pvp-arena

[keen vapor]

You'll see, when I start cooking, I try to search for the B2 meta units first, they are the core of the teams I build, since they change how I attack (like protecting myself with Noah or getting one unit unlikable with Blanc

[elder walrus]

a true chef who knows their craft. 🧎‍♂️

[keen vapor]

So much cores

[tropic summit]

ye, le masterchef has entered the kitchen, you're in good hands 🫡

[umbral crown]

[elder walrus]

i have alot stocked up to upgrade nikke skills. FYI, anything past kilo is 1/1/1

[keen vapor]

I also tend to calculate the age of an account to see wether or not someone is behind in levels on their own bracket.... Now, where's your Emilia

[elder walrus]

yeah, i didn't take the RE:Zero too serious as i don't watch it

[keen vapor]

Emiless against people who has her

Also, I always use burst calculator (which is on pins, Kosmiu one) to build teams so I know they have enough speed

[elder walrus]

i noticed speed is a massive factor

[keen vapor]

This is why it takes me time to cook

[tropic summit]

he'll be fine, if i can do it so can he

what concerns me more is that he also doesn't seem to have cindy and s.anis 🤔

[keen vapor]

Also, set alarms for sniping a position you don't want to miss on the end of seasons

[keen vapor]

[elder walrus]

... i didnt roll for S.Anis because i wanted Sakura. she is my number 1, original first SSR so she is special

[tropic summit]

understandable... waifus are important... but so is meta in PVP

[keen vapor]

Summer Anis appeared later for something

[elder walrus]

when you don't know the meta, you don't know these things

[kindred tinsel]

vigor cube is mine now

[keen vapor]

Someone missed a voucher

[keen vapor]

What about Grave or Cindy?

[elder walrus]

I rolled over 100 rolls on Grave/Cindy and didn't get a single SSR... and i didn't use my 400 golden tickets because i didn't know how important they would be

[keen vapor]

[elder walrus]

im learning alot being here and boy to i regret not at least getting 1 of them

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor don't go bald from these information

[keen vapor]

After 1 year at least your level is good

[tropic summit]

the lad had the best intentions

[keen vapor]

He has good level

Unlike me cause I hoard

[elder walrus]

i started during the chainsaw man arc and left before the summer event of the first year... then came back for new years and fell in love with SBS

and i havent stopped since. every day

[tropic summit]

it's called min/maxing, you're playing the better 4D chess

[keen vapor]

sometimes I can miss with the age of an account

Have I mentioned that nothing can be done against people 100 levels over you?

[elder walrus]

its those who leave and return that catch you out

[grizzled bone]

You can believe, dattebayo

[elder walrus]

i already assumed that one

[keen vapor]

Yes

So you want to face people at 50 levels huh? I see

[elder walrus]

well im stuck in Diamond 5 🧱 i think its called by the people in questions

[copper creek]

50-60 levels doable, 100 lol

[keen vapor]

I'm not sure, you'll have to invest Noise, Rapunzel... Among others to make the good teams, you still want to? Even for 1000 gems?

[keen vapor]

1600 gems

[elder walrus]

i have the ability to improve, that is not a factor (you can tell by my skins that money is not my issue in this game)

[kindred tinsel]

got soft locked at end now lazy to complete

[keen vapor]

you right

[keen vapor]

Understandable

[kindred tinsel]

oh time to pvp again

[keen vapor]

15 minutes more

[kindred tinsel]

everyone active last day

[keen vapor]

The good part is that gems are based on points

[copper creek]

faster get your challenger1 now boys

[elder walrus]

damn it, ive dropped to diamond 6

[copper creek]

last time you can get it before reshuffle

[keen vapor]

I was just getting challenger 6

[copper creek]

please push for challenger 1

[umbral crown]

si

[umbral crown]

[kindred tinsel]

oh the last dude i focused on started attacking me lol

time to get my points back

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/獅白ぼたん-ホロライブ-shishiro-botan-shishiro-botan-gif-25933696

@keen vapor

are you gonna fail the snipe?

[kindred tinsel]

no way he swap team order on me

[keen vapor]

That's a trick I sometimes fall into as well

[keen vapor]

Azur Lane?

[kindred tinsel]

he actually made some changes

2nd row new one

not sure how this team lost

[keen vapor]

These are two meta starter teams, since you're currently on brick level I'd like to start with the basics first

The first is a stall team, it becomes invulnerable for 3 seconds then it keeps healing itself while dealing a ton of damage

The second is super strong Scarlet nuke

However, it seems that most units in these teams aren't invested enough, this is specially bad for Scarlet, since she needs to have a high attack stat in order to be linked with Jackal's skill 2

[keen vapor]

Use Noah biscuit for middle right one

With Summer anis as DPS

[elder walrus]

yes chef, i can invest in anything required quite easily

[keen vapor]

Basically the Noah team I just cooked, but with Summer Anis

TIME TO SNIPE

[umbral crown]

no idea tbh

[kindred tinsel]

as in burst?

[keen vapor]

Yes, instead of Scarlet

[umbral crown]

thats a classic move if you do not double check before attacking

[solid flare]

i dont have a good idea as to how this guy is breaking my defence.

[kindred tinsel]

not like this gotta hurry

[umbral crown]

against S.Anis

Scarlet/Blanc/Red Hood/Noir/Jackal

Against Red Hood:

Noah/Noise/S.Anis or Emilia/Biscuit/Rapunzel

[solid flare]

lol i can break them easy. im just not sure how im not holding.

[umbral crown]

then go, 1 min left

[keen vapor]

Sniped

[solid flare]

i was gonna go on the 30 sec mark

[umbral crown]

0 snipes

[kindred tinsel]

nooo

[umbral crown]

ez

[solid flare]

the last day is ont for placements for next season anyay, the position/points dont change

[elder walrus]

as far as investing goes, are we talking like, 10/10/10 on all these units w/ gear upgrades

[copper creek]

🙂

[keen vapor]

You're up, don't worry

[tropic summit]

survived another season emilia less against emilias

[keen vapor]

Not necessarily skills, it depends ( #1239347454252683284 )

Is mostly about overloading gear/and getting them leveled dolls

[kindred tinsel]

[solid flare]

yes

[elder walrus]

i shall look at this helpful guide. thank you again for your help

[tropic summit]

considering the amount of bricks in your account, that's pretty solid

[umbral crown]

[steady atlas]

+F

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-its-about-sending-a-message-joker-heath-ledger-the-joker-gif-18201880

[keen vapor]

Wait, this one is PvE focused, my bad

[elder walrus]

almost spent things. you stopped me in time

[keen vapor]

Although, PvE investment can't brick with time unlike PVP does

[oblique magnet]

was a struggle, but somehow managed to still get those 3000 gemmies

[thin geyser]

So close

I regret not asking for teams here earlier

[oblique magnet]

i imagine you must generally know what you're doing at rank 4, lol

[solid flare]

utter minimm tier investments?
Noah 4/4/1,
noise 4/4/7,
SBS 10/7/10,
biscuit 4/4/4,
Rapunzel 4/4/4

scarlet 10/4~10/10,
blanc 4/4/10,
red hood 10/10/10,
runmani 4/4/4,
jackal 4/4/1

confirm with the others.

[kindred tinsel]

[elder walrus]

@keen vapor does this look about right? ive been pushing most things to 7/7/7 atm

[oblique magnet]

i just realized that one of my pvp rivals friended me, probably so they could monitor my login times, lol

[keen vapor]

Let's see.

[thin geyser]

I only strike lower CP defense before

[umbral crown]

7/4/4 jackal for a better experience

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

reject it

[keen vapor]

You can do that without becoming friends, accept it, maybe he wants peace

[oblique magnet]

i accepted it cause it works both ways, lol

[oblique magnet]

naw, he attacked me around the same time as the friend request, lol

but when you're friends, you can see when they last logged in by the hour

not sure if you can without being friends

[keen vapor]

That's what I did

[thin geyser]

Btw where do you get these team gen rating?

[keen vapor]

Kosmiu calculator in pins

[thin geyser]

Which one?

Oh nevermind.. found it

[keen vapor]

Resource links

[thin geyser]

Yeaass thanks

[unkempt flame]

Hey yall what teams can i make in sp arena defense?

[elder walrus]

so my current investments in them skillwise are:

Noah 6/7/7
noise 4/4/4
SBS 10/10/10
biscuit 4/4/4
Rapunzel 4/4/4

scarlet 10/7/7
blanc 10/9/10,
red hood 10/10/10,
runmani 4/4/4
jackal 7/7/7

[tropic summit]

you can, just search by ID

ppl can unfortunately stalk you regardless

[elder walrus]

i haven't done the dolls/equipment yet either but i have some in the back stocked up

[keen vapor]

Noah: yes, it can get burst up to 4 for CP padding but it doesn't really improves much else and mats are scarce

Noise: I don't have experience with burst at 7, but I'd say min investment can start on 4/5, it's what I've been working on the most and if anything I'd have got problems with her surviving pre burst so I SR 5 dolled her and equipped her Tempering cube

SBS: ye- wait, skill 2 can stay at lower investment with at least one ammo line so there's that

Biscuit: yes

Rapunzel: yes

Scarlet: I've been working with triple seven

Blanc: started with 5, recently leveled to 7

RH: yes

Rumani: yes

Jackal: yes, sames as Noah

@topstats.0001

Where's the ping

[keen vapor]

Time to reset Noah .... Oh, reset event is gone now

[elder walrus]

[solid flare]

noah is foever pvp

[keen vapor]

Reset SBS in the future :deadge: skill 2 can stay at 4/5 depending on % for max ammo line

[elder walrus]

it will come back, i can be patient

but SBS is my carry in the story mode

[keen vapor]

Reset Blanc she only needs burst

And jackal

[keen vapor]

Basically, read my review @elder walrus

[elder walrus]

ok, i will make a mental note on the resets when they are possbile again

[keen vapor]

Or make a note on Google Keep

[elder walrus]

my only issue with these teams for me are probably going to be equipment as i focused everything on my main team to getting max equipments so i have alot of overloaded locked stuff

and im missing a couple of dolls for some of them. but otherwise i think im good! thank you for all the advice today Echo

[umbral crown]

i did once as well

[keen vapor]

Btw

I always use R doll first

[elder walrus]

wait... you can upgrade R's INTO SR's??????? ive only been equiping units with the SR's and left all the Rs alone...

i thought i would be locked out otherwise...

[keen vapor]

[pale rune]

So guys I was in challenger 7 and 4 almost the entire season and I always claimed my points in time but somehow I only ended up getting 2000 gems and its says I ended in 11th place in point ranking. But I literally checked my ranking 10 minutes before the season ended and it said I was in 7th place. After I claimed the points again I was even in 4th place. How did I go down to 11th place when I at least should have been in 7th place?
Can anybody help me with that or at least try to explained what happened here? I mean I performed better than in the last season but I got less rewards and that cant be

[keen vapor]

Checking ranking right before end of the season is useless since it automatically claims points for everybody to calculate true rank

Is only useful if you're good tracker thorough the entire season

Well, a few days should be enough

But the entire season to be able to react accordingly

So, what happened is that your bracket is really competitive and you didn't mention that you were dropping to diamond rank

[half grail]

Damn I didn’t know Emilia can be the highest burst gen. How much CS lines do I need?

[pale rune]

ok I didnt know that they autoclaim your rewards

[keen vapor]

At least 2, around 8% + skill 1 to 7

[pale rune]

but I never dropped down to diamond

[half grail]

My skills for her is done just ol ty

[keen vapor]

Is a fair global system

[pale rune]

I always stayed at least at challenger 7

[elder walrus]

TEAM STATS. KEEP UP-TO-DATE <as of 26/09/25>.

Lv. 450

Noah 176968- 7/7/7 - new doll - lv0/3/4/3 oe lv7. Bastion Cube
Vesti: TU 181377 - 10/10/10 - max doll - 4 lv5 oe lv5. Wingman Cube
SBS 222036- 10/10/10 - max doll - 4 lv5 oe lv7. Bastion Cube
Biscuit 91195 - 4/4/4 - lv6 doll - 4 lv0 lv5. Vigor Cube
Rapunzel 168916 - 10/10/7 - max doll - lv5/0/0/1 oe lv5. Vigor Cube

Scarlet 185638 - 10/10/10 - max doll - lv 2/1/2/1 oe lv7. Resilience Cube
Blanc 192724 - 10/10/10 - lv11 doll - 4 lv5 oe lv7. Resilience Cube
Red Hood 195776 - 10/10/10 - max doll - 4 lv5 oe lv7. Resilience Cube
S: Anis 160828 - 10/10/10 - max doll - 4 lv5 oe lv7. Resilience Cube
Jackal 166453 - 7/8/9 - lv5 doll - 4 lv5 oe lv7. Quantum Cube

sorry, just a reminder for myself

[keen vapor]

Then hyper competitive bracket

[half grail]

I think I made my competitor quit to try for top 3

I’m gatekeeping hard lol

[keen vapor]

Gate keep harder

[keen vapor]

e

[half grail]

Guy that I battle in my bracket is the only that attacks but only use 2 attacks now

Thanks to this chat

[elder walrus]

just 1 more question. does it not matter about my 3rd team then?

at least for now it doesn't i assume

[pale rune]

I still feel like its a bug
cause how can 10 people accumulate more points than me when the position didnt really change at all in challanger except that I always attacked the guy in 4th and he attacked me back and I dropped down again to 7th. Thats basically all that happened

[keen vapor]

I'd auto for third for now, yes

Maybe even for the three teams since there's a lot of investment to do for the first two teams

[keen vapor]

The rest of challengers must have constantly pushing for C5 and above, maybe people who went from C10 to C1 constantly

Gemmers

[elder walrus]

equipment and dolls. 2 things money can't buy

[keen vapor]

Gem

[pale rune]

I didnt see any change in the placements at all

I only saw the same people being in the top 7

[keen vapor]

Gem on dispatch

[pale rune]

but obv I cant track what everyone is doing when I only log in like twice a day

[vapid lake]

[pale rune]

but still seems very unlikely to me

[keen vapor]

See my point? I track my rivals and I was able to get one guy out of top 6 even when he was getting for Challenger 4

[elder walrus]

i had naturally already been doing this! i have learned this from just playing that there was alot of trash i've never bought

[vapid lake]

Stalker

[keen vapor]

Surely you didn't know that is more efficient to treat molds like bond gifts

[keen vapor]

All for the gems

[elder walrus]

would it surprised you to know that I did ... in the last couple of months at least

[keen vapor]

[vapid lake]

wtf she eating good

[elder walrus]

i just know that i would never go out my way to get anything that isnt core dust because that gives me my sync levels. and i did go for SSR molds originally because i want my girls

[keen vapor]

MY NOISE IS STILL LIMIT BREAK ZEROOOOO

Happy reshuffle everyone

[keen vapor]

@keen vapor please cook this

[keen vapor]

On it

[vapid lake]

Pinging self and replying to self

Bro's getting kamuititis

[keen vapor]

Mind switch? what's that

[elder walrus]

are you like Yugi/Atem?

[keen vapor]

There's no Biscuit :hu tao why:

[keen vapor]

Never watched it although I know what you mean

[vapid lake]

He's just schizo

[keen vapor]

I'm just like Flora

[keen vapor]

No Biscuit is getting me some crazy ideas, what do you think Echo? Should I?

No it may be funny two stalls but confirm third team first

But two OP teams are better than 3 okay ones

You aren't even sure second stall is that OP

[keen vapor]

This time around I'm really lacking Pilgrims man I think I have to

ONE CINDY ONLY WANTS ONE BUFFER AS MUCH, YOU'RE GOING TO USE TWO

What if I gamble?

you don't even need to gamble if you use P2

[keen vapor]

You should know that current unit investment is quite a disaster and new teams will require a lot of overloads :deadge:

[unkempt flame]

yea I noticed, the teams I make just get destroyed by the cp difference

[keen vapor]

Reset Kilo

Next skill reset event of course

[elder walrus]

question for overloaded equipment, is their any mods in particular i should keep rolling for on the equipment for PvP?

[unkempt flame]

ok

[keen vapor]

Depends on the unit for example, you may not want Noise to have charge speed and ammo (for a certain comp with Noah)

But for padding purposes anything is fine, is just about getting the most lines at higher phases

Be sure that Liter and Jackal have higher HP than Ein... Actually, swap Liter and Centi positions @unkempt flame

[unkempt flame]

Thank you

[keen vapor]

.... actually

Liter/Blanc/Centi/Ein/Jackal

Use it this way

It prevents Rosanna unlink to brick the team

The nuke is another story

@vapid lake never try Noise Blanc team, worst mistake in my life :deadge:

[vapid lake]

Why would u do that

[keen vapor]

Healing

[vapid lake]

[keen vapor]

Maybe I should have swapped Tia and Rapunzel positions oh well, the better version is with Biscuit anyways

And there's feeding already so Scarlet was going to burst faster anyways

[vapid lake]

Just do the quiry team

[keen vapor]

Can't :deadge:

[vapid lake]

Ultimate healing meme

[keen vapor]

I need more dupes

Oreo wallpaper

[swift mango]

Did you open your boxes yet? Imo it was you need the most. 👍

[keen vapor]

I'm too busy cooking :deadge: also 12% battery, too low to mald

[swift mango]

If you are stuck then open it to move on.

[keen vapor]

I haven't tried at 310 synch (literally, 1 synch more)

[swift mango]

You lose on Credit and battle data earning the longer you save the dust boxes.

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

Which translate back to core dust in exchange feature.

[keen vapor]

I can't play campaign, fr

Now that I remember, I need to check synchro device

[swift mango]

You could try to use your excess battle data now to gain some level.

[keen vapor]

There's no excess I already have to use BD cases when using core dust cases

[swift mango]

Oh well

[grizzled bone]

but what about your stash?

[keen vapor]

7k cases of battle data

[swift mango]

Well open BD to exchange is same as opening core boxes anyway

[keen vapor]

NO

[swift mango]

How is your core dust stack?

[keen vapor]

I need to be careful with it

[keen vapor]

Low :deadge: not even 2k

[swift mango]

You gain the big cp boost at 321 though not 311. Just to note.

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

I guess you could reach 331 or even 341 if you open them all. Idk.

[keen vapor]

No, not 341, I counted

Well, no battle data but...

I could brick if I convert all

[swift mango]

I mean the battle data as well. Maybe save 1000 boxes.

Or you could wait for more normal mode story lol.... In a year

[keen vapor]

3 months*

Two months left now

[vapid lake]

New chapter should be on new year or the update after new year

THats why im hoarding now

[swift mango]

Are you still keeping C10 or lost it?

[vapid lake]

As long as they don't introduce another BS boss for c36 like MC and behemoth i should be able to clear everything in one go now

[swift mango]

Idk, if you get 20-40 level comparing to when you beat ch34 you should be good I guess.

[vapid lake]

I cannot pass nihilister until lv 301 anyway

16 levels away from that might as well just wait

[grizzled bone]

yeah but aren't you behind without spending all your stuff? it's also a brick

[keen vapor]

[grizzled bone]

[swift mango]

So you are still C10 above right?

[grizzled bone]

i think it would be better to catch up immediately so you can at least start getting max daily rewards

[keen vapor]

Yes

[keen vapor]

Anomaly

[valid fern]

does sanis skill 1 affect herself as well

[swift mango]

Yes

Want 8-x-9 and resilience lv7 at least for 100% reload speed without Private or Crown

[grizzled bone]

well even for AI, you're capped at lvl 400 right? so the cp boost from going up in synchro would help

[swift mango]

There is no max to that. You could still get nothing at lv9 and 3 rock at lv1.

[valid fern]

im wondering how people get their sanis to do so much damage. max purple doll and max atk lines?

[vapid lake]

Prolly 10/10/10 with a couple atk lines

[keen vapor]

10/10/9

[swift mango]

atK line is nice but it's just replace some buff. Max out her s2 is more important.

[vapid lake]

10/10/9 is irritating Make it all 10s

[keen vapor]

No

Mine only has one attack line

[swift mango]

I tried s3 lv10 and had to use skill reset to get the book back.

[keen vapor]

:frog sip:

[valid fern]

are atk lines taken into account on the stat screen

or do i have to worry about em when calculating who has top attack

[keen vapor]

No

[keen vapor]

Is not as hard as it sounds

[valid fern]

I mean I know its not hard but lol, just needed to know.

[swift mango]

When in doubt you could bring your arena team to mock battle in EI or AI to test.

[valid fern]

whats EI and AI

[swift mango]

Ex and anomaly interception

[valid fern]

ah ok

[rich quail]

Mine has 3

[keen vapor]

I'm bricked

[kindred tinsel]

me too me too

me give champion arena already!

[keen vapor]

CA bugged

[tropic summit]

bugged since 2 years yeah

[strong hull]

[swift mango]

The game keeps trolling me alright. 10 Tetra Defender Armour and zero other pieces.

Feel like they want to kick me out of this game. Probably half quitting after this and save for Collab. No points try hard if they keep giving me trashes.

Between not giving bay gear after farming for 3 months and no Jackal after getting all others Missilis and wishlist her from the beginning. I just don't have any will to move on.

Just wasted like 20 rock for a hit rate second line on Red Hood 3 line too. I'm done.

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

[strong hull]

Been almost 2 months and my cinderella still 2 OL

[swift mango]

Cinderella is barely one month old if you got her from day one.

[strong hull]

Indeed

[kindred tinsel]

sussy

[dreamy zenith]

any pieces of advice on how to deal or counter these formations?

[grizzled bone]

SBS, RH, and Alice are single target DPS. All are countered by a Defender+Biscuit but that team doesn't look like it would burst anyway.

the Cindy team looks maybe to be 3RL by eyeball. Cindy can be countered by Noah but, you will have to out-stall the team or be faster than Noah's invuln shielding

[umbral crown]

Always been

[steady steeple]

Can someone help me, I have some good teams, but I know i can have better now that I have ein

[tribal tartan]

Did you change your pfp?

[tribal tartan]

For sp defense?

[steady steeple]

Sp fighting actually, defense would be nice too if not to much

[keen vapor]

You cook PVP?

[tribal tartan]

Echooooooo

[tribal tartan]

No I was going to call you lmao

[keen vapor]

Ah of course

[tribal tartan]

I’m like the helper

So you can do your job

[rich quail]

yes

Do your job, Echo

[umbral crown]

Probably

[tribal tartan]

I remember thinking it was ffxiv before but now it doesn’t make me think that

[keen vapor]

For attack I need to know the target

[umbral crown]

Waos

[umbral crown]

You are the target

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

[dreamy zenith]

this is all I needed, thanks

[tribal tartan]

You’ll need to help me do PvP later

I don’t think I can win tho so it might be in vain

[umbral crown]

But but the creativity...

auto and hope for the best

[tribal tartan]

I’m fighting a scarlet

It’s gg

[keen vapor]

Noah

[tribal tartan]

No way I’m getting a pilgrim

This account is bricked too, why no good character

[keen vapor]

Pepper is my Doro

[umbral crown]

Where s your Rosanna?

[tribal tartan]

Will she win?

[umbral crown]

Si

[tribal tartan]

She’s only 1/4/1

[umbral crown]

Go make her 7/10/10 40 atk from OL SR5 doll at least

[tribal tartan]

I don’t think you remembered enough

Tbf im surprised you even remembered I had her

[umbral crown]

Laplace+ also helps

[steady steeple]

Oh, that makes sense. I guess I'll just do def for now then, ty

[umbral crown]

You could kill her before bursting

[strong hull]

No.

[tribal tartan]

[strong hull]

You should learn building pvp lil bro

[tribal tartan]

Aintnoway

Too hard for me, I give up

[keen vapor]

But even I learned :pepeh:

From Zixk

[strong hull]

Blood team down rate my comp from c10 to dia 7

[keen vapor]

I wonder if he will be proud of me

[strong hull]

[strong hull]

I proud of you.

[keen vapor]

Good PVP teams often comes with uninvested units

[keen vapor]

[strong hull]

But that crown + flora was wild

Burst gen went 1/3

[keen vapor]

@rich quail are you proud of me?

[tribal tartan]

I made new account but no good units so no reason to learn

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

Fill with Emi/Anis/Rumani

[tribal tartan]

Echo did you ever build for that one person btw

[keen vapor]

On it

[strong hull]

Who

[tribal tartan]

Up somewhere

[keen vapor]

Here

No Biscuit again but that's workable

[keen vapor]

I do wish for a Biscuit here tho, I could use Bay then since account is also Moranless

Or maybe Noah biscuit, then Noise Bay?

Anyways, can't do that

[keen vapor]

No way there's not a single clip RL unit

We can only use one Anis two teams it will

[tribal tartan]

@strong hull I don’t think echo can cook

Too little ingredients

[strong hull]

I can cook 5 teams SR with these

[keen vapor]

I'm going to gamble with Rosanna

[strong hull]

Do you have the table for SR prio invest char?

[keen vapor]

#1239347454252683284

[strong hull]

brilliant

[grizzled bone]

[keen vapor]

Congratulations, you have been selected to become a Rosanna gamer, so please invest as much as you can her skill 2 since we will rely on her to burst in time (@umbral crown please give second opinion)

You can also replace team 3 with an auto team so you can focus in overloading the other two teams

[fathom rock]

[keen vapor]

Oi is my special recipe

[fathom rock]

The 1st line tho

[rich quail]

No

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

[rich quail]

You have to help him when he comes back with the team he’s fighting

Then maybe

[keen vapor]

Demoooo

[strong hull]

Yes or yes

[rich quail]

He said, “def would be nice”

You didn’t offer

shame on u

[keen vapor]

[rich quail]

SHAAAAAAAAMEEEEE

[steady steeple]

Dang, this is detailed. Thank you very much, ill try this out. Tbh i don't have anis synced, bc I was avoiding it lol, but i know she's too meta for PVP

[keen vapor]

I wished for Centi, Jackal and Rumani 😔

[steady steeple]

Lol, those are all on my wish list, but not a single one has come home to me

[umbral crown]

Modernia bursting

[quick lake]

Never seen mod in pvp

[umbral crown]

Echo cooking original teams

[rich quail]

Echo gets carried by Moddy

[keen vapor]

She won't if the plan goes well

[rich quail]

Are you asking someone to sacrifice Modernia on a pvp team without even explaining how that works?

Or even knowing the stats on the Modernia?

[keen vapor]

yes

[keen vapor]

She's on the first units of his box and I needed to CP pad the team as well

[umbral crown]

Start sending your nikkes,at nikke tab on lobby, in-game settings > nearby > horizonal if on mobile and sort by power only.

follow this steps so suggesting you teams are easier

[rich quail]

Echo, what if she’s too tanky?

You know that a Rosanna sac has to die by 1RL, right?

Our good friends here taught us that a while back

[keen vapor]

Nah, I'd win

[rich quail]

Echo

deffo

disappointed

in u

turn in your badge

[keen vapor]

I pinged Rosy for something !!!

Now leave me alone

[keen vapor]

if Modernia doesn't dies soon enough swap places with Soda, Modernia burst will be funny, trust @steady steeple

[strong hull]

Wait what modernia open burst on pvp?

[steady steeple]

Lmao, uh ok, so the goal is for her to die and let soda burst?

[keen vapor]

Well, soda's burst is an AOE explosion so, yes

[rich quail]

It’s an advanced technique

You should not do it

It requires Modernia to be off sync and at level 1

And you would be in extreme cp deficit

[rich quail]

Not recommended at all on defense

[keen vapor]

Nah, synched surely is enough ok u have done the sacc before

[steady steeple]

Now I'm concerned...

[rich quail]

I have

I use Mast at level 160 as a sacrifice

But I have custom made her to work that way

And I only use it in select matchups

[keen vapor]

I didn't had better options bc of the lack of jackal ET, you have to believe me :hu tao why:

[rich quail]

This is how sacrificing works

You can use with or without Jackal

[keen vapor]

Only 19k gems?

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/honest-word-its-honest-work-it-aint-much-it-aint-much-but-its-honest-work-gif-13763573

[rich quail]

Notice even when slightly over the normal cp deficit, I was able to win, but only because the matchup is specific (2 attackers)

[vapid lake]

Yes he show u an example and u laugh at him for being poor

[rich quail]

I have 24k gems, that clip is several weeks old

[keen vapor]

Rookie got me scared, good

[rich quail]

Yeah what’s your prob ECHO

[vapid lake]

Rude

[rich quail]

At least I back up what I say

[vapid lake]

[keen vapor]

Penguin called you a He

[rich quail]

You seddit

[rich quail]

I am a he, you do-dork

[vapid lake]

Girl = guy in real life

[keen vapor]

@umbral crown why you don't give second opinion

[vapid lake]

[keen vapor]

Sonna

[rich quail]

@steady steeple anyway, show your box to Rosy

[quick lake]

Rosy cook?

[strong hull]

He is

[steady steeple]

At work, so I'll have to do it later, but i will. Thank you

[rich quail]

@steady steeple You can still get Rosanna as a potential option to deal with particular 2-attacker setups

But the sacrifice strats, we can teach you later when you get more units/cp/experience under your belt.

Keep in mind that Rosanna is high investment, and some people think she may not be worth all those materials used, but it’s your call

Do not use her without investment. She is very weak starting off

[keen vapor]

There's not enough ingredients in that box :deadge:

[rich quail]

Echo

That’s why you ask the person about the investments made

[quick lake]

Honestly wont advise to invest in Rosanna unless u’re a try hard

[rich quail]

You don’t assume

[rich quail]

Exactly

[keen vapor]

That's what I asked

[rich quail]

What was the answer?

[keen vapor]

:

[rich quail]

I only found this

[keen vapor]

You know early PVP (200 synch) shouldn't require 40% attack

[rich quail]

Echo

Did you ask Gabriar yourself about Rosanna?

[keen vapor]

I was waiting on Rosy first

[rich quail]

#2, that was Star Nebula Arc that was asked

Not Gabriar

[keen vapor]

So.....

[rich quail]

You just chose Gabriar to be a Rosanna gamer

Your words

[keen vapor]

[rich quail]

You gotta work with what he has now

Not what he needs to build up (if not invested)

Especially a resource-heavy Rosanna

[keen vapor]

Everything invested is low gen/high feed :deadge:

[rich quail]

I understand

[keen vapor]

So I padded with mod

[rich quail]

I understand if you added Modernia if she would help for the time being

But you were thinking she could be a sacrifice

But sac strats don’t work so flawlessly

If the sacrifice is the same sync level as everyone else, it will be really hard for that unit to die by 1rl

Then things get messy quick

That’s why same sync doesn’t work, unless you have severe cp deficit against opponent

But then your whole team is at risk of getting wiped before burst

[keen vapor]

By everyone else, you're including target as well?

[rich quail]

I’m talking about the team members in your atk group

From what I saw, they are all lvl 208

Including Modernia

If Modernia doesn’t die, Modernia bursts

prolly not the best burst3 to use in a pvp match

[keen vapor]

Shouldn't enemy synch be accounted as well?

[rich quail]

It’s more about cp deficit from what I experienced

[keen vapor]

Then why my noise dies by 3RL with 50 level diff

No deficit

[rich quail]

I have proof that cp level matters, not sync level

I beat a person 90+ sync levels higher several days ago

[keen vapor]

:deadge:

[rich quail]

But they did not completely cp gap me so I won

[grizzled bone]

ET cookin

[vapid lake]

Where da proof don't leave us hanging

[rich quail]

@keen vapor

92 sync levels under
t1 was past cp deficit threshold

Still win

[mint marsh]

Hi, does anyone have any tips for beating this team? Struggling to survive the burst from Cinderella and my teams aren't able to burst before her team does Q.Q

[grizzled bone]

Echo about to get demoted

[rich quail]

cp matters, not sync

[vapid lake]

Why a guy 90 levels above you has so low cp

Is my next question

[grizzled bone]

ET is heavily invested in PvP

[rich quail]

Because he didn’t play smart

So I exploited him because he bullied me one too many times

He finally cp gapped me for good, so I need 25k cp more to challenge

But yes, cp tells more. That’s your proof

He is a whale, but an extremely weak and inefficient whale

For me to beat him should be embarrassing to him

[vapid lake]

Echo's mind gonna break when he sees this

[rich quail]

heh heh

Back to the drawing board @keen vapor

Give Caishen your badge on the way out

goodbye forever

https://tenor.com/view/captain-planet-planet-captain-planet-and-the-planeteers-you-gif-13264293

I’m saying goodbye, not Echo

Making that clear

u are stuck with Echo for a while longer

byeeeeee

[strong hull]

[mint marsh]

Hello is there where I can find help for pvp line ups?

[strong hull]

@keen vapor wakey wakey back to work.

[quick lake]

Yes u can send ur roster, sorted by power horizontal mode

[mint marsh]

Ok! This is the team I'm trying to beat and here's my roster. Thank you!

The issue I'm facing is Cinderella bursts before my team does and my whole team gets wiped out.

[quick lake]

Centi Biscuit Cindy Jackal Tia

[mint marsh]

I think this becomes a battle of which team bursts first wins right?

[quick lake]

yep exactly. A 3RL comp should easily win

[mint marsh]

Ohh ok let me try and see ty!

@quick lake I was close but still lost 😦

[quick lake]

Cindy Jackal Centi Anis Tia
Make sure ur not more than 15.4% deficit

Sry for bad cook

If no one dies before u burst, it should work

[mint marsh]

Yea it looks like the cp difference might be the difference here. That teamp comp wasn't enough 😦

Can't understand how Cinderella team is so powerful omg

[quick lake]

2-2.5RL comp should work if there’s no deficit

[mint marsh]

Cope 🥹

[terse heron]

feels like blanc, red hood, centi, biscuit, jackal would beat this but idk hahaha

[swift mango]

Please properly equip your Jackal and Centi, synch then too and try again. Doll them if you could.

Could screen shot your team before you attack. And show it here for others to help.

[quick lake]

Opponent's a 4RL comp, possibly 3RL if you include bad feed

[swift mango]

His Jackal only has 300k HP while his Tia has 1m.

[quick lake]

[swift mango]

He is also 2 tier 161 and 181 gap them. With some equipment he should have enough CP.

Guess he didn't even want to move his equipment around left alone using his doll or skill book

Useless blue doll that is

Looking at it again, it look like he was able to burst though.

His Cindy has like zero investment in that case. Try something else for dps.

[swift mango]

Who is higher CP between Alice, Rapunzel and Red Hood?

Replace the lowest CP one with Jackal and equip her with your currently best Defender gear.

Synch all of them.

Jackal+Blanc+RH+Biscuit+highest CP Flex should work.

[late schooner]

Does Cinderella's decoy cause a neighbouring Nikke to get killed really quickly in pvp?

[swift mango]

Cindy decoy cause target skip to the left in the first few seconds of the fight.

[quick lake]

^

[late schooner]

So if you put Cindy in position 1 (far left) it will cause your position 2 Nikke to get owned?

[swift mango]

Don't put her in P1, she won't be tanking anything.

There are idiots out there who keep advising other to P1 one Cindy to tank. They are braindead people who auto all their Arena fights but still think they are good and try to give advice.

The only thing she tanks in p1 is your burst gen speed compared to your enemies. There are rarely any use for it. You can always match your speed by replacing nikke. Only real use case is maybe when you highest CP team too fast and you want to keep that CP while making opponent team faster so your Emilia or Noah doesn't miss their window..... Or to counter Merry's 5 RL Nero team. The last case is a joke as their team only has 2 mag RL lol... Maybe could make it to 3RL team... Idk how that helps lol... It does stop Nero from getting full stack before bursting but just cut them with 2-3 buff Wipe instead.

[thin geyser]

Hello, I need help to beat this defense with my nikkes.

[swift mango]

Scarlet+Blanc+RH+Centi+Jackal

Check CP. Put Quantum on Jackal and Centi if you could.

Don't attack right away. Please show the pic first.

[thin geyser]

I don't have centi

[swift mango]

Rumani, my bad

[thin geyser]

my quantum lv 3 on them, try?

(rumani & jackal)

[swift mango]

Eh maybe not

[thin geyser]

okiii

so how? or can't win yet?

[swift mango]

How is Scarlet+Blanc+Anis+Rumani+Jackal looks like?

@thin geyser

[unique wagon]

U think u can kill them?

[thin geyser]

idk, before this I used scarlet blanc red hood noir jackal. better cp but lost

[thin geyser]

oh anis

wait, my anis CP is pretty bad though

[swift mango]

Put gear on her, synch and maybe spare blue doll

[thin geyser]

Ok I'm wrong, her CP is really bad

[swift mango]

Nvm

[thin geyser]

Compared to red hood

[swift mango]

How much is your auto team cp

[swift mango]

How much is

Scarlet+RH+Anis+Rumani+Jackal?

[swift mango]

This could work

[thin geyser]

okaiii i;ll try

ahh still can't win

[swift mango]

Did you take pic?

[thin geyser]

They are immune.. and maybe my scarlet burst need more skill . Still 444

[swift mango]

You could try your auto team. Feel like it would still lose but that's 27% deficit on their team.

[late schooner]

How do you beat a meta Noah pvp team without using your own Noah

[swift mango]

Blanc

Or just Wipe at 0.5RL faster

[late schooner]

How does Blanc counter Noah?

[swift mango]

Blanc keep your dps survive. That dps need AoE dmg to bypass Noah Taunt+Biscuit combo though.

[late schooner]

So it needs to be something like SBS?

[thin geyser]

Ohhhhh

[swift mango]

Or if you could trigger Biscuit before you burst all the better.

[thin geyser]

I did it hehehe thankssss

[swift mango]

SBS auto lose to Biscuit + Noah unless you has something to trigger Biscuit before you burst.

[late schooner]

What if you kill their burst IIIs first

[swift mango]

That's why I said 0.5 RL faster wipe

[swift mango]

That 27% deficit work wonder

[unique wagon]

I forgot to say RH worked against that comp cus P5 is attacker

[swift mango]

Not really even if you use the PvE fight trick to lock her to p5. She will be back to attacking Jackal after she kill Alice.

[late schooner]

Which burst IIIs can you use if it's not possible to trigger Biscuit before bursting?

[thin geyser]

I'm sorry, can you please explain for arena newbie, what's the connection between red hood and enemy p5 attacker?

[unique wagon]

Biscuit cant give immune to everyone

But we will never know if we never try

[swift mango]

But if biscuit can save one trigger chance to trigger again after Noah ends, RH would likely lose.

Oh well nvm

[unique wagon]

I didnt see yet

[swift mango]

If you start an arena fight after you do a PvE fight and quit. RH and other SR will hit p5 instead of p1.

But you can't put RH is p1-2 or Noah charge attack will taunt her.

[swift mango]

Nvm that lol

It was Blanc, not Noah

So more auto lose after killing p5 and come back to p1

[thin geyser]

wow, so there's trick like that. is that a feature or bug?

mhm, i'll keep that in mind for future reference

[swift mango]

Every bug in Arena never got fixed. So they are all features.

Including Cindy p1

[thin geyser]

what's cindy p1 bug?

i mean feature..

[unique wagon]

Cindy P1 can be used to ur advantage tho

[swift mango]

They only time they fixed something in Arena should be to change Noise skill.

[swift mango]

Yes, but only when you know what your are doing and on Attacking side.

Even so, barely any help

Especially if you are lacking burst Regen.

[late schooner]

Cindy burst generation KEKW

[swift mango]

Making enemies team faster on defense mean they have more burst Regen for other team.

Could even make 3 x 2Rl team against you.

[rich quail]

SBS vs. Noah+Biscuit is a bad time

[swift mango]

Blanc+Emilia is the best answer to all Noah comp.

Then you have Summer Anis.

And also, just out stall their Noah with 3 healers teams.

Lastly, you would often adapt to counter their dps rather than Noah in Noah team.

[thin geyser]

is it about burst feed? I just read it last night. So cindy p1 feed more to enemy?

[swift mango]

To Normal clip RL, they ger 1.75 time burst gen. For Emilia, she get 1.5 times

Putting Cindy p2 also give them 1.25 and 1.1667 Regen respectively.

[thin geyser]

whoaa that sounds bad.. how could there be any advantage in that situation?

[swift mango]

Idk people call it burst feed but don't mistake it with Jackal feed.

Cindy just provide more targets for RL to hit. Not triggering any skill.

[late schooner]

I don't have Emilia, and Summer Anis can't be used vs Noah with Scarlet+Jackal

[swift mango]

Do they have biscuit too? And like I said, it's more about countering their team dps.

[swift mango]

You could post pic of their team here for others to helps.

Scarlet wipe without buff is weak. One buff Scarlet can still be tanked.

For Example with

Moran+Pepper+S.Anis+Biscuit+Centi at good investment could just survive Scarlet wipe and heal up.

Noah without biscuit can be easily killed and counter with RH or SBS

[late schooner]

Scarlet+Noah+Red Hood+Biscuit+Jackal in order

So the Scarlet buff for the oneshot and the Noah/Biscuit protection are both there

[swift mango]

Yeah, Moran+S.Anis+Biscuit with Moran and S.Anis+Biscuit at high investment could tank this team.

[late schooner]

Won't S Anis just die before burst?

Assuming similar combat power

[swift mango]

Moran s3 lv10 + SAnis max doll likely survive.

Against Scarlet s3lv10 and RH s3lv10

[late schooner]

Moran Biscuit S Anis can survive the Scarlet nuke? Even with S Anis getting hit hard by Scarlet passive before burst?

[swift mango]

Nah she won't

Up to RNG at that point.

[swift mango]

Anyway, for this team at similar level and investment you could try:

1. Rossanna one shot after Laplace treasure and others wither her down.

[swift mango]

2. Just use a 2RL Cindy team.

Easy wins.

[late schooner]

How come Laplace is the best burst III pick for this setup

[swift mango]

Laplace treasure with enough investment could deal very high dmg, and she type counter Scarlet. So more element dmg lines power. Could even kill Scarlet without Rossanna with 2 crits at enough investment.

[late schooner]

Got it, so Laplace should always be the one directly facing the Scarlet

[swift mango]

No, I mean just to make her soft enough for Rossanna to finish it off.

At higher level Laplace might not be enough. Crit 3 times in a round is unlikely.

At same speed Rossanna will kill Scarlet first before Noah trigger but you might have to place Red Hood in that case so ready your Blanc or Defender+Biscuit to stall that.

[swift mango]

Also, the other option is to just

Noise+Blanc/bay+Quiry+RH+Jackal it.... Very tanky Stall team.

[late schooner]

Thanks for the tips, guess I'll start building a few Nikkes for pvp after I finish chapter 34

[swift mango]

Did I say 2RL Cindy?

Noise+Centi+Anis+Jackal+Cindy?

That's easiest out here

No need to invest to sth like Quiry.

[late schooner]

You must have base Anis in that team?

[swift mango]

Yeah. And quantum cube as well

Rumani could be enough if you got enough Jacal feed

[late schooner]

There's no one else who generates as much burst as Anis for that spot?

[swift mango]

Just check burst gen chart in pin. No.

[swift mango]

There is Emilia but you want 2 black line and 2 blue line for CS on her at least.

[late schooner]

Well... Anis is actually tied with Jackal... Interesting

[swift mango]

Emilia with 24.7% CS not counting her s1 is the best burst gen in game for 2RL speed.

Because she could hit 3 times in 2RL times.

[quick lake]

2-4 blacks lines

with cube

[late schooner]

It would suck if championship arena showed up and the players who never had a chance to get Emilia had to vs older players with maxed Emilias

[quick lake]

Emilia's not gonna rerun

xanne too

[quartz prawn]

thank god, means i dont have to face that in my bracket

[kindred tinsel]

imagine this event we get better pvp units

[quick lake]

xmaiden clip RL buffer for sure

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocker-shocked-black-guy-gif-27526370

[graceful grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/good-movies-rule-gmr-avengers-end-game-movie-don't-give-me-hope-hawkeye-gif-9699367132154830787

[steady steeple]

@umbral crown im so sorry if you didn't want me to @ u, but you asked me to send my nikkes in this format in the nikke channel, but unfortunately I'm too low rank

[quick lake]

Didnt we suggest u a line up previously?

[steady steeple]

Yes, but there was some debate on whether it was good for me or not lol, and then I was asked to send this to rosy

[quick lake]

Gotta wait for Rosy to cook maybe

[steady steeple]

Right around here

[steady steeple]

No rush, I've honestly been doing ok I think in ranked, but I know I could've been doing better. I never changed up my teams really when attacking, I had a set 3 and just switched there orders depending on who I thought could beat what lol

[umbral crown]

Yes, this is better.

[umbral crown]

Si, did not finish to check all teams

[rich quail]

He was trying to use sync level Modernia as Rosanna sac

I thought it was a terrible idea

[unique wagon]

Faster Emilia is a bad idea

[umbral crown]

Just wanted to check your suggestions with the box in horizontal, i was kinda sleepy but wait a bit to gve you the opinion

[umbral crown]

For a lv1 sacc, no need to do that to modernia. Any unit could do that but you need high level on S2

[rich quail]

Yeah, that and lvl 1 sac could be difficult with dramatic cp loss

[swift mango]

@thin geyser

Forgot to tell you about this

[swift mango]

This is a hard case. Honestly, your roster isn't very ideas.

What do you want to accomplish though? A direction to build upon or Immediately use?

Are you willing to invest in units like Rossanna and such? And what is your current team?

[loud sonnet]

Meh

[swift mango]

Look good for raid but pretty useless for arena.

Darn they show chuuni first but not maiden l. Bamboozled

Gal powercrept Xlumilia for boss for sure.

2200% dmg burst. 200%+ AtK. 10% AtK to whole team all the time. 20% Ele dmg to whole team all the time.

Then add another 10% and 20 % on burst.

[quick lake]

AR mid

[swift mango]

Well she is much better than Xlumilia for water raid honestly. About 30% boost whole team all the time and another 30% when she burst.

Self burst 200%+ and counting her whole team buff it's close to +300% self buff.

2200% burst dmg on top to the boss.

Basically, the Asuka/Rei A of WATER team.

[quick lake]

Yee looks like it

[swift mango]

So she is skipable in my book

[quick lake]

1 copy SR dps I guess

Siren water DPS new year

Our remaining hope is xMaiden

[terse abyss]

they always introduce skills the day before release?

[swift mango]

Also, Elysion tower savior.

They lack a strong buffer and this is what they need

Look like

Vesti+Phantom+XGuillotine+DKW+Strawberry girl will be their best team.... XMaiden gonna be B2 I guess.

[quick lake]

Still kinda mid

[quick lake]

Yep latest the day before iirc

[swift mango]

Vesti is good in mobs battle. As her burst last into other burst as well, XGuillotine will gain her full buff to Vesti s3. DKW make Vesti 5sec burst possible without delay to the next burst.

.... I guess Phantom need to go for Privaty in that team....

Then replace Vesti with Phantom for boss.

[quick lake]

Yeah sounds about right. Still pretty niche ele unit

[swift mango]

Now last 1-2 hours of copium for xMaiden to be good in Arena. Hope you enjoy it.

[lavish basin]

Is Ein actually good in PVP? Prydwen says she is, but NIKKE.gg says she isn't.

[raven plover]

I got her like a week ago and its game changing for me

[bleak latch]

her AOE attack is nice but her being sniper hold her burst gen down alot

[raven plover]

[graceful grotto]

she's good

one of the few units that has both screen wipe and continous dmg

[umbral crown]

the teams for the books looks fine, just swap Soda and Modernia or you could run:

Bunny Soda/Blanc/Red hood/Viper/Drake

Ein/Liter/Bay/Anis/Naga

[umbral crown]

she really is

[umbral crown]

[lunar dirge]

She isn't lmao, I can even explain why

She barely will reach og scar numbers wdym

She needs 25-50s to tack up

She has half of the base damage of og scar

Who has 120% atk up btw

And her burst is 40s CD as a b3 unit

Do it doesn't contribute much

And ele damage can be diluted by ol lines

[lunar dirge]

and before you say about scar ammo issue, she can jaut get paired with s.anis +resi cube to remove said issue, while guillotine doesn't have that synergy

[keen vapor]

[lunar dirge]

the point is it barely does anything for her damage

[keen vapor]

-# So, like any other B3

[lunar dirge]

know any non 40s b3?

or is it the only thing you can find?

#questions message cuz it's pretty over for her

water weak raid slave

[keen vapor]

25s is not bad

[lunar dirge]

even then,she can't reach og scar on neutral

[keen vapor]

OG scar doesn't has space for hit rate lines

[swift mango]

Xlumilia is also 40s cd. This doesn't mean anything. And she needs to burst to get that AtK up which is very important for her dmg to even be compared to Scarlet.

[lunar dirge]

the point you can't use her with both xlud and qeq cuz they both want to burst

and xlud has 25s reload speed buff

[swift mango]

Well, new meta will be Mono color teams whether you like it or not.

[umbral crown]

[lunar dirge]

do we have enough units for that?only electric and iron code so far,and 1 team at best

for solo raid it's a straight up no,cuz ele shields

[swift mango]

Just need times.

We are only in 2nd years.

[lunar dirge]

how much?another 3 years?

[keen vapor]

Fire

[lunar dirge]

it took 3 yeras to do 2 mid water dps and 1 xguilklo

[lunar dirge]

forgot about asuka and rei,but even then,you must split them in sr

grave tier dps buffer as a b3

[swift mango]

Well, it took 1 years and a half for them to get to mono team direction to be exacted. And another 3 years isn't as long as you think.

[keen vapor]

Not every raid has shield, so not a must

[lunar dirge]

she won't even be used in a mono team,even naga will do more for damage with core damage up

that's the issue

duos,b2 buffers like crown will rule

[swift mango]

She deal more dmg than Naga alright. What are you on about?

[umbral crown]

[lunar dirge]

xguillo provide some personal dps,if you use crown naga,naga will increase team's personal dps by 35%(core damage goes from 200 to 320%)

everyone will lose dps,and she won't be enough to compensate that

[swift mango]

Naga doesn't do anything if boss doesn't have visible core.

[lunar dirge]

just use any other offburst b3 then

we have modernia and/or og scar

xguillo needs to burst to provide her buffs fully

[swift mango]

And we are pitching Naga and XGuil here? Not XGuil and Xlud anymore?

How about Pitching. Xlud and Naga then? Them both need core for max performance.

[keen vapor]

So, she goes on duo, I agree

[lunar dirge]

naga is used either with tia or with crown if there's a core

what's the point of naga if there is no core to begin with

xlud s2 is neglegible

[swift mango]

And XGuil is a DPS.

[lunar dirge]

subdps at best

she loses to 2b,that's how bad she is

[swift mango]

Xlud is sub dps without her s2 and burst.

[lunar dirge]

xlud being,a stronger dps,might buff better with her b1 as xguillo does

[swift mango]

Not even sub

[keen vapor]

Water Rei

[lunar dirge]

still has s1 and has both opportunities to burst and not burst

[lunar dirge]

xguillo dps vs xlud dps,50% core uptime

both use liter+crown as buffers

unity simulation

guillo is barely sub dps

she is close to grave

xlud loses 25% dps without burst and still does more

[keen vapor]

Game engine

[lunar dirge]

yes

[keen vapor]

Water Rei

[swift mango]

Liter buff is only amounts to 5 seconds. Your math is too advantageous for units with less self AtK buff here. Mainly Xlud. In trust, her performance is much worse if you count outside of it.

Or are you counting it all for the whole fight in your math as dps?

[keen vapor]

Attack dilution = Volume better?

[lunar dirge]

some more testing

[swift mango]

She provides nearly a much as Naga then. That's not weak.

You won't even need Crown

[lunar dirge]

less than naga,while dropping xlud by a whopping 1b,i think she'll be best used only with 1 of them

not as a3rd b3

[keen vapor]

Yeah, that

[lunar dirge]

that means either dropping of xlud or quency

so no-no for harvester

as i told,she's basically water weak sr slave

[keen vapor]

Water weak with core*

But both Quency and Ludmilla benefits from core as well

So every water raid should have core right?

[swift mango]

And how do you even calculate this? What match did you use? Is this dmg for the whole fight or not? Did you try out the shooting range?

How do you factor in ATK down in CP deficit contents?

[keen vapor]

Yeah, I was thinking this Guillo hero will be good for Elysion tower

But Elysion tower is just a bonus, not the focus

[swift mango]

Yeah, skipable then

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Something did broke inside me on hearing that

[swift mango]

My bad

[swift mango]

Okay thanks.

[quick lake]

1 copy and next

[lunar dirge]

it's literally an anomanly interception,no cp deficit

[umbral crown]

4 copies and next

[quick lake]

xMaiden... doesnt look clip

[swift mango]

How did you look?

[umbral crown]

Make it look like clip then

[quick lake]

From the PV, when she reloads. It seems like she reloads once and gets full mag

[swift mango]

How is her skit then, did it show there?

[lunar dirge]

there was reload animation showed

[quick lake]

Nope. We just see her mana bar thats all

[lunar dirge]

we usually find when unit is clip or not there

[swift mango]

Well, I was asking about her skits

[keen vapor]

Tbh, MP mechanic is sus

[keen vapor]

We got vague description

[quick lake]

Still dont know it works. Probably stacks based on full charge

[lunar dirge]

no kit release

[keen vapor]

They're cheating

[quick lake]

On pvp questions, does Moran's burst able to block all nukes

Or like team still dies to Scarlet + RH burst, Noise/Cindy burst

Thinking whether to invest in stall team

[swift mango]

Defending on what else the team has I guess...

[quick lake]

Hmm so situational. Will go crunch some numbers

[limpid urchin]

what determines your placement at the start of a season?

[swift mango]

Maybe your last session's among of chips for SP.

For Rookie you all start with 1000.

[swift mango]

Looking at her skit again, it's a guaranteed hit of 2300% dmg on boss with her s3 targeting. So very good for Elysion tower mob stage I guess.

Finally they have something to snipe the boss with.

[keen vapor]

Rookie is not true

I remember I started at 1052 for some reason

[limpid urchin]

Was thinking about the rookie arena specifically, the placement when the season resets, my first guess was that it was based on arena participation since ranking in the previous season does correlate to a higher starting rank, but its not a direct cause.

[keen vapor]

See

[lunar dirge]

it depends on your placement in last bracket

somehow

[swift mango]

Others could be hitting you when you sleep. Open the game at 1 second after reset then.

[lunar dirge]

my highest was 1079

[lunar dirge]

you're not loaded into rookie till you open it

[keen vapor]

Is also good that it aims highest HP as well

[swift mango]

Maybe it count the point of the current rank and add it up to you when you open. I started at 1000 opening it one sec after rest. When my last session being top 3.

[keen vapor]

1052 is something I calc'd after checking the battle history

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

@keen vapor

[keen vapor]

Reset is in the middle of the day :pepeh

[limpid urchin]

For example usually I rank in the 18-25 in rookie when a season ends, but sometimes I'm placed anywhere from 4th to 55th when it starts, and one time about 2 weeks ago I was placed in the 1st position at the start of a season, through that didn't last long.

[keen vapor]

Maybe is random

[elder walrus]

afternoon

[keen vapor]

Hi there

[elder walrus]

rough day?

[limpid urchin]

Higher ranking players are weighted slightly better, but the exact mechanics arn't clear, so I was checking to see if the specifics are known.

[keen vapor]

HUH

[keen vapor]

Rough last night

[elder walrus]

the reshuffle perhaps?

[keen vapor]

That one was fine...

[elder walrus]

or more actual life

[umbral crown]

in which content

[keen vapor]

@spiral onyx will tell us

[keen vapor]

My bad cooking

[umbral crown]

its not random, depend the time you log when the season starts

[keen vapor]

Sounds believable

[keen vapor]

Or not

[umbral crown]

you are supposed to know that

[elder walrus]

oh cooking is a great challenge at the best of times. what was you cheffing up?

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Blood says he got 1000 :pepeh:

[umbral crown]

i ususally get 1k when season starts

i always end at rank 1 but that does not matter

[keen vapor]

This was the box (clip RL-less)

[keen vapor]

I tried to gamble Rosanna and lost

The replacement got ded Ein no full burst

[keen vapor]

This season I started on 1052

[umbral crown]

How so

[keen vapor]

@elder walrus in the end, there's no right answer

The game was rigged from the very beginning

[keen vapor]

Ein P1

No other B3

[elder walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[umbral crown]

Then P2

But we talk about defense, not attzck

[keen vapor]

It was rigged

Zixk will never be proud of me

[swift mango]

Noise+Noah+Quency/Alice+Rapunzel+Noir(3rl)

You should get Noah more CS than Noise, by equip Noah with Adjustant cube. Or if they already diff by OL line then nvm)

Neon+Viper+Anis+Rossanna (get her s2+3 to 3-4 at least, ideally s1 to 4 too) +Cindy (3rl)

B.Soda+Blanc/Bay+RH+Sugar+Drake (3.5-3rl).

Well since others keep talking long about you line up. I will just give my recommendation.

Again, this uses lots of your lower power units so might not working out on CP.

I usually try to get as much of your invested units as possible but in this case I just couldn't. You don't have the Clip RL to pad those PvE units low Regen.

Technically, in team 2 you could replace Rossanna with any of your B1/2 PvE units. Throw them to p1. Neon to p4. But I would still refer Rossanna if possible.

This is already the best technically teams your current line up could be built into. Without getting Laplace treasure. Since this is all burst gen units you have

@steady steeple edited

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

SP Defense
Blanc/Ein/Red Hood/Noir/Sugar
Noah/Anis/Cindirella/Rouge/Drake
Bunny Soda/Rapunzel/Bay/Viper/Naga

[swift mango]

T1: not able to burst.

T2: 3rl.

T3: 3.5rl

[umbral crown]

will check again

[swift mango]

It's like 4.5-5 RL speed so it could still burst-able. But ofc you know what I meant.

Ein is a really high investment unit to be dps. I won't recommend her to New player tbf. She is like Rossanna but at least Rossanna could still be used as sub dps and counter Jackal.

But ofc if it works, it works. Idk. Cya.

[umbral crown]

take care

[grizzled bone]

I would recommend Ein to newer players over Rosanna despite them doing different things. She's at least useable in both pve and pvp so players will feel it's an easier investment

[swift mango]

Rossanna doesn't need investment to deny Jackal in a Cindy team that need SG to get to higher RL speed. Ein needs investment to be good dps. They could replace Rossanna easily later because not much investment. Ein, unless they main her in Campaign it would be a waste to split the skill books with their other dps currently already in use.

Lol I just open discord as you typing haha.

[grizzled bone]

[elder walrus]

you can advertise crypto?

[grizzled bone]

No. That's spam

Just reported

[elder walrus]

same. thats alot of effort to advertise in here

[grizzled bone]

Don't click random discord links

[grizzled bone]

It happens occasionally here

[elder walrus]

thats crazy. i had to give my phone and authorise before i could say anything

[grizzled bone]

Yeah thats true. You could run a minimal Rosa for Jackal denial.

I just think Ein is more flexible, yeah she needs more investment. Lots of electric DPS units too, we all know this for being pvp players

[grizzled bone]

Could be a hacked account

[elder walrus]

ahhh, i see!

[umbral crown]

[unique wagon]

harder to counter Noah also might die due to Scar counterattack faster, u might feed more too

if a team is guaranteed to burst in 2RL, then making Emilia shoot 3 times for 2 RL is pointless

its a double edged sword that Im kinda scared to take

also i careabout pve more anyways

[steady steeple]

This looks really good, thank you. I'll try them out

[umbral crown]

thats mostly when she is the main dps to burst but usually you can use her fast burst advantage to burst with other units

but most of the time i fight 2 RL team with 2 RL emi with 21 cs and i still maange to nuke them after their noah expires

[umbral crown]

hope it works for you

[keen vapor]

I'm not even Emi 21 and already got unable to counter Noah :deadge:

[keen vapor]

Blanc will die

[barren basin]

I got to Challenger 2 but the person in first has 50% more power than me
hope they don't log in for a while

[keen vapor]

Guys

Guys, pick me up, I'm scared

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

get some more powa

@polar echo hi we are in the bracket

[spare nimbus]

This is actually insane i hate these new brackets bro

[eternal finch]

New player. T1 does win but T3 I have no idea. Did try to ATK first going vs Scarlet team but they destroyed that team in 1 sec. So, this current setup possible?