Music Production

[rugged iris]

here's a song udea . what do you think?

[cerulean pike]

👍 is alright

https://tenor.com/view/melancolico-mono-depre-monkey-sad-gif-15551864

[rugged iris]

i was making myself dinner yesterday and it came to my head and this what came out.

hhehee

it sounds like when a main character dies hhehehehhee

[thorny mulch]

sigma

[rugged iris]

[cerulean pike]

I've assembled an album

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-lonely-lonely-lonely-lonely-i-guess-i'm-lonely-evernight-march-gif-9671121314844042818

[charred steppe]

i decided to make uptempo

[rugged iris]

it better be good or i'll ask admin to kick you out for false advertising
(i'm just kidding... or am i?)

sooo...
i got this idea. what if Manifest was made in 2017 and had a better chorus?
so made a smol remix, it's a buildup and drop

[rugged iris]

nearly there just needs an intro and the 1st verse

[cerulean pike]

I mean if you like the music that I make then I guess you'll like it
It's gonna be released somewhere in winter, I don't know the exact date yet

[cerulean pike]

I think old Neffex had more dynamics in the drop

the guitar was quieter and there was usually some lead synth or something like that

[cerulean pike]

the kick should be more kicking imo

btw vocal skill update
I think I'm almost there for this one

nvm it's so terribly off-key 😭😭😭😭

[rugged iris]

Nice Goodluck hehehe

[rugged iris]

Noted

[rugged iris]

Noted

[rugged iris]

Noted

[cerulean pike]

Well you did a good job in the expanded version but I think that maybe you could add a reversed sidechain

like when the kick hits other instruments get louder

[rugged iris]

Mmmmm, i don't know I'll try
thanks btw

[cerulean pike]

yw (I have no idea what I'm talking about I've never dissected an older neffex song)

[rugged iris]

I think it's alright

[cerulean pike]

it's maybe 5 semitones higher than I'd like it to be honestly

but at least I'm better at avoiding hitting the wrong notes now

[rugged iris]

Neither am i. I had no refrence when i made that heheh but i might use let me down or before im gone

[cerulean pike]

I might not be able to sing a particular melody but I already instinctively avoid notes that aren't in the scale

[rugged iris]

Idk i think its alright but you do what you think is right

[rugged iris]

Yeah i noticed that

[rugged iris]

Good good

[cerulean pike]

It's a long way till I'm satisfied with my vocal performance actually since I've recently started listening to Ado

[rugged iris]

Oh that's you. I thought it was an old Russian song that you've remixed hehehehe ma bad

[cerulean pike]

It's not even in Russian bro

[rugged iris]

Ukrainian?

[cerulean pike]

yea

[rugged iris]

I can't tell them apart

[cerulean pike]

I'm not gonna work with music in Russian until peace

[rugged iris]

Yeah i understand

[cerulean pike]

I don't even know how to explain it to you but there are certain sounds that Ukrainian has and Russian doesn't

And English doesn't even have words to describe these sounds 😭😭😭

[rugged iris]

I know like american accents and british

[rugged iris]

English is a mf

[cerulean pike]

Well at least american and british english use the same alphabet

[rugged iris]

Blyat

That's the only word i know

Hehehe

[cerulean pike]

in Ukrainian we have this mf
ї

[rugged iris]

Ooow

[cerulean pike]

also we have ґ

that nobody uses ever

[rugged iris]

Bruh

[cerulean pike]

it's like a hard g

[rugged iris]

Bruuuh

[cerulean pike]

https://tenor.com/view/teto-gif-10942464254842861044

[rugged iris]

🍐 yaay

[cerulean pike]

Teto is 31 year old

https://tenor.com/view/kasane-teto-bread-gif-957594897712705805

[thorny mulch]

so old

[rugged iris]

Yes I'm into old women

[thorny mulch]

mommy

[rugged iris]

mommy

[charred steppe]

weird thing i made yesterday

[rugged iris]

goob

[cerulean pike]

Not any weirder than the things you usually make

[charred steppe]

😭

[cerulean pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773751924977696768/1339225867422797825/mikuPoint-4x.gif

[rugged iris]

Nice concept

[charred steppe]

ignore

[charred steppe]

ignore some more

[merry hollow]

I'm gonna make a drill melody, chord progression, and ambience in C# phrygian and then transpose it to A# to use in a hybrid trap song

[cerulean pike]

Cool
And I made a new distortion preset

[merry hollow]

Ooh nice

[charred steppe]

decided to extend the part

i just have to make it less repetitive

[cerulean pike]

add some variation to the piano passes

or maybe another instrument to form a call-response with the piano before the violin appears

[hushed crescent]

nice bass

[cerulean pike]

It's mixed professionally I'd say

But I can't hear the vocals being double-tracked

[cerulean pike]

And the lyrics are er... suboptimal, in my opinion

But overall you did a good job if you don't have that much experience

[hushed crescent]

That's because he didn't listen to "Generation"

[hushed crescent]

I don't have such good equipment; I'm Brazilian and I don't own a decent kit

[cerulean pike]

Yeaa it feels in the way you write that English isn't your native language I suppose

And good equipment isn't really necessary

I mean, you sing really well regardless

[hushed crescent]

Well, I guess I should write very "correctly," actually, I still haven't learned the slang or anything like that

Do you have any projects to show?

[cerulean pike]

I'm listening to the only one that I recorded in English determining whether it's worthy to show

[charred steppe]

Tyty

[cerulean pike]

Your lyrics are too direct for my taste

Like you're just making a statement

[hushed crescent]

limits

'-'

[hushed crescent]

I get really pissed off

[cerulean pike]

I guess that's how most music in English goes tho but I perceive music rather as a way to say something less directly so that not everyone can get what you're talking about

so it's like a little puzzle for people to solve

[cerulean pike]

Just practice more

And perhaps pay more attention to lyrics of songs that you do like

[hushed crescent]

Yes, I will, but those two are more explicit songs than the ones I make. Apart from that, they're a mix similar to "Neffex" itself, with some traces of Lil Peep. I could call it "Emo Trap Metal"

[cerulean pike]

I re-rendered the only vocal song I have

I guess I have to record vocals all over again so they actually sound like a person singing if I ever want to release it but yeah here it is

[hushed crescent]

Initially, I thought there was something "high," perhaps "sharp," about the sound

[hushed crescent]

oh, nice line bass

[cerulean pike]

I do like making bass lines

😭😭😭 Perhaps I am destined to become a bass player after all

[hushed crescent]

Did he do it with "piano"?

[cerulean pike]

No, a synth

but in this song specifically the gimmick is that the rhythm section gets louder when the bass plays

[hushed crescent]

oh

[cerulean pike]

Perhaps you've heard of sidechain

this is it except it makes things louder and not quieter

[hushed crescent]

This is "Broken," the one I presented above; this is part [other] of it

[cerulean pike]

as an instrumental artist I'd say you should work on your off-vocal parts a little bit too

It would make little difference to most people (especially in your genre) but I think that good instrumental makes even a vocal song better

I mean my arrangements are usually something like this

[hushed crescent]

uhmm

[cerulean pike]

🥱

[charred steppe]

Tyty

[rugged iris]

THIS A REMIX OR YOUR VOCALS?

i'm kinda dry and got no ideas for music. help?

[rugged iris]

this remix is no longer a remix it's gonna be a standalone song with no vocals

[hushed crescent]

my vocals

=0

[rugged iris]

noice (mouth click sound)

[hushed crescent]

It feels like there are clicking sounds in my mouth?

[rugged iris]

horny jail for you

[hushed crescent]

It's a good invitation.

[rugged iris]

i'm trying hard not to say the dreaded n* word but you guys keep triggering me

[rugged iris]

Noice again that's fire

[hushed crescent]

You're provoking yourself, my friend.

It's all a personal matter, don't you think?

[rugged iris]

hhhehehehhe idk. iwas nearly banned for saying whi**a only got a warning hhe

[rugged iris]

i am not a racist (i am)

i mean universally not just black or white

(i'm crazy)

[hushed crescent]

Well, I don't think I remember saying you were racist.

[rugged iris]

you didn't? sorry...
anyway forget i said anything

[hushed crescent]

relax

What's your name?

[rugged iris]

https://tenor.com/view/im-relaxed-punch-rage-mad-gif-20460560

[rugged iris]

HVKZ

[hushed crescent]

Nice, Hvkz

[rugged iris]

idk it's combo of the first and last letter of my name and last name.
it was supposed to be HAKZ but switch the A with V to look cool, i guess

[hushed crescent]

my name, is Davih

[rugged iris]

what about you? why BlightSTK?

[rugged iris]

oh nice where are you from

[hushed crescent]

🇧🇷

[rugged iris]

nice i'm from...

🇲🇦

the land of freedom (NO)

and my name is Hamza btw

[hushed crescent]

Hamza ibn Abdul-Muttalib

[rugged iris]

sybau or... i'll explode on you

[cerulean pike]

lock yourself in a room with no internet for a week

and you'll probably make a whole album

[rugged iris]

okay that's pretty good

[cerulean pike]

Btw I made a tape delay simulation effects chain

[rugged iris]

i don't know what that is but guitar is good and the delay is too fast

[cerulean pike]

tape delay is basically what they had before digital delay was invented

sound was recorded on a tape live and then played back with a delay

[rugged iris]

oh that's what it is tnx for explaining

[charred steppe]

i hate everyone equally

[hushed crescent]

Play Lil Peep

[rugged iris]

Me too.
As a matter of fact, i do hate you for reasons that don't seem to exist.

[cerulean pike]

What sampling tech did to music
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/903791965731164211/1445033232679829585/Snapchat-1290295543.mov?ex=6930d9d2&is=692f8852&hm=49469826596a00edd84e1938419518656623400ee263e36662f061c36b1c769f&

[rugged iris]

ayayay

[hushed crescent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1348865502386196580/1446501600184107111/ata.mp4?ex=69343718&is=6932e598&hm=b4cd77997246493fdb234248e3f1a0bdbceb63fd3c8642152bcb214ca5173d8e&

[rugged iris]

i hate this song but nice job

[cerulean pike]

you're mean bro 😭 😭 😭

[rugged iris]

no no no i didn't mean anything bad i just said that i hate the song, nothing bout him. he's good

[rugged iris]

also what is those things on our profiles?

[cerulean pike]

I'm not sure how they're called

why?

[rugged iris]

nothing just asking

is it normal to have most of your projects be a NEFFEX or BS remixes?
(i never finish them)

[cerulean pike]

I mean most of my projects are my own

https://tenor.com/view/miku-hatsune-miku-miku-plushie-fuwa-fuwa-gif-25808352

[rugged iris]

weeell

[rugged iris]

CHEESE.

[blazing obsidian]

I haven't been active on neffex discord since forever 😭🥀🙏

[rugged iris]

some sfx are weird and vocs are kinda over just leave the "idk which way to turn", maybe pitch down and manipulate it to sound different but still in key.
The song itself is good

[blazing obsidian]

Vocals are temporary, I'll replace them with real ones (hopefully)

[rugged iris]

nice vro good luck

[rugged iris]

i removed the vocs, changed some notes in the melody(not conviced yet) and changed the kick to a real one from a drum kit

enjoy

[charred steppe]

extended it a bit

[cerulean pike]

👍

[rugged iris]

sounds ggoob

[charred steppe]

tty

[charred steppe]

ignore

[charred steppe]

i hate the lead on this

[rugged iris]

it just needs a bit tweaking...

[charred steppe]

a

no wait

might be this one

[rugged iris]

this sounds better

[cerulean pike]

dunno I have troubles hearing this one

feels like it's a bit too high up in the spectrum

[charred steppe]

i kind of want to make it a bg saw

[rugged iris]

someone said big saw? (idk what i'm doing )

[charred steppe]

😭

me neither

i added a mid bass

[rugged iris]

what are you trying to make? what genre? color bass?

[charred steppe]

i have no idea myself

i feel like its kind of trap mixed with future bass and some industrial thing in 180bpm

[rugged iris]

a reference track would help but i don't know

[charred steppe]

this i guess 😭

but like it only gave me the idea for the kick

[rugged iris]

noice noice look for tracks that sound like what you're making and make a reference track... (i sound just like gpt right now)

[rugged iris]

use it as your reference track then

[charred steppe]

maybe yea

H

but its mostly dubstep

which i dont really produce

[rugged iris]

yeah that stuff is hard, ive been trying to make future bass for 4yrs now and i still suck

anyway good luck, i'd say let's collab but im too nervous i might fuck up or something

[charred steppe]

i dont have much space in my schedule currently 😭

[rugged iris]

it's okay, i understand you're busy...
good luck again

[charred steppe]

tytyy

you too

[rugged iris]

[cerulean pike]

If you're trying to make dance or something that would kick you should change the melody to something less abrasive

remove half step transitions and other such things

[charred steppe]

wip wip

The song itself ends at like 3:30

Anything after 3:30 is just ideas and wips

[cerulean pike]

😭 187 mb

[charred steppe]

Yep

[cerulean pike]

you should render in mp3 for previews maybe

[charred steppe]

Mmm it’s fine I delete the previous version either way

The stem folder was 9gb..

[cerulean pike]

💀💀💀

[charred steppe]

Yeahh

[cerulean pike]

that's a third of what all my projects combined take up

[charred steppe]

This is what happens when you produce rhythm game music

[cerulean pike]

And I have like 80-ish FL projects

[cerulean pike]

Time to listen to my album again and think about what kind of cover I should make for it

[charred steppe]

Idk I went for this

Still working on it

[cerulean pike]

ur making this yourself?

[charred steppe]

Mhm

I’m too broke to commission someone

[cerulean pike]

😭 I'm not that good with graphic design

[charred steppe]

Me neither

[cerulean pike]

I mean the best I ever made is this

[rugged iris]

it's like riding a rollercoaster for the first time... (this is compliment)

[charred steppe]

That’s kind of the point

I’m happy to hear that haha

[rugged iris]

i went and remastered this bad boy, i took off the melody because i don't like it anymore

[rugged iris]

when something is good whomever made it deserves praise...
(i spend a while trying to say something and this what came up)

[charred steppe]

Haha I see

Also Yeahhh I agree

[charred steppe]

This lowkey reminds me of the music you hear in some pc building videos 😭

[rugged iris]

at least it's something

[charred steppe]

wait this is the updated version i think

[charred steppe]

Still a wip of ours w

Ofcourse

[rugged iris]

drums are a little louder than the the other elements in the tracks
or is it supposed to be like that?

[charred steppe]

Meh kind of

I also want to add some more background stuff I guess

[rugged iris]

noice noice like ear candy or whatever that they call it

[charred steppe]

Yeah

And some more pads and stuff

To make it a bit more cinematic/emotional

Oo also funnily enough I made the guitar out of this

[rugged iris]

like neffex type of cinematic lmao

[charred steppe]

That’s not really what I wanted to go for

[rugged iris]

distortion is a life changer, i also made heavy guitar using two basses

[charred steppe]

Yeahh

Idk I got guitar rig 6 pro for free with my interface

[rugged iris]

it is good?

[charred steppe]

I mean I barely use it but from my experience it’s okay

[cerulean pike]

ooh a synth or a cello or whatever through a guitar amp we like that

[rugged iris]

Okay tnx

[rugged iris]

it needs a lot of work, it ain't terrible, the piano slaps but the rest not good.

[rugged iris]

i got this cool idea... what if chasing by neffex was rock?

[cerulean pike]

💀

That's too slow for rock

Also the guitar got no transients but I suppose that's because you're using a plugin

[cerulean pike]

bass

[rugged iris]

No, just ✌ distorted basses

Sooo... it’s just a concept that i may not finish (i never finish anything)

[rugged iris]

I like the bass and the jazzy feel but there's overlap and muddiness (is this how they spell muddiness, im kinda of a retarded person lol)

[cerulean pike]

This was a demo of 4 different ways of playing

first was finger plucking then playing with a pick then thumb plucking then slap

I'm kinda bad at finger picking and slap but I've started learning slap

[rugged iris]

You have a guitar 🎸 noice bruh

[cerulean pike]

I have four

[rugged iris]

With trial and error you'll be better

[rugged iris]

Gimme one pniiiiiz

Im joking good for you

[ember flicker]

for the lyricists here what is your process? like im really struggling to find a process for myself. and then when you write are you just saying the same thing differently in each verse? (ping me or i will probably never see the answer)

[cerulean pike]

Well I usually try to pass along a certain thought or idea by using some elaborate constructions or analogies
Poetry is essentially about saying what you want to say in a complicated way so that not everyone can understand and it's kinda fun to try to solve the puzzle of what the author wanted to say
You have to keep a balance so that the puzzle in question isn't simple and boring but at the same time isn't too hard for people so it's still somewhat engaging and thought-provoking

[ember flicker]

makes sense... not sure how well that would work for my style that im TRYING to do... im tryign to make lyrics similar to what neffex does you know uplifting and inspirational

[fading hollow]

I tried making something yall 🙈

[cerulean pike]

It's better than the original imo

It at least keeps up the dynamics

Though I'd record some proper guitars

[rugged iris]

If i had one and i know how to use it but this song is ass and i had an idea to edit it and i did. (It's still shit)

[cerulean pike]

Maybe I'll record guitars one day

or maybe not

[rugged iris]

Practice makes perfect lol

[cerulean pike]

actually the riff sounds deadass simple

the problem is that I'm way too lazy to change the strings on my guitar

maybe I'll do it tomorrow

[rugged iris]

Sure do your thing good luck heheh

[cerulean pike]

btw I cracked the royal road progression

[rugged iris]

the what? lol

[cerulean pike]

the royal road chord progression

the japanese/anime music one

that makes japanese music sound japanese

[rugged iris]

lol nice how hard is it

[cerulean pike]

pretty easy actually

you just have to follow two major chords with two minor ones (or vice versa) and make all of them 7 chords

[rugged iris]

(didn't understand none of that but great job)

(hope we see you in the big leagues)

[charred steppe]

grrr

ive been trying to make a kick similair to

to this

i still have to fix the rumble

but its almsot there

[cerulean pike]

I don't think you can even call that a kick anymore

[charred steppe]

Rawstyle rainbow kick

[charred steppe]

A

Music production

[charred steppe]

Idk @merry hollow do you have any feedback except for

The mix and master

Since I know it’s

Messy

[merry hollow]

Uhh so not really my genre but there seems to be a lack of b a s s

[charred steppe]

Are you sure

[merry hollow]

I mean I could just be used to louder bass? Best to ask multiple people so you can get a common ground of noticeable things

At around the 1:38 mark I feel like the bass is good

Other than that, not really

[merry hollow]

This is my usual bass setting lol

I use this while also normalizing songs to 100% volume

[charred steppe]

Damn

I only have an eq to Make the highs lower and the lows mono

And sometimes to reduce the 300-400hz regions

[merry hollow]

No I didn't mean while making-

I meant to listen to music xd

[merry hollow]

DnB drums sound so good at 130 bpm what lol

[cerulean pike]

that's just a basic rock drum pattern bro

ofc it'd sound good

[merry hollow]

Its literally all DnB-like sounds

[cerulean pike]

That's exactly why sound design does not matter 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[merry hollow]

And if you haven't heard many DnB songs, then they're all really similar with the drum patterns, including this which is just remade at 130 bpm

[merry hollow]

I don't get you

[cerulean pike]

I don't get you either

[merry hollow]

We're even then xd

[cerulean pike]

I meant that it doesn't matter how exactly your drums sound as long as you can tell them apart from eachother

well ofc the samples can be both good or bad but if the samples in question are good then it makes no difference

[merry hollow]

No-

Different sounds work better in different scenarios, that's why in a lot of packs or kits you'll see for example kicks separated by punchy to clicky to soft to hard

Like how 2 stomp kicks can sound similar and good but if one is making your song sound worse, its safe to say that this might not be the best place to use said kick

Try out more sounds, see what fits and what you like

Whether its related to mixing, general feel, impact, or whatever else

Sound designing didn't just appear out of nowhere for no reason lol

And especially in a lot of EDM genres, sound design is key because of how much layering and mixing needs to be done

[cerulean pike]

Bro I make my music with samples from a shoegaze drum kit and it does not bother me

I have a single drum template for all my needs

which is like 2 options for every main drum

[merry hollow]

I can go ahead and create a sub and print it and then just knock it up 700 semitones, or I can do what sounds better to me which is going into serum, making a sub bass using a sine wave, layering it with another sine wave that's 700 semitones up and then using a filter and envelope on it to make a harmonic sub layer

[merry hollow]

Which again- is a you thing

I can't use the same kick in every track because for me it just starts to sound like the same thing again and again

I'm not trying to make 10 VIPs, I'm trying to make 10 different tracks, all that I enjoy

[cerulean pike]

Oh also I was experimenting with the royal road progression and its analogs

[merry hollow]

I like how the bassline ends

[cerulean pike]

It's not like I've actually written it down or anything

[merry hollow]

So?

[cerulean pike]

just improvised it

[merry hollow]

Nothing's wrong with that at all lol

[turbid briar]

<@&948748342891008040> @Neffex - do you have stems or an instrumental available for Ready to Go, Dangerous, and Backstage? I want to make karaoke tracks to sing at the bar here for myself.

[rugged iris]

a remix of the unreleased song "Your Smile".

[turbid briar]

Your tracks would be better but for Karaoke and me singing, nobody will really be listening to the imperfections. - Instrumental for Dangerous --

Ready to go has a lead-in of about 7 or 8 seconds as it starts right there with the lyrics.

Still working on Backstage.

[turbid briar]

This has the backing "Hey"s in it - so it's how I wanted.

[rugged iris]

Update...
Changed the drop to something match the tone.

[rugged iris]

Dayum this is good.

[rugged iris]

update #2
-better buildup
-Added a melody

[blazing obsidian]

Hardstyle chainsomorkers remixxxxxx

[rugged iris]

https://youtu.be/V0y4aeRXYkA?si=a6yw0liprK3CwSjf
This is actually pretty good🔥

[rugged iris]

It's pretty good

But the key change is weird
is that a hardstyle thing?

[blazing obsidian]

Normally, atleast for me

[rugged iris]

Oki

[merry hollow]

@blazing obsidian Here then

[blazing obsidian]

finally found it

thx

uk hardcore demo i made

[charred steppe]

Noway another hardstyle producer

Well I’m more of a raw / multigenre producer but close enough

idk i have this

the idk hardstyle-ish drop is at 2:45

[charred steppe]

ooowh right @merry hollow what do you think

idk i also made this not too long ago which is more house idk

[blazing obsidian]

I'm actually MercuryFM

[blazing obsidian]

This guy

[charred steppe]

im trying to remember but cant..

[cerulean pike]

😭😭😭 You don't have to say that bro

[charred steppe]

what why

😭

[cerulean pike]

it's mean 😭😭😭

[charred steppe]

im not trying to be mean thoughh

[charred steppe]

First time making something like this

[cerulean pike]

.wav

57 mb

😭😭😭

actually @charred steppe teach me how do u make it that there's so much space in ur tracks

Is it like just a lot of different pads and sfx?

[blazing obsidian]

yes

[charred steppe]

usually yess

i love atmos

and stuff

😭

some more textures and ambiance

theres also a lot of grainy botanica textures

oo also remember to eq the frequencies you dont need out

for example in a lead

or chords

you dont really need the low frequencies

[cerulean pike]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hatsune-miku-miku-hatsune-25

[charred steppe]

Its

Pretty simple

[cerulean pike]

Nah sorry I'm a lobotomite

[blazing obsidian]

collab between me and four people

[blazing obsidian]

why is this chat so dead all of a sudden 🥀🥀

[cerulean pike]

[rugged iris]

[rugged iris]

This is remix of goodbye because i didn't like the original instrumental

[blazing obsidian]

Why does this sound like I'm playing it on a vrs tape

[cerulean pike]

Maybe add some mid-range synths to the chorus so it's more like a drop?

Also I don't remember you doing rock stuff

Sounds quite cool indeed

[blazing obsidian]

Nvm it was my earphones

Banger song

[rugged iris]

Probably bcuz i distorted the hell out of the guitar and bass

[rugged iris]

Like a melody or something?

[rugged iris]

Actually it's a guitar sample i pitch 7 semitones down and distorted. If i had a guitar i would do it myself but my hands were tied hehe

[rugged iris]

[rugged iris]

Actually... it would sound pretty good like that, it fits the theme of the song.

[cerulean pike]

chords

[blazing obsidian]

He means supersaws

This guy's not that edm smart

lmao

[cerulean pike]

No I don't?

I mean exactly what I said

[blazing obsidian]

thats what supersaws are lmao

not all supersaws are highs

[cerulean pike]

supersaw is a waveform buddy

[blazing obsidian]

saw wave is a waveform

[cerulean pike]

hate to break it to you but there are other waveforms

[blazing obsidian]

ik

a supersaw is a combination of saw waves and other waveforms

saw waves were what you thought was supersaws

[cerulean pike]

I know that there's a difference between a saw and a supersaw

[rugged iris]

Lmao

[charred steppe]

Isn’t a super saw like

A thing with multiple layers of saws

And pads

And what not

[blazing obsidian]

"Layers of saws" like I said, adding more saw waves with other oscillators/waveforms, which in your case is other saw waves

[blazing obsidian]

Only the waveforms

The pads are their own thing

[charred steppe]

owh

yeah idk usually i use

saws and mid basses

and pads

for saw stacks

[blazing obsidian]

right i forgot you produce the raw part of hdm 😭

[charred steppe]

😭

yeahh

[blazing obsidian]

We're like polar opposites in the same fking genre

You produce the raw parts, I do the opposite and produce the melodic partz

[charred steppe]

mmm kicks...

[blazing obsidian]

ok we get it

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-tookyt-we-see-the-fit-gif-3524378940734545125

[charred steppe]

oo and like i made this for the funsies

[blazing obsidian]

I actually did something like this recently for a first drop, it was released a week ago

https://youtu.be/knBnf7WgJg8?si=3F_yYk1S9iKodeJd
This

[charred steppe]

teto

[blazing obsidian]

yes

teto

[charred steppe]

nicee

[blazing obsidian]

This kick is to date still my hardest kick of all time

[charred steppe]

i uhh idk

i have a lot of hard kick

s

😭

my favorite type is the rainbow kick though

this sounds like an angry rubber band omfg

[blazing obsidian]

Oh the colour kicks! Yeah ive seen them in the OPS free pack

[charred steppe]

oo damn i see

i made my own

[blazing obsidian]

I use samples

[blazing obsidian]

I make every other instrument instead

[blazing obsidian]

Very colourful! (Im so funy)

[charred steppe]

yeahh

[charred steppe]

ignore

[cerulean pike]

😭😭😭 your kick has way too much kick

[cerulean pike]

interesting

[cerulean pike]

bro invented bass guitar 🔥🔥🔥

[rugged iris]

Lol

[rugged iris]

I saw the name aaaa and thought i was that chicken meme hehehehehehe

[cerulean pike]

[merry hollow]

Did something after a long while @charred steppe @cerulean pike

Still needs a lot of work but its something at least

[charred steppe]

crazy

[cerulean pike]

🤨 what's that time signature

[merry hollow]

Dw about it xd

[cerulean pike]

No I want to know

[charred steppe]

im trying ableton our

out

[merry hollow]

I just zoomed into a normal 1/4 signature to put notes in between, its not a set time signature I'm following or anything

[merry hollow]

Ooh nice lol

[merry hollow]

Does this give off desert vibes perhaps

[cerulean pike]

I started using samples and uhh apparently I'm making rap beats now

[merry hollow]

If so I'm probably on the right track

Just didn't wanna slap an oud on there and call it a day

[merry hollow]

Its cool but don't know where you got rap beats from

[charred steppe]

i have this very atmospheric

thingy

[merry hollow]

Ooh

[cerulean pike]

I don't think when I speak sometimes

soemtimes I jast say what I feel like saying

[merry hollow]

Could transition into orchestral edm possibly

[merry hollow]

Dude the discord ping is throwing me off so bad xd

[merry hollow]

Fair enough tbh

[cerulean pike]

maybe if you change the mode

[charred steppe]

I WAS IN A CALL LMAO

[cerulean pike]

like lower the second

[charred steppe]

yeahh we dont really know what to

do with it

[cerulean pike]

so far it sounds just like generic fantasy videogame battle music

[merry hollow]

I'm trying to give it a desert like theme without going too stereotypical if that makes sense, like I know yeah phrygian mode or something would make it sound more desert like but at the same time its supposed to be a boss theme soooo

[merry hollow]

Fair

[merry hollow]

Got it lmao

[charred steppe]

oowh and this

[merry hollow]

Orchestral EDM or maybe even DnB

[charred steppe]

no idea what genre that is

[cerulean pike]

Well you don't have to emphasize the minor second

[charred steppe]

i mean its in 160bpm so its

[cerulean pike]

You could make it more subtle

[charred steppe]

kind of slo

w

[merry hollow]

Ehh, slow dnb can still work, and you can always just make a tempo automation as long as its done well

[merry hollow]

True

I'll try that on different sections

Rn I've gotta figure out how the track should actually start and what not

I have 0 structure atm xd

[cerulean pike]

reject structure

go prog

[cerulean pike]

Changed the mixing a bit

[merry hollow]

No xd

Not for this track at least

[cerulean pike]

Funny story the synth riff is actually a compilation of some Van Halen riffs

[merry hollow]

Nice lol

I just like bass guitars

[cerulean pike]

yeah bass guitars are cool

[charred steppe]

oo right and i made this which im proud od

of

[cerulean pike]

classical music is just really old prog if you think about it

[merry hollow]

Okay this did not work out like I thought lmao

[merry hollow]

Yeah but again, not for this track at least

[merry hollow]

Don't mind the lag-

My laptop is struggling xd

[merry hollow]

Some cool sounds in there

[charred steppe]

its mostly just

[cerulean pike]

what is this ram consumption brother

[charred steppe]

rawstyle kicks

[cerulean pike]

btw why is it called rawstyle if it's so super processed

[merry hollow]

Kontakt takes up a lot of cpu

[cerulean pike]

I mean technically a raw kick would be like an acoustic kick right

[charred steppe]

😭

rawstyle is basically

a more agressive version of hardstyle

[cerulean pike]

btw I got to play live drums recently and uh I was quite fond of it

[merry hollow]

I mean like no offense, acoustic sounds are nice but I can't for heaven's sake find good acoustic kicks because all of them are barely audible in whatever I put them with

[charred steppe]

oo and a subgenre of rawstyle is

xtra raw

which is even more aggressive

and modern xtra raw kicks are

amazing

[merry hollow]

See

There's a difference between aggressive because it sounds aggressive and aggressive because its actively assaulting your ears

[cerulean pike]

dunno I make music with acoustic drums just fine

[charred steppe]

😭

[cerulean pike]

You can say that my kicks are inaudible though and it would be a fair point

[merry hollow]

Yeah but we make very different kinds of music xd

[charred steppe]

og raw sounds agressive

[cerulean pike]

but

You can still feel the beat

[merry hollow]

I will but I also can't say just boost the volume because I know that's not how you or your tracks work

I'm not gonna ask you to put a dubstep kick on a guitar track aside from the memes xd

[cerulean pike]

😭😭😭 this stuff is so processed that I can't even pin down the transient

[merry hollow]

XD

[cerulean pike]

which is like

the whole point of the kick drum

at least for me

[merry hollow]

Yeah same

[merry hollow]

After transient, length is what matters most imo

[charred steppe]

the first is

og raw

2nd one is like

zaag kicks and xtra raw ish

[merry hollow]

It sounds like something you would put over a sarcastic meme video

[charred steppe]

💔

[cerulean pike]

btw this is like

for a dubstep competition

lmao

[merry hollow]

Not even close lmao

[cerulean pike]

Now I myself don't do dubstep but @winged matrix seems pretty fond of my style so when I offered to help with making tracks for the competition he did not refuse

[merry hollow]

Fair- but again

That is not even close to dubstep

[cerulean pike]

Yeah but it's not a drop

And I'm not doing drops

[merry hollow]

That's- still not even close to dubstep

[cerulean pike]

I'm doing the melodic parts in between the drops

[charred steppe]

also its just

a ringmod

[merry hollow]

I can only imagine this being in a really old orchestral dubstep song and even then theres not nearly enough layers for that

[charred steppe]

on stuff

[cerulean pike]

wait is future bass a subgenre of dubstep?

[merry hollow]

Or a big enough sound

[merry hollow]

No

Trap

Different origins

Future bass comes from a more melodic style of EDM Trap

[cerulean pike]

😭 Ye you caught me in one no shit

[merry hollow]

While dubstep comes from old uk garage stuff

[charred steppe]

futurecore....

[merry hollow]

Lmao

[cerulean pike]

ugh

layers

[merry hollow]

I don't wanna be the typical "dubstep's chords need to be 18 octaves" but like- usually they are 2-3 octaves with many different layers

[merry hollow]

They're used a lot in edm

[charred steppe]

a lot....

😭

[merry hollow]

XD

[charred steppe]

as a

dtm producer

i can agree that

layers are everywhere

sob

bass.. color bass.. leads

even snares

and harder style kicks

omfg

[cerulean pike]

maybe the reason why my music is alternative is that I like edm but I hate layers

[merry hollow]

For example, there would be a supersaw, then a cleaner supersaw, then a square, then a choir, then a guitar, then a mid bass, then a bass, then a sub bass, then a high lead layer, then the leads themselves would have usually 2-4 layers too, and there could possibly be counter melodies with 1-3 layers too

[merry hollow]

@cerulean pike

[cerulean pike]

🤓🤓🤓

[merry hollow]

Like I'm not even joking there are very many layers in edm music

A lot of people exaggerate it but tbh its not even necessary its already a lot

[cerulean pike]

for me like 3 layers of a synth is already a lot

[merry hollow]

It can be- see, it depends on why you're layering and what you're layering

In a lot of my tracks one snare layer is usually enough

[charred steppe]

lead layers

[merry hollow]

But sometimes I'll get up to 5 for certain tracks

[charred steppe]

hardstyle leads can have up to

8

fucking

layers

😭

[merry hollow]

XD

A lot of things matter especially in lead melodies

Because you're thinking of the main body, the high end, the connector between the mids and the lead, the transient, the counter leads

[merry hollow]

I'll say this, even for the orchestral tracks I'm doing rn, I have a lot of layers just because it sounds better

So try it sometimes

I get if you don't like layers but that doesn't mean they're useless

I have one main violin since its the best base sound, then I have a string section to fill out space and add a high end, then a very high end string, then a lower violin serving as a connector, then a cello for those lows, and then the bass because- well, bass

I'm layering that with choirs too

Then the brass hits are accompanied by staccato strings, multiple octaves of horns, choir hits, impacts, and orchestral drums

And then there's multiple different staccato strings playing the ostinato in the background constantly

And then there's also 2 string sections playing the chords, with another choir playing the root of those chords

[merry hollow]

coughs Read all this because f u n n y but true @cerulean pike

[cerulean pike]

Uh

I was mixing a track

[charred steppe]

Read it now or else

I will mix you

[merry hollow]

XD

[charred steppe]

And I will also curse you with an ott on the master

[merry hollow]

Lol

[cerulean pike]

Can't you get the same effect with an EQ?

[charred steppe]

What

No

[merry hollow]

Yeah

Same reply

What

Xd

[charred steppe]

I think

[cerulean pike]

I mixed it

[charred steppe]

You will probably have to cut out some frequencies you don’t need

To like

Not make certain frequencies too harsh

[cerulean pike]

dude's talking about frequency content

So I thought

[charred steppe]

And make room for the bass

And high end a bit

[cerulean pike]

Frequencies are controlled with an EQ

[charred steppe]

Yes

[merry hollow]

If a bass is made for bass then I will use said bass as bass instead of eq-ing a violin to fill the same spectrum

And also

In an orchestral setting, different instruments are panned to different sides

Each of those aforementioned instruments are panned and eq-ed differently

[charred steppe]

Flashbacks to that one reel with fucking

[cerulean pike]

A bass is a separate entity that has NOTHING to do with violin parts or whatever

[charred steppe]

10000 automations

[merry hollow]

Including different reverbs

[charred steppe]

😭😭

I will never forget that day

[merry hollow]

I know that, I'm trying to figure out what you mean by just using an eq for all of that

[merry hollow]

Lmao

[cerulean pike]

then it's not clear to me why you're using layers

[merry hollow]

A violin or even multiple violins won't fill the complete spectrum

[cerulean pike]

yeah

[merry hollow]

So I'm using violins to fill a section of it

[cerulean pike]

yeah

[merry hollow]

Then using other instruments to fill in what is left over

[cerulean pike]

yeah

and when do layers come in?

[charred steppe]

One reason is to make something sound fuller

And better

[merry hollow]

As in?

[cerulean pike]

I do all of that without layering things

[merry hollow]

Yeah and no offense because I know you prefer no layers, but your tracks sound empty to me, by a long margin

Alright here's an example

If I only keep one violin how empty it'll sound

Give me a sec to record

[cerulean pike]

Yeah I think I understand now

I just care more about harmonic and rhythmic information than sonic information I suppose

[charred steppe]

Wait actually layering also applies to vocals too

You can sometimes hear that

Bryce uses a pitched down recording of his voice

Under the main vocals

Since it makes the vocals sound fuller

[merry hollow]

Yeah ofc

Oops

ait

Wait

That's the wrong vid give me a sec xd

[cerulean pike]

that's called tone

no?

[merry hollow]

Bruh I can't record for some reason

You get the point though

Basically

[merry hollow]

What it sounds like with only 1 violin main sound plus a bass, compared to earlier and you'll see. I get if you don't like the layers, but there is a VERY noticeable difference that would create and to me that difference helps a lot with what I'm going for

Anyhow I gtg rn

Cya everyone have a nice day/night!

[cerulean pike]

waiiit it's actually not that hard to layer synths I guess since I could just create a Patcher instrument and inside of it make all the synths that I need...

I've done it with piano before

[merry hollow]

That's what your worried about with synths?-

[merry hollow]

Not the E minor, G minor and B minor disrespect

[charred steppe]

ignore- helping a friend

[kind bridge]

I need sm help for vocals as I greatly wanna be an artist, if sm1's up to kinda give sm advice or stuff like that then tanks

[cerulean pike]

I forgot that literally my latest release used some layers

[merry hollow]

Ooh I see

[cerulean pike]

literally the intro is a synth with percussive hihat layering

😔

[cerulean pike]

So does it sound interesting to you?

😭

[merry hollow]

Wrong person to ask xd, I'm not the type of person to listen to this

[cerulean pike]

No but like did I do a good job at adding layers or not

[merry hollow]

Uhh again, its all dependent on you, its not the kind of layering I would do so I'd say no but that doesn't mean its wrong in any way

We layer a transient, not necessarily a hi hat, in leads and stuff sometimes

We do transient layering a lot but its mostly for when your leads or chords have no impact for example

We sometimes even do transient layering for sub basses lol

[charred steppe]

ignore

[cerulean pike]

Excuse me why is your skreamer after the cabinet in the fx chain 😭😭😭

In real life you can't apply any effects to a guitar sound after it's coming out the speakers already

[merry hollow]

I have no idea what I'm doing @cerulean pike

[charred steppe]

thing

[cerulean pike]

oh wait I forgot to check this out 😭😭😭😭 sorry

[merry hollow]

All good lmao

[cerulean pike]

but uh yeah it's hard to make a simulated guitar sound like a real guitar

[merry hollow]

Yeah agreed

Tbh its like a few days old and I think I already abandoned the idea xd

[cerulean pike]

You need to fiddle with articulation, velocity and rhythm a lot

[merry hollow]

I do plan on making a track with electric guitars later on

But it'll probably be a long while before that happens

[cerulean pike]

Well if it's nothing hard I could probably help

[merry hollow]

I appreciate it! But its meant for a mc boss which I probably won't be making for a while

[cerulean pike]

Hmm I think I like how it sounds

ALSO THE KICK IS AUDIBLE @merry hollow

[merry hollow]

YOOOO Okay wait let me listen

Yay

[cerulean pike]

well until the last part anyway

😔

[merry hollow]

Sigh

Its alright xd

[cerulean pike]

I sidechained the guitars to kick tho so you can still feel the pulse a bit

wait

[merry hollow]

That's nice

[cerulean pike]

you can actually hear it

[merry hollow]

I'm ngl the bass feels more upfront than the melody

[cerulean pike]

:p

[merry hollow]

That's the only constructive criticism I can provide

[cerulean pike]

that's fully intentional

because there's no melody

[merry hollow]

That's fair then

And at 1:23

[cerulean pike]

that high synth is playing a loop

[merry hollow]

Idk if that was intentional too but it feels a bit too off grid

I get making it natural is one of the main points of any digital instrument in general but a decent-good bass player wouldn't be that far off grid

Unless that was intentional too

[cerulean pike]

Well it's technically on grid but it's syncopated

[merry hollow]

I see

[cerulean pike]

so it's like a quarter note off

also it's slap bass :p

[merry hollow]

Don't usually listen to anything with that so idrk what I'm supposed to say to that xd

[cerulean pike]

I mean you can hear the bass punch at 1:23 right

and I think it sounds kinda cool

that's the whole point of the section tbh

[merry hollow]

Fair

[merry hollow]

Makes sense then

I tried making a bassline before but I suck at that xd

[cerulean pike]

Also the solo was improvised

I literally have no idea what notes are in there anymore

[cerulean pike]

It's not that hard bro

[merry hollow]

I mean eh you can just check that by layering a sine wave or something at a high octave then trying to match the note if you really wanted to know

[cerulean pike]

You just take the root note of the chord currently playing and play around

maybe accent some other important notes in the chord

[merry hollow]

Nah I mean I'm not used to using bass guitars, most of my tracks use either an actual bass, like an orchestral one, or an 808 or a sub bass + layers

[merry hollow]

And what about times where I don't have chords xd

[cerulean pike]

You still have some kind of harmony implied

[cerulean pike]

Well the thing with bass guitars is that octave jumps are often used

[merry hollow]

If I take an orchestral track for example I usually have a main lead line with layers, and an ostinato. The closest thing I would have to that are root notes which are played by the bass and cellos, but in those cases I wouldn't be using a bass guitar because yknow- I already go bass

[cerulean pike]

I don't always use bass guitars either but I always compose my basslines even with other bass instruments as if it was a bass guitar

[merry hollow]

They're used here and there with sub basses and 808s too, what I'm saying is I just generally have a hard time making basslines with bass guitars

[merry hollow]

Fair enough

[cerulean pike]

wait what

I actually have another fully mixed unpublished track???

I swear that just keeps happening

😭

[merry hollow]

Nah relatable lmao

Used to happen a lot when I was still releasing

[cerulean pike]

Like I work on a track but then just forget about it for some unknown reason

this

[merry hollow]

I can't believe it, twice in a row where I can hear the kicks

XD

[cerulean pike]

Well that's until the drop

usually

but here at the end the kicks do something interesting

[merry hollow]

Which is

[cerulean pike]

I think I layer and distort them and they sorta break the drop

[merry hollow]

I have no idea what you mean to say by break the drop

[cerulean pike]

well uhh

I have no better way of explaining it you have to hear it

[merry hollow]

I did hear it

Which is why I'm confused

[cerulean pike]

😭

what do you mean

[merry hollow]

What do YOU mean "what do you mean"

Like where'd I lose you xd

[cerulean pike]

What made you so confused

[merry hollow]

I don't get what you're trying to say by "breaking" the drop

[cerulean pike]

Well you know there's the drop and it's playing and it just stops

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-chair-falling-over-gif-27575467

[merry hollow]

Tell me like the exact timestamp xd

[cerulean pike]

2:36

[merry hollow]

Oh I see

[merry hollow]

What would you say is the most horror inducing scale

[cerulean pike]

One that isn't on the list

Like when there are modulations or borrowed chords

so technically the scale uses 8 or even more notes

not the blues one the blues one is chill

[merry hollow]

I mean ofc its gonna borrow notes but I don't wanna be producing with no direction in mind xd

[cerulean pike]

Well one interesting chord progression I discovered is Dm - Gm - C - A

[cerulean pike]

I like Dm but if you want something really gross you could take like C#m

[merry hollow]

Okay then C#m it is xd

[merry hollow]

Does this kinda work

[cerulean pike]

yeah

though maybe I'd add a syncopated octave jump transition into the next chord somewhere

a fill basically

[merry hollow]

Got it

[cerulean pike]

Actually bass is just like drums in that regard
You got the rhythm and you got the fills

[cerulean pike]

I think I actually just learned how to mix in the kick

[merry hollow]

Nice lol

I left the bass thing altogether and I'm now just working on some other orchestral piece xd

[cerulean pike]

That project was actually a test for my new default template

which includes slightly different compression chain and clippers for the main drums

Yes I've learned how to maximize loudness by hard clipping the drums

[merry hollow]

Lol

Fair enough

[rugged iris]

Got this cool idea but im stuck (i should use reference tracks for inspiration but lazyness got the better of me hehe)

[cerulean pike]

develop the guitar part

[rugged iris]

Its a sample

Wish i had a guitar

[cerulean pike]

😭 then just transpose it so the chord changes

[cerulean pike]

This is a piano that I run through a guitar amp and my cabsim

[rugged iris]

Oh... didn't thought of that hehe

[rugged iris]

Noice

[charred steppe]

ignorer

[cerulean pike]

https://tenor.com/view/curious-very-curious-magnifying-glass-looking-peeking-gif-3027926178787907205

[rugged iris]

Here's the expanded idea

[cerulean pike]

see it works just fine

https://klipy.com/gifs/hatsune-miku-miku-hatsune-25

Well maybe the drums could use some expansion as well

If you're using acoustic drums you should add fills in between song parts

[rugged iris]

Lol

[rugged iris]

I recorded them from an app called real drum, and sure I'll see if i can do fills

[charred steppe]

miore ignorer

not having nitro sucks omfg

[cerulean pike]

kinda reminds of the clock ticking sound

maybe you should layer that into it as well

Like here in the verse
https://youtu.be/WXl1ZPk--Zs

[merry hollow]

I need to take this more to the horror side but I think this is decent so far

Not too sure about the chord progression though tbh

[cerulean pike]

😭😭😭 there's only one track why does it take up 7 gigs of RAM and load your CPU by 30 percent

[merry hollow]

Because I put a whole lot of fx plugins xd

And there's like 8 instruments in there

[cerulean pike]

https://tenor.com/view/cillianmurphygun-cillianmurphy-jazmincoded-gif-3811002643797340103

[merry hollow]

There's 2 music boxes, 3 violas, a cello, impacts, and sfx

[cerulean pike]

I learned how to use fruity convolver yesterday

I mean I used it before too but

I learned that I can just consolidate tracks and plug them into convolver to get funni effects

[merry hollow]

Lol

Fair enough

I used to use convolver a lot

Now I just use RAUM for the most part

[cerulean pike]

Also I learned that FM synthesis is a thing

Before this I only knew about additive synthesis

[merry hollow]

I also got the trial for Bx Aura and even though it ran out a while ago I can still use the default preset and that sounds great

[merry hollow]

We use frequency modulation a LOT in sound design

Especially hybrid trap and dubstep