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red spear
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@delicate grail

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@compact lava

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@lean sable

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pixbo = catCry3

lean sable
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This. This, you cleared up the one part I'd for questions about

red spear
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"questions about", but "which" i spout

languid meadowBOT
lean sable
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You are to things meant to glean

Question you and i spout, my answer you've now seen,
Make me wiser, o friend, give your answer yet unseen

delicate grail
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I see you, kiola. Nice flow.

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Santa approves

red spear
red spear
compact lava
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Okay, this flows a lot better lol,
Also, I did see this being an antithesis to Blank Wall lol, and I definitely agree with this lol
But sometimes it's good to ruminate in both past and future and the uncertainty that comes with it to be self reflective and learn lol, you just showed the learning part and I defined the ruminating part hehe
catok

-# also, a point for debate, as you say here "Lies should be embraced, implores..." and defend many more narratives supporting those themes, what do you say when somebody has done something truly wrong and requires for them to reflect upon it and realize it and grieve it to make up for it? How does this solve the mentality in long term if all lies and regrets are quickly forgiven? Wont all mistakes be treated with no repercussions then?

red spear
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No mistake has a "repercussion", only a subjective interpretation of the outcome for which follows.

compact lava
red spear
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incorrect. "serious" is once again a subjective interpretation of the degree for which you're applying the "repercussion" be valued at

compact lava
red spear
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Say

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@compact lava

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We both ride a roller coaster

you close your eyes and scream in fear

i hold my hands up and scream in joy

we both feel the same experience and circumstances, we just use different words to fit our subjective perception of it

naive talon
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and the reprocussion being in the end you both have now experieced a roller coaster and cannot experince it for the first time again. The reprocussion being now the next time you may feel scared or he may feel excited. The reprocussion of the action is how you define the future of the variables involed in any given scenario

red spear
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what if its our 8th, together

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and we react the exact same way

naive talon
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but its not your 9th

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so how could you be certain it will stay that way

red spear
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you hold well

red spear
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you're asking questions ive already answered

compact lava
# red spear We both ride a roller coaster you close your eyes and scream in fear i hold m...

Ahh okay sure, but when talking about regrets and mistakes, we are not talking about a neutral experience like riding a roller coaster, we are talking about actions or experiences with our intent that had bad consequences (this 'bad' can be subjective of course)
But what I ask of you, is where you draw the line of morality, where do you draw the line for self analyzation.
Imo, avoiding any self awareness by avoiding guilt or remorse will only lead to more mistakes being made and more denial. But again, there is a delicate balance and too much of either will negatively haha
Ofc, we can agree to disagree

naive talon
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convergance meaning what

red spear
red spear
red spear
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let me ask this

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how many numbers are between 1 and 2

naive talon
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an infinate i guess

red spear
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not you guess

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there is

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an infinite amount

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1.1

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1.01

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1.001

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1.0000000000272827237

naive talon
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yuh

red spear
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and so on

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but if you add them all up

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they converge to 2

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ding ding

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we have a result

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1 + 1 = 2

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past experiences equate to past experiences

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past experiences equate to new experiences

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objectively, you can subjectively call each "new" experience or attempt a "new" experience or attempt, but they are still objectively the same attempt

naive talon
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okay but you cant add an infinate amount of numbers and reach a sum that isnt also infinate

red spear
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oh but you can

naive talon
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ong?

compact lava
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Yo what

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I studied physics for 3 years never have I come across such rationalization

red spear
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1 + (all the numbers between 1 and 2) = less than the numbers between 2 and 3

compact lava
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I'm interested lol

red spear
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but im vastly simplifying

compact lava
red spear
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yes i may

naive talon
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okay forget the numbers and over complicated theoretic

languid meadowBOT
red spear
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oh wait

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@compact lava do you know of set theory?

compact lava
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I might have to revise a bit tho

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But again, I'm interested how you want to tie this in with the themes

red spear
red spear
red spear
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if you wanna get deeper

{1,2,3} ≠ {1,2,3}

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i mean deeper

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{1} ≠ {1}

naive talon
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you diregarded my use of the chaos of the universe by simply saying convergance, without elaboration. Im trying to understand in that specific moment what you meant. Without mathimatical theaory i will never understand, what does that mean.

red spear
compact lava
red spear
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naive talon
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okay but as time passes and you move toward the convergance every single individual variable is defined to have a input, as its the thing that comes after what came before it, and an output being its destined to move on to what came after it. Therefore the reprocussion of its existance is in time it will either stay exaclty how it is or it will move on aka move through time and reach another definate. Giving it a definable reprocussion.

compact lava
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There is a 1 for a 1

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There is a 2 for a 2

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And there is a 3 for a 3

red spear
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me you pixbo and xki are all humans

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same elements in the house

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or room

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so in that sense how are the elements different

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(i know they're different)

compact lava
red spear
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i need not allude to the truth

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now let me ask you this

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lets get a bit funner

compact lava
red spear
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lets try this example

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we have a set of cars

{1,2}

in car 1 = me you and pixbo {1, 2, 3}
in car 2 = just xki (sorry man) {1}

so, in this instance, we have a set of {1,2} but the elements within the elements of that set aren't the same

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so in this case

compact lava
languid meadowBOT
red spear
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{1} = 1 element in the set

{2} = 1 element in the set

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but

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{1} ≠ {2}

compact lava
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But....do come to how you equated 1 is not equal to 1

red spear
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is car 1 a singular car

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is car 2 a singular car

compact lava
red spear
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incorrect, it is

compact lava
# red spear incorrect, it is

Nah, you will have to define if car 1 is just a car, or is a car with me you and pixbo in it.
It can have the option of either being empty or with people.
It can't choose to be one of both at any given time.
Elements are constants

red spear
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the car is in a state of superposition

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what then

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actually

red spear
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it cant be one of both at any given time?

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tell me

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so

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are the words im typing or we send in motion, or at rest

compact lava
red spear
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and as you can see

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thats where people are restricted

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you're denying logicality for what

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formality?

compact lava
red spear
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if you are presented with a logical explanation for it, but it goes against something you believe to be correct, youd simply deny it?

compact lava
red spear
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alright good

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now

compact lava
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Imo logic is a tool to aid belief in truth

red spear
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lets have an example

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so

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youve got a bed ? or something, correct

compact lava
# red spear lets have an example

Again....I think this is very convoluted lol....I'm asking you to simplify, I still havent gotten the answer to the question that I asked 10 messages ago lol.
I mean I can entertain 1 more example, but I will have to ask you to "quantify" it lol

compact lava
red spear
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so

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currently

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is that bed at rest or at motion

compact lava
red spear
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scientifically

compact lava
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Atm of course

red spear
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is the earth spinning

compact lava
compact lava
red spear
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so is everything on earth or attached to it moving in accordance with its motion

compact lava
red spear
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that's

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exactly

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what i just

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described

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in relation to the earth's spin on its axis, your bed is moving

sterile whaleBOT
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*in relation to

the earth's spin on its axis,

your bed is moving*

- .kiola
compact lava
# red spear what i just

Nah that's the opposite to what you described
Its when the motion of the person in the motile mass in not corresponding to the mass upon it in accordance

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It's why, when jumping on a train, you land on the same spot instead of landing back a few steps is the train is moving ahead

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There are calculations and formulas for this

red spear
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yea

compact lava
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So technically, in the train, I was at rest

red spear
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yes obviously technically

compact lava
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So yes, my bed is at rest

red spear
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but you're also technically at motion

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in

compact lava
red spear
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if you

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were not

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in motion

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in relation to the earth

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youd be

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zooming

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somewhere right now

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how fasts the earth spin, like, 80 something thousand miles an hour?

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so

sterile whaleBOT
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*how fasts the earth spin,

like, 80 something thousand

miles an hour?*

- .kiola
red spear
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if you currently were going 0 mph

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absolute 0 mph

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or

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kilometers ph

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you would be

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left

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immediately in your tracks

compact lava
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Ahhh okay gotcha, okay then I'll attach this relative vector to my head

red spear
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well

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hm

compact lava
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Again...what's your point lol

red spear
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my point is

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its subjective

compact lava
# red spear its subjective

Yo, scientifically, when talking about relative vectors its subjective. But that's sooo far from what I asked you in the moral reasoning lol

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If everything in morality is subjective, what's the use of a legal system then?

red spear
red spear
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you rob someone = objectively subjectively right and wrong

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you get sentenced to community service = objectively subjectively right and wrong punishment

compact lava
red spear
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what, guilt? id feel no guilt

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i speak with no shame when i say ive reached a level of self actualization where, my choices are mine, my actions are mine, i define me

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and so

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if i commit a crime or do something

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im aware of the consequences

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and will feel no guilt

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because

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i knew it was all my fault or my choices

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now

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ive ive made a "mistake" then i see what went wront, how it went wrong, understand where it went wrong and then accept it

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and either do it correct the next time

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or continue to choose making the "mistake" understanding that its no longer a mistake

compact lava
# red spear im aware of the consequences

Well, you can feel both guilt and be aware of the consequences at the same time imo.
I dont think guilt is something like "I think that I shouldn't have done this"
It's the acknowledgment of our mistake and dealing with the grief of it. Of the people you have wronged and the hearts that have suffered.
It's a grieving part of acceptance

red spear
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i've completed and already accepted it

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grief, you say?

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define grief

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the grief of it

compact lava
# red spear i've completed and already accepted it

Ahh okay. Maybe we will agree to disagree there lol.
This was a conclusion that I'd come to after a long time of ruminating, because for me, I realized that I'm only accounting for myself when I so readily deny grieving the hearts that I have hurt when I view my mistakes as something to learn from and get over only.
Pf course those are intrinsic parts of moving on, but with time, I have learned to feel guilt right too.
And you asked about grief, grief is thinking about the emotions I have hurt and simply feeling pain because of it.
And honestly? This motivates me to improve more and keep myself happy and hold stronger connections to people hehe
But again, as you said, this is subjective lol

red spear
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well

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the emotions you have hurt in others

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or yourself

compact lava
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It's like...saying you have to deeply feel the failure in your bones to get over it and succeed the next time, rather than indifferent acceptance lol

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Hehe

red spear
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that's obvious

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try and try, fail and fail, until you get better and better

compact lava
sterile whaleBOT
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*try and try, fail

and fail, until you get

better and better*

- .kiola
red spear
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3rd haiku

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im going to kill

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this bot

compact lava
sterile whaleBOT
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*I just highlighted

"deeply feeling failure" part

in my poems lol*

- Zeantier
red spear
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yeah

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i jinxed us

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nowC

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now,

compact lava
red spear
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for me

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well

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if you knew me

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i am the epitome of failure

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and thus

compact lava
red spear
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the epitome of success

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Zeantier im going to share with you a poem of mine i actually

sterile whaleBOT
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*Zeantier im going

to share with you a poem of

mine i actually*

- .kiola
red spear
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I SWEAR TO GOD

compact lava
compact lava
compact lava
red spear
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i have a poem

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i made

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actually because

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well

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should i say? yes, that

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that

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what you are telling me

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right now

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everything youve told me

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well, youll see in the poem

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...

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"Teach...me?"

You speak as though I’m barren ground,
Unbroken, waiting to be found.
Yet every word you strain to say,
Is just a shadow of my day.

Your lessons fall like drops on stone,
No weight, no depth—they’re not your own.
A futile bid to guide my hand,
Through landscapes I already understand.

You point at stars I’ve mapped for years,
Explain the truths I’ve shed in tears.
Each thought you offer, worn and slow,
A futile echo—I already know.

Still, you insist, you cannot see,
The walls you build can’t cage what’s free.
For what you think I’ve yet to learn,
Is ash within my fire’s burn.

So tell me this: if all that is taught is bound by what you perceive,
What remains when perception itself must be deceived?

compact lava
# red spear well, youll see in the poem

Ahh hehehe, well then, in that case, I feel like writing an antithesis to my poem blank wall, to show the side of successes as well lol
But yes, I'd love to read yours hehe

compact lava
# red spear "Teach...me?" You speak as though I’m barren ground, Unbroken, waiting to be fo...

I actually love this lol, but I do have a feeling that this was for a specific subject lol
A person's tellings which felt fake to you maybe? Hehe
A mentor figure perhaps?
But well yes hehe, I do connect with this lol.
Every thesis has an antithesis, every antithesis has a synthesis, and every synthesis is thesis.
And we will spiral down the ends of all to gleam the truth hehe
But all we find out is that there is more of truth is to gleam
Wise is the person that understands the unfathomable depths of the misunderstood and unknown

red spear
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"every thesis has an antithesis, every synthesis has a synthesis, and everything synthesis is a thesis"

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@compact lava

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do you know

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what you just said

compact lava
red spear
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"i have a feeling its for a specific subject"

red spear
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words i have already spoken

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and documented

compact lava
red spear
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so

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in that exact situation

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the poem applies

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you said you had a feeling if it was for a specific situation

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this is that situation

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you're telling me stuff i already know

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i've already said

compact lava
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Okay gotcha lol

red spear
red spear
compact lava
# red spear you are indeed

Haha, well then, I still think we differ a bit on our opinions of where to draw the line of subjectivity and objectivity lol

red spear
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every thesis is a synthesis from a thesis and its antithesis's synthesis

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or so i summarize

compact lava
red spear
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how about this

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the thoughts you think are fissioned out as words that then fuse with my thoughts that then fission out as a response to then fuse with your own thoughts again for a new fission of thoughts

compact lava
red spear
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incorrect

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no mutual disagreement needed

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synthesis through synthesis

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no antithesis is needed in the context of this

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because think about this

red spear
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im not disagreeing with you, im just agreeing on a deeper level

compact lava
# red spear synthesis through synthesis

Ahh interesting. To conjure up an idea and to build up on it then lol.
That's definently a part of all convos lol, but I was under the impression that we were having a debate upon morality, which is why..."antithesis"

red spear
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well no

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it was never a debate in my opinion

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you told me things i all agreed with and understood

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i understand the agnostic stance

compact lava
sterile whaleBOT
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*Yeah lol, I got that

now hehe, which is why I

was confused a bit.*

- Zeantier
red spear
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and i say that because

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youd find it very

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hard to find a topic

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i dont agree with or understand

red spear
# sterile whale

summon haiku bot one more time and i might have to lose my mind

compact lava
# red spear hard to find a topic

Hehehhehe, yeah gotcha. You do seem like that.
As a person who likes debates to build up on my thinking tho, I was taking an opposite stance to the view I interpreted from your poem lol.
Which is why I presumed a debate

red spear
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which is why i didn't agree with what you were saying

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not because it was the poems view

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but because i wanted to help you grow, if it was your view

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want to know a secret

compact lava
red spear
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i wrote the poem just trying to match abccba

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i didn't think of anything in particular

compact lava
red spear
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i just wrote what came to mind to fit the rhyme scheme

compact lava
red spear
red spear
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but

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its the fact it was

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that supports the fact i understand it

red spear
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but

compact lava
red spear
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no you didn't

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unfortunately

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you didn't give me more context, you just reworded it

compact lava
compact lava
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What else do you call context then? I'd love to know your take on it

red spear
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uh

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hey zeantier quick question before i say what im about to say

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well, your answer is what decides if im going to say it or not

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but

sterile whaleBOT
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*well, your answer is

what decides if im going

to say it or not*

- .kiola
red spear
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okay im dying

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i quite life

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anywayd

compact lava
red spear
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i wrote a dissertation, do you have time to read it right now? i think youd love it entirely if you read it.

its about 20 doc pages, but not a long read i promise

compact lava
red spear
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nice