pvp-arena

[rustic sandal]

until i find SR to replace them

[umbral crown]

Waos

[rich quail]

@umbral crown I was thinking Blanc gets SR, Moran gets R doll

[waxen tartan]

dood its working

[rich quail]

My Scarlet already has SR doll

[umbral crown]

Waos

[umbral crown]

Thats a good call

[worthy knoll]

Then they will ask munch how to break the def he cooked

[umbral crown]

Then it would be munch vs munch

Or munch vs zixk

[rustic sandal]

guys I have 2 SR selectors which ones should I get ? rn I have SR dolls on sbs,rh, liter and crown

[rich quail]

Yeah I don’t have Moran set up yet but she will be easier to build up than others

[umbral crown]

Waos

Share some manu gear

[rich quail]

And Laplace

[umbral crown]

Personally i would choose Blanc and Jackal

[velvet sky]

meanwhile 8th flop in a row

[umbral crown]

SMG is the way

[worthy knoll]

Yeah easier.. mine is 10/10/10 with 4 def lines on OL

[umbral crown]

Birdie

[grizzled bone]

was there another collab annouced somewhere? I saw some comments about saving up for next collab

[velvet sky]

with their own new game iirc

[umbral crown]

Mighy be any time soon

[velvet sky]

i forgor the name stellar whats-it

blade

[umbral crown]

Stellar Blade

[rich quail]

I meant easier than the ones I have that only have 2 T9M gear

[grizzled bone]

ooooh right. Thanks, I felt like I was gas lighting myself for a minute

[umbral crown]

Soon 3k gems to burn on S.Anis banner or maybe rosy ocean

[rich quail]

I also have 160+ of the special items needed for Laplace’s treasure

[umbral crown]

Waos, go for it

[grizzled bone]

are you going for mlb?

[raven plover]

yes but still no real info, its just speculation
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[random granite]

Next collab is gonna be late August then collab then 2 small event -> 2nd anni. Pretty much a lot of time to saves

[umbral crown]

Rosy ocean is mlb, S.anis i judt have 1 copy

Saving for next year Rosy Ocran rerun to C7 her

[grizzled bone]

go for s anis she's more flexible

[rustic sandal]

S.anis sucked me dry. Took like 55k gems for 1 copy

[umbral crown]

Waos

[waxen tartan]

i dont think they are here

[rustic sandal]

i didnt get SSR for like 150 pulls

[velvet sky]

[umbral crown]

Could be a japanese with some english knowledge

[rich quail]

I’m at 70 pulls no S.Anis dupe

[rich quail]

They have language set to Chinese (it’s listed on the bottom right)

[umbral crown]

Oh

Chinese with some english knowledge

[rich quail]

Are there spies amongst us?

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Maybe

Well, see ya later

[grizzled bone]

👀

[rich quail]

Neon is totally not a spy

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

Back to campaign grinding
I need gems

For S.Anis

[worthy lake]

[random granite]

Should have stopped at 30 and accept ur luck

[rich quail]

NO

it’s for waifu

I have never seen so many core+ in one team

Winnable?

If I replace Noah with Blanc or some other buffer?

[velvet sky]

[rich quail]

I think his RH might B3 so that’s why I have Noah

I will prolly lose tho
Even though without the core+, these seem to be terrible choices for a pvp team

[worthy lake]

@umbral crown

[rich quail]

Screw it I will try it FOR SCIENCE

[random granite]

Basically his team will never burst, just a high cp team

[rich quail]

Yeah, a paper tiger basically

I think I played him a while back with cp penalty and without Rosie 10 burst, and I did not have the same result

[worthy lake]

Attack roster ok ?

[rich quail]

Why does opponent have 2 resurrect units on t2?

[worthy lake]

Easy beat I guess ?

30% cp buff

[rich quail]

I’m not good at making teams, but I don’t think you have any matchup problems in this one

[worthy lake]

I won, u are right mate

But t2 my noir died first before burst

90% dmg from sbs

[rich quail]

What’s funny, and I learned by accident

Let’s say you kill his Scarlet somehow before burst

Even if Scarlet revives and bursts afterwards, she loses stack and hits very weakly

[worthy lake]

@umbral crown the guy beaten my current def team in 3 attempts, I using your def team you cooked now.

[worthy lake]

No problem my noah burst faster than his scarlet

[gaunt viper]

so I ended up trying it anyway, here was the result

[rich quail]

God bless that last update

[worthy knoll]

Scarlet die, Rapu resu Scar, XAnne buffs Scar.. if only one, like XAnne, XAnne will resu scar but no atk buff from her

[crystal flicker]

Devs pls make arena ban system

[rich quail]

Ah, okay… I guess that makes sense but still I feel both could be better utilized on different teams

[worthy knoll]

Also linked Scar and linked Rapu could make some upsets if they kill Scar but not Rapu coz low hp Rapu will stun then

[worthy knoll]

Well even if they didn't kill Scar, the stun can upset the fight once Rapu bursts at low hp

[rich quail]

Yeah, I figure the likelihood of Scarlet dying is low with Jackal link, unless someone brute forces by CP difference

But I don’t know much about what Rapunzel can do when low HP besides 1 sec stun

[worthy knoll]

Kinda an anti Rosanna too, though usually they should have run it with their own Rosanna instead of Centi, though that is fine if they are confident on their Rapu's survivability

[coarse lake]

imo running scar xanne without a rosanna is asking to get hard countered

I love finding those scarlet comps, easiest to counter, and it's even easier now with noah burst gen buff

free win

tbf it's hard to make a scar jack that's hard to counter without using noah or blanc, but at least use a high invest rosanna to create a big threat if using a different B2

[rich quail]

I tried using this but I have Rosanna at 7/10/10 with 4 lines atk (44%)

[coarse lake]

in that comp you can use xanne yeah

[rich quail]

I would if I had her, but I have to use Anis instead

[coarse lake]

I'm in the same boat

I'm not bothering with such a comp since unable to invest into rosanna

so one of my teams use bay, they can get a win there, but they can't figure out any others

focusing my best units on 2 teams instead of spreading them thin, that's my strat rn

waiting for better b2 options for pvp

[rich quail]

Yeah, I was struggling to have 3 hard-to-beat teams on DEF until I invested in Rosanna

But for my previous def pre-Rosanna investment, people with lower CP were still having problems figuring out what to do (I was asking for help to set lineup here)

Now I don’t worry unless I go aggressive and take C10 (because then I have to worry about people with much higher CP than my squad attacking me)

[mint fog]

Have trouble bursting earlier (getting caught by Noah's invul).
Centi not available, should I slot in Anis?

[worthy lake]

This is a hard attack tho, possible to attack t2 & t3 and skip this ?

[mint fog]

t3 win, t2 is too big a cp difference imo.

T2

[coarse lake]

Replace Bscar with a clip RL

[spiral onyx]

@worn field I honestly dont know how you deal with people all day in and out

[final wedge]

lemme guess....the guy didnt read it?

i mean the one u reply on the post

[worthy lake]

Many guys didnt read it especially having maintenance/patch and they will question their existence

[crystal flicker]

EN can't read, never.

[graceful grotto]

ein don't have much counters in PVP?

[misty oyster]

Some people are obsessed with rankings lol. Just to take his second place back.

[copper creek]

def taunt + biscuit, the same way u would sbs

[copper creek]

oh so it worked? nice

not sure why the centi ver didnt work but eh

[copper creek]

in general, if u see a noah - match speed or run a bit slower with blanc + emilia + rh - usually does the trick

or if that noah is fast, doublebuff scarjack

[copper creek]

its not "paper" if u get cp gapped by it
at lower syncs thats a legit strategy because ... it works 🤣

[copper creek]

\o/ nice!

[copper creek]

interestingly both of these situations already happened

[onyx scaffold]

It is about sending a message

[river thunder]

Someone hates me so much

[thorn crest]

My server too lazy to build team since all can just 2 win each other

[copper creek]

def is generally hopeless case

[thorn crest]

[copper creek]

which def r u using bro ahahah

a def working twice at ur sync is already surprising enough to me

[thorn crest]

They 1 sync rotation below me

401++

[devout falcon]

Bro his name

Nikke not even trying

[copper creek]

so i cant say drunk in my profile msg but ppl can put that as ign. interesting

[thorn crest]

[devout falcon]

World we live in

[worthy lake]

@umbral crown Your defense comp

Which he figured out, in a harsh way

[worldly edge]

roster has increased by a bit. can I get recommended teams for rookie and special arena?

and just pulled milk

[rich quail]

Oogh
Played up to 30-9 in normal campaign
Only have 1000 gems so far
And I still have to go through hard campaign afterwards

Just to get another 10 pull for S.Anis

[worthy lake]

You have 1 copy right ?

[rich quail]

All the gemming

I guess you gotta change the locks again

[rich quail]

I have no dupes of her, just the character

[worthy lake]

Yes I need to change again, @umbral crown waiting for 2nd cook please

[worthy lake]

Since you have 1 copy of s.anis & with your gem amount , I suggest you to just move on & saveup for another future banner

The 2% dupe is not worth your current gem

[rich quail]

I would like to at least get two copies of her to also increase bond level to 30

Because she is my most invested character, but I do have my limits I admit

I have 473 gold tickets for collab/2nd anniversary

I probably will save the tickets for now

[worthy lake]

Hmm my personal advice to you , based on your current situation you have no choice & you have to move on but its your call.

Your 473 gold tix save it for collab / 2nd ann / christmas / new year

[rich quail]

I think as long as I don’t use the gold tickets and keep earning them for each pull on S.Anis banner, I think I’ll be okay

Collab is probably much higher priority because those characters never come back, and that is next month

Most likely 2 characters

When collab hits and S.Anis banner is gone, I’ll hoard any gems and tickets I get from then until anniv

Thanks for giving me insights @worthy lake

I was tempted to use those gold tickets many times, I admit

[worthy lake]

Your decision mate

[worthy lake]

gold ticket must plan wisely

I spent gold tix on 1 copy s.helm , shes situational SR for my usage

So, plan wisely will do

[copper creek]

"with this, you can solve just about anything"

[worthy lake]

[copper creek]

@velvet sky jesus ur hours 🤣

[velvet sky]

yeah I’m finally going to eep…only now but i also actually figured out sarariman’s plan bc he’s 372>379 now, so he 100% aims for 381 in hopes that it will finally help him get rid of me

(it won’t, I’m very annoying )

[spiral onyx]

Not necessarily. A protected, invested and double buffed Eins can still take down a Defender-Biscuit-SAnis team

[rich quail]

okane ga nai yo

[spiral onyx]

if its Moran-Biscuit-SAnis, no, cause Moran is just OP

but any other defender, yes

Wait, wtf happened here. 20mil crit???

Something is up with the math, I think they screwed up Ein's calculations. She's not supposed to nuke that hard with her burst lol

Ok yeah 14mil non crit. This is actually 1 shot tier. Something is up with the math

I have one 11.81% OL atk line

561503 base atk * 300.02% burst multiplier * (100% + 70.12% S1 self atk buff + 11.81% OL atk line + 77.55% RH B1 atk buff) * (100% + 55.3% Burst true dmg buff) * (100% + 39.26% Blanc burst debuff) = 9,453,748

9,453,748 * 150% Full Burst multiplier = 14,180,622 dmg

14,180,622 dmg / 561503 base atk = 2525%

G fken g

Ein's AoE burst hit is delayed and calculates with the Full Burst multiplier

making her AoE nuke also capable of 1-shotting

I have to revise my analysis lmao

[devout falcon]

Holy

[pastel narwhal]

[spiral onyx]

ok, actually, this is kinda big

I think its a bug cause other AoE nukers dont calculate with the 1.5x Full Burst multiplier applied

but Ein does, resulting in the AoE nuke part of her Burst hitting almost the same as Maiden/MPrivaty/etc.

CC @blissful willow @worn field I have to rewrite my analysis

[copper creek]

oh dear

[crystal flicker]

S tier bug

[copper creek]

not bug

or is it intended, idek

cuz the nuke doesnt hit for a while - when it hits, it gets 1.5x fb multiplier

hmmmmmmmmmmmmM

f it i can 7/7/7 her and try it myself

[crystal flicker]

Either way, it's benefit her

[copper creek]

my worry is if SU says its not intended then patch (nerf) her is all

[crystal flicker]

Probably next update if it's really a bug

[blissful willow]

1.5 applied and all her self buffs as well, including her true damage buff and her atk buff

It's not a bug is just intended

Or well, I don't if it is
But it happens

[umbral crown]

Waos

[spiral onyx]

None of the other AoE nukers get the 1.5x multiplier

but I guess its because those are instant nuke

[blissful willow]

B.soda

[spiral onyx]

and Ein's is a delayed nuke

[spiral onyx]

orly?

[blissful willow]

Yeah, she gets her atk buff iirc
Not sure about fbm

[spiral onyx]

in either case, this makes her very viable as an AoE nuker

[blissful willow]

So her nuke has her 60% atk buff

[blissful willow]

Extremely diluted tho
So with double buff maiden should be better I believe

[spiral onyx]

The math puts the two at roughly the same percentage

but Maiden has nothing post-burst to follow up with

[blissful willow]

Even with double buff?

[spiral onyx]

whereas Ein has her feathers

[blissful willow]

Yeah, that's true

[spiral onyx]

yeah, its crazy

[blissful willow]

Ein has crazy follow up

[spiral onyx]

Ein has two attack angles

if the nuke is blocked by Noah, its ok

3 seconds later, lazer spam

Maiden et al dont have that

and if the enemy team runs Noise and the AoE nuke fails, its over for Maiden

[blissful willow]

Iirc the problem i saw was that Moran + bisc shut down her feathers, but I hadn't upgraded her burst much

[spiral onyx]

but Ein just says "cleanup time, send in the Funnels"

[umbral crown]

Go for it, should be fine

[spiral onyx]

She does, but it doesn't matter if her AoE nuke lands and kills everyone else

so if anything, she is above all other AoE nukers

the two exceptions are SAnis and Scarlet

SAnis cause she is self sustained and, as a supporter, tankier against enemy AoE nukers

Scarlet cause, like Ein, Scarlet has multiple attack angles - 1) AoE nuke, and 2) S2 counter hits, and 3) extremely high single target DPS during Full Burst

Im hesitant to put her at SAnis/Scarlet level though cause she needs babysitting still, but I'm bumping her up out of the A tier cause of this

[glacial lion]

[spiral onyx]

Moran-Biscuit-SAnis is a counter, but it requires Moran and SAnis to be fully invested so SAnis can heal back up fast, and it requires Ein to not crit lol

so its a soft counter, not a hard counter

ugh, now I have to redo my analysis posts and everything

[umbral crown]

[blissful willow]

As it stands
I want to find a spot for scarlet that isn't with Rosanna lol

I genuinely need a less resource heavy, blanc less scarlet team that actually cooks

[umbral crown]

Waos

[umbral crown]

Will give you some comps in like 1 h or so

[devout falcon]

Out of bay, rosy and moran who do you guys think is most wishlist worthy purely for PvP

[spiral onyx]

I really dont like either Blanc or Rosanna. Too conditional, can sometimes be unreliable in the flow of the fight

[devout falcon]

Or is that roster dependent

[crystal flicker]

Moran probably, Rosanna has very special use to counter certain comp, or Nuke after high investment

[worthy lake]

[devout falcon]

Ok thanks

[spiral onyx]

ok, so Eins can be countered by Noah-Biscuit combo. This counters both her AoE aspect AND her continual damage aspect.

But thats, you know, a pretty expensive counter lol

[coarse basalt]

[spiral onyx]

Scarlet gets countered by the same thing

SAnis kinda might get around it since only 1 of the 2 missiles gets taunted

[copper creek]

scarlet just noah or blanc could do in a lot of situations

[spiral onyx]

Emilia gets around it cause she AoE nukes everyone, taunt doesn't matter

[rich quail]

A lot of the YouTubers were saying how insane a half-invested Ein’s PvE damage was on average with a buffer (they mostly used S.Anis or Crown as buffers). Literally a 5/5/5 Ein was doing as much as a fully-invested S.Anis from what they were saying

Maybe it’s a bug, but maybe it’s design… who knows

[spiral onyx]

She does do a lot of damage, but for PvP its a bit different. Cause we dont care about "damage" so to speak, but rather "killing the enemy target"

[worthy lake]

Your drake build ?

[spiral onyx]

SAnis excels in this aspect cause she focus fires the top 2 priority targets

[worthy lake]

Good insight there

[spiral onyx]

a lot of units will "out-DPS" SAnis, but SAnis goes in for the kill for the targets that matter

[spiral onyx]

7/7/7 or something, I dunno, its just a bit of extra atk buff

generic battery that gives a bit of team support, aka Drake and Noir

[rich quail]

Yeah, I saw that with Ein, in any mode she won’t be as potent until she bursts, and has buffs. But it’s interesting to see your video and witnessing such crit damage

[spiral onyx]

but man, with Ein here and Noah getting double burst gen, Champion Arena cooking is looking good

[worthy lake]

👍

[spiral onyx]

Lemme rerun the numbers again so we have some good math comparisons

Maiden with Red Hood + XAnne:

457.87% base attack multiplier * 2 * (100% atk + 77.55% RH atk buff + 77.22% XAnne atk buff + 26.66% Maiden self atk buff) = 2577%

MPrivaty with Red Hood + XAnne:

1066.66% base attack multiplier * (100% atk + 77.55% RH atk buff + 77.2% XAnne atk buff) = 2717%

Harran with Red Hood + XAnne:

999% base attack multiplier * (100% atk + 77.55% RH atk buff + 77.2% XAnne atk buff) = 2545%

BSoda with Red Hood + Blanc:

628.7% base attack multiplier * (100% atk + 77.55% RH atk buff + 65.25% BSoda atk buff) * (100% base + 39.26% Blanc damage taken debuff) = 2126%

Ein with Red Hood + Blanc:

300.02% base atk multiplier * (100% atk + 77.55% RH atk buff + 70.12% Ein self atk buff) * (100% base + 55.3% Ein self True Damage buff) * (100% base + 39.26% Blanc damage taken debuff) * (100% base + 50% Full Burst bonus) = 2411%

[lunar dirge]

i'm sad that i only have 500 gms rn

[raven plover]

ein missiles gone if she dies?

[spiral onyx]

So Ein's AoE nuke is indeed slightly weaker than Maiden/MPrivaty/Harran's. But she has a very strong follow-up damage which makes up for it

[rich quail]

It’s interesting because although the potential reward is so high for Ein, currently she needs a Blanc and a Jackal, and units to buff her, so you have to take from other solid teams to make an Ein team

Which is good and bad, depending on how many other characters you have that are pvp worthy

Champion Arena really is gonna test how good you are at making teams

[spiral onyx]

yup, I think of this as "Ein needs babysitting to shine"

[copper creek]

that latter point - sp.arena could be that too, but, everyone has zixk/rosy/me (or their CN/JP/KR server's equivalents) in their pocket, so 😂

[spiral onyx]

I wont be sharing my Champion Arena cooking publicly til after Season 1 is over btw

[rich quail]

Yeah if it wasn’t for you all, I’d still be begging for help at /NikkeMobile on reddit

[lunar dirge]

i might go full on pvp after i can guarantee myself top 3% in sr

[spiral onyx]

been cooking for like half a year already

[rich quail]

I had to run through 60 min of campaign to get 1000 gems today

[spiral onyx]

Ein just replaced Maiden in my setup though, but I'm still stuck on an unreliable Team 5, we just dont have enough units

[lunar dirge]

being blueballed for 4 month in top 5% cuz you lack 2 characters isn't fun

[copper creek]

thank you for doing that lol

please protect/help your union & friends first tbh

[spiral onyx]

that said, if Champion Arena is not level syncd it wont matter lol

[glacial lion]

i think there will be new banner around jackal/biscuit tier when champion arena come

[lunar dirge]

we don't even have information about champion arena,and they might move it too

[copper creek]

idk i just think it makes sense to take care of union/friends first, i dont think we owe it to the public to help everyone who asks

[rich quail]

Yeah we totally understand @spiral onyx

You have helped with so many guides and vids, but you gotta keep the trade secrets on some things

[spiral onyx]

Im counting on that to fix my team 5. Currently its just a boring "it works but has no gimmicks or fallbacks" team that can be easily countered

[copper creek]

on this anyway

[rich quail]

A lot of us newer players are just starting our 3rd team

[spiral onyx]

I'll actually share this one cause its so boring/plain actually

[copper creek]

i dont think your CA teams are relevant to 99.9% of people here

refer to this one that you've just shared for example , i wonder how many people have sufficient invest on xmica & mpriv

[lunar dirge]

or just have them

[spiral onyx]

There's a lot of old datamined info, we just dont know how drastically they will change the release version from it

[spiral onyx]

yup, which is why I dont mind sharing it'

[copper creek]

zixk and i (independently of each other, to prevent any misunderstandings for lurkers) are trying to find some CA teams that would work for pve box

[spiral onyx]

but its currently the "weakest" comp of the 5 atm cause its got nothing special going for it. Just run Noah/Noise/Moran or even Scarlet-Jackal and its countered

[copper creek]

idk how thats coming along for zixk, but i am making ... not much headway lol

[spiral onyx]

all the other teams have two or more facets to it. Like Eins here

[copper creek]

yea

i have 3 teams i like, 1 im barely okay with, 5th idk what im going to do with that

[glad meteor]

Are we assuming ca is 5v5?

[copper creek]

we KNOW it is

[glad meteor]

Oh, I missed out, when did you find out

[devout falcon]

[glacial lion]

i think it will be same with new intercept mode and overclock, not put everyone at same lvl at the same time but there will be a lvl cap

[copper creek]

idk im just looking forward to CA so i can test my cooks

[rich quail]

I just hope that there will be more mats in general to help us build our 4th and 5th teams

At least Overclock will finally start soon

[glad meteor]

Fair, good luck

[copper creek]

but i cant imagine how many times we'll end up copypasting "We will not help teambuilding for Champion's Arena. Please enjoy the new game mode, best of luck xoxo."

[coarse basalt]

i rather bet for someone than join in the fight

[copper creek]

that was actually one of the ideas i floated in a previous conversation

imagine if champions' arena was all the sp.arena c1s fighting each other

[rich quail]

Just make a /ChampionArena section of this Discord, pin said message, don’t allow anyone to post

[glad meteor]

lol, for sure. That’s hell. We’ll need some content creator to show
Targetting
Meta units Dps,survivability,burst gen battery
And hope they fix residual lol

[rich quail]

[glacial lion]

we still need time to learn this mode

[copper creek]

and everyone gets reward based on how their "Champion" did

[coarse basalt]

Imagine they get all challengers each bracket

[lunar dirge]

it's ass

[copper creek]

i would actually be down for this mode - maybe not as a permanent thing because it alienates too many people, but as a playtest, could be fun

[coarse basalt]

Or top3

[spiral onyx]

We know it was. No one knows what the final version will be

[rich quail]

Yeah I think they would playtest with a beta, like OC Mode for Simulation Room

It would make sense

[spiral onyx]

I did not know that was a thing

[copper creek]

huh

i think u just forgot brother 😂

sim room overclock sync was always capped to 400

[spiral onyx]

I thought Intercept and Overclock had fixed levels

[coarse basalt]

Not fix lvl, just max cap

[copper creek]

special intercept is locked to 200
overclock is your level, unless you're over 400, then you're capped to 400
anomaly intercept is same as overclock

[spiral onyx]

I see... yeah, I was 400+ long ago so yeah...

[copper creek]

yeah fair point, sorry i forgot about that

[spiral onyx]

I am all for level caps/forced sync though

makes things more interesting

[copper creek]

imagine champions arena, but sync locked to 60

🙂

[spiral onyx]

60 would be dumb

5 teams of 5 MGs

[copper creek]

5 teams of 5 MGs and SGs lets gooo

[spiral onyx]

fights be over in like 2 seconds

[copper creek]

bursts not necessary, lets gooooo

[lunar dirge]

(emma)

[spiral onyx]

whoever has higher recycling room lmao

[copper creek]

no but i think it could be funny

imagine, each season has a different level lock

so one season could be 60, one season 600, one season 250, who knows

[lunar dirge]

5 mg teams=emma+jackal viable

[copper creek]

that would be super funny because then you cant just perma run the same team forever

[copper creek]

so that sorts out one team, how about the rest

[lunar dirge]

biscuit defender maybe

[glacial lion]

cuz low lvl end fight before full burst while high lvl req 2 atk buffer to nuke?

[copper creek]

yes
low level is just run all your MGs and SGs
mid level one buffer nukes are viable
high level... you know
keripo sync level has its own fun nuances too

[rich quail]

Viper > Emma
(I think that’s how the commercial went)

[copper creek]

point is (you guys know, im saying this for lurkers) - for each season, you would have to recook

[rich quail]

What if they had OC Arena
Where you got handicaps and you had to plan your teams around them

That’d be messed up, but some vets may love it

[spiral onyx]

Yeah, at my synchro (which is now lvl 756, aka effectively the level cap), stuff like Viper-Rosanna sac strat doesn't work anymore.

[copper creek]

i quit the game and chargeback all my transactions if they do that

the bugs in this game is enough of handicap

[copper creek]

...................................

[spiral onyx]

Viper: laughs in Treasure

[copper creek]

at sync lv 756 ? i would be surprised if u even had anybody to fight ...

[lunar pawn]

What if CA introduces actual whiff percentages not just for normal RL attacks, but all damaging skills as well

[copper creek]

i crash a truck into their office

[spiral onyx]

the above test was done with my guildie after I told him to pop all his boxes lol

[copper creek]

like im guessing you might have 2-3 people to fight at best

i cant imagine any more than that 😂

[spiral onyx]

we've just been hoarding boxes for a while, then did the math and realized we overhoarded

[lunar pawn]

That's already a lot

[rich quail]

What if Shift Up fixed the cs bug, the rl whiff bug, and the residual targeting bug at the launch of CA?

…

…

[copper creek]

i used to be a dreamer too

[rich quail]

Dare to dream, baby

[lunar pawn]

2 years cooking CA, but that is too complicated to solve fr fr

[spiral onyx]

https://enikk.app/sync/na
On NA, should just be 3 others, 2 of which are in my guild

Global has ~5 potential 750+s
JP has over 20
KR has ~7
SEA has none lol

[crystal flicker]

I just hope there will be Nikke BAN(s) every week, so you need to actually cook your team

[spiral onyx]

even TW has 2

[hard niche]

I’m having a problem with pvp attack and defense team.
What is a good line up for attack and defense with my nikkes? Thank you.

[copper creek]

is there any backlog above thats not cleared?

[copper creek]

im surprised NA only has 4 tbh
i expected NA to be the land of spendthrift wallet 😂

[rich quail]

Preferably this truck
(the protest truck Chinese players parked at SU HQ to protest the handling of favorite items)

[spiral onyx]

naw, this is expected. Its usually always CN > JP > KR > NA > EU > SEA

[spiral onyx]

lmao, wait, what happened?

[copper creek]

yeah, exactly
i thought NA would have more than 4 if global has 5

JP/KR is different realm, naturally

[rich quail]

This was a while back when favorite items were announced

[spiral onyx]

lmao

[copper creek]

im just glad someone caught the reference 😂

[rich quail]

It caused SU to reduce the amt of dupes needed to get treasures from 3 to 2

• still a pain to get them tho

[spiral onyx]

ok, I sleep now, 5:30am. Was supposed to sleep like 2hrs ago but then Ein cooking

[rich quail]

sleep well

[worthy lake]

@umbral crown I tag here my latest roster for your reference

[copper creek]

take care brotha, enjoy your week

[worthy lake]

Have a good rest

[copper creek]

tbh if u only lose to one guy probably not worth swapping def

especially one guy, who will spend that much gem, at that

[spiral onyx]

Btw, I think I did testing during BSoda's release and compared numbers and confirmed she gets her atk buff but not the Full Burst Mode buff. So Ein I think is a special case atm

[worthy lake]

He solved the attack comp for my def comp is impossible to remain the same comp, plan to change it to brainwash him

[worthy lake]

If I remain same comp he will use back the same attack comp that he solved previously

I will do that if I am him

[copper creek]

yea, and if u change ur def, the second he sees it, he's just gonna spend gem to knock u down as fast as he can

[worthy lake]

That is the plan

[copper creek]

i would rather fail to defend against one dude rather than show your hand to everyone else who can touch me, personally

but thats just me, if u really want, hm..

[worthy lake]

[crystal flicker]

yeah

[copper creek]

nvm im lazy to cook

someone else can do it

[rich quail]

less than 2 days until season over

@worthy lake make him waste those gems for your entertainment

[crystal flicker]

I change my defend, everyone attack me lol

[worthy lake]

My plan is to make him waste gem, theres no other competitor currently

[worthy lake]

So far he spent 1300 gems on me

[rich quail]

I could use those gems…
How wasteful

[worthy lake]

My server rank 8 above are sleeping player

I am among the "used to be" the sleeping player

[copper creek]

sp - def :
scarlet/noir/liter/x.anne/jackal
blanc/emilia/rh/b.soda/drake
noah/noise/s.anis/biscuit/rapunzel

min. invest :
emilia - 4/7/7
s.anis - 7/7/9 (mandatory) // 10/10/9 (ideal)
s.anis - resilience cube
x.anne - burst to 4

quantum cube on anis, centi, jackal.
vigor cube on noise, biscuit, rapunzel

tempering cube (not urgent, take your time with this) at your own discretion, priority: noah > blanc > other def taunters & units as required.

i do not advise running def teams on atk.
atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order.

[crystal flicker]

What sleeping player?

[worthy lake]

Mean never play pvp / neutral / remain that spot

[crystal flicker]

Oh ye

[worthy lake]

I just aim the challenger 7 because 2400 gem thats it

[rich quail]

Yeah I see at least 4 in my group that are at D4, who could easily go to challenger but just sit there

[worthy lake]

Not greedy

[crystal flicker]

I used to be that at #3, but someone just outlevel me and now I'm sitting at #9 lol

[worthy lake]

Brace yourself the next reset

[rich quail]

I was finally at C10 but got booted in 20 min

Because CP too low

[copper creek]

seems like no backlog since the last time i came

ok i sleep then

[worthy lake]

You suggest I stop changing my def team ?

[crystal flicker]

Planning to wait till like 5 minutes b4 limit

[copper creek]

i wouldnt personally bother myself
but up to you

if u just have one target then i can understand why

[worthy lake]

I want to make him mad

[rich quail]

Gnight @copper creek

[copper creek]

i understand tbh
not hating on it, i change my def teams 2-3x/day too lol
just definitely not worth it for most people

[worthy lake]

That is the plan

[copper creek]

kk take care all

[worthy lake]

Most likely is the last cook , tomorrow is the last day

[lunar pawn]

Wait, Chinese players drove a truck with a Japanese message to HQ in Korea?

[copper creek]

they commissioned a truck yea🤣

[rich quail]

As ridiculous as that sounds, it’s all true

[copper creek]

not the first time either

[rich quail]

The whales

they have feelings

don’t anger the whales

or you may feel the wrath

[worthy lake]

I dont think he whale, low dupes count , 10 costumes, SR frame 1-2

[rich quail]

I’m talking about the people who sent a truck to SU headquarters 😂

[worthy lake]

Aaaah

Whhoops

[spiral onyx]

I asked around about this, turns out it was just a group of stray SJWs who don't actually play the game and just wanted to get famous lol

[copper creek]

werent u going to sleep brotha 🤣

[rich quail]

That’s seriously 99% of the people out there

Probably the same species who started the whole Stellar Blade censorship movement

I take that back… those people actually wanted Stellar Blade

Those are the 1%

[umbral crown]

Scarlet/Blanc/Emilia/Liter/Jackal
Noah/Rapunzel/S.Anis/Biscuit/Centi
Crown/SBS/Red Hood/Noir/Drake

will also prepare another cook in case 1000 gems are enough for him to break this defense

[twin pier]

rosanna good for scarlet team?

like jackal/xanne/centi/rosanna

[hard niche]

Wow thank you for this!

[umbral crown]

si but jackal msut not be in P1 because rosanna needs to burst

[copper creek]

also rosabanana requires high invest

[umbral crown]

another cook:
Noah/Rapuznel/S.Anis/Biscuit/Noise
Blanc/Emilia/Red Hood/Sugar/Drake
Scarlet/X.Anne/Centi/Noir/Jackal

save this cook as well

[worthy lake]

Saved both of your cooks

[umbral crown]

Cool, you have a gemmer as a rival

[worthy lake]

Tomorrow is the last day, not sure will he still hustle after the reset

But I will rotate your cooks

[worthy lake]

YOur cook no.2 have repeated blanc

[warped copper]

I need to build 3 teams for SP Arena. I don't have xAnne and I got frustrated

[copper creek]

sp - def :
jackal/scarlet/scalter/poli/noir
blanc/emilia/rh/laplace+/centi
noah/noise/s.anis/biscuit/rapunzel

min. invest - ping me if u dont satisfy these :
laplace+
emilia - 4/7/7
s.anis - 7/7/9 (mandatory) // 10/10/9 (ideal)
s.anis - resilience cube
poli - burst to 4

quantum cube on anis, centi, jackal.
vigor cube on noise, biscuit, rapunzel

tempering cube (not urgent, take your time with this) at your own discretion, priority: noah > blanc > other def taunters & units as required.

i do not advise running def teams on atk.
atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order.

[umbral crown]

let me edit

edited

[worthy lake]

Noise not used in this comp ?

Oh saw it

Oh you changed t1

[umbral crown]

testing something different

[worthy lake]

Noise-less

[umbral crown]

to see how it works

[worthy lake]

t3 highest cp

followed by t1 then t2

[umbral crown]

you can also move teams around and have weakest one be the first

[worthy lake]

weakest you mean pos12345 , pos1 ?

[warped copper]

my laplace doesn't have SSR doll atm, should I change to other character?

[unique wagon]

Ngl those are weak teams

For a nearly complete set or actually fully complete

T2 is very annoying but Ive been facing the same team and winning

Wait hang on

Its the same exact same team as the one in my pvp

Actually 2 of these

Perhaps the person is here then

@copper creek know anyone called Spanda around here?

[copper creek]

this is

sorta the standard def team that zixk and i recommend to ppl with pve box

and yeah every def team is weak if u know what u're doing lol, the thing is u're up against casuals who dont know as much as any of the regular contributors do

[unique wagon]

@worn field @copper creek so u guys recommended this to someone in my pvp

[copper creek]

it just has to work against them

if the person asking is up against zixk, or me, or you, of course absolutely nothing is gonna work anyway

[copper creek]

and yes - if u see those exact teams

most likely its me or him

[unique wagon]

Nah its a good def, tried a few times to figure it out

[coarse basalt]

Nothing unbreakable anyways

except CP and synchro padding

[copper creek]

anyway,

idk how many fights is just one of zixk/munch/rosy/nesso/eon vs. same guy or another one from the list

[unique wagon]

Hmm, if anyone recognizes Spanda, let me know

Spanda from Union Indo101

[copper creek]

try search the uid in #commander-ids

[umbral crown]

nope, i mean if the 3 teams i gave you 3rd team is the highest cp you can move whole team to your defense 2 team, no need to be same order of teams like i wrote

[lunar pawn]

They should've asked to take pictures of them next to the truck then that'd be funny

[umbral crown]

for example my highest team is Team 2 but i can move that team to team 1 and keep moving around to fool them

[worthy lake]

OK understand you mean swapping around t1t2t3

[umbral crown]

yeah

[copper creek]

sorry just ran the math

your laplace is fine where she is, persist

[unique wagon]

Can u look up 02751454 on pc on mobile it doesnt work

No hits ig not here

He prolly just posted ss

[copper creek]

ya cant find on my end either, ps @@

[unique wagon]

Whoever thought of puttijng Laplace and Emil together I hate u it hurts lmao

[copper creek]

we love u too 🤣

[rich fiber]

Any thoughts on a Blanc/Ein/Red Hood/Centi/Emilia team for defense in SP arena? Rocket heavy teams should get Ein indom. Shot gun teams should cause an Emilia indom. This would free up biscuit for S. Anis....

[copper creek]

sshibal i wanted to help clear commcord backlog a little

dropped my phone while crossing the road and wrecked the screen slightly. guess im going for a drink instead

[unique wagon]

Attack SG doesnt aim for P5

[rich fiber]

Got it mixed up with snipers, back to the drawing board. Ty ty

[unique wagon]

Does Emilia charge speed factor in S1 too? But doesnt that take effect after a shot is fired?

[lunar dirge]

still should be enough

[unique wagon]

I wonder if I shud try to get 21% on SBS Maiden Emil Blanc Jackal team.

21% will make it 2.5RL*

[lunar dirge]

the faster it is,the harder it is to defend(although noah is now way faster too)

[unique wagon]

Its for defense

Ure saying it backfires for defense?

[lunar dirge]

defend against,harder to counter i mean

[unique wagon]

I mean I can try to reset attributes this

[brittle moat]

need help for sp arena teams, will get sanis soon

[unique wagon]

And up S1 to 7

[lunar dirge]

up s.anis to 7/7/9 to use her properly

[brittle moat]

rip i only have enough for 4/4/4 rn unless i reset someone

no budget lvls?

[lunar dirge]

s.anis must br 7/7/9 for pvp

that's minimum

[brittle moat]

aight

[lunar dirge]

no jackal?

[brittle moat]

yeap

[lunar dirge]

how invested is moran?

[brittle moat]

5/5/5

2 ol

can ol the other gears too but need fodder

[lunar dirge]

blanc/emi/rh/biscuit/tia,noah/liter/centi/mpriv/noir,noise.poli/rapunzel/s.anis(for future)/drake

ask zixk before procced tho

not sure myself

[brittle moat]

welp ill put it in defense team for now

[lunar dirge]

if you had jackal,ot would've been way easier

[brittle moat]

yeah i didnt put jackal in my starting wl prolly why i dont have her yet

[copper creek]

i walked into a bar and they told me they close in 15min

[lunar dirge]

speedrun it

[copper creek]

Cheers friends!!!!!!

ill clear backlog after i get something to eat

[summer copper]

Were you drunk for the last pic?

[copper creek]

u're drunk

[lunar dirge]

also,is that an egg on a first pic?

[copper creek]

u're an egg

but yes cuz some drinks use eggwhite

[lunar dirge]

i'm nor

i'm a

https://tenor.com/view/licht-bach-licht-bach-1000-yard-stare-1000-quote-stare-gif-2673659288897126752

[umbral crown]

waos

[copper creek]

i need to drink slower on an empty stomach........

anyway

[copper creek]

sorry my search on mobile a bit iffy, did we give u a def team before?

[copper creek]

7/7/9 is the budget
ideally 10109

whats ur emi invest?

[brittle moat]

7/7/7

got new units including sanis so lf for updates

[copper creek]

to ensure i dont give u same thing, whats ur current def?

sorry mobile search is ... lol

[brittle moat]

brb opeming game

found it dis was the old team

and this was your old reply

[copper creek]

hm

[misty valve]

Came here a bit ago for teams but I’ve got more since and was hoping someone could help with a rookie arena team and 3 teams for sp

[lunar dirge]

blanc/emi/rh/biscuit/tia,noah/liter/centi/mpriv/noir,noise.poli/rapunzel/s.anis(for future)/drake,i did some of my cooking,is it viable?

[copper creek]

i look at it when i get home bro

night goes on

[lunar dirge]

also,liter+emi shouldn't be viable cuz the buff is too short

[copper creek]

yea i learnt that after i cooked that squad 🥲😅

that or i cooked that when they were rh-less and just wanted to scare enemy (cuz most ppl didnt know at the time)

one or the other i dont remember cuz i know i did fair share of both

[tranquil lintel]

why is pvp the best way to get gems for a f2p ?

i didnt get any meaningful amount of gems from pvp since the beginning

[brittle moat]

sp arena, i dont think its the best tho

[copper creek]

sp arena - if you know what you're doing, it's 3k gem per 2 weeks

which is far better than even SR lol

[copper creek]

its the best as long as u arent matched with a bunch of megaleviathans

[tranquil lintel]

you can get a good amount at any progression or only for endgame ?

[brittle moat]

you are stuck with whoever is in the same server as you so you all progress together

[copper creek]

3k per season for c1-3
2.7k per season for 4-6
7-10 is 2.4

[brittle moat]

pray there isnt too many whales that have 100plus levels up on you

[tranquil lintel]

k ty

[prime cloud]

Can I get help setting up some def for sp arena? my acc is very new so I have minimal investments I have skill ups to lvl4 only as far as privaty either for their core skill or entire kit and only my sbs has skill 1 at lvl7

Also any suggestions on how to deal with alice on def, I've noticed I lose to teams with her a few times now even with cp adv?

[rich quail]

I finally beat my SP bully
He kept picking on me any time I was ahead in ranking and beat me 8 times straight, but I finally beat him using strats that I learned from here
Thank you @copper creek and @umbral crown for teaching me a lot

[umbral crown]

[pseudo arch]

Is this a good team for sp? I can’t send ss right now

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

How was my lineup?

I screwed up my first attempt (I was on tilt) because I used Emilia when his t1 had Noise. I barely lost r1, pos phone crashed after that

I spent 20 min to think about what to use against his team on the 2nd try

[umbral crown]

was not bad

i thought you would use your rosanna

original cook always works

[copper creek]

i promise ill clear backlog when im back at desk

[rich quail]

I wanted to
But I couldn’t do ScarJack with Rosie

Either I would be in CP deficit if I used a clip rl, or I would have problems with Scarlet not linking with Jackal because my atk power for her is low

[umbral crown]

ohbut is not your rosy 44% ATK?

[rich quail]

I don’t know what would be another good team setup if I can’t use ScarJack with Rosie

Yes she is 44% Atk

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

That’s why she would take Jackal link

[umbral crown]

thats why she needs jackal link, to nuke properly

and remove buff from enemy team

[rich quail]

Link with Rosie is no problem
But link with Scarlet is a problem for now

[umbral crown]

just use Scarlet and Rosy as attackers in your team

ez

[rich quail]

I built Centi and Anis a lot, but she was barely not enough to get me over CP deficit

Same with Poli

I will keep building them though. It was like… 10k-20k below CP limit

so close

Of course, I didn’t want to add a 3rd attacker because then no Scarlet link

[glad meteor]

Hmm thoughts, for champion arena. Anyone like to give any advice. Making my own teams of course. I’m just trying at cooking, not particularly good at it of course.

What RLs should I try build?

Right now I made.
2Rl
3RL
3RL
4RL
4RL

[copper creek]

sp - def :
blanc/emilia/rh/biscuit/centi
maiden/mpriv/liter/poli/anis
noah/noise/s.anis/biscuit/rapunzel

min. invest - ping me if u dont satisfy these :
laplace+
emilia - 4/7/7
s.anis - 7/7/9 (mandatory) // 10/10/9 (ideal)
s.anis - resilience cube
poli - burst to 4

quantum cube on anis, centi, jackal.
vigor cube on noise, biscuit, rapunzel

tempering cube (not urgent, take your time with this) at your own discretion, priority: noah > blanc > other def taunters & units as required.

i do not advise running def teams on atk.
atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order

[copper creek]

i dont like t1 because its 3.5rl - can be normal 2buff scarlet nuked
t2 fine but might feed opponent if they run jackal
and i rather use noah to protect s.anis since her only hard counter is scarjack

[copper creek]

unless im wrong , the main new pvp unit you got is s.anis only

she needs to be 7/7/9 (minimum) to be useable - otherwise more harm than good to use her

[copper creek]

for this - show us the full squad you're dealing with

[umbral crown]

sounds like ...

S2 issues

[rich quail]

Yeah, that’s why I have to keep building Centi/Anis/Poli

[umbral crown]

sac strat to get more damage and burst first

[copper creek]

sp - def :
s.anis/liter/s.sakura/noir/anis
noah/scarlet/dorothy/drake/neon
sbs/poli/neon/m.priv/mica

all teams above are high copium.
as you pull more, it's easier to improve this, so please ping us if you need us to adjust this

i do not advise running def teams on atk.
atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order.

[rich quail]

I was thinking of making a Mast for sac

But of course I have to set it up so she won’t force me into cp deficit

[copper creek]

good stuff

[lone sequoia]

weak SG p2, mast is for her buff

[rich quail]

So possibly OL+0 but I have to manually set her to lvl 160

And of course I have to up her skill investments so Mast can give tons more crit

[prime cloud]

Noted for next time, I wasn't paying enough attention to sc the teams. Couldn't bring them up either with refreshes

[rich quail]

By the way, is it hard to manually set a unit to lvl 160 and take them off sync?

I think that’s how people do Mast as a sac, right?

I forgot if it takes tons of mats or not

[prime cloud]

Ty for the suggestions, I understand that the limited aspect of the acc isn't ideal but this is a great starting point for me to try and understand team building ✌️

[copper creek]

sp - attack :
t1 (vs. s.anis) : scarlet/blanc/rh/centi/jackal
t2: skip <place 1 nikke in p5>
t3 : noah/noise/s.anis/biscuit/rapunzel

calculate deficit before attacking.
do not proceed if you are on penalty.
formula in pinned.

[copper creek]

no

[copper creek]

i dont know what your teams are (and even if i did - i probably wouldnt give any specific comments because IDK what people are gonna use/cook)

however i would say - be careful with building a 2RL team - that usually means a lot of resources (burst gen battery units) are spent on that, and may leave your other teams vulnerable

i think backlog's clear, ping me if i missed your message

[glad meteor]

Yep, thanks for responding, I’ll keep that in mind

[umbral crown]

thats a whale thing to do, but you could set an unlink unit that might die fast

since your S2 is lv10 you will get best result from it

[rich quail]

What should I have Mast at for skills?

[umbral crown]

no idea tbh

i have not checked her skills yet

but maybe S1 and S2 at 7 or 10

ideal comp is something like this

[rich quail]

S1 is crit damage continuously at 50.94%

S2 is Crit Rate up 23.56 for 30 sec

[lone sequoia]

or you can use a electric SG p2

[rich quail]

But when mast dies is S1 gone?

[umbral crown]

nope

[rich quail]

nice

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

10/10/whatever

[umbral crown]

yes

need to check michiros videos

[lone sequoia]

1/1/1

[umbral crown]

oh

[copper creek]

mast dont need severe invest

[rich quail]

I don’t have xanne

[copper creek]

its just because her skill has a crit rate (?) buff

but thats a bonus

if no x.anne, poli

[lone sequoia]

buff and proc for rosanna, but you can use a weak SGp2 for the proc

[rich quail]

I can do Poli

[umbral crown]

also

start using your rosanna, its a waste if you do not after all the investment you did

[lone sequoia]

if you wanna try oneshot with rosanna go with mast

[rich quail]

I tried!
S2 problems rn but trust me I want to!

[lone sequoia]

44%atk right(?

[umbral crown]

yes

[rich quail]

yes
4 atk lines

[lone sequoia]

yep first line..

a big cp hit with those lines

[umbral crown]

of coourse

[rich quail]

Yeah the only downer is that I think I don’t have other attributes for most of the lines. i think 2 have 1 stat boost only

I may have to lock atk line and reroll

That’s why Rosanna CP is a little low

[lone sequoia]

so you aim to 2 lines for the cp boost since you already have atk

[umbral crown]

whats your cp with Scarlet/Centi/Rosanna/Noir/JAckal?

[rich quail]

Yeah
It’s slightly expensive but it’s better than rerolling the whole thing

[rich quail]

lemme check

[umbral crown]

lock all ATK lines and start getting more lines, if you get ele even better or crit

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

Remember, I tried this before

Link went to Noir and Rosanna

Scarlet too weak

[umbral crown]

change noir for... Anis

is it?

[copper creek]

trying now , one second

[umbral crown]

well thats true

[umbral crown]

2 seconds

[umbral crown]

so you level up S2 for the win

rosanna has SR doll?

scarlet as well?

Anis to Centi and P2 put blanc

how would that look?

[copper creek]

yeah s2 only

well, they are indeed the same 😂

[rich quail]

Scarlet has SR doll, but lvl 1
Rosie has R doll lvl 1

[copper creek]

to be fair its kinda understandable

cuz everyone invests according to the same skill priority guide

the only difference is how long they've been playing the game

and how many LB/core they have on the units

[umbral crown]

that explains

give me enough C7 Rosy

[copper creek]

everyone refers to the same sht = everyone ends up with the same sht

[umbral crown]

[copper creek]

the cp is fine for ur sync

unless you're matched with people with higher sync than you (leviathan or you are a returning player), you shouldnt be in deficit to people

[umbral crown]

thats practically my cp for my cp pad team

[copper creek]

whatsup , you good?

xd

ur bandwidth all went to clearing backlog

[rich quail]

@umbral crown I wanted to use that lineup with Blanc/Centi, but I was 12k under and would be under CP penalty

[umbral crown]

you need more investments

Echo with MLB S.Anis?

[keen vapor]

@umbral crown do I use the extra 5 vouchers?

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

everything

[rich quail]

Yeah, I have been investing since 3 weeks ago and I am close

I will keep feeding those S2s

[umbral crown]

take your time

[keen vapor]

you're so impatient

[umbral crown]

probably

[rich quail]

But rosy think of the future

Think of Nikke 2

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/the-future-is-now-old-man-gif-10300670

[rich quail]

Ok now it’s my turn to go to bed

Finally beating a bully from SP got me too amped

[umbral crown]

i would be 0 gems now but with S.anis over Core 2 or maybe 7 if lucky but echo is waiting for the future

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

I can sleep even better tonight

[pastel narwhal]

[worthy knoll]

Then+20 sync after you wake up

[umbral crown]

imagine

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

go go

[pastel narwhal]

echo got sanis core 7 yet?

[umbral crown]

probalby never

[keen vapor]

The 5 singles, I do them before or after the 8 10-pulls?

[umbral crown]

do 100 opulls

get some ppvp unigxsd gog go

[keen vapor]

So 5 before and another 5 after

[umbral crown]

thats not how it works

[keen vapor]

After the multi pulls

[umbral crown]

you really need S.Anis mlb at least, do not be cheap if not you will suffer more than you are now

[keen vapor]

I know I can do a multi pull with both Vouchers and Gems, but I like doing singles better

[umbral crown]

its up to you

[drifting schooner]

can someone tell me why they started targetting my emilia?? i ran this exact team multiple times before against the same guy same team, and they alweays left my emilia untouched, which gives my sbs the indom

[keen vapor]

She just like me fr

[copper creek]

is this a 2nd/3rd round in sp. arena ?

[umbral crown]

[glacial lion]

emi rh team bricked...

[drifting schooner]

first round, this is from before

[keen vapor]

Be ready

[copper creek]

wait, so this scarlet/blanc/emilia/rh/jackal fight is fight 1 ?

[drifting schooner]

yes

[umbral crown]

[copper creek]

when the change happened , did u touch any OL gear (new OL pieces or reroll any pieces)?

[drifting schooner]

no, i havent touched any of their OL

[copper creek]

probably target skipping related to CS then

you proceeded with that squad and still won, even with the deficit ?

@drifting schooner better if @worn field or @worthy knoll explains this one to u

[umbral crown]

no fear to success

[drifting schooner]

but nothing changed...sbs is always on bastion, redhood on the charge speed one, emilia on vigor, and jackal on quantum

[copper creek]

even if you didnt change
maybe opponent change something

wtf
your cojones r f-ing huge and i respect that

[keen vapor]

Cuz I'm not

[worthy knoll]

Somehow the SGs target skipped your Jackal and RH after the first shot and went to your Emi.. you didn't change CS on your Jackal?

[keen vapor]

They human

[umbral crown]

[drifting schooner]

i dont believe so, but if i did, lets say jackal was on the charge speed cube, now shes on quantum, so less charge speed would make them skip her?

[copper creek]

apparently both he and his opponent didnt change anything when it started to go wrong

[worthy knoll]

From my experience, 3 line CS got skipped, 2 line they don't skip her. About 9.84% or a lil bit below is safe while a bit higher than that they may skip.. not sure what your exact CS but try to have the same CS as you had on that vid above where they didn't skip

[copper creek]

thats why i'm ?_?

[drifting schooner]

well i dont know if opponent changed anything for OL or cubes, but line up didnt change lol

[lone sequoia]

1rock

[drifting schooner]

my jackal has no charge speed OL lines, so even if she had the cube, thats like 2.12%

[copper creek]

if u switched cube on jackal and put charge speed cube on her in place of quantum

[eternal finch]

This ain't possible, right? lol

[copper creek]

then that would answer ur question

[copper creek]

not at all possible
go hit somebody else

[drifting schooner]

so just by having 2% more cs, it makes enemy stay on her??

[copper creek]

yes...

[rocky geode]

ideal rookie/sp?

[copper creek]

you told me no change on your end... @@

zixk do u want to cook for him or i do it?

[drifting schooner]

i didnt, im asking theoreticals

[copper creek]

but yea because of the current CS behaviour
u move charge speed cube around = would be enough to cause problems

[drifting schooner]

but i also had an issue before where i had some lines on noah/biscuit, and i put charge cubes on them, and they would skip them and move onto my sanis

well even after removing cubes, they would still target my sanis lol

[eternal finch]

That's my #1 hahahaha

I am #2

[copper creek]

perfect game design right ? haha

[drifting schooner]

so it sounds like i cant have too little cs, nor too much...

[copper creek]

nice 😂
this is a good problem to have then

[glacial lion]

yes, everyone should has similar cs... 21% cs emi sound good till enemies skip everyone and prio her in pos3

[eternal finch]

Is Ein currently good for PVP?

[copper creek]

yes , but ask us again in a day for a more specific answer

[drifting schooner]

my emi only has 3.75 cs, no cube

[eternal finch]

I got her currently so didn't know if I should overload or leave by now

[drifting schooner]

im so confused as to how this cs bug works

[glacial lion]

target skipping not a bug though

[copper creek]

cs bug - referring to all units in the same pvp team sharing CS

[worthy knoll]

@drifting schooner this happened to me back then on Emi after adding another line of CS, SAnis skip her.. now I remove that CS line in exchange of atk, SAnis don't skip her. So far on my jackal with 2 lines, whenever I use her, SGs don't skip her (well as long its not residual)

[drifting schooner]

why is it not a bug? why are they randomly skipping units?

[copper creek]

because

ok, how do i make this explanation simpler

[summer copper]

tac tics

[copper creek]

think of target skipping as this :

i have 2 RL units

p1 RL has no CS lines
p2 RL has a ton of CS

because p2 has more CS than p1, she will jump out of cover first when the fight starts, therefore opponent target p2 instead of p1 (as is normal targetting logic)

this is simplified explanation that is not always entirely correct , but this should give you the idea

[glacial lion]

whenever nikke cover (inc reload, wait after each charge shot), they switch target

[dusk burrow]

hmmm I won't have to worry about counters with this team aside from high CP, right?

[copper creek]

everything in rookie has a counter.
the only question is - does your opponent know what it is?

[drifting schooner]

replace sbs with sanis, thats how i encounter it easy

[dusk burrow]

I dunno... that's why I'm asking...

[copper creek]

you can try to run it and see how it does

if you ask the veteran contributors here (zixk, merry, nesso, etc.) - of course they'll tell you the counter instantly lol, but the same goes for literally anything and everything in rookie

[glacial lion]

nope

[worthy knoll]

It is not random, if a unit hide behind cover while enemy are trying to target them, they switch targets.

Tho, if you really want to 100% ensure they don't skip P5, well for the jackal feed on SGs, find a way to use Jackal with preferred B3 and a linked unit that isn't RL/SR placed in P4, so even if they skipped Jackal, they would be stopped by this linked unit.

[dusk burrow]

Summer Sakura...

just need a few adjustments here and there for my B3, I guess

[glacial lion]

rh b1 + noah biscuit is ez win for sakura though, she can snipe your b3... and your team has 0 healer

[drifting schooner]

i dont really have that, i have to use RH, what if i just switch RH and emi, and just let emi die first, so indom doesnt go to her lol

[dusk burrow]

the only folks that walled or bully me are high cp ones... that or the Blanc + Emma + Jackal stall

that was with RH as B3 though

[glacial lion]

easiest way to fix your problem is this line up... or 2b/makima pos5

[drifting schooner]

this is arena, i need noah biscuit for other team

[copper creek]

sp - def :
scarlet/maiden/poli/pepper/noir
crown/biscuit/emilia/rh/centi
noise/sbs/anis/s.sakura/neon

i do not advise running def teams on atk.
atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order.

[dusk burrow]

hmm.. alright... thanks for the few hints

[slow heart]

my summer rosanna hates me, I rerolled her gear 5 times now (3 of them dropped with just defense) and 4 of them stayed just as trash. the 5th rolled with 5% def and 20.8% crit dmg in the 3rd row

[worthy knoll]

Though wonder why are using Scalter here instead of normal Scarlet. In case that SAnis somehow got beefed up and dolled, I feel that SBS team will start to lose even if you got the targetting you want 🤔

[drifting schooner]

because i dont have scarlet lol

[slow heart]

she now has 1 piece with max crit chance and 1 with crit dmg but 0 atk

[worthy knoll]

Anti SBS? If it is, Moran Biscuit or Nero Biscuit works just as fine

[copper creek]

how about this - can we see the 3 squads u're up against

[worthy knoll]

Oof, my bad

[drifting schooner]

sure but i still need biscuit tho

[worthy knoll]

built enough, Nero Moran can perfectly tank SBS even without Biscuit

[grizzled bone]

did we have the experts chime on strats with the new cube yet?

[copper creek]

just treat it as another vigor cube essentially

[drifting schooner]

ya im not building them lol, useless anywhere else

[grizzled bone]

Roger

[copper creek]

i like it , but a lot of the PVE MAs disagree

[glacial lion]

champion arena

[drifting schooner]

i dont even know what thats gonna be like...do we know for sure its 5 teams?

[copper creek]

at one point it was, yes
as for the future release ver. who knows

[grizzled bone]

oh hello zixk

[drifting schooner]

eh, we';ll see when we get it, i dont have the resources right now anyway

[grizzled bone]

does new cube take priority over vigor now or are stats pretty similar?

bottom line wise

[worthy knoll]

Oof my main team got dissed

[copper creek]

I would prioritise it over Vigor personally
But, this is a gacha game, there is no winning, only losing
You play however you want

[grizzled bone]

[copper creek]

anyway, counterpoint because u are pve main

in september, harmony cube max levels are going to be increased

so it might be worth thinking about holding off focusing any cubes atm

[grizzled bone]

oh really? hmm union credits are so limited though

[worthy knoll]

They can also tank SAnis, so it is also a good team to use against SAnis Noah teams

[worthy knoll]

I'll still go for Damage reduction, I need more of them

[copper creek]

just putting it out there as something to think about

i like the cube, but the pve MAs and veterans have had a go at me for telling ppl i would build it, so okay then, i will phrase things more as suggestions and not advocate for things outright then

[grizzled bone]

what does MA mean?

[lunar dirge]

swap tia for anis then ig

[copper creek]

i dont like running blanc with anis
anis is a SR with lower base stat, so she can take indom

i think overall your team is not bad

[worthy knoll]

Ahh, guess you have your hands tied

[lunar dirge]

not as p4

it's not getting focused

• we have biscuit

[worthy knoll]

But, for me I need more of them, well at least get the lv7 for the lv3 skill

[copper creek]

u put it as p5
and in most cases even with biscuit yes it is still a problem unless u start messing with vigor cubes

its possible, im not saying you burnt the cook - dont get me wrong

im just saying i would not tell most pve ppl to do those things because ... well ... they are less serious about pvp than we are and are not going to muck about playing with vigor cubes etc

ultimately , this is mobile game - until i know for sure that someone is not casual, i try to suggest route of least resistance 😄

[worthy knoll]

His role

[grizzled bone]

military academy?

[copper creek]

people with MA roles (in this channel - most notable people are probably zixk & myself) are supposed to be trustworthy people who know their sht and will not give u a brain aneurysm

[grizzled bone]

i trust you

[copper creek]

keyword: supposed to be, i have my own personal feelings about most of the people with the role

[worthy knoll]

so stop drinking too much, so you'll be more trustworthy

[copper creek]

impossibro , i cannot imagine a me without delicious alcohol

on a more serious note, without throwing shade, huge majority of players with MA role are PVE-ers who are keen on optimising PVE only, as opposed to zixk & me, so there is bound to be occasional disagreements about what is "optimal" lol

[worthy knoll]

Can't they make a separate role? Like an MA for the pvp side of things?

Like stating these are people who are trustworthy on the pvp side of the game using the role

[copper creek]

at the current moment the only ppl with that role would be zixk, kosmiu and me 😂

[worthy knoll]

I mean it is not like you are going on other channels advising people on PVE stuffs. Usual hangout is always just in the pvp channel

[copper creek]

hey, i am occasionally in #questions scolding people too 😂

who already have the MA role ?

oh yeah of course

im saying , amongst existing MAs, probably only us 3 - so i dont think they would bother to split the role just for 3 ppl

tbh what requirements, not like MA has any steep requirement if i have it

i dont know anything

[worthy knoll]

Oh true.. but like 5% of the time

[copper creek]

nah maybe not 5%, i only really lost my patience and had a go with 1 person lol

i think pure pvp is only u lol

less active and less helpful

[glacial lion]

kamui?

[copper creek]

no, im ok with kamui
its some tigerninja joker

as far as active participants in here are concerned

i think most actively helpful is you lol ... then everyone else long way down that list

the good thing is

i think now , its getting more active and probably a bit better than when i joiend

when i first started playing game (around dec-jan) - i remember only person answering was u

[worthy knoll]

You sure it isn't 50%+?

[copper creek]

now here we have me, rosy, merry, nesso, rust, helios, eon

so its fun to watch this grow a bit more than being just the zixk show

how the f did i forget him lol

yea eon for sure

yeah cuz we went to mald 32-33

people would ask here, then get no answer, then ask me in dm

i had to block people until i cleared it

tbh idk why you help in so many server

[worthy knoll]

You both still not out of the woods yet.. there is still solo raid to come

[copper creek]

i feel like your life will be easier if you push people to here or commcord
so that you only really have to give input in 2 places

[worn field]

no idea

[copper creek]

i dont know about commcord, but, at least, here you have more people to help

commcord is admittedly still zixk show from what i see

thats why im saying, just tell them to come here or commcord lol

so you can put your eyes in less places

[copper creek]

i actually have a guide for that boss already lol
was very annoying to keep having to tab between writing that and dealing with pvp helpdesk

speaking of which, ping me if u need it, i dont mind giving it to you if u need

i mean, if u are ok with helping all those places, its fine
i just feel like, jesus, you can make it easier on yourself

mirror container guide

concerns u less cuz i know u dont care, but merry i know raids kekw

[worthy knoll]

I'm kinda curious.. did any of the usual pvp peeps here, their def team come up, in any one of your servers you help on to.

[copper creek]

oh i can answer this easy

[umbral crown]

[copper creek]

yes

i have seen munch vs. zixk, zixk vs. zixk, munch vs. munch, rosy vs munch already

mostly alot of zixk vs zixk

[umbral crown]

really? me vs you?

waos

[copper creek]

yes, i cant remember the names but u have cooked atks on my def, and vice versa - both ways has happened already lol

[worthy knoll]

[umbral crown]

never expected it

[copper creek]

admittedly, a lot less than zixk vs zixk encounters

[grizzled bone]

[worthy knoll]

Well.. more like I mean not the other players cook ones, but our def teams to be exact. Like with our actual IGNs

[copper creek]

Oh you mean like somebody asking for help against our actual accounts?

[worthy knoll]

Yah

[copper creek]

oh that - nope, dont think i have seen rosy's name nor mine yet

ive seen mine in chinese bilibili server, not on discord

[worthy knoll]

Well I guess Zixk had prolly help their union mate against my union mate

Yeah he was

[copper creek]

omni?

[keen vapor]

I've got Summer Anis LB1 in 80 pulls @umbral crown

[copper creek]

wait wtf ? lucavi in 3 server ?

[keen vapor]

Shift Up better does a Blue Archive Collab so I can skip

[granite anchor]

Does anybody know if Bunny Soda skill 1 at 7+ buffs other nukers like Scarlet?

[worthy knoll]

I still haven't got a single one 100+

It's like the entire summer banner is avoiding me

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Try doing friend/standard pulls first

Maybe it helps

[worthy knoll]

I did, I always get my SSR on those friend pulls

[keen vapor]

Yeah, you can also get the wrong timing and get 7 SSR in friendship banner the same day like me

[keen vapor]

They were 160 friend pulls btw@worthy knoll

I hoard too much

[umbral crown]

now do 150

[worthy knoll]

Yeah, but mine was like 3 SSRs in one 10 pull

[umbral crown]

you need 2 more copies

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

You said a hundred