Balatro

[timid belfry]

holy

[mental wraith]

Game speed lock at 1 is evil

[timid belfry]

https://i.imgur.com/y2rt28j.png

hmm yes

[mental wraith]

Miku

[gaunt zenith]

I wish they did an april fools patch that did these exact changes

instead of just a message

[timid belfry]

it's on the balatro multiplayer channel so i think they may have?

idk if you have the mod

[gaunt zenith]

I don't been too lazy to do that stuff

but a balatro april fools mod sounds goated

yo shit is about to get crazy

I FUCKING HATE THIS GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME

I was hitting mil's in ante fucking 5 bro

[hollow burrow]

Am i missing something about ancient joker?

Idk how to use it and win

[gaunt zenith]

I like to use it by playing flushes, have an equal amount of each suit or hyper deck fix cause it only looks at suits you have in your deck, get jupiters and other X mult's

flat mults can be hit or mess like if I get lustful for hearts in checkered it's really nice since ya know

it can apply first

but in most decks I just go for ancient and more x mults

it's a bit tricky compared to mose x mult jokers but I am a fan of it

[hollow burrow]

I was thinking youd need to try and just get wild cards

I suppose removing entire suits would work too

[last flame]

ancient joker meta is wild cards

[timid belfry]

it doesn't look at suits in your deck btw, i have tried it with checkered deck

[gaunt zenith]

I swear on my mama that i've done it with checkered and it only looks at the suits you have

yeah

[gaunt zenith]

smear + ancient goes hard

[timid belfry]

ohhhhh

https://i.imgur.com/BKJdgzw.png

[gaunt zenith]

must be the old way

[timid belfry]

"Unlike Castle, which chooses its suit proportionally to the composition of the current deck, Ancient Joker chooses evenly amongst the four suits, regardless of the current deck's composition."

• wikia

[gaunt zenith]

well now I don't know which is out of date

cause I don't trust fandom just as a website

so time to spam checkered

oh nooooooo

[last flame]

I had a rly good ancient joker run with a nat negative smear

[gaunt zenith]

pooor meeeee

[mossy sierra]

i think it ignores your deck

i break the tie

[gaunt zenith]

imma just see for myself at this point xD

cause ong I swear I've used ancient on checkered for this EXACT reason

[hollow burrow]

Im pretty sure ive tried ancient with checkered and also got off suit

But i had wild cards so i assumed having any wild cards makes it hit whatever

[gaunt zenith]

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I don't believe yall

inb4 i'm wrong

[last flame]

ancient joker my goat

[wooden pecan]

honestly you don’t even need to do this

default odds of drawing a flush is good enough

i prefer to spend my money elsewhere (namely trying to buy as many jupiters as conceivable)

[last flame]

yeah but

with wild cards you can get polychrome red seal wild cards

for consistency

[austere rune]

is ts auraful deck

either this is gonna be insane or im gonna lose the 1/5 4 times

i lost the 1/5 4 times

[quick maple]

[wooden pecan]

true

i just mean like

you don’t need it

ancient joker is free on gold stake with zero deck fixing

ancient joker my goat for getting some of the harder gold stickers

[last flame]

fr tho

[wooden pecan]

acrobat and bootstraps

133/150

[last flame]

w

[opal wadi]

with midas mask joker i think itd be really funny if it stacked the amount of money you get every time you play a gold face card

[clever sentinel]

Balatro

[austere rune]

im balatring it

[opal wadi]

now get a negative and go go go

[austere rune]

got a supernova and negative'd it

prolly not as worth but i needed easy mult at the time

and now its a lil too valuable to get rid of

💔

okay then dont send

ffs

got arm and then flush turned into ass

THIS RUN IS ON TRACK FOR GREATNESS

ANTE 1 ROUND 2 BABY

oh my god

WAIT NO IM A DOLLAR OFF

😭

goodbye swashbuckler ur cheeks anyways

on the one deck

with 0 face cards

i fucking lose

because my jokers were too good

somebody actually kill me

ts js pmo

i actually might've had a better chance if i didnt get greedy for blueprint

😭

HEY APPLE

[quick maple]

balalala

god bless money

[mental wraith]

balala

[austere rune]

MY DUMBASS FORGOT TO SELECT THE LAST CARD

I HATE THIS GAME

madness with +10 mult foil

holographic

idc awhats its caleld

[gaunt zenith]

damn I stand corrected

weird cause I like, have such a vivid memory of destroying a checkered run with ancient

[dusky verge]

game eazy

[wooden pecan]

gift card and showman

could have sold space joker AND had an antimatter pickup in ante 8

but i couldn't find any stickerless jokers

(level 34 pair by the way)

i feel like it's worth mentioning that i had max gift card for roughly 20 rounds of gameplay and did not find a single temperance

135/150

final 15!

full list of jokers i have not gotten yet:

baron
flower pot
madness
matador
pareidolia
rocket
seance
shortcut
stone joker
the family
wily joker

canio
chicot

[austere rune]

baltro in my top 3 most played steam games now ❤️

i dont play steam games that much okay

dont judge my hours

[sly cypress]

i think i need help

💔

[sly cypress]

madness, bloodstone and baron not being done is insane

mime done but not baron

[wooden pecan]

baron is ass

bloodstone is ass

madness is good but i've never gotten it ante one or two so

or anytime i see it i don't have eternals

mine is an INCREDIBLY good joker on its own

[sly cypress]

the elusive oops:

[wooden pecan]

i've gotten mime gold sticker like 10 times

[sly cypress]

mime is like the perfect support joker

[wooden pecan]

yea

[wooden pecan]

exactly

[sly cypress]

baron is like fine but you need 1. something to keep you stable early game
2. really good deck fixing

like a dna or trading card + deaths and standard packs

[wooden pecan]

it's absolutely d tier??

needing to invest a ton of econ and tarots and a whole ass separate joker to carry it

and that's for it to work

don't forget you generally need planets so the 1.5x mult even does anythin

[sly cypress]

yeah but baron is one of the few jokers where only the early game matters

if you get baron going after like ante 4 it can easily carry the run

huge snowball joker

[wooden pecan]

by the way i'm talking about gold stake

like

you never have time to thin out your deck?

or fix it for kings

that's if you get it like

shop 1

and it's a rare joker

[sly cypress]

magic and ghost deck hard carry baron honestly

[wooden pecan]

how does ghost deck help?

[sly cypress]

cryptid

[wooden pecan]

i

[sly cypress]

immolate

[wooden pecan]

i only play ghost deck

[last flame]

ive played too much d2 😔

[dusky verge]

is invisable joker worth it?

[last flame]

hmmmm

another bp brain storm is what you would want but like

[wooden pecan]

bloodstone AND hiker!

[sly cypress]

huge

hiker with

...

70 cards in deck?

[wooden pecan]

hiker was not helpful!

helped out early game though because i had a hanging chad for like

7 antes

and then i got banana end of ante 7 i believe

[wooden pecan]

got matador and wily joker!

that's the final common joker

139/150

[sly cypress]

matador my despised

[wooden pecan]

full list of jokers i have not gotten yet:

baron
flower pot
madness
pareidolia
rocket
seance
shortcut
stone joker
the family

canio
chicot

[sly cypress]

do legendary joker chances change based on stickers?

[wooden pecan]

yep

if you have gold sticker

you can't get it again

so yorick/triboulet/perkeo are completely off limits

[wooden pecan]

i could get them again in other stakes

[sly cypress]

so it just removes the chances of getting a seed with those leg joekrs in them?

[wooden pecan]

and then once i get all five gold stickered it's normal odds

[sly cypress]

or like

changes it in the seed

[wooden pecan]

idk how it works but basically

it might just change the seed

it might delete the seeds

i have no idea

but either way i basically know what the soul pack is gonna be

[sly cypress]

Usually if you don’t have a standard joker unlocked it will change that joker in the seed with the next joker in the queue

So maybe it’s the same

[wooden pecan]

good point

[wooden pecan]

stone joker

final 10!

(this run revolved around having two hallucinations AND a brainstorm)

baron, flower pot, madness, pareidolia, rocket, seance, shortcut, the family

canio, chicot

final 10

lets gooo

winnable

[wooden pecan]

got the family

via a flush five build

and also shortcut

shortcut was like almost literally useless lmaooo

IN THE STRAIGHTS BUILD

(runner was 405)

142/150

i swear if the update drops in the next couple days i'll lose it

[azure cypress]

I love stone joker sm

he’s a little stupid guy

[obtuse patrol]

Stupid is right fuck that guy

At stone joker middle finger

[gaunt zenith]

nah ya haven't

I truly don't understand how mcosu got so many hours I barely played it

but balatro is getting up there for me

it should have more but I play a bunch on my phone

[last flame]

balatro is a primarily mobile game for me

so Is terraria actually

[short cosmos]

Smh

Why would you not play terraria on pc

It's so much better

[last flame]

I mean I've had and been playing terraria mobile since like 2013 when it came out on my birthday

[short cosmos]

Ah

Do you play it on PC?

[last flame]

yeah mostly for mods

[short cosmos]

Good, good, you aren't a complete phychopath

[last flame]

^

[gaunt zenith]

somehow my desktop save is far more complete than my mobile save despite me feeling like I've played more on mobile

so it went from primarily mobile

to primarily pc

and will remain that way till cross progression gets added

[hollow burrow]

I wasnt able to get all 8s 😔

[gleaming surge]

some strength cards and a cloud nine here

[sly cypress]

just a few strength cards

[hollow burrow]

I had magic bean and a spectral pack round 1 and just rolled a million cards into the same rank

[gleaming surge]

i love bean

[timid belfry]

Trying to real quick figure out smth with the balatro mod manager, is there a way to get the Brainstorm mod in it by chance?

[last flame]

yeah

just install brainstorm

it's config isn't built in but it works

unless your talking about the rly ass mod manager thing to find mods

[timid belfry]

I got it workingg, turns out i just had it at the wrong title

it was like brainstorm master lmao

[last flame]

oh lmao

[timid belfry]

uhhhh

now what

[south meadow]

steel rank acquired

[gleaming surge]

prob retriggers and base mult

WAIT ANTE 5??

[sly cypress]

"dont pick up baron it sucks without mime"

the baron in question:

red deck gold stake done plus some stickers on useless jokers

(parking and astronomer )

[timid belfry]

YEP

IB17CR25 if ya wanna try the seed

trying to do it filtered with brainstorm mod so i atleast get perkeo

[timid belfry]

https://i.imgur.com/Ce1nniL.png

[warped knoll]

[timid belfry]

@warped knoll it doid cause I was strugglin with keepin cryptids going

[warped knoll]

[austere rune]

guys am i getting to ante 32 with this

[sly cypress]

yes

[opaque spire]

if u lock in

[iron spade]

you just gotta believe

[gaunt zenith]

I hate this game

I was so on track

for baron gaming if they just

gave me baron

dna, blue print, mime

red seal steel kings

broooooooo

[opal wadi]

Rng fucked you u0

[gaunt zenith]

bro deadass

explain to me how

I have 30 FUCKING STEEL RED SEAL KINGS

AND THEY GIVE ME

[opal wadi]

Not enough money

[gaunt zenith]

Jack 6 6 4 4

??????????

[opal wadi]

And not enough deck fixing

[gaunt zenith]

bro I was about to have a whole deck's worth of just red seal steel kins 😭

but nah

give me some 6's

that's what i want

[austere rune]

possibly the worst set of jokers ive managed to win with what even is this

[sly cypress]

?

bootstraps good

red card good

banana fine

photo good

duo fine#

[austere rune]

on checkered its kinda just ass tho

cus ur tryna go for flushes

[sly cypress]

sure but the others are great

[austere rune]

so it can be useful but you gotta put in more work to find another on

[sly cypress]

also flush house is always vaible on checkered

[dusky verge]

duo is better then red card in my opinion

[sly cypress]

nah red card is like

insanely good

maybe like top 10 non-legendary

[opaque spire]

ur trolling

[dusky verge]

red card is so weak. A realistic red card would probably get 9 mult per anti and take all your money

[sly cypress]

Per ante???

[last flame]

i just watched my friend play balatro and oh my god new players skip so much

it hurt so much to see a negative skip when bro only had 2 jokers

[sly cypress]

3 mult permanently is like way better than what most packs have to offer

[last flame]

😭

[sly cypress]

And it’s only like 6-10 dollars each round

Just get a good econ joker

[last flame]

3 mult if u dont like whats in a pack is good value

[sly cypress]

Even if you like what’s in the pack

+3 permanent mult is just that valuable

It’s better than most planets unless you’re specifically going for that hand and NOTHING else

[austere rune]

erm waht the aura

[opaque spire]

four fingers carrying

[austere rune]

on jah

[sly cypress]

Why you got burnt

What is he doin

[austere rune]

levels

??

obv

[opaque spire]

+2 saturn each round

😋

[austere rune]

been going for jupiter

easier to setup

[opaque spire]

that too

i always forget what joker those are

[sly cypress]

For what?

[austere rune]

flush

[sly cypress]

You’re not playing toward flushes

You’re playing for straight flushes

[austere rune]

well

i already committed to flushes

[last flame]

burnt and straights is a insane combo

[opaque spire]

with burnt joker?

seems pretty bad

[sly cypress]

That’s why you should ditch the burnt joker

X3 mult >>>

[last flame]

yeah i agree tbh

[opaque spire]

idk i think u should just let ppl play their own game

[sly cypress]

I mean I’m not saying don’t

I’m just saying

[austere rune]

bwah

[austere rune]

unlucky

[opaque spire]

https://youtu.be/qnhNLWKEbSE?si=kfxNWB3aHoHmghZu lol

[last flame]

we took the risk

[opal wadi]

thankfully im 18 now!

[timid belfry]

https://i.imgur.com/M93Jws9.jpeg

[warped knoll]

[last flame]

you can do it

[timid belfry]

update https://i.imgur.com/sLkM5os.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/AnDqgq8.png

[warped knoll]

[timid belfry]

@surreal quiver

[sly cypress]

why is your balatro a clock

[timid belfry]

mods

[sly cypress]

but why do you need a clock

[timid belfry]

whynot

[sly cypress]

just press the windows key

and its right there

[hallow hazel]

I just had a cavendish die on the first hand played

are you kidding me

[azure cypress]

game actually said go fuck yourself

[last flame]

wallahi

[sly cypress]

oh good heavens

i sadly did not find boostraps

[sly cypress]

peak unseeded run

UNSEEDED

WHAT THE SHIT

apparently a single copy of sock and buskin is rarer than trib, 2 brainstorms and a blueprint

finally found it

[last flame]

i could have gone farther too i just fumbled the bag

completely my fault i was super distracted

[gaunt zenith]

this is why I do rare joker skip

but also fuck why photograph in abandoned

[last flame]

hell nah

I could NEVER

[gaunt zenith]

i'm too addicted to gambling

every single time

I see a rare skip or a wrath whatever the spectre card is that gets a rare joker but sets money to 0

I always

without fail

think "it could be blueprint"

[last flame]

I'm only taking 3 skips ever

[gaunt zenith]

and then I run it

and sometimes it's blueprint

[last flame]

and usually it's a duo

[gaunt zenith]

the only ones I take are are, the 25 dollar one, and negative

the rest suck hyper ass

[last flame]

nah

[gaunt zenith]

don't care

sometimes it's a blueprint

and that's enough for me to run it all the time

[last flame]

don't take negative tag

[gaunt zenith]

nah nah

hear me out

[last flame]

u should be taking the free shop one tho

[gaunt zenith]

it could be

a negative blueprint

[last flame]

https://tenor.com/view/tomoko-kuroki-tomoko-watamote-command-grab-little-brother-gif-2476125134310947882

[gaunt zenith]

I don't like the free shop cause 9/10 times it's there when you already have money

[gaunt zenith]

NAH TRUST

ONE OF THESE DAYS

IT'LL GIVE ME A NEGATIVE BLUEPRINT

[last flame]

nah you take free shop and boss skip ante 1

[gaunt zenith]

AND I WILL BE IN A STATE OF EUPHORIA

YOU CAN NEVER COMPLREHEND

[last flame]

Any other time just use what you already have to build interest

[gaunt zenith]

ah fair fair

but even then

[last flame]

and scale jokers

[gaunt zenith]

I'd rather get investment tag

[last flame]

and take packs from shops

i can usually make the 25 dollars in a round if I play my cards right

[gaunt zenith]

fair

[last flame]

STILL STOP TAKING NEGATIVE TAGS UNLESS YOUR ON ANAGLYPH

[gaunt zenith]

but

negative blueprint

[last flame]

🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

[gaunt zenith]

you underestimate my gambling addiction

if I could

[last flame]

you will get a negative eternal egg

[gaunt zenith]

I would make sure I could always use the "creates a random joker" tarot

[gaunt zenith]

nuh uh

usually it's a negative food

like ice cream or popcorn

[last flame]

I wish you good luck on your gold stake runs just stop skipping sm

[gaunt zenith]

I very very very rarely skip

I only do this when I'm like

doing lower stakes

I also don't do gold

cause gold hates me

a lot

this is no joke the fifth time I've seen photocard

BRO IT'S ABANDONED FUCK OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[last flame]

💀 💀 💀 💀

generational photograph

[gaunt zenith]

the run died cause the game refused to give me any mult

[last flame]

shouldn't have skipped

[timid belfry]

i was spectating a run myt gf did yesterday and like jesus christ im fucking jealous of her

like

[last flame]

wowie

[timid belfry]

it was a natural negative

[last flame]

W

[sly cypress]

Photograph think he part of the team 😭

[timid belfry]

she also got a dusk and chad which sent her to like

e33

[sly cypress]

Huge

I’m guessing the actual cards in deck were like kings or queens red seal glass?

[timid belfry]

red seal glass queens

[austere rune]

managed to get like a single +mult card the entire run 💔

atleast my econ was crazy

[opal wadi]

Me to

[opal wadi]

I want this setup so bad and then goldent ticket jocker

Itd be so funny but i havent been able to get every card in my deck gold yet

[austere rune]

TS DOES NOT PMO ❤️

actually a goated combo

am i stupid how is this straight flush

[native trellis]

4 fingers

[austere rune]

is it counting the 10

as

[native trellis]

you have a straight (k q j 10) and a flush (k q j 3)

[austere rune]

oh

im stupid

[native trellis]

four fingers is kinda crazy like that

[gaunt zenith]

four fingers just nonchalant with it's straight flushs ngl

[austere rune]

beat blue stakes 🤤

[austere rune]

i might

i might just

lose it man

its over chooms

💔

[last flame]

not wealthy enough :(

holy fuck

bro if u had a madness

[opal wadi]

midas deck

[opaque spire]

https://open.spotify.com/track/65qgqadYzuk0KHdV8tY2TK?si=9d23a090abad4487

[wooden pecan]

bruhhhhhhhhh

i was gonna get seance gold sticker

[sly cypress]

i swear

i only get violent vessel

on runs that are just barely able to beat every other final boss blind

[last flame]

wha

in tarnation

[sly cypress]

Woag

Medium upon thee

[opal wadi]

no ankh

medium

[wooden pecan]

got gold stake on baron

bought a perishable rental baron on ante like 3

bought a rental eternal burnt joker on shop 3

still won baybee

pair is op

baron was literally negative weight lmaooo

baron makes 143/150

[last flame]

power move tbh

[sly cypress]

Died 2024
Born 2025
Welcome back painted deck

[wooden pecan]

painted?

[sly cypress]

4 joker slots
(With none of the upsides)

[wooden pecan]

true lol

honestly this just supports my opinion that burnt joker is an A+ tier joker

i am almost literally never unhappy to see it and it carries runs for almost free on its own

[austere rune]

had polychrome dice but i couldnt get bloodstone bro 😭

[austere rune]

purple stake is easy

😼

[austere rune]

perishable bro

orange stake SUCKS

[last flame]

ON GOD

[austere rune]

bro who invited trib to the eternal club

[last flame]

2 eternal drool jokers

💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[austere rune]

i thought it would be funny

[sly cypress]

I think legendaries should have a chance for eternal

playing abandoned deck
eternal canio

[austere rune]

im gonna kill myself

the double eternal droll joker isnt so funny anymore :(

[warped knoll]

😭

[austere rune]

sometimes i think this game simply hates me and thats alright

[opaque spire]

lmfao

[austere rune]

bro what is this games ADDICTION to giving bloodstone or dice, and then not giving me the other

this is the EIGHTH GAME IN A ROW

[wooden pecan]

finally got rocket sticker

144/150

i love rocket but i always sell it before winning

didn't need to this time

[dapper scarab]

Hi fellow gamblers!!!
For some reason I thought it would be funny to make a Joker tierlist, but then I realized I needed help from actually good players, because I am not good at the game and have a measly 200+ hours logged...so I made this poll.
It's pretty self explanatory - put each Joker in a tier from S to F.
If I get enough results and somehow become less lazy, I will make a video ranking them all from worst to best. No promises on quality but I'm sure it'll be fine
Not entirely sure if this is the right place to put this, but anyway, here's the poll: https://forms.gle/mtJkLtF8WA4KgVY29
If you want to fill it out, please do, I need info and to be proven right about Stone Joker being bad.
If you don't, that's fine too.
(also please give me tips for the video i need all the help i can get!)

[last flame]

i think stone joker can be good

its not peak cus it wont carry a run but it can be used well with synergies

like with a marble joker and a hologram

[sly cypress]

I put red card in s tier

It’s such a fucking crazy joker

It’s so good

[last flame]

red card is like the best scaling flat mult joker easily

[dapper scarab]

everyone i talk to says red card is mid
but they didn't get it up to +60 on a purple stake run
it saved me and therefore is peak

[last flame]

oh hell nah

red card has CARRIED some of my runs

[dapper scarab]

If I were to try to poll members of the Balatro Discord server as well, how would I go about doing that? (I doubt I'd just be able to send it out in a message, especially because I'm relatively new there)

[last flame]

you might have better luck doing it in like

balatro university

[dapper scarab]

hmmm
university seems to be locked behind paywalls (twitch subs, kofi, etc.) and i'd rather do this without paying...ty though, and you're probably right about doing this somewhere other than the main server

[last flame]

ah that's a shame

I didn't realize it was paywalled

[south meadow]

new experemental multiplayer mod has added battale royal

we should have a Neon White balatro tournament

[timid belfry]

https://i.imgur.com/D0UMNL5.png interesting run

[austere rune]

I APOLOGISE BALATRO I WAS NOT FAMILIAR WITH YOUR GAME

[short cosmos]

Oop

[austere rune]

ORANGE STAKE IS TOO EASY

🔥

[short cosmos]

Ay, nice!

[austere rune]

gold stake time 💔

this is hell

[short cosmos]

Yea

First gold stake is always rough

[austere rune]

had canio but i went 8 FUCKING ANTES WITHOUT SEEING A SINGLE HANGING MAN TAROT

my rng is so cheeks bro 💔

had to rely on glass kings i duped breaking

[last flame]

😔

[obtuse patrol]

all this red card glaze that shit is last pick in dodgeball

[clever sentinel]

u mad?

[obtuse patrol]

I made one myself a lil bit ago so if youre interested on where I put things and the reason here you go. I think a few of my opinions differ from the rest of the community but ive done everything in the game so they cant be that bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U6bfi17pwA

[short cosmos]

Red card is good early game

[obtuse patrol]

It's just too much money to put into a flat mult joker when in hand mult clears and other jokers scale way better

[last flame]

My try to keep my eco to a degree that I can open both packs in the shop so like flat mult if the pack doesn't help me is good value

[austere rune]

red card is so ass bro

[sly cypress]

Red card is incredible

Packs are so overvalued sometimes

[last flame]

Esp when ur luck is shitn

[sly cypress]

??? Red card is the best scaling flat mult in the game?

It’s 6 mult for 8-12 dollars each round which is easily doable with a single econ joker

That’s 18 flat mult every single ante

Just for bootstraps to scale the same amount you have to make $15 each round and also not spend a single penny

[last flame]

plus you still get to open these packs

and you get also get the packs for basically nothing with vouchers too

[sly cypress]

You don’t even NEED to skip you can always just skip if you don’t see anything you like

So 99% of standard packs
70% of celestial packs
60% of spectral packs
50% of arcana packs

[opaque spire]

idk fortune teller clears 💅

[sly cypress]

Fortune teller is ass

Most of the time

I’ve had like one run

Where an early fortune teller vagabond solod

[clever sentinel]

+1 mult for one tarot is crazy work

Red card is great

[last flame]

Fortune teller has never worked well for me

[clever sentinel]

Floyd just doesn't see the vision

[sly cypress]

Also I hope that localthunk removes loyalty card

I get visibly upset whenever it appears in the shop

[opaque spire]

why would he remove peak

[last flame]

loyalty card has clutched up once for me (it was negative)

[obtuse patrol]

It's just not good when other jokers take less work and do more then a stinky little red card.

[last flame]

name some then

[sly cypress]

And don’t mention xmult

[obtuse patrol]

Literally pick like 140 jokers and they do it better

[last flame]

name a better flat mult joker

[obtuse patrol]

Id rather have any high card scaler or spare trousers any day of the week

Flash card even

[clever sentinel]

Flash card

I knew you were gonna say that

Flash card is so piss

[last flame]

this guy is not real

[clever sentinel]

You're telling me you give me +2 mult per reroll

[obtuse patrol]

The packs yall are skipping got hella money in them for me

[clever sentinel]

When the rerolls go from $5, to $7, to god knows how much after that

[obtuse patrol]

And I'm rerolling like crazy

[sly cypress]

$5 (scaling every reroll) for 2 mult

$4-6 dollars flat for 3 mult??

[opaque spire]

2 packs per round

vs unlimited

[obtuse patrol]

Wait until they find out about vouchers or chaos the clown or the fact I can roll way more

[last flame]

ok but you don't have unlimited money

[opaque spire]

speak for urself

[obtuse patrol]

Quote from someone skipping packs

[opaque spire]

[last flame]

I'm skipping if it's shit

[clever sentinel]

With red card you don't go out of your way to skip every pack, obviously you're taking stuff of value from them

[sly cypress]

Red card isn’t YOU HAVE TO SKIP PACKS
it’s +3 mult IF you skip packs

[clever sentinel]

Red card is passive flat mult that scales really well

[sly cypress]

Hermit/Temperance >>> +3 mult any day

[obtuse patrol]

Yeah I don't want to skip packs

[opaque spire]

and if u skip rerolled stuff u get mult

[obtuse patrol]

Or I just wouldn't open them

[clever sentinel]

That's fine but don't say it's bad >:(

[obtuse patrol]

Stinky joker should be its new name

Gross yucky

[dusk island]

how about this: i can acknowledge that red card can be very good and yet it doesn't fit my personal playstyle

bc i'd much prefer fortune teller to red card but red card can definitely perform better

[sly cypress]

False if everyone on the internet doesn’t agree and play with my own playstyle then they must be playing wrong and have objectively incorrect opinions

[mossy sierra]

true

every run you should be going for glass 2-5 straights in clubs

[last flame]

HACKKKKK

[quick maple]

if its not for the gold seal youll never see me pick up a red card

that thing is horrible

too much juice in the tarot cards sry :/

[clever sentinel]

It's ok to be wrong

*It's ok it doesn't suit your playstyle

[quick maple]

i dont see the good part in it

[quick maple]

if youre not going out of your way to skip then it doesnt scale well

[clever sentinel]

Like I said it's passive flat scaling mult

It's not gonna be your best joker but it's helpful regardless

[quick maple]

18 flat multi and no bonuses from the packs per anti def doesn’t suit me

[clever sentinel]

That's fine 👍

how

did that emoji

wtf

[native trellis]

icant

[warped knoll]

red card was there for me when I needed it

[clever sentinel]

I get red card is divisive but it is not horrible

[native trellis]

i get that red card is good and i won’t question someone for having one but i hate it and it makes the run less interesting for me

[clever sentinel]

Let's not slander the joat

[quick maple]

send it again it fit better

[clever sentinel]

I totally get it, the easiest way to win gold stake is to just spam pair with scaling flat mult

It's not very interesting

Low stakes is where the fun is in balatro imo

I envy the patience completionist++ players have

[sly cypress]

also you can still take shit from mega packs

take one thing then skip

[quick maple]

just not very practical innit

i would fund other things i think

like deck fixing

which you cant really do without tarots which you cant really do without packs

so red card for me is ❌

[opaque spire]

red card is decent imo but it's the same as flash card to me and not run winning itself

[clever sentinel]

[obtuse patrol]

I got red card to gold seal on my first run trying and thought "wait maybe it is good" then it's let me down every single time after that.

So I can't rep bro

Too be fair flash card goes about the same but I love rerolls and hate pack skips

I know im selling both of them later anyway

[dusky verge]

what the fuck in ancient joker doing in the bottom tier!

[obtuse patrol]

Shit

When I fix my deck I build around a suit so ancient joker is worthless 3/4's of the time

[clever sentinel]

Floyd's tier list has some weird placements cant lie

[dusky verge]

these are some terrible choices no offence. Hiker over invisable joker is crazy

[obtuse patrol]

What's the whole point of invisible joker

Sell that bitch

Also hiker low-key kinda crazy

5 of a kind with 5 cards worth 200-300 chips

Plus invisible joker isn't even guaranteed to hit a good joker. Many other rare jokers I like to see over that guy

And eternal jokers fuck him up crazy

[dusk island]

yeah i have to agree that hiker is a great joker and is on average better than invisible joker

invisible has higher peaks but hiker is more consistent imo

[dusky verge]

Hiker is just slow to scale though and even with perfect discards you are unlikely to get a ton of use out of it. At least for me.

[opaque spire]

it's not that bad to make a wildcard based deck

I got one good run with it that got to like e20s

[obtuse patrol]

I don't use wild cards

Like pretty much ever

[opaque spire]

yes that's the one use case

[obtuse patrol]

I think I put wild card tarot card in bottom tier by itself unironically.

[opaque spire]

to say u don't ever is pretty narrow minded tho, they're so good with ancient joker that's where it thrives

[obtuse patrol]

Same thing with the wild card effect

[opaque spire]

it's not good by itself

[obtuse patrol]

But I never build them so I never have a reason to take ancient joker

[opaque spire]

and can be actively bad but yea

[obtuse patrol]

And I always build 1 suit usually

If I don't then the card I play rarely matters anyway

[dusky verge]

I like to go more even with my suits and it is good if I have a pretty small deck and retriggering effects

[obtuse patrol]

I'm turning every card lucky and retriggering those puppies as many times as possible

I'm getting my 20 bucks

[mossy sierra]

red card is one of those things thats like

i recognize that it can be good

and also I have never bought it

lmao

because my brain percieves it as annoying

[austere rune]

YOU GOTTA BE FUCKING WITH ME MAN

😭

its ggs

nvm

was not worried at all

ya nvm we back to it being over

im ready to go gang

its so over

im always fucked over by violet vessel bro

i literally had like 7 steel cards and NONE OF THEM SHOWED UP IN 6 HANDS AND 2 DISCARDS

absolute malarky.

i should stop complaining

HOLY FUCK LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[obtuse patrol]

[timid belfry]

yeah i never understood why people liked red card

also green joker is like soooo dogshit

[austere rune]

TRUE THAT

!!!

green joker is insta sell unless i am FIENDING for early game mult

[timid belfry]

if im desperate and get green joker

catch me resetting

[native trellis]

??

green joker is crazy what

[timid belfry]

I more or less need a money joker in order to actually use green

cause like it just tanks eco

[opaque spire]

throwback so op

oh shit first gold stake win

[austere rune]

FRIENDSHIP WITH ARROWHEAD JOKER IS OVER, THROWBACK JOKER IS MY NEW BEST FRIEND

[timid belfry]

damn i got a chicot run going for gold steak and realised i should kinda try a chicot lategame run lmao

granted chicot naneinf runs are fucking hard

[sly cypress]

throwback is so ass

skips are just bad

[obtuse patrol]

Green joker is one of the best jokers in the game

It's just boring

[obtuse patrol]

Gold Steak 😋

Is throwback the skip one?

[opaque spire]

yeah

[obtuse patrol]

Yeah that shit is turbo ass

[sly cypress]

green is great but i hate it

[opaque spire]

sounds like u dont know how to use it 💅

[obtuse patrol]

It was one of the jokers in my first gold stake win

Skipping is just bad most of the time I fear

[sly cypress]

skipping misses you a whole round of income plus an entire shop for something you can just get at a shop

and half the time its random and probbaly really not worth it

the only ones are like

investment tag at ante 1/2

[dusk island]

idk picking up throwback early can make skipping worth imo

it’s like red card where you don’t have to skip but skip enough and it makes it really worth

[opaque spire]

great speedrunning joker too 🔥

[dusk island]

trueeee

[sly cypress]

its 4 skips to make it a ramen

thats 2 antes worth

[opaque spire]

not to mention the timesave

🐐

[dusk island]

yeah idk i find it to be pretty good

[obtuse patrol]

You just tend to gain more on average by playing an encounter then skipping it

That's the main issue.

Especially on gold stake which is what I'm always looking at

[dusky verge]

I might be dumb but why would anyone ever skip for the reroll tag. I see almost no purpose

[gleaming surge]

plant

or wait

the rerolls start at 0 one?

[dusky verge]

yeah

[gleaming surge]

yeah no thats ones just bad

most skip tags are tbf

[austere rune]

throwback 100% worth it if you get it in the first 3~ antes

[sly cypress]

incorrect

theres better xmult jokers

youre just missing way too many shops

[austere rune]

simply get lucky

if you think about it every joker is the best joker if you get lucky

https://tenor.com/view/tole-tole-cat-tole-tole-gif-11000765422344341626

[sly cypress]

except loyalty card

and matador

[dusk island]

“your opinion is incorrect”

[sly cypress]

my opinion is always factually correct

[dusk island]

actually you’re right

[sly cypress]

exactly

glad someone could be enlightened today

[dusk island]

hard fought battle fr

[wooden pecan]

what in the smoking

flush at #1???

pair not at #1??

these are also kinda bonkers

[dusky verge]

why pair? In a normal run I would put 4 of the kind higher

[wooden pecan]

like judgement/priestess/devil below empress/heirophant is crazy

[dusky verge]

Except of judgment they were kind of spitting

fool as well

[native trellis]

i am always puttin two pair over one pair

if you're not gettin two pairs you're a FRAUD

[wooden pecan]

it's so much harder ot do though

[native trellis]

two pairs are so easy

[wooden pecan]

i originally thought two pair was better and then i realized i could do exactly zero deck fixing and was enlightened

i just do no deck fixing whatsoever and win a lot

[native trellis]

the deck building for two pair is have a deck

[wooden pecan]

but you can't use your discards to fish for blue seals/gold cards

bro what the fuck i just saw ancient joker in f tier lmaooo

why is credit card in f?????

why is hallucination in f but vagabond is in a

campfire not being s is crazy work

midas being that low is crazy

space joker and egg and rebate being low is crazy

[sly cypress]

deadass i sometimes dont pick black hole

[wooden pecan]

golden joker low is nuts

[sly cypress]

specifically when i have constellation

[wooden pecan]

supernova and chaos low is crazy

ramen low is crazy

gift card and stock market and constellation and cloud nine low is crazy

do you just never buy econ jokers???

like none of those jokers are worse than odd todd

erosion is f tier for sure

oops all sixes sucks

[last flame]

pair is so reliable

[wooden pecan]

like bull being mid a tier is also crazy

photograph being high tier is insane

[last flame]

photograph is nuts wdym

[wooden pecan]

joker is mid on its own at best

it's a combo joker

[last flame]

it's still 2x mult

for basically free

[wooden pecan]

before +mult

[dusky verge]

photograph is high tier. Hanging chad photograph is an easy combo

[wooden pecan]

hanging chad is absolutely high tier

[dusky verge]

also campfire is not s tier I'm sorry

[wooden pecan]

photograph is like c tier at best

[wooden pecan]

have you ever used it on gold stake

it's easily a top 5 joker in the game

[dusky verge]

hanging chad does nothing by it's self though

[wooden pecan]

but it synergizes with literally everything

glass cards, like 20 jokers

[last flame]

campfire is a solid a tier

high a

[wooden pecan]

photograph synergizes with two jokers: suck and bustin and hanging chad

photograph is also kinda dogshit on its own

bro what are some of these takes from floyd

why is supernova in low tier and green joker/ride the bus in high tier

why is scary face above 95% of the jokers

[wooden pecan]

why is ramen two tiers lower than green joker

also blackboard is high a tier that shouldn't be that low either

same for burnt joker

dna is also not that good

[dusky verge]

works with dusk selzer and red seal as well

[wooden pecan]

how many times have you picked dusk in your life

[opaque spire]

nice bait good work

[last flame]

alot it's pretty clutch

[wooden pecan]

photo is ass on its own

[wooden pecan]

really? i never get it

i treat it like acrobat

not a fan

i could try it sometime

[dusky verge]

I personally ussually pick it over acrobatic since it works past anti 8 as well

[wooden pecan]

oh all of these are ante 8 only

i'm not accounting for endless for any of my takes

[dusky verge]

okay even so photograph is really good

[wooden pecan]

i'm assuming floyd's list is also not including endless because he put showman super low

[wooden pecan]

it's basically a dead slot until you get a combo joker

extra useless if you have any scaling +mult

[dusky verge]

played half on mobile but these are my joker stats

[wooden pecan]

especially in high stakes if you get eternal scaling

[wooden pecan]

whoah

mine

you can see what hands i play lmao

[dusky verge]

I think I have taken super nova like once or twice

but you clearly have played a lot more so I will trust you

[wooden pecan]

eh

150 hours

i'm at 144/150 gold stickers though

around ~100 gold stake wins

i've never taken the time to make a gold stake tier list

i should do that sometime

[dusky verge]

100 gold stake wins in 150 hours is insane

[last flame]

lemme find min

[dusky verge]

I have 13 soul card usages and still never perkio

[wooden pecan]

perkeo is so good lmao

[opaque spire]

its amazing when u can get it running

[opaque spire]

but useless until then

[last flame]

I've gotten perk alot

prolly the legendary joker I get the most

[dusky verge]

How do you both have more brain storms than blueprints? You usually unlock brainstorm later and they are both the same rarity?

[wooden pecan]

y'all wanna vc while i make the tier list

[wooden pecan]

i unlocked everything within about 10 hours

[dusky verge]

sorry need to go soon but maybe some time

[wooden pecan]

it also includes seeded/endless runs

my naneinf run was like 4 brainstorm and 2 blueprints

[last flame]

luck

[wooden pecan]

er

other way around

[last flame]

I never see hologram 😔

[wooden pecan]

quickly made an unordered tier list

gonna order these within their tiers and make final adjustments

[wooden pecan]

~45 minutes

[last flame]

ancient joker wwww

[dusky verge]

Couple things. Sock and bussin , hack, and loaded dice c? Bellow Mr bones? I haven’t used it much but surprised you put black board so high. Red stone is also way too low. Otherwise good tier list

[wooden pecan]

black board is almost exactly as good as cavendish

you can super super easily guarantee x3 mult on any non-five card hand

[wooden pecan]

retrigger jokers kind of suck when compared to the fact that hanging chad blows all of the others completely out of the water

especially considering they're all uncommon

realistically i am never using the fact that they retrigger all of my played cards on more than 2 or 3 of the cards max

[dusky verge]

But then is wee so high?

[wooden pecan]

sure, they're great if i can pair them with something that goes nuts with them but there's really not that high of a ceiling

like some of the stronger effects like fibonacci + hack is a hard ass combo to pull together and the ceiling of that (assuming no other modifications) is still only like 50-80 mult

[native trellis]

BLOODSTONE????????/

[wooden pecan]

hanging chad is leagues better when it comes to glass cards

[native trellis]

bloodstone that low is ABSURD

[wooden pecan]

i could MAYBE put bloodstone in C tier but it's a dogshit joker dude

it's on par with misprint

[dusky verge]

Said redstone but yeah why so low

And dice as well?

[wooden pecan]

it is inconsistent and on gold stake all it takes is one unlucky roll and you're dead

[native trellis]

i dont think you've ever even tried using bloodstone if you're saying its dogshit

[wooden pecan]

and just because bloodstone + dice = bad ancient joker doesn't mean it's a good joker

[native trellis]

that is one of the craziest takes ive ever seen

[wooden pecan]

i don't want bloodstone 99% of the time

it applies before +mult jokers

it's inconsistent at best

it's run ending during critical times

it requires one specific suit

[wooden pecan]

absolutely

took like 5 tries to get the gold sticker on bloodstone

it was something like my 130th gold sticker

since i've been using ghost deck half of the time it's been polychrome too

[wooden pecan]

and then in the case of loaded dice, it really doesn't actually do that much

i find the best use case is with lucky cards and a chad or something

in which case it's good, but it's not really that good

it kills your glass cards which is an early game run ender

it synergizes with a couple jokers but you still actually have to find those jokers

and if you don't get them it's a completely dead slot

[gleaming surge]

bloodstone, baron, mime, idol and showman all so low :C

[native trellis]

"even when it triggers 100% of the time it doesnt do much" you cannot be building around it properly

[wooden pecan]

you have to remember that if you don't get the combos they're completely dead slots

[wooden pecan]

mime i considered higher just because it doubles blue seals

[gleaming surge]

wait not mime

[wooden pecan]

for the record it's gonna be top of b tier

i'm ordering it rn

f tier is absolutely correct and there's zero shot any of them go above f tier except MAYBE baron in d tier

[dusky verge]

Why do you have the card that makes all face cards golden so high?

[wooden pecan]

baron is like worse bloodstone

[wooden pecan]

i take that 100% of the time

within ~5-6 rounds you have about 30% of your deck fixing your econ for the rest of the run

then you sell it after

you can think of it like being a negative golden joker

it's super powerful because the effect lasts once you've sold it

i think i've won every single gold stake run that i've picked up midas mask

it's so good

the only better econ joker is rebate but that's because you get like 10 bucks a round starting the same round that you picked it up

even if it's rental you can still sell it before you actually beat the round so worst case is that it's a mediocre hermit for early game

[dusky verge]

You make good points for Midas mask. Personally I would put dna up there s.

[wooden pecan]

midas also dodges rental AND perishable generally

which is extra important for gold stake utility jokers

[wooden pecan]

dna kinda sucks ngl

the big thing is that it's -$1 a round

if you've ever played black deck you know why that's an issue

it also requires you to actually find the card that you're fishing for, in which case you often have to a) already have a good card from a standard pack and b) use most or all of your discards

which leaves you super vulnerable to straight up losing

because the cost of having dna is that you usually lose one hand and a discard or two

it's a massive nerf to your actual in blind performance when you have it

[dusky verge]

But dna fun. I’m a stencil lover and will always stand by it even if I know it is wrong.

[wooden pecan]

plus it can easily kill your econ (it's what, 8 dollars initially and then -1 dollar every round?)

[wooden pecan]

i agree that it's fun but it's honestly rarely a joker i'll take in the shop

stencil's solid enough

it kinda falls off lategame because realistically it's only ever just a 2x mult

makes it hard to shift builds around too because selling it usually sets you way back

[wooden pecan]

(or buying an important fifth joker)

[dusky verge]

All good point but you are wrong because stencil never loses

[wooden pecan]

i find it can work well when purchased early since you can often just focus more on planets and deck manipulation instead of buying jokers

but it's absolutely never being purchased past ante 4

[wooden pecan]

honestly i considered putting blackboard as the 4th best joker

realistically speaking it is just straight up slightly worse cavendish

especially since gold stake meta is pairs anyways so

blackboard is consistent with no deck manip but a couple worlds/moons and you're pretty much guaranteed x3 mult for the rest of the run

[wooden pecan]

also most dna targets are winmore

it does make brain happy to see you hit 10 mill off of glass red seal 5oak

but you don't actually need to have your deck be 20 glass red seals

literally just ~5 in a deck is more than enough and you can hit that easily with a cryptid and a few deaths

[wooden pecan]

hell, i can't remember the last time i chose 5oak over 4oak

[opaque spire]

trib!!

[dusky verge]

I need to got but thanks for all the info! I should beat gold stake before I am this opinionated anyways.

[wooden pecan]

haha no worries