pvp-arena

[coarse lake]

Just on noise, Noah should be fine if she has over 12 ammo

And make sure both stay at sane cs

actually Noah with ammo might still mess it up

Depends on how the reload affects noise proj timing relative to Noah, never tested it

Safest is both no ammo same cs, but feel free to try it with Noah with ammo for science

[gaunt viper]

was it noah/biscuit/cindy/emilia/noise for god comp? also I'll try rolling off ammo on Noise first when I do it and then if it doesn't work out I'll do both. I'll let you know when that happens but hopefully I just get lucky everytime

[vapid lake]

Noah more cp than sbs

[umbral crown]

As things should

[honest hound]

alot of no unions too

[vapid lake]

Sbs need to be higher or else how am i gonna farm rocks

[graceful grotto]

the real pvp flex

but noah no core 💀

[vapid lake]

Sorry i'm going to core 7 smol white with the tickets because she deserves it

[graceful grotto]

based

i wanna mlb her for her lobby screen hahaha

[keen vapor]

-# Note to self: cook

[umbral crown]

With Ssakura

[keen vapor]

With Alice

[umbral crown]

Nah

[vapid lake]

Sakura is mid

[umbral crown]

[graceful grotto]

hey no

[raven plover]

the real pvp account

[graceful grotto]

s.sakura is bae

[umbral crown]

Ssakura is the queen

[keen vapor]

I should invest more DPS units soon tbh

Rip my credits

need 3% in raids

[terse abyss]

Should be doable if you have a biscuit team and a jackal team

And just get enough CP against his non jackal teams

[graceful grotto]

Moran - Biscuit - S.Anis - Anis - Pepper/Rapunzel

Noah - Centi - Cinderella - Laplace (Treasure) - Noise

Scarlet - Blanc/Xanne - Red Hood - Noir - Jackal

Can wait for echo to cook for ya too

[umbral crown]

imagine echo cooking

[coarse lake]

Noise/Bscar/Rapunzel/jackal/noah

[vapid lake]

Everyone still making fun of echo

[keen vapor]

🪦

[keen vapor]

I failed

[gaunt viper]

noted, tyvm

[coarse lake]

wdym

[keen vapor]

I got blue ammo instead of getting rid of it

Look my media

[coarse lake]

[umbral crown]

si

[coarse lake]

god comp is a funny thing, most ppl can do optimal god comp when they just start out pvp (if they got the units ofc) since no OLs lets you do optimal god comp already

once ppl start doing invests and OLs, they stray further from god comp

[gaunt viper]

I've been working backwards then

[keen vapor]

I always lacked Noah

[coarse lake]

never tried it, but doubt bay will work

no invinc period, and lack of taunt, although bay does make up for that with full 5 team link

if anyone wanna try bay feel free, would be quite interesting

[umbral crown]

record if possible

[coarse lake]

with bay, your noise invest won't matter, since noise will always taunt regardless what you do

noise just needs higher atk than rapunzel, that's all you need

no bay invest needed at all either, except making her beefy

the more units linked the more value you get out of noise heals, so there could be merit in bay

[keen vapor]

Done

I do not have Bay

[coarse lake]

[vapid lake]

Damn centi's like core 2 now https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1041260584454344745/1308642977375326268/image.png?ex=673eb03f&is=673d5ebf&hm=c0a591ca88b8db9d863fb2cdc79c9d4fa2eabe9b8d42c82ff8c73bf600bb2833&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1041260584454344745/1308642977714929664/image.png?ex=673eb03f&is=673d5ebf&hm=045c9f1b5eeee0c59e49e0bc78606266c12275a135cf004048af01f09ddd5e79&

[coarse lake]

bay-less noah-less still huh

[umbral crown]

echo issues

[coarse lake]

account so bricked, better build that rosa so that you can always 1 shot RH then

which might not be doable with the sync diff either

[umbral crown]

[vapid lake]

[umbral crown]

echo: i wanna fight those 50 levels bois

[vapid lake]

More padding

[graceful grotto]

welp grats

[vapid lake]

Gotta OL centi next

[graceful grotto]

same, she's my next OL target after ein

C1 noah and C1 centi atm hahaha

[umbral crown]

[vapid lake]

Level 283 with rem it's joever

[umbral crown]

imagine not having rem

[vapid lake]

I'm glad nobody in my bracket has them and emilia

Less headache

[umbral crown]

how so

you started after rezero?

[vapid lake]

1 day before crown banner

[umbral crown]

emiless 🧱

[vapid lake]

She's shit waifu anyway so nothing of value was lost

[umbral crown]

if you think in waifu... you do not know she is top 3 dps in game for pvp

as a nuker and battery

[vapid lake]

I know so it's better nobody has her

[umbral crown]

she makes your team faster

[vapid lake]

And at the end of the day

[umbral crown]

[vapid lake]

She wont be missed

[umbral crown]

no u¨

[potent ermine]

Inb4 Emilia rerun

[vapid lake]

Nah no rerun

[potent ermine]

Why you egirl bait now

[vapid lake]

Because of a certain someone's overuse of rezero reaction gifs I went from being indifferent to rezero to despising it now

[potent ermine]

It coming

[keen vapor]

Rosanna? You guys have Rosanna?

[umbral crown]

[potent ermine]

Rosy

[vapid lake]

When i've never watched the anime

[potent ermine]

Why you egirl bait

What with PFP and butt

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

True

[vapid lake]

[potent ermine]

Answer the question

[umbral crown]

[potent ermine]

@umbral crown answer my question

[umbral crown]

[potent ermine]

You catfish?

[umbral crown]

investing on noise was the way

[raven plover]

sr15?

[rich quail]

@umbral crown What are your Noise stats?

[coarse lake]

all you really had to do was force cindy to trigger invuln so biscuit living literally does nothing, and make sure noise never taunts so she has a chance to live

having p2 biscuit prob works as well with cindy p4

actually prob worse, cindy would take more dmg from counters without invuln proc on her

[swift mango]

Biscuit was likely alive in his very first fight because of RL whisked anyway. So no chance of living from the start. I though his biscuit was the tanky one but turning out it's his noise.

[coarse lake]

biscuit living is prob due to good s2 rng or something

regardless, biscuit living means you still lose, but noise living means you win

either way you gotta dodge bad rng

there's also a chance their scar team going so fast (esp with cindy feed) means their scarlet has 1 less s1 stack on nuke

at the end of the day, if you want consistent, gotta go with godcomp, other comps will just be dodging crits at best, you need 2.5rl/2rl noah comp that also has good sustain

[swift mango]

Eh, not sure about that. That fight was with deficit on so ofc he would lose Noise or biscuit.

Nice. Thanks to you I solved a question of my own. I should max out my noise first instead of give half and half to Moran.

[coarse lake]

how would biscuit survive if it was on deficit? I'm thinking it was actually not on deficit

[swift mango]

It was

[coarse lake]

no way biscuit lived on deficit and consistently died with no deficit

[swift mango]

Rocket whisk

[coarse lake]

biscuit not getting s2 proc isn't making up for the raw stat diff with deficit

[swift mango]

If you just do the math it would be exactly the number I said to be deficit

And he said it was 200 below

[coarse lake]

hmm

biscuit took 2.36mil from nuke in the original fight

ok this one was a crit tbf

the other one was a crit too

ok it was just crit diff, biscuit got critted by nuke every time

[swift mango]

Oh okay now you solved the question.

Good eye man

[coarse lake]

at least biscuit took the crits instead of noise

[gaunt viper]

glad you could get something out of the experimentations

[grizzled bone]

You interested?

[grizzled bone]

[rich quail]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-girl-tik-tok-discord-funny-gif-22226841

[raven plover]

wao ET you looking cute

[copper creek]

egirl where!!!

hello cute egirl~
if u see this can i buy u a drink~?

[grizzled bone]

Ok uwu

[vapid lake]

Perhaps i'll make laplace treasure soon if RH doesn't rerun on NY

Being RHless is pain

[bleak latch]

@grizzled bone i won

with 50lv different idk how his cp look weirdly low

[swift mango]

Little to no arena investment.

Turning out random bs go was my best defense all along.

[bleak latch]

his sp arena cp look reasonably but only rookie look low so my guest is his rap/bis/noah must be low invest or something

[swift mango]

Well, if he is 50 level above you and you are not 15.4% deficit means he didn't invest in his arena units like biscuit, noah and just use them as is. Along with his invested dps.

[inner sonnet]

Hi, these are all the characters I have. Can Pro help me build a team for the Special Arena? I don't know much about combo characters 🫸🫷

[graceful grotto]

did u take out everyone from synchro?

[inner sonnet]

yeah :V for visibility purposes

[graceful grotto]

laplace is treasured?

[inner sonnet]

? what mean

[graceful grotto]

Moran-Biscuit-S.Anis-Centi-Drake

Scarlet-Blanc/Xanne-Red Hood-Emilia-Jackal

Noah-Noise-Cinderella-Anis-Noir

[graceful grotto]

https://nikke.gg/collection-item-guide-and-overview/#How_To_unlock_Treasures_What_are_Treasures

[inner sonnet]

this ?

[graceful grotto]

yeah

[inner sonnet]

no i don't have it

[graceful grotto]

okk

[graceful grotto]

these are my suggestions, you can swap some unit in/out/in between to test out ur defense (see how others attack you)

emilia can even be the burst user for T3 if ur cindy is not hitting hard enough

[inner sonnet]

I just want an optimization PVP team to send all the Module i have

[graceful grotto]

woah wth

give them to meeee

[loud sonnet]

No gimme it

[quick lake]

Get that 4x Atk rosanna

[inner sonnet]

I wonder if I should exchange the 200 gold ticket for the spare body of Cinderella ? Can 1 star make a difference ?

[quick lake]

Not really. 1star is probably ~2% stat buff

OLs and Ele lines more CP

[graceful grotto]

not much, unless you're a whale lol

i normally only mlb for the lobby

https://tenor.com/view/umer-asad-when-lobby-lobby-gif-15794701954492019041

[inner sonnet]

ok, thank you guys very much 🫸🫷 time to use all module

[grizzled bone]

emi targeted sbs?

[grizzled bone]

Nvm I see now the taunt worked and target Noah but p3-5 died anyway kek

[grizzled bone]

I wouldn't hold out for an rh re run for new years

[bleak latch]

[graceful grotto]

that was a huge dmg from emilia lol

[bleak latch]

RH Blanc made sure that happen

[grizzled bone]

I can't tell if you're well invested or they're badly invested lol

[coarse lake]

that's just properly invested

everyone that isn't invuln atm should die to double buff emi

[bleak latch]

still this comp is weak to og scarlet fast burst tho

[coarse lake]

if fast enough scar, and strong enough, yes

[bleak latch]

i've beating it myself one of my enemy copy my comp back then lol

blanc just slow down overall team burst gen with her AR

[graceful grotto]

indeed

[coarse lake]

no blanc feeds

[graceful grotto]

me without RH so have to rely on liter:

[coarse lake]

a faster emi comp just loses to a standard noah comp

no way around it, gonna have a counter one way or another

if you beef up your emi and rh enough you might live through it though

[bleak latch]

timing right with noah immortal can bypass her too

[swift mango]

But when you stack it up. Core +7 vs no lb then the former would be in above 15.4 deficit at same investment. So it's still mean something.

It's enough to make whale pull for more copy to compete thanks to how the game works.

And CP means almost everything.

[quick lake]

Hm thats true

[swift mango]

I say it's better to not have bay than having her but can't get gear to build her up for months.

[umbral crown]

No yet but soon

[umbral crown]

Have to check it later when i log in

[desert musk]

sometimes it's very confusing to see people with lev 160 team with 120k cp.. speaking in general either people have low asfk cp for their rank points or the other way around. Question-> am I doing something wrong and supposed to be way stronger? or is that normal lol

[upper grove]

depends on your OL, skill investments etc

at 160 my Alice was 10/4/10 with 3/4 OL and she alone had like 40k power or sth like that while the rest was trailing behind

[quick sparrow]

for an sp arena who would be the best 3 comps to use with what i have, can put some invest in some uninvested nikke that's not an issue, but i'm pretty bad at team building so i've been mostly progressing in rank by putting the highest cp possible but i guess there are better ways of doing it (can't show what i use right now because arena is closed for now)

[swift mango]

I'm just wondering how doll damage reduction interacted with shared damage?

Like Scarlet linked with Jackal (just conveniently not counting the 3rd linked here). If scarlet had 16% dmg reduced doll and Jackal had none. If an attack flying at Scarlet and that would deal 1000 dmg. How much would each of them take?

1000 reduced by 16% then shared to 2. Or 1000 shared to 2 then reduced by 16% to scarlet and no reduction for Jackal?

[toxic bobcat]

any team i can make in arena with this roster?

[swift mango]

For rookie, just goes with

Grave+Rouge+Cindy+Centi+Rumani

I guess.

For SP

Moran+Zwei+Centi+Cindy+Maiden/Drake

Ein+Blanc+Rumani+Anis+Alice

Noise+Privaty+Grave+Purepunzel+Drake/Maiden

[toxic bobcat]

awesome thanks man

[keen vapor]

Overload lines heavily affect CP

[glad meteor]

Dolls too

Bugged solo raid messed up lower sync pvp a lot

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

How so

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

1.2m?

[keen vapor]

No

[swift mango]

[umbral crown]

Why

[ancient bison]

for Rookie Arena

[trail inlet]

you dont want 3RL if you wanna survive against that team

something like noah/noise/sanis/biscuit/RH will work if you are equal cp

4RL to block emi nuke

or you use 2RL nuke

cindy does well

[ancient bison]

it's for defense if i'm drop Jackal my team will got destroyed by scarlet

[trail inlet]

well defense is always counterable

and that above team is literally the best atk and def team

so i suggest you make a 2RL cindy team

if they are attacking with that specific comp

[ancient bison]

what cindy 2RL comp looks like ?

[swift mango]

3 Clip RL+ 1 clip SG + Cindy

[trail inlet]

noah/pepper/cindy/centi/jackal but again its a pretty crappy def team

or you can def with a blanc/scalter/RH/biscuit/jackal

[swift mango]

There are teams that can easily beat this team but they would be beaten even easier by other teams. Lol

You could basically mirror and replace Jackal with Purepunzel or sth.

[trail inlet]

well who knows if he even is attacking with that team lmao

rookie is literally a bloodbath if everyone has same cp

[umbral crown]

Si

[ancient bison]

My CP 100k up against the guy who always hitting me everyday 5 times. I think I will try with turbo cindy

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Well, I keep hitting a guy and lose everyday 4-5 times just to test my comp there. Giving people free win in rookie is fine.

Well, disclaimer here is that I can beat his defense just fine.

[umbral crown]

Do not ive free wins, beat them and teach a lesson

Thats why my rivals there just gave up in attacking me

[swift mango]

Then I would have no way to test team in arena lol

[umbral crown]

But i still hit them x2 daily

[swift mango]

Last rookie season I ended at 10 because I couldn't hit anyone with a passable team from rank 30 and had to win to jump up lol

[umbral crown]

Happens

[swift mango]

Anyway, I just checked some records and saw the shared damage being the same for people with different doll upgrades so I guess the dmg share only take into account reductions from the nikke it hit. Its mean it's pointless to put purple doll on Bay or Jackal if they never getting hit directly lol.

[umbral crown]

They need it even if they are not hit

Remember jackal gets hit when attacking against SG

And bay usually between P1 and P3

[swift mango]

Blue doll provide other stats just fine. Unless you want SR 15.

Yeah they could get hit but I was talking if they never gonna getting hit lol.

[swift mango]

P3 rarely get hit if you build it right.

I guess Bay at p3 may still want the purple doll for cover HP up though... I doubt it matters much but oh well

[umbral crown]

She would love a SR tho

It gives you more ways to defend

[glad meteor]

Met the tankiest biscuit on no deficit

[umbral crown]

Waos

[signal hull]

Can anyone explain S.Anis burst to silly 'ol me -- do I have to burst with HER, as in use HER B3 in order to get all the effects, or it works with just full burst?

Cuz everyone says how amaaaaaaaaaaaazing she is in pvp and I just don't get it (I never use her B3)

Actually, same question for pve too, I suppose.

[glad meteor]

[glad meteor]

[umbral crown]

@glad meteor

[umbral crown]

@keen vapor you are the MA, do it

[glad meteor]

Most potent counter in this game is noah biscuit

• noah blocks nukers if timed correctly, e.g scarlet mpriv cindirella
• biscuit s2 can be used with taunters like noah and give a defender 10s of invulnerability countering redhood, scalter, alice

Sanis S2 allows her to bypass this by attacking 2 highest attackers. Once sanis is invested she can trigger the s2 repeatedly in burst slowly killing the enemy team.

It’s harder to counter sanis in a proper setup than other dps

[signal hull]

But do I burst with S.Anis, or is full burst enough?

[glad meteor]

You burst with her

She need to burst to give her ammo reduction

To trigger her last bullet mechanic on s2

[glad meteor]

Put on resilience cube for her, try not to put her in a team with noir or liter

Or sugar

[signal hull]

Yeah cuz they increase ammo count, ok, thanks for info.

[glad meteor]

Some people used liter sanis for mirror container. I don’t know anymore though

[coarse lake]

sanis is overrated

scarlet counters her so hard that using a sanis comp is a detriment against ppl that can build a proper scarlet nuke comp

[swift mango]

If it's Crown+Liter+RH+Cindy/Ein+S.Anis then they use B1 RH lol

[coarse lake]

ppl who use liter to buff sanis don't really care that much for sanis dmg, but rather ein

[glad meteor]

Liter still triggers her max ammo buff regardless

[coarse lake]

iirc full clear mirror AI before cindy used like crown/liter/sanis/ein/naga or something

no rh

[swift mango]

Not really

She needs to Burst herself to trigger her s1.

[coarse lake]

these days you prob wouldn't even use sanis for mirror

just use cindy ein, sanis as a flex buffer if you don't need heals

[swift mango]

I didn't even used Ein for mirror I used my go'ole Scarlet.

[glad meteor]

oh, i see now

[coarse lake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TceJjxLu8k
the vid I saw

seemed like they did need naga

so new comp prob just replaces sanis with cindy

results screen

cindy dmg would be at least double that of that semi-bricked sanis

easily making up for lack of sanis buff imo

[swift mango]

Okay u meant AI lol
Need to get to that level first

[coarse lake]

oh yeah I mean AI

don't remember what it's like for the boss, you might not need naga

[swift mango]

You should be able to auto burst with

Cindy/Ein+S.Anis+Crown+RH+Liter

The recommend I saw about this before needed manual bursting. It's a chore.

[oblique magnet]

i'm hoping that with the anni ending, pvp will be less competitive

this most recent season was pretty brutal / active compared to the seasons before it, lol

[umbral crown]

there is no reason to be less competitive, should be even more than it is actually

[oblique magnet]

lot more people actively playing with the 2 free recruitments ~ i've seen far more new people climb the pvp ladder during this most recent season. with the events ending, i'm hoping a few will stop playing as much

[umbral crown]

there is also shuffle happening in 2 weeks

we will see

[coarse lake]

pvp won't be extra hectic until champ arena

in other words pvp will never be extra hectic

I don't see player activity in pvp changing much outside of that

maybe more activity during big events since normally a lot of ppl just do their dailies and log out, so they might as well skip SP

but I don't see a change at all personally

[tropic summit]

there's no estimate on this is there?

[oblique magnet]

probably depends on the bracket - i'm with servers that started around 6 months ago. i can imagine the older servers not changing much - but my bracket was super active. like 2 seasons ago, top 10 didn't change much and i only defended twice. this season, i was swapping between top 7 every day, lol

[coarse lake]

estimate?

istg they off'ed it

[tropic summit]

as in any ETA of release/implementation

[coarse lake]

no mention whatsoever for 2 patches

[tropic summit]

ah great

[umbral crown]

ETA?

[tropic summit]

[copper creek]

as we have witnessed before, this depends on your bracket 😂

[coarse lake]

some possibilities:

• delayed so much that they don't feel the need to even tell us for a while
• progress held back so much they got no idea when they'll even be done
• they canned it entirely

[tropic summit]

last i asked in forums it was more like "their focus is currently on PVE coop"

[coarse lake]

regardless, it's bad

[tropic summit]

yet PVE coop still sucks

[coarse lake]

can't wait for them to silently remove champ arena from the pvp menu next patch

[tropic summit]

if anyone would ask me "what so fun about NIKKE" i'd honestly struggle to defend it

[oblique magnet]

i think nikke is kinda expanding too fast - they have so many balls rolling and now the bugs are catching up

[tropic summit]

yeah at this point it would make more sense

[copper creek]

wdym expanding too fast

[swift mango]

Ass shaking. Which you can just download the game and open Nikkepedia to view. Super F2P friendly

[copper creek]

we need more content 🤣

[coarse lake]

they've been cooking so long that the food fossilized

[tropic summit]

"oh that wasn't just decoration?"

"there's another arena???"

[copper creek]

all interns working on CA probably didnt get fulltime offer

[quick lake]

They needa open a new game mode for whales

[oblique magnet]

new characters every 2-3 weeks, new bosses - things glitching and having weird interactions with each other. we haven't had a new treasure for a while either

[coarse lake]

they need actual QA testing

[tropic summit]

last RAID was actually 3 RAIDs as it got cancelled 2 times

[copper creek]

maybe they could start by listening to their QA

[coarse lake]

literally hire a few of those CN folks

[quick lake]

I hope CA comes soon. Means more CA bugs and compensation

[oblique magnet]

no complaints from me ~ loved the doll upgrade mats, lol

[coarse lake]

I'm sure a few of them wouldn't mind doing testing for you in return for ingame currency

bc they already do the testing for free

[copper creek]

if their qa tells them theres a problem and they dont do sht because "this is such a weird fringe case nobody will ever trigger this realistically", idk what to do with that also

[coarse lake]

a single one of those cn dudes did more work than their entire QA team

[copper creek]

i kinda feel bad for them tbh

[coarse lake]

if they had to fully recook champ bc of how buggy it is, then it's for the better

[copper creek]

after all, they are just a small indie dev 🙂

just trying to prop up this small indie game 🙂

[tropic summit]

then again, it's probably because they're a small studio

they prolly don't have enough money to invest on better features

forgot my /s

[swift mango]

Now waiting for an intern to give them "detailed plan about how to make more money with CA" so we could have CA and that Intern's promotion.

[quick lake]

Well, arena in general has been bugged forever. Alot of QA needed for CA release

[copper creek]

i wouldnt be surprised if they genuinely just dont even have a QA tbh

[tropic summit]

said intern, probably

[coarse lake]

they prob have standard QA, testing for the most obvious use cases

[copper creek]

it took all the pvp veterans ganging together to throw a whole megathread/list of pvp issues

[swift mango]

Well he failed to make more money.

[tropic summit]

this happened?

[coarse lake]

need to hire competitive folks that can limit test out every possible bug

[copper creek]

before residual targetting got fixed

just took them a year for them to fix it before reintroducing the problem all over again

[coarse lake]

oh yeah there's still cindy decoy fix in the pipeline

they might have just forgotten about it honestly

[copper creek]

why do u think zixk and i tilted off the face of the planet

[tropic summit]

keep it long enough and it's a feature

[swift mango]

Easy just change the text like how they fixed her Ulti.

[tropic summit]

just like the rocket whiffs or emilia bypassing bay's cover skill

[copper creek]

i mean theres more reasons but that was particularly annoying

[coarse lake]

no the bug is with how it messes with targeting

in both pve and pvp (always target skip to the right of her in pvp)

[copper creek]

not a tooltip problem, she target skips

[swift mango]

Yes, just change the text so it officially messing with targeting.

[coarse lake]

in pve it makes the unit to your right take extra hits from massive splash

[copper creek]

hahaha

[tropic summit]

and yet, people throwing money like no tomorrow at them

has to be the best marketing in history of gacha

[copper creek]

at this point just change some of the flavour text

"This does not work"

[coarse lake]

3 weeks ago

[copper creek]

there its working as intended - as the tooltip says, it does not work!!

[tropic summit]

november 5 was 15 days ago, issue is clearly fixed

[coarse lake]

hey maybe they fix it with the flora patch

[copper creek]

yeah im sure they will adjust it with a patch

maybe in 2025, then theyll manage to revert the fix and break it again

[tropic summit]

where did i put that extra copium

[coarse lake]

inb4 the fix causes decoy to not work and cindy takes full dmg from attacks

or the decoy hitbox changes so that it blocks her own projectiles

[copper creek]

a la centi 🤣🤣🤣

[tropic summit]

please, it sounds like it could happen

don't give em ideas

[copper creek]

happened before 🤣

[umbral crown]

they already took note

[copper creek]

please refer to emilia nuke vs. friendly centi shield

[coarse lake]

does that still happen btw

been a while since I've heard about it happening

[tropic summit]

i would like for bay's skill to block emilia nuke like she blocks any other nuke and dmg

[coarse lake]

they gotta change bay's kit entirely then

bc it works as intended that she can't block emi, due to the multi-instance

[tropic summit]

ah it's multi instance

it wasn't strong enough it had to be multi instance

[swift mango]

She can't block Cindy now as well. The list will just go on

[coarse lake]

for emilia she also does dmg to bay's cover, so it could be that as well, but in general multi instance get through

bay only blocks single instance nukes that don't also hit cover

[tropic summit]

yeah it makes sense

[coarse lake]

we'll never get another game changing b2 for pvp

or even b1

the last game changing b2 was... blanc?

b1 was... jackal?

[umbral crown]

X.Anne?

[tropic summit]

then again, the more game changing nikke, the more defense will struggle to defend

and arena becomes free for all

[coarse lake]

nah xanne ain't game changing

[swift mango]

I would say she is like bay. Strong but won't change the meta

[coarse lake]

only blanc, noah, biscuit are that tier for b2

[umbral crown]

[copper creek]

p sure no

if it happen again i will personally ask the community team to f--k the devs

[coarse lake]

last game changing b3 was emilia

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

I don't think they care about progressing pvp meta ever since jackal banner

sanis and emi were probably just accidents

[copper creek]

didnt they say they'll stop making pvp units since the whole rosanna backlash lmao

[swift mango]

Well, Cindy bring lots of stall team into the picture. You can't even hit Cindy if not killing the whole team first.

[tropic summit]

intern: "sir, the newly released nikke is destroying PvP"
dev: "we had a pvp?"

[coarse lake]

eh.... I wouldn't say cindy is game changing

no-buff b3 nuke is pretty good, but trash gen and followup

[copper creek]

cindy not rly gamechanging imo, shes a free win on def

[coarse lake]

actually technically rh is the latest game changing b1

but I'm sure that's also an accident

[swift mango]

Well, lots of peeps asking to beat stall team Cindy but no one helped lol

[tropic summit]

it's pretty appearent that when they release strong nikke, they've RAIDs in mind, as those also end up strangely linked to their kit

which is just to sell them better

[coarse lake]

yeah they're definitely raid focused

not even campaign focused anymore

[tropic summit]

ikr

campaign is also an afterthought most likely

[copper creek]

yeah

solo raid is the name of the game now

[swift mango]

Idk, like I said, a few peeps came here with Stall team Cindy as opponent and no one could help them.

[coarse lake]

prob bc no one wanted to at the time

[tropic summit]

if only it wasn't world wide but server/bracket based...

[swift mango]

You was online at the time even

[coarse lake]

I only help when I feel like it

I ignore most help requests these days, unless it's a new situation that interests me

[swift mango]

But you helped much easier case

[copper creek]

would u help with messy divorce situation?

[coarse lake]

I prob just looked past the cindy help

[tropic summit]

hopefully you aren't speaking from experience @copper creek

[coarse lake]

I remember ppl posting help when I was talking and helping someone else, don't have a shred of an idea what they posted

[copper creek]

tbh more that no one will

most veterans will just not teambuild here anymore lol

eon is the only one who might entertain if he feels like it

[copper creek]

no, too young for that thankfully

[coarse lake]

any idea what the cindy team was btw

in case it's something actually interesting to cook for

[swift mango]

It was Noise+Noah+Cindy+Quiry+Jackal I think.

They couldn't do anything even with 2 buffs nukes

[tropic summit]

oh the quiry memes

[coarse lake]

just blanc bscar rh

should be plenty, double buffed sustain dmg

[swift mango]

That was what the first they tried lol

[coarse lake]

got message link?

the other idea is just blanc emi rh

[copper creek]

icbm...

[swift mango]

Not enough as well

[copper creek]

thats just begging for icbm lol

[coarse lake]

invest diff probably, a proper emi nuke will kill that team since the only way they got to increase sustain cap is noise

yeah it's a standard 3rl comp, blanc emi rh with proper invest should do the job just fine

maybe there's a chance emi splash on cindy lets emi burst too fast and get nuke blocked

[lunar pawn]

I feel like emi is the most feared nikke in arena

[copper creek]

not rly

rookie and spa are solved game modes

[umbral crown]

nope

[swift mango]

She is only good for attacking honestly

[copper creek]

this is untrue

[coarse lake]

def as well, but definitely excels more in atk

blows up noah biscuit

[copper creek]

emilia21 is the best burst gen unit (apart from jackal+feed)

[swift mango]

For defense you can just use Blanc with on RL slower

Which help make the other teams faster

[coarse lake]

then you scar jack that team

[copper creek]

u just dont burst with emilia lol

i dont need emilia to burst to be useful

[coarse lake]

you cannot make a team that consistently defends against emi atk without putting yourself in danger from 3rl nukes

[tropic summit]

emilia killing p1 p2 p3 alone

[copper creek]

emi21 is the best burst gen unit in the game

[coarse lake]

blanc is the best you can do, but they can just avoid it

[umbral crown]

this

[swift mango]

Then that's what I said, she only good for attacking. Defense she is just another burst regen

[umbral crown]

in defense she is also usefull

[copper creek]

burst regen that hurts like holy f--k yeah lol

[umbral crown]

and no another burst gen

[coarse lake]

blanc emi always still good for defense

[swift mango]

Yes

[umbral crown]

for another burst gen you have rumani

[coarse lake]

they either use blanc or noah biscuit on it, which is worth it, or they just rosa

[copper creek]

the difference between emi21 and burst regen is

if u're against a properly invested emi21, u have to run 5x properly invested nikkes against that

[swift mango]

Other burst regen can also get to 17%

[copper creek]

otherwise opposing team dies before they burst lol

[coarse lake]

her being fast gen without being defender is also huge, lets you save biscuit invuln

[copper creek]

its not just the burst regen

[tropic summit]

i've experienced this

[copper creek]

if u get somebody with emilia21 + 4 atk lines on ol u'll immediately understand

[tropic summit]

as i said, i saw p1 p2 p3 die to emilia

[coarse lake]

regardless of exactly how good emi is in a particular area, the fact that she's so good in so many of them is what makes her real good

imo emi > scar for overall usefulness in pvp

[copper creek]

^ this

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

emi > scar >> sanis

[swift mango]

How does that happen? She doesn't have extra a range on normal attack before burst. They will need to target skip to p2

[tropic summit]

i'd only change a word, "real disgusting" but yeah

[copper creek]

emi21 - she fires 3 normal attack in the time of 2.5rl

[coarse lake]

I don't think you can kill p1-p3 with emi pre-burst without another high dmg splash, unless deficit

[swift mango]

Bruh, even Centi is better to have then Scarlet

[tropic summit]

yeah there was 2 splash

[copper creek]

its enough, 4x atk ol + sr15

[coarse lake]

[oblique magnet]

thank god i started after the konosuba collab; haven't had to fight anyone with her, lol

[tropic summit]

perfectly balanced nikke anyhow, all normal

[copper creek]

i would demonstrate it against my brasilian

[umbral crown]

[copper creek]

but for once i had a 2 week period of successful defence 🤣

[coarse lake]

regardless, I don't actually use emi as pure gen most of the time, she's my t3 dps, bc she's better than most of the others out there still

[swift mango]

Darb I wished I played that Konosuba Collab too

[copper creek]

so idk how to demo also

[oblique magnet]

the collab i regret missing most is nier 😢

[copper creek]

the joke is we have no konosuba collab

[swift mango]

I mean I really want that Darkness ass

[coarse lake]

the worst case is ppl who started before collab... and skipped emi

[copper creek]

yeah i think nobody toppled me for the full season, lmao

[swift mango]

How to get it then?

[coarse lake]

those guys are bricked

[tropic summit]

hello, that's me

[umbral crown]

real bricked

[swift mango]

My account is so bricked now

Without darkness

[copper creek]

those people can thank the stupid people with MA role who told everyone to skip emilia 🙂

[lunar pawn]

people who started after can at least be in a bracket which nobody has emi, at least

[tropic summit]

although there's noway i'm making a 3rd account anymore, i'd rather be stuck in lower ch because i don't have emilia instead

[umbral crown]

and to skip her gacha skin

[copper creek]

cuz all the pve players went "SKIP EMILIA!! PULL REM"

[coarse lake]

nah emi gacha is the easiest skin skip of my life

[copper creek]

we tried to undo that damage

[coarse lake]

along with asuka gacha

[umbral crown]

asuka was but emi...

[tropic summit]

hello, i'm a victim

[copper creek]

but if u dont believe zixk, keripo + me when we tell you that a unit is pvp meta

[lunar pawn]

only skin I wouldn't have skipped was scarlet's, but they went and ruined it by making it a gacha skin

[tropic summit]

where's my reparation emilia?

[copper creek]

suit yourself then

[swift mango]

The thing is Emilia was better than Rem in that one particular solo raid even...

[coarse lake]

I'm not into those types of maids ade does nothing for me

[umbral crown]

but she could do something

[copper creek]

ask those ppl who said skip emilia

[coarse lake]

I was one of those that hyped up rem over emi (for pve)

[tropic summit]

gonna need to grab some molotov before sitting down for a talk tho

[lunar pawn]

wait for the new SSR anis, she'll put jackal to shame

[coarse lake]

now rem is perma shelved

[copper creek]

that is fine
there were MAs telling people to skip emilia
thats very different from what u did

[tropic summit]

you mean s.anis or is there another?

[oblique magnet]

what is MA?

[copper creek]

military academy

players with this role are supposed to be knowledgeable/trustworthy

[oblique magnet]

ooo

[lunar pawn]

||according to last main story chapter, high chance we get a new SSR anis after SSR rapi||

[swift mango]

That's your fault man can't be helped. We started around similar time but I was against that notion of Emilia suck from the start

[tropic summit]

good thing i've rem and not emilia

[coarse lake]

tbf anis has a good track record in pvp

[copper creek]

and they know their way around pve sure, but i would not trust most of them on pvp

[coarse lake]

but unless they focus on pvp again, only way new anis is good for pvp is if they did it by accident

[tropic summit]

it's not, i was just a newb with barely any experience and no resources anyway

[umbral crown]

🧱

[lunar pawn]

only purple unit people can confidently use in pvp heh

[coarse lake]

not anymore with rumani kek

yet to use anis since then

ain't building her so she isn't a cp loss

[lunar pawn]

who even rolled for that potato

[copper creek]

tfw my anis has more cp than my centi

sr5 anis KEKW

[tropic summit]

my normal anis is still one of my main in PvP because of lack of rumani and emilia

[keen vapor]

I will never forgive chicken

[tropic summit]

hell yeah

[coarse lake]

wait echo don't tell me you skipped emi

[lunar pawn]

rumani was such a big cope, super bait for arena nerds

[copper creek]

🙂

[lunar pawn]

I thought only kamui skipped emi

[coarse lake]

nah rumani has her use, used her as b1 role a few times, great for 2rl comps that don't use jackal

[tropic summit]

ah yes, let's share the pain in that case @keen vapor

[swift mango]

To be frank there are many. Hot take PvE that ended up failing miserably anyway.

Like Mari, she was a must pull just so the released Grave.

[coarse lake]

more useful than anis imo

[copper creek]

a lot of ppl didnt listen to us and skipped emi, they just dont participate in this ch

[coarse lake]

I never trust b2 niche buffers anymore burned too many times

[lunar pawn]

eh, it's just a purple anis with higher cp roof, and different burst type

[coarse lake]

flora is gonna be my t5 to buff laplace until I get SG team

no other long term use other than that

[coarse lake]

different burst type is the key

[copper creek]

huh? flora?

[coarse lake]

we only got 1 other b1 clip rl and that's jackal

[lunar pawn]

buffing laplace is mad cope too

[coarse lake]

my laplace is my t5 dps for behe

[tropic summit]

meanwhile laplace carrying my sorry ass with RH and scarlet

[lunar pawn]

she never saw the light of day in my teams

[coarse lake]

so I'll have a use out of flora until I get bsoda

[tropic summit]

also carrying my tower

[copper creek]

ott of flora - do u think her pubes smell of flowers?

[lunar pawn]

[tropic summit]

quite relevant question

[coarse lake]

with how she sits in her promotional pic, yes

[copper creek]

thats why im asking, you see

[swift mango]

I think her piss smells of flowers

[tropic summit]

you're just interested in her

[copper creek]

why dont u drink it and tell me if it tastes of flowers too

[copper creek]

can u blame me, she looks good

[swift mango]

Let me try

[tropic summit]

we took a quick turn there

[coarse lake]

regardless, flora gonna be trash for pvp

[tropic summit]

aight, back on track

[coarse lake]

heals nonexistent, and unless you got a team that can stay in and out of 90% consistently, shielding is useless too

[oblique magnet]

i wish isabel was good for pvp - i need some justification to get her skin that expires in 7 minutes, lol

[coarse lake]

but if you got a stall team that can do that, you're already gonna outstall them, and easily too

[copper creek]

huh

yea her kits obviously garbage lol

[tropic summit]

imagine being able to play non-meta nikke so to give you a reason to buy a skin

[swift mango]

I bet whale could make auto shooting team with Crown+Flora 20% better now

[coarse lake]

[swift mango]

That's huge

[umbral crown]

just wait for a treasure

[coarse lake]

if they're stupid enough to get enough flora copies so they even use her sure

at that point let them have their fun with their flora in pvp

[oblique magnet]

i wish they would just release a schedule for the treasure pipeline so people can plan accordingly

[copper creek]

sorry no makes too much sense. cant do

[coarse lake]

when's the next treasure release btw, it's been a while

[umbral crown]

they should treasure ein , ez

[copper creek]

her kit is already great, you jk lover

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

her kit is already useful, unlike 70% of the other nikke

[umbral crown]

a good reason to make her even better

[glad meteor]

Fix my brid

[coarse lake]

honestly the most meta standard this entire year

[umbral crown]

100% atk during FB

burst damage x2

[coarse lake]

dkw is close, but isn't up to par imo, esp with how prominent MC is now

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

just treasure red hood, she's still too weak

[glad meteor]

Attack dilution

[tropic summit]

make it that once she bursts, the stage ends

[coarse lake]

my missilis tower is farther than tetra, despite built alice

pretty sure the main reason is bc ein provides the mob clear I need

[tropic summit]

you need more mouse click per second

[coarse lake]

tetra I got no mob clear

[tropic summit]

get those fingers some practice

anyway, i need to get xludmilla, because god forbid i got absolutely no water carry

[signal hull]

I need to get xLudmila cuz she's hot.

[swift mango]

Why you need a water carry?

[umbral crown]

raid exists

[coarse lake]

nihilister shows up so often in pve

it sucks not having competent water dps

[tropic summit]

both of you got it right

[swift mango]

Raid only need to pull the one they currently promote.

[coarse lake]

I fought nihil twice in 1 week, in hard campaign and tribe tower

[swift mango]

They will just powercreep like Yu-Gi-Oh

[coarse lake]

a few weeks earlier I had fought her again in hard campaign

that's 3 nihil fights I had to mald for within a month

my missilis tower is getting close to 300, which is another nihil

[tropic summit]

well then next pilgrim better do that before i roll xludmilla

[swift mango]

Next time a fire raid come back you get another water promote and upgrade her. Before long Xlumilia won't even make t5

[coarse lake]

inb4 it's just a mid standard water dps like quency

[tropic summit]

[coarse lake]

need actual meta water dps, we got none atm

siren is the best chance

[tropic summit]

and i like siren's design, i'd be behind that

[swift mango]

The will come eventually

[coarse lake]

but SU gonna make her some other element or a support, I'm sure of it

[swift mango]

Every raid they would power creep a little

Quency has more condition but her buff definitely higher standard than old Xlumilia

[coarse lake]

higher raw dmg, but xlud has dmg taken debuff utility

[swift mango]

That's how they powercreep but still keep old units playable.

But won't for long

[coarse lake]

we need a proper pilgrim water dps powercreep

all the other elements got them (alice is honorary pilgrim)

[swift mango]

So unless you can spare RSS to build them all just build the newest units

Firs

That's how powercreep game work

And how arena would be if CA became a thing

[coarse lake]

we don't have the b1 and b2 units need for 5 team CA to actually be interesting

[umbral crown]

and also you need good dps to get 3% frames

just think how many good water units we have

[swift mango]

That's for older player. I was talking about raid with similar starting date as myself

Won't have enough RSS to upgrade them all anyway

And when you upgraded them all they would be powercreep

[tropic summit]

those with a wallet don't have that problem

[umbral crown]

be faster, wee started similar time. we part of the new pvp generation

[swift mango]

New players in powercreep games should just get the newest shiny units that slower to be powercrept lol

The will build up to 3% eventually so long as they don't choice to build old units that would soon be powercrept

I bet Xlumilia will still relevant for another 2 years with her dmg debuff as B3 though.

[coarse lake]

eh....

she's on the verge of getting pushed out in some raids

[swift mango]

Not her actually dmg

[coarse lake]

if we get another flex unit that can buff, it might be over

[swift mango]

I guess neutral teams already overtake her?

[coarse lake]

sometimes

[swift mango]

Oh well

Then not much reason to get her then

[coarse lake]

main use this raid is to actually be an MG for insane gen with grave cindy comp

I also use her over maxwell as flex in a cindy crown comp, since dmg taken isn't diluted

[swift mango]

Which raid?

[coarse lake]

really depends on how often they release flex buffers

behe raid

we really only got 2 flex buffers, maxwell and xlud

[swift mango]

That's just lightning raid that she is used as extra buffer

[coarse lake]

in a lot of raids she's commonly used with rh in tiga comp

but idk if that still holds true now with grave

[swift mango]

I was talking Water raid in the next 2 years when everyone running mono 5 team and almost no neutral

[coarse lake]

oh she'll be relevent in water until like EOS

[swift mango]

Doubt it

2 years most

[coarse lake]

with how much SU hates water, we ain't getting enough water meta units to push her out

she's arguably still top water unit

despite emi quency phantom, quency is the only one that can compete

plus you need multiple meta water dps for her to be out of raids entirely

and even then she prob gets a use as a buffer for them

[swift mango]

I remember Konami hate Wind too, until they threw out tons of Wind meta in Yu-Gi-Oh few years back that made players hate wind instead.

Nothing is impossible

[coarse lake]

if xlud even shows up this xmas, this could be the last one

depends on how they do the reruns in the future, maybe she will only get put in shop and no longer have her own banner

they can't keep running rerun banners for all the old seasonal units

or they just never run her again

[swift mango]

Could just throw to off rate like first year

[coarse lake]

yeah that too, but I don't think they're doing that based on how they did summer

[swift mango]

Nah they need a way

[coarse lake]

a lot of ppl disliked the off rate they did last time, they even asked survey questions on it

super old seasonals should just get put into mileage shop only, simplest way to deal with it, doesn't harm the actual banners

[swift mango]

Yes but if they don't do it then it's just worse

Rerun banner is fine

[coarse lake]

rerun is fine, in the short term

[swift mango]

But no rerun banner than off rate is better

[coarse lake]

eventually they gotta do something about the super old units

[swift mango]

And that's better be put to buff rate

[coarse lake]

in 5 years they ain't gonna do like 20 reruns in a patch

[swift mango]

That's how off rate work

[coarse lake]

how did they do off rate again last time ,what did xanne cannibalize

[rustic sandal]

Any idea how to defeat fast Moran?

[coarse lake]

if it's the non-rateup units then that's fine, but if it reduces the actual rateup units that's terrible

scar jack

ok found it

seemed to cannibalize the non-rateup

[swift mango]

They could learn from Arknight.

New units has normal rate.
Off rate limits just 5 times the odd of other normal off rate.

Then also buyable from shop.

[coarse lake]

if so yeah that's a viable strat, no one gives a shit for non-rateup standards anyway

although if they only allocate 1% to reruns

[tropic summit]

you can go for aoe nuke, if you kill anis they can't burst, after that simply slowly kill off the remaining team

[coarse lake]

eventually that's basically like putting them in mileage shop only

only works if they expand the 1% allocation

[swift mango]

Still better than Pligrim

[coarse lake]

yeah true

[swift mango]

Nothing to worry about

[coarse lake]

well regardless they'll still be in mileage, so tiny off-rate chance is still a bonus

[swift mango]

Yes, better than Pligrim is a bonus already

That would make viable strategy of only pulling for limited and buy from pligrim

[tropic summit]

something like noah noise cindy centi jackal, if you really wanna commit to it, if they hit like a truck put a biscuit instead of centi

[swift mango]

Other normal banner goes no pulls

[rustic sandal]

That's my Strongest Team

F

[tropic summit]

got any clip SG or clip RL?

that do not kill your CP with it

[coarse lake]

just do fast enough cindy nuke

they can't win with just moran crown unless your cindy is like no invest

[tropic summit]

jackal, centi, noah, rumani? any of these are built a bit? @rustic sandal

[swift mango]

This is slow moran though...

[coarse lake]

if you don't have biscuit use cindy in p5 to block SGs

[rustic sandal]

Ok

[tropic summit]

noah cindy rh naga SBS

[rustic sandal]

Thanks

[tropic summit]

their only SG is naga, doubt she can solo SBS in 4RL

[coarse lake]

sanis as well

sbs could die, but as long as it doesn't impact your gen too much, won't matter

[tropic summit]

oh right 🤔

completely ignored sanis

but ye as long as cindy lands the nuke, bye bye B3 and whoever isn't a defender

[swift mango]

Just use this team to attack and you would win

Bruh deficit people

No need to complicate it

[tropic summit]

i thought we were here to help teaching arena, not getting ppl to CP deficit

[rustic sandal]

I didn't upgrade Noah Helm Boots etc. Equipment F

[tropic summit]

might aswell tell the lad to use their wallet

[swift mango]

Arena is about fighting deficit though. It's important

[tropic summit]

bets on this being a R or SR

[swift mango]

Could be Anis

[tropic summit]

folk, expectations were less worse than i thought

still useless to me but oh well, it isn't an R or SR

[coarse lake]

product 23

[swift mango]

I'm waiting for 3 mold to open at once. Learnt my lesson

[tropic summit]

yes, so instead of 1 R you can get 2 R and 1 SR

[swift mango]

50% though. I should get a SSR blink blink

[tropic summit]

i like your optimism

[swift mango]

My crappy Bay ready to attack some 3rl Scarlet. Plot twist: There are no 3rl Scarlet in my bracket that's not use Blanc.

[tropic summit]

remind me how to beat this:

[swift mango]

4RL S.Anis

[tropic summit]

their emilia deletes my p1 and p2 tho

[swift mango]

Not with biscuit

[umbral crown]

Moran/Noah/Biscuit/S.Anis/Rapunzel

[tropic summit]

CP takes a hit with that as moran and rapu aren't fully built

[umbral crown]

but still in range?

[tropic summit]

sorta

[umbral crown]

whats the cp

[coarse lake]

I wouldn't use noah

you only have 5 sec worth of invuln

if your sanis can't kill rh fast enough you lose

[tropic summit]

their emilia will pop biscuit passive on both p1 and p2

their RH is fully kitted and doll SR15

as i can't wipe her even with scarlet and rh buffing scarlet

[swift mango]

Maybe replace rapu because it's too close

[tropic summit]

unless it crits

[swift mango]

But I think you lower than 15.4 lol

[tropic summit]

the team that i won with before, but needs to crit:

[coarse lake]

what's your noise and noah CS

[swift mango]

You could use Blanc though

[umbral crown]

in my rookie i have the exact same team but emi bursting instead red hood

[tropic summit]

noise is barely built, noah is 4% CS

quantum is lvl 5

[coarse lake]

are your p2 dying to splash before burst

[swift mango]

Why not use Cindy at this point?

[coarse lake]

cindy prob can't nuke fast enough

[umbral crown]

cindy is blocl by noah and buiscuit

[tropic summit]

unless i put ppl with doll on SR15, then yes they do

[swift mango]

I mean replace rh

[tropic summit]

RH and laplace for example can survive her

pre burst

[coarse lake]

can biscuit survive

in p3

[tropic summit]

by memory i think she did

also to give you further info, it should be like this:

they are sitting on 3RL

[coarse lake]

noise and rapu unbuilt?

[tropic summit]

yep unfortunately

[coarse lake]

laplace treasured?

[tropic summit]

yessir

[swift mango]

That team is always 3rl lol

[coarse lake]

honestly

hmm

[tropic summit]

another option that worked b4, although barely, and didn't rely on crits, was

blanc RH laplace biscuit centi

but i think i lack the damage on RH now, because they built their dolls

[swift mango]

How strong is your campaign team again?

[coarse lake]

if you had emi this would be ez

[swift mango]

460k should be enough to deficit it.

[tropic summit]

i really didn't wanna to CP deficit tho

[swift mango]

Over 15.4% for opponent already lol

[tropic summit]

i feel bad for the poor CN lad

[coarse lake]

your problem is you need to get it so that either noise or rapunzel can survive to burst in p2

[tropic summit]

yeah that's a bit of a problem with current built nikkes

cindy noise and rapu are all currently being built, as i just finished SBS and sanis

[swift mango]

4rl Scarlet+Blanc+RH can often solo in my experience of lose to it.

[coarse lake]

does sanis live in p3

[tropic summit]

yeah she has enough dmg reduction

should survive 4rl

[coarse lake]

can honestly go with noah/biscuit/sanis/laplace/rapunzel

rely on rapunzel to revive biscuit

[swift mango]

Scarlet flash s2 would kill everyone in that 8sec invincible

[coarse lake]

but it still depends on your sanis dmg

likely won't be hitting emi until their rh dies

[tropic summit]

sanis should be decent, but untested so far against this team

[swift mango]

Emilia won't even survive one-2 hit

[coarse lake]

problem with scar counter would be rapunzel

[tropic summit]

i'll test all 3 of them, don't mind losing a few against him as he's stacked on rookie points anyway

[swift mango]

Nvm lol

[coarse lake]

back in my old days I beat such comps with indom moran with sbs bursting and splash off-dps

[tropic summit]

the biscuit + noah tho kinda messes hard with my SBS dps

[swift mango]

Emilia is with Noah so she can't survive SBS anyway.

[coarse lake]

prob gotta do biscuit since your moran is trash

[swift mango]

You could always go blanc

[tropic summit]

so if i got it right, we wanna try with these?

[swift mango]

Nope.

2nd teams isn't 4rl

[tropic summit]

oh right

[swift mango]

You want 4-5 RL there lol

[tropic summit]

gonna have to take noah away

and likely jackal too

with the feed on scarlet it won't be 4RL

[swift mango]

That out Noah for uhmm Liter liter maybe enough

[coarse lake]

the good ol' days didn't have biscuit, and honestly didn't need her here

[swift mango]

Not really. It's Rh not Emilia

[tropic summit]

ah yes, the emilia that i don't have

[swift mango]

Moran+Blanc beat Rh 100%

Emilia is different

[coarse lake]

well you're only dealing with emi splash

my moran setup (if moran can live to burst) still wins

although living to burst needs high moran invest against emi

[swift mango]

Emilia hit all

[coarse lake]

their rh is B3, emi isn't

[swift mango]

Bruh...

Then just Moran+Blanc and done

[tropic summit]

fixed btw for team 2

now it's 4RL

[swift mango]

My bad, I though it was Emilia

Sigh

[coarse lake]

if you wanna try it you'll need biscuit for sure

[tropic summit]

it used to be emilia in p3 for the enemy team, then he realized i counter with noah so he switched to RH for B3

[coarse lake]

honestly I don't recommend indom moran, I only used it bc no noah or biscuit

[swift mango]

RH is even easier to counter

[coarse lake]

your problem is you need a b1 that can live

and relies on your sanis doing high enough dps

[tropic summit]

gonna try meanwhile with team 1 and team 2, let's see

[swift mango]

You can just go with 3RL

SBS+Blanc+RH+flex+Jackal

And that's should be enough to win

[umbral crown]

SBs will be blocked by noah+biscuit

[coarse lake]

if rh doesn't get stuck on sbs you prob lose

when indoms run out it's 1v5

[tropic summit]

also SBS might die to splash, from what i've seen

they hit like a truck

[swift mango]

The 3rd shot that hit all though

[coarse lake]

no it's still distributed based on primary target

[umbral crown]

does not matter still

[coarse lake]

it's not a true nuke

if you think rapunzel in p3 can live to burst, noah/biscuit/rapunzel/sanis/laplace

gives sanis the full duration to kill rh and emi

[tropic summit]

CP padding team lost btw

[coarse lake]

laplace might just kill biscuit early anyway

what invest is your sanis btw

what skill invest and any ammo lines

[swift mango]

Remind me why Rapunzel die again?

[coarse lake]

his noise and rapunzel are trash

so honestly prob dies to emi

[swift mango]

But p3 though

What can hit it?

[coarse lake]

well emi will still splash to them

[swift mango]

How?

[coarse lake]

emi autos hit p1 p2 p3

if she targets p1

[tropic summit]

team 2 lost aswell, p2 got deleted

[coarse lake]

notice in my vid that emi killed the biscuit and rh at about same time

[tropic summit]

emilia doing great work on their team

[grizzled bone]

emi is goated

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

gotta yolo with the crit, if i crit good else i'll stop there

[umbral crown]

did you try 3rd suggestion?

[coarse lake]

noah/biscuit/rapunzel/sanis/laplace
did you try this yet

[swift mango]

Darn never noticed as though I always use her lol... I checked my old record but I doubt she could kill p3.

[coarse lake]

usually can't, but with his trash rapu, who knows

p2 is easier since the other rls also help

[swift mango]

I really doubt it

[tropic summit]

ok crit did the job

now if only it was 100% crit

[coarse lake]

are you doing scar nuke

[tropic summit]

i'll post the 3 attempts

[coarse lake]

try the noah biscuit stall before you rely on crit rng

[swift mango]

You shouldn't use 4 RL here because RH lol...

My bad

I though Emilia

[tropic summit]

no worries, it's rookie so it's testing ground for me, even better if you guys can spot the errors or what i can do better for each approach

unfortunately the scarlet wipes are lately becoming crit reliant, which is bad

[coarse lake]

bruh

ok your rapu gotta be at least half the hp of centi right?

if so she prob lives in p3

[tropic summit]

yeah she'd revive scarlet, invulrn on her, likely ace from there

even if she won't delete with crit, she'll have 10s of free counters, might've worked

[swift mango]

For clip 2, put RH to p3 and you should have won.