Hollow Knight

[novel canyon]

ALL BOSSES TIER LIST VERY BIG SPOILERS FOR THE WHOLE GAME

[woeful narwhal]

||am i seeing that there is an even more peak lace fight than the cradle one?||

[novel canyon]

bro thats the ||true final boss😭 || (endgame spoilers btw)

[woeful narwhal]

oh i see

maybe I should really keep playing the game

[novel canyon]

yeah go do that

its very good

[woeful narwhal]

i just dont like looking things up, but like i dont think ill get to like the end end without it

so I havent played since i rolled credits really

[novel canyon]

have you done ||act 3||?

[woeful narwhal]

nope

[novel canyon]

ah, ||do all quests, and find enough fleas to make them move to final location, then talk to songkeeper||

[woeful narwhal]

||yeah I saw that was the requirement i just didnt think id get there without looking things up so i wasnt super motivated||

I always prefer playing on only my own discoveries, which is why i played neon white for so long without watching the goat strategies lmao

[novel canyon]

lol im the same except i don't like missing anything

so i did everything

[woeful narwhal]

i actually think in a game like silksong its actually lowkey a better experience to not do everything

cause then when you talk about it with your friends after youve both beat it you discover new shit that you didnt encounter on your playthrough even though you think you searched really well

and then even knowing it exists if i continue not to look up where it is, I either find it and its cool i found the thing i heard about, or I dont find it and it stays like a myth about the game to me

[novel canyon]

i have a group that i played with live

we all 100%'d the game together pretty much

[thin mango]

That’s pretty much what the nw console discord has been doing

[high cloak]

pretty awesome game

[fossil bloom]

peak game!!!!! so much fun

[ebon swallow]

What do y’all think is the best and worst || crest to use overall ||

[hushed sable]

they're all really balanced imo but raw damage output I think goes to ||wanderer||

[thin mango]

||I’d say best is wanderer or architect. worst is witch because I honestly have no clue what it does and it has no yellow||

[hushed sable]

||witch is really good if you hit your heals at the right time, it's just the most difficult crest imo||

||Shaman is also really safe and really consistent||

[thin mango]

I just tried it out and I don’t like it still

||I don’t want to have to stand near the enemy or boss to do damage with binding||

[hushed sable]

it's scary for sure

[thin mango]

It did do a lot of damage though

[ebon swallow]

All || stags || unlocked let’s go

[abstract cradle]

Worst is probably ||Beast|| or ||Architect|| due to playstyle reasons and their pogos being fucking terrible.
Best I’d go with Hunter or Reaper.

And there’s cleanup done.

I am not looking forward to grinding for the Memento.

[ebon swallow]

Found || first sinner || and yep…. || they healing mid fight I see… ||

Ok yeah once I realized they were || healing || I’ve now beat it

[hushed sable]

||architect is crazy actually, it's only downside is that it absolutely tears through shards, but you can absolutely melt dudes with red tools||

||beast also has crazy damage output but it's a lot higher risk||

[ebon swallow]

I hate || reaper’s down pogo || since || it has such a long delay before it actually does the pogo ||

[hushed sable]

I genuinely think every crest is really solid

super balanced

[hushed sable]

it's really good but it's super weird

[ebon swallow]

It’s actually a debuff for some bosses

Used it on the mini boss that || blocks the path to hunter’s March || and it just was not working out. Switched to || wanderer || and got it first try

[hushed sable]

nice

[fossil bloom]

fun achievement to finish up after beating the game

[fossil bloom]

||MHM MHM MHM i LOVE witch it feels so freaking good||

[visual plinth]

fun game gg

[abstract cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

why did it send twice

[fossil bloom]

i enjoyed it

[latent spear]

The ||one you get from the damn fly is so ass for movement||
||I straight up died trying to leave the chapel because the pogo is so bad||
||but it’s great for combat||

[hushed sable]

I never had issue with that personally

[ebon swallow]

I don't wanna and you can't make me. ||Bilewater ||

[abstract cradle]

OH IT CAN MAKE YOU ALRIGHT

[ebon swallow]

I know I have at least one or two || quests that are linked to it || but I don’t wanna 😭

[hushed sable]

I'm trolling this any% speedrun lol

[upper crest]

how much are we trolling

[hushed sable]

like I'll still definitely be under 5 hours

I'm done for tonight tho I'll finish tomorrow

[upper crest]

ive managed to execute all the tricks up to right before the mist

except the one skip to get to shakra in the marrow early on

im watching the video and just walking behind the route lmao

[hushed sable]

I drew the route over the pharloom map in MS paint lol

[upper crest]

yeah im literally just

pausing and going 1 room at a time

||the sister splinter skip is pretty easy||

but its soo cool to do

[hushed sable]

Full pharloom map spoilers

ignore that it's in German

[upper crest]

it ok i might be trolling harder in mine

my file is 1 hour 14mins right after killing widow

[hushed sable]

who's pulling up to the Ubergangshaus

this is awesome

spoilers if you can read German I guess

[upper crest]

whos german

is andi german

[hushed sable]

I think

and Noelle but she's like already done most of the game

[upper crest]

ya

doing this bit of the speedrun so far tho the game is much easier than i thought

its also a combination of just being better too

[hushed sable]

true

when I stopped I had just gotten ||the 2nd melody, I have the forum, lace, and mommy silk|| left

filetime rn is like

2:23

[upper crest]

wtf

current record

[hushed sable]

it's quite fast

[upper crest]

||killed the bell beast b4 he phased||

[hushed sable]

I'm so bad at doing bosses quickly

I'm ok at not dying if I play safe but doing it fast is a whole other story

[upper crest]

i died on widow 3 times cause i was trying to go too fast pretty sure it was on 1 hp all 3 times

so sad

im ok at reproducing how they fight bosses

but i do not figure that out on my own

[hushed sable]

||I was so shit at the phantom fight||

[upper crest]

Its honestly all the movement in the indiviual rooms

[hushed sable]

I died like 3 times and when I did clear it I felt so slow

[upper crest]

to be fair

that fight can be rng

speed wise

[hushed sable]

idk how to get good damage in that fight without getting smacked

[upper crest]

you just have to pray the boss stays on the screen

[hushed sable]

even then

idk, I just have to learn it better

(assuming I do any more speedrunning at all lol)

[upper crest]

yea lol

ive never been a fan of doing long speedrun stuff myself

full games are scary

[hushed sable]

I'll probably use this file as my 100% speedrun as well

[upper crest]

i like IL a lot more

in HK i did all my speedrunning stuff in the steelsoul file

lmao

[hushed sable]

I don't think I could do that in this game tbh

this game is so punishing

[upper crest]

but this was like post godhome hitless all bosses and p5 clear

and hk is much easier

[hushed sable]

right

[upper crest]

maybe if i came into this game and it had a godhome

id do it again

[hushed sable]

hk any% you have to fight like

4 bosses lol

[upper crest]

||bell beast, lace, moorewing, widow, phantom, cogwork dancers, trobbio, lace cradle, silk mommy||

i think

oh

u said hk

yea

u fight nothing in that game

[hushed sable]

yeah silksong any% has ||9 AND the forum||

actually leagues more difficult

[upper crest]

i actually dont even know what u fight in hk

[hushed sable]

AND way harder parkour

[upper crest]

jellyfish watcherknights the hollowknight

[hushed sable]

false knight, uumuu, watcher knights, hollow knight

[upper crest]

u dont actually fight false knight tho

u just walk away

oh u fight hornet 1

[hushed sable]

oh right

[ebon swallow]

I still don’t know what the area on the || far right, middle of high halls || is or how to get to it

[fast burrow]

I got curious and took a glimpse at this and OH MY GOODNESS

JESUS FUCK

[upper crest]

HAHA

yea that shits huge

[hushed sable]

yeah.

[fast burrow]

I have a very bad short term memory if it wasn't obvious enough lmao so I'm not gonna remember anything about the map

Bro that shit is MASSIVE

[hushed sable]

it's fucking gargantuan

[upper crest]

without dlc

btw

dlc is what made HK like half the size it is

its gonna get even bigger

[hushed sable]

I can't wait for citadel 2

[ebon swallow]

How tf do u get here tho. Only sites that show the full map have this so it’s def a secret area

[upper crest]

thats for steel soul only

[hushed sable]

I forgor

[upper crest]

i think

[hushed sable]

could be true

[fossil bloom]

BIG

[ebon swallow]

Then that would explain it

[hushed sable]

huh

[upper crest]

ya

apparently steel soul only

[ebon swallow]

Ok cool

Was going insane trying to get into it earlier

[hushed sable]

man I can't wait for steel soul

[upper crest]

same with this area

[ebon swallow]

Didn’t help I was basically doing the gauntlet in reverse

[hushed sable]

I think steel soul has like

a lot of exclusive stuff

[ebon swallow]

Steel soul has more bosses then?

[upper crest]

https://mapgenie.io/hollow-knight-silksong/maps/pharloom this map has basically all the spoilers if you ever wanna know something about the game

[hushed sable]

so I'm excited for that much

[upper crest]

ehh

small embed

should i delete it

[ebon swallow]

I might actually have to play steel soul then

[upper crest]

yes

[hushed sable]

I will be playing it for sure

finishing it?

we'll see

[upper crest]

looking at that map with show all on is crazy

there is so much shit in this game

[ebon swallow]

When comparing individual boss fights, I have more deaths in a single room than I do from any given boss fight

[upper crest]

the mob rooms are definitely something

[ebon swallow]

The one polygon has is so much better

Not as detailed with descriptions, but much easier to read

[upper crest]

yeah i like this one cause if im looking for something specific i just press hide all and then type what it is

and it has everything

[ebon swallow]

Yep (the one in || high halls to be exact || )

Came back with an extra mask and it made a difference

[upper crest]

i figured out if u have a good pogo crest on it makes that room a bit easier

[ebon swallow]

Although I cleared through || The Slab || I still need like 3 more || keys for different stuff ||

[ebon swallow]

Even with. It’s the last round that’s hard

Hit and run Strat doesn’t work with 2 of them

[upper crest]

yeah but if ur always above them they dont really hit u

which a lot of mobs have a hard time with in this game

[ebon swallow]

Bruh they jump

[upper crest]

ive noticed

yeah but its more dodgedable than standing on the ground with them

[ebon swallow]

You can just pogo on top of them for a decent while until they jump

But there is very little time to notice before they jump

[hushed sable]

I usually just try to keep them both on the same side

[ebon swallow]

At least like 2 or 3 of their indicators have overlap it feels

[ebon swallow]

This works until it doesn’t

[hushed sable]

oh also

I've decided I'm gonna learn ||Bilewater|| theme on piano

[ebon swallow]

Cool

[ebon swallow]

I get to relearn what areas of it I’ve actually explored and not just my map filling it in since I got close enough

[quiet bramble]

Piano mentioned real

[quiet bramble]

This worked for me

[hushed sable]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4bpW1hGEBw&list=TLPQMTQwOTIwMjWe81254H6UuQ&index=5||

it's a very pretty cover and it's not very difficult either

[quiet bramble]

Nice gl

[dire rune]

Is there a ||percent tracker thing in game|| I have beaten the game twice and haven’t gotten a percent yet at all, I think I might have just missed it somewhere

[abstract cradle]

||Funny as fuck that the fake Bilewater bench is marked as genuine.||

[abstract cradle]

It does exist.

And it’s not hard to find. It’s just got a… prerequisite attached.

[civic gale]

WHERE THE FUCK IS THIS LAST ||POLLIP HEART||

[quasi salmon]

recently learned the taunt changes when ||you equip shakra‘s tool and hornet mimics her „Ushanka!“ pose/shout||

this game is so awesome

[novel canyon]

That’s so cool wtf

[hushed sable]

Yuh

[grizzled radish]

Check that ||cliff|| area

[silk grotto]

I am on what i assume to be the last boss of 100%, proud that I got here while only looking up two things (both were things I had passed and forgotten about like 20 hours ago lmaooo, one was the first or second craftmetal cause I thought it was normal shards and I was full up, the other was a very early spool fragment that I just beefed it and missed)

I think this game is significantly worse from a combat design standpoint than hk1 but I'm gonna see this gd 100% through

Also hello I return

[heavy burrow]

never played piano, how do you know which hand plays which notes?

[heavy burrow]

YES it's so cool

[hushed sable]

Sheet music tells you generally

But it’s really just preference

[latent spear]

why if i might ask?

[hushed sable]

Bottom staff is typically left hand and top staff is typically right hand

[latent spear]

im fairly sure you ||have to if you screw up hard enough your first time in citadel (if you go all the way to the bottom without doing anything to give yourself a way back up)||

[hushed sable]

I personally disagree strongly lol

[silk grotto]

I think a lot of the normal enemy design is pretty unfun, boss tells/patterns aren't as interesting or consistent to learn, damage ratio on most enemies is out of whack (every rando flying enemy in the middle of a platforming section does not need to be a real threat), Hornet's less precise movement and short range, and bad boss collision hurt boxes all add up to a worse and less consistent combat feel than hk1

I don't think the game is super ass or anything, I wouldn't go for 100% if I did haha, but I do think the combat feels worse than hk1

[latent spear]

you can literally ||become basically the same as the knight and have roughly similar physics but with a higher pogo||
also i disagree about the boss tells, theyre just as fun if not more fun, even though they are generally harder and require more precision than hk1

[silk grotto]

||wanderer crest is still like 1/2 the range of hk1 and has inconsistent pogos ||

Trust me its like all I use but I don't think it fixes the issues entirely

[latent spear]

||did you play hk with longnail on at all times or smth? its pretty comparable. and you have built in quickslash||

[latent spear]

i like the movement from hunters personally
and reaper lets you get away with some mickey mouse type of shit pogos

[silk grotto]

||yeah I used longnail/I forgot the other crest name but you know the one for most of the game in hk1||

[latent spear]

||mark of pride, and yeah that tracks||
||i always went a mixed build so i didnt have space||

[civic gale]

||Thing is, this game just isn’t as pogo focused as HK, the games just a LOT faster||

[silk grotto]

||Ye im okay with that part, the inconsistent pogos from wanderer are a bigger problem on the platforming challenges than the actual fights||

[cloud lichen]

i agree

[ebon swallow]

Skill issue if it’s inconsistent

[silk grotto]

It was only actually frustrating in like.. two sections

[ebon swallow]

I’ve seen the videos of people trying to do platforming in a certain area with the default

It just looked awful

[silk grotto]

The divekick being the starting down air is crazy to me because boy howdy is it miserable to platform with LOL

No movement skills hunters crest was very bad feeling, I'd be scared to start a new file and go back to it lol

[ebon swallow]

I’m glad I got || wanderer’s crest || decently early on

[clever goblet]

game completion stuff

[latent spear]

speak for yourself, i liked it

[silk grotto]

im speaking for myself + like a dozen people i've talked to about it

i think you're coping for liking it but to each their own npnp

im glad you like it

[novel canyon]

Imo the only problem I’ve had with enemies is too many guys just throw out parries, but as for the movement in combat it feels incredible.
The amount of control over hornet you have compared to the knight isn’t comparable. If you go in expecting to play hornet like the knight I could see why you wouldn’t like it as much.

To each there own tho

Something about ||clawline -> hunter pogo -> thread storm|| gives me more serotonin than anything in hk ever did

[silk grotto]

i think when it all flows together it's rad as hell but i have not had as many of those moments as i would like

[civic gale]

I hate how the ||bind move for the beast crest is kinda mid because the moveset is fucking peak||

[silk grotto]

Final boss down, 100% completion

[hushed sable]

I think ||wanderer's crest|| is the lamest of them all :caught:

I think ||hunter's|| flows super well when playing really clean but it's kinda tricky

the only thing combat wise I think hk has over silksong is shade dash/down dive giving more movement freedom/creativity with invuln

you gotta juke/parry more in ss

which is fine in its own way, it's just different

[visual plinth]

theres so many cool little tools u can use for combat it's awesome

descending dark spam looked lame af

I'm sure ppl will figure out the new way to nuke things but for now it's fun to mess about

[hushed sable]

it's a nice safety option but it does have pretty ridiculous invuln

[hushed sable]

||poison cogflies + tacks is really funny||

they just explode

[visual plinth]

lmao what

[hushed sable]

hang on

[visual plinth]

||I've seen a friend use the purple cogflies, I presume they're the poison ones idk, not tacks tho||

[hushed sable]

||poison is a separate blue tool that applies to all red tools||

[visual plinth]

ahh

[hushed sable]

@visual plinth

lol

[visual plinth]

bro

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-should-been-gif-23901254

[silk grotto]

||poison tools were very effective but felt very cheesy and i only used them a couple of times||

[hushed sable]

def cheesy

but they are quite strong and I will be using them in steel soul

[fossil bloom]

where can i get the second ||memoir||

only one i'm missing

im working on my second file rn anyways but for later i wanna go get that

[clever goblet]

The % doesnt count so much

[silk grotto]

yeah i know im missing a lot haha

[clever goblet]

like I

fully completed the journal

lol

[silk grotto]

gamer

[hushed sable]

this shit was annoying fr

[clever goblet]

Was pretty zen for me lol

[hushed sable]

hey that's my name

[icy frigate]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/The_Goat

[hushed sable]

this run was so insanely bad lmao

holy

I think I died like 30 times

[heavy burrow]

im telling you ||poison with the flying guys are insane||

i didnt use it much in my casual run cause it felt cheep but im heavily considering it in my steel run

[hushed sable]

for sure

probs gonna run that and like idk ||reaper for safety||

[ebon swallow]

Next time I play, imma grind rosaries just to buy || shard bundles ||

[thin mango]

One more achievement to go

I could of finished this so long ago but I’m getting burned out

Probably to do with putting 100 hours into the game already

And it’s basically just doing 100% for a third time now

[visual plinth]

silksong all achievements run sounds really fun

[thin mango]

Honestly it’s probably about the same amount of time

The journal is longer but there’s nothing you have to do 2 times to get the achievements

[silk grotto]

Oh yeah I didnt post the rest of my thoughts earlier but I think basically everything other than the combat system whips hard. The world, characters, map overall, personality, all excellent

[hushed sable]

the more I play the more I enjoy the combat tbh

at least with hunter

[upper crest]

i just played hk again and i remembered that i always used to say "I swung" and i caught myself doing it for the 30 mins i played

there are like weird lock outs on using ur nail after dashing n shit

silksong feels so much nicer

[abstract cradle]

"Silksong" combat feels like what people say "PoP: Lost Crown" combat is tbh.

Except it actually pushes you to use everything and not two moves.

[fossil bloom]

[thin mango]

Idek what that is

[shell mist]

i'm having such a hard time bringing myself to play silksong. idk why because i really like the game and have fun everytime i play. anyway just beat ||cogwork dancers|| and it is my favorite boss so far

[hushed sable]

it's a good one

[quiet bramble]

you can ||climb up the grand gate without double jump by slashing the scales||

wait do you have to unlock that

nvm i think im dumb

wrong section

[thin mango]

Yeah the game was good

[fossil bloom]

oh my god, i typed the wrong word

[fossil bloom]

i meant to say where can i get the second ||memento||

[clever goblet]

Hey I like lost crown why's it catching strays

[visual plinth]

apparently they don't stay in the same position and rotate, so you should send a pic of what you have

[fossil bloom]

oh whatttt

[abstract cradle]

I mean, I love its platforming.

[abstract cradle]

Do you just want specifics of what to do or no? I think I know what the missing one requires.

[fossil bloom]

just a lead in the right direction works

[abstract cradle]

I’ll try a riddle then.

||Where once there was a wandering determined individual, on the cusp of civilisation, another soul, aimless, has taken their place.||

[fossil bloom]

thank you :>

[clever goblet]

||wait seth takes spots of other people?||

||I know the first one is a spot ofc but the shellwood one seemed random as hell||

[abstract cradle]

||I was only referring to the Greymoor spot. I don’t know his location in Shellwood.||

||And I’ve heard he might have another location before Fleatopia.||

[clever goblet]

||grand gate, tho for me he went right to fleatopia||

[visual plinth]

||I think this is misinfo at this point but everyone I know has not seen him at grand gate. Maybe it was datamined and removed or something or it triggers after something specific||

[clever goblet]

||It might be misinfo cause for the final memento I used the interactive map lol it might just be put there and everyone gets it from there||

[visual plinth]

yea same

[hushed sable]

Jesus Christ

I’m less baffled by the fact that you steel souled and more by the fact that you’ve put in enough time to 100% 3 times

My 100% speedrun already feels so draining

[civic gale]

Alright I have 10 hours to
|| get half the fleas, get the rest of the charms, explore like 4 more entire areas, do the entirety of act 3, beat every boss and get every silk skill||

Then I might be able to get 100% in 30 hours on my first playthru

[fossil bloom]

no pressure tho 😭 shit's hard

[thin mango]

Yeah I could of done it way faster if I just did steel soul for the 2nd 100%

Or just in general because I was getting so burned out

But I’m now finding new joy in the game from now focusing on the speedrun and doing no hit on bosses

[hushed sable]

I'm not gonna no hit stuff till DLC godhome

[fossil bloom]

same

[thin mango]

Yeah idk when that will come out so I’m just doing it now on bosses that i enjoyed

[hushed sable]

cut your losses and play casual chief it's not happening

[civic gale]

radiant ||savage greatfly refight||

[hushed sable]

there's worse options

[civic gale]

yeah i think i need an actual route for speedrun completionist lmao

[thin mango]

I just used an interactive map and balled

[civic gale]

oh no i just hate that fight because of the ||flying ranged adds that back up constantly||

[hushed sable]

nah it's more just going exactly where to go

[hushed sable]

I agree that fight is cringe

[civic gale]

how much actual backtracking is needed

like getting a movement ability then backtracking to an earlier area

[hushed sable]

100% has not been routed like

at all

[civic gale]

of course you'll still need like

5 billion quadrillion rosaries

[hushed sable]

but I reckon at least a fair bit of it

[civic gale]

i think im most scared for ||100% steel soul||

that one is gonna take a WHILE

[hushed sable]

same cause I play reckless

[thin mango]

You just bitch out and play in act 2 for everything and it’s not that bad

And just abuse ||pollip pouch with cogflys||

[hushed sable]

I'm assuming you just progress through areas as slowly as possible

[thin mango]

I didn’t explore bile water until I got ||the item that helps protect against the water||

[civic gale]

nah but i cant wait for radhog in silksong

[hushed sable]

fair

[civic gale]

just gonna have to wait till q3/4 2026

[thin mango]

I’m sure dlc will make the 100% steel soul easier

Unless the dlc makes it more difficult

[civic gale]

itll be like hollow knight

where you can choose what % to actually get

since you only need 100% and not what i assume will be 112%

[thin mango]

Nkg over all grubs any day of the week

[civic gale]

true!

pantheons over flower quest

[thin mango]

I still did flower quest

[civic gale]

ngl i wish i could do sub-hour hk runs

but i fucking suck

or even just like

sub hour 30 mins

[hushed sable]

sub 2 hour silksong would be nice

but the other achievements

[civic gale]

ngl i think for 100% 30 hours whats gonna throw me off is missing a tool

because in hk there was an obvious gap in the charm select

but if i just forget somethin fuckin exists

[hushed sable]

||same thing happens in silksong when you get a certain item||

||you'll know what you're missing||

[thin mango]

Best part of the steel soul run is I forgot to get that

[hushed sable]

does it not add to %??

[thin mango]

No

[silk grotto]

i think it's optional yea

[thin mango]

So I had to just remember what I was missing

[hushed sable]

I'm ngl I forgot what the thing actually was lol

[thin mango]

||foresight or something like that idk||

[hushed sable]

hm

ig if I know all of what I need then it's fine to skip it

seems annoying tho

[thin mango]

It was a bit annoying

I had to manually add up what I had so I could tell what I needed

[silk grotto]

im sure someone will make the checklist site for silksong if they haven't already

[upper crest]

@thin mango does it count as a death in steelsoul in act 3 when u go into the storyline bossfights and die?

[thin mango]

Idk never tested it

[upper crest]

cause in the normal version of the game u die but theres no cocoon or anything u just leave the area and spawn outside of it

[silk grotto]

should be the same as dream battles, which don't end your steel soul run iirc

they're presented the same way, at least

[clever goblet]

Can you revert to checkpoints and have the time you had then count so you can just basically run it segmented lmao

[visual plinth]

radiant this guy

[thin mango]

||like the arena with them or just the enemy?||

[hushed sable]

yes but that's like a massive pain in the ass lol

[visual plinth]

||nah just one of those, could be the new markoth||

[hushed sable]

real

[hushed sable]

tried breaking a rosarie necklace and it bugged and is now permanently stuck vibrating and I can't close any menus

alt + f4 time I guess

[thin mango]

I’m 20 attempts into ||widow|| no hit so far

Definitely going to give me some trouble

[thin mango]

I might need to get tools to make it a little easier

[thin mango]

Finished it at 44 attempts was definitely a setup from the last few bosses

[latent spear]

That fight no hit sounds annoying
Because I def facetanked a bit at the end the first time

[ebon swallow]

Bruh I need a map that shows only the steelsoul-only areas

[fast burrow]

Onto act 2! at long last

[abstract cradle]

"Silksong" is the ||"Ninja Gaiden 2"|| of Metroidvanias.

||Was so fortunate to finish that fight at 4 Masks so that I could barely tank the kamikaze.||

[clever goblet]

||I died to it and laughed||

[cloud lichen]

i got hit and lived

i still think it’s my second favourite fight so far

||first sinner is my favourite i did it yesterday, only took 3 attempts but it was a lot of fun, not on act 3 yet though||

[upper crest]

that one is goated

[civic gale]

That fight is so good

Can’t wait for radiant in 2027

[clever goblet]

Optimistic timeframe

[civic gale]

2072*

Sorry I typo’d

[clever goblet]

Ye that's more accurate

[fossil bloom]

[clever goblet]

The fuck

Your route I need it

[fossil bloom]

||it was mostly just mixing in side stuff while progressing the story, like "hey i can do these things all together" and i knew where everything was aside from a few outliers so it worked pretty well. didn't really have a planned route, just did what i wanted most of the time||

||i am a frequent bench warper, helps cut a lot of time as well||

[clever goblet]

||im currently going for the 5hr one and just planning on continuing that into the 30hr one after||

[fossil bloom]

||yeah i did that too it works pretty well||

||just keep in mind the rooms you visit during your initial speedrun so you don't miss something you passed by||

[clever goblet]

||simply barely grabbed anything||

||will just rush double jump post 5hr achievement and then combine quests and finding fleas/tools/farming rosaries if needed I guess||

||gotta just know exactly what counts too||

||I dont think bosses do? So it's just whatever holds the collectibles/quests||

[fossil bloom]

||it's funny cuz like quests don't count but they also do cuz of what they reward you with, alongside the progression line of some quests||

||i just did every quest minus one and it worked pretty well||

||wasn't that annoying||

[clever goblet]

||quests do count anyway cause they get you true ending||

||do you need to buy all maps to get that quest of hers or do you just not need her item||

||Im assuming it's needed||

[fossil bloom]

||i just bought them all anyways but i doubt it'll force you to buy maps||

||i think the check is just visiting her spots||

[clever goblet]

Ah

Fair

Ye I might buy em

[fossil bloom]

it's helpful anyways hehe

||i'll just stare at my map for a bit and be like "okay yes let's do that"||

[civic gale]

I wonder how many people use the compass in this game

[clever goblet]

I did on the first go

[civic gale]

Because hk just kinda hammered my head into knowing what area I’m in at just off of area geometry

[visual plinth]

I used it for the entire first playthrough

[clever goblet]

Ye and then it's like I know the map

Or I just

[visual plinth]

even on all bosses, that thing got gold sticker

[clever goblet]

Have the map on some other screen lol

[civic gale]

I’ve been using the charm that gravitates all rosaries towards you

Because I’m a lazy bastard and can’t be assed to pick up dropped money

[cloud lichen]

my build is legit just the bell thing that lets you heal, compass and magnet

[abstract cradle]

They do not.

||Which means you can skip getting the fourth heart.||

[clever goblet]

||ye ig skipping prince is best?||

||cause there's also like zero to get in verdania I think||

||while karas at least has some stuff||

[abstract cradle]

Probably for a speedrun but I imagine ||Nyleth|| would be a better candidate for Steel Soul due to ||Seth guarding her. Of course that is under the assumption that dying in those dreams doesn’t end the playthrough.||

Though honestly if you try to cheese Steel Soul ||I’d just skip the Dancers anyway lmao. That fight really loses its magic when it’s the exact same while Hornet is significantly stronger.||

[hushed sable]

||you don't need every quest for true ending but you do need a handful of them so doing them all doesn't end up being a crazy amount of extra work||

[latent spear]

The what
Oh you mean like steel soul jinn from hk?

[ebon swallow]

There are areas that are only available on steel soul runs. I want those marked on the map

[ebon swallow]

The platforming to get to the || top half of || || sands of karak || is evil

Thought I was || on a stable platform. || I was not

[dire rune]

have yall been using tools

bc like i find no time to use them ever at least the attacking ones

because like i could just slash instead

[hushed sable]

yeah they're OP

if you use the good ones

[fossil bloom]

tools are great use em

[abstract cradle]

Yeah this is why I almost never used them.

Hornet’s offensive capabilities are pretty complete without them.

(Big spoilers)

[dire rune]

problem is i have watched and googled as little as possible so i do not know the difference between a good tool and a horrible one

ive just been running ||chakras band things|| and the ||flea juice thing that makes you go fast||

[ebon swallow]

There is one insanely good one that || helps clear out enemies when traversing and attack bosses (small damage but adds) || and it’s called || cogfly or something ||

There’s another one that you can get pretty early on in || deep docks || (I think it’s the first offensive one you can come across)

It can be quite versatile

[dire rune]

yeah ive got that one, didnt bother to use it because it needs silk

[ebon swallow]

?

It uses shards

I don’t remember it using silk unless I’m just blind af

[dire rune]

wait yeah im stupid

[ebon swallow]

Bc u can use it preemptively for when a boss spawns

It’s great for early damage or the rooms where multiple enemies spawn

[dire rune]

i was thinking of this

[ebon swallow]

Haven’t used it 🤷

[visual plinth]

I've been running ||the fire resin one, flintslate or something? and the flea haste buff. both of those together give you a MASSIVE damage window||

[silk grotto]

||flea brew my beloved||

[fossil bloom]

||i love flintslate, longpin, sting shard, curveclaw, cogwork wheel, silkshot, and flea brew. used each of them considerably among my two playthroughs||

[silk grotto]

i think my most used tools were ||the buff ones (flint and flea brew), cogfly, tacks (these go crazy when the boss pattern is good for them), curveclaw, and the rosary gun for the memes||

[upper crest]

i finished mine at 3 hours 32 minutes

💀

I did do all the skips other than beastfly pogo tho

[visual plinth]

gg

[hushed sable]

Big

[visual plinth]

||did the flea games and then did the three dream fights and saw the pale oil still in my inventory 💀 ||end of hundo spoiler

[hushed sable]

Epic troll

[thin mango]

First actually good run

[dire rune]

10/10

also can we talk about how every single boss takes like under 3 attempts then we reach ||lost lace|| and it takes me more than half an hour

this is kinda what i expected to happen with that

i can finally watch silksong youtube videos

[visual plinth]

least relatable comment

[thin mango]

I either destroyed the boss I was fighting or lost over and over

[latent spear]

Yeah every fight took me either 1 or more than 3 attempts

[clever goblet]

achievement got

it was actually 14:48 but I was celebrating the W and forgor to screenshot and it faded out lol

redid the checkpoint for a clearer screenshot

routing this was fun

my route was very flawed tho

[upper crest]

@hushed sable when u do that one special ending do u have to walk all the way there or can u use bellways and stuff

[clever goblet]

you mean ||cursed?||

no ending requires some weird walk lol

[hushed sable]

you can use fast travel

[upper crest]

nice

[ebon swallow]

Can confirm

[ebon swallow]

I’m like 79%~ done on my current file

[upper crest]

boom

now at some point do it all again in steel soul

[visual plinth]

omg man

i got to ONE HP in high halls

[fossil bloom]

holy shit ggs cat ggs bree

[latent spear]

Just beat it for the first time
Now to go for what I’m assuming is true ending and 100%
Hopefully blind if I’m able, might have to look some stuff up if I can’t find everything

[upper crest]

i started lookin some of the menial shit up after like 85-90%

like memory lockets n stuff

[silk grotto]

i am pretty proud of doing mine blind, i looked up 1 craftmetal because it was the second craftmetal in the game and i forgot where it was, and the last spool fragment that i had missed very early on

[placid dune]

this is such a funny transition to me

rough mockup of the difference between phase 2 and 3

[upper crest]

||was the last spool fragment u had missing the one under the whiteward elevator?||

[silk grotto]

||no it was the fuckin one in bone bottom at the very start, my headass just didnt hit the wall ||

[upper crest]

oh lmao

[dire rune]

ts pfp is so tuff

[cloud lichen]

dude spoilers…

[thin mango]

Bro just leaked the dlc

[fossil bloom]

oooh that looks silly i like it

[clever goblet]

Missed this one too

[thin mango]

I also missed that one

[civic gale]

ive never had a poss pattern read me like ||cradle lace||

like the fight wasnt really that hard

but guh damn

[ebon swallow]

Was looking at all the bosses in || act 2 || and turns out I missed one lol

I could probably still do it later since it has to do with || taste of pharloom quest ||

after some googling I have found out that I am locked out of the || garmond and zaza duel || 😭😭😭

[civic gale]

THIS FUCKING QUEST

IM GOING TO LOSE MY FUCKING MIND#

[clever goblet]

I liked it

We are not the same

[upper crest]

that quest was much more chill than some of the delicate flower stuff from hk

[civic gale]

no honestly

id argue its worse than flower quest

[ebon swallow]

Flower quest wasn’t that hard tho

I’d say it’s def harder than flower quest

At least with HK there were only like 2 different enemies that you hard to look out for

[civic gale]

and also you didnt have to run thru everything

[ebon swallow]

It at the very least allows for some mistakes which is nice

But there are also way more annoying enemies sooo

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the most annoying thing in Silksong is the follow range that flying enemies have

[civic gale]

I’m so lost

How the fuck do I get the ||act 3 activation quest||

||the one in bellheart||

[clever goblet]

||gotta do most sidequests in the game (basically those that impact actual npcs)||

||idk the exact list but if you clear all quest and make sure you speak to npcs you should get them all and thus get that quest, the toughest ones to maybe do are to find all fleas, and to get the personal quest from the map npc (pretty sure this requires seeing her in every area she sells a map of)||

[civic gale]

||is the guts one required, it’s the only one I can think of that I haven’t done
The one where you have to kill enemies using different types of tools||

[clever goblet]

||probably, unsure.||

[civic gale]

OH FUCK

||I haven’t even visited bilewater yet||

Fuckin lmao

[clever goblet]

||you also need to do the donations||

||and you need to own a bellhome, which you get from doing most of the bellhart stuff, talking to pavo there, and doing the bellhart donations||

[civic gale]

||im gonna have to do all of this in both 30 hours and in steel soul aren’t I||

Fuck

[clever goblet]

||if you route it well 100% is quite easily doable in 30h, altho steelsoul probably wants some reroutes for safety to get tools/masks earlier||

||I did it in ~15h (not steel soul) with a pretty basic route just kinda staring at the interactive map and stringing together a logical path based on what I need to get first to clear an area of checks||

[civic gale]

I can’t wait for godhome in this game bro

It’s gonna be so FUN

I don’t think anything’s beaten or been equal to NKG or PV in hollow knight

But some might be close

[ebon swallow]

I gotta do the courier’s rasher, save 1 more flea, do the early game || alchemist quest || and that’s about it I think

Technically I don’t think the rasher is needed but idk

[civic gale]

WHY DOES EVERYONE WANT MY MONEY

JESUS FUCK

I’m gonna get a mandatory quest where I’m sitting on the streets of pharloom with an empty can asking for spare change at this rate

[visual plinth]

couriers rasher was definitely easier than the flower and more fun imo. I cleared all enemies for both and silksong movement clears

[civic gale]

Honestly I don’t know what I’m gonna do while waiting for dlc

Speedrunning this game seems like it’s gonna be a lot harder than HK

And I can’t just move on, I need more

[hushed sable]

||Is only 22 fleas but yeah this||

[dire rune]

with gane being so big you just forget to go back to areas and miss important stuff, like i just forgor to go back to the ||flea caravan|| for so long both times they got moved so so late

and there was an area marked on my map that had a mask shard that i just didnt get the chance to go to for like 20 hours

[hushed sable]

hornet is playing that shit™

[cloud lichen]

i did what i believe to be the 3 main act 3 bosses yesterday

||didn’t fuck with the coral tower boss that much, but the area was cool, seth was a great fight, and the flower boss after was really cool and unique, karmelita was amazing too, i think my top 3 so far are first sinner, seth and karmelita||

||i also did pintress that boss SUCKS||

[abstract cradle]

Yeah, you got the main 3.

||There is a fourth that’s hidden but it’s the weakest fight of the lot by a good margin.||

[cloud lichen]

also

||the red memory scene was amazing||

still doesn’t beat the hollow knight abyss climb for me

[silk grotto]

||i think the coral tower had the best versions of the dork arenas which sucks that it was so late but glad they got there||

[clever goblet]

||I like most of the arenas and coral was just a colo reminder and I liked colo too so||

||boss could be a little harder tho||

[silk grotto]

||the theming of karmelita was top tier, but i had a couple issues with the fight itself||

[dire rune]

i dont know by names but the one of the three on the ||right side|| of the map that wasn't ||the prince guy in vernadia|| was like the third hardest boss ive faced behind ||savage beastfly 1|| and ||lost lace|| but the other 2 were pretty free

Also yeah the ||red memory|| was so so cool that

I can’t lie I think that ||the no games both fleas and sprintmastrr|| are some of my favourite parts of the game

[civic gale]

surely this is doable for my first playtrhu

||for the 30 hour 100% achievement, should I just do the 5 hour completion then do everything there is to do in act 1 and 2 before moving to act 3?||

[silk grotto]

you probably should not look to do 30h 100% achievements if you want to have fun with the game at this point

[civic gale]

It’s not that bad

Steel soul 100% is gonna be a lot worse

[silk grotto]

in general i dont think it's that bad, at the point you're at though i would recommend it be a next playthrough angle

but godspeed if you try it

[civic gale]

Yeah I was joking

Of course I can’t get 40% in 6 hours

||but in my next playthru, should I just do the beat any% in 5 hours then with that save afterwards do every % in act 2 and 1 then move onto act 3?||

I should have time for that

[upper crest]

thats what I did

finished in 16h on the file

i even did a different ending I had missed in my casual run

[visual plinth]

yes

[visual plinth]

yea same it's quite lenient

[burnt stirrup]

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[clever goblet]

Pog

[visual plinth]

awesome

[civic gale]

||tormented trobbio: 3 attempts||
||father of the flame: 5 attempts||

chat am i cooked do i suck

[clever goblet]

No

[cloud lichen]

true ending done (nice)

[clever goblet]

Nice

[hushed sable]

Nice

[hushed sable]

I'd argue that's good ||trobbio attempts rather than bad father flame attempts||

[civic gale]

Ngl I feel like I’m better with harder good bosses then easier bad bosses

Like even if it’s easier to dodge than ||trobbio|| I feel like ||flame fathers|| attacks just aren’t consistent and don’t feel fluid to dodge

[hushed sable]

they are consistent, it's just that their tracking is weirdly complicated

silksong enemies in general have way more complex AI

[civic gale]

Idk how to describe it

[hushed sable]

I can't explain it

[civic gale]

it was the same in hk where i was very good vs NKG and PV but worse vs like gallien or watcher knights

[hushed sable]

nkg and pv are more predicatable once you know patterns

[silk grotto]

finally

[cloud lichen]

bang

[upper crest]

u only need p4 for 112?

ig p5 is its own achievement

[cloud lichen]

yes

[visual plinth]

2 save and quits on bosses

[upper crest]

I didnt save and quit in HK but I want to in silksong but my friend is trying to get me not to

idk if im into that idea for this game

[visual plinth]

mine were on ||chef lugoli and bell eater||

[upper crest]

XD?

[visual plinth]

:)

[upper crest]

it really be the the bosses with 2 moves that get you

i almost lost my HK run to enraged guardian

[visual plinth]

im so bad at the second one

[upper crest]

LMFAO

[visual plinth]

😭

love those guys in the pantheons

small hp bars

[visual plinth]

but yeah i think i save and quit like very liberally in hk and tried my best to not do it in silksong but like 10h into the run i cba

[upper crest]

yea...

100% the game for the third time is whats killing me

im not about to die and have to do it again

[visual plinth]

yeah fair

[hushed sable]

||I hope you mean bell eater||

[visual plinth]

LMAO yeah i did

[hushed sable]

That makes more sense

I’m honestly tempted to just follow 100% speedrun route for steel soul cause I can’t be assed to keep staring at a map again

Even if it’s less safe idc

I will be save scumming if need be

[upper crest]

oh

[civic gale]

Enraged guardian makes me sad because the skip to get to him without monarch wings is so cool

But it does fucking nothing

[upper crest]

so u didnt have to quit out ont he 2nd boss in the game thats good ig xd

[civic gale]

You still need monarch wings for 112%

And you can’t get to p5 without monarch wings despite being able to do every single boss without wings

[upper crest]

is absrad doable?

like the final climb is possible without double jumping?

[civic gale]

I’m not sure

It might be

[upper crest]

a jump like this doesnt look possible

[civic gale]

Damage boosting?

[upper crest]

im not familiar with hk tech

so not sure

[hushed sable]

Doesn’t monarch wings add to % anyways

[upper crest]

yea

[civic gale]

Yeah but p5 wingless would be a sick as fuck achievement

[hushed sable]

Ig so

[visual plinth]

LMAO my bad

[civic gale]

Is there any area of the game that doesn’t end steel soul like the dreams and pantheons in hk

[abstract cradle]

Afaik, ||First Sinner|| and ||the dream segments in Act 3|| don’t end your run on death.

[visual plinth]

did not know that for ||first sinner|| actually, ||shakra and garmond & zaza duels|| also dont end the run

[hushed sable]

makes sense

[upper crest]

gonna assume its also the same for the main stuff in act 3

since those are basically dream fights

[visual plinth]

yea

||i specifically routed into the three hearts that arent nyleth when i found out they didnt count, i came back for seth after getting the ending tho||

[hushed sable]

Nice

||Seth is a very fun fight, plus the lore behind his inclusion is nice||

[visual plinth]

||yeah he's pretty fun, i thought he was more annoying at first but after having fought him more he's become a high A tier for me. i heard the story after beating him the first time and its so touching and sad, sweet inclusion ||

[hushed sable]

Fr

[upper crest]

i had a friend tell me u could turn that extra one in as part of the 3 to continue the quest

without having all 3

did they fix it?

[visual plinth]

wdym fix it

pretty sure its intended

[upper crest]

oh

[visual plinth]

its just like an alternative thing u can do

[upper crest]

i think i got confused

what u mean

when u say they didnt count

but i get it now

[visual plinth]

the deaths to the things yea

[upper crest]

u mean the deaths not the hearts

yea

[latent spear]

P5 has 2 achievements
One for with flower quest and one for without

[hushed sable]

what

[analog jackal]

steam achievements

is the current conversation

[hushed sable]

but that just is not true lol

there is only 1 P5 achievement

[upper crest]

think hes referring to the 2 endings for p5 but yea theres only one achievement for it and its just clearing it

[hushed sable]

yeah there might be an alternate ending thing but def not another achievement

also fuck me that was 4 years ago

skull emoji

[analog jackal]

yeah there’s an alternate ending that happens if you give god tamer a flower

no achievement attached to it though

[abstract cradle]

Well it checks out seeing as ||it’s the only non-dream boss in the game|| where the runback was completely cut out.

It’s not really that bad of a runback so it definitely wasn’t for mechanical reasons.

[ebon swallow]

Other than some random rooms that idk how to get to, I only have 2 things left to do before I move on to || act 3 ||.
-rescue 2 or 3 more fleas || pls don’t have missed one in sands of karak ||
-explore the remainder of ||putrified ducts||

[civic gale]

The random rooms you never explore always have the most important items
The secrets that you find on your own thru your own actions always have a frayed rosary bead

[ebon swallow]

Just confirmed that I’m actually missing an optional boss: ||voltvrym||

[cloud lichen]

missing the best item in the game

[visual plinth]

was like one of the last things I found in the game

[cloud lichen]

there are some areas that i genuinely don’t know how you’d find

||like i would never have found watcher at the edge it’s so specific||

[visual plinth]

I found that by accident lol

was following mapgenie to the location of a ||memory locket and just saw the gap in the ceiling, I had already gotten the locket lol||

[civic gale]

||how the FUCK do you find wisp thicket blind||

[thin mango]

I found it blind

Just kinda do whatever until something works

[abstract cradle]

And a bottom 3 boss fight.

[latent spear]

Am I dumb
I swore there was an achievement for p5 + flower quest
Maybe that’s a hollow knight achievement but not a steam achievement

[silk grotto]

||i also found it blind but i jumped in basically every corner on the map ||

[cloud lichen]

i think it’s pretty inoffensive

[civic gale]

This game has made me so paranoid about missing a single corner just in case it could lead to a secret

[cloud lichen]

it’s honestly a bit of a flaw imo

[visual plinth]

only issue is how easy it is

[civic gale]

Me when I’m rewarded for going out of my way for a secret (30 rosary beads)
Me when I miss an extremely hidden hole in a wall (an entire fucking new area)

[visual plinth]

finding a cave that gives u 10 shards 🔥

[cloud lichen]

i’ve never seen my thoughts portrayed so well

[ebon swallow]

I had to google for || surgeon’s key || genuinely didn’t know that area existed

Found out later that you get rewarded for having a skill issue. you can get the || key for the Slab || earlier if u just let || that one cage enemy capture you ||otherwise it will || end up in putrified Ducts ||

[civic gale]

||is that the key for the lock in whiteward||

[ebon swallow]

Wait yes

I’m confusing myself lmao

[civic gale]

Mixed up yourself 😭

[ebon swallow]

Mobile didn’t quite say which message u we’re responding to 😭

[abstract cradle]

Still complete dogshit.

If you can make it there at all that boss is not even remotely equipped to deal with you.

[upper crest]

tbh that boss isnt equipped to deal with u as soon as u spawn into the game

[ebon swallow]

I’m missing a flea and I don’t know where…..

[visual plinth]

can i see ur map

thats if u want a tip

[ebon swallow]

I’ve discovered every secret area one might be in

I’ll just talk to || flea caravan ||after I quickly explore rest of || putrified ducts ||

Still missing at least 1

[magic minnow]

idk if it would have each individual flea but u could check if someones finished a silksong save analyzer

[ebon swallow]

Ok ik where it is now

[visual plinth]

clue

[ebon swallow]

Ok got it marked on my map now

[visual plinth]

huge

[ebon swallow]

It is done

It was probably one of the easiest ones 😭

|| far fields. Not pilgrim’s rest one||

[visual plinth]

||the one to the left?||

with ||the trap||

[ebon swallow]

Yes 😭

[visual plinth]

lmfao

that was ||one of the first five i got to skip moorwing in steel soul||

[ebon swallow]

|| silk and soul || time

I only have 1 what

Ok immediately found 1 lol. Figured I’d || talk to NPCs that hadn’t done anything yet||

[hushed sable]

holy fucking shit

[abstract cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/romeo-silk-song-silk-song-hollow-knight-gif-5666116837236911614

[ebon swallow]

Every silksong player’s worst nightmare:

[ebon swallow]

My game completion percentage is somewhere between 89-90%

[cloud lichen]

89.3

[thin mango]

||every completion percentage is just 1%||

[ebon swallow]

… for the game

[abstract cradle]

Steel Soul:

I really do not understand the inclusion of a permadeath mode in a game this punishing, long, and difficult honestly.

[hushed sable]

for the tryhards

[cloud lichen]

lucky for you you don’t have to interact with it

[fossil bloom]

pretty awesome challenge

ive done one attempt and did well enough to raise my confidence for next time

[civic gale]

me when i think i killed the standard area enemy (they are 1 health and about to execute the craziest fucking combo on me)

[hardy osprey]

im a little late to the party but ive finally beaten hollow knight and my ending % was 107% :D

silk song soon maybe idk havent decided

[analog jackal]

i’ll decide for you: yes

[hardy osprey]

[thin mango]

Silksong soon? A better way to say it is silksong now

[civic gale]

I heard a rumour that says that team cherry will release silksong tomorrow

As an end of month shadow drop

[analog jackal]

guys i beat the game today

i haven’t had many opportunities to play since release but i’ve finally made it there

silksong final (non true ending) section ||lace 2 is so sick. extremely fun but fair boss. silk mother or whatever is similar, not too bad and a fun fight for sure. insane atmosphere for both too. desperately need a mossbag lore video now||

[visual plinth]

yay gg

[civic gale]

I figured out what to get hyped for after silksong

KNACK 3 BABY

GIVE IT UP FOR KNACK

[abstract cradle]

no

[novel canyon]

That’s so mean, how could you say that ☹️

[civic gale]

||After playing silksong, perhaps I treated the pale king too harshly||

[abstract cradle]

because knack is unworthy of absolute hype

[civic gale]

Because it’s worthy of SOMETHING MORE

KNACK 3 GOTY

[ebon swallow]

I think HK's || white palace || doesn't look too bad after seeing some of the platforming areas in silksong, like || the gauntlet that then leads to a platforming climb chased by lava || in || far fields || though the one in || act 3|| was also pretty annoying (the first half of it)

[fossil bloom]

it's very very fun

[abstract cradle]

"HK" has a platforming sequence that’s harder than anything in "Silksong"; you are probably going to need to find external material to reach it cause it’s borderline impossible to find on your own.

[ebon swallow]

|| path of pain I assume you mean?|| if so I’m aware lol

That’s why I specified || white palace || since || path of pain || is intended to be pure platforming difficulty

[abstract cradle]

Yes

||And no one recognises the combat at the end of PoP as part of PoP lmao.||

[ebon swallow]

To be fair, it’s not exactly hard and it’s like saying oh yeah you had to fight an ant after escaping a bear attack (weird analogy but idk how exactly to phrase it. I’m tired)

[silk grotto]

||honestly the surface climb in silksong was way more annoying than PoP for me lol|| spoilies for a secret optional area in a3

[abstract cradle]

Oh I agree it’s far more annoying.

But also it’s easier.

[silk grotto]

ill take something harder but consistent over easier but inconsistent any day

[hushed sable]

I didn’t find it too bad

It wasn’t particularly long

[ebon swallow]

Miscalculated before, but now I am able to see my percent in the menu

I’m at 88%

[hushed sable]

ok this 30 hour achievement is super lenient

at 83% with like less than 16 hours rn

[civic gale]

Are you using the ||white ward rosary farm?||

[hushed sable]

I will be shortly

been getting stuff that ||doesn't need farming||

[civic gale]

Ngl ||low% silksong looks insane||

[hushed sable]

I haven't watched it but I'm sure

[hushed sable]

light work

🗿

[clever goblet]

Same

🗿

I dont wanna

[upper crest]

just abuse quitting out when ur about to die 💯

[clever goblet]

This makes it less of a challenge and more of a tedious safety/cheese clown circus

[hushed sable]

"yeah I'm at 2 masks but lowkey I clutch this out"

inb4

[civic gale]

other ppl be like "im at low hp i gotta play it safe"

my stupid ass at 1 hp:

https://tenor.com/view/toji-toji-fushiguro-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-fight-gif-5986540653072067697

[ebon swallow]

Difficulty Tier list so far (using my deaths~ as measurement kinda)
Assume full game spoilers. Difficulty also ascends from right to left(mostly)

||tormented trobbio || should actually be my second hardest one but ohwell

I def got some unpopular opinions here

[latent spear]

the fuck is ||phantom|| doing past ||first sinner||
||phhantom|| was first try for me and ||sinner|| took me like 6

[hushed sable]

||bell beast|| above ||second sentinel|| is crazy

[visual plinth]

first try ||chef || kinda wild

[hushed sable]

I did that one first try lol

tho I did a few random ones first try and then got bodied on some other dumb ones

[ebon swallow]

|| second sentinel || was like 2nd try for me lol

[ebon swallow]

Mostly bc I was fighting || phantom || before I got better tools and upgrades so it was a lot harder. Eventually came back to it and beat it more easily.

[hushed sable]

on the 100% runback, the boss I got clapped by the hardest was probs ||karmelita||

lowkey hardest fight in the game

[ebon swallow]

||palestag|| is annoying I’m now finding out

[visual plinth]

i just suck 🔥

[hushed sable]

to be fair, I died to them on the runback for 100% speedrun

[visual plinth]

they were one of my 2 steel soul s&qs

[hushed sable]

steel soul...

I don't need to worry about the ||dream fights right?||

like ||getting my ass handed to me by karmelita is fine and won't kill the run?||

[visual plinth]

in steel soul || i died to karm and clover dancers once too||

[visual plinth]

ya

[hushed sable]

ok bet

thank god I don't have to fight ||seth||

he kicked my ass on the runback as well

[visual plinth]

honestly...

i did skip ||him but first tried him, and u can just dip if ur low||

||was after i got hundo so no pressure but still||

[hushed sable]

fair

[visual plinth]

after i s&q at |||chef || i used ||plasmium for the rest of the run, so goated, esp with the steel soul tool||

[hushed sable]

I think I first tried ||clover dancers|| the one time I fought them lmao

[visual plinth]

real

[hushed sable]

is it actually as op as it seems

might need to hop on

[visual plinth]

if u play smart yea

but...... ||refilling before act 3 sucks ass||

[hushed sable]

yeah I believe it

[visual plinth]

and ||say goodbye to ur shards||

[hushed sable]

I'm just gonna follow the 100% speedrun route and do that steel soul

even tho it's like

very much not routed for safety

I honestly don't care, I ain't doing another scavenger hunt run

plus funny save and quit

[visual plinth]

I very much routed for safety in like most scenarios

[hushed sable]

I'll play the fights safe but that's about all I can be bothered to do

[visual plinth]

and it took me same time as my speedrun file

[hushed sable]

what no deaths does to a mf

[visual plinth]

I died like a fair bit in that file too

[hushed sable]

like realistically I totally could've just done both in the same file but w/e

I don't plan on speedrunning silksong anyhow

I can do platforming, but I am NOT good at doing bosses quickly without trolling

definitely out of my comfort zone there

I don't see myself speedrunning any other game until Super Meat Boy 3D drops

once that game drops I'm gone frfr

[visual plinth]

yeah same

[hushed sable]

unless it's like hot garbage

[visual plinth]

[hushed sable]

surely not.

[latent spear]

Worst made fight in the game

[ebon swallow]

A gauntlet would be more interesting

My deaths to the || high halls gauntlet || is still more than any boss fight

[latent spear]

Really
I think the ||coral tower|| gauntlet took me a lot but the ||high halls|| gauntlet was not that bad

[ebon swallow]

|| coral tower || gauntlet took me a bit but not as long as || high halls || it was mainly the || 2nd room || that made it hard since I’d be low health by time I get near the end of || 3rd room ||

Really only 1 enemy that made it hard

All for it to lead to || one of the easiest boss fights || in the game

[hushed sable]

idk if I'd say it's that easy, but maybe that's just me

maybe I was just playing greedy

[ebon swallow]

I didn’t find dodging hard at all and I did it first try

I didn’t use || tools || for it

[visual plinth]

||i did him first try in all 3 runs||

[latent spear]

||I did him second try because first try I was at 1 hp going in because I had just done all the arenas and hadn’t gotten the thing to skip the first 3 yet||

[visual plinth]

||ive gotten the shortcut every time but never used it..||

[abstract cradle]

Yeah "HK" is laughably easy after "Silksong" (playthrough I just did is in save slot 2).

Have a couple non-Godmaster things I could still do but honestly don’t think I can be arsed to bother atp.

[visual plinth]

gg

All bosses/some arenas - death count from casual playthrough

[visual plinth]

oh I forgot ||sister splinter which I had 9 deaths to between moorwing and widow||

[hushed sable]

||High Halls and Groal 😭||

[visual plinth]

||I think high halls took me 2 hours and groal took me like 5..||

[hushed sable]

Oh man

I was tilted after dying on ||groal like 8 times lmao||

I first tried him in the runback tho

I feel like ||bilewater gets way more chill|| the more you play

FUCK ||Putrified Ducts|| though

That place is garrrrrrbo

I know Team Cherry was like “ok how can we make actually the most annoying enemies possible” and then went with that