pvp-arena

[swift mango]

Maybe you got a good bracket

[limber patrol]

need better team for normal arena

which team should I use? (the lower the burst, the weaker the team)

lower I can go. My enemy has noah but around same combat power when Alice is on the team

[empty cedar]

It because I don't trigger biscuits early I just burst if I use a normal dps like scarlet i would have made noah reach half hp immediately do she's immune

[limber patrol]

Cinderella's teams got higher deficit though

[swift mango]

You could go

Noise+Centi+Anis+Cindy+Jackal

It's the most foolproof defense team.

[limber patrol]

in that order?

[swift mango]

Yes

You know who to put Quantum on. Clip RL units

[empty cedar]

Avoid cinderella getting hit because her decoy could help the enemy gain more burst generation

[limber patrol]

while the deficit is correct, the penalty probably is not (this is for campaign)

[swift mango]

Avoid getting hit by RL* other weapon are fine

[tribal tartan]

God spreadsheets

[swift mango]

You could build the team up. Or keep using worse teams.

Or auto team

[limber patrol]

meanwhile the 2.5RL team

but idk if this can beat the enemy team...

I don't have attempts yet

[swift mango]

You won't beat it

[limber patrol]

Maiden w

[swift mango]

I mean, this only happened because enemy Noah being too tanky and not triggered Biscuit before you burst.

Most the time though, Noah aren't that tanky.

Also, Just some more upgrade to your Maiden and their Noah will trigger Biscuit.

[tribal tartan]

How to slow mo my arena

[brittle hill]

His only mistake was Cinderella

And no doll

[empty cedar]

What do you mean no doll

[brittle hill]

Idk, just judging. It's 37% damage reduction if it's capped out

For Noah and noise

[swift mango]

Dolls only give 15-16% DR at max. 37% is DEF bonus.

[brittle hill]

That reminds me I still don't have tempering cube on noise. Gonna get right on that

[proud relic]

Any teams for sp arena?

[empty cedar]

Well this team isn't perfect but definitely is a upgrade from other characters.

She isn't counter by Rosanna and she does deal with 2.5 and lower team quite good.

[limber patrol]

xMaiden got worse burst gen than Summer Anis?

[empty cedar]

I don't think so but against scarlet team she fairs better

[swift mango]

Well, I think I could beat your team with my 5RL Blanc+liter+RH+Biscuit+Noir team

I mean, it's not very good for Defense. Just like RH team.

[tribal tartan]

I just got rh too

[glad meteor]

0.1 more gen than clip sg. So better than sanis

[empty cedar]

I doubt that and why liter red hood alone burst one could do it

[swift mango]

Liter is just there to die.

My Blanc is so Squishy that she would trigger biscuit in 1 RL

And biscuit can trigger 2 times

[empty cedar]

I mean I can counter this team more granted with Blanc Emilia redhood biscuit centi

[swift mango]

Why wasting so much Burst gen when you could use it to beat the other 2 teams instead?

[empty cedar]

And you know I can counter that redhood team by replacing rapunzel with my own biscuit

[swift mango]

Well, I mean it's not very good for Defense. So I'm the one attacking haha

[empty cedar]

Defense team are always at a lose in a technically

The idea of a defense team is to narrow the answers for the offense

And that your trash team isn't too trash to not be wipe out by their trash team

[tribal tartan]

Hope they suck at pvp

[valid fern]

so it seems my SBS was unknowingly benefitting from Jackal bug this whole time?

[swift mango]

I mean your 2rl team could be beaten by a non arena team by just adding Biscuit + A squishy enough defender.

So that would free the room for solving your other team.

[umbral crown]

over all clip SG and under Rumani, thats where she is

[limber patrol]

Can I beat whale?

[umbral crown]

cp pad team waos

[swift mango]

Only on her 3rl attack I guess

[limber patrol]

auto team 💀

[valid fern]

what about during her burst

[tribal tartan]

Ez fight

[valid fern]

in any case, the damage that I lost is now causing me to lose a matchup that i was winning before, which sucks. guess I need to roll some more atk lines to replace that lost damage

[limber patrol]

2RL with less combat power and support
or 3RL with more combat power and support?

combat power difference is like 25k (55k vs 30k)
SAnis supports Cinderella.
Normal Anis just there for burst gen.

[kindred tinsel]

omg i might be out of dia 8 soon

[tribal tartan]

Lfg!

[keen vapor]

3 RL

[limber patrol]

would this team be good?

(it becomes 4RL with summer Anis instead of xmaiden)

I need to get xmaiden but idk if to buy her. I will regret if they rerun Red Hood. But I will regret missing xmaiden if they don't rerun Red Hood

[swift mango]

I won't use Noise as the only Burst 1 without protection. She could just die and you won't be able to burst.

And their team use Noah. You can't beat it with Wipe at the same speed.

[swift mango]

If you want to beat the Noah team, you could try

Blanc+RH/Alice+Clip RL+Clip RL+Flex

[swift mango]

Could win with this team I guess.... If you normal attack hard enough...

[limber patrol]

why is burst gen so bad on this team... it has 4 RL 💀

[limber patrol]

Red Hood?

[tribal tartan]

Low burst gen

None of them is good at it

[limber patrol]

ok I managed to get 2 teams with 3RL

but last team can't burst no matter what I add...

can get like 4RL if I add N102, Bay and Maiden (normal one)

[tribal tartan]

Scarlet when

[limber patrol]

next year

casually losing 40k combat power

[lone sequoia]

ein main dps

[tribal tartan]

Never seen that pvp team before

[limber patrol]

casually losing 32k combat power

hold on, maybe Ein got better burst gen

[lone sequoia]

than scarlet? no

[cedar orbit]

I thought Bay was not supposed to tank Cinderella's burst

[lone sequoia]

depends on the team and speed, if you add noise or biscuit for bay you can

[tribal tartan]

Got blanc or Noah?

[limber patrol]

blanc

[swift mango]

So did she tank your Cindy?

[limber patrol]

pretty sure Cinderella's burst AoE is rng, so attacks more one than other right? maybe that's where Bay distributed the dmg across the whole team...

[cedar orbit]

She did in a 3 RL vs 3 RL situation, in 3 RL vs 4 RL she didn't, Bay has Noise and Biscuit

[lone sequoia]

2 hits each at a random order, a kill add the extra 1hit to a random unit

[swift mango]

I guess Biscuit help her survive to cut the dmg other units received. And Noise just heal them up.

[cedar orbit]

Noise died from Cindy burst, other members took no damage besides Bay's cover

[swift mango]

No dmg? Maybe all Cindy hits fall down on invulnerable Bay? Weird.

Could you post the vid?

[cedar orbit]

sadly I started recording too late

[lone sequoia]

against 5 units? or 4 bay should take 40% damage of the total but biscuit S2 keep her alive and the other units take the 60%damage

[swift mango]

He said no dmg at all

[cedar orbit]

I have this one, but I started recording after my burst was over

they are full hp pretty much, had no healing, no?

[lone sequoia]

bro

no buff, against 2 defender with biscuit S2

[cedar orbit]

I know I hard counter their SBS

[lone sequoia]

i mean you against him

cindy is a burst unit

[swift mango]

Still why no dmg to biscuit and SBS. It's weird.

[lone sequoia]

no real damage post burst

let me check speed

[swift mango]

He said no dmg to them at all. Noise ded right away.

[lone sequoia]

well, they only took 4 hits at like 85%damage reduction

[swift mango]

Wait a minute. How is the Co of your team comparing to his?

[cedar orbit]

no penalty

[swift mango]

Actually it's only 40% reduction

Maybe add Bay own skill and doll it could be 60%

[lone sequoia]

i'm talking about the shared damage,

noise burst took the damage and whe she died the buff expire and show the real hp of the units

[cedar orbit]

I mean Cinderella's burst is definitely a bit wonky, against this team, I constantly kill Biscuit, but only Biscuit.

[swift mango]

Oh nice to know this one.

[lone sequoia]

bay shared damage make that biscuit and sbs only take around 4hits of reduced damage (bay shared damage) and the extra hp from noise took the hit

not enough damage to show a big difference between the normal max hp of the units and the current hp after damage

you can look at sbs hp when noise burst heal and after that

now what kill noise after burst... probably at 3RL she took too much damage and even with the extra hp from her burst and shared damage she died

[swift mango]

Bay shared damage isn't a big reduction.

With 5 units

40 15x4

Normally

20x5

It's only a 33% reduction.

It's not 80%

Reduction

[lone sequoia]

40%to bay and 60% for the team, in this case only 2~3 units take damage biscuit save bay and centi with her S2 and reduce the damage to the link (shared damage)

so if centi take a hit is 0 damage to the link

and if sbs take a hit is 40% damage to bay, and the rest split between biscuit and centi(which have biscuit S2)

[swift mango]

Yes. I mean Bay only reduce 33% dmg for each of other units, not 80% like you claim.

With 4 unit taking dmg, it 17.65/26, only 30% reduci

[lone sequoia]

at the start the first hit went to the extra hp from noise burst

[lone sequoia]

i didn't try to point the exact numbers just to say how the synergy works in that team or against the cindy team

[swift mango]

With Bay and Centi invulnerable in a 4-man team, I guess each hit got cut by 47.6+17.65= 64.25% then.

That's more than I expected.

The hit fall on Bay and Centi count as zero too.

Nice

[lone sequoia]

yep

[cedar orbit]

basically niche pvp units are cheating

[swift mango]

Just need to kill their Noise before they burst, easy.

[cedar orbit]

I welcome team ideas, since the shuffle my pvp bracket is way too lively

[keen vapor]

Huh

[swift mango]

Scarlet+Alice+RH+Laplace+xMaiden would surely beat that team.

By normal attack. Not even need to burst.

[limber patrol]

everyone getting affected by this reshuffle? 💀

[swift mango]

I dropped from c2 to c3. Having kinda hard time holding it.

[keen vapor]

Losing two times is fine

[keen vapor]

Guys, are you serious?

[umbral crown]

[limber patrol]

I dropped from C1 to C7 💀

[umbral crown]

i have not been dropped

[cedar orbit]

Thanks, I will try to get in case 3rd hits me, I will hold 2nd place for now, hopefully people will stop hitting me since 4th and 5th can't beat my teams yet

[swift mango]

The only reason I could hold is because I online often lol...

[cedar orbit]

but yeah, my previous top 5 peeps are top 10 now

[tribal tartan]

Hold the line!!!

[swift mango]

People with shit defense team but know how to attack (or ask for attack team) will beat you. They can't hold the position for jack but just make you waste attempts.

[cedar orbit]

I feel like people just Jackal+Rosanna my Jackal team, then just go all in on another one they deem weaker

[gaunt viper]

nice reshuffle

idk how I even beat them with such a CP gap

this was preset from a previous fight. I haven't changed any units to fight this individual

[fervent nest]

is this good team for pvp ?

[gaunt viper]

remember how you said that i was stealing all your core dust? how bout the guy in SP i posted above 💀

[swift mango]

For a level 354 your CP is rather low. And this whale looks like he invested more than you in his arena team. Hard to win.

[gaunt viper]

well I mean it's a 49 lvl difference so it adds up

[swift mango]

Maybe focus on beating his first team then try to beat the CP gap team with biscuit+ Defender and your highest CP unita

[gaunt viper]

tho I'm probably not full invested like he is. only mostly and some full

[swift mango]

Well, I'm at 307 with a 1.3m team. And you are 46 level higher than me.

Rosy defense team also 1.2m and you are 60+ level more than them.

[unkempt kestrel]

att > elemental damage for pvp right? For example on sanis?

[gaunt viper]

really? didn't expect that tbh 🤔, I figured most in here giving advice were higher than me

[swift mango]

My small whale who is 40 level gap me also around 1.35m and he barely invest in arena.

My bigger whale who 65 level gap me is around 1.5m+ too.

So you have similar level of arena investment to a pve whale.

[gaunt viper]

I mean I've got most all OL save for Centi and Anis, tho not all invested in puppets. only 8 or so have SR15.

[quick lake]

Lost an attempt

[cedar orbit]

how do you guys even get SR15s

[gaunt viper]

also I haven't had a whale yet. this is my first time encountering one, so I'm rather uninformed 😅

[void swan]

Someone help me build 3 teams for special arena pls

[gaunt viper]

just pouring all your resources and hoping you get lucky with super rates

[tribal tartan]

@keen vapor !!!!!

I think they need help

[void swan]

^ Facts

[tribal tartan]

Echo deadge gg

Give up and wait for later

[cedar orbit]

Do you need a team for rookie arena? @void swan

[void swan]

No

Special arena

The one with 3 teams

[vapid lake]

U said "build a team" 1 team

[void swan]

Nuh uh

[vapid lake]

Editing

Rheax cooking

[quick lake]

T1: Jackal Rapunzel Cindy Naga Noir
T2: Noah Alice Pepper Anis xMaiden
T3: Moran Biscuit MaidPriv RPG Laplace

[void swan]

Anis is crazy

[vapid lake]

He has moran biscuit U not gonna use it?

[void swan]

Moran is also crazy

[cedar orbit]

surely auto would make a moran biscuit team for him

[void swan]

Why anis

[desert sphinx]

burst gen

[void swan]

Should I synchro anis

[quick lake]

Ogay added Moran Bisc. But burst gen non existent welps

[vapid lake]

He no centi rumani

[void swan]

Who’s rpg

[cedar orbit]

welcome to lvl 140 pvp

[quick lake]

Pure grace rapunzel

I wanted to suggest Neon, but probably no sync slot

[cedar orbit]

maybe he could slot M. Privaty into team 1 instead of Noir, since whoever attacks into his team would probably feed him into 3 RL

[void swan]

I have like 10 slots left

[limber patrol]

3RL good enough?

I had a 2.5RL team but the second one was 4RL...
So I made both 3RL

[quick lake]

Both 3RL are good. 2.5 RL teams rather situational imo

[limber patrol]

and what about 2RL?

I can try but I lose a ton of support (not counting losing a lot of combat power)

I'm trying to build pvp characters, I should be fine after this Solo Raid because I'm mainly missing dolls

for Centi and Anis

and behind on multiple OL too, not enough gear exp

[quick lake]

Yeah, gear exp big bottleneck. Hard to properly run a 2RL and 3RL team unless u have the right units

2-3 3RL teams with good CP/synergies are good

[void swan]

Bro my second team got demolished in a second

[quick lake]

You shouldnt be using ur defend teams to attack. By right u should tailor ur attacks to enemies team

Defend and attack completely different

[void swan]

Oh I wanted attack

[quick lake]

Analyse ur opponents’ team and adjust ur stack teams accordingly

Can look at pinned messages as a guide for team building

[kindred tinsel]

omg lets go!!

[unkempt kestrel]

any improvements or position changes I can make on my sp arena team? Team 3 is just CP team

My units

[rich fiber]

Pulled for PVP, not disappointed. Makes up for terrible Cindy rolls.

[tribal tartan]

Pvp units gained

[keen vapor]

I won another Isabel I'm ready for her treasure

Send help

[quick lake]

Good start! Teams are a little on the slow side at 4RL for team 2. Generally for most DPS like SBS/SAnis, its usually nice to have at least 1 buffer

T1: Noise Cindy Centi Noir SBS
T2: Blanc Biscuit SAnis Rumani xMaiden
T3: Alice Crown Rapunzel Maiden Drake ( or pure cp padded team)

[keen vapor]

I would swap Drake and Maiden positions

[quick lake]

The idea was maiden's taunt to take pressure off Alice P1?

at least that's what I was thinking

[keen vapor]

Maiden taunts?

[quick lake]

she does

[keen vapor]

I've never got her so I never knew

That's a really strange kit

[kindred tinsel]

im so far in enemy lines ill set camp out here

[late schooner]

Maiden only taunts 30secs in right? So it pretty much never happens in pvp

[keen vapor]

Oh, you right

[steady steeple]

Can someone help me beat these teams?

[keen vapor]

Move her

[kindred tinsel]

t1 and t3 look beatable for you

[quick lake]

But but, maiden's reflect dmg helps in burst gen too

okay nvm

read wrong rip

[steady steeple]

I agree, but how? Who should I use? Bc the teams I used there lost

[kindred tinsel]

hmm let me see

t1: Noah, Rapu, Cindy, Noir, Bay

t2 : Noise, Blanc, RH, EIN, Anis

for t1 you prob win this most easiest since burst gen isnt the highest with mostly ar units on this team

[copper creek]

scarlet's?

[quick lake]

I rmbed wrongly. I thought Maiden reflected dmg like scarlet

Realised it was atk up, from being atked

[unkempt kestrel]

Should T1 have another B1 because noise can die very fast? Is Noir the buffer? yes she is

[kindred tinsel]

t2 maybe dps based to see who burst first

looking like your boxes you have higher power on your burst 2 units than your burst 3 you may have to even it out preferably rh been most invested here

oh didnt realize you had maiden too that could help with a cindy team also

[quick lake]

Ideally Noise is able to tank until burst. If not, can replace SBS with a B1. In this case, Noise buffs cindy's HP, which translates to more burst dmg as well

[keen vapor]

Bankai learned how to cook

They grow up so fast

[quick lake]

the more pvp chefs before CA, the better

[keen vapor]

Indeed

...... I... Might as well do some exercises for PVP

[tropic summit]

time to get fit for pvp

[steady steeple]

Litterally just got her, waiting on cooldown in my sync to level her

[brittle hill]

I don't see anyone mentioning vigor cube on Anis. Just trying to make sure she doesn't get indom instead of scarlet because she's on the center

Scarlet, Blanc, Anis, Centi, Jackal btw

[keen vapor]

Exam

[keen vapor]

2RL only invested Scarlet can

Yeah, Vigor on Anis is good idea

[keen vapor]

So, Centi was the one who got the attack line?

[brittle hill]

I can substitute quantum actually since I got some CS pulls on Anis. I'll have to invest a lot more into that team, ok it'll work out

[tropic summit]

CS 18% on anis?

[brittle hill]

Centi has 2.9 hp, Anis 2.466822 (with vigor 2.7) , scarlet 248

Planning on it

[tropic summit]

🤔

[brittle hill]

Yeah I didn't expect scarlet doll go to 15 with blue boxes

It worked so well already

[keen vapor]

Uuuhhh, I think Scarlet will be safe to get indom most of the time

She hurts herself

Still not bad to play safe

[quick lake]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[keen vapor]

SR?

[brittle hill]

No purple doll yet

[keen vapor]

We always go R15 with blue kits :pepeh:

@quick lake you have nothing to envy

[quick lake]

SR15 with blue doll is too lucky

[keen vapor]

Is R

[quick lake]

[limber patrol]

SR15*

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

Do we?

[keen vapor]

YES

[umbral crown]

Not me, i slap SR0 and work from it

[vapid lake]

U must be very lucky then

[keen vapor]

[formal cradle]

these are my current sp def teams

team 1: emilia/blanc/redhood/laplace/rumani
team 2: jackal/scarlet/bsoda/liter/centi
team 3: noah/noise/sanis/rapunzel/biscuit

should i make any changes to these teams? this is my roster

[light shore]

I haven't played sp arena in awhile and here are the nikkes I already invested in. What are the best teams I can make and are there any I should invest in for better teams? I got everyone but ade and the two new ones.

[tribal tartan]

This is how you get cp gapped

[vapid lake]

He's the one gapping everyone else so he's doing something right

[tribal tartan]

Hmm I see

[umbral crown]

Kinda

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Not really

[kindred tinsel]

[umbral crown]

Always strong

[covert lintel]

5 squad

[umbral crown]

Your time to cook 5 teams

[kindred tinsel]

[tribal tartan]

Wtf, I don’t have enough good nikke for that

[covert lintel]

idk if i have 5 team right now

[umbral crown]

You do, just need to think

[covert lintel]

still work on rumani

[umbral crown]

Oh, i have not touched her yet

[tribal tartan]

So basically 1-2 team are free always

[umbral crown]

Not really, thats just if you put auto teams

If you think enough you can make 5 optimal teams

[tribal tartan]

how to think

[swift mango]

Maybe swap jackal to p5 so you could burst with Liter?

[umbral crown]

Thinking

[swift mango]

I was just about to upgrade my Xmaiden when I got 2 piece of Bay gear... Yesterday and today... Back to upgrading Bay I guess...

Idk when will I be able to get the last piece though, maybe 2030.

[umbral crown]

Like me trying to get defender tetra chest

[swift mango]

I will give you 7 of them if I could

[formal cradle]

Good catch

[swift mango]

When your team is full of afkers. Happening right now.

[swift mango]

So did you get it?

[umbral crown]

nope, indi was not kind to me even with full burst weekend

[swift mango]

Just upgrade all your clip SG ofc

Not being about to do Kraken because you need to farm only 1 piece of gear suck.

[limber patrol]

it's so over

[swift mango]

I will definitely skip the next tetra defender unless she absolutely top meta

[limber patrol]

Goddess arena will need 10 squads

[tribal tartan]

I took months for cinder’s chest

[umbral crown]

i was kinda lucky i got full set before her banner was gone

[steady steeple]

For t2, that's for team3 right? Cause you said 1 & 3 should be beatable??

[kindred tinsel]

oh yeah that was a typo

[kindred tinsel]

share team before you fight so we can see if we need to make adjustments

[covert lintel]

i never hit to kraken

[kindred tinsel]

hmm looks fine kinda worried about the cp gap

[steady steeple]

Yeahhhh, that's what I'm worried about too

[kindred tinsel]

were you able to boost dps in power

[steady steeple]

Im sorry, what?

[kindred tinsel]

this is where you want your burst 3 dpses to be

if you remember it look like you had most of you burst 2s invested where dps should be

[steady steeple]

Ohhhhhhh, ok that makes sense, I'll work on that

[steady steeple]

Yep, couldn't beat 3

[rustic sandal]

any changes i should make to this pvp team (im new to this)

[kindred tinsel]

were you able to burst with 3 did you see what happened?

[steady steeple]

I barely bursted, but was Noise died before burst, and Cindy wiped everyone else

[kindred tinsel]

was it close or everyone was pretty much full hp

[steady steeple]

Not really close

[covert lintel]

change team 3 to 2 then change ein to rosanna

[steady steeple]

Interesting, should help burst much faster

[kindred tinsel]

looks like rookie arena
this either could either be atk or defense

rapu, rem, cindy, noir, maiden

but auto should get you past most fights with cp alone here early on

[steady steeple]

For the record, even with the high cp diff on 2, that team got wiped fast bc their team burst so freaking fast

[kindred tinsel]

do you have good cube placement on most of your units?

[steady steeple]

I think so?

[tropic summit]

team 1: as long as you're aware emi in p1 is exposed and that's expected on your end
team 2: scarlet p1, jackal p5, you want to burst with liter for the buff i suppose
team 3: you might want biscuit in p4 and rapu in p5

[steady steeple]

I use nikke. gg for those

[rustic sandal]

[formal cradle]

thanks, so basically keep same characters just change up tbeir positions?

[kindred tinsel]

i think we may have to improve your burst time and also tanks to survive until burst

[steady steeple]

[kindred tinsel]

itll help alot if you record your matches to help see whats working

[steady steeple]

Btw, Noah died before burst on t1, but rapunzel revived obviously, so that worked great

[keen vapor]

If Noah dies then Blanc will also

[fast relic]

XAnne is worth a ticket when she comes back correct

[keen vapor]

Pull first

But uh, yes I think

[fast relic]

I just spent 180 pulls and still haven't gotten winter Ludmila

I have like 1k tickets though

She's basically a better, B2 Rapunzel, right?

[keen vapor]

Yes if your B3 is attacker (she will do nothing if its Cinderella)

[umbral crown]

Yes

[umbral crown]

You think?

[keen vapor]

I'm fearing new PVP units

[umbral crown]

B2 buffer which can revive if anything and also heals

[umbral crown]

Wich news?

[keen vapor]

Like, in the next year

[umbral crown]

Mijo X.Anne is still 2 years old and still a great B2 for pvp

And you thinking in units which have not been released

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/chainsaw-man-csm-csm-anime-chainsaw-man-anime-denji-gif-26957270

[kindred tinsel]

[tribal tartan]

Where power

How to pvp without

[keen vapor]

She isn't here

[keen vapor]

Emilia

Emilia with around 8% charge speed + skill 1 at 7

That's why it says 21

[fast relic]

My B3s are SAnis and Cindy. Hmmm

[keen vapor]

That can't be

[umbral crown]

[fathom rock]

[fast relic]

I use noir for burst Gen does that count

[light shore]

alright, i'll try this out ty

[umbral crown]

there is a chance , feel you might burst first but once Cindy burst you might get k.o unless sbs gets indom

[fathom rock]

Watch blanc die again

[umbral crown]

put her P2 then

is rookie or sp

[fathom rock]

And this?

[fathom rock]

Sp

[umbral crown]

deficit

you nee dlike 382k to be in range

[fathom rock]

Biscuit

Only case I see this losing is if blanc bursts

[umbral crown]

i faced a similar team before with deficit and it was hard

had to ajust it to win

[fathom rock]

If only I had 20 more lvls

[umbral crown]

not just levels, its about investment

because im 294 and my teams are 410,398 and 382

but if i ajust them i could do 2 teams over 430 or so

but you are 322 , all your teams should be over 400k

or 450 each one

[fathom rock]

I keep rolling 1 ol line, and super success doesn't exist

[covert lintel]

that was bc u used sg and mg against jackal in p1 and biscuit

[steady steeple]

P1?

[dapper blade]

How to beat this team?

[umbral crown]

So sad

[dapper blade]

Nvm got it 😁

[steady steeple]

Ah, gotcha

[tribal tartan]

Team broken, what do

[swift mango]

Comrade

[swift mango]

Switch SBS to p1 and you could win.

[fathom rock]

I lost, they killed my entire comp before burst

[swift mango]

Not enough burst gen.

Build your centi, Jackal, rumani

[fathom rock]

What rumani I tried to get her but she skipped me

[swift mango]

You could have won this easily should you used Jackal instead of B.Soda

[swift mango]

I used 80 pulls to get her there 🥲

[swift mango]

But does she better than Blanc for Scarlet?

[nocturne arrow]

need help again guys

[umbral crown]

She is better but in some specific fights but blanc has the advantage of indom + damage taken but X.Anne is Atk buff + heals, also more burst gen and if the unit dies before burst she csn revive it

[quick lake]

Blanc burst gen is potatoes

[swift mango]

Couldn't be helped

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Equip Noise with Vigor cube. Doll and OL her as well

[quick lake]

Noise P2 is bad idea also. Feeds enemy’s burst gen

[swift mango]

Oh wait, your Noise isn't even link... OL her helm and doll her up bro.

Your Noise is worse ATK than your Blanc.

Might as well, kick Noise out and Add RH or something.

[nocturne arrow]

Done that but not mix max on OL and doll still lvl 5

[swift mango]

How your Noise having less atK than Blanc is beyond me

[nocturne arrow]

I think blanc have more stat from OL

[swift mango]

Check out her stat. Then roll of all ATK line from Blanc if you has to.

Or remove her cube.

Or just kick Noise out

[nocturne arrow]

So i need to have her have more att than blanc right?

[swift mango]

Yes just read jackal skill... But just kick her out and add RH or sth. Noise doesn't help anything in this match up.

[nocturne arrow]

Who RH?

[swift mango]

Red hood

[nocturne arrow]

Dont have her

[swift mango]

Then liter

Or just any units with good HP and high cp

It's not that hard to figure out

[swift mango]

There is also the issue of Blanc mirror. It's hard to win this kind of match unless you know their exact burst speed and fine tune it to be a bit slower.

Do you have Noah or something?

[nocturne arrow]

I also dont have noah

[swift mango]

Do you have scarlet or Cindy upgraded?

[nocturne arrow]

Cindy is still on the way, probably next week

Or should i try S.Anis with biscuits?

[swift mango]

You just need a good wipe to win this. S.Anis won't work.

[nocturne arrow]

Hmmm

[vapid lake]

Move blanc to p2 the indom went on noise cos she took too much splash dmg
But i dont think u're winning anyway because SBS loses to defender+biscuit

[nocturne arrow]

I have ein but she is less build than SBS

[swift mango]

Could work

If she is built

Ein+Blanc+ASS/liter+Centi+Jackal

But Cindy is better

Zzz I need skill reset...

Waste so many of them... At least I need to reset Tove now

[quick lake]

Pray for bugged kit. Free skill reset

[swift mango]

Skill reset should come along with New year.

But too long a wait.

I shouldn't have wasted the reset on S.Anis but I was stupid and raise her s3 to 10 for fun.

[quick lake]

Cp padding on SAnis at least

[potent ermine]

Bonk

[thorn pagoda]

@umbral crown i've spent the whole year with the same defence formation staying mostly at 3rd place.
never bothered to learn how to calculate burst damage and never had to bother learning about formations since i was in the same special arena for 9 months. it never changed lol

so now i'm forced to figure this all out, and i was so dumb that i kept using the attack formation thinking your opponents see that one

this is the current defence formation i'm using. i'll switch to the one you recommended a few days ago when those nikkes all have OL gear. thanks again lol

[wary wraith]

Need help with this, in rookie arena

[quick lake]

2-2.5RL scarlet/Cindy nuke should do the trick

[dusk marsh]

help me cook 3 team for sp arena plss

[quick lake]

T1: Blanc Scarlet Rouge Anis BSoda
T2: RPG MPriv Grave Neon Naga
T3: Auto the rest

[wary wraith]

scarlet rosanna emilia centi jackal works?

[quick lake]

Scarlet alone might not be able to one-hit nuke

[wary wraith]

oh you mean both scarlet and cindy

[quick lake]

Nah, either or
Noise + Cindy 2RL or
Scar RH(or xanne) 2RL

[bleak latch]

Hope it working

[quick lake]

Can try:
Noise Noah Emilia21 Cindy Jackal (2.5RL protected by Noah)
or
Scarlet Noah RH Emilia21 Jackal (2.5RL)

[wary wraith]

oh the only way for 2RL is Noise Cindy Jackal Centi Anis huh
can't use emilia

[quick lake]

Yep that cindy team works hopefully should work

[quick lake]

Might not work

[wary wraith]

gotta raise my CP cos im at 17.5% (based on opponent CP) or 21.3% (based on my cp) deficit
23 sync levels down hurts

[quick lake]

Give up on that team

[wary wraith]

this team bursts with emilia or cindy? should swap them around yeah?

[quick lake]

Ye burst cindy, my bad

[unkempt kestrel]

is there a reason why sanis burst needs to be 9 instead of 10?

[wary wraith]

they work pretty much the same, only slightly more ele damage, saves you resources

[quick lake]

lv9 is the sweet spot, when she reloads her ammo is perfectly 1

[bleak latch]

It’s work i won

[unkempt kestrel]

nothing bad will happen if its 10 right?

[quick lake]

[unkempt kestrel]

so shes 10/10/10

[quick lake]

Nope nothing wrong. More ele bonus, its good

[bleak latch]

But still too risky ill sticking with more tanky build team if facing with Emilia comp like this

[lunar dirge]

Yes, she'll be having 1 ammo in the mag at that level instead of

[quick lake]

Just that 9 is the minimum

[lunar dirge]

Which basically doubles her damage

[vapid lake]

Sanis is used in intercept, raid and campaign also so extra level wont hurt

[unkempt kestrel]

oo nice ty

[vapid lake]

[wary wraith]

@quick lake oh yeah, that cindy comp works, thanks!

[lunar dirge]

10 is nice to have, but too expensive for a lot of ppl

[quick lake]

Nice!! 🔥

[potent ermine]

Me to made sbs s2 lvl 10 for fun and cp

[lunar dirge]

them cpgappers

[swift mango]

S1-2 is much cheaper and easier to waste than S3's books.

Discord event and Link log-in bonus all reward skill book 1. But never the burst one.

[quick lake]

Got scarlet and jackal's doll to SR5 bye bye blue mats

Yeah, i've completely run out of burst skill mats

[misty finch]

Can someone help with SP arena teams pls? Refresh has screwed me

[obtuse granite]

What’s XMaidens Burst gen?

[tropic summit]

clip SG

[obtuse granite]

Don’t have numbers ready, who is comparable to her in terms of Burst gen? Noir (18) or more?

[tropic summit]

sbs blanc rapu pepper noir
scarlet grave liter centi jackal
anis noise cindy biscuit soda:SB

[tropic summit]

yes it's on noir burst gen levels

[graceful grotto]

Kinda curious why is xmaiden in prydwen pvp rated S when her burst gen is higher than clip SG

[lunar dirge]

Not higher

On par with them

[vapid lake]

maybe cos SS reserved for clip RL?

[lunar dirge]

ss=clip rl, s=clip sg

So yeah, he's right

[swift mango]

Laplace+ is SS though

They are basically the same thing

[lunar dirge]

she is because she does good offburst damage AND is iron code

so she can melt electric code units

[swift mango]

Maiden also deal good off burst damage

[lunar dirge]

xmaiden presses only 1 position

laplace does it to 2

and iron code can use ele damage lines in pvp the most

while electric does it only to emilia

[swift mango]

She does but not much. P2 is safe. Even with Laplace. Not that many people put elec inp2

[lunar dirge]

and pressure to p1 is easier to counter

just put defender

[swift mango]

Like I said, Laplace alone isn't enough to kill p2.

[lunar dirge]

laplacet does good with 2 atk lines,ppl had tested that already

[lunar dirge]

but there are 5 units

and you can use

[swift mango]

It's defend on what in p2

[lunar dirge]

other rl's

[lunar dirge]

lapalcet can be used to melt p1 scar even if linked,so here's that too

[swift mango]

Other RL is weak. Most RL in arena are Clip RL defender. Except Emilia.

[swift mango]

She can but still need help. The help that XMaiden probide

[lunar dirge]

still,their cheap damage might do the difference

[lunar dirge]

yup

but as i said

[swift mango]

See they basically the same thing

[lunar dirge]

pressure to 2 units is harder to counter than pressure to 1

defender biscuit will fully lockdown the xmaiden damage

[swift mango]

You normally don't need to worry about p2 even with Laplace+ as enemy

[lunar dirge]

while laplce will be only halved

[swift mango]

Unless p1 ded

[lunar dirge]

important or scarlet teams tho

if you do enough damage,you might buff with 0 buffs

cuzz you put the team on low enough hp

[swift mango]

If you talk about p1 Scarlet then XMaiden is just a s good

[lunar dirge]

depending if p2 is linked

[swift mango]

Unless they put 2 link in P1+2 to earn more regen

[lunar dirge]

and often they are not to not brick the burst order

like rh or if you somehow slap attacker sg or rosanna

[bleak latch]

this comp somehow work

[lunar dirge]

has 4 atk% ol

[tropic summit]

kinda like a noah noise biscuit s.anis laplace/emi would, she does cover kind of same role: offburst-dps

[swift mango]

It's just she won't be killed by SG haha. And she buff S.Anis

[lunar dirge]

ok,i'll try to explain my point further:the reason clip sg's are valuable are because they offer hight burst gen and have high single target damage:xmaiden is esseintially that:clip sg turned into rl,but laplace goes 1 step further:pressures p1 and p2(iron code,can kill:scar,noise,p2 biscuit,linked rosanna,cinderella,said xmaiden,ein)

the reason she is ss

is because pvp is swarmed with electric units

otherwise s

[swift mango]

XMaiden is more than a clip SG.

She buff ASS and Ein. She could be a tanky p5. She doesn't feed.

[bleak latch]

i kinda brute force my team to kill enemy scarlet with sbs/rh and it's working tho even without rosana magic

with enemy scarlet gone the rest is streamroll

[lunar dirge]

she doesn't really buff them,electric ele damage is useless,20% atk dmg buff from a defender is nothing to them,the only upgrade is that ashe doesn't feed,but neither does laplace

[swift mango]

People are in for a bad ride if they look at the tier list and think that XMaiden is easy skip because they can just use Clip.SG instead

[lunar dirge]

she will be pulled for bossing i believe

and she saves elysion

[swift mango]

A buff is a buff no matter how small that is. That's while Noir is used over sugar.

[lunar dirge]

4 c7 units

[swift mango]

Eh but Won't nSBS burst instead?

[lunar dirge]

noir is an attacker,xmaiden is a defender and buffas electric units,who have an overabundance of said buffs:120% atk buff on scar,70% atk on ein,50% atk for s.anis,hp to atk coversion for cindy)

[tropic summit]

yeah an upgrade of sort for s.anis, albeit sacrificing splash compared to emi and laplace 🤔

[lunar dirge]

scar sac team

[bleak latch]

in somecase my og scarlet ded sbs will burst

[lunar dirge]

and sbs does so much damage enemy scar team will die in 4 hits

[bleak latch]

but i think this may work better

[lunar dirge]

i use this minus the rh btw,i put jackal to force rosanna out

[lunar dirge]

try xmaiden

[swift mango]

Okay this is your team, not their

[bleak latch]

RH still does decent amount of damage

[lunar dirge]

or laplacet

[swift mango]

Nvm

[bleak latch]

Xmaiden has her place here

[lunar dirge]

you didn't notice he had 4 c7 units?

[swift mango]

Eh it's fine.

[lunar dirge]

also,laplacet has insane ol potential in pvp,40% atk and 80% ele means she's bane to all electric units and it's hard to know on defence:will show a vid of example

[quick lake]

Hmm, I was thinking about this comp and I think its pretty good. I would do Noise P5 there, cause Noise taunt and feeds enemy more burst gen

Gonna steal that setup

[swift mango]

If placing this kind of Laplace. You will know after one fight. The bracket isn't that huge and you forget.

[quick lake]

4atk 4ele 4cs Laplace becomes a monster

[covert lintel]

completely agree, especially when lap+ have 4CS with a minimal 4%
even noise won't make it in time to burst

[lunar dirge]

forcing to not have p1 and p2 electric unit is huge deal tho,since it can break the burst order

[swift mango]

And that's when

P1 biscuited + P2 sarc + Rossanna

Make your Laplace against you lol. Easy win.

[lunar dirge]

what doesn't allow you to run noah?you can run her with emi,scar team or a godcomp

[swift mango]

After p2 ded your Regen will be cut by half. So you can't burst at all. You don't even need to run Rossanna for that.

Scarlet p2 and ded in one shot but win would be hilarious

[lunar dirge]

that can only work if you're not cpgapped by running weak p2

[swift mango]

Your don't need weak p2. With Laplace that strong any normal invest with OL electric attacker would ded in one shot

[lunar dirge]

where you saw scar teams where you run 2 electric units at p1 and p2?

[swift mango]

I mean you said Laplace+ on defense so attacking can use anything

[lunar dirge]

the only thing there is

is scar xmaiden

[lunar dirge]

true that,but scar doesn't use any electric code besides herself,either other 2 teams are bricked

[swift mango]

And I didn't said electric p1 though.

[lunar dirge]

scar is always p1 there,since jackal p1 doesn't allow for p1 buffer,and bringing b2 buffer like blanc on p1 won't allow for feed

if electric isn't p1

that means enemy is using noah biscuit,or defender biscuit,or is on team 3 and is out of options to do something decent

[swift mango]

I mean the one attacking can build any team they want

Centi+Scarlet+Rosy+Biscuit+XMaiden for example.

Scarlet would ded to your strong Laplace+ making your team lose burst. While Rosy make it a 2RL team with her s2. Then xMaiden slap.

[lunar dirge]

so he wasted biscuit on a scar team,how to win the other 2 if there is an emi team(preferably blanc emi with p5 tia to counter the sbs) to deal with and cindy burst dump in 2,5rl

[swift mango]

The only need to win one more team. You don't need to win3

Noah solved Cindy and she is available

You also have ton of Clip RL left

[lunar dirge]

if noah doesn't die*

and she can

escpecially with invested cindy xmaiden damage

[swift mango]

Because Laplace available in other team too right? And Jackal link doesn't exist?

Moran left the chat as well

[lunar dirge]

if you use jackal not in p1,you'll feed the enemy since taunting the rl units towards hittig 3 units instead of 2,so team might become faster

[lunar dirge]

moran won't be enough for cindy,i tested it with 4/7/7

[swift mango]

Moran can survive until burst easily

[lunar dirge]

sr5

[lunar dirge]

true,but she doesn't protect against cindy's burst,unless,you run something like moran noah sbs centi jackal,but that won't be enough gen,since noah will feed the opponent

[swift mango]

The heck is this team lol....

[lunar dirge]

well,you suggested noah moran

this one is 3 rl

and you feed some extra energy

with p2 noah

[swift mango]

Bruh dude it's very defendant on their team for what to use.

[lunar dirge]

this

and laplce limits it quite hard

we came to the beginning

[swift mango]

You could just jackal link on Noah and forget about Moran

[lunar dirge]

do you know how hard is to get a link for defender?especially for solo raid player?

even if u use 1 supporter,you probably won't

get it

like,you need 2 t11 atk lines to do it,and it might be enough if you noah has low cores

[swift mango]

It's defending on what Cindy team have as well.

And Noah can be p5

[trail inlet]

noah p5 to not burst?

[swift mango]

Just don't bring other b2

[trail inlet]

thats a lot of conditions for a team

has to be defender and also no b2 damn

[swift mango]

Not much condition.

Consider to whole box available after the first fight

[lunar dirge]

what will you use for last

[swift mango]

What Scarlet is that?

[lunar dirge]

sbs,we used scar for last team

[swift mango]

Then Emilia

[lunar dirge]

unbuffed emi won't do enough

[swift mango]

Move SBS to p1

[rich quail]

[trail inlet]

[rich quail]

[lunar dirge]

this looks ass ngl

[fossil sage]

how can i build my teams

[lunar dirge]

i'm not sure if it'll survive

[mighty haven]

wtf positioning is this

[swift mango]

Well I don't even know what that Cindy team have so how could I do?

[trail inlet]

[covert lintel]

if this is for atking, i think it would just make opponent happy

[lunar dirge]

ok,the standart magdump

[trail inlet]

no noah no biscuit, when you get one of those 2 come back
you cant make any good teams
just highest cp

[rich quail]

[swift mango]

Won't the usual stall team just solve this?

They don't have much pressure on p1

[lunar dirge]

cinderella has too much damage,2rl won't allow to stall this

[swift mango]

Noah p1 would certainly survive here

And if your worry

Noise+Noah+SBS+Anis+Jackal

Should be enough.

Just use Noise to steal taunt from Noah

If there is any worry about feed to begin with

They already 2rl

This conversation is going everywhere at this point. My bad.

[swift mango]

You probably could do

Noise+Centi+Anis+Jackal+Cindy

S.Anis+Blanc+RH+Noir+Rumani

Auto team.

[lunar dirge]

we somehow went from proving that laplcet is better than xmaiden to team building

bruh

[swift mango]

It was XMaiden vs Clip SG to begin with

But XMaiden deserve better, my point stand.

[lunar dirge]

my bad,i thought you meant xmaiden since she is s tier

[lunar dirge]

she does the same damage as clip sg

minus the feed

[swift mango]

Clip SG shot P5 and feed jackal, also ded to Scarlet.

XMaiden help kill p1 acarlet

And can be Biscuit

If even Alice is SS then xMaiden should also be there.

[lunar dirge]

i mean while it's true,there is only 1 team that does this,and clip sg's can help to kill p5 on defence

[swift mango]

But they can't helped but be killed in defense team. XMaiden doesn't have that problem.

And her nuke is better than theirs

[lunar dirge]

meh,worse rosanna

[swift mango]

If you ever need it

[trail inlet]

lets be fr no one is gonna burst with xmaiden

she is gonna be a burst gen unit any way i see it

[lunar dirge]

clip sg tier=s tier,same damage as a attacker clip sg minus the feed

the feed alone is not enough for ss tier

[swift mango]

2RL XMaiden need less Clip RL to make and could do the join just fine against team that's p1 not Biscuited

[loud sonnet]

Where's the burst gen chart?

i don't see it on pins

[swift mango]

Her burst is certainly better than Clip SG. Almost on same tier as Alice for p1 hunt purpose.

There was one guy show case hit 2RL XMaiden team for attacking yesterday. It could one shot Noah before she trigger Biscuit even, if lucky ofc. But it would work fine without throwing it at biscuit team.

Her usefulness should be around Laplace+ and Alice with all of her kit combined. Imo.

Ofc nvm. This is just my pointless rambling.

[swift mango]

Check Keripo comment. Find the burst gen Calculator sheet. There is burst gen chart there.

[tropic summit]

or blood could've just given you the link

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JUiiuHysG3vlWRPVx_wT6zUwkc5Ob9n8G0azCbuwlA8/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[loud sonnet]

Ok thx

[static stirrup]

If it were you, would you choose to arrange the team according to image 1 or 2? there are all my nikkes.

[swift mango]

T1: Alice p1, move everything else one step to the right

T2: Scarlet p1, Jackal p5.

T3

Centi+Naga+Rapunzel+Cindy+Maiden

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

cindy p1 in T3 🤨

[swift mango]

Did it got fixed with yesterday patch or not?

[static stirrup]

def team also arrange like that?

[tropic summit]

was it tested?

[swift mango]

Idk that's why I asked

[tropic summit]

mhm i haven't seen it tested yet

[swift mango]

It's for def team.

[static stirrup]

oh i see. as you said if you arrange the def team then the 1st picture will be better than the 2nd picture right?

[swift mango]

Oh shit you post two pic.... Sorry didn't see.

So the first pic I arranged it like that, you could use it for attacking.

T3 you could keep it as you made before.

Record the fight and post it here though. Thanks.

[lunar dirge]

prob not,they gave up on fixing her aim issue,so i don't think the decoy will be fixed

[spice trellis]

So maiden is same burst gen as Noah or?

[swift mango]

But in the patch note they said it fix some Cindy decoy issue

[spice trellis]

Since it’s been 90 days since I was last attacked in SP arena I have completely abandoned PvP

[spice trellis]

So I’m clueless at the burst gen stuff

[static stirrup]

got it. thanks

[lunar dirge]

hmm

nice if it truly happened then

wait

[swift mango]

Don't thanks me. I was just using your t3 to test. Lol...

[lunar dirge]

the shields

not the cover

[lunar dirge]

wait,i know what is this one about probably

[swift mango]

Who knows if it's typo

[static stirrup]

lol

[lunar dirge]

it included damge to shield and decoy into the final unit damage

the one that we use to see which unit dealt how much damage

[swift mango]

If you worry of losing then just use the t3 position I suggested and don't need to record haha.

[lunar dirge]

i saw this bug during massive object sr

[tropic summit]

xmaiden is clip SG burts speed

same as noir, drake etc

[lunar dirge]

yes

[spice trellis]

Slightly higher than clip sg and below Emilia I assume?

[swift mango]

Noah though, not Noir

[lunar dirge]

@swift mango probably this

[lunar dirge]

the same

with clip sg's i mean

oh

[spice trellis]

I’m so out of the loop with arena now. Heavy gapping everyone in my servers so I lost any track of arena since like 3-4 months. Probably outdated in bis teams for SP as well

[spice trellis]

Champ arena gonna be rough for me

[tropic summit]

are you a dolphin/whale or f2p?

[spice trellis]

Between dolphin and whale. Not a true whale but not dolphin either

[tropic summit]

then you'll be fine, just get 3 meta teams and 2 padded

[spice trellis]

Wait why is she slower than clip sg in 3 RL ?

[tropic summit]

due to how her kit works to apply the extra burst gen

[lunar dirge]

it's 3,5

not 3rl

2rl,2.5,3.3,5

[spice trellis]

Whats even meta team now. Last I ran it I had the standard scarlet team then sanis god team and Emilia icbm. I figure out there’s a Cindy team now that counters everything except blanc/noah 2 rl

[spice trellis]

Ah yea I got confused with the columns

[lunar dirge]

well,cindy is now a nice counter to blanc emi rh biscuit centi comp

basically,defence meta didn't change much

we just got more offence options

[tropic summit]

pick any of these:

scarlet blanc rh centi jackal
rumani anis cinderella emilia21 noir/xmaiden
noah noise s.anis biscuit rapunzel
Scarlet/Blanc/Laplace+/Red Hood/Jackal
Noise Rumani SBS Bay Biscuit
blanc/emilia/rh/xmaiden/b.soda

all variations from meta matrix

if you don't want to spend time cooking/getting cooked

[kind glen]

I'm using this def team for sp arena, is there anything better than this or should i replace someone?

Blanc-SBS-Red Hood-Noir-Jackal

Moran-Rapunzel-Biscuit-ASS-Emilia

Noah-Noise-Centi-Pepper-Cinderella

[static stirrup]

i'll try it tomorrow

[spice trellis]

Is the charge speed bug still persisting

[tropic summit]

what

[lunar dirge]

you mean keripo's test matrix?

[spice trellis]

Autocorrect shenanigans

[tropic summit]

some people are happy with high win rate teams instead of checking what's best in their bracket afterall

[tropic summit]

there's no such bug, minus the occasional whiffs or cover/reload sheningans

[spice trellis]

So it got fixed

[nocturne hull]

chat im kinda new to the game could anyone help me out for rookie and sp arena team building ?

[swift mango]

Team 2 might not make 3RL but 3.5rl instead. But it could be fine I guess.

T1, move SBS to p1. Put quantum on Jackal

[spice trellis]

@worthy knoll have you seen any A2 teams lately?

[kind glen]

ok

anything else?

[swift mango]

Idk your box so I could only move the positioning. It's good enough. You could post your box and ask others to help. I'm tired now.

[tropic summit]

centi grave privaty RH vesti
anis liter cind alice xmaiden
auto (highest remaining CP)

when you find more clip SG or clip RL you can work on a better 3rd team

[tropic summit]

rookie:

centi biscuit cind RH anis
or
centi anis privaty rh xmaiden

[quick lake]

This pre-cooked teams are nice. Gonna steal some of them

[tropic summit]

go for it, keep in mind the downside of those teams is that they're rather well known, so a bit more tested to counter

an experienced player might have an easier time against those than some weird combos

[quick lake]

Not like many ppl rmb pvp comps anyways

[tropic summit]

aye true aswell

[quasi trellis]

hey so im tryna get into pvp, prolly just rookie for now, but i wouldnt mind sp arena as well, but could i get some teams bychance?

was a pain to get these all in low amount of images

[quick lake]

MLB Nihilister

[tropic summit]

the lad likes their dragon

[quasi trellis]

amen, best girl

going for that +7

[static stirrup]

I still dont understand much about position in pvp. def team will be reversed when entering the battle right? So will burst position be changed?

[swift mango]

It's just visual effects. Nothing changes for the burst order or targeting.

[quick lake]

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/pvp-mechanics
Can read more here

[swift mango]

Kinda wonder if I should find a higher rank union for a few hundreds more every raid looking at this lol.

[quick lake]

Nihil is so niche

Cubes more impt still

[quasi trellis]

i just have my own union, we barely clear the raids, but im not fussed, good things come to those who wait

[tropic summit]

scarlet grave RH centi jackal
noah noise cind emi noir
sbs blanc rapu nihi xmaiden

check CP on your T3 with anis, if it's too low replace anis with noir

[swift mango]

My union is platinum and pretty chill. I could probably find a chilling diamond one. But would take some work.

[quick lake]

Some higher rank unions can be pretty chill also, just the initial search can be tedious

[tropic summit]

burst order remains the same as pre-match when you're checking the enemy team

the positioning order is just inverted afterward

[swift mango]

Yeah, I mean a chill diamond one.

[quasi trellis]

you mean the xmaiden? im kinda confused bc itd require moving noir from t2

[tropic summit]

xmaiden correct

xmaiden either in p2 instead of noir then noir instead of anis in t3, up to you in terms of CP

[static stirrup]

so do we need to change the position when arranging the team? for example, when attacking and defending, where should the jackal be?

[quasi trellis]

all good, ill send numbers ina moment

[tropic summit]

no, defense and attack work the same in your own team making

the advantage of attack is that you know what you gonna fight, defense will be the opposite, as attacker decides which of your 2 teams out of 3 they gonna fight

[static stirrup]

got it

pvp need too much brain lol

[tropic summit]

not as much as brain as experience, make sure to record your fights and perhaps check advise when unsure, you can learn a lot from just practice

[static stirrup]

and i need to fight this levithan <(")

[tropic summit]

takes some time but you'll get there

[tropic summit]

is your CP within 15,4% deficit? if so you've a chance

[static stirrup]

[quasi trellis]

like so?

[opal breach]

is diesel worth building for new player

[quick lake]

no where is she useful

[tropic summit]

aye, move anis in p4 and nihi in p5 (this is due to p5 potentially exposed to dmg, anis SR stats are lower than nihil)

[quick lake]

||unless tower||

[tropic summit]

the rest looks good to go

[opal breach]

oh so just stick with anis and dont build her?

[quasi trellis]

thanks a ton, and i moved her just now ye, also yeah my nihi has considerably higher stats than anis xD

[quick lake]

Anis solely for burst gen yes

[quasi trellis]

this is my current rookie team as well, should i change anything or just not care? lol

[sacred hornet]

How to counter this comp? Assuming you have every nikke

[tropic summit]

template anti s.anis wins this

[tropic summit]

worse case scenario, 2.5RL emi nuke:

counter with 3RL:
noah noise biscuit s.anis laplace/emi

[quick lake]

RH not bursting here. You want to be bursting RH B1 and Noah then scarlet

[tropic summit]

if it's a 3RL emi nuke, even less variables

[harsh echo]

goddam people are bouncing offa me left and right
i didnt even change up my team im convinced my PL difference is just carrying

[tropic summit]

ch 10 rank is a well contested rank, due to access from upper dia1

you're essentially a bottleneck

[harsh echo]

[quick lake]

[harsh echo]

wont be long before someone manages to shove me down

[quick lake]

Surprised u lasted so long

[harsh echo]

so far the reshuffle knocked someone else offa challenger
but somehow that pushed me from dia1 into challenger 10

the first few months i was fighting just to stay in top 11 then after the first reshuffle my arena has been really quiet

[quasi trellis]

lemme re-open game, should i also do this for defense too ya think?

[swift mango]

He can get hit from rank 11 to rank 30.

[harsh echo]

i went an entire season without being targeted once

[swift mango]

Ofc the rank 11 no one care about.

[harsh echo]

it wasn't always the case

[swift mango]

If you are stronger than r12-15 then they ofc won't hit you

[harsh echo]

actually you rite i was being smacked around every time when i was 15

the moment i got to rank 11 it was just quiet

im too scared to change up my team to use the actual pvp meta because theyre so low im just gonna keep holding on

[swift mango]

Well, I still use Crown in defense team. Screw Jackal feed, just let them eat lead.

[quasi trellis]

so like this, yea?

[tropic summit]

try to get ch7 or ch4 as next step, those are the generally least targets ch positions

[tropic summit]

might aswell use noise elsewhere if she's gonna be in that team 🤔

[swift mango]

Hmmm maybe replace Noise with Biscuit

[quasi trellis]

okay

drop of 18k power, but i can invest in them all over the coming days -rh and scar bc high invest alr

[tropic summit]

18k isn't too bad as long as you don't get CP padded due to that

a meta team of 18k less is far better than a non meta team with 18k more

especially at your sync level if anything

[quasi trellis]

fair, yeah i mean i got a lot of spare rocks, i just got no gear for exp xD

73 blue rocc

[quick lake]

[swift mango]

He is likely to be CP pressed. Since they could field a 550k+ team at his level. But Biscuit+Defender is the best weapon against the normal attack pure CP press team.

[quasi trellis]

my highest team is 605k while still being a full burst team, but yeah a lot of people are just more invested in their nikke, could be padded, but idk

avg isnt too bad

[swift mango]

A normal attack 5rl+ team at 600k would likely lose to your biscuit team. They could have RL to snip Scarlet and SG though.

[quasi trellis]

wew okay, thats good to know, ill hafta try it out then

thnx a ton yall, im awful at team comps, especially pvp xD

[umbral crown]

[static stirrup]

why can he burst earlier than me

[bleak shale]

positioning error, ur forcing him to hit ur p2 and hes getting decoy hit

[static stirrup]

so

what should i do

[bleak shale]

move cindy away from p1

to like p4 or 5

[devout yew]

Guys can someone help me with pvp tm

I use tia / red hood/ biscuit / sbs and liter

[swift mango]

Replace Liter with Jackal and you should be fine

[devout yew]

Thats all? Lol ok what about noah comp?

[swift mango]

Then replace Noah with Tia. If you want, swap place RH and SBS

[devout yew]

Ok 👌 ty

[nocturne arrow]

i just check and my noise does have more att thank blanc
470k ish to 440k ish

so what the problem?

[sleek ginkgo]

Hi I just decided to return for pvp
I need help for my 3 teams in sp arena pls

[bleak shale]

From ur video she definitely has less atk than blanc

Or else jackal would have linked her

[muted stag]

Any of these 2 person able to fight?

[swift mango]

Likely OL line then

[nocturne arrow]

What that mean?

[muted stag]

meaning u have attk% line on ur equipment for blanc and not noise

the numbers there is base attack and not with the equipment extra%

[nocturne arrow]

That weird because i try to reduce her attack on OL then i realized there is no +att on there.

And when i check, blanc does have less att.

[nocturne arrow]

So i need to remove all +att on blanc?

[cedar orbit]

to be fair I think he would lose that fight anyways since he is using SBS into Biscuit

[muted stag]

or u can just doll up ur noise to get more attack

[nocturne arrow]

Already use a purple doll on her.
Cant upgrade the doll tho

[muted stag]

nvm

[hallow trench]

guys if anyone can help me to make my special arena team , i dont know a lot about pvp and i am havbing problems now on diamont / challenger

[rare sinew]

Are my teams decent? Would I need to change it a bit, can anyone help me?

[cedar orbit]

for attack, you do have to make teams to specifically counter others

[muted stag]

how do you get this team gen ratio page my shows this

[cedar orbit]

I used the other calculator

[muted stag]

can i see it?

[hallow trench]

Tyyy! That should be my def teams ?

[cedar orbit]

https://tinyurl.com/kosmiu-burst-gen-calc it's pinned

[hallow trench]

And there is a guide or something where i can see pvp counters , combs etc for attack ?

[cedar orbit]

I think they are fine teams, all of them got going something for themselves, all of them burst in 3 rocket launcher hits

[cedar orbit]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R6qzhnPx85kEoYidYUs-K0hJy61APMQGj5nRSgdvRUU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

the tier list has general explanations what notable units do

and this is the calculator Flame used, it has more info https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JUiiuHysG3vlWRPVx_wT6zUwkc5Ob9n8G0azCbuwlA8/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[kindred tinsel]

switch out harran for rh

[cedar orbit]

you can save a copy for yourself and change teamcomps, so you see how fast your team and the opposing team charges

[tropic summit]

scarlet grave rh centi jackal
emi blanc sbs xmaiden rapu
noah noise cindy noir laplace+

[sleek ginkgo]

Could I replace noir with summer anis ?

[tropic summit]

summer anis is a non clip SG, lemme check how it affects burst gen

[sleek ginkgo]

What does non clip SG mean ?

[tropic summit]

i don't recommend it, you'd burst 1RL later

[tropic summit]

it's burst gen speed, it essentially dictates when your team bursts

[cedar orbit]

The issue with your rookie arena team is that it never charges and Rouge probably dies almost instantly. Special Arena team 1 looks okayish, Jackal's damage share doesn't do anything, Harran probably can't 1-shot anything. Biscuit makes your team survive for a long time, so sustained damage carry would be a better pick. Team 2 never bursts, Modernia burst doesn't do anything, team 3 same issue of being very slow

[sleek ginkgo]

Ok got it thanks

[tropic summit]

in order of burst gen (from high to low)

clip RL, clip SG, non clip RL, non clip SG (there are a few exceptions), AR, anything else

[tropic summit]

in case you feel like needing a s.anis team, team 3 can be changed to:

noah noise biscuit s.anis laplace+

[sleek ginkgo]

Is Laplace good investment for future pvp ? It will cost me a lot to upgrade her

[tropic summit]

hmm it is overall a useful pick, especially being earth element against eletric meta (cindy, scarlet, noise, biscuit to name a few)

her splash dmg hits a lot more on those, which can lead to faster wipes/better trades off burst

as treasured her burst becomes clip SG aswell

[cedar orbit]

It's kind of a huge investment for a mediocre unit

[tropic summit]

on pve she has a bit more limited perfomance, but on pvp she can serve her role, especially with CA approaching

[sleek ginkgo]

Does elemental damage play a big role in pvp also? If I roll 4 lines on Laplace she will melt electric unit ?

[tropic summit]

that's pretty much correct, albeit it's situational on nikke element, people is generaly more compelled investing rocks in atk% on carries and charg speed on batteries

[bleak shale]

it can

[quick lake]

SR15 dolls dont come by often. You have to decide whether to do Laplace or main Dps

[bleak shale]

generally it wont be laplace bursting

as much as it is just burst gen

[tropic summit]

a biscuit in p2 facing an emi and laplace+ well built could be killed before being able to give a second run of invulnerability, for example

or a biscuit in p5 against a built RH might die the same way (as redhood will target p5 on atk)

[quick lake]

If you have to think whether its worth it, its not worth it

[lunar dirge]

mostly for iron code units

[cedar orbit]

I think it's hard to justify Laplace, since if you have most units, she won't be among the fastest chargers and you generally won't use her to burst

[tropic summit]

eletric units like rosanna for example can hit really hard on water unit such as emilia

due to elemental weakess, her already high burst that can 1hit, will likely be guaranteed on elemental exploit

[bleak shale]

laplace is fine as burst gen, shes basically clip shotgun that doesnt get rekt by jackal/scar

[lunar dirge]

She does strong off burst damage

[tropic summit]

if we change the question to "would you rather have or not have laplace+", just consider the following together:

-clip SG without feed
-offburst splash dps iron element
-will be useful in CA

[rare sinew]

Should I change jackal from team 1 and put the new rapunzel in?

[cedar orbit]

I suggest remaking all teams. Would you mind posting a picture of the characters you own?

[worthy knoll]

Uhh, the one with Max A2 is not on my bracket again so no

I would have build her though if I had her.. still regretting getting 2B over A2

[spice trellis]

I have A2 core 2 with 30% atk

And few charge speed lines

[lunar dirge]

not an issue for me

[spice trellis]

Just was wondering if I should build her cuz I had reset her skills

Now she’s sth like 7/4/4 or don’t remember

[cedar orbit]

I think it will be okay for now

just noticed how hard it is to make a 2RL team without Emilia without compromising your other teams

[rare sinew]

Sb or regular scarlet? And thanks for the help with the PvP teams, would there be anything I should be looking out for in the future with my teams ?

[cedar orbit]

It's regular Scarlet

[tropic summit]

@swift turret you can just type here, no need for DMs

[cedar orbit]

just general knowledge of how much energy each unit generates and what the higher ranked units do

[rare sinew]

How do y’all do this? Like yall have a phd in building these good teams with what yall have, I’d love to make my own very good/fun/funny/odd teams that I made but like it’s hard because there’s so much to it💀

[cedar orbit]

resource links in the pinned comments are neat

[tropic summit]

people just get informed, it's about knowledge/experience

you can start from here, relatively rapid read:

https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

[cedar orbit]

It would be nice if battle records showed what teams people used for attack

this was fixed, right?