#Episode 31 - To custodians, or not to custodians?

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glass shard
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https://strengthenbonds.podbean.com/e/episode-31-to-custodians-or-not-to-custodians/

Episode 31 - To Custodians, or Not to Custodians? | Strengthen Bond...

BLT and Bluebird talk about how BLT is too wimpy to go for to Custodians point, Dane's new homebrew, and automated ground combats.
1:35 When to go for the Custodians point?
6:50 Opportunity cost and benefits, and whether it matters if you can hold on to Rex
9:50 On sniping undefended planets, and whether it matters if they are neutral, equidista...

signal drum
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Also have a pretty strong preference to not take Custodians. Will do it if it presents itself on a platter, but otherwise will generally be happier doing something else

cerulean cloud
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I'm interested to listen to this given the first thing I did this morning in my game was take Custodians 😅

hollow dune
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I haven’t taken custodians in over two years. I actively avoid it.

glass shard
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Man I missed a chance to say that the best part of no custodians is that if no one takes it, no agenda phase!

hollow dune
valid drum
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Bluebird mentioning 3 Argent HS has got me thinking it maybe fun to have multiples of commanders in some games

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One argent commander is good yes, but what about 3 argent commanders?

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3 muaat commanders to just be net neutral on every CC spend

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Though probably a lot of em have no real benefit from being duplication

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Cant get 2 free flagships

glass shard
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It takes a really special brain to take the ramblings of a 9 year old and see the potential for real ideas

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Every pds taking... 4? Shots would be wild for sure

valid drum
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Commanders that work well in multiples:

  1. Arborec
  2. Barony
  3. Muaat
  4. Argent
  5. Sardakk
  6. Nekro
  7. Jol Nar
  8. Cabal
  9. Keleres (do 1 component action, get X extra actions)
  10. Ghost
  11. Hacan
  12. Mentak
  13. Naalu (if you see next X agendas)
  14. Winnu (oh god)
  15. NRA
  16. Titans
  17. Sol

Factions where more commanders doesnt do much

  1. Saar
  2. L1
  3. Xxcha
  4. Yin
  5. Nomad
  6. Yssaril
  7. Empyrean
  8. Mahact
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Could be interesting to do a varient where commander power is doubled or tripled

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And just avoid the 8 commanders which dont combo well

glass shard
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Arbo lets you build multiple units?
Barony gives 2 tgs per sustain?

Yeah this is wild, Winnu yeah, Naaz gets to explore each planet twice?

valid drum
mild tulip
valid drum
quartz trout
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Omg this disrespect for cabal

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@glass shard we are in a fight 🦖

glass shard
quartz trout
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I thought you said "I'll do custodians if I'm playing a bad faction" and bluebird said "like who?" and you said "like arborec... or cabal"

glass shard
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Sounds about right, though as I was talking I realized that bad factions can't even get custodians... except for cabal

mild tulip
glass shard
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If if if

mild tulip
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Absolutely a big if. Cabal needs a slice with influence to do it too

glass shard
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That's fair, I just see their mobility but yeah diplo is needed to do it R1

mild tulip
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I was thinking R2 but yah it’s all magic anyways

glass shard
quartz trout
glass shard
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I don't know how mean it is to share a personal opinion based on my own playstyle. If I were some kind of community leader who was making some kind of overall tier list I'd maybe try to take other playstyles into account. For me personally I'm 0-3 with them, and I have them ranked 21st

quartz trout
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Oh sorry i probably vibed badly

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I'm fake mad you don't like them not genuinely mad you said what you said

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I want everyone to love them like i do

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Empyrean Hacan Yssaril Saar Jolnar Mahact Naaz Keleres Sol Titans

Naalu Cabal Nekro Argent Nomad

Arborec Muaat Winnu Sardakk Barony L1 Ghost Yin XXcha Mentak

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I guess 11-15 for me for cabal

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Sorry, didn't mean to hassle you 🫡

cosmic umbra
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Cabal prefers to get a Mecatol point in R2 or something instead, I think. Grab a bit of plastic from whoever got there first, still get your guac, not waste influence you desperately need elsewhere

quartz trout
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Yeah they'd take the point for 6i but it would be a problem to solve, not something to go way out of your way for

cosmic umbra
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I feel like many factions are in that position. Less upside to getting there 2nd than Cabal, but the extra 2 tokens worth of influence in R2 usually means you’re overextended into the mid-game

quartz trout
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I love custodians as argent and nomad

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Nobody else immediately comes to mind

glass shard
quartz trout
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Big hugs, even for keleres mains!

ivory moat
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I think it's also dependent on which game mode you're playing

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the more points, the less important custodians becomes