#Episode 40 - Winning With Arborec

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carmine lark
burnt jay
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hoary compass
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burnt jay
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Arborec is the first!

hoary compass
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What?! Ughh 🤣🤣

burnt jay
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Glad you agree 😉

carmine lark
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Episode 40 - Winning With Arborec

burnt jay
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Hot take: ||Don't research Sarween if you want to win||

marble coyote
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Could someone please explain this no-sarween thing to me? I haven't played arborec yet but I'm playing titans with pds everywhere and sarween is helping so much

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I don't understand how it could be bad for the weeds

burnt jay
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BLT's main argument was that Gravity Drive and Carrier II are much more useful to Arborec. If you have time to get extra techs, then sure, but otherwise he'd rather have increased early mobility and a couple less destroyers

carmine lark
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Yeah it's just that all sarween does is give you money. But if you pick a high resource slice, you have money, and the tech tempo is better used elsewhere.

Opportunity cost. It's a fine tech, but you get more out of others imo

shadow crystal
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Pretty confident the Hacan mach is errata remove and place meaning structures can also be shifted alongside other units. And you would not roll for cormund

carmine lark
olive mural
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I like Sarween, and it almost certainly has positive value over the course of the game, i.e. you'll use it more then seven times, and cover the cost of the CC and the research. But it is worth thinking about the difference in value of early resources vs. late resources. Saving money over the course of the game may not be as good as maximizing your early production

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The counterpoint is that with the hero, late-game resources are in fact really really important for Arborec. So if I can get Sarween without comprimising scoring and board presence too much, I do prefer to get it

burnt jay
carmine lark
burnt jay
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We have a couple disagreements but the overarching advice is solid, and it's very possible I one day change my mind about structure objectives.

carmine lark
burnt jay
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I love them

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Guaranteed scoring > uncertain scoring

carmine lark
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But you have to spend tokens on worthless plastic!

burnt jay
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And I'd rather see a structure objective flip early than a tech objective

carmine lark
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that's logically sound but I love tech

burnt jay
last skyBOT
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BLT used /search my_games ended_games: true
carmine lark
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dang it

burnt jay
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So many WINNERs appear in your games

carmine lark
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😬

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Like this was my arbo tech path once:

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burnt jay
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So much tech!

long anchor
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No sarween is interesting. Also a solid blue tech skip it seems 🔥

burnt jay
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Just like in the episode!

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(since I actually listened to this one, I have to make it real clear)

carmine lark
analog berry
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BLT i love this episode and i learned a lot!

clear parcel
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one of my arborec games

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how much better would arborec be if mitosis was rise of the messiah every round

long anchor
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Another ruthless mind control game it seems

clear parcel
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yup

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tbf the we ended the game after i said i had it locked up in round 4

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we flipped the first stage 2

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and no one scored it out

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so point differential is off

clear parcel
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2 rex points

burnt jay
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Aight @carmine lark , I'm trying out your no-Sarween Arborec build

carmine lark
burnt jay
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I am planning on activating at least three systems this round, and it's only round 2...

carmine lark
burnt jay
burnt jay
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I've now missed out on at least 12 resources worth of production. I'm so behind on plastic. I spent Plagiarize to get Dread II because I don't have a yellow skip or AIDA.

Tbf, I think that "no Sarween" could work if you're just sitting at home, and I might have picked a bad game to try this build out, since the four player map is a bit more spacious.

carmine lark
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Yeah I should clarify, it works for me because I don't go places