pvp-arena

[swift mango]

You can't make teams with more win rate than that.

[meager kiln]

Yeah but like highest winr8 n all

[swift mango]

If you can please show.

[umbral crown]

you use noah+biscuit at 2 RL and scar team is gone

[swift mango]

Yeah it can be counter.

[grizzled bone]

No.

[umbral crown]

Noah/Centi/Emilia/Rosanna/Jackal im 100% sure will win against sca

[grizzled bone]

All teams are beatable

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Like counter to every team ever.

[umbral crown]

not all teams

[swift mango]

Almost every team can be countered by right timing of Noah.

And you only have 1 Noah.

Or zero defending on luck.

[crimson escarp]

so anyway you recommend me to ovarload moran and emilia since I didnt already?

[umbral crown]

you also forget about Moran

and how Rumani works

[swift mango]

Rumani taunt and buff herself. I used that for Blanc targeting s3 Emilia so I say I know how she work.

[umbral crown]

then you have more options to taunt

moran if well invested can live without biscuit

[swift mango]

Rumani only taunt the one she hit though. Not working if she hit s1 and S.Anis at s3 for example.

[worthy knoll]

Why you use S1 S2 instead of P1 P3, so confusing

I thought S3 was skill3

[crimson escarp]

also can I ask what "tempering" means?

which cube should I use?

[swift mango]

Tempering cube

[fathom gust]

You got it at chapter 30 story iirc

[umbral crown]

and you know what she do when bursting?

[astral sky]

soo i need help...like for some reason I cant beat this one team where either Blanc or Centi is giving Scarlett invinciblity and they she just kills you even after she already used her burst 3

[crimson escarp]

OH SORRY IM DUMB i forgot about it

[astral sky]

how do you counter that so she doesnt have that invincibility

[swift mango]

Buff herself and able to taunt?

[umbral crown]

thats what matters

taunts and thats what people use her

[umbral crown]

31-40

[fathom gust]

Oh yeah.. lastest one was 33 & 34... my bad

[umbral crown]

yep

[worthy knoll]

nah she is just use for gen that is able to B1, taunt is just for cope, there are better taunters

[swift mango]

Well the only meta DPS arena that taunt work on is S.Anis. Emilia, Scarlet, Cindy don't care.

I often use her in attacking team to taunt SBS, RH but I don't think it work on defense team because they can just put S.Anis at s3.

[crimson escarp]

so sorry for bothering u but since I dont have rumani, and xmica, and also moran xanne and emilia not builded how can I change these teams?

I'll overload moran next

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

of course they are

[bleak latch]

just sharing my defense team

[grizzled bone]

It's okay taunts only work on s.anis

[copper creek]

may I kindly just remind/ask everyone to refrain from spreading misinformation here

if you want to run stupid teams on your own, that's totally okay

but most people wont want to spend gems on this mode, and thus only have 2 sp.a atk attempts per day

that's not a lot for u to f around with on other peoples' accounts

[bleak latch]

i'm not whale

[umbral crown]

said the whale

[grizzled bone]

All I hear is whale sounds

[swift mango]

Since your Scarlet is not core I believe in you. 🙃

[bleak latch]

i wish bay partial sharing damage activate right at the start like jackal she would be another SSS pvp unit

[copper creek]

let me just check backlog a bit

... nvm for my own good health i wont

[swift mango]

I wish Scarlet nuke active at the start too

[grizzled bone]

Yeah don't. I havent been clearing backlog either

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/at-least-you-tried-at-least-you-tried-gif-26906451

[copper creek]

if u guys dont know what u're talking about thats fine, dwe have conversations and discussions and thats how we learn, but some of this telling people to use rubbish needs to stop

using biscuit as a rosanna sacrifice unit for example is absolutely rubbish idea that i dont know why anybody would entertain after any more than 3 seconds of thinking

[bleak latch]

poor biscuit she's defender buddy

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

If it worked it worked I guess. Using Biscuit s2 against someone much stronger than you would trigger her on s1 Noah before dying. Not really work on defense but it works.

I repeatedly attacked one guy on Rookie for 20 time to confirm it.

[copper creek]

i respect that u tested this

but for the context of sp.a / champion's arena its a terrible idea

anything's fine in rookie because u dont have to split ur box into 3/5 lineups, but i would highly suggest to you to find a more efficient way - it exists

sp.a maybe can still get away with it, ca absolutely cannot

[swift mango]

C A if you had 5 team you would have teams with low Regen and that make it work better.

You don't need to sarc Biscuit though. There are many options.

[bleak latch]

champion gonna be 5 team split? oh shi

[umbral crown]

there are enough units to make 5 teams burst at 3 RL tho

[copper creek]

incorrect, correct

[bleak latch]

2 of my team gonna be garbage left over one

[swift mango]

And scar could make on team B2.

[bleak latch]

[umbral crown]

a team b2?

[swift mango]

Well, 35% burst fill on one ded is a lot.

[ashen urchin]

@umbral crown think emilia worth the SR Doll for Damage reduc?

[umbral crown]

thats wuth sac but are you sure you can get within cp have enough investment for the 2 units to survive?

[copper creek]

if necessary, use your judgement

[ashen urchin]

since we have an influx of dolls these days

[umbral crown]

i would say: si

[ashen urchin]

i have 4 selector boxes lol

[copper creek]

is your emilia dying a lot very quickly? then maybe consider it
is your emilia not really dying? then consider putting dolls on other nikkes

[ashen urchin]

other dolls?

so my biscuit jackal have R 15 dolls

[swift mango]

If you put her at s2 then definitely.

[ashen urchin]

i think centi might need the R doll if she doesnt have one...

[ashen urchin]

i do...

[bleak latch]

jackal definitely benefit the most from sr doll

[copper creek]

this is highly debatable

[ashen urchin]

not sure why i put an SR doll on noise before anybody else LOL

[bleak latch]

but my bay still got the most out of it

[copper creek]

doesnt matter, you should have 15(sp.a)/25(ca) units with SR doll anyway

[ashen urchin]

i dont know what this means LOL

[bleak latch]

spa special arena
ca champion arena

[copper creek]

at this point of time, all 15 units on your special arena DEF team should have SR5 minimally

[swift mango]

Talk like a true whale or lucky spoon or only investing in pvp.

[ashen urchin]

ahh icic then i should put SR dolls for Jackal centi buiscuit and emilia

[bleak latch]

not sure if these stacking but if it does she's tanky as hell

[copper creek]

for CA, depends on a lot of things
but if old datamines from long time ago is something to go by (it ISN'T) - then you would want all 25 to have dolls

[copper creek]

if u were already playing from doll release, this is not a big ask

there are already people with 10+ sr15 dolls

[bleak latch]

we can't whaling doll right ?

[copper creek]

my bracket alone has at least 7 or 8 people with 15x sr+5 on DEF already

[swift mango]

I play from doll release and I don't even have enough SR RL to fill my team.

[copper creek]

please reroll dispatch

[swift mango]

Not to mention needing to sr15 my campaign.

[bleak latch]

all of my SR doll came from solo raid / dailies

[copper creek]

yes, im talking about 15x sr5 on def, on top of sr15 key pve units

please reroll dispatch, there are resources teaching players how to do this

[ashen urchin]

SR 5 should be more than enough for PVP only chars

[copper creek]

it is only profitable and u cant lose doing it

[swift mango]

Some people need to get from sr5-15 without triggering any Crit you know?

[umbral crown]

SR15

[ashen urchin]

realy?!

[umbral crown]

[copper creek]

he's pvp maniac 😂

[umbral crown]

if you wanna be really competitive

[copper creek]

pray you dont get him in your bracket if CA is under scope lock rules

[umbral crown]

[ashen urchin]

i mean m y server isnt too PVP heavy

im able to finish c4-6

[copper creek]

crow/rosy, zixk, keripo/noeita, elysia, merry, caishen, kosmiu, agent_eon, besti, myself

[bleak latch]

good for you i want to be there

[copper creek]

all the people you should definitely pray to not see in ur CA bracket (non-exhaustive list)

[swift mango]

Nah I won't see you at my level.

[copper creek]

you wont because you're sea, but there are a few terrorists over there though

[bleak latch]

my branch is something like this the no.1 guy was like lv. 666

[ashen urchin]

so it would be safe to just SR 5 buiscuit jackal centi emilia

[copper creek]

dont worry about level, all CA needs to do is scope lock

[ashen urchin]

damn thats a lot of SR dolls lol

[copper creek]

and everybody can fight each other

[swift mango]

It's fine. You guys can't beat whale at lv600 anyway. Why should I care for pvp maniac if whale exist lol.

[copper creek]

keyword: scope lock...

[swift mango]

I mean there are ones at 800 as well.

[copper creek]

again, keywords: scope lock ...

[ashen urchin]

LOL

[swift mango]

No way they lock a few 800 to play with themselves.

[copper creek]

please refer to union shooting range if in doubt........

[bleak latch]

scope lock mean level capped at somepoint

[swift mango]

Ya 400 will have to face them 800 100%

[ashen urchin]

@copper creek do you still cook sp a. defense?

[copper creek]

i will not teambuild for other players in this server
ask in another server, or wait for someone else to help

[ashen urchin]

no problem~ appreciate it

[copper creek]

i will only address specific/mechanical questions and misinfo here

[swift mango]

Normal active player since day one will be around 400+ now. and those peeps will have to face the few 600-800+ guys

No way around it.

[copper creek]

3minutes to reset, good luck snipers

[swift mango]

And why sift up do that?

To make everyone same level huh?

[umbral crown]

But but... i just see blue shields

[bleak latch]

ohhh rip my anomaly

no time left

[copper creek]

at least u get blue shields, no one hitting me anymore 😂

[umbral crown]

[copper creek]

if u still have entries - go in now and exit, just to clear the entry

[umbral crown]

Attempt issues

[copper creek]

better than not using the entry at all, you got 1min-ish before reset

[bleak latch]

with 45 sec i think phase 3 should be doable

[copper creek]

just in and out

less than 30sec left to reset lol

reset

[bleak latch]

welp got 1 stone from phase 3 lmao

[swift mango]

Did they every said CA would have scope lock?

[copper creek]

hey, better than nothing 😂

[swift mango]

Or 5 teams?

[ashen urchin]

thanks for the help @umbral crown and @copper creek as always 🙂

[copper creek]

just treat all conversation about CA as speculation

anybody who knows anything is not going to discuss it here

[umbral crown]

[copper creek]

🙏

[swift mango]

Then why you being so sure you won't be pressed by lv800 whales?

[copper creek]

🙂

[bleak latch]

you won't be if you're not participating in ca

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/secret-its-a-secret-simpsons-lenny-gif-20656799

[ashen urchin]

i wonder if i should build moran/rosanna for def...

have overly invested in PVP since i actually have a shot at top 3

[swift mango]

Just build Moran then

[bleak latch]

moran is good in theory but i don't see anyone using her in top 3

[copper creek]

in the context of sp.a only
rosanna - i don't advise, with dolls shes less useful now, if in doubt plug numbers into nuke calculator and see
moran - if u want to use moran without biscuit, 4/7/7-10

but anyway sp.a is solved even without moran

[bleak latch]

she would be whole lot better if she using shot gun / rocket launcher

[ashen urchin]

yeah thats why ive been hesitant i dont have a "need" for her but maybe to just mix up the Def to throw off the attackers

[copper creek]

this is not advice

all im saying is i would push this SR hard for ego

and build niche units after 😂

[ashen urchin]

for ego?

[copper creek]

yea, top200 go go go

[umbral crown]

skill issues

[copper creek]

electric-weak solo raid is pvp players' heaven

[ashen urchin]

oh haha i htink im very very far from that

top 10 is the best ive done

[copper creek]

dont say that, im newer player than you lol

[ashen urchin]

10%

[copper creek]

well all i'm saying is think about it

[umbral crown]

[ashen urchin]

really?! i find that hard to believe !

[copper creek]

if u invested hard into pvp, electric SRs are the best

[ashen urchin]

ahh icic

[bleak latch]

0

[copper creek]

virtually all the pvp players got 3% on mirror container SR, even those who dont pve 😂
thats saying something

[ashen urchin]

i hoard all my mats so yeah haha im sure i could do better...

[copper creek]

what you hoarding for

this is anniversary brotha

this is what you hoard for 😂

[ashen urchin]

haha

my cindy already 10/7/10

[bleak latch]

peeking at super whale team

[ashen urchin]

i got issues...

[copper creek]

core7 cindy, go

[ashen urchin]

LOL

with my crap luck ill need to save for next collab/lmited

[bleak latch]

well it's worth it tho

cindy is actually great

[ashen urchin]

maybe last day ill MLB

[umbral crown]

661 boost is a thing

[copper creek]

if in doubt, just core7 cindy

[grizzled bone]

Yeah crajee just dip into the stash a lil bit

[umbral crown]

i would

[copper creek]

im enabling u because i have c7 pilgrim (crown) 😂

[bleak latch]

and with 200 black ticket you can core noah too

if you going pvp path noah is a must c7

[ashen urchin]

got her at c1 lul

[swift mango]

You can ask older guys who are chatting lol.

But team 1 I would just replace Noise with Drake in t2 to reach 3RL.

Team 2 is very slow... You could either auto flex. Or add unbuilt units to make it 3rl. Moran+Rumani+Anis+Cindy+flex require no investment to take off. You could replace Rumani with 2 Clip SG here.

[ashen urchin]

PTSD trying to MLB crown took 400 pulls reee!! added to that golden mileage...

[ashen urchin]

i prob MLB last day..tryin got lucksac free pulls. was able to get 1LB with a daily spook

[grizzled bone]

[ashen urchin]

with mileage....lol

[swift mango]

Did you only use 400 pulls or needed to use those 400 gold tickets too?

[bleak latch]

SR doll really made it big differences

[ashen urchin]

all pulls

[swift mango]

Then it's exactly at average rate.

[ashen urchin]

who got the SR doll?

[bleak latch]

my bottom team

[ashen urchin]

i think its a little below but yeah

[ashen urchin]

all of them? lol

[bleak latch]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-hoodie-emperor-all-of-them-gif-13950795

[ashen urchin]

i mean that CP gap is almost double lol

[swift mango]

1% banner needs 400 pulls for 4 copies on average. This is elementary school math.

[ashen urchin]

obviously im bad at math lol

[bleak latch]

what math

[swift mango]

I think 5 years old kid could do this math nowadays...

With all the extra preschool classes.

[ashen urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-simpson-gif-13518564799186478937

[bleak latch]

math ain't real

[crimson escarp]

So I'll try
noah biscuit sanis rapunzel drake
moran anis cindy noir maiden
scarlet blanc rh centi jackal

[swift mango]

If your Anis keep dying put Cindy s2.

[crimson escarp]

Ok! ty

[umbral crown]

Start sending your nikkes,at nikke tab on lobby, in-game settings > nearby > horizonal if on mobile and sort by power only

[crimson escarp]

If u mean my nikke with more cps here they are

[umbral crown]

whats your Mainden,Cindy, S.anis and Scar investment, also Ssakura

Ein and Lapace

[crimson escarp]

I didnt build laplace

u want to see their overloads?

or just skills

[umbral crown]

just tell me their skills, no need to take ss of their OL

[crimson escarp]

maiden 10/10/10 (waifu)
cindy 10/10/10
sanis 10/10/10
scarlet 10/5/8
ssakura 7/10/9
ein 10/10/8

[grizzled bone]

[umbral crown]

i like itnow we going the maiden route

[crimson escarp]

LOL WHAT I'm not a whale

I'm broken af

[swift mango]

Even if you try to use Maiden instead of Cindy you can't put units you don't know he built into the team or it's pointless lol.

[crimson escarp]

maiden has the most cp of all my nikkes

not wonderfully overloaded but still most cp

[umbral crown]

SP Defense
Maiden/Liter/X.Anne/Centi/Jackal
Noah/Noise/Cinderella/Biscuit/Noir
Scarlet/Blanc/Red Hood/S.Anis/Rapunzel or SBS for cp

[crimson escarp]

only missing xanne builded

[umbral crown]

for that you have the pics, im not guessing which he has or not since you see it in the rank

[umbral crown]

try giving some love to her, OL and burst lv 7 and if you can afford lv10 even better

[crimson escarp]

Will do man thanks ♥

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

You just guessed on Xanne right one comment before this lol.

[umbral crown]

nope, i do not guess

X.anne is in the second pic means no invested

also you need to know how each unit works and the best team for them, as you can see they are no where close as the suggested teams keripo did but still works for him. not everyone has all the units and the investment it requires

[swift mango]

We had the pic of his units right here all along 😂

[crimson escarp]

guys dont argue over me 😭 I feel sorry

[swift mango]

Nah I just couldn't check.

Lol

[crimson escarp]

its ok

u all helped me already that's enough for me

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Yeah. My bad lol

[umbral crown]

usually the first 3 lines are the invested

in the last lines are my pve units

[swift mango]

Nah I didn't know the pics existed

Until I checked again

So making stupid comments.

Thanks for the talk lol

Later.

[umbral crown]

take care

[rich quail]

Yo
Listen to Crow
Crow helped me a lot when I started out and is one of the best team builders I’ve ever met on here

Trust in Crow
pls

[vapid lake]

I need to fix this

[whole shell]

damn

you really do

ouch, a lot of your pvp units need investments

a pretty standard rookie team can be scar/blanc/rh/centi/jackal, make sure you invest in jackal asap so you don't get reamed by cp deficit since she's literally at the bottom of your box

I'm not particularly the best at cooking for sp but I can try

[placid breach]

i dont think ben like me

[empty shuttle]

Should I use Blanc Moran on his 2nd team? Or somehow i can deal with that 2nd team?

[worthy jasper]

Is this a good defensive rookie team?

[grizzled bone]

https://tenor.com/view/just-kidding-gif-7952375625498784056

[grizzled bone]

blanc-scarlet-centi-biscuit-jackal would be better

[worthy jasper]

I can definitely do that

[grizzled bone]

in what way? they do different things

[empty shuttle]

moran cant taunt sanis skill?

[grizzled bone]

moran can taunt but has to burst or from her s2

[placid breach]

Why don't like u me too 😦

[rich quail]

Emilia and Biscuit are vital to pvp. Definitely start there.

Emilia is a meta-level powerhouse attacker when optimized, and Biscuit is excellent in helping attackers/supporters/defenders in a way nobody else does.

If serious about pvp, I think going at least OL+0 for both units’ gears is mandatory at your synch rate, for Emilia you may want to go higher in gear investment (ask others here for advice on that, I’m still learning myself).

Also try to give them doll support. At least SR Phase 5 for both.

[grizzled bone]

kek couldnt resist the gif use

[empty shuttle]

Im just thinking that remove anis for moran and put her in s1. My team still probs has enough burst gen tho

[placid breach]

Maybe help to update my def team so Ben can not pick on me more XD but pretty sure just cp issue

[grizzled bone]

did we start using different nomenclature for positions? i've always referred to positions by p1-5

[copper creek]

diu

[grizzled bone]

lei

[empty shuttle]

wel. slot and position. Pretty same to me

[copper creek]

i usually prefer to refer to them by name

so missionary, doggy, lotus, eiffel tower ...

[grizzled bone]

amazon

[mighty haven]

bad whiskey

[grizzled bone]

they have a solid stall team. Are you trying to out-stall them?

[copper creek]

people who actually willingly drink makers mark need help

[grizzled bone]

i've never had makers before

[copper creek]

for your own benefit, keep it that way

[grizzled bone]

how many kangaroo dollars is that?

[mighty haven]

Cheapest one they usually have in bars and pubs, could almost consider it the house whiskey here

[copper creek]

im not trying to be elitist

its just not good and even within its price bracket there are better options

[mighty haven]

Like $50 a bottle, maybe $8 a shot

[copper creek]

i think if u want bourbon, the minimum you should look for is buffalo trace

thats bare minimum (don't pay secondary for it)

[mighty haven]

I just ask for Glenlivet

[copper creek]

glenlivet is not bourbon diu

different thing 😂

makers is a bourbon, glenlivet is... i want to say Speyside

[empty shuttle]

Yeah I dont think i can outburst them and nuke them with my current cinder

although i can try to replace blanc with noir :/

[mighty haven]

What on earth is this then

[copper creek]

i guess they're both similar in the sense that they're both copper pot still whiskies

[copper creek]

michter's produces a bourbon and a rye

the one in your image i believe is a bourbon

[grizzled bone]

you would have to probably make a team at 2RL speed if you're not using someone like Emilia if you wanted to nuke them
you could also try focusing on sanis with a scarlet-jackal combo to take away their dps option

[mighty haven]

I'm more of a Speyside and/or scotch drinker

[empty shuttle]

Welp... i dont have a scarlet

[copper creek]

that one you linked is mega expensive because just approx 200-ish bottles were ever produced, and also because its widely-speculated that there is Stitzel-Weller in there

[empty shuttle]

i have very limited options. Dont have noah either

[copper creek]

stitzel-weller is pappy van winkle's old distillery and it doesn't exist anymore, so for that reason (amongst others), lots of hype behind it

but this isnt spirits channel so i dont go into details too much

[copper creek]

if u like speyside, do a tour/tasting of the smaller distilleries there - the bigger distilleries are fun too, but at the smaller places you get to see a lot less industrialised & more interesting things (e.g. Benromach, Glenallachie)

wait lindores abbey is not speyside

[mighty haven]

Reminds me of some bottle I had here of...tawny? From Seppetfield down in South Australia, apparently was a blend of every year vintage they had ever produced

[grizzled bone]

no one will notice

[grizzled bone]

is your box posted here?

[copper creek]

slightly different

[mighty haven]

Can use Ein

[empty shuttle]

Right.... no ein either

[copper creek]

so the michter's release you linked is a single barrel - not a blend of various, just one barrel, hence why only 200-ish bottles

[empty shuttle]

Here it is

[mighty haven]

Darn no wonder the price is insane

[copper creek]

anyway i have tasted that exact bottle you sent (which would explain why im able to talk a bit about it) - it is indeed possibly the best bourbon i will ever taste in my lifetime

im not sure its worth that price point for virtually anyone, because diminishing returns yadayadayada

but it is indeed goddamn freaking good

[mighty haven]

Looks like I should grab one of these next time I visit the bottle shop

[copper creek]

this is just a mixing bourbon

its inoffensive and tastes like a bourbon should taste, but thats about it

if u wanna dive into the world of bourbon, hmm... ask your liquor store if you can taste Michter's US-1 Rye

[empty shuttle]

And i dont think making a 2RL is posible. Ill have to put my Noir and Cinder in P2 and p1 cuz they have noise

[copper creek]

anyway i will stop chatting about spirits here in case of kids, drop me a dm i'll put u somewhere @mighty haven

[grizzled bone]

yeah from your roster i dont really see a way for you to out stall their T2. T1 looks easier in comparison

[empty shuttle]

Only way i can take on team 1 is to nuke them tho. idk if my cindy is good enough

[grizzled bone]

only 1 way to find out 🙂

[empty shuttle]

After a little bit of consideration. I just take the one below him

Its way easier

[glad meteor]

Outcome depends on investments

[mighty haven]

Moraaaan

[grizzled bone]

he only has blanc as a healer tho

[glad meteor]

Was just showing as a potential comp.

[grizzled bone]

if had rapunzel then maybe

[glad meteor]

When did cai get old

[empty shuttle]

I want scar noah and rap for pvp and they are all pilgrim. pvp is rich people mode

[glad meteor]

I can’t even get tia. Gave up on scar

[mighty haven]

I hardly call this rich

[empty shuttle]

I mean im also stable at rank10 tho

until everyone has scar noah and i dont

[grizzled bone]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[glad meteor]

New emotes

[mighty haven]

Evill

[rustic sandal]

recommended pvp pls
i am not satisfied with previous one

[bleak latch]

tanky comp vs super heal comp

[nocturne arrow]

i just got biscuit, can i defeat him with her or not?

[bleak latch]

you need better nuke niike like scarlet or black scarlet tho but i see you has cindy why don't test her?

[nocturne arrow]

I have SBS fully build. Same results.

Cindy not build yet

[bleak latch]

you lack of noise too

[nocturne arrow]

Still cant get her

[valid fern]

noise is so goated

noise stocks rn

📈

[valid fern]

Are there any b1 or b2 nukes?

[mighty haven]

Original Rosanna and Mari from Eva collab

[glad meteor]

anchor

[vapid lake]

summer helm

[frozen nebula]

Guys my brain is faltering, how do I beat this without throwing the classic Scarlet & RH nuke?

[grizzled bone]

moran-sanis-biscuit-flex-rapunzel type ish

honestly comps will vary depending on investment

[frozen nebula]

Moran isn't halfway built yet, 5-6-6

burst generation really low too?

[coarse lake]

Noah noise biscuit stall

[frozen nebula]

what's my dps slot? can i use a nuker like Ein?

[coarse lake]

Ein is fine

[grizzled bone]

yeah you can also do the typical stall team like eon suggested

[glad meteor]

Cindy cooks those teams

Guaranteed double nuke with blanc buffer

[covert lintel]

the easiest is using rosanna to snipe rh. once rh ded, their team can't burst

[glad meteor]

Red hood p4 snipe will be tough, high invest

[grizzled bone]

mm looking again yeah i agree with you.
I was thinking about the other guy's enemy sanis team

[frozen nebula]

Don't have her built too

[worthy knoll]

Just. Scar Blanc RH someGen Jack?

[rich quail]

Nowadays I use her to snipe both RH or Emilia

[frozen nebula]

Using them for Moran Biscuit team and I can't think anything to beat it, and Ein gets countered by these two; and his Moran is a pain in the ass.

[worthy knoll]

Then just standard Noah Biscuit SAnis team?

[frozen nebula]

For the first team?

[worthy knoll]

The one with Cindy bursting

[frozen nebula]

Noah, Noise, S.Anis, Biscuit, flex (burst gen)? Or should my burst be significantly lower than his?

[worthy knoll]

Noise Noah Biscuit SAnis Rapunzel if Noah > Noise CS (charge speed), Noah Biscuit SAnis Noise Rapunzel if Noise > Noah CS

[frozen nebula]

Generally, what cube do I use for Noise? Cause I have her on burst cube.

[worthy knoll]

Temperance best

[frozen nebula]

any lvl?

[worthy knoll]

Unless you need charge speed cube to manipulate taunt priority

[worthy knoll]

Err? The higher the better, but even one with the first skill at lvl 2 is fine

[frozen nebula]

it's only at lvl 3, gonna switch to charge speed then

@worthy knoll It worked. Thanks.

[worthy knoll]

Temperance is still fine like that, just go with the order base on who has higher cs

[worthy knoll]

If you want freaky, I haven't test it yet but I feel it is also gonna work as long not on penalty

Moran Cinderella Biscuit Makima Rapunzel

[frozen nebula]

Stall team worked like you said. Thanks.

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

[ripe carbon]

Any advice? Keep on losing against weaker enemies

[graceful grotto]

Rookie?

Noah Cinderella Anis Liter Bunny Soda

[mighty haven]

gosh darn, I might not be C1 end of season, because of constant C3 + C6 attacks

[worn ivy]

anyone help?

that 3rd team moran is actually a pain

[zinc sparrow]

Need help with PvP team building

[ripe carbon]

For the 3x team one

[still oxide]

Hi can anyone help me build up some teams for Rookie and Special Arena This is what i have for now

[swift mango]

Quency EQ+Noah+Mary+Maid privaty+B.Soda (3.5rl)

Liter/Ludmilla+Anis+Product 23+Neon+Cindy (3RL)

Auto team.

Nothing much with your box.

[swift mango]

Just snipe last min

[swift mango]

Scarlet+Blanc+Noir+Liter+Jackal (equip quantum cube on Jackal and Noir if you could)

B.Soda+Centi+RH+Neon+Cindy

Noise+Rapunzel+Biscuit+S.Anis+Anis

[swift mango]

It's 4 RL unless they get some max roll CS for their RLs or sth. I doubt it. So just wipe it with a strong 3RL scarlet.

Idk if Noah taunt override Noise taunt before burst. They could make their Noah shot slower than Noise. But if Noise taunts later than Noah on Normal attack then you could even getting high burst Regen for cheap.

[rich quail]

Please explain how opponent’s Noise late taunts can give you high burst regen. I don’t understand this claim.

[swift mango]

Noise and Noah both taunt s1+2. But if Noah hit first then Noise could override Noah taunt. And if S1+2 had RL they would be hitting S2 Noise instead of s1 or s5 Noah and get 1.5 time their normal Regen hitting s1.

[clear trail]

Hey, could somebody take a look on my roster and help update my old teams that are:
for SP: Jackal/Rapunzel/M.Privaty/S.Rosanna/Laplace+
Blanc/S.Sakura/Liter/Noir/Centi
Noah/Biscuit/S.Anis/RH/B.Soda
and for rookie:
Noise/SAnis/Rapun/Jackal/Noah

would my new nikkes shake things up? (mainly got grave/cind/quency/rouge/maiden/modernia/rei/rosanna)

everything up to jackal is fully OLed and min. 4/4/4, rest are t9m and 1/1/1 (so much lower cp)

🙏

[swift mango]

OL Anis if you want to use Cindy, she needs that much more Burst gen.

That's about all you want to change. Add Cindy.

[clear trail]

you mean in rookie instead of sanis?

[swift mango]

I mean in SP.

But considering your Biscuit in is also no OL your team isn't full OL anyway.

[clear trail]

ye, i was only OLing pve nikkes for campaign or in pvp only for sanis GOD comp for rookie from keripo sheet

i have too low gear upgrade mats 😓 always close to 0

[swift mango]

That team needs high investment to even win. Noise want s3 at high level to block 2 RL Scarlet and your whole team with lv5 dolls as well.

It's easily beaten by Blanc+DPS. There is no such thing as good comp in defense unless for joking around. Especially not a 3RL team.

It's only a good team when you out level and/or out invest your enemies. If you level is lower and least invest in would fall apart with Noise ded in 1-2 RL hit. Follow by a wipe or Blanc+dps solo.

[swift mango]

Anyway, you could replace Noir vs Anis and Cindy with S.Sakura. Noir is also no investment anyway. And Cindy is basically S.Sakura++ with less burst gen.

[swift mango]

S.Rossana is also no investment? Bruh

Then could add Blanc to t1 replacing S.Rossana.

Naga to T2 replacing Blanc so it reaches 3RL. Cindy needs no protection to survive until burst.

And no buff to wipe at lv254 bracket.

[steel meteor]

Hello may I ask again how can I rebuild my PvP teams

I find it quite a headache to add viper to my teams as her treasure already been maxed out

[dusty cairn]

how does cinderella fare in pvp in comparison to scarlet?

[spiral onyx]

Can't stop won't stop

[quick lake]

Excited for champion arena

[upper grove]

For OL priority, should I upgrade my lowest DEF team first? Currently it's the jackal scarlet team. I keep getting attacked because I'm lowest among C1-C3
C1 is way ahead of everyone else

[bleak latch]

surviving emilia nuke with 3 healers

[potent ermine]

How I beat Noah biscuit Sanis rap with Emilia

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

@upper grove

From what I did:

1.) Major DPS Units -RH/Scarlet/SBS/Emilia

2.) Major pvp supporter/defender units - Blanc/Biscuit/Noah/Rapunzel/Noise

3.) Burst gen units - Jackal/Anis/Centi/Rumani

4.) Laplace or Viper with treasure

5.) Other supporter/defender/DPS units with specialties (i.e. buffs, burst gen)- Moran/Poli/Bay/Noir/etc..

[ruby oar]

can you guy help me on a pvp team, 1 team and 3 teams? thankss

[glad meteor]

Sanis mid confirmed

[swift mango]

Stronger wipe, doesn't need protection, or Res but need more burst Regen.

You actually can put her it s5 to counter SG and she doesn't want to be in S1, unlike scarlet wanting to be in S1 and combo with Jackal.

[upper grove]

I appreciate you taking your time for the thorough response

I'll upgrade scarlet 1st then followed by blanc then I'll see. I can upgrade jackal biscuit and noise afterwards. My current dps units are all upgraded otherwise (Alice, Cindy) and laplace with treasure because I have no red hood (campaign pushing)

[rich quail]

You’re welcome

I would probably add Centi to Step 2 for extra burst gen and her being at least sturdy enough to last a decent amount of time. Anis is weaker because she is only an SR unit, but you still want to build her OL because her burst gen is comparable to Jackal’s.

Also, from what I have experienced, dedicated burst gen RL units like Centi seemed to have lower CP. You definitely need the CP to even use the unit consistently, or you’ll have that sinking feeling when you fight someone who is much higher in CP, and you can’t use your burst gen units because of low CP.

Jackal, Emilia and Noah are of course, great burst gen units who can also attack or buff. That should at least cover the bases for 2 of 3 SP Arena teams who have burst gen.

[upper grove]

sounds good, thanks again! I try to upgrade characters which I can use on pve as well. I'm currently running a moran & biscuit team as well, I guess I'll go with the PVP mainstays and burst generators first.
As I'm currently out of defender pilgrim gear (Cindy got all of them): I assume I should focus on crown first before noah as I can push for more resources that way, right? I wanted to use the gear for Noah but then I pulled crown to replace my Tia for campaign

[rich quail]

Crown will help, but she may be an issue sometimes against Jackal (due to feed) and Scarlet (triggering her s2 which is deadly)

[swift mango]

Focus on your Campaign first, always

Crown can be CP padding and strong off burst buffer in Arena. But MG is terrible weapon.

[upper grove]

Will do! In general, if I cannot CP gap the others by 15% (I'm 2nd, 1st has 655k ), then should I still go for the CP pad team or rather use good PVP teams?

My current teams are:
T1 Noise Alice Bay Centi Tia (Tia in P1 or P5? Idk if her B1 delay is worth the buff)
T2 Scarlet Blanc Anis Rumani Jackal (lowest team by far at 130k; rest is 175-185k)
T3 Noah Moran Biscuit Cindy Laplace treasure

I can post my box if needed

[rich quail]

Which one is the cp gap team?

[upper grove]

none really, Alice and Tia are like more than 50% of T1 stats

T2 has no big invested units, which is why I was asking about upgrading her next

[rich quail]

I’m not good at team building, but post your box

It’ll help us figure out which teams can be made

[swift mango]

T1 is kinda fine.

T2 can reach 2 RL defending on feed but Scarlet could just die.

T3 is slow, 4RL.

I would switch Laplace and Anis.

[swift mango]

Please just help him make his team then, I only comment on his current team.

[upper grove]

Alright!
T1 Noise P1 and Tia P5 is fine as is?
If I switch Laplace and Anis, which positions should they get? I assume Anis in T3 is P4 then Cindy goes P5? and Laplace will go to P3 T2?

[rich quail]

I know Noise helps Cindy because of HP up

But the issue is burst gen

T2 I think is ok for now because Scarlet should be linked to Jackal (check by going to shooting range, access pause menu and see if Jackal’s skills are on Scarlet)

[upper grove]

Yeah currently Scarlet and Blanc are linked to Jackal afaik

[swift mango]

Lap - p3

Anis - P2 Moran p5
or Anis p5.

This team can burst next summer. Unless you feed them with SG.

Noah+Scarlet+RH+Biscuit+Centi

Could wipe them out.

[rich quail]

Ein would be a great unit to invest in for pvp and pve, btw. A person here by the name of Crow/Rosy could help you with suggestions, but Ein is a high investment character

@upper grove Use Alice for now but she is not the ideal pvp unit because of low burst gen and single target burst attack

[swift mango]

If you have lv7 quantum cube you could go
Noah+Anis+RH+Biscuit+Centi

And win easier if CP isn't gapped. Put Quantum on Noah+Centi+Anis

[upper grove]

thanks, I appreciate your time

and Blood's as well ofc

[rich quail]

@upper grove

T1: Poli/Alice/Laplace/Centi/Liter
T2: Scarlet/Blanc/Rumani/Anis/Jackal
T3: Noah/Biscuit/Noise/Cindy/Noir

You can try that.

Like I said, I’m not a team builder for others

[bleak latch]

can i join ur pvp server?

can't beat 2nd/1st due to level too different and core

[upper grove]

I'll check the stats later on, thanks for the recommendation

[swift mango]

Ugh, actually T1 is also slow, at 4rl. Could move up Laplace to Alice and and move Alice down.

That would give. You 3x3RL teams.

[upper grove]

I just started during EVA collab and seeing those stats makes me uncomfortable at least I don't have to deal with emilia I guess

[swift mango]

Reroll another account dude.

[bleak latch]

https://tenor.com/view/no-donkeys-shrek-gif-16041065

[rich quail]

A blessing and a curse

Emilia is fun to use in pvp, though

[upper grove]

I can imagine

[bleak latch]

yep her nuke just too good to not used

look like her nuke missed the shot but still managed to win

[upper grove]

Leave T2 as is and just swap as you suggested? T3 would be the cp gap team then I guess with Alice and Cindy

[upper grove]

Damn

[swift mango]

I mean you could do that but it's up to you.

[swift mango]

Then you maybe could join him in fighting the lv800 whales if Champion Arena became a thing and have whole serve fighting each other like Solo Raid.

[upper grove]

Will be afk for a while, I'll cook something with your recommendations later on. Thanks again everyone

[bleak latch]

[swift mango]

People here think they could beat the whale if level synched to 400. But Solo raid already made it clear that whale would just spend money and reroll CS to black on all their PvP Nikke. Cope with Core +7 all units and beat you all the same.

[visual brook]

Good evening everyone, fellow workers.

[visual brook]

Cinderella is a sufficiently independent attacker to do without supports that increase her characteristics.

[umbral crown]

We good since not everyone invest in pvp units thats our advantage

[swift mango]

That's only because current arena the lv800 whales can just beat you with Blue Nikke so they don't need to invest much. You could maybe have the win in the first months.

[umbral crown]

But tjere probably only 1 whale lv800+

And might be probably witj your bracket

[swift mango]

But multiple at 700+ and thousand at 600+

[umbral crown]

Or people around same account creation

[swift mango]

You not sure how many at 800 either.

[umbral crown]

I just have seen one

The rest are 750+

[swift mango]

If same account creation day is used then there won't be level synched.

No need to use both is there?

[umbral crown]

There would be , thats mpstly how they work

Like shuffle

[swift mango]

Or solo raid could be like that too and not that hopeless fo new player.

Shift up need to make money guys, they want whale to spend. Not a charity.

[umbral crown]

Nobody said its a charity

But remember just few people have pvp units invested since mayority goes pve

Also many have no idea how to make teams that work or how to counter

[swift mango]

It's because whale doesn't need to invest in arena because SP Arena they would just dominance with level gap.

[umbral crown]

Some do but thats not always the case

[swift mango]

If CA behave differently they would just spend few months to invest and you would lose all the same.

[umbral crown]

I dominating with 29 levels less than the highest in my bracket and he has more cp than me

[swift mango]

29 level less is like nothing.

[umbral crown]

It is

[swift mango]

Try 80 less and above.

That's when you can't do anything about.

[umbral crown]

Can not try 80 if do not have any to test

Not gonna happen with me

To be 80 level gap they whale hard or you quit for a while

But if theres 80 gap then just skip the person

[swift mango]

Every 20 give 5% power more. 80 mean 20% more. With 20% power gap they could just beat you with their Solo raid team normal attack.

[umbral crown]

[visual brook]

From my observations, players are selected with a difference of +-3 months after creating an account, but this is not certain...

[swift mango]

Which is probably mena 30%+ power gap anyway.

As they invested much more into their PvE team power thanks to being... Well, whale.

[umbral crown]

Since CA could be level gap everything is down to investment

Thats the key to win

No need to think hard in deficit and stuff like that

[visual brook]

I lose because Scarlet is upset with me and doesn't want me to get it

https://tenor.com/view/rat-cry-mouse-cutie-gif-8391713226319350655

[umbral crown]

[visual brook]

How many years will it take to get all the pilgrims?

[quick lake]

Took me 2

[swift mango]

Whale always win in pvp in freemium game. The only way to win is not to fight them. There is no way around it.

[umbral crown]

here you can win if smart enough building your units

[visual brook]

Wrong thinking. You don't have to beat him to beat him.

[swift mango]

You are winning because you are not fighting any whale there.

29 level gap is no whale comparing to you.

[umbral crown]

im winning because they do not invest in pvp

[umbral crown]

[glad meteor]

When can I grow up and be like them

[umbral crown]

im f2p and the whale with 29 levels is not

[lone sequoia]

for rookie/sp? the game fill the brackets with active people depending in the sub-server range +/-10, this is how it was, now with less people playing the game the range is wider so you can have +100 or more sub-server difference for the people in the bracket

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

My little whale in arena is already at 35 level gap when they only 330.

Real whale would be 60+ gap at least at 400+

Unless you' re a small whale yourselves

[umbral crown]

and what would you call the people who are new and whale hard but are not gapping anyone yet

[quick lake]

sad whales

[lone sequoia]

you can make them spend more or when they change their schedule, that is a win for everyone that play pvp, just don't start a ego battle

[swift mango]

Dolphin

[umbral crown]

[visual brook]

Unnamed

[umbral crown]

whale aspirants

[swift mango]

Or small whale. Like I call them.

[umbral crown]

still a whale

[swift mango]

But let's just talking about real whale or BLUE Whale/leviathan.

They are the dominance one in pvp.

[visual brook]

Are people called sharks if they invested but not enough???

[swift mango]

Not your typical 10000$ a month little whale.

Normal whale. Or just whale. Whichever you call it.

You could beat dolphin at F2P defending on circumstances but no way to beat Blue whale. Even common 10000$ whale already strong enough.

[umbral crown]

if you do not aim to be competitive in pvp you will not face them, not like your bracket will be full of them against you only

[visual brook]

I am now conducting an experiment that will determine in what period of time it is most effective to attack opponents in order to remain inviolable for a long time.

[swift mango]

I remember

Sardine-Dolphin for spender.

Maybe shark?-Dolphin-whale for bigger spender but not enough.

Whale-Blue whale for whaling hard enough.

Blue Whale-Karen-Leviathan for the top spender ones.

Defending on game.

And how valuable is the pack in game.

Had seen one or 2-3 guys spent like 1 million dollar in their 3-6 months of Rise of kingdom when I played. So my conception of leviathan can be screwed.

[visual brook]

When did we manage to move away from the account economy and come to the influence of mammals in the world's aquarium?

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

I feel bad talking out of my ass. But I just checked the game store and whale extra income in module block only max out at like 2000$ a month at best. So sardine/dolphin in this game if played long enough could catch up with blue whale thanks that.

So long as the dev don't change meta often and the whale could invest in new Meta nikke much faster than lower spender/F2P. Or pull out new Module block packages for whale to buy.

But with current situation whale would be hard pressed in CA if level synched and the dev would need to sell more module block or even harmony cube for cash. Since that would make whale split their investment. < I guess this is the real reason CA was delayed. They are figuring out how to balance it so the whale could win but not too P2P a system.

I mean they are pumping out new powercreep after powercreep in Solo raid so Whale could get an advantage of instant 10-10-10 and max OL, doll, core here.

But if they need to split their focus to Arena with synched level dev will need to powercreep Arena constantly with new units as well and pumping out new Rock package. Guess they are not preparing for that, to be called a heavy p2w cash grab game.

[crimson harbor]

Need 3 pvp team: builded alice,scarbs, mod, rh, crown,litter,centi,cindy

[tawny vine]

still have no idea what team they have

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

You could go

Maiden+RH+Jackal

Blanc+SBS+Rapunzel

Defender + Biscuit + Cindy.

[umbral crown]

auto and hope for the best

[swift mango]

I mean he is at rank 1 and couldn't see their team. Maybe he is whale and no one want to attack him normally.

[hallow trench]

guys you can help me for special arena teams pls ? 😄

this are enemy teams

[swift mango]

You could use Noah to catch Scarlet or Cindy

And Blanc+SBS to beat their Bay+SBS.

3rL Cindy p5 should also beat Bay+SBS just fine.

[hallow trench]

u know the team positions ? i am so bad making teams for pvp 😦

[swift mango]

Noah+Noise+Pepper+Cindy+Drake to beat SBS

Alice+SBS+Blanc+Rumani+Centi to beat Cindy or Scarlet.

If drake died too easily and can't make 3 RL then put Neon in p4 and Cindy p5.

[coarse lake]

putting my discord tag in my ingame profile again, if any of my bracket mates are reading this after searching up my messages, contact me we can experiment with some fun things in pvp

[hallow trench]

ty very much @swift mango

[swift mango]

You could go for Cindy rather than Scarlet to be sure Blanc doesn't hit wrong target though.

But Cindy would be tankier.

So defending on your investment

[bleak latch]

try noah +biscuit+emilia+RH+jackal

noah taunt + biscuit immortality made SBS deal 0 damage

[swift mango]

He doesn't have most of them.

[bleak latch]

i've experience it my self

[swift mango]

And that's too many investment that a simple Moran+Blanc could beat.

If not for them 2 SG.

I would need to fight him one to be sure who Blanc would target. Look at image worth nothing. If only dude has Jackal.

[mild solstice]

Hey guys, i'm in need of an upgrade for my sp defense since in doing very bad in the last weeks and seems everyone can win my teams now. Here's my nikke pool and actual def teams. I can upgrade nikkes i'm not using atm if necessary. Ty in advance

[keen vapor]

Yeah, current defense bad

Time to work

[keen vapor]

How invested is your Rosanna ?

[swift mango]

Team 1, swap Naga and crown.

Team 2: Swap Biscuit and Centi. Put S.Anis there instead of Maid Privaty. Swap out Rapunzel and add pepper.

Team 3: Noise+CindyRapunzel+Anis+Noir

[keen vapor]

Big nuke

.... OH I CAN USE CINDY ON MY THIRD TEAM INSTEAD OF ALICE

If only I had one

[mild solstice]

chic ocean? Skills at 4 and gear not upgraded atm

[swift mango]

Lol

[keen vapor]

Normal

Not summer one

[mild solstice]

Not invested at all

[swift mango]

I already edited your 3 team to 3rl and deal more damage. Use it.

[keen vapor]

Invest her and kill every Scarlet team

You already have her at MLB so that's 6% attack time to get 46%

[swift mango]

Not if they res with Anne.

[keen vapor]

We're one month away from that

[mild solstice]

team 3 is missing one? or i'm blind

[spiral onyx]

Cinderella is probably gonna be most people's team 3 DPS, after Scarlet and SAnis

Unless you know da wae and built Ein

[swift mango]

CindyRapunzel are 2 nikke

[mild solstice]

this team then?

[swift mango]

You could actually put Rapunzel at p2 if you know for sure enemy team won't be able to kill both Noise and Rapunzel with normal attack.

[swift mango]

Show me how those 3 team CP became

Could swap Centi and Anis to increase t3 a bit

Don't even think of using Liter/Noir with S.Anis though. Read their skill before trying to refuse.

S.Anis with Resilience. She needs to occupy one slot of that cube permanently.

If you care about your defense team in arena.

[grizzled bone]

https://tenor.com/view/if-i-had-one-angry-yelling-fairly-odd-parents-mr-turner-gif-16322274

[swift mango]

Guess I will have a MLB Cindy soon

[mild solstice]

There you go

[swift mango]

Yep swap Centi down if you want to increase t3 CP.

[keen vapor]

Keripo, what do you think on Moran/Folkwang teams

[swift mango]

And if you put Rapunzel to p2 then Cindy can go to p4.

[swift mango]

Actually you could go for

Noise+Centi/rapunzel+Rapunzel/Centi+Cindy+Noir.

Anis will go to centi place in t2.

And reroll away all Max ammo lines on S.Anis if you didn't.

[mild solstice]

She didn't have any, got atk and so

[swift mango]

Not sure if you knew since you used her with Noir.

Good

[mild solstice]

So the teams are like this

[swift mango]

Wow Centi has that much power...

Look even out to me

[mild solstice]

She's a little invested

[mild solstice]

I'll try to invest on some of them to up CP since rapunzel/pepper for example are not that invested. Ty for the teams and tips

[swift mango]

You could actually replace Naga with Tia to increase your T1 CP a bit more.

And less feed

To enemy's jackal

[fiery jasper]

Hi guys, ¿What team can counter this? Don't worry about my chars, I can use any

[swift mango]

Common Blanc+Emilia+RH should suffice.

[keen vapor]

You sure?

[swift mango]

If Emilia isn't ded to normal attack yes.

[keen vapor]

Nah, she'd win

[fiery jasper]

I'll try it, thanks, ¿What other chars can I use apart from the two mentioned?

[swift mango]

Biscuit+Clip RL

That's the standard Emilia team.

The 3rl Noah killer.

[keen vapor]

Rumani

I wonder if Emi21 is good idea

[swift mango]

Any Noah team with 3RL will die to it unless they could kill Emilia with normal attack.

[swift mango]

No difference

[keen vapor]

How

[swift mango]

Both will result at 3rl

And she will still fire after Noah expired

[keen vapor]

If only I had rocks

[swift mango]

Well, be careful when facing S.Anis team though. Emilia could very well be killed with Normal attack at 5th sg.... In that case you may want to put her to p3.

Oh well

[fiery jasper]

Well, It wasn't enough, I think I have to improve more Emilia

[swift mango]

Emilia s3 need lv7 at least tk nuke whole team

[keen vapor]

I knew it Cindy too hard to kill

[fiery jasper]

Yeah, she is

[keen vapor]

Attack lines?

[whole shell]

maybe more buffers needed

[keen vapor]

She already got the 2 best ones

[whole shell]

overkill with crown

[fiery jasper]

do you mean OL stats?

[keen vapor]

Yes

[swift mango]

More like CP issues to me.

[whole shell]

Blanc/Emi/RH/Crown/Jackal

[swift mango]

It could work if Blanc isn't ded.

[fiery jasper]

Well that could be a problem too, she just has charge damage and speed (that was the first thing that came out when I improved it)

[keen vapor]

[whole shell]

hm

[fiery jasper]

Anyway, I'll change those stats later, thank you

[swift mango]

If Blanc s3 at max. RH s3;max, max doll. Emi s2+3 maxed and couldn't kill it. Then we have a real problem.

[fiery jasper]

Emilia's s3 is at 7

[strange linden]

Need 3 new DEF comps for SP arena, my bracket is quite sweaty lately
I have every meta unit I think except laplace treasure

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Just a thought. Would Emilia 2hits triggers biscuit on the first hit?

Since her s2 trigger another hit. If her first Ulti isn't enough to wipe a defender won't it trigger Biscuit and tank the 2nd even if biscuit ded? Or Biscuit dies and it won't trigger?

[umbral crown]

[glad meteor]

Going to overtake me in combat power

[umbral crown]

just 64k more cp

[keen vapor]

I'm trying

[umbral crown]

try hardr

[valid fern]

which cube for Noah? Tempering?

[keen vapor]

Yes

[upper grove]

I put in the team and went from 4 RL 2.5 RL and 4 RL to 4 RL 2.5 RL and 3 RL while padding the T1 by roughly 10% and losing 10% on T3.
Should I change Poli to Bay and Liter for Moran? Then I'd only gain 5% instead of 10% CP and with Bay I can go down to 3 RL instead of 4. Or is the Liter boost needed for Alice burst?

[swift mango]

4 RL would lose easily unless you could CP press them.

SP defense team is only as good as your worse 2 team.

[spiral onyx]

Unless you build a full stall team with attack OL line Moran (mine has this for the lolz), she ain't gonna be killing anyone lol. So there's is no such thing as a "Moran team". Folkwang does even less damage

Teams are defined by their winning condition

[upper grove]

Okay, so I'll go for 3 RL 2.5 RL and 3 RL. Should I go for Liter as B1 in T1 or Moran? its about 5% less CP with Moran and the B3 is Alice

[spiral onyx]

But in terms of supporting a team, Moran is top tier, Folkwang is copium at best

[swift mango]

Moran keeps your team survive until burst if put at p1. If you have no problem surviving then use Liter, assuming they both keep team at 3rl.

I don't see Moran save your team against wipe at your level so don't need to worry about it.

[spiral onyx]

I've not seen anyone build a clean Ein team here (granted I also don't really keep up with chat) and I don't plan on sharing mine till after CA

[umbral crown]

i kinda did but not double buff

[upper grove]

Yes both are 3 RL and Bay would support as B2, idk if I have survival issues with liter tbh. It's my highest DEF team regardless of my pick

[umbral crown]

mine is relaying on blanc being able to burst on time

m RH less

[swift mango]

With bay then Moran is better

[upper grove]

thanks, appreciate your help again

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

isn't Ein essentially a weaker Cindy at this point, the feathers will take longer than cindy multiple hit and thus easier to taunt/sustain against?

The downside of cindy is that she does 0 gen burst contribution and can't use her in p1 and p5 atm, compared to ein that at least isn't 0 gen burst

[swift mango]

You would have zero problem putting her at p5. She can tank all SG shot even to help team survive those.

[tropic summit]

cindy or ein in p5?

[swift mango]

Cindy

[tropic summit]

oh alright

SGs don't skip her at p5?

[swift mango]

Nope

They just hit her decoy so do no dmg to her

[tropic summit]

awesome arena bugs mechanics

[swift mango]

Nah it's just how her decoy work.

[tropic summit]

so that's intended at least

[swift mango]

Putting her at p1 is bad because enemies RL could take advantage of that and hit 7 instead of 4 and p2 could make RL hit 5 instead of 4. So I would stay away from p1 for defense team. And only use P2 if really needed.

Giving their RL 1.25 times would often result in nothing anyway.

[tropic summit]

yeah i'm hitting 1.5RL when enemy cindy is in p1, it's the only time where it feels like i've an emilia

[swift mango]

Ein is more like S.anis then Cindy.

She deal contained damage during her burst. And even if she isn't the one bursting she could also deal damage more dmg during burst with 4 wings.

Her burst can't be entirely blocked by Noah like Cindy and Scarlet. Thanks to the wings.

[spiral onyx]

Ein continues dealing damage beyond the initial burst. Cindy does not. Cindy gets stopped by Noah. Ein, SAnis and Scarlet do not.

Cindy is a single angle attacker. Scarlet and Ein have two attack angles: burst and continuous. SAnis is only continuous.

SSakura is also a burst + continuous attacker but her continuous damage kinda sucks lol

Emilia is also technically both a burst and continuous attacker, but her burst has such a long delay that the continuous part won't mean anything unless you're fighting a stall team that survives through the burst

The advantage of Cindy over Ein is that you can run 0 buffs with Cindy and free up your B1 and B2 for support purposes, whereas for Ein, you need double buffs

[swift mango]

Scarlet "continuous damage" happen mostly thanks to Blanc. Without Blanc they died super fast after bursting. So more about the Blanc deal rather lol.

[swift mango]

I don't believe Ein one shooting any team even with 2 buff. She is more like S.Anis killing over time.

Not really right to comparing them that way.

[grizzled bone]

[spiral onyx]

@swift mango I did the math before. She can 1 shot, but just barely.

You can scroll down more for the math for her continual damage

I've also tested with my own account and confirmed she can just barely 1 shot. This is with C7 and ATK lines though, just like with my Maiden and XPrivaty

But with dolls and Tempering cube, the requirements for 1 shot becomes much higher if both sides are fully invested

Even Cindy needs a minor buff to guarantee a kill against a team running Noise

[swift mango]

Why did you put in "full burst bonus" only for Ein?

[spiral onyx]

Because of her delayed timing, her burst snapshots with the 1.5x full burst bonus

Very few units do this

I half think it's a bug on the dev's side

There's another unit that also does this I think, might be BSoda, can't remember

[glad meteor]

Yeah, she also get’s when entering full burst bonuses

[spiral onyx]

It's a double edged sword. On one side you get a 1.5x bonus. On the other side you lose sudden death situations

[swift mango]

That's some weird thing that dev never listed out I guess.

[spiral onyx]

There's a lot of weird things that the devs never listed out nor acknowledged

The PvP ones are just less known cause there's very few of us who do this kind of testing

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

In any case I never gotten one shot by opposite's Ein before so I will keep this in mind until I do.

[umbral crown]

Im pretty sure thats not an invested Ein

Do you remember whole enemy team?

[swift mango]

Something like Blanc+Ein+S.Anis? I guess. Not sure. Very few peep use her in arena. And I need to hit them and lose too.

[spiral onyx]

"It never happened to me, therefore it's not possible" is the fastest way to setting yourself up for failure

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

I mean I will keep it in mind so I won't be surprised by that lol.

[spiral onyx]

And yes very few people use her because team building with her or any 2 buffer DPS is hard

Scarlet and SAnis are 1 buffer units

Cindy is a 0 buffer unit

But then Champion Arena will come and people will realize they need to build 5 teams but only have 1 Scarlet, 1 SAnis, 1 Cindy, 1 Noah, 1 Jackal, etc

Then suddenly all the "not top tier" units start looking more interesting

[glad meteor]

only 1 biscuit

[spiral onyx]

I can bet you there's less than 10 people on all of Nikke who have a fully built XMica

[swift mango]

Guess your "buffer count" only against attacker? Not defender with tempering cube, innate damage reduction and SR doll?

[worthy jasper]

Is this a good attacking team for general use?

[spiral onyx]

Yes, this is all excluding dolls and Tempering cube

You can do the math with those two included. Pretty much the result will say "you need +1 buffer" for everyone, including Cinderella

For reference

Note that "cleanly 1 shot" here is defined as "enemy team is all at 100% HP with Noise buff"

Not all enemy teams run Noise and not all enemy units are topped up to 100% at time of burst, which is why it's still possible to 1 shot nuke with less damage as long as there's enough extra damage leading up to the nuke or immediately after

[swift mango]

Thanks for the info.

[grizzled bone]

https://tenor.com/view/shifty-cigarette-goddess-of-victory-smoke-nikke-gif-6870344333410578285

[spiral onyx]

For reference, this is my XMica

[swift mango]

You aren't belong to those 10 people I see.

Okay I just found another lv800 whale here. Seriously I didn't know.

Now I know a top CA contender when it rolls around. Will be rooting for you getting rank #1 if it had a global ranking list.

[rich quail]

Hopefully other people were able to help you today. I am still learning how to make teams for myself, so I have a terrible time building teams for others.

I wasn’t 100% that Moran was the best play for one of your def teams (I have the same issue putting Moran in my own team), but I tried to think it through as best as possible. 🙇🏻‍♂️

[grizzled bone]

you should have the knowledge by now i think

[spiral onyx]

CA is probably gonna be level synced so my level won't matter opponents won't be able to use that as an excuse to losing to me

[swift mango]

Keripo is 5th biggest whale in Nikke according to this site.

[glad meteor]

Trony

@rich quail

See the power

[swift mango]

The site only include 5000 players though so not really all player in the game.

Nvm

[crystal flicker]

That XMica is my whole PvP alt power

[spiral onyx]

It includes all the players that have been indexed due to being in the top 100 guilds or ranking in the top 100 of Solo Raid

So it's pretty accurate.

Only thing is, not everyone pops their boxes at the same time. I only opened mine yesterday

And we've pretty much all hit the level cap

[swift mango]

There could be some who only play PvE and never join a guild or stay in a small guild though. Those guys exist in all games.

But thanks for telling us how that site works.

[crystal flicker]

At least those guys will still touch the SR tho

[upper grove]

Don't worry, I still appreciate the effort! Yeah I got some good pointers by Blood so I think I'm fine for now, my bracket is not super hard anyway once I have some half invested units

[rich quail]

of course PvE units first
And hope you get some good dps pilgrims soon

game changers

Godspeed

[tender valve]

Otw Player in CHAMPIONS ARENA LIST @spiral onyx

[keen vapor]

I love her

[umbral crown]

do you

🎈

[keen vapor]

I really do

[umbral crown]

go get her this winter

you have enough gems for it

[keen vapor]

I will

[umbral crown]

like 200k at this point?

[keen vapor]

Close

[umbral crown]

waos

do not miss X.Anne

[keen vapor]

What no-Sora No Otoshimono collab does to me

[umbral crown]

but then you can not C7

[keen vapor]

I'm already doomed cuz I'll need to mileage current Pilgrims

[umbral crown]

you have 2000 tix?

[keen vapor]

No, less

[umbral crown]

C7 cindy then

[keen vapor]

I hoard gems after all

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

323 gold tix
45 adv vouchers
12k gems

Ready for XMica and XAnne pity party

[keen vapor]

No I don't trust 1% :nope nope:

[rich quail]

[umbral crown]

mlb ?

[keen vapor]

I'll pull

[keen vapor]

I'm saving for RH rerun or something, idk

[rich quail]

Pull… a muscle?

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

[umbral crown]

but you got cindy?

[keen vapor]

No

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

Bruh

[umbral crown]

what you waiting for?

[tropic summit]

bruh how you didn't get cindy

[rich quail]

This is the time when you use gems

[brittle hill]

I see, I see . Are you using tempering cube because we're techincally out of slots?

[rich quail]

Not Nikke 2

[umbral crown]

its nikke 2.5

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

But I need the vouchers for the next month

[rich quail]

We can’t help him anymore… he’s too far gone

[umbral crown]

bricked

🧱

[keen vapor]

🧱

[rich quail]

He mind-switched

himself

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

now echo saving for 2.5 nikke

[keen vapor]

As a SWless and Doroless being, I need to pity

[umbral crown]

and i have the 2 of them

[keen vapor]

How many pulls

[umbral crown]

do not remember, i got doro and sw like 1 or 2 months ago

was in ordinary banner i think even tho cindy banner gave me some pilgrims

[glad meteor]

How many pulls you got for xmas

[umbral crown]

0

[keen vapor]

How many for them

[tropic summit]

what's xmica good for again btw?

[glad meteor]

B1 buffer with good gen

[umbral crown]

like 4 besides cindy

[keen vapor]

Blanc alternativa

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

What

[glad meteor]

Xmica
Xanne
Xrupee
Xlud
X new unit?

[tropic summit]

getting new nikke is fine and all, but then you're reminded you actually got to build them and throw rocks at them, then depression hits all over again

[umbral crown]

X Crow

[glad meteor]

Cooked

[umbral crown]

[glad meteor]

Stare

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

XRedhood, she's not strong enough should buff her

[glad meteor]

Fodder

[glad meteor]

Bullied by nitro user

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

thats echo

[keen vapor]

|| ||

[tropic summit]

real spoiler right there

[umbral crown]

[grizzled bone]

[keen vapor]

Nitro users flexing on us

[tropic summit]

cindy needs more burst gen oriented lineups thus having far more restrictive lineups
scarlet offers better variety with lineups due to average burst gen, is still a direct counter to SMG, SGs, rifles etc, while having a single hit burst (can be countered by Bay)

the choice is situational on atk, as for def you want to hit that 3RL average on all ur teams

although sustain oriented lineups can work too, again depend on who you facing though

[whole shell]

Atk depends on who you're fighting

[tropic summit]

defense in my bracket for example has become nearly meaningless, everyone got each others counters built up, you could be ch2 for a few hours to end up ch8 later, then climb back to ch2 because you can defeat anyone above you

best you can do is rotate teams and mix up things to try and confuse or force others making mistakes/wrong assumptions, but that's it

[high zephyr]

@gilded bronze uh oh. someones loosing their touch

[clear trail]

so like that?>

[gilded bronze]

Me? Never!!

[graceful grotto]

No

[coarse lake]

[graceful grotto]

Noah Centi Cinderella Noir Jackal

Moran Biscuit S.Anis Anis B.Soda

Noise Blanc Rapunzel Red Hood Laplace

@clear trail

[graceful grotto]

Nice

Give me link please senpai

Wanna see my stats

[coarse lake]

https://nikke-en.com/events/onSatellite

[clear trail]

He didn’t mention Moran tho?

Or I missed it?

[graceful grotto]

I lost

[vapid lake]

[graceful grotto]

Idk who mention who, I just compile based on your roaster

[graceful grotto]

Smurf not count

[vapid lake]

I only have 1 account how can it be a smurf

[coarse lake]

if you're a cp diffing whale your atk win rate gets real high

never get removed from top 1 in SP, so technically 100% win rate there, win against everyone in rookie too

I've seen a 98%

[vapid lake]

I didn't really study how pvp work until like 3 months into my playtime

Idk how i got 90%

[proud egret]

poop

[raven plover]

whats the timeframe they calculate it

someone who starts after me has 5k battles

[vapid lake]

maybe it count defense too? that guy get attacked 100 times a day and u dont

[raven plover]

[covert lintel]

i'm noob