pvp-arena

[grizzled bone]

if it aint broke...

[leaden canyon]

it is broke

doesn't work anymore

[chilly furnace]

Between ur sbs team and mine comp was similar but i use blanc and noir instead noah..
Depend on enemy comp ngl.. i feel like using drake instead alice there would make it a bit faster

[noble grotto]

thoughts?

[molten topaz]

haven't changed my pvp comps for a good while, currently using - harran liter jackal poli drake - privaty rapunzel noir viper sugar - bay anis RH vesti noise. what changes should i make?

[grizzled bone]

standard:

• scarlet-sbs/flex-rosanna-xanne-jackal
• blanc-emi-rh-biscuit-centi
• noah-noise-sanis-rapunzel-flex
  let's get weird:
• noise-rapunzel-sanis-biscuit-flex
• scarlet-blanc/mari-rh-flex/xanne-jackal
• emi-sbs-rosanna-noah-flex

[grizzled bone]

not sure if Alice is needed here:

• poor off burst damage
• your main DPS dont benefit from her S1

[noble grotto]

who should I replace her for?

[grizzled bone]

post your box please

[grizzled bone]

is your viper treasured? if so, what phase?

[noble grotto]

here

[molten topaz]

is that with the commander doll thing? she doesnt have one atm

[rustic sandal]

can I get some cooking for my SP teams?

[grizzled bone]

as far as standard attack teams go,

scarlet-blanc-liter-biscuit-jackal
might be your best. If that's what you're asking for.

We don't usually make attack team suggestions just based off your roster because your attacks should be tailored to your opponents defense

[rustic sandal]

speaking of attack do you normally change your teams every time you attack based on their defense at the time/also is there a general guide for what teams you should match up against what when attacking

[grizzled bone]

yes, doll then favourite item. I'll keep that in mind

[noble grotto]

so I have to change team every time I wanna atk?

[grizzled bone]

yes, your attack teams should be tailored to your opponents defense. It gives you a better chance of succeeding compared to just always using cookie cutter teams.

For attack, you can make 2 attack teams and you can skip 1 enemy team by putting 1 unit on P5. You can view the links here for counters in Rookie and Special Arena (SP) (other useful stuff at pins):

Prydwen:

• Meta units - https://tinyurl.com/4ffcu6sx
• Special Arena (SP) - https://tinyurl.com/ycxnsjrv

nikke.gg:

• Rookie Arena - https://tinyurl.com/43u6a2z4
• Special Arena (SP) - https://tinyurl.com/2p8222fy

Keripo's Video and Matrix:

• Countering the Meta - https://tinyurl.com/eydrpwh7
• Keripo's PvP Matrix - http://tinyurl.com/keripo-nikke-pvp-test-matrix

From 瑟瑟出品's Youtube Channel:

• Rookie Arena Videos (CN) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm7TApldE9QBb5aaQizIrIX0PMmTOZFJo
• Special Arena (SP) Videos (CN) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm7TApldE9QBCIBJXz6gxKHcf54BEuT3Z
• Special Arena (SP) Videos (English) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm7TApldE9QAqccQN3wgMufgcxWC1D26f

generally speaking it's about learning about your

• units' skills and burst
• speed (burst-gen)
• investment (skills/cubes/gear)

[grizzled bone]

depends on the team you're fighting

[rustic sandal]

appreciate it

[rustic sandal]

also no rush whenever you got a chance even if its tomorrow or somethin I don't mind waitin @grizzled bone

[leaden canyon]

thanks, I'll try standard out first and report back on reset

[grizzled bone]

here's my suggestion for spa def:

scarlet-bsoda-rapunzel-noir-jackal
bay-noise-sanis-viper-centi
poli-privaty-rh-sugar-drake

[grizzled bone]

i'll help tonight, just cooking

[rustic sandal]

[grizzled bone]

is this sorted by power?

[rustic sandal]

ye

[grizzled bone]

your privaty is strong

[rustic sandal]

LMAO

ye she's part of my main campaign team

[grizzled bone]

what's your rosanna investment?

[rustic sandal]

111

[grizzled bone]

darn

[rustic sandal]

got books though

most pvp meta units of mine aren't invested tbh

[grizzled bone]

no worries. I only suggest investing in Rosanna if you're really into pvp. She can be somewhat expensive

[molten topaz]

thanks :)

[rustic sandal]

how expensive we talkin

I'm hardstuck D3-D1 atm

[grizzled bone]

4/4/4 -> 4/7/7 for skills. She's useful for breaking Jackal link and possibly sniping 1-2 units. I won't get into OL gear and such at the moment

[rustic sandal]

heard heard

I can at least invest any pvp units you suggest to 444 though

I've got 69 30D upgrade supply chests along with just the skill books I have rn

[grizzled bone]

spa def:
t1 scarlet-blanc-liter-laplace-jackal
t2 moran-sanis-biscuit-pepper(/rapunzel)-centi(/flex)
t3 noah-noise-sbs/(#privaty)-rapunzel(/#pepper)-noir(/flex)

hashtag symbol to indicate who I think you should you pair together e.g. t3 if privaty > pepper > flex

disclaimer: not sure about these teams because not sure about your investments. e.g. Rosanna being 2nd row with 1/1/1 skills

[rustic sandal]

HAHA understandable disclaimer

if anyone isn't 444 should I just make them 444

[grizzled bone]

hmm

[rustic sandal]

and slightly confused on your #

on wym by that

[grizzled bone]

yeah sorry, discord makes it weird to format.

if you choose to use privaty instead of sbs for example for t3, I think you should use pepper instead of rapunzel in this instance. Less bullets and higher reload means proc-ing skills more often

[rustic sandal]

ahhhh gotchu gotchu

so I'm only using priv if I opt for pepper on T3

rather than T2

[grizzled bone]

correct

but grande scheme of pvp, most battles don't last all that long

[rustic sandal]

right

its typically you get a burst in or dont

[grizzled bone]

notes:

• I think you should put Anis in your synchro, she has meta burst-gen
• Jackal, Noah, Anis, Centi can be left at 4/4/4
• Moran, Noise, Rapu, Biscuit should start at 4/4/4

[rustic sandal]

heard I can move anyone into synchro if that changes the teams at all

[grizzled bone]

• Anis is the only one I really suggest moving into synchro because of her burst gen. You can see from the attached screenshot that she's top-tier, on par with Jackal.

• If I had to choose more from your roster, Poli and Drake can be good flex units.

• Nero and Quiry are are for die-hard pvp people, they're part of a meme-stall team

however, at your progression I really recommend not bricking your PvE units. PvE is the lifeblood of doing anything in PvP

[rustic sandal]

valid

so just anis, which team/who would you replace her with then

[grizzled bone]

any of the flex positions. Anis is only good as a battery (burst gen go brrr) and her kit isn't really worthy of note.

[rustic sandal]

okay so noir or centi replacement

based on that chart looks like noir

[grizzled bone]

more likely Noir, yeah

[rustic sandal]

aight

[grizzled bone]

also, dont pair SAnis with units that increase ammo count (Noir, Sugar). Their skills will brick her

[rustic sandal]

ye makes sense

I've used her a bit in PVE

[rustic sandal]

you wouldn't suggest priv on my T2 though then to help sanis?

[grizzled bone]

I dont think its necessary

Privaty's stun is good for punishing slower teams, using her as a buffer is kind of a waste (AR has poor burst gen)

[rustic sandal]

heard heard

alright I upped everyone who was 111 to 444 at least for the moment

[grizzled bone]

[rustic sandal]

now to let that sit and see how it goes

and then look at those links from earlier

when I attack tomorrow

preciate you

otherwise I go back to focusing on PVE till I've got everyone I need built for PVE

[grizzled bone]

catch up on campaign and you get new shiny cubes to use in pvp

[rustic sandal]

granted I'm walled everywhere on PVE rn LMAO

I'm missing all but 2 lost sectors I think

[grizzled bone]

[rustic sandal]

I'm walled at 31 boss and all manu towers except pilgrim

and 14 or 15 random stage hardmode

so I figured i may as well figure out my PVP situation

[grizzled bone]

yeah pvp is nice supplementary gem income

good to focus on when your pve situation is stalling or caught up

[rustic sandal]

btw I'm assuming you don't see many people with a buffed up priv like that do you hahaha

[grizzled bone]

it's not unusual for people who are around passing or have passed the 200 wall

[placid mulch]

Where did u get this

[grizzled bone]

but you have better units in your roster

[grizzled bone]

everything that we post here can be found in the links in the pins. Check the burst gen calculators

[rustic sandal]

fair I may use her in T3 solely cause CP

jk

[grizzled bone]

at a glance;
Scarlet, SAnis, Alice, SBS, Modernia, Asuka are your top DPS B3s for PvE. First four can be used in both PvE and PvP

[rustic sandal]

sbs has more CP

would it be worth fitting alice in anywhere cause she's definitely my most built unit overall

along with 3 good atk lines

[grizzled bone]

I would try avoiding using her for now for defense
Her burst makes her a good single-target DPS but can be hard-countered with Defender+Biscuit.

[rustic sandal]

ah gotchu but maybe on some attacks

[grizzled bone]

yeah, on attacks would be easier to use since you know what you're going up against beforehand

[rustic sandal]

understooood

[grizzled bone]

her S1 makes charge speed faster so you might see some people use her as a backup B3 DPS and/or buffer for another B3 DPS e.g. SBS

[rustic sandal]

heard heard

[grizzled bone]

lets see how your def goes for now and once you invest more/get new units before cooking again

[valid fern]

is onslaught cube worth upgrading for Arena?

[rustic sandal]

what other units would I want?

[grizzled bone]

no. Focus on Resilience + Bastion first, most units benefit from those two cubes in all modes of the game
Then I would say Quantum for burst gen, Tempura for damage reduction for PvP orientation

[grizzled bone]

pull for X.Anne during Christmas event. She can revive an attack unit

not great for PvE but having her for PvP adds another x-factor for opponents

[rustic sandal]

heard heard

[grizzled bone]

your roster is actually really good tbh

[rustic sandal]

ye on pve front I'm realistically only missing a few SR units and RH

like maxwell or xlud

volume/rouge

I've been fairly lucky on that front

[grizzled bone]

pull for RH during anniversary
Volume you can wishlist. Nice to have but not super necessary.
XLud is an essential water dps, pull during xmas
Maxwell can be wishlisted as well., essentially used as a buffer these days and is expensive investment
Rouge is necessary for Blanc teams. Frees up Noir's slot

my shift is over

[mighty haven]

[raven sparrow]

I think 4/4/4 is pretty cheap in the long run more gems every 2 weeks

I feel it's a worthy investment minimum for all pvp units in your sp team XD

[rustic sandal]

yeee I did

[raven sparrow]

It really helps a lot on offense and defense

A lot of people in our bracket will just try to CP gap you so you'll have to adjust a little to match CP

Try to aim to bring that sp defense that caishen wrigged up for you to around 500k+ and you can comfortably sit near top 10 in our bracket I think

[rustic sandal]

my def is 462K rn

[raven sparrow]

Comp matters the most unless they overgap your CP and a lot in top 10 right now are sitting at 500-600k+

[rustic sandal]

yeaaa

[raven sparrow]

If you have a ton of spare R dolls

You can start R to level 5 on main pvp units

And all to 4/4/4 or whatever their recommended is

You have a really good line up, better than me

Once you start investing you will shoot up in no time 👍

The dolls and skills and some t9m start adding up a lot

Your Alice is really raised feels a shame you don't have her somewhere, but her burst gen is so slow... That being said I use her in mine with RL3 lol XD

Again goes with what I said earlier at this point you're being CP gapped a lot in our bracket I think since most above you are considerably higher, I feel it would be worth it to squeeze her in personally somehow, and remove her later when your pvp investments have caught up... So long as she gets to burst she's still decent and you mainly need her for some CP padding right now, 462k seems way too low where we're at

Just my scrub noob opinion though XD

[wild patio]

Demn good job guys you made me spend 300 gems today

Being gasligthted to aim for C1 is much worse scam than buying house property these days if you dont have Noah

[vapid lake]

that's why i stay 4th spot and make 1st spot spend gems

if the ppl above me spend more than 300 gems to hold their position we're equal

[wild patio]

Yeah ima do that from now on

[rich quail]

[umbral crown]

spends more gems to stay C4

[near plank]

any newly cooked sp def teams with rumani?

[pastel narwhal]

[glad meteor]

@pseudo arch any chance I can test against a noah biscuit sanis comp in rookie defence. You can have free wins on my def if you want.

Just want to see how this comp looks like if I test it.

Tried looking for a sanis comp. Everyone’s running emilia scar or sbs. It’s fine if no

[pseudo arch]

Go ahead

[pseudo arch]

I don’t care much about Rockie tho, just dm me with the counter teams lol

[glad meteor]

Thanks

[strange linden]

not specially for noir, I can remove her if necessary (tho she has a pretty high cp compared to my drake)
Same for alice, she get my team to above 800k cp where I'm getting 680~750k cp on the other teams (tho my bracket are all above 800k~900k cause of the 20 lvl diff, thank you so much new bracket )

I don't want to "really" use rumani or ein btw, I thought I could get more solid teams with them but if that's not the case well it's a shame but I'll keep them just for atk
(no jackal on the first teams?)

what's cai teams?

[umbral crown]

No yet

[umbral crown]

Caishien suggested teams

[strange linden]

oh yeah lol, I'll try them

scarlet-sbs-rosanna-xanne-jackal

I remember doing that a while ago
and munch told me it doesnt work because scarlet+scalter+x.anne+jackal+rosanna is 3.5rl if nobody dies

[wild patio]

Make it 400 gems today thanks to Jackee

https://tenor.com/view/i-can-all-day-captain-america-gif-13970984

@wise horizon I tried going ranks above you, but they leave me no choice

https://tenor.com/view/wesley-snipes-gif-5584660563414908453

[umbral crown]

go make 500 for C1

[pastel narwhal]

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-alex-the-lion-just-shush-i-will-handle-this-i-can-handle-it-gif-23421125

[umbral crown]

will you

[pastel narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/betrayal-cute-kitten-gif-12959217

[mighty haven]

happy weekend all

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/i-can-all-day-captain-america-gif-13970984

[mighty haven]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-its-about-sending-a-message-joker-heath-ledger-the-joker-gif-18201880

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/but-its-not-about-the-money-its-about-the-message-right-stan-marsh-south-park-trapped-in-the-closet-s9e12-gif-22283802

[mighty haven]

[rich quail]

Always reply

Stern replies

[umbral crown]

did not last much against sorantis

[wild patio]

mf keep checking on PVP

[loud sonnet]

This bracket is becoming more and more aggressive

[raven plover]

[loud sonnet]

Especially zenata

Guy already spent about 1300 gems this season only to me

[umbral crown]

But keep fighting him, that should not be a problem since you can last whole day

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-gif-25177956

[mystic wind]

any team suggestions to beat this?

[umbral crown]

Skill issues

[gaunt cypress]

nois noah sbs emi anis

moran rapunzel sanis bisc centi

scar noir xane rh jack

[wheat heron]

anyone up?

its mine, just is it good? 3rd my scarlette cant 1 slash them

[glad meteor]

You’re jackal bursting

[wheat heron]

oukay thanks

[umbral crown]

[wheat heron]

all my team

rosy, iz zixc still active? hown about Leo sacrletless?

[copper creek]

zixk on indefinite hiatus

no comment about others, but i will not help in this server anymore
will suggest you ask in another server if need urgent help

[umbral crown]

munch already answered you, leo should be alive i think

[trail inlet]

idk im not too active in discord

i just pop up here and there

[copper creek]

he's more active in the gay bars

[trail inlet]

i need to socialise man

[wheat heron]

What is the other server?

[wheat heron]

Sadge. . .

[wheat heron]

Yeah fast respond, bu i am not tagging him yet

[wheat heron]

How could you notice even i am not tagging you

🗿

[umbral crown]

but give me RH

[rustic sandal]

xp

[white compass]

Did u guys OL Biscuit for pvp? Lol

[granite anchor]

i overloaded everyone in pvp

[fathom rock]

I have made a disappointing accomplishment
I managed to lose this

[graceful grotto]

guys did sbs receive a buff in pvp?

i swear biscuit x blanc used to work against them but now sbs seems to splash her atk to other unit too like wtheck

[fathom rock]

Blanc reloads so sbs switches target

[glad meteor]

Blanc isn’t a taunter. So her distributed damage still affects other units

I usually use moran/noah biscuit

[glad meteor]

Can I ask how you lost this? Jackal triggered biscuit s2 or invincibility went off early?

[fathom rock]

Emilia nuke didn't one-shot sbs so they just healed back

[glad meteor]

[summer copper]

but why didn't it?

[glad meteor]

What level emi skills/burst or maybe deficit?

[fathom rock]

Probably the latter

I underestimated 18% deficit

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

With RH buffer it should have wiped or gotten close to

When you can, share your Emil stats and opponent sync level/cp level from that team

oh

18% huh?

yeh

that’ll do ‘er

[fathom rock]

4/7/7 with ~30% atk sbs survived on pixels

[umbral crown]

With nlanc they would have been gone

Blanc*

[rich quail]

Blanc debuff on opp, yup

[glad meteor]

RNG with indom, sbs has advantage in that scenario

Assuming rapunzel heal makes it so everyone is at max hp and indom actually goes to sbs

[fathom rock]

Didn't wanna run blanc too risky

[rich quail]

18% cp deficit was already risky
Why not go the whole hog?

tbh it could work if you replace Noah w/Blanc, because Biscuit would be providing Blanc invul

[glad meteor]

Hog

[fathom rock]

Run them both is over 30% deficit

[steady steeple]

Would someone be willing to help me make some PVP teams? I've gotten one that almost always gets a win, but the other two are meh

[vapid lake]

i can't beat #1 anymore because of stat diff even tho team comp wise nothing changed
i'm hoarding core dust boxes for c33-c34 release

[keen vapor]

Campaign malding making hoarding worth

[vapid lake]

[rich quail]

Gotta boost Blanc
She’s valuable in all modes

[leaden canyon]

noah rapunzel harran B.soda noir

tia noise quency bay drake

blanc naga neon alice anis

Can try that, my pvp cooking is meh.

@steady steeple

[mighty haven]

C1 becoming more defense

[leaden canyon]

Both teams didn't work, worth a try though thanks!

[grizzled bone]

to clarify, you're using these on defense?

[leaden canyon]

thats how I was making it yeah

my attacking is fine

[steady steeple]

Ooooooooo, this is very interesting, ok thank you, I'll try

Im dumb and forgwt i don't need blanc and noir together, bc i only burst once

[leaden canyon]

yep

[steady steeple]

My Harran also isn't super good, bc i just got her, and I don't have anis leveled at all 😅but I can sync her if she's that meta for PVP?

[leaden canyon]

its for her burst generation that you use anis

[steady steeple]

I figured, makes sense

[leaden canyon]

just need her synced and put some gear on her and thats all

[hardy escarp]

Can anyone recommend SP def teams? The boxed units are my most invested ones.

These are my current def teams

And here's my attack team.

[grizzled bone]

you can play around with these

noah-noise-quency-marciana-naga
alice-blanc-rapunzel-bsoda-noir
bay-rei.a-volume-drake-viper

[grizzled bone]

noah-noise-sanis-rapunzel-flex
scarlet-mari-liter/pepper-noir-jackal
crown-alice-rh-anis-sugar

[hardy escarp]

Thank youuuu

[marble lagoon]

can i make 3 def team?

[eager mountain]

how to beat scarlet-noah-emilia-rosa-jackel?

[rich quail]

Speed

2rl scarlet

[eager mountain]

My 2rl (min 4.92+2.12 charge speed) didn’t work, no mg/sg feeding jackel

maybe that mf has lv10 s1 + 24.7% charge speed emilia, or lv10 s2 rosa, or both, I donno, its 2 rl

[raven plover]

do you have laplace treasure

[eager mountain]

nope, recently thinking of getting one if cinderella isnt made for pvp

but yeah, that team is 2 rl no matter what team what order im using so far

[raven plover]

noah, rapun, centi, sbs, jackal?

[eager mountain]

no charge speed to tank emilia?

[raven plover]

wait but they burst with scarlet

[eager mountain]

their scarlet usually gone before she can b3 and thats why it triggers rosa s2 and became 2rl even without jackel feed

man

[raven plover]

if thats the case we go 3 RL then since you said scar dies before they get burst
noah, biscuit, rapun, sbs, centi

the enemy team can get 2RL even without scar dying

you gonna tank emi

[eager mountain]

k lemme try

[raven plover]

[eager mountain]

[raven plover]

[eager mountain]

scarlet lived at 1 and sbs died to scarlet

[raven plover]

[grizzled bone]

[eager mountain]

[raven plover]

ok caishen gonna help you

[eager mountain]

thx for trying, ig scarlet b3 hit the exact frame before noah b2 takes effect lmfao

[raven plover]

yes the team with centi is 3 RL so if the enemy scarlet still alive you wont block it the one with jackal should be 2 RL and you can block the scarlet but not emi

[eager mountain]

some extra attack stat or extra charge speed for noah and centi might do

either kill scar instead of somehow leaving her 1, or still ~3rl but 2.88 rl instead of 2.9 rl, but emi lol

[oak mountain]

Can anyone cook me some comp for Arena ?

and SP Arena? for those whose wondering why my some of my Char are lvl 1... welp i just came back ..

[raven plover]

[summer copper]

Easy skip? No way, you gotta catch em all

[mighty haven]

2 accounts are still missing Centi

[rich quail]

“just another pvp char”

[loud sonnet]

God please give me noah or jackal already

[spiral onyx]

Keripo's Initial PvP Analysis of Rumani
(sorry for the late review, been busy with Throne & Liberty and Cat Fantasy the past month and kinda forgot about Nikke, oops)

tl;dr: Rumani is our latest clip RL, making her a top tier burst gen battery. Her kit itself is pretty meh so you'll only be using her as a battery.

Rumani is our latest bait unit leading up to 2nd Anniversary which will likely feature some OP meta unit, probably Cinderella. Despite having an extremely unremarkable kit, she has one saving grace: Rumani is a clip rocket-launcher. What this means is that, in PvP, her burst gen value is extremely high, above that of clip SGs but just behind the other clip RLs (Anis > Jackal > Centi > Rumani > Emilia8 > Noah > Clip SGs). See any of the burst gen calculators in the pins for exact numbers. Being a burst gen battery, this by default gives her extremely high value in PvP, especially in SP Arena and Champion Arena where you will need to put together multiple teams. She is also an SSR so her base stats are higher than Anis, and she won't be limited, meaning you'll be able to MLB/C7 here eventually.

Rumani's Burst is very lackluster so I generally would not recommend bursting with her as there are many other better/more valuable B1 bursts to use in PvP. Her S1 lets her RL shots taunt, but only during Burst. This probably means you will want to put her in P5 as to help take pressure off your P1 tank - its ok for her to die first cause by the time you've bursted, she's already done her job. Her S2 is completely useless in PvP since Nikke don't have parts, and even in PvE the bonus is so little it's not worthwhile running her in any type of content.

All in all, Rumani is just another burst gen battery. But given the importance of burst gen in PvP, this instantly makes her a top tier PvP unit regardless of her kit. Keep the clip RLs coming please!

>> Keripo's PvP tier list rating: S- <<
https://tinyurl.com/nikke-pvp-tierlist

Permalink:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/1g7vhaa/keripos_initial_pvp_analysis_of_rumani/

[fathom rock]

[graceful grotto]

Thank you for your hard work

[oak rivet]

I can pin it for the time the banner is running or at least until next Analysis

[mighty haven]

Thank you kind sir for your efforts, more PvP power

[graceful grotto]

My cooking skills for PVP Is pretty meh but here goes:

Scarlet Blanc Centi Rapunzel Jackal

Noah Noise Summer Anis Noir Rosanna

CP pad 3rd team

Again I'm not the best, maybe try swapping around the units I mentioned, they're mostly the crucial unit for pvp (aside from Rosanna, she's mainly there to remove Jackal's link)

Notable unit for PVP

Anis (burst gen), RH, Laplace (only if u have her treasure), sugar, maiden, Liter (mainly for her burst, but she's low burst gen)

[tender valve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1193027408304025683/1296246248914817124/axszQ19s-6ifkZxT1kS5k-5k.gif

[mighty haven]

Blanc/Scarlet/Liter/Centi/Jackal
Noah/Noise/SAnis/Naga/Rapunzel
Anis/Poli/RH/MPriv/Sugar

[quaint idol]

is it worth it to ol anis?

[mighty haven]

Only after every other unit used for campaign/raiding has been, and if you absolutely need the CP padding

[quaint idol]

i see, so eventually

[mighty haven]

It will be VERY far down the line, unless you're a day 1 player/excessively whale

[covert lintel]

why noir?
iirc noir make summer anis's ammo huge during burst

[grizzled bone]

how long have you been away from the game?

[pure moss]

how is this team?

[elder cosmos]

i hope Adrian touches grass

i always feel bad when i double target someone, then this

[pure moss]

Some people are pity, that's normal

I can attack my server's rank 1 and mf gonna attack me 15 times

[glad meteor]

Damn

[elder cosmos]

I'm fine with some of them always fighting me, i already know that they can beat me, but he just appeared out of nowhere and started to slap the hell out of me

f.e. Salmon

his defense have 1x 160 lvl Nikke and 4x 1 lvl Nikke

idk why he didn't notice that but welp, don't mind me

[pure moss]

that's what happened with the mf rank 1 in my server

[glad meteor]

Bay could lose her cover to RLs (emi laplace mainly)

[elder cosmos]

oh and there's some player that never even tried to fight me so i try to not fight him either 🤷‍♂️

[pure moss]

yk what even worse? Mf has a bunch of money to spare and level up 7 times a day just so he can secure rank 1

[elder cosmos]

oof

[pure moss]

he knows he can't fight me at the same level cuz I'm built for quality

[elder cosmos]

the thing is, i can't even find Adrian in any ranking list, that's very weird but I can't do anything about it

he just appeared out of nowhere and is kicking my ass

I'm talking about general ranking list, not pvp btw

[eager mountain]

top 10's in my server, mostly lv450s, most of them dont care about hitting 3% in solo raid (despite they should be easily able to) but they are heavily invested in pvp so that their team usually have higher cp

[elder cosmos]

lmao

that's lame, but can't really judge them

[eager mountain]

might gonna focus on pvp as well since im having trouble hitting 1% now

[elder cosmos]

here's that guy btw
you can see the actual problem in his defense, but I'm sure that he always could've noticed the problem with his damage team, although he never tried to fight me (when i was obviously weaker than him) so I don't target him

it's hard to be "ethical" nowadays

[eager mountain]

my scarlet jackel team usually lost to theirs despite my charge speed is 11% minimal, meaning that many of them has 3+ charge speed OL lines for most RLs

yeah there are many acc that doesnt change defense team, from server in my sub account

[elder cosmos]

here's Adrian btw, his team is awful but lvl carried him

[eager mountain]

emma jackel team would do it with like 25% deflict

[elder cosmos]

this is my current team

[eager mountain]

Rip yeah that’s too much cp deflict

[elder cosmos]

true

should i change my team though?

[eager mountain]

The order is wrong but I doubt if that would change anything

Even if ur dps get blanc b2 and lived for 10s it wouldnt be enough break their team with this deficit

[elder cosmos]

there was message, but nvm

that's my roster :P

[elder cosmos]

i forgot that i did update the image

[eager mountain]

The lv160 wall also gonna hit really hard and really soon

[elder cosmos]

oh it's lvl160 wall already, dw

it's just i updated it long ago, but haven't gotten new Nikkes so didn't feel the need to update it again

[grizzled bone]

What If Bay and Rapunzel die?

[pure moss]

any alternatives?

[eager mountain]

Is ur alice built btw?

[pure moss]

my 2 other teams looks like this

[grizzled bone]

idk. Haven't seen your roster
P1 and P2 are the danger zones though.

[pure moss]

my roster? all nikke

[elder cosmos]

nah, 749

[eager mountain]

U either get 100% charge speed and at least 100% ammo or don’t use her at all, either completely useless or op, funny character

[pure moss]

or I can switch rapunzel to p3

[wild badge]

i swear to god if I get good pvp units in my next rolls, these guy are never going to beat me

[grizzled bone]

put rapunzel in p4, sbs in p2, laplace in p3

[pure moss]

sounds like a plan, thank you

Other than that if you can cook my 3rd team without touching the other 2 I will appreciate it

[eager mountain]

Diamond1s in my server didn’t try this hard to get me lol

[pure moss]

Hmm, I can also replace Alice with Anis but it would bring my cp down a bit

[eternal finch]

Any recs for new DEF on SP? Current defense no longer works.

Previous teams:

DEF 1
Jackal/Scarlet/Drake/Poli/Tia
Blanc/Emilia/Sugar/RH/Pepper
Noah/Rapunzel/S.Anis/Biscuit/Centi

DEF 2
Scarlet/Rapunzel/Jackal/Poli/Sugar
Blanc/Scalter/RH/Centi/Pepper
Noise/Biscuit/S.Anis/Emilia/Anis

DEF 3
Noah/Noise/S.Anis/Biscuit/SBS
SakuraB/Blanc/Emilia/RH/Jackal
Crown/Scarlet/Rapunzel/Centi/Drake

[halcyon sinew]

Where do you get a calculation like this?

[elder cosmos]

https://lootandwaifus.com/guides/nikke-cp-deficit-calculator/

[eager mountain]

I don’t think that’s PvP deficit

[pure moss]

Noah/Noise/S.Anis/Biscuit/Emilia (21% CS)
Scarlet/Centi/Red Hood/Rumani/Jackal

[wild badge]

i literally have like 1 clip rl in my team and my teams are not even 3rl lmao

i just don't have access to pvp units and can't progress further up challenger

[eager mountain]

rumani waving at u

[wild badge]

but cindy is calling my name

[halcyon sinew]

Thanks

[eternal finch]

and T3?

[pure moss]

not me having 2100 mileage for cindy

[pure moss]

whatever/whatever/whatever/whatever/whatever

[pure moss]

you can do 5 SG

[wild badge]

I'll trade you 500 for 2100

[eager mountain]

tbh by average luck u can get like 2/3 of all new banners in in this game if u keep up with gems from all sources, so unless ur the type that wants to mlb new fav banner… doesn’t have to skip that many banners (evil words)

[halcyon sinew]

It seems dificit 2x

[pure moss]

Blanc/SBS/Noir/Rapunzel/Drake

[wild badge]

well my account is still newish, and I have like almost 80 standard pulls waiting for when qeq, phantom to go into standard wishlist

already have rouge from banner

[pure moss]

and when you have Bay and Laplace (treasure), replace Blanc and Drake with them

[eternal finch]

sould I do 4/4/4 on Rumani?

[pure moss]

no

[eternal finch]

leave here 111?

[pure moss]

Rumani skill sets are wack

[eager mountain]

Personally I would wait for new year selection box, pull standard and then see who u want the most from selection

[wild badge]

rumani s2 is especially weak for arena

[pure moss]

if you have no one else to invest then upgrade her however u want for more cp

[eternal finch]

ok I'll leave her on 1s then

[pure moss]

otherwise 1/1/1 and maybe full OL if needed

[eternal finch]

even if she is low cp should I use her on instead of Anis? or until she is stronger than Anis?

[wild badge]

yeah for sure, that's the plan. I hope to get centi / jackal / noah / noir / noise from the pulls but it may just be copium with my luck

[eager mountain]

Takes 420ish pulls to get wishlist character by average, so u’ll have like 25% chance for each of u have like 105 tickets by then

I rarely use noise now in arena

Even tho mines broken with 4 attack ol lines somehow

[eternal finch]

ok, I just finished OL on Rosanna, I guess I'll move to Romani then.

[pure moss]

make sure scarlet jackal teams has 3 level 7 quantum cubes

Centi Rumani Jackal

[raven marsh]

I agree with this answer

[warped cedar]

What can be done against a team comp like this? Emilia circumvents Noah invul duration but trying to use the same team setup it's a big toss up on who survives and beats the other (usually their emilia somehow lasts long enough and cleans up my survivors)

[grizzled bone]

if you're using Noah against Emi's burst nuke you have to match the speed (edit:) of emi's delayed burst

[raven plover]

[granite anchor]

you run a blanc team that is .5 RL slower so that their invul always runs out first

I usually run blanc/SBS/red hood/biscuit/jackal. just make sure your SBS has less HP than red hood.

[glad meteor]

Gotta be 1 RL slower

[grizzled bone]

yeah i meant match speed of delay burst*

[restive willow]

0.5RL slower works too

[restive willow]

You could also try 2RL scarlet abusing their blanc's feed

[daring gust]

I have a riddle

Whats the difference here guys. Win/lose is around 60/40

There is another player with exact same team and same level as the enemy but i won 100%

[graceful grotto]

scarlet s2

30% chance of counter attack when she’s hit

so when she counters, the burst gen will be higher

[daring gust]

Then why another player i mentioned wont work the same way? Quantum cube?

[graceful grotto]

total same unit?

[daring gust]

Yep

Exact same position

[graceful grotto]

mayhaps, i’m not too certain, maybe wait for a chef to come cooking hahaha

[rich quail]

Could be a lot of factors
I’m sure it depends on how much investment the person put on Scarlet’s S2

[daring gust]

You mean upgrading scarlet s2 increase burst gen when she counter?

[leaden canyon]

its also possible that your RL units could have whiffed their shots

[rich quail]

If you mess with the nikke.gg skill/burst settings, the % of final atk and crit damage go down when lowered

Chance of activation (30%) and requirement to be 60% hp or below stays the same

Not sure if it affects burst gen or not

[daring gust]

For better video quality

[daring gust]

Actually my interest here is how to build that exact same team like first guy that have a "chance" to success scarlet ult against my team (3 RL speed and no burst gauge feeder to jackal like AR SG SMG MG)

So the rocket whiff may responsible for that "chance" to the first guy but the other enemy i mentioned (another guy with exact same team same position same level) also have chance my rocket whiff or not whiff, yet he doesn't have the "chance" to success scarlet ult.

Sorry if my eng bad

[rich quail]

[pastel owl]

feel like it is rng only
left video: emt got reflected damage first shot, when rh bullet turns from 3 to 2, blanc already bursted, noah about to burst
right video: doesn't get reflected damage first 2 shots, when rh bullet turns from 3 to 2, blanc not yet burst noah about to
otherwise everything looks the same including number of bullets shot

[sage ermine]

does Rumani need her skill to be upgraded for pvp?

[raven sparrow]

They won't leave me alone 😭
I'm already guaranteed 3rd place in points at season end and yet one of them keeps using gems to hit lol...

Let me end my season in peace

[rich quail]

Word on the street is 1/1/1 or 4/4/4 if you want cp

Use for burst gen only

[gaunt sentinel]

man they really became active huh?

[chilly furnace]

Real.. 5 ppl atk me now

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-super-saiyan-dbz-rage-angry-gif-5497679

https://tenor.com/view/trash-know-your-place-rage-gif-15305560

[raven plover]

[chilly furnace]

@raven plover

[chilly furnace]

Take it i dont want it

Btw ein bar speed gen same as dkw?

[raven plover]

idk

[rich quail]

Even I don’t use that much violins

[wild patio]

https://youtu.be/M_iNciYEQ60?list=LL

[chilly furnace]

Not like it matter

[raven plover]

[loud sonnet]

Is there a list of stats of which is giving more CP?

[solemn moth]

where can i read the guides through arena?

[wild vault]

SEA is brutal

[solemn moth]

agreed

[chilly furnace]

List of OL stat?

[loud sonnet]

Ye

Wait no

[chilly furnace]

I never see one
But OL stat is varie between char type too
For example def stat give more cp than atk for defender

[loud sonnet]

What about support type?

[chilly furnace]

The highest one should be ammo when its first roll

[chilly furnace]

Not sure but should be atk.. like for sanis and dorothy..

Highest was ammo
Atk and def equal depend on char type
Ele goes third
The rest i didnt sure

The value are taken from the first OL roll

[umbral crown]

C10

[umbral crown]

go c1

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/bobby-hill-king-of-the-hill-no-thanks-disappointed-gif-6146201255874252389

https://tenor.com/view/bleeding-you-cant-trick-me-tom-holland-spider-man-far-from-home-gif-17437026

[umbral crown]

[marble lagoon]

help me make 3 def team pls

[eternal finch]

Sadly, this DEF didn't work.

[marble lagoon]

uh...

[loud sonnet]

Every def can be defeated if they know how to counter it

[wild patio]

Or being overpowered in CP

[loud sonnet]

Oh ye that too

[raven plover]

https://youtu.be/Zw1kGbHMmIM?feature=shared

TLDR everything is the same except ele advantage giving more CP

[terse abyss]

how often do they mix up players for sp arena?

[raven plover]

its once per 3 months aka 6 cycles

[terse abyss]

noice

this server im in is pretty chill, im the annoying guy who keeps taking over the #1 guys spot, now hes lazy and stays in 2nd lol

having 1-3 get the same reward is nice, as long as 4-6 stays in their own spots lol

[umbral crown]

si

[fathom gust]

Nohara sannn!

I rarely see you here

[umbral crown]

[hidden egret]

Wait why were all my pics deleted

[halcyon sinew]

I think 1 msg is only 4 pics

[hidden egret]

Oh

Guys these are my units and these are my arena teams I need to make them better ( I am dumb) so I need help the sp arena off and def are same

[mighty haven]

hmmm, is your Laplus treasured? and what skills investments fo you have on Poli/SAnis

[frozen mist]

can anyone explain how this team is winning? I was destroying them for over 2 months, my Battle power is 40k higher then it still. But now this team is able to beat me

my team for reference

[mighty haven]

they're within 15.4% CP deficit, so no stat loss

[hidden egret]

Yes she is Sanis iirc was 4/4/4 I don't remember about poli but I think it was also 4/4/4 (I do have resources to get skill lvl higher

[mighty haven]

Mmm, get SAnis to 9/7/7 asap

[hidden egret]

Oh alr

Gimme a moment just got back home

[mighty haven]

If their Emilia has 21% CS, they're at 2.5RL, even non invested Emilia they're 3RL, vs your 4RL

Biscuit is protecting Noise/Jackal, and by time your full burst has gone off SAnis already has 1-1.5seconds of damage on your team

What other Nikkes have you got?

[frozen mist]

slightly older, i also now have Jackal

[mighty haven]

What's your CP like if you run Scarlet/Blanc/RH/Centi/Jackal?

[frozen mist]

Regular scarlet or BW?

[mighty haven]

Reg Scarlet

[mighty haven]

Yeah try that, put Quantums on Jackal + Centi

[frozen mist]

Quantums?

[mighty haven]

Quatum cube

[frozen mist]

mk

[mighty haven]

That team will be 3RL, if their Emilia isn't 21% CS then Scarlet will strike same time as SAnis popping off

[frozen mist]

also what should my defense team be? ;o Been using my attack team also as defense ;o

[mighty haven]

for Rookie you can use the same team

SPA....no

[hidden egret]

Done

Sorry it took me a lot longer

[mighty haven]

aiyo

[hidden egret]

What do i do next

[mighty haven]

ill need some time to check and cook

make sure you put a resi cube on SAnis too

[hidden egret]

Ok chef cook

[hidden egret]

Lemme see

Well it's late here and I have an exam tomorrow gonna see you a lil later take care and cya

[final tendon]

I’ve been trying to beat this guy for the longest time but I can’t. Wonder if I have a better setup

[mighty haven]

Ah nws, good luck

[final tendon]

I know this dude has scarlet in the middle for a reason but idk why

[swift mango]

Could you link me the tool you use for your images?

[mighty haven]

Shield from Crown, with Jackal sandwiched in between rockets hitting P2 are splashing both Crown + Scarlet for more burst gen

[fathom rock]

@umbral crown i give up making 3rd defense team functional it costs me ranking

[mighty haven]

Also using Crown's S1 in full burst for the extra damage spike ala Blanc

[mighty haven]

check the pins for Gatrix's burst gen calc

[swift mango]

Sorry but how to check the pin?

[umbral crown]

[final tendon]

mmmmm should i do that too?

[fathom rock]

This now my 3rd team

It gives cp, scares away the diamond peeps

[umbral crown]

if it works, then its fine

[swift mango]

Thanks. Figured it out after I asked and was looking so late reply.

I could generally guess my burst speed comparing to opponent but having a calculator is handy.

[mighty haven]

lemme check in a bit

[frozen mist]

This is #1 guy on leaderboard hrmm

[mighty haven]

@hidden egret try this when free:

Noah/Noise/SAnis/Biscuit/Rapunzel - adjutant cubes on Noah/Biscuit
Blanc/Emilia/Scarlet Alter/Poli/Jackal - Quantum cubes on Emilia and Jackal
Naga/Anis/Maid Privaty/Liter/Maiden - Quantum cube on Anis

[mighty haven]

3RL stall comp - either you have to outstall them, or go 2/2.5 Scarlet/Ein nuke

[frozen mist]

dont have ein

been saving for Anniversary so xD

[mighty haven]

You could run this right side

[frozen mist]

mkay ill try that 😄 thanks for the help

Im def gonnna make the Zenerick guy regret going against me though first 😠

[potent ermine]

bro fuming

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-office-dwight-schrute-sniper-gif-25130487

Tis the day

[wild patio]

you could do better instead of sniping only 1 rank above @wise horizon

[mild moat]

what team comp beats noise/noah/sanis?

[vapid lake]

one of my pvp rivals has been mentally broken

[tawny vine]

haven't seen my #1 fan since they last tried to snipe

[raven plover]

, , / , ,

scarlet, blanc, anis/centi, redhood, jack

except 2 RL sanis its gonna be depends on how tanky their RLs

[tired dawn]

i might as well try and update my special arena teams. i got almost every single character (except Power from CSM collab) so far in my hands. any recommendations?

[umbral crown]

Go c1

[wild patio]

Tell to him not me

[umbral crown]

Its last day , yournday to show us how you beat C1

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/bobby-hill-king-of-the-hill-no-thanks-disappointed-gif-6146201255874252389

https://tenor.com/view/bleeding-you-cant-trick-me-tom-holland-spider-man-far-from-home-gif-17437026

[umbral crown]

This is called: fear to success

[raven sparrow]

Fear of success

You've got this, you can do it! Show them who the TRUE C1 is!

[loud sonnet]

[umbral crown]

[loud sonnet]

Cant log in to the game

[umbral crown]

[loud sonnet]

I knew it someone's attacking me

[vapid lake]

i just got normal rosanna how much investment she needs to be usable to stop jackal scar comps
still at 260 sync level range doesn't need 7/7/7 right

[loud sonnet]

4/7/7 i think min

[vapid lake]

guess i invest her next year

[mighty haven]

#questions message

[vapid lake]

guess i invest her 2 year later

[loud sonnet]

Should i make it ten?

[raven plover]

hold

lets see what anniv unit offer

what if

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946720097031045161/1296299342910455869/Screenshot_20241013_100023_Discord.png?ex=6717b717&is=67166597&hm=d46e2bc7ef575b5cace8f0aeb16224415a7944ace2423a3e18d93dccb2284172&

[umbral crown]

i woud max skill emi regardless

[hidden egret]

Ok let me see btw is this for def or ofc?

[stone pollen]

Does Runami mostly replace Moran now, or are there still use cases?

[raven plover]

rumani pretty much only for burst gen

moran still

[chilly furnace]

Nero

[final tendon]

Is there anyway I can make a 4rl team with my asuka/doro

[chilly furnace]

Use Laplace instead marian

[rich quail]

7/7/7 is not going to 1-shot opponent units very often, which can come to haunt you

7/10/10 would be ideal, but opponents having Temperance Cube may make life for Rosanna even more difficult eventually, as you go over sync lvl 300.

Still worth it for the option, but needs pretty high investment to warrant usage

[final tendon]

Ok I just can’t beat this guy

[mighty haven]

Def

[mighty haven]

What's CP your team vs theirs

[final tendon]

barely any difference

5k-ish

i should be safe for rank 9

[mighty haven]

Reposition your team so it's Scarlet/Crown/Alice/Centi/Jackal, and then see what happens

[final tendon]

no attempts now so this is just for the future

i lost like that too, so i tried changing my setup

i've never won against this guy

[mighty haven]

That team formation?

[final tendon]

yup

i prob just need to stop hitting em

[mighty haven]

Hmmm, so what I can see, your Scarlet is actually bursting before Noah pops off invuln, which is why RH is healing - RH is using B1/B2/B3, Noah is just taunting with S2

[graceful grotto]

i kinda get screwed over by blanc team comp now lol

always got beat by blanc + one dps, killed everyone and that dps alone nuke the remaining of my team...

[mighty haven]

Which means either a) your Scarlet isn't doing enough damage to fully kill off their team and/or b) Crown's shield isn't saving you from RH

@final tendon I'm guessing you don't have a Noah/Noise/Biscuit/Rapunzel available, since you should have SAnis

If you have Noah/Blanc, put then in over Crown, or try Scarlet/Centi/Anis/Alice/Jackal instead, Quantum cube on Anis + Jackal (Centi as well if you can)

[mighty haven]

Either go faster, or stall with Noah/Noise/Biscuit

[graceful grotto]

yeah but for some reason, sbs is able to splash kill the remaining of my team even when blanc/biscuit is there

[mighty haven]

Blanc/Scar/Jack is hard countered by Noah/SAnis/Biscuit

Blanc will indom lowest HP unit usually Scarlet

[graceful grotto]

the enemy team is

SBS / Blanc / RH / Biscuit / Jackal

So now my counter to them is

Scarlet / Blanc / Liter / Emilia / Jackal

[mighty haven]

No RH of your own?

[graceful grotto]

i use liter instead of biscuit just to

1. feed their jackal so they burst slightly earlier
2. my blanc burst later than his blanc so i can survive longer

it's a 1v1 in the end lmao

[graceful grotto]

sadly no

[mighty haven]

Mmmmm, yeah numbers race

[spiral onyx]

PvP fights should never go down to 1v1s

Each comp has its soft/hard counter

You should not be throwing rocks against rocks

Use paper instead

There's an entire video I made about the soft/hard counters for each DPS unit. They are also listed in my tier list and probably also somewhere on Prydwen

PvP should never be a numbers race unless you're referring to CP penalty.

[graceful grotto]

thanks, i will try to look for the counters for that

blanc + dps that can solo my entire team is so annoying

[tender valve]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-dancing-cat-chinese-dancing-cat-funny-cat-meme-cat-gif-18059553370350307210

[tender valve]

https://tenor.com/view/magnus-carlsen-magnus-carlsen-chess-checkmate-gif-11643339432039473066

[graceful grotto]

@spiral onyx i am abit curious on the Xanne and Rapunzel placement in your tier list, is Xanne slightly less desirable cause she's B2? as this will make her compete with units such as blanc/noah?

[spiral onyx]

In comparison to whom?

[graceful grotto]

Xanne comparing with Rapunzel

since both can revive unit

[spiral onyx]

They aren't comparable units, they serve different purposes

XAnne's primary purpose isn't revive but B2 atk buff

If you're depending on her revive, you've already screwed up

Same with Rapunzel. If Rapunzel 's revive is part of your strategy, you've already screwed up

Rapunzel's purpose is to provide consistent heals before burst to ensure your tank 's survival until burst

The revive is just bonus, but you're likely already have lost if Rapunzel is reviving instead of a more valuable B1 burst

Exception being meme stall comps

[worthy knoll]

While this is true.. but you can't deny that Rapu is much more known for her revive than consistent heal, before XAnne she is the only one who can revive units.. and while XAnne can revive, she only limit to attacker and is random.. while Rapu has no type limit but revives highest atk if multiple are dead. So Rapu is still the only one who can cheat death better.. and I'm kinda bias coz back in the days, its Rapu on the 4RL Noah Noise SAnis Rapu Biscuit team who always gets in my way in Scar slashing killed Noise SAnis Biscuit, but Rapu survives, revives SAnis and flip the tables on me

[hidden egret]

Oh

[hidden egret]

Repositioning helps?

[wild patio]

[loud sonnet]

This only needs a taunter like moran or noah plus biscuit

[wild patio]

1.4 mil CP

[rich quail]

What about Rosanna counter?

[spiral onyx]

Are you dying to Rosanna?

Rosanna auto attacks or burst killing you?

[umbral crown]

Waos

[spiral onyx]

If yes, then gear up lol, all I have to say

If not then you're asking the wrong question

[rich quail]

Got it

[umbral crown]

Keripo for the win

[spiral onyx]

Rosanna's burst does 1800% damage to 2 units

You should have 3500% HP

So she shouldn't be 1 shotting you unless you're undergeared

Or not properly setting up a tank

[rich quail]

Sometimes I have to maneuver teams that have to take on Rosanna, and I usually try to shield, taunt, etc before she bursts. I use Rapu as a backup if she hits my attackers

But there are guides that say Rapu is a counter to Rosanna, so it’s good to have a discussion on why that may not be good to just rely on Rapu being a reliable counter

Burst can kill me because I’m usually fighting at 30 sync levels under, although I’m not in cp deficit penalty land

But I do what I can to set up a shield or tank skill

[hidden egret]

Done with this now what about rookie arena

[wheat heart]

I feel that it's impossible to defend against someone who has access to all the meta units and is below the CP penalty gap. you just can't put 3 teams together that can stop 2RL scar, Sanis, emilia indom, or the god comps

i've tried everything and occasionally i'll stop them for one or two attacks but they always figure it out after

[mighty haven]

Any of the 1st 2 teams are fine

[mighty haven]

You can swap around defences every so often, just team order, however if your defense is taking a battering then it's worth seeing if the position you're defending is also really required, and if your new lower spot on the ladder also means you get attacked less

[wheat heart]

i'm fighting for top 3 challenger spot. i switch defenses every time i lose just because sometimes he gets sloppy and i get a win but i've found nothing that holds him for long.

what's funny is i have a slight level lead and a huge core lead for the meta units but it's not enough

[mighty haven]

Season is ending in a couple days, will fighting and dropping in and out of C1-3 get you enough points to reach 3k gems before then? If so then do your best

[wheat heart]

we've been going back and forth all day because it's very close

[mighty haven]

Otherwise, try to snipe before reset so you hold that spot going into next season

If you're in C4-6, you're only generating 5 ranking points less an hour compared to C1-3

[wheat heart]

yeah i've done the math. if i can hold it til reset i'll take it but he's been sitting there spamming refresh for the last 3 hours

[mighty haven]

[wheat heart]

the pvp bracket was so peaceful until the last shuffle brought this tool in

and he's been as annoying as it can possibly get

[mighty haven]

Always happens, new ones reveal any weaknesses and signal to others if you're vulnerable

[wheat heart]

hasn't let me hold it for even 5 minutes lmao

[hidden egret]

Ok

[wheat heart]

if you can think of some unorthodox teams i'm all ears

[mighty haven]

You're both going to burn gems, already used 100 each

[wheat heart]

oh yeah i'm way in the negative at this point

usually i just milk his gems and let him have it btu this time i wanted to push to see how far he'd go

[mighty haven]

@umbral crown what to do to send permanent message

[thorn pagoda]

that's what i do with the whale at 1st place. wait until the end of the day and take his place so he has to spend 100 gems every 2 days

[wheat heart]

yeah that's what i should have done. i had no idea he'd burn 1000 gems just to say he's top 3

would this work or should i swap moran out for pepper/more burst

[thorn pagoda]

you only lose 300 gems if you aren't top 3 lol

[wheat heart]

oh i know. i just wanted to push him this time and see how far he'd go

i'm like 1K gems spent in deep as well

[thorn pagoda]

can relate

[glad meteor]

Your noah shield won’t trigger

[wheat heart]

ah you right thanks

was brainstorming and didn't think that through

[wheat heart]

lmaooo yeah sometimes you just gotta start slugging

it's at least letting me try a ton of defenses

[grizzled bone]

[wheat heart]

noah/biscuit counters ein right?

[grizzled bone]

sort of

Ein doesn't really have hard counters

even if she fails to 1-shot her feathers will continuously do dmg circumventing noah-biscuit

[wheat heart]

so what's the move here

[grizzled bone]

maybe a Ros snipe, Emi nuke, SAnis targeting 2 highest atk

[wheat heart]

i could try emi indom but i'm scared the ein will kill her before burst

[grizzled bone]

their team is 3RL so that's fair

[wheat heart]

its just the ein makes my team start at half health right?

[grizzled bone]

no?

(this ss is at max skills)

[wheat heart]

yeah, activates when entering battle: summons 4 near feathers

then each feather does a nuke to one of my units

[glad meteor]

Noah biscuit sanis / emi probably

The feathers should be tauntable

[grizzled bone]

feathers are tauntable

[granite anchor]

emi elemental weak to feathers

[wheat heart]

do i want noah to burst or biscuit

[glad meteor]

Noah to block nuke

[granite anchor]

noah, put noah p1 and noise p5

[wheat heart]

that should beat the blanc indom right?

[glad meteor]

Hmm, deficit?

[granite anchor]

no, you're at cp deficit

the team would probably win out of deficit. without checking burst gen their team looks really slow and i doubt getting indom on Sanis is reliable if even possible under scarlet pressure.

[wheat heart]

well this is the 3rd team. even higher CP and i'm using noise/noah on team 1

so i can't block the scarlet

[grizzled bone]

you would need a 2RL Noah team to beat this

[wheat heart]

the ein really messed things up

first time he's brought it out

[grizzled bone]

maybe it's not built

noah-biscuit-sanis-emi-noise on T1

unless you use blanc instead

[granite anchor]

does the normal blanc/emi/rh work on the ein team? i've never fought ein so Idk

[grizzled bone]

it could

[glad meteor]

Have you tried switching cubes to strengthen CP? I don’t know if that team would win, but could push you over the threshold

[grizzled bone]

[granite anchor]

yeah you're very close to being in the deficit window with that team, you're at .840

[wheat heart]

for the scar jackal team? i have quantam on anis xanne and centi so i can get burst off before noise triggers

scarlet has 10 bastion and jackal has quantam too

level 7

[glad meteor]

Feed should be enough to push you to 2RL without quantum?

[grizzled bone]

not Jackal?

[grizzled bone]

oh nvm

[wheat heart]

sorry i forgot xanne has charge speed

[granite anchor]

it should be 2 RL even without quantums so i'm not sure if you need them.

their team needs feed just to get to 3RL

[grizzled bone]

depsite the deficit penalty I still think your T2 wins

[granite anchor]

you can prolly put lvl 10 cubes on the burst gen units to get within the deficit window and still burst before noise

probably only need to replace one cube, not even all of them

[grizzled bone]

there's a thought

if your Resilience cube is higher than your Adjutant, put it on XAnne

[wheat heart]

it is

[grizzled bone]

using Adjutant on XAnne is when you're sure she can be above 90% HP to trigger her S2

being in P2, that's not really guaranteed

[wheat heart]

so is res or quantam better then if she's usually the B2?

[grizzled bone]

she has poor burst gen, dont give her Quantum

she has the same as Rapunzel, Laplace (not treasured), A2, Tia, etc.

[glad meteor]

Doesn’t matter. Since you’ll be 2RL regardless. Resil may be better since CP pad

[wheat heart]

well it worked! now i wait 3 minutes and face three all new teams

[grizzled bone]

[wheat heart]

thanks everyone

[grizzled bone]

[glad meteor]

[grizzled bone]

@glad meteor i'm going to work

you're in charge

[glad meteor]

I’m going to eat

[wheat heart]

what you eating

[glad meteor]

Chicken and fries

[graceful grotto]

everyone last min rushing arena

[wheat heart]

mcdonalds?

[umbral crown]

make them do the things

[glad meteor]

Nah, homemade 🫡

[wheat heart]

check out the spicy chicken at wendy's

[pastel narwhal]

🍗 🍟

[desert sphinx]

hello, could I get a recommendation for arena defense ? I tried to use 2 meta teams then just put full power on the last, no idea if there's a more efficient one

[umbral crown]

how was your fight against this team

[umbral crown]

Blanc/Emilia/Red Hood/Centi/Noir
Noah/Noise/S.Anis/Biscuit/SBS
Alice/Crown/Liter/Laplace/Jackal

[thorn pagoda]

you have Noah maxed out 😮

[desert sphinx]

thank you very much

[valid fern]

bruh. did this guy really use gems on me. in rookie arena.

[umbral crown]

he is just testing teams

[valid fern]

6 attacks within 24 hrs tho. rip gems

[umbral crown]

thats just 100 gems

[valid fern]

I must be a pretty good test subject then, worthy of gems.

[umbral crown]

worthy rival

[desert sphinx]

sorry, I have a little question. I just pulled scarlet, think I should put her in one of the team ?

[umbral crown]

congrats and you can add her in 3rd team, Scarlet For Alice

[desert sphinx]

thank you

[keen vapor]

PVP is dead

[glad meteor]

No snipe talk

Last day of SP

[rich quail]

save us Echo
ur our only hope

[wheat heart]

it worked. but he attacked me 10 min later and i just gave up and went to bed. was tired of spending gems

[umbral crown]

I see, guess that Ein was not invested

If you bursted with biscuit and Won

[glad meteor]

The placement was switched to noah burst instead

[umbral crown]

Now it makea sense

[wheat heart]

yeah K caught it

[umbral crown]

K saving the day

[mighty haven]

[dapper blade]

How to beat this team?

[crystal flicker]

MIrror with Noah

[jagged locust]

I am really perplexed. This guy has been a stone wall for me for a whole week, even though I have both the CP and lvl advantage. Can anyone offer some advice on the revenge plan?

[terse abyss]

Who's bursting first? And you want burst to be red hood, anis, red hood/scarlet, so your p4 team should have jackal to the far right so red hood bursts first

[jagged locust]

I was not aware of that, thank you. I'm not sure how bursting order goes in pvp, I'm really new

Isn't scarlet supposed to be better in pvp than RH?

[loud sonnet]

Relax day

[terse abyss]

I honestly don't even have scarlet so I can't comment lol

Burst order goes from left to right. So if jackal is on red hoods left jackal will burst 1

[graceful grotto]

first of all, u always want scarlet on the leftmost and jackal on the right most

scarlet on the leftmost means she will be attacked first, this will help triggers her S2 so u can burst gen more, and jackal will link with scarlet too

also if you run jackal on the rightmost, Rh will enter B1 burst which is what u want to improve scarlet's dmg

secondly u need a strong b2 instead of alice, noah is the best scarlet counter in this case, but u need to becareful as an scarlet with indo buff have the capability of team wiping even if she's the only one left standing

if ur scarlet is capable of team wiping them with your ulti, then try

Scarlet x (Noah/RL clip/SG clip) x RH x Anis x Jackal

This way you will go into burst mode way earlier (since their modernia and their blanc will feed your jackal), so you can try to screen wipe them before they activate their burst

[jagged locust]

this is all the B2 I have. also if I move Jackal to P5, she wont burst right?

[graceful grotto]

RH burst is better since u want more dmg for scarlet to nuke

u have any SG clip or RL clip unit?

RL clip = Anis/Rumani/Centi/Jackal
SG clip = Drake/Maiden/B.Soda/Pepper/Sugar etc.

Special = Emilia/Noah

[jagged locust]

I have only Anis and Jackal

for b2

[jagged locust]

also Bay, Naga, Yuni, Vesti, Rapunzel and Poli

[graceful grotto]

show ur full roaster

they are at 4RL, which is a pretty slow burst, u can try just fast burst them down

[graceful grotto]

u can try

1. Scarlet RH Rapunzel Anis Jackal
2. Scarlet Blanc RH Anis Jackal
3. Scarlet Bay RH Anis Jackal

[jagged locust]

thanks! gonna experiment until I find a working formula

I really appreciate the help

[graceful grotto]

no problem, i'm not a great chef so hopefully someone better can help u cook

good luck still

[jagged locust]

https://tenor.com/view/the-bear-carmen-berzatto-carmy-jeremy-allen-white-jaw-gif-13487111760924528729

[mighty haven]

Both my NA accounts comfy

[placid mulch]

Where can u get that

[graceful grotto]

whale

[graceful grotto]

check pin

[mighty haven]

Smart play you mean

[gaunt sentinel]

so i start working on rosanna how far i need to built her

[mighty haven]

7/7/10, SR doll to 10, and ATK needs to be at least 40% from OLs

[gaunt sentinel]

nvm then

[mighty haven]

You're closer to that goal than I am

[deep phoenix]

does poli's skill 2 also hastens burst gen like jackal?

[chilly furnace]

Reset her skill later fr

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

It was nice knowing you, Rosanna

https://tenor.com/view/reset-button-press-push-gif-8046442

/me gives the skills to Rumani instead

[raven plover]

[pastel narwhal]

[rich quail]

Aoi Besti my Vesti

[pastel narwhal]

when we getting resets?

[mighty haven]

you w0t mate

[rich quail]

Do you not want MUSCLE POWER?

[mighty haven]

Rosanna is pretty toned underneath the jacket

[rich quail]

I agree
She must even lift

[rich quail]

Whenever that is
I will reset Rosanna

And Mari

I have a strong feeling anni will be a reset opportunity

[pastel narwhal]

@umbral crown right here officer

[rich quail]

Oh SNAP

The cops

[pastel narwhal]

wee woo wee woo

[rich quail]

/me uses Rosie concealment

[solemn moth]

sigh im never gonna be cracked at arena

[rich quail]

S1 up to 10

https://tenor.com/view/lurking-creepyguy-plant-gif-11665121

[mighty haven]

Yay!

and I'm coming for you, whichever sniper

[umbral crown]

Imma reset him with a smack

[pastel narwhal]

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

u can’t see me

S1 Rosanna concealment at 10

[grizzled bone]

[solemn moth]

is this where i ask for arena teams or not?

[rustic bobcat]

Hi! I was wondering if someone's able to lend a little guidance on what kind of teams I should be running for SP Arena. I'm consistently hovering around the 20s on the ranking list and even though I'm a similar power level to players above me I'm losing pretty consistently

I have pretty much all the non-limited units except Milk, Moran, Rouge, alt Quency, Phantom and Rumani. Missing summer Neon, summer Helm, XAnne, winter Rupee, winter Mica and most of the collab units bar A2, Asuka, and Rei 🙏

Thanks in advance! ✨

[loud sonnet]

I think im gonna start earning rocks for cindy before i fix rosanna

[loud sonnet]

Only advice i can give is invest on s.anis
Preferably 10/10/9

[covert lintel]

getting sniped mean not whale enough

[mighty haven]

show me your C1 then

[graceful grotto]

but honestly why snipe between C3 and C1 hahahaha

[loud sonnet]

To avoid C4 i guess

[graceful grotto]

c4 can still attack c1 tho

[loud sonnet]

Oh ye

must be afraid of C5 and C6

[covert lintel]

C1 in my bracket have a level 510 above while other player around 430-450
so no one dared to atk him

[mighty haven]

Yeah, my main acc I'm C1 mainly due to C2 having unspoken truce with me, however anyone between C1-6 can be C1

Just they became more aggressive from last reset

I was off-line for 33 hours, needed the break

My NA alts both have a C1 that is 2x+ the CP of anyone else

Far more even spread on main, might start OLing my PvP units once I get my raid/campaign units sorted

[solemn moth]

I was wondering what are the available team comps with my current nikkes

[mighty haven]

is your La+ treasured?

[umbral crown]

Wise words

[solemn moth]

nope and its planning to be one

[umbral crown]

Whats your current defense

[mighty haven]

wut, you too

[umbral crown]

Im anti sniper

[mighty haven]

cook my pvp defense later then

[umbral crown]

Bros were having fun and left me alone at c1

[solemn moth]

wow i wish to be c1

[granite anchor]

any way to make my defense better or just more annoying? i have everything except xanne and my account is post makima.

Idk what to do with Rumani, not sure if i should put her over heavy invest B.Soda because i lose a lot of CP

I tried to cook with Ein but i don't think i can do it without making another team ass

[keen vapor]

Jackal gets burst energy out of skill 1. Not from the link itself

Since Poli does not have any skill that procs after receiving X attacks she will not generate any extra burst get

Is also worth to mention that Poli skill first activates after 30 seconds iirc (is shown under the skill 2 icon) so it basically will never take effect in PVP unlike Jackal one that specifies that procs at the start of the battle

[umbral crown]

If you can wish it, you can do it

[umbral crown]

Depends what Ein team you wanna make and how invested she is

[solemn moth]

is ein that good?

[umbral crown]

Yeah but is an unit not really used in pvp

And require 2 buffers

[solemn moth]

oh ok but ill plan investing her later for pve

[umbral crown]

Same as Ssakura

[granite anchor]

i'm open to anything to try tbh
she's 3 atk OL, 8/10/7, was thinking about upping skills because im using her for hard rn anyway

[umbral crown]

What was the first team you tried to cook

[umbral crown]

@keen vapor cook use your Freen powa

[keen vapor]

Where's Noah

[granite anchor]

Couldn't really settle on anything, probably because there isn't one
I was gonna use Noah/Biscuit/Emilia/RH/Maxwell for double buff emi and then blanc/ein/jackal team but i couldn't get another buffer in there and third team would be shambles

single blanc buff probably not enough

pvp needs another b1 buffer besides RH

[umbral crown]

You do not have X.Anne , right

And your sync maybe high

[granite anchor]

could do Ein/Sanis/Blanc/Jackal/Battery but giving all the feed...

no xanne, 368ish synchro or something

[umbral crown]

Rosanna invested?

[solemn moth]

sad i know if theoritically i have noah what would you do?

[granite anchor]

mid invest, 4/7/7 2 ATK

[keen vapor]

Noah biscuit summer anis cuz that is the only comp I know

I literally forgot about cooking after getting Noah

That's why I never realized I could use a 2 RL Noah team against Rosanna team @umbral crown

[keen vapor]

I'm noticing that you don't have Rapunzel either so Noah team will probably require clip SG units to make it fast enough