synergies u memorise/understand

[strong hull]

5 SR team even easier than this

[quick lake]

Pvp is just advanced rock paper scissors essentially

[strong hull]

But yea time to cope

[swift mango]

Hmm you could try

Noise+Noah+ASS+Rapu+LaplaceT

Crown+Rumani+Biscuit+Cindy+SBS

And see if the improved CP worked out for you.

[tropic summit]

scarlet blanc rh noir jackal
noise cind emi centi laplace+
bay rumani sbs biscuit ein

looks like we can still work something out without noah

quantum on rumani and biscuit to hit 3RL threshold on T3
quantum on jackal, centi
vigor on blanc, noise
temperance on bay
anyone else just run highest available lvl cube

Wishlist: rapu and noah

[quick lake]

At the start, I went through all 180+ pages of Keripo’s messages

And mostly asking blood stupid questions

[tropic summit]

this man has seen hell

[quick lake]

Learnt alot

[ionic ledge]

I can give those a go, thanks for all the input

[swift mango]

Sniping p5 biscuit

He thought he had a team that stopped brain death auto attack? Think again.

[quartz prawn]

Should i read through all rheax messages to understand pvp

[valid fern]

did you have CP advantage for this?

[swift mango]

Ofc I am. Why else I went for auto attack team lol?

[quick lake]

I talk alot of junk too

[valid fern]

man I wish I could invest more into my pvp units but I've been climbing the towers daily for those dumb leaderboard achievements lol

[strong hull]

Time to real deal

7 days learning pvp with chefs

[unique magnet]

[lunar dirge]

imagine having biscuit at p5 and not a defender

[tropic summit]

with xmaiden sitting right beside her in p4

[lunar dirge]

this

[lunar dirge]

far from my level little boi

[quick lake]

@strong hull @quartz prawn
This doc is a pretty good primer. Can use google doc’s internal translate
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DHysv6EH5xNJgdUiRFEtPu50_LqZ8iaSbHqS9nTC5po/edit

[swift mango]

Maiden is a delicate and feeble being, they need to be protected by their doggy.

[lunar dirge]

tf you you meen feeble,her asscheeks alone are capable to tank sniper shots

and there is biscuit too

[torpid valve]

can you guys help me build team for pvp and special pvp ?

[mortal sorrel]

Here is all my nikke. Need help making a new PVP team and 3V3 Arena team.

[tropic summit]

taking a look

[tropic summit]

hmm, it seems like you're kinda lacking in batteries, might wanna at least invest in the minimun for the following (also will need to be put in synch)

rapu,rumani (optionally also anis SR)
can consider also investing, with lower priority, on laplace+

let's see what can be done with the as-is

[swift mango]

@tropic summit your comrade.

[tropic summit]

are they?

[lunar dirge]

rookie:s.anis blanc rh centi jackal,sp arena:cp gap team,noah sbs centi biscuit rumani,s.anis blanc maiden bsoda jackal

[lunar dirge]

i had a 3 minute aneurism cuz while i was typing teams for the 1st guy,2nd had posted and they have same synchro

[mortal sorrel]

🗿

[torpid valve]

Are there any tips for building 3 effective special PvP teams?

[mortal sorrel]

🗿

[lunar dirge]

95% of last teams in sp arena are ineffective due to a lack of actual meta pvp otions in nikke

even 2rl cindy can get clowned on and i'm specialist in it

[tropic summit]

well you can start with this while you build rumani, rapu and possibly anis (way lower priority as SR, can be bare minimun for battery purposes)

scarlet grave rh noir jackal
noah rrh cind drake xmaiden
moran bay sbs biscuit centi

quantum as for the SS attached
temperance on bay

once you get those above synched and built, we can revise T2 and T3

[swift mango]

Take you 3 strongest dps then build around them. Add clip reload RL, SG

[tropic summit]

that sacc

[lunar dirge]

i can kill it with blanc empty p2 sbs biscu rumani

[eternal finch]

Gotcha, any cube rec for Grave?

[tropic summit]

uh get her bastion if it's still available or resil (either which is higher lvl)

[lunar dirge]

and in fact i already don eithttps://youtu.be/0lM_uQw4nXU

[swift mango]

Not if they have more investment and level than u.

[lunar dirge]

i clapped it with 25% deficit

and they do have more investment than i am

[lunar dirge]

@tropic summit rate the clown activity in this one

[torpid valve]

umm, can you explain the second part of each table? I'm not understanding it well.

[swift mango]

Maybe they forgot to bring Emilia in that team

Also, show me the screen shot of the match up

[lunar dirge]

if they bring emilia,i will just use my crown team

[tropic summit]

a solid 11/11, would do it again

[tropic summit]

to put simply, each team has a burst gen, the most common are 2RL, 2.5RL, 3RL, 3.5RL and 4RL

these tiers decide essentially **when **you burst, in most matchup that can be decisive for win/loss

to get a clear picture, just give this a 5 min read

https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

in particular, the section on Burst Generation - "Speed"

[torpid valve]

oh thank you so much !

[swift mango]

The video is very laggy somehow. I finally watch it all after some struggle.

Well, it's still the same SBS+Noah+Biscuit but you saved one Clip RL... Oh well. I think you could save a biscuit in this case if you used a normal 3 clip RL instead.

But you used Noah, not Blanc. Gonna need another clip with Blanc to prove your first statement.

[lunar dirge]

i checked this one,and if there is no laplacet,i could use rapunzel instead

[lunar dirge]

oh wait

worng vid

lmao

[swift mango]

Then it's not 25% diff. At 25% diff your whole team would be killed in 3rl without biscuit or Makima. No matter which team you use.

[lunar dirge]

c6 sr 10 blanc with temperance in my case

[lunar dirge]

don't mind the lag,my laptop is on the death door

[swift mango]

Well, doesn't mattered much when you stats are cut by half.

[lunar dirge]

it's kinda 50/50 in rapunzel's case

cuz blanc must survive 2 shots at least

[swift mango]

Basically impossible

[lunar dirge]

true

[swift mango]

I need a screenshot of your CP vs their to make it believable.

[lunar dirge]

dunno if i find it but 1 sec

[swift mango]

Wait. You didn't even used Rapu in this video so nvm. You did it with Rumani though. If their RL had more CS you might not make it Ig.

I guess this is the the reason people use Emillia+ Clip SG in their 2RL Cindy.

[lunar dirge]

2rl cindy

only allows 1 clip sg

cuz it's 3rl other cases

[swift mango]

Yeah

Emi+Clip SG would counter Empty p2 well enough with deficit.

Biscuit can't protect 3 units at once.

[lunar dirge]

and i have a vid of that too

but if they use emi

i would just use crown team

[swift mango]

Well if you don't have 25% deficit then Emi aren't killing your p3.

And Clip SG may not killing P5 in time.

[lunar dirge]

basically if they use 2 b2 in 2rl cindy,i do empty p2 slot strat,if they do emi laplacet,crown team it is

[swift mango]

Anyway, thanks. Now we have even more options to deal with Cindy 2rl. 😏

[lunar dirge]

u welcome

[swift mango]

What about the pic to show you were 25% deficit?

[lunar dirge]

didn't found that one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmrkHebsbac here's my final act

that's why i lovw fighting against 2rl cindy

it's too ez to deal with if you know your drill

[swift mango]

Yeah, Emi killed your SBS in this video. So I believe you were in deficit.

[lunar dirge]

nvm,350k vs 440k when they used anis and 350k vs 520k when laplacet and emilia

so emi murked me

but still works when no emi

[mortal sorrel]

uh is anyone going to help me?

[keen vapor]

You got help?

@mortal sorrel right

[mortal sorrel]

I dont have RH

[keen vapor]

Liter

[lunar dirge]

s.anis liter?

[keen vapor]

Yes?

Oh right...

What else works....

[mortal sorrel]

I think you mixed me with the other person. I dont have RH

[lunar dirge]

at this point just slap privaty instead or rh

[keen vapor]

Yeah ... Jackal b1

[lunar dirge]

well,i told already what happened

[mortal sorrel]

Uh you missed one whole team for arena you only listed two.

[lunar dirge]

3 rd one is gap,i told this already

just pess auto and putt highest cp units there

[mortal sorrel]

I see.

[tropic summit]

might wanna ask again for teams once you've set these up too,:

wishlist: noise
to sync and build: rapu, jackal, rumani, blanc

We can probably build something better at that point

[mortal sorrel]

I just need something decent since I got more units is all.

[tropic summit]

yeah with those built and synched, you could get 3 actual decent teams

else you gonna have 2 decent teams and 1 padded 🤔

[mortal sorrel]

So what 3 team would I make once I sync thoses 4?

[keen vapor]

For example purposes*

[mortal sorrel]

I see

[tropic summit]

considering you lack noise and RH, i'd go with this temporary ones

[keen vapor]

Soda

[tropic summit]

rouge could be moved to p3 and biscuit to p2 if not confident surviving 3RL lacking rapu, cindy lacks noise for buffing, t3 lacks RH to replace liter for better nuke

would make for some temporary but working teams 🤔

[keen vapor]

No no, we don't use RH for better nuke, that's a bonus

[mortal sorrel]

I have been trying to get RH for a year now 😭

[keen vapor]

Is for less feed

[tropic summit]

oh ye, liter definitely does feed way more due to SMG

but iirc liter buff is also weaker than RH, so it's actually twice the bonus

[swift mango]

Especially when you buff Cindy

[quasi prism]

I know how you feel.

[shell hazel]

who should I smash together for my sp-arena teams? I did have a cooking session in the past but I think a lot has changed since then

burst 1/2/3 ordered by power

I'm currently holding 2nd but it's more by raw power of my pve units than by skill at knowing what I am doing 😄

current defense teams

a lot my pvp units are totally uninvested really which means I may still need CP from the pve ones, but I guess some decent burst1/2 combos will allow me to slot in some dps to pad it out a bit

I'm lacking Noah / Rumani and they're both on wishlist, any other units I should add to this?

[mortal sorrel]

Thank you for the help. I was also wondering for single PVP whats my best option?

[tropic summit]

post your box in order of strength and without filtering for burst, that way we can easily tell investiment

[shell hazel]

on it one mo 🙂

5 rows 😦

[tropic summit]

hmm until you get jackal and the nikke mentioned before built, you could alternate between these 2 rookie teams

[shell hazel]

should go top 1-2 and then more obvious which is 2nd one

[tropic summit]

it's good like this thank you, let's see

[tropic summit]

scarlet grave rh noir jackal
naga cind anis xmaiden noise
blanc sbs biscuit rapu centi

cubes:

quantum jackal, anis, centi
vigor on noise, blanc, biscuit, rapu
everyone else use highest available lvl cube

notes:

once you get noah, we can upgrade t3
wishlist noah, rumani

[shell hazel]

thanks let me see how that looks CP wise as well

I lack in cubes a bit

I only have 2 on most (like quantum)

[tropic summit]

that's fine, quantum here is not gonna make a difference (yet)

try getting it at least lvl 3

[shell hazel]

i'll try 🙂

[tropic summit]

allows a bit more flexibility when building teams

[shell hazel]

was working on bastion/resi some, I have only been playing a couple of months so not had a chance to max em out

and my union kind of weak.. looking for a new one tbh

current standings btw, so doing well, but people are biting at my heels for 2nd 😄

might be lowering my CP a bit too much, especially on 3rd team

will get killed by investment perhaps

I can add some cubes around some of them if missing, but dolls/skills sometimes won't be invested

it's 427k a drop of about 100k cp

[tropic summit]

yeah T3 is the one i struggled with the most, you could replace it with a padded team and a biscuit, e.g.:

crown biscuit rrh rapu alice

the point with that is that crown will get invulnerable for quite a while, once you finally hit bursts rapu will revive and you might get to still burst

[shell hazel]

let's see how that looks

[tropic summit]

should have far more Cp than your current one

between 170k-200k+ probably

[shell hazel]

bit less but I think I can improve some with gear

and cubes and maybe some dolls

[tropic summit]

oh means that your biscuit and rapu are really poorly invested 🤔

should consider indeed getting those 2 to R15 doll and some OL gear

[tropic summit]

ah not too shabby

[shell hazel]

very much so lol

so let me check them for missing things quick

[tropic summit]

yeah this will do until you hit noah 🤔

[shell hazel]

484K power atm

[tropic summit]

oh btw since we removed centi, you can place her instead of anis

will raise a bit CP on cindy's team

[shell hazel]

definitely will she beats my Anis on power

[tropic summit]

while keeping same 3RL threshold

[shell hazel]

492k with centi in

Team 1 -
Scar = R0 doll | 441 skills | no cube | all gear slots
Jackal = no doll | 444 skills | quantum cube | all gear slots

Team 2 -
Centi = no doll | 444 skills | quantum cube | all gear slots
Noise = no doll | 111 skills | no cube | 3/4 gear slots

Team 3 -
Biscuit = no doll | 111 skills | onslaught cube (lol) | all gear slots
Rapunzel = no doll | 444 skills | no cube | no gear slots

so the ones I noted have not ever been in my pve teams so they are under-invested like hell

if I haven't noted it down it's because the unit is OK built and will have been used so will have cube/doll/gear at OK standards at least

I lack dolls to give out hope I get more that I can use

I can steal some gear from elsewhere for now I think, and same for cubes I can just yoink some from other units

[strong hull]

[tropic summit]

hmm i see, you want to doll up asap your scar and jack, afterward biscuit and rapu. (scar and jack will be often exposed to dmg due to the link)

as for OL, probably the same priority

[shell hazel]

makes sense

[quick lake]

Just R doll. (U’ll want to get SR5 eventually)

[shell hazel]

let me fix some of them a bit in terms of gear and cubes at least what I can and see what diff it makes

[shell hazel]

I don't have any that apply to any of these sadly 😄

[tropic summit]

ye R15 does already good

[shell hazel]

I hope to get some on SR...

[quick lake]

No worries coming SR trust

Dont be like me put SR0 on drake and now she has a treasure

[shell hazel]

my main PVE units all have dolls now so I don't think I need to spare any there, I can put all into my arena team

[tropic summit]

[strong hull]

Same

[shell hazel]

I have enough skill books to get someones burst to 4

should I boost one of them up?

[covert lintel]

when will s3 favorite item be released?

[tropic summit]

scarlet burst is gonna need to be high lvl to be reliably wiping

as for jackal, 4/4/4 is fine

[quick lake]

My guess… next SR

Gonna be fire weak again to get ppl to treasure drake, I call it in advance

[shell hazel]

I can get scar to 4/4/4 - from 4/4/1

I will otherwise mostly need to sit units here on 4/4/4 anyway due to pve investment on skills

[tropic summit]

aim for scarlet burst lvl 7 asap at least imo

before that, she'll have to do with double buff

[covert lintel]

rip

[quick lake]

Early game resources are never enough

[quick lake]

Can get drake from tix shop

[covert lintel]

i planned to max core noise first

[shell hazel]

OK so 500K on the nose with some cubes moved in and gear equipped in all slots

I got scar to 4/4/4 like I said, I can get the others up a bit (I guess 4/4/4 isn't difficult to achieve on all units, and 7 burst on scar)

quantum cubes on centi + jackal and vigor on noise + naga

[strong hull]

They forgot about it

Ill get treasure helm asap

[tropic summit]

keep in mind T3 is temporary, we'll likely have to discard rrh, crown and alice (those are still great for PVE)

[strong hull]

When done with RapiRH

[shell hazel]

I use them all for PVE so won't change my investments there

[tropic summit]

yep absolutely fine

[shell hazel]

so who should I skill up next?

[tropic summit]

how's your cindy and RH skills

[shell hazel]

noise and rapu are 1/1/1

[tropic summit]

yeah ok start getting those all to 4/4/4

[shell hazel]

should I do that before scar to burst 7?

RH is 7/8/7 and Cindy is 7/5/7

[tropic summit]

hmm cindy burst could go up still, RH aswell

[shell hazel]

yeah problem is the ol' resources 😄

[tropic summit]

i guess start with scarlet nuke just to ensure wipe

although campaign team takes priority

[shell hazel]

so list of stuff to do:
Scar to 7 burst
Noise + Rapu to 4/4/4
Dolls for as many as I can (short on upgrade mats)
OL scar jack rapu biscuit, in that order

I can pause campaign team for now I was waiting for level 221. I am doing OK there

[tropic summit]

OL scar jack rapu biscuit, in that order

[tropic summit]

keep in mind progression is more important than pvp

[shell hazel]

I can't really push this more atm too much deficit

[tropic summit]

what's your deficit at on campaign and hard mode?

[shell hazel]

221k cp / 330-340k stages

[tropic summit]

oh looking good 🤔

malders would disagree, but you can ask in question if it's fine to invest in pvp with your current pve progression, on the safe side

[shell hazel]

i'll OL my campaign team first some where I can but I'm cool to chill and get a few levels here, outpost is lvl 240

if I ran out of gear to OL for campaign team I'll swing some to the units you mentioned 🙂

[tropic summit]

yeah sounds good

[shell hazel]

yeah I don't want to go crazy but I want to build them to OK spot to maintain a good SP arena rating for the gems, so a bit of invest is fine I think

[tropic summit]

you've got a solid plan i'd say

[shell hazel]

also lets me catch up levels a bit due to core dust shortages

thanks for your help btw 🙂

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

I got the $15 daily skill book gifting thing so I can catch up a bit

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

btw just to confirm, double check that in the scarlet team, Scarlet and RH are the top 2 atk% stat, if noir is for whatever reason higher thna scarlet, we gonna need to swap a clip SG burst gen unit around

[shell hazel]

i'll park them where I said and move investment back to main team

just the raw atk stat on their page?

[tropic summit]

ye and eventual OL lines with atk%, those also count

want to make sure scarlet is linked with jackal or she's gonna pop

[shell hazel]

think she's lowest atk stat 😄

well 2nd lowest after jackal

[tropic summit]

aight it was good that we checked

let's do this then, easy solution

[shell hazel]

noir is 2nd highest

[tropic summit]

swap noir with xmaiden, problem solved. Once Scarlet is higher than noir, move em back

[shell hazel]

right you are, problem 2 Grave is higher than scar I think

[tropic summit]

you kidding me

put blanc instead of grave then

gonna hit a bit your CP overall but oh well

[shell hazel]

whilst the number is lower, grave has % atk on gear

[tropic summit]

give scarlet also OL'ed lvl 0 head and arm, should raise her ATK more than enough

[tropic summit]

ah i c

[tropic summit]

yeah that's gonna raise the atk%

[shell hazel]

I can just take the helm off her

and give her a rubbish one on purpose

[tropic summit]

hmm could also, is blanc that worse on CP side?

[shell hazel]

way less invested

[tropic summit]

alrighty

[shell hazel]

hmm

[tropic summit]

if you wanna test and ensure link is working, just run any campaign and see that when jackal is hit, RH and scarlet also take hit (and viceversa)

[shell hazel]

can't remove it ofc 😦

if I give her spare pilgrim gear from SBS I can get her atk a bit higher natively but Grave still has the 11.81% atk stat, so her raw number is 32352

if that adds +11.81% then Grave atk would be higher I think

nope it's definitely Grave who is getting hit 😄

[tropic summit]

well temporarely you can put grave in p1 and scarlet in p2

[shell hazel]

OK cool done thanks

I'll get her atk up some and get her above Grave at least

looks like helm is the biggest atk upgrade on level change?

[tropic summit]

ye for atk for sure

[shell hazel]

OK i'll go with that first, I think I'm done with adding OL to Alice today, maybe tomorrow, then I'll switch to getting Scar some OL and a higher atk

but yes good thing we noted that or I'd be wondering how I lose so easily 😄

[coarse lake]

anyone have videos of emi nuke (any as long as nuke isn't blocked) vs one of these 4 specific setups:
noise/noah/cindy/biscuit/jackal (noise cindy link) (noise taunt)
noah/noise/cindy/biscuit/jackal (noise cindy link) (either taunt)

noise/noah/jackal/biscuit/b3 (noise b3 link) (noise taunt)
noah/noise/jackal/biscuit/b3 (noise b3 link) (either taunt)
if so, pls ping me with vid and invest of whichever team yours is

order of units and taunt matters a lot, although biscuit and p5 swapping spots is fine in any of them

who has taunt is basically who emilia shoots the icicle at

especially helpful if your emi setup has the dmg to clean nuke biscuit

but I'll take any vid of those situations, regardless of outcome

[coarse lake]

garbage game, wasted both attempts today to this, got zero information out of the fight other than it was a loss both times

SU, pls just delete champ arena entirely, it's clear you guys got no idea how to do proper net code for pvp

[ashen ocean]

welp, after Railtracer's suggestions, i hit my highest rank in SP and start to see the top 10

[umbral belfry]

winnable? i know t1 is gg but maybe t2 and t3?

here's my box

[wise horizon]

T2 didnt win unfortunately. Also I forgot to record the battle >.< CP deficit was ok

[clear trail]

what would be better rookie def team? given cp diff

[keen vapor]

SBS

[glad meteor]

If it’s rookie sbs will just get noah biscuit

Noah noise biscuit sbs jackal
Noah noise sanis biscuit rapunzel/jackal maybe

Preferably noise more CS than noah

[little oak]

Bro is always attacking me, can’t be satisfied with his 6th place

I always take it back when I login but he takes it back after i log out for the day it’s maddening

[keen vapor]

Then, why can't you be satisfied with C6?

@coarse lake @swift mango

[vapid lake]

god i love nikke optimization pvp recordings are 1 minute loading screen then 25 seconds actual fight

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Is in part bc of my wifi mobile data

[glad meteor]

Noah biscuit sanis doesn’t work for team 3?

Skipping bay comp

I still don’t know much about biscuit bay.

[keen vapor]

Look at this record for example

It was restarting at a certain point and did it at 5% battery so entire fight is laggy

[keen vapor]

It gives me headaches

For example @glad meteor

[glad meteor]

Yeah I’ve seen that before

Noise bay to withstand emi nuke

I wonder if it can withstand cindirella though

[umbral belfry]

i won by changing a few things around. slowly learning

[glad meteor]

And if so or not. How many buffers

Bay damage share lingers after full burst

[little oak]

I was always 5

[keen vapor]

Stop being it

[little oak]

[shell hazel]

go for 4!

or change your name and union so he doesn't recognise you anymore 😛

[keen vapor]

3

[swift mango]

Hmm, why Noah p1 and not Centi? Oh well, gg

[keen vapor]

Bc she wouldn't have died, obviously

[swift mango]

Centi p1 so you burst with her for some more dmg. Noah burst is utterly useless in that team.

Also, what is your Noise s3 lv? And did you equip XMaiden with Vigor?

[keen vapor]

Defense debuff is copium

[swift mango]

Well, better than Noah at least. Centi also deal DMG x3 on link however small that is.

[keen vapor]

Noise is all 5

And Maiden had another cube

[swift mango]

It was within 15.4% deficit right?

[keen vapor]

Yes

This is the main reason why I record before loading screen

[swift mango]

Well, your XMaiden team wasn't with an optimal cube and not following my positioning so it's not entirely my fault.

[keen vapor]

And low investment on Noise

[swift mango]

Maybe doesn't need it

Oh well... Thanks for showing the video.

[keen vapor]

Was I a good guinea pig?

[swift mango]

If you had followed instructions exactly, I wouldn't have known this Noah p1 experience.

[swift mango]

Also, if Noise was S3lv5, s3lv10 RH would have been better.

Centi+Noah+Anis+XMaiden+RH would 100% kill it.

Like I said before, S3lv10 RH was about equal to s3lv7 Noise.

Not to mention RH would buff everyone else in the team.

And xMaiden one Normal attack before her burst 3.

[swift mango]

My Centi with RH buff already took nearly half HP of the links.

[tropic summit]

you mean the Bay team didn't win?

[keen vapor]

~~Might as well do Centi/Anis/Maiden/RH/Noah

Theres no enemy RL in P1/2 but is safer nonetheless~~

[rich quail]

[swift mango]

And how is your Moran?

[rich quail]

Not as good

Workin on it
But she 10/10/10
Just not there with optimized OL gear

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

Me when I can't beat ET

[swift mango]

And how is your Rossanna?

[rich quail]

Rosanna is good but needs optimizing

[swift mango]

Skill lv?

[rich quail]

7/10/10

SR15 doll

[swift mango]

I don't need to look at your gears

[rich quail]

Noise also SR15

[raven plover]

sr15 robanana

[rich quail]

Moran only SR5 doll tho

[keen vapor]

Which Pilgrim you sacrificed

[raven plover]

my moran not built at all

[tropic summit]

relatable

[rich quail]

Um…
I dunno
Because my Scar and RH are stacked

[keen vapor]

Not me

[swift mango]

Am I right in assuming your Campaign team aren't with SR15 or you are just lucky with the roll?

[tropic summit]

she's winning your matches, good investiment

[rich quail]

Campaign I am working on right now

Trying to get Crown and Naga in better cp ranges

I kinda went all pvp for a long while

[swift mango]

I mean, are their dolls all sr15?

[tropic summit]

no regrets

[keen vapor]

True

[rich quail]

No, only 3 of 5 maybe

[raven plover]

you guys have sr15 crown

[tropic summit]

[keen vapor]

[rich quail]

Crown/Naga are the ones I want to buff

[raven plover]

damn

my alice still sr5

[rich quail]

My Crown is like… SR5

OL+0 and OL+1 gears only
10/10/10 for Crown and Naga tho

[rich quail]

I would have not met a lot of great friends if I did not play pvp

[keen vapor]

[copper creek]

rps best tomodacheese

[umbral crown]

What for?

[keen vapor]

Usagi-san

[rich quail]

[umbral belfry]

this is unwinnable bc the cp deficit right?