Balatro

[wooden pecan]

i'm doing gold stake so i've only ever gotten trib once

since i won with it and it won't spawn anymore

it's probably been like 75 hours of in game since i've seen trib

also why would you put idol/showman anywhere other than f

baron i can understand putting in d or even c maybe but it's such a useless joker

[wooden pecan]

the generic +chips for hand jokers are unironically better because at least they help early game

if you pull baron early it doesn't help you survive early antes at all

if you pull it late you won't have time to meaningfully deckfix unless you happen to have already been going kings for some reason

there's like almost literally zero situation in which i could ever conceive me wanting to buy baron in an ante 8 run

people just see it used in naneinf all the time and assume it's great

also bringing this up again

Hanging Chad can be:

+60 chips (bonus card)

+8 mult (mult card)

x4 mult (glass or photograph)

x2.25 mult (polychrome)

~$3 + ~+10 mult (lucky card)

+$6 (gold seal)

+100 chips (stone card or foil edition)

extra scaling for wee / hiker

on top of that it's also compatible with every hand type, giving you at the very least ~20 chips

[gleaming surge]

idol is just trib if you have good enough deck fixing

[wooden pecan]

it also synergizes with everything from ancient joker to scary face to wee scaling to the basic suit jokers

[gleaming surge]

and showman is fun + chance for more bp and bs

[wooden pecan]

this is for ante 8 gold stake though

[wooden pecan]

fun doesn't mean good lol

[gleaming surge]

downvote

[wooden pecan]

jokers = 1/3rd of the shop + 5% chance of rare + 10% chance of brainstorm/blueprint

equals around

.165% chance of showman working

[wooden pecan]

good enough deck fixing for idol happens by like ante 12 unless you get god rng on trading card + having other cards to carry you

and if you can reasonably destroy your entire deck to get idol online your other jokers were already enough to beat ante 8

[last flame]

I was 1v1ing a friend and bro lowkey got cooked

[austere rune]

the randomisation deck . flush five joker .

[wooden pecan]

yippe!

that's seance!

freest pair run of my life lmao

145/150!

5 jokers remain!

we've got chicot and canio

missing flower pot

missing pareidolia (my least favorite joker)

and uh

madness

somehow

lmao

[last flame]

pareidolia has killed more runs then it has helped

[sly cypress]

Matador taking $9 + interest every ante just to maybe make it back depending on the boss blind and if he feels like it

💔

[last flame]

yeah why did u take matador

[gleaming surge]

temp value 🗿

[last flame]

[wooden pecan]

final shop of the run lmao

ignore matador

also, there's chicot!

146/150

[wooden pecan]

i have gotten pareidolia maybe 15 times and lost every single run

[last flame]

same

a bit less tho

[opaque spire]

huge photograph synergy

[wooden pecan]

fun fact: i also found pareidolia AND madness during this run lmao

i passed on both though because i was much more concerned with getting chicot through

hilarious that my 2 of my 5 final jokers for c++ are legendaries lmao

what a nuts session

seance AND chicot

we're almost there!!! four left

[iron spade]

Pareidolia is nice but it makes you really really vulnerable to the plant (obviously)

the moment you get it its game over

[wooden pecan]

it’s also generally a waste of a slot, most synergy jokers take a second useless slot like reserved parking/business card/faceless joker

[wooden pecan]

then aditionally, there’s the mark (all face cards face down)

so it takes investment, is often a slot or two that doesn’t help with scoring, gets you autonuked by two bosses, and is just generally really annoying

[iron spade]

True true

[austere rune]

i probably should've realised this

but

madness is not immune to another madness

[last flame]

💀

[iron spade]

[sly cypress]

Easy fix

Eternal madness

[last flame]

8 eternal negative madness wowie

[sly cypress]

2.5x mult each round

not enough to scale endless tho

[hallow hazel]

pog

[sly cypress]

Extinct!

[sly cypress]

THE GIFTED RUN

ante 2 btw

[opaque spire]

gg

[austere rune]

🧠

[opaque spire]

[last flame]

THE BRAINSTORM TO DUPLICATE THE BRAIN STORM WOWIE

CINEMA!

[austere rune]

im not actually stupid i just wanted the run to end and got ankh

i was just going for 5 glass cards for the joker thing

heres a run that actually did go fa

far

lots of x1.5

i only have 8 jokers left to find

and one is chicot

💔

[opaque spire]

the dream honestly

[sly cypress]

SHIT

[wooden pecan]

winnable with a high enough flush level

did you live?

also i like how you skipped for the negative tag and then realized what the boss was

[sly cypress]

Nomegalul

[wooden pecan]

shame

[sly cypress]

I was tryna speedrun the run bc I thought it was free and I had something to do asap

I also didn’t realise I was holding a moon and NOT a world

[sly cypress]

insane run

i had to pass on a brainstorm bc it wasnt eternal

[wooden pecan]

147/150

lost a madness and a flower pot run earlier but i got my final legendary! so today was a success

madness, flower pot, and pareidolia are all that remain

[south meadow]

this game knows exactly what i want

[quick maple]

was a funny build lol

played it horribly tho

also got none of the tarots i wanted :P

another interesting start at ante 2

what are these seeds????

lmfao

[sly cypress]

just wait till you find an ecto

/antimatter

[quick maple]

yeah

[sly cypress]

[last flame]

my god

its a travesty that the bp is foil

[quick maple]

playing a royal flush as my last hand

beautiful seed

ughh but flush scores more im playing flush :(

[sly cypress]

"choose your path" ahhh pack 😭

[sly cypress]

way WAYYYY too close

[opaque spire]

eroding

[sly cypress]

the run felt like it was on its final ante every ante

[quick maple]

it was a good run

lol

no baron :(

[gaunt zenith]

ayo wtf erratic deck

[wooden pecan]

err… at just happened

[sly cypress]

i need to do all the challenges

but jokerless is SO BORING

[last flame]

clearly u need a blue seal to spice up the run

[wooden pecan]

agreed

i did it for like an hour and a half and decided to not

i’m at 147/150 for c++ and i still haven’t done the last 3 challenges

[opal wadi]

[austere rune]

tribe + 2 stencils one negative

fucked over by discard rng

thank you america

this had so much potential im so pissed rn

[austere rune]

absolutely nothing wrong with this run it just wasnt my tribe and 2 stencils :(

[wooden pecan]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[short cosmos]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[sly cypress]

I haven’t taken blackboard in a hot minute

I forgot it’s in the game tbh it shows up so rarely

Damn good joker tho

Also pain

[bright shuttle]

whiteboard

[wooden pecan]

SS tier joker

it’s basically just cavendish

i’d call it the third best joker in the game

[obtuse patrol]

Depends when it shows up

After a certain point it's kinda worthless compared to Cavendish which just always works

[sly cypress]

I mean after a certain point more xmult will always be better than flat mult

[obtuse patrol]

Yep

[sly cypress]

i wish i used ancient joker more

i love it and its really good

but like, almost every ancient joker run i do devolves into photochad

[timid belfry]

https://i.imgur.com/hxvBrlB.png

neat 🙂

[austere rune]

my dumbass tried to use a second ankh on my poly throwback so i just reran the seed

[sly cypress]

ancient is so good

god damn

[last flame]

wwww

[cerulean orbit]

yeh i wasnt getting close

[austere rune]

BALATRO GRIND

i made my little brother play it

he got to ante 4 and lost

and then died

[sly cypress]

Like

Irl?

[austere rune]

no

[sly cypress]

Oh

[austere rune]

he just died in game

an even worse fate

[sly cypress]

I’d rather die than lost a balator run

[austere rune]

real 💜

[timid belfry]

I would never photochad

[south meadow]

whats the strat for double or nothing?

[clever sentinel]

Ignore your cards and focus on upgrading your hands and scaling your jokers

Using glass on the cards you save can get you an ez win in the endgame though

[south meadow]

will give it a shot later tyty

[austere rune]

lowkey guy

guys

i might just lose it

[last flame]

trance?

what in God's name is this build

😨

[austere rune]

literally nothing worth grabbing

rerolled like 60 times

[last flame]

[austere rune]

nothing bro

not even a wheel of fort

craziest thing is there was an ankh in the shop in ante 1 if i just kep it i couldve had 3 perkeos

not that useful

but funny

[last flame]

no

perkeo isn't eternal

[austere rune]

yeah but it was invis joker

so i couldve pivoted

[last flame]

ohhh

yeah maube

[austere rune]

grab ankh and keep it

get perkeo

sell and use ankh

2 perkeo

buy invis

pray

[last flame]

yah and then just get flush levels and pray

for observatory

[austere rune]

genuinely going to lose my mind

HIPSDAFXN;KDETPQHINFO;KG NIK,FET;QPA4IHNOB

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.

out of every run to appear on

he comes on the one that looks like THIS

[last flame]

luck of the draw

[austere rune]

it got good i guess

[sly cypress]

ante 3 boss
round 4

Yeah this is what happens when you skip

[austere rune]

in my defence

it was

they were good skips

PLUS I LOST CUS I DIDNT GET A DIAMOND THERE

[sly cypress]

There’s like maybe 2 good skips in the game

[austere rune]

not cus the score was too high

smh

[sly cypress]

Deck fixing

[austere rune]

im playing ancient joker bro

deck fixing is like

the last thing you do one that

[sly cypress]

Or idk maybe like a paint brush or recycling or jugular or something

[sly cypress]

Yeah you hold the suit arcana’s in your hand

For this exact situation

Also wild cards exist

https://tenor.com/view/my-goat's-washed-goat-washed-stan-twitter-goat-sistertonin-your-goats-washed-gif-11638189080627954741

[austere rune]

wild cards get debuffed by every suit debuff boss

lowkey ass

[sly cypress]

70% of the time you see a debuff boss in the first 2 antes

Maybe even two

And also reroll voucher, luchador, just choosing the normal cards

It’s for consistency

[last flame]

0 deck fixing so like is it really worth it

[opaque spire]

what

deck fixing is 100% what u do with ancient joker

[azure cypress]

ancient joker doesnt change with ur suit amount like castle and things do

its a pure 1/4

[opaque spire]

yes that's why you build for red seal wildcards

so it's a 1/1

[clever sentinel]

Tbf you kinda need to do a lot of things to make a wild card build work

Boss rerolls, deck fixing then copy a wild card or just pray you get a lot of wild tarots

Idk guy like me never run ancient joker but it’s definitely not bad in the slightest

[opaque spire]

this was my best run with it

[sly cypress]

Just run ancient joker in checkered deck and hit the 50/50 every single time

[gleaming surge]

im sad because im bad at balatro

[gleaming surge]

this is just not how it works

[gleaming surge]

.

[obtuse patrol]

Just boss up

[cerulean orbit]

i had one hand type as flush

and i royal flushed right at the end

so i killed my run

actually a huge fumble on my part

[sly cypress]

That’s what I meant by 50 50

50% chance of a suit that’s in your deck

If you miss the 50/50 you’re just bad

[gleaming surge]

oh

icant

[quick maple]

[gleaming surge]

this helped

[obtuse patrol]

Any time

[sly cypress]

I can’t wait to beat every deck on gold stake

So I can’t stop playing shit like black deck

Actual handicap deck

[last flame]

same bro

[gleaming surge]

this was with no rerolls until ante 9 btw

[hollow burrow]

Farthest ive ever made it with madness

I just could not find any eternal jokers worth a damn

[last flame]

it truely be like that sometimes

[timid belfry]

Figured I'll share this here but there has been balatro discussion recently in the main bala server that might be interesting

regarding balatro 1.1

Main things -

• This is a message from LocalThunk
  || "Blue Stake is horrible, Will be reworked with a fun change, but the biggest issue is it really kills 5 card strats, it's the worst part of this game and it isn't even close, -1 discard is way to perscriptive for high-probability hands, I want big hands to be more viable at high level play, whatever it gets replaced with will end up being less restrictive for higher stakes, normal gold stake will be quite a bit easier"||

||Matador, some balance changes to some numbers, some numbers may go up, some may go down, He also said "I predict the new update will have atleast 2 new jokers, may be relating to food jokers, but that isn't news"||

||lets' just say that Wild Cards will be more of a buff, will definitely not be the worst enhancement anymore, it won't need a 2 card buff||

||May make mod support a bit easier to access, Steamodded baked into the official game, to make their job easier||

[clever sentinel]

Interesting

Blue stake is definitely where the difficulty ramps up, didn't think it would warrant a rework though

[last flame]

this man is the goat

[hollow burrow]

those updates seem cool

[gleaming surge]

doid

oh nvm i clutched with the jack of hearts

goated

white stake too ez

well the plant just showed up so i need to roll down

[last flame]

white stake is so free

I'm super hyped for the blue stake rework tho

[gleaming surge]

167$ to find luchador

couldnt find it

doid

silly run

also yay

oh yeah i got the trib from a r1 charm tag

was just being silly and messing around and found that

no seed sorting

[indigo fox]

I would Love if wild cards were immune to the “all [x suits] debuffed boss blinds”

But based on what thunk is saying it seems like it’d be bigger than that

Blue stake did suck ass for me but that was mostly because I was being a dumbass

[last flame]

i hate blue stake

[dusky verge]

you hear local thunk might change it

[sly cypress]

blue stake just isnt fun

it doesnt make you think about your strategy more it just makes some hands completely unviable for the early game

[clever sentinel]

As much as I love high card, pair and two pair

God does it get so boring for gold stake

[sly cypress]

Gold stake players when you show them something that isn’t photochad

[wooden pecan]

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I GOT MADNESS GOLD STAKE

YEAHHHHHHHHHH BABY

148/150!!!!!!!!!!!!!

level 31 pair and x3 on the madness

[obtuse patrol]

This is the one thing stopping me from using wildcards

id rather skip for no value then make a card of mine debuffed in like 25% of all the boss blinds

plus wild isnt lucky card

nothing is going to beat lucky cards

[gaunt zenith]

the last one I think is really baller, backed in mod support for both devs and players is always awesome

I'm really hoping for new either probability jokers (idk what everyone calls them, but stuff like space or blood stone where you have a chance at getting something) or directional based jokers (blueprint and brainstorm)

mainly the latter, cause I find blueprint most fun when I have to constantly move it around to truly get the most it can offer

[azure cypress]

thunk said he tries to stay away from jokers that need to be moved like that constantly. and its the reason that blueprint doesnt work with end of round effects | source: https://youtu.be/XjWSCuZYSqI?si=EQOh_ml2V4t8wJbH&t=385

[gaunt zenith]

yeah I saw this video shortly after I said that

kinda a shame

[azure cypress]

i personally find them fun and awesome but thunk doesn't and thats where mods come in

[gaunt zenith]

cause I find it extremely fun

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh true

[dusk island]

too lazy to watch, is there an expected release date for the update

[timid belfry]

When it's done

that is infact what he said

[dusk island]

lmao fair enough!

[timid belfry]

https://i.imgur.com/mzLW3y0.png

matador joker run :3

[austere rune]

after 50 hours

my statement on this game

is

its fun

[sly cypress]

ante 1 first shop spectral pack green deck

what you choosin

[clever sentinel]

There is only one correct answer

[sly cypress]

ouija

[dusk island]

does castle only work for suits you have

or can it be all four

[clever sentinel]

It's only for suits you have @dusk island

iirc

[dusk island]

yessssss

banger for checkered deck then

[clever sentinel]

I remember getting it a lot for checkered deck and it was only hearts and spades

yea

[dusk island]

i’m on ante 1 going for my first gold stake, hoping this carries me

or not carries but helps

[dusk island]

^didnt win this run but…

first gold stake win 😌

[clever sentinel]

[dusk island]

absolutely cracked lineup

[clever sentinel]

wtf lol

No kidding

[dusk island]

i was able to manipulate an invisible joker to copy the blueprint very early

and everything else fell into my lap pretty much

[sly cypress]

I forgot that riff raff can just give you nat negative jokers

Absolutely goated card tbh

[timid belfry]

hear me out

let me cook

[opal wadi]

Does this like

When you

Nevermind brains not working

[timid belfry]

there's a weird mechanic with chicot where it applies the boss blind ruling again, but in the negative direction for some reason

say, as a example if you run the manacle instead of just disableing the boss blind it just gives you back +1 hand size, multiple chicot's do that to that multiple times and it's permanant for some reason

[opal wadi]

Thats ehat i was gettin at

Couldnt think tho LMAO

[timid belfry]

it works with the Water, the Wall, The Needle and Violet Vessel

aswell

[opal wadi]

[last flame]

I did that bug!

It's really strong!

[hallow hazel]

Finally this fucking dogshit deck is done on gold stake, i hope who designed this [REDACTED]

only green left

[dusk island]

you’re so real for that

[wooden pecan]

guys

this could be it

my final two

in ONE RUN

[gleaming surge]

[clever sentinel]

inb4 plant

[wooden pecan]

that hurts lmfao

[wooden pecan]

doesn't really super matter

i'm at level 6 flush

[clever sentinel]

but i mean, should be fine as long as your flat mult is good

yea

[wooden pecan]

my mult is all from the xmults

so

like

HOPEFULLY

i just hit 155k off one flush

holy shit

do i even get this???

it'd literally be the second time i've ever bought it LMAO

PLEASE

I SHOULD BE GOOD

IT'S FUCKING OVER

YES

I DID IT

150 JOKERS

150 OUT OF 150 JOKERS

160 HOURS ON STEAM

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO

I'M FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

https://tenor.com/view/hbox-hungrybox-gaming-faint-die-gif-21121550

[last flame]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-robin-hsr-hsr-honkai-star-rail-gif-13434930028784677741

goat activity

[wooden pecan]

goat game

balatro's such a fucking good game dude

[sly cypress]

these are so fkin good

[austere rune]

did rich get richer

brainstorm bloodstone oops all sixes with canio just for fun

[last flame]

u needed some retriggers

[austere rune]

yeah

was trying to reroll for negative chad

[last flame]

a hack or sock would do you sm better

[sly cypress]

if you got the chad just sell canio tbh

canio would need to be like x60 to be as valuable as chad

[hollow burrow]

Baseball card is so easy mode

[timid belfry]

https://i.imgur.com/mpoNsZR.png

loyalty, vagabond and mystic ☑️

[timid belfry]

uhhh

backseaters

i need ppl to help cook

https://i.imgur.com/rdqJcwp.png

https://i.imgur.com/Z1UmeFD.png

perkeo, flowr pot, obelisk, ramen and raised fist done

[timid belfry]

https://i.imgur.com/hBy2GXw.png

idol, shortcut, order and ticket

[hollow burrow]

NOOOOO

[obtuse patrol]

[hollow burrow]

I misplayed too

I coulda done it

It was cerulean bell and i had steel joker and a chariot card. I didnt use chariot for first hand cause i cant select a card and still hold it

But i should have used it anyways to buff steel joker

I just didnt think of that till second hand

[sly cypress]

gay

[dusk island]

thats actually so sad

[cerulean orbit]

blind went from 200k to 800k

yeh i didnt stand a chance

[last flame]

insane levels of flat mult

[cerulean orbit]

speak to me in stupid persons terms

[quick maple]

so you see the jokers that give multiplier

flat mult is the ones with the + sign on them

[dusk island]

no but actually

freest challenge of my life

[hollow burrow]

Maybe one of the best jokers in the game as far as clearing ante 8 imo

Maybe not for like scoring high scientific notation or anything but for clears its so free

[dusk island]

it really is

i’ve been doing challenge runs and the two cards i’ve found that can solo basically any challenge are baseball and stuntman

[sly cypress]

Stuntman is incredible

Unless you ankh it and run into the psychic

[azure cypress]

STUNTMAN IS MY FUCKING GOAT

AFTER HOLDING THE SPEEDRUN WR FOR BALATRO I WILL CHERISH THAT MF

[sly cypress]

You did HUH??

[azure cypress]

Yeah for the demo and early stages of Balatro I held the wr for it, gotta get back to it cuz I can easily steal some of the wr’s

Localthunk was in our speedrun server and we got some qol stuff added to the game for the run [there used to be a 3 second delay before being able to play any card in a boss blind, I got that removed :3]

Shout out the goat thunk

[wooden pecan]

new pb

random seed

couldn't quite go all the way

had a hack red seal glass 2s run

got two souls during it lmaooo

went to go get my mandatory white stake run so the steam achievement for c++ would trigger lmaoooo

ended up being all time random seed high score

oh wait no i got ante 16 once

when did i do this????

[azure cypress]

what challenges do u have left

[wooden pecan]

last three

[azure cypress]

if its jokerless u gotta just do that, that shit is so easy

[wooden pecan]

haven't gone for them yet

got c++ like two days ago

[azure cypress]

restart for a telescope voucher in first shop, while playing straights. and look for blue seals. you will just win lol

[wooden pecan]

sounds good

[clever sentinel]

After like ante 3, jokerless becomes pretty hard to lose

[sly cypress]

why

as soon as i choose a madness run

It was yorick and i found a merry andy

all is healed

x17 by ante 9

gawd dayumn

[dusky verge]

is there any way to nan inf this. I don't know what to do. Good run so far obviosly but kind of lacking on points

[clever sentinel]

Reroll for burglar, reroll boss for the serpent

Unfortunately you're broke so that's not gonna happen

[dusky verge]

I also unfortunatly only have directors cut

[clever sentinel]

rip

[short cosmos]

Damn, conedle calling you out wert

[dusky verge]

it's true though

sadly

lost the run

[obtuse patrol]

[wooden pecan]

burglar??

for what??

get rid of a baron??

or a mime??

he has four discards too so he’d be losing out if serpent was there

[clever sentinel]

It's a strat to get naneinf without perkeo, you copy a burglar to get a billion hands

Then spam one card to draw the whole deck

[wooden pecan]

oh right i forgot that blueprint copies the burg

local c++ gamer forgets how one of their most played jokers works

my bad lmao

[cerulean orbit]

ok this is stupid

[opaque spire]

get goaded

[south meadow]

i kinda have garunteed gold stake win

what are the hardest jokers to get stickers on that i can chuck into this

decided to just get the perishables done

but thats magic deck done just nebula and black left

[cerulean orbit]

beat red for first time

[last flame]

nice

[cerulean orbit]

by playing an ace card

i threw

before my king

(it was a mult card)

[last flame]

happens

[cerulean orbit]

ummm ok

[last flame]

id just sell paradolia lmao

[cerulean orbit]

thats what i did when i realised it

[sly cypress]

is paredolia even doin anything in that build other than being an uncommon

[cerulean orbit]

nope

[last flame]

sounds like paradolia for yah

[cerulean orbit]

this seed kinda cracked at the start

[sly cypress]

paradolia is one of the worst jokers i swear but new players always think of it as some kind of broken joker

[cerulean orbit]

i just had it cause the store was offering much

[last flame]

honest to god ive only used it successful once with like

golden mask and a golden ticket

after the whole deck is gold its just worth to sell both though

unless u find a vamp

which is like

COME ON

[sly cypress]

even then

its so much more efficient to just find deck fixing like death and such and just use the extra joker slot more efficiently

[cerulean orbit]

when it says random does it meann it will overwrite if it hits on one with enchant

for wof

it doesnt and i hit it lol

[sly cypress]

no

you cannot get an enhancement on a joker that already has an enhancement

like say if you use the "ectoplasm" spectral pack, it cant give negative to a joker already with any enhancement

[cerulean orbit]

would it be best to drop the joker far left

its neg tho

[last flame]

prolly uh

4th one

[cerulean orbit]

true i aint used it

[cerulean orbit]

dawg the blind went from 1.2 mill to 7 mill

Yah not even close lol new HS overall tho

the first 4 blind skips were kinda goated

[last flame]

not enough scaling

[wooden pecan]

honestly ggs michael can be a hard sticker to get

[wooden pecan]

in my experience the hardest was pareidolia

by a long shot

[cerulean orbit]

why this card out of all of em

[south meadow]

is that just cus the plant?

[wooden pecan]

and the “face down” one

and the fact that it does nothing pretty much

and the fact that if you get it early you lose

[wooden pecan]

from rental/no scoring

so it’s useless+

actively hurts your run on top of being useless

i would say that optimally you get it in ante 8 with a slot to spare

took a lot of attempts for that to happen

[wooden pecan]

lost to violet vessel because i was a joker down, lost to both plant and this, lost to bad early econ, lost to rental, lost to etc etc

bane of my existance mega F worst joker in the game

[wooden pecan]

okay wait

who said saturns on jokerless

[wooden pecan]

literally my first attempt i won

didn't find telescope

but i found blue seals

played straights

are you magic???

speal that was my first attempt at jokerless

[azure cypress]

Yeah it’s fucking op

I also did it first attempt after I realized the method, gg twin

[wooden pecan]

deck btw

guess i gotta beat needle and cruelty now

any magic advice for those or

[quick maple]

highest photochad ive had to date

bought oops for the fans

i at one point had 3 photos

[last flame]

photochad with the oops

(very speculative)

[timid belfry]

Trying to setup balatro archipelago, anyone have any fucking clue if it loads with Balatro mod maneger?

[timid belfry]

nvm, got it workin

[sly cypress]

green deck gold stake done

along with some gold stickers on everything but chad

[austere rune]

if you get blueprint while doing photochad is it more useful to copy chad or photocard

no wait im stupid its photo

nvm

[sly cypress]

photo until you find another copy effect such as brainstorm

then its one copy photo one copy chad

[austere rune]

aight

[quick maple]

always equalize em

like if u had 2 photos youd copy chad

[austere rune]

i only thought abt copy chad cus i have lots of lucky cards

so retriggering

[quick maple]

oh

if ur scoring enough do tgat

🤑

[sly cypress]

5 x 5 is better than 7 x 3

aint no way

[quick maple]

what

what are these numbers 🗣️

[sly cypress]

its hard to visualise when it comes to photochad

[austere rune]

NEVER DOUBT WHEEL OF FORTUNE

[last flame]

yeah kinda

[dusk island]

second gold stake win

blueprint is so broken lmao

[timid belfry]

https://i.imgur.com/pkjjvZW.png

another balatro win :3

suprisingly using pairs works really well for this who knew

[last flame]

everytime I've remembered pairs exist I win

💀 💀

[timid belfry]

https://i.imgur.com/cSi9G0R.png

fuckin finally got baron through

I swear baron in lategame runs never fuckin work for me

[timid belfry]

also chicot is nice

https://i.imgur.com/vDYglUp.png

[wooden pecan]

finished my tier list

source: did completionist++ in about 150 hours

[last flame]

bloodstone is so hit or miss

[dusky verge]

Sock and bussin and hack being so low is crazy but okay.

Lucky cat is also very situational to me and needs to be in the same teir as all 6's because they need eachother

[wooden pecan]

it's for ante 8

reasonably speaking, s&b/hack are both jokers that require deck setup to work

they're great if your deck is mostly the required numbers or you've got glass copies of them

but the thing is that you're not really setting up your deck in advance for them

they're both uncommon

especially in the case of hack; i'll usually spend my hanged man on the exact things hack wants in the deck

[dusky verge]

isn't hack uncommon or am I crazy

[wooden pecan]

so by the time that i see them there's a strong chance it's too late to set up my deck and i've already started doign something else

[wooden pecan]

it is oops

i dunno why i said that mb

[wooden pecan]

i'm never ever gonna change my strategy to pick up a hack/s&b

if i've already got anything going it's not worth trying to transition

[dusky verge]

no worries those are good points but to me it is crazy you put hanging so much higher

[wooden pecan]

the thing about hanging is that it works with like

literally anything in the game

since you can rearrange hands, basically anything benefits with chad

half of the tarots, half of the jokers

it's a common

it's cheap

you can slot it into literally anything and it synergizes with anything

it's second to like literally blueprint as "most versatile joker"

if i have a slot open there's a 99% chance i'll pick up a chad

even if i sell it for something better later it was still cheap

it's just so useful always

i think it's my most played joker actually

[wooden pecan]

yeah bloodstone is so ass bro

on average it's like 2.5x mult before jokers

[wooden pecan]

lucky cat doesn't need 6s btw

i'll almost always take a magician anytime it's in the shop so i usually have lucky cards in advance

and a one in five chance for like

just playing the game???

the give xmult??

it's so good

it's not quite as consistent as hologram but it barely takes an ante until it's already cooking

(plus, as with all of the scaling jokers, it's immune to perishable)

6s is nice to go crazy but it takes 8 total lucky card hits for it to be better than cavendish

and like i said, i'm already grabbing lucky cards as much as i can anyways

[wooden pecan]

any other questions/explanations?

[sly cypress]

Why Midas so high

The joker is like

Ok

[dusk island]

i understand that this isn't a naninf tier list but i still don't think that baron is f tier for gold stake

looking at everything else i would think high d low c for it

also is this specifically a tier list for jokers that you want to have in your hand for ante 8? bc if it's just for gold stakes in general, hiker has to be much higher, no?

[wooden pecan]

midas is unbelievably good because you have the option to sell it

a midas will usually produce more econ than any other joker in the game after you’ve sold it

if there was a voucher in the shop that said “gain 6 dollars at end of round” would you take it?

you can reasonably get 12(!) gold cards in your deck in around 3-4 blinds

[clever sentinel]

Midas is great yeah

[wooden pecan]

worst case is that you’re forced to use the cards that are golded (in which case no harm no foul)

best case is that you can get like $15 dollars a round with a pair build

[wooden pecan]

baron is just so dogshit

it’s like literally as good as actual jimbo joker early on

and lategame you never want to take it because it requires restructuring your whole build

[wooden pecan]

(seriously: an unleveled flush with two kings in hand = +4.5 mult)

except it also cost you 8 dollars and requires that you find those kings

[last flame]

baron is rly only worth if you already have a bunch of steel kings and leveled highcard

[wooden pecan]

hiker just kinda doesn’t do much is the only thing

planets are much better than hiker usually

a hiker can reasonably be like +60-150 chips by the end

but getting a couple planets makes that completely negligible

[last flame]

the only time I got it to work was like a photochad highcard build with mime and steel cards

[wooden pecan]

i’ll take a hiker but it usually just kinda does nothing

[wooden pecan]

yeah that’s an insane prereq for baron to be useful

[wooden pecan]

and like

[last flame]

EXACTLY

[wooden pecan]

when do you ever have that???

i don’t fix my deck with steel kings just in case i get a rare joker

[last flame]

it was a 1 in a krillion run

baron is fun at white stake tho

[wooden pecan]

honestly if they changed baron to common i wouldn’t bat an eye

obviously they won’t (and shouldn’t)

[last flame]

cus then u have time to actually work with it

[clever sentinel]

Baron gold stake is always a throw

[wooden pecan]

but it’s definitely getting put to uncommon

[clever sentinel]

I see too many players ||pomegranate|| try to pick up baron ante 7 with no setup

[last flame]

mime should be a rare but I ain't complaining bout it being uncommon

[wooden pecan]

and again, hiker is alright, and it usually has literally zero downsides

[last flame]

it's so juiced

[wooden pecan]

the problem is that hiker is just

also not much upside

[wooden pecan]

i’m pretty confident i could make a logical case for the positioning for basically everything here

[quick maple]

i didnt even pick it up ho

[clever sentinel]

try

[quick maple]

it was ante 11

ho

[clever sentinel]

That is fair

I couldn't remember

[dusk island]

i see what you’re saying

[clever sentinel]

7, 11

[dusk island]

i can agree w that

[clever sentinel]

They're the same numbers

7/11 the store

yknow

[dusk island]

i do think i would move hiker up a tier still

[quick maple]

i want a slushy now

[clever sentinel]

type shit

[dusk island]

i will say that when given the option i always use steels on my kings, just in case

[hollow burrow]

same

[timid belfry]

https://i.imgur.com/eXsFLw0.jpeg

thoughts

[clever sentinel]

Constellation too expensive to be s+

Gift card in F

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-breaking-bad-walter-heisenberg-crawl-space-gif-19584363

Man I could go on and on but I don't wanna complain atm

zzz

[sly cypress]

idk i just think midas is like

kinda mid post-blue stake

[quick maple]

gift card is peak

solid b+ from me

[sly cypress]

Gift card is like egg but better

Wait

I’m thinking off

The present one

No wait that is gift card

Fuck

Why are there two castes

Cards

[quick maple]

baron in F is just psycho

[sly cypress]

Baron is kinda mid ngl

[timid belfry]

baron in gold stake is hard to fucking run

[quick maple]

yeah but any x mult just places higher for me

oh thats gold stake

ok makes a bit more sense

[timid belfry]

if you x 1.5 8 times to 1 you ain't really getting that much

like wow big deal

also yeah midas mask and parking is good for earlygame eco

[sly cypress]

I mean high card is good

But there’s so many ways of doing high card better

[clever sentinel]

Pair > high card

(in gold stake)

[sly cypress]

I mean it’s anti synergistic either way probably the best low hand card in the game

Stuntman

Stuntman is probably s tier ngl

He’s so insanely strong

[timid belfry]

pair is so good in gold

[timid belfry]

in plasma? yeah

in other decks? unless you have a high hand level what you gonna do with 250x2 when ur just running pairs or 3oaks

[sly cypress]

Ngl all you need for gold is like
Stuntman
red card
Pair scaling

[timid belfry]

most runs i do with runner catch up fast

[sly cypress]

Runner is good but like

Stuntman just gives so much chips

To the point where if you have good flat mult you don’t really need to scale your planet levels

Your chosen hand becomes redundant in the joker good stuff slop

[timid belfry]

ig

[potent surge]

your too early blueprint

[sly cypress]

Impossible

It’s never too late for blueprint

[obtuse patrol]

Bro vagabond is under the straight flush joker man. Surely not ordered

[cerulean orbit]

are u serious rn

this was a double tag

[cerulean orbit]

black deck completed

[cerulean orbit]

red and black deck so free i did it first try

[cerulean orbit]

i got a high score on a challenge run -_-

[south meadow]

6th sense in f?

[timid belfry]

it's so situational for gold stake

sure, spectrals are good, but like it's rare to see relying on them going well

[south meadow]

I see it as a bad trading card at worst

Yee its situational. It f seems harsh

[timid belfry]

seance aswell is smth i've never used cause relying onit is just not happenin

[south meadow]

Don’t think I’ve ever picked it up outside of unlocking it

[gaunt zenith]

my goat vagabond in F 😔

[south meadow]

Hallucination d seems harsh aswell

[timid belfry]

legit the first time i picked it up was last night going for all gold stickers

[south meadow]

Suprised vampire made it to a, always struggle with it

[timid belfry]

vampire and midas is funny

[gaunt zenith]

also bloodstone in B

imagine not insta-pivoting to hear funny sounds

[timid belfry]

relying on bloodstone rng has fucked me over more times then i can count

:awrae

[gaunt zenith]

I've been the opposite

more often it's nice to me

sometimes it's a dick but usually it's my goat

[timid belfry]

if it wass blood and sixes it would be more like a A

[gaunt zenith]

nahhh blood+oops = S

I'll stand by that

[south meadow]

Without retriggers bloodstone oops is like a 7.5x

[gaunt zenith]

goated

also this is like

just me nitpicking really

but your tier defintions are wack

C = good which is already odd

but the B = good short term???

so being good for a little bit is better than being good always

[timid belfry]

that's fair

[gaunt zenith]

also this is just me, probably cause I don't really play gold stake

but I am not and never will be camp fire pilled

I don't fw camp fire

[timid belfry]

campfire in gold is so much better then in regular runs imo

[gaunt zenith]

oh for sure for sure

but I also just don't like gold

[timid belfry]

entirely cause rentals are free

free sells*

[gaunt zenith]

cause the game adores giving me eternal rentals

or eternal perish

or god forbid all 3

[timid belfry]

pairs are probably the goat move for gold imo

[gaunt zenith]

I've tried everything but my luck with specifically gold stake is absolutely terrible

i'll get good jokes with unsuable tags, bad jokers with no tags, or sometimes I'll go ages without finding just AN joker

[timid belfry]

my most recent gold wins were mostly just pair spam

[gaunt zenith]

pair ong is the way for everything

insert that bell curve meme of like

brain dead noob only playing high card and pair

top of the curve is crying intermediate saying flush and straights are the way

and then jedi master only playing high card and pair

[wooden pecan]

don't do that

use it on 2s/3s

[dusk island]

that’s an opinion that we don’t share i think

[timid belfry]

https://i.imgur.com/bYgPL0Z.png

[timid belfry]

yeah I hard disagree here, mostly cause like

i wouldn't want to fish for regular kings when i have steel 2/3s mostly cause i have less slots for kings

can just be more of a contingiency plan

[last flame]

I use it on the cards I might play for my winning hand

Which is usually the card I get from my first standard pack if it's a face card or low number

never either or

[timid belfry]

also that game I nearly cooked myself cause i forgot i had midas, when i used it on 2 red seal glass Jacks

[dusk island]

lmaooooo that’s so relatable

[wooden pecan]

gonna be honest this is kinda terrible

there’s just a lot of noob takes here

[timid belfry]

what ones are noob takes?

[wooden pecan]

photograph or order being s

vagabond/gift card/credit card/green joker in f

burg/gold joker being mid instead of S

[timid belfry]

i've notoriously just not liked green joker as a card to use cause it's like such a eco killer

[wooden pecan]

cartomancer not s

overvaluing dna, stencil, and throwback are classic noob traps

[dusk island]

you can disagree with someone’s opinions without being rude about it

[wooden pecan]

i don’t think i’m being rude

[timid belfry]

it was kinda rushed tbf

[wooden pecan]

or at least i’m not trying to be

it’s true; there are new player takes here

not noob as in “stupid” noob as in “newer to balatro”

[timid belfry]

i don't blame ya for saying what you said, I'm learningg more about the game as I play, theres just some jokers I play that like don't click to me as much as say, certain niches

[wooden pecan]

they’re not being idiotic there’s just some pretty common joker traps

generally newer players greatly underestimate how important econ is

[timid belfry]

oh, yeah for sure

[wooden pecan]

so stuff like gold joker gets undervalued and stuff like dna gets overvalued

and harder jokers to use like vagabond/obelisk get undervalued too

[dusk island]

yeah i think that’s just a nicer way to say that instead of saying “this is kind of terrible”

[wooden pecan]

although thank god you put baron in f 🙏🙏🙏

[dusk island]

i don’t think you were intending to be rude, to be clear, i think it just came off more intense than you meant it to

[wooden pecan]

i swear every time someone puts that in A or S i die inside

[timid belfry]

I may redo some parts of the tierlist, but like

[wooden pecan]

you can generally tell exactly how good someone is by where they put:
green joker
photograph
baron
dna

[timid belfry]

I usually really struggle with setting up green joker mostly

like

do you focus on green joker more or do you focus on eco

[wooden pecan]

is that why you have supernova higher than rtb/green

[wooden pecan]

green joker > econ

play three pairs and a flush 👍

once it’s at ~10mult you can usually just play pairs for the rest of the run

just focus on getting mercury instead of getting standard packs

mercury spam + green joker is like 80% of the way to a gold stake win

[timid belfry]

https://i.imgur.com/VIDHYim.png

[wooden pecan]

oh you play modded

that’s cool

[serene urchin]

Yeah I just have the best opinions luckily

This was made really quickly without much thought, space joker is there because of a personal experience of watching a friend have it trigger like 9 times in a row without any luck increasers

[wooden pecan]

okay please tell me why abstract joker is there

[serene urchin]

I like it

[wooden pecan]

is this just “do you like it”

[serene urchin]

Eh sort of

I think its also really strong early

[wooden pecan]

what metric are you rating these on

[serene urchin]

My own opinions

[wooden pecan]

so like

is it fun?

[serene urchin]

Just how I feel about each joker and how I use them, on any difficulty since some are much stronger/weaker depending on stake

It was just "where do I think this joker should go in terms of winning the game/improving my build" but I didn't bother with gold stake only or something since I don't play that exclusively

Some are also ranked with the idea of being smart in mind. Popcorn/ice cream are op early and fall off super hard, but i think they are commons and they fill their role very well imo

Abstract is +15 mult early which is really nice and you can sell it later, it's a common

[wooden pecan]

okay

if you had said “is it good on gold stake ante 8” i would probably disagree with over half of the list

[serene urchin]

Also gift card non eternal variants i think is always worth it and one of the best jokers, eternal it might be like C? B? Not sure

Same with cola

Actually and gold mask and trading card lol

I agree. I think its just unfair to make a tier list purely on ante 8 gold stake because then most things are F or S tier it feels like

Also i stuck all the pair/2 pair/3 pair base common jokers in average since I wasn't sure which was mult and which was chips. It's also mostly unordered

[wooden pecan]

off the top of my head, i would disagree with:
space, abstract, cola, moon, stencil, hack, ice cream, banner, faceless, bean, stone, baseball, campfire, ancient, throwback, perkeo, chaps, smiley/scary, rebate, steven/todd, gold ticket, troubador, riff raff, erosion, road javk, invis, hallucination, tarot, castle, ramen, mime, credit, blackboard, burglar, red card, bootstraps, flash card, invis, matador, cartomancer, dna, and madness

(disagree = off by two or more tiers)

[wooden pecan]

look at the lipstick; red = mult blue = chips

[serene urchin]

I don't take the game nearly seriously enough to really argue on any points, but I have to ask about DNA and madness

Where would you put them and why? Madness is incredibly good, but I can't see myself putting it anywhere other than there due to how situational it is

[sly cypress]

Space joker my GOAT

[serene urchin]

My fucking goat

[dusk island]

incredibly based

[serene urchin]

DNA, again, can be incredibly good, especially with blueprint/cartomancer

[sly cypress]

Realistically cola isn’t that great but it’s just like

Why not take it

[serene urchin]

But like, or it's just shit

[sly cypress]

It’s almost free

[serene urchin]

To me it's $3 or whatever for a double tag

If i have red card, that's +3 mult for $3 at like worst value

Alternatively it's an extra negative or a massive increase in gold or spectrals or w.e

Gift card is just crazy to me almost exclusively because of temperance

[dusk island]

cola is a fun card for sure

double tags my beloved

[serene urchin]

Again, eternal cola is F tier, obviously

[wooden pecan]

high b tier

for madness

it’s great early and it makes jokerless on easy stakes literally free

[sly cypress]

Or it’s another double tag for
NANEINF ANAGLYPH DECK ❗ ❗ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥 🔥

[wooden pecan]

shop one madness on early stakes? i’m literally doing jokerless for fun

dna is solid mid tier

[serene urchin]

I mean ye, early. But ante 4 onward it's trash imo

[wooden pecan]

copying blue seals 5ish time is the best way to use it outside of duping class cards

[serene urchin]

You already have some idea of a build usually

[wooden pecan]

yep

so b tier

not f tier? lol

[serene urchin]

You don't reroll as much early

The chances of you finding it early is situational and rare

Hence why it's not in F tier

[wooden pecan]

thing is that you need an open slot and it probably never comes up

[serene urchin]

But a tier for situational things

[wooden pecan]

oh i see what you mean by that tier

[serene urchin]

That tier is not "these are worse than f tier"

[sly cypress]

It’s funny tho

[serene urchin]

Its like, this is impossible to rank

[wooden pecan]

i saw showman so i assumed you did actually mean “worse than f tier”

[serene urchin]

Either S or F depending on the run, timing whatever

[wooden pecan]

since showman is often actually detrimental

[sly cypress]

And once again

ANAGLYPH NANEINF ❗ ❗ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥 🔥

[wooden pecan]

here’s how i ranked the jokers

i treat madness as a “buildaround”

[serene urchin]

Yorick that high is crazy lmao

[wooden pecan]

why

it takes two blinds to be 2x

and takes 3-4 to be 3x

you get it on gold stake? instant win

i have never and will never lose a run with yorick