Music Production

[cerulean pike]

like uh

[charred steppe]

i plan to make it partly fast colour bass and partly colour hardstyle btw

[cerulean pike]

like whatever this image represents

[charred steppe]

idk 😭

[merry hollow]

Ooh i see, nice

[charred steppe]

tyty

[cerulean pike]

I made something
Didn't get to volume normalization yet tho so it's quiet af

Oh wait

not as quiet as I thought lmao

[charred steppe]

pretty calm

[merry hollow]

[charred steppe]

😭

Mine is 18gb

[merry hollow]

XD

I'm sitting at over 400 gb total if we count plugins too

[cerulean pike]

Any ideas on how to make the drop here more droppy?

[merry hollow]

Which part is the drop-

Xd

[cerulean pike]

from 1:11

I'm guessing I should add something like a mid piano?

[merry hollow]

Not enough layers, and try to maybe add a slight high pass filter rising before the drop hits

[charred steppe]

i need this rq

[cerulean pike]

ngl I like how this sounds very much

Also bro it's over 2 minutes already and I'm only done with the first chorus 😭😭😭

Quite literally me when I'm listening to it

[cerulean pike]

Well I think I'm done with the instrumental part
At least for now lol

[charred steppe]

oo nice

i made this thingy

ill try making some colored basses myself 😭

[charred steppe]

oo right @merry hollow

[cerulean pike]

oo nice snare rolls

[charred steppe]

its just the kicks in a silly chopped up way

but they add a lot to the snare

[merry hollow]

Nice

[charred steppe]

tyt

y

do you have any feedback perhaps

other than the kicks being too loud

[merry hollow]

Umm- I have no clue unfortunately xd

[charred steppe]

aa fair

[charred steppe]

update

[cerulean pike]

😭😭😭 90 mb

[merry hollow]

Lol

[charred steppe]

Le current progress

[charred steppe]

@sudden moth :p

[charred steppe]

Average wav file size

[sudden moth]

Hell yehahh

[charred steppe]

Im learning a lot of new stuff

Im in love with the drum pattern

[sudden moth]

I love it too

[cerulean pike]

I don't understand why you'd render essentially a demo in .wav

I don't even render finished tracks in .wav

[charred steppe]

Me neither 😭 probably to see how it would sound on the final thingy

[merry hollow]

Because you'd want to hear about any issues no matter how small they are, its odd but sometimes you don't hear the same mistakes while playing it in the daw just because you're more focused on what's going via vision and audio both

[charred steppe]

I render my final tracks in wav since to distribute it you’d have to have it in wav or flac

[merry hollow]

Whereas while playing a good quality file you'd only try to check via audio

[charred steppe]

Yeahh pretty much

[cerulean pike]

It'd get compressed to 320 kbps .mp3 during distribution at best

[merry hollow]

Not really, most music apps like Spotify and what not only change the volume to better match if that's what you're talking about

There's a reason WAV files still exist

[charred steppe]

Also doesn’t mp3 have that weird cut at the start of the audio

[cerulean pike]

If that was the case it'd take ages to load every single track

They compress it to something far more lightweight

especially streaming services

[merry hollow]

And even then good quality formats have been made that require less storage, I know flac is one, there are a few more

[merry hollow]

That too

[merry hollow]

They do compress it but it doesn't undergo much of a quality change

Because they know they require good quality music too

People would notice if it was too low quality

[merry hollow]

If you already export it in low quality its just gonna get worsened atp

[cerulean pike]

It's literally compressed to 96 kbps .ogg

[merry hollow]

Ooh Vorbis, that was the one I remembered

[cerulean pike]

[merry hollow]

Like I said, if you already exported it in low quality that would just make it worse

[cerulean pike]

You have to actually train your ears to hear the difference y'know

[merry hollow]

I said too low quality

I'm not noticing every single detail lmao dw

[cerulean pike]

I know that's why I export finished projects in .flac

[merry hollow]

I'm not a musically developed alien

[cerulean pike]

still not wave files

[merry hollow]

Yeah so same thing with Wav really

[cerulean pike]

My distributor doesn't accept .wav, Telegram doesn't accept .wav, it's only used within DAWs really

[merry hollow]

Odd, most things I've messed around with don't accept flac or ogg which is why I stopped using them

That was like 2 years ago though so

[cerulean pike]

I guess flac is still relatively obscure

but I like it a lot

[merry hollow]

Yeah that's fair, so why are you bugging us for using wav xd

[cerulean pike]

Because you'd render your demo in .flac 10 times and it already takes up one gig of your hard drive

You do you I suppose but I can't really see any advantages of .wav over .flac

[merry hollow]

And why would you not just replace the demo instead

[cerulean pike]

What if you have 10 different projects?

Also replacing demos yeah couldn't be me

[merry hollow]

Then you only keep the final file

Tbh I wanna make something but idk what I want to make

[cerulean pike]

Make what you feel like making I dunno

Do maybe want to make a song in the style of a certain artist?

[merry hollow]

Not really, idk

Just kinda wanna open FL and make something I like but I listen to too much stuff so idk what xd

[cerulean pike]

Oh you know what you should do

Get a habit of listening to music offline

[merry hollow]

I do that already lol

[cerulean pike]

This way you'll have to go smart about downloading things and decide which music you actually want more

[merry hollow]

I have like 30 gigabytes worth of everything

Xd

Trap, Bass House, Hardwave, Nerdcore

So much lol

[cerulean pike]

Yeah figured you'd like nerdcore xd

Also have you considered rock?

https://youtu.be/OdoYRMkuvLM?list=RDOdoYRMkuvLM

Or whatever genre this thing is

[merry hollow]

Lmao why

[merry hollow]

Not my sort of thing except for a select few songs

[cerulean pike]

you literally have a "nerd" tag

[merry hollow]

Right- forgot I had that xd

[cerulean pike]

@merry hollow SEE THIS IS HOW YOUR CPU AND RAM LOAD SHOULD LOOK

[merry hollow]

Yeah but they don't

This is how it looks on a brand new project where I've only loaded like a total of 5 plugins

[cerulean pike]

Yeah that's what I'm talking about

Even your project preset is too heavy

I mean, the only thing I have in my preset is drums, everything else I add as I go (I don't even bother adding a limiter to the master track for the preset lol)

[merry hollow]

The only things I have is a soft clipper, a maximus, and 3 eqs

I don't even have sounds loaded

[cerulean pike]

then what's taking up a gig and a half of your ram?

[merry hollow]

No clue

[cerulean pike]

Hm

I know this might sound dumb but the first thing that comes to my mind is your FL studio theme somehow

[merry hollow]

I removed maximus and now its this for some reason

Xd

Idk whats up with my maximus but I guess I just won't use it?

[cerulean pike]

oh

LOL

💀💀💀

[merry hollow]

Nah nothing sounds dumb when you're talking to me except for me lol

[cerulean pike]

Maybe you had oversampling or something?

[merry hollow]

I don't think so? Its just the default preset

Unless I accidentally changed the default preset to be something else-

[cerulean pike]

I mean I have this by default on my master track

And it's uhh

yeah

[merry hollow]

Hmm I see

Welp whatever, its fine now ig xd

[cerulean pike]

I guess I should create DOMPE at this point
Department Of Music Production Efficiency

[merry hollow]

Lmao

No make Hybrid Trap first

Xd

[cerulean pike]

😭😭😭

Maybe one day when I'll run out of ideas

And my PC will be able to handle that kind of load

[merry hollow]

Lol

[cerulean pike]

I mean Ryzen 3600 isn't exactly a powerful CPU nowadays

[merry hollow]

You're gonna need like 10 tracks just for the drums

XD

[cerulean pike]

Bro I use FPC

[merry hollow]

Oh lol right

[cerulean pike]

Really convenient thing btw can recommend

[merry hollow]

I prefer making my drums in the playlist itself

Unless I'm making something like drill

[cerulean pike]

Bro i don't even know what all of these hiphop-ish genres mean

Oh I got a new vocal lesson of the course time to watch it

[merry hollow]

Basically Drill has a distinct base hat pattern and the snares are usually on the 3 and the 8 instead of the 3 and the 7

[merry hollow]

Lol I see

Enjoy

[cerulean pike]

ty ty

btw I was considering signing up for FHU but man I'm broke

I don't have any constant income at all

And with current conversion rates 47$ is a lot

[merry hollow]

Fair enough lol

Yeah I understand

[cerulean pike]

and tbh I didn't hear that much of an improvement with DriVN before/after

[merry hollow]

I see

[cerulean pike]

alright now for the fun part

cutting vocals

I don't really like singing but there's no one to do it for me I guess

[cerulean pike]

but well this time it wasn't that hard actually

[cerulean pike]

@merry hollow @charred steppe thoughts?

[merry hollow]

I don't exactly know what its supposed to be like

[cerulean pike]

wdym

[merry hollow]

There's usually like a pattern or certain feel I can associate with any song I hear

I really can't tell anything about something I don't know

[cerulean pike]

I wrote the lyrics myself if that's what you're implying

[merry hollow]

No xd

Its hard to explain sorry

I'm just trying to find what its supposed to sound like but that might be because its still a wip

[cerulean pike]

I took inspiration from Neffex (mostly Cold) and tried to give it space vibes so it'd fit in my future album

[cerulean pike]

Tbh I'm not even sure if it's a wip at this point

I don't know what to add or change except actually writing the ending solo

[merry hollow]

I see

Well good luck on it! Hoping you like the outcome :D

[cerulean pike]

I'm asking if you like it

Or rather if you explicitly don't like it or think it's cringe or something

If you don't have any negative feedback that's nice

[merry hollow]

I mean its nice

I'm not gonna be fake and just say "Brilliant!" to every hi hat I hear

Just said what I was thinking and poorly explained it

Xd

[cerulean pike]

Fair enough, I'm not a music genius

[merry hollow]

Even to most NEFFEX songs I just say what I think xd

[cerulean pike]

Could you maybe give it a 1-10 rating or something like that?

[merry hollow]

I don't like all of them because he talks about "change" and uses the same vocal pattern for the 82nd time

[cerulean pike]

I mean when you've only got 1 week to make a song you don't exactly have time to think of something new and elaborate

[merry hollow]

I'd say 6/10. The vocals seem a bit out of place as in they exist over the track and that's it, I think it would have to have more sfx for it to work with a track like that

Does that make sense

[cerulean pike]

Yeah I think

I might also rewrite the instrumental a bit to make it slightly sadder so it fits the vibe

[merry hollow]

You don't, but when the Song a Week thing has ended why are you still using the same thing over and over xd

[cerulean pike]

expecially the second verse

[merry hollow]

That's like me making every single song in E minor because I like the key, everything just sounds the same

[merry hollow]

Yeah that's fair

[cerulean pike]

New Beginnings was a fire album tho

[merry hollow]

I like- 2 tracks out of it xd

[cerulean pike]

I think the vocal recordings themselves are okay tho

well maybe apart from the moment when the first chorus hits

gotta tune it a little bit

[merry hollow]

Yep understandable

[charred steppe]

@merry hollow @cerulean pike bass music

the mix & mastering will be a pain

-2 lufs 😭

[merry hollow]

Color bass music*

[charred steppe]

pretty much

[cerulean pike]

Congratulations

you've made a speaker disintegrator

[charred steppe]

lets test it out on my monitor

works fine

i gues

[charred steppe]

do you have any feedback perhaps 😭

[merry hollow]

Unfortunately no

[cerulean pike]

Feels a bit harmonically bland

[charred steppe]

please elaborate 😭

[merry hollow]

Try adding pitch bends maybe

[cerulean pike]

There's no music in ur music

[merry hollow]

Lmao

[cerulean pike]

I can't hear any notes

💀💀💀

[merry hollow]

Now I've only heard one color bass track ever and I know there can be audible notes so Dami you better get back to work

[charred steppe]

😭

fair

[cerulean pike]

So it's not just me going tone deaf???

[merry hollow]

No dw lol

Listen to Katana by SPORTMODE

You'll hear

M u s i c

In color bass

[charred steppe]

i ran out of space

[merry hollow]

[charred steppe]

wait why do i need 2 compressors

[merry hollow]

Route it into another track

[merry hollow]

Because you're Dami

[charred steppe]

fair

[cerulean pike]

I always use 2 compressors on vocals

[charred steppe]

fair

[charred steppe]

what else can i put on the thingies to kind of make them sound different

[merry hollow]

Disperser, or pitch shifter on a low setting

[charred steppe]

I don’t have disperser

Aa

[merry hollow]

There's a patcher preset I believe

[charred steppe]

Owh that’s crazy

[cerulean pike]

Phaser 😈😈😈

[charred steppe]

😭

[cerulean pike]

Dunno I never really apply any effects to make something sound different (except for aimplifiers and cabsims lol)

All I do is just use a different instrument

[merry hollow]

And what if the sound you want doesn't exist with sfx

[cerulean pike]

Err

I simply don't want sounds I don't know how to get

[merry hollow]

Lol

[merry hollow]

This is only the intro

Any specific thing I should add aside from background sfx?

[cerulean pike]

more bass

Maybe some pluck synth?

[merry hollow]

Its chiptune so- the main bass is supposed to just be t r i a n g l e

I'll saturate it or increase the volume ig

[cerulean pike]

add more orders of unison then

[merry hollow]

Tried, didn't sound as good

[merry hollow]

Hmm I'm trying to see what else I can try to make

[cerulean pike]

I got my monthly credits on labelradar

Guess I gotta write a track to upload there once again

But I'm still not sure what vibe or idea I'm going for

@charred steppe @merry hollow do y'all think I should make something dance, more sentimental or weird this time?
No, I will NOT make hybrid trap, don't even try Lazer

[merry hollow]

Make Hybrid Trap

[cerulean pike]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-punch-markiplier-punch-attack-fight-gif-23206537

[merry hollow]

Lmao

But yeah no jokes aside

Wdym

Anything could be dance

People dance to Drumstep for all I know

So

Xd

[cerulean pike]

Yeah but like

My sort of dance

that's with synths and four on the floor and stuff

[merry hollow]

So again thats like- idk how many genres lmao

Electronic House? A million other types of house? Melodic Riddim?

Xd

[charred steppe]

hardtsyle :3

[cerulean pike]

Genres don't exist

they are a conspiracy

fr tho when I say my sort of dance I mean the stuff I do usually

[cerulean pike]

😭😭😭

I don't listen to hardstyle I don't know how it sounds

Or how it's done

[merry hollow]

Its 150 bpm four on the floor where even the kicks can sound like they're a bass, synth, kick, 808, and a pizza at the same time

[charred steppe]

or color hardstyle

[merry hollow]

You would have an easier time listening to machine gun fire

[cerulean pike]

And also the loudness is +2.13 LUFS?

[merry hollow]

@cerulean pikeThis is a kick

In that genre

[charred steppe]

it doesnt have bass

[charred steppe]

color hardstyle

[merry hollow]

So this is half a kick

Xd

[cerulean pike]

[charred steppe]

you also have this

and this

[cerulean pike]

I hate it already

[charred steppe]

and this is gold

[cerulean pike]

😭😭😭

[merry hollow]

IKR

[cerulean pike]

...

[merry hollow]

Yeah but jokes aside

Uhh

Try going for something House ig

Progressive or Electronic House perhaps

[cerulean pike]

I don't know how house sounds

I don't even believe that it's a real genre at this point

[charred steppe]

its pretty basic

128-140 bpm

basic house drums

and emotional melodies

[cerulean pike]

I guess I could hop into a vc and try to cook something

if y'all help me out it might actually even be house or whatever you want

[merry hollow]

Lmao, i'll quickly make a drum beat to explain

[cerulean pike]

btw I found an app/plugin that apparently simplifies collaboration

It's called Muse and apparently it allows to share your screen, remotely access it and remotely record something even from another person's track in a different DAW into your track in your DAW through the plugin

[merry hollow]

Ooh

I see

[cerulean pike]

I'm not sure if I'll get in trouble for sending the link to the website since it might be seen as advertisement and stuff

[merry hollow]

No mixing or anything done, usually the open hats have more swing and ofc this isn't the best sound selection either, just did something real quick @cerulean pike

[cerulean pike]

so it's just 4 on the floor with offbeat open hats?

[merry hollow]

Pretty much yeah, add variation, fills, go wild xd

In some genres they don't even use claps

[cerulean pike]

didn't I just do this

[cerulean pike]

in the second part of the verse here?

[charred steppe]

colour 200step

[merry hollow]

Electronic House specifically, I've heard a few tracks where there was no normal claps

[cerulean pike]

Ooh I have an idea what I could use instead of open hats

[merry hollow]

When exactly

[merry hollow]

Shakers?

[cerulean pike]

no

there's this one trick that Van Halen did and I kinda liked it

@merry hollow

[merry hollow]

The main point of the open hats is to add swing and speed-

:/

[cerulean pike]

ngl I kinda hate this rhythm

I mean @merry hollow it sucks

[merry hollow]

Where did you find the sounds lol

[cerulean pike]

Literally a shoegaze sound kit

the claps are stock FL tho

[merry hollow]

Try finding a free sample pack from idk Kling or Stickz

Or any house drums sample pack tbh

[cerulean pike]

It's not that I hade my rendition of it

I jsut don't like the rhythm itself

I guess I can understand why I've never listened to house now

[merry hollow]

If you still want to make "dance" music then maybe go for Midtempo, its the same rhythm but at around 100 bpm

Makes it feel different

Or just go for something reggae idk

[cerulean pike]

I'm too lazy to record guitar

But I guess if I wanna sell my song to a label I have to write something that's popular

[charred steppe]

Isn’t midtempo heavy dubstep

Like the very heavy kind

[merry hollow]

Doesn't have to be

[cerulean pike]

wtf is this aircraft control panel huh

[merry hollow]

Harmor is goated

[cerulean pike]

Never used it

I'm a harmless guy

or well used to be ig

[merry hollow]

Lol

[cerulean pike]

err @merry hollow you sound like you know your way around this plugin

How do I increase the number of voices?

cuz when I try to make it play several notes simultaneously it does a slide instead

oh I found it

[merry hollow]

Xd

[charred steppe]

crazy

[cerulean pike]

not as crazy as your fl studio tho

😭😭

[charred steppe]

Tfym

It’s normal

I even got compliments for it

[cerulean pike]

Whatever's going on top of the screen I've never seen any other people have that

[charred steppe]

Mini meters

A lot of people use it

Especially edm producers

Not a must but nice to have

Especially in mixing

[cerulean pike]

Gentlemen, is anyone here in the FHU?

[charred steppe]

I did the 2 week trial

Honestly wouldn’t recommend it from my experience

I only got compliments for my work (which is a good thing) but I never received any feedback even when I posted a wip in the feedback thing

[cerulean pike]

I see I see

[cerulean pike]

You don't want to know what's going on here 😭😭😭

[cerulean pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/313329424147808256/1386159979228299294/AQMKoqrZQf3jtroUgEduwzSBprfNe2hTFlxhBFXodPkB3GByBw0h_aZv5RAlXm8D8a29c5hdVeJck5Smt963NuXk.mp4?ex=6858b194&is=68576014&hm=2640f828434149aa4c1546d79f52e2e5187b49f42601c27ec57d2e48925610fd&

[charred steppe]

I saw this so much

Wtff

Hardcore

[cerulean pike]

hold on lemme render

I made something

welp it's gonna take a while

yeah here

[charred steppe]

I’ll listen to it later one sec

[merry hollow]

Tbh not really music production I just needed to edit an audio of a vid so I'm doing it in fl and uhh- here- XD

[cerulean pike]

"Ranking every single ninjago villain" 😭😭😭

[merry hollow]

What XD

Anyhow I'm thinking of making something future bass

What do y'all think

[cerulean pike]

I do not know what future bass sounds like

but go for it ig

[merry hollow]

Also any idea what key I should make it in cuz I'm kinda bored

I keep making everything in just D-F#

[cerulean pike]

G#

[merry hollow]

Rip the bass but alr xd

[cerulean pike]

can you maybe make some fancy scale like blues?

or ig that wouldn't fit

[merry hollow]

Most likely wouldn't-

[merry hollow]

It started off as future bass and then I did this xd

[rugged iris]

the laptop's back so here's a rough demo of the song.
increase the bpm from 84 to 87.

tell me what to improve.

[cerulean pike]

Make the verse parts slightly louder/compress them

[cerulean pike]

My attempt at orchestral-ish music

[rugged iris]

i think the beninging is darker than the drop and for a track named fun times. lol

[rugged iris]

you have a midi keyboard?

[cerulean pike]

nope

I manually adjusted every note's timing and velocity

[cerulean pike]

Well the track naming without context can be quite ambigious either way

[rugged iris]

I have this concept here.
It's DnB.
what do you think?

[cerulean pike]

I think I'd add some little tom fills and the end of each four bars and then a crash right at the start, if it's applicable (you can make it very subtle too)
And probably spice up the harmony with maybe another piano that would extend the chords to 9ths and 11ths from time to time, or just have a melody in the upper range in general

Cuz at the moment it sounds a little bland

Oh and maybe make the bass more dynamic?

also I made this little arrangement
Continuing to experiment with stuff

@merry hollow get yo ass back here

[merry hollow]

Yeah?

[merry hollow]

The pluck in the intro, print it and reverse fade it into the first pluck, plus a good old reese bass would work well in the intro too, some ambience and one shots

Whooshes too

[cerulean pike]

bro can you speak a language I actually understand?

💀💀💀

[rugged iris]

tnx, i'll see what i can do.

[rugged iris]

what i think needs improving:
-the melody needs to be more in key.
-less wiggly bass
-this is obvious, the piano needs a realistic touch, lol. tweak the note placement and the velocity.

[rugged iris]

i agree

[merry hollow]

Wdymmmm XD

[merry hollow]

Tbh I think I want to stream making a song

[cerulean pike]

good idea

[merry hollow]

Only thing is- I'm still wondering what exactly to make xd

[cerulean pike]

errr
I did all of that on purpose, actually

[cerulean pike]

I blended distorted guitar with V8 engine sound

[merry hollow]

Doom synths be like:

[merry hollow]

Still needs a lot of work but I'm actually making something here :D

[merry hollow]

Nvm I'm probably gonna end up scrapping it I don't like it anymore xd

[rugged iris]

You do what you think is best

[cerulean pike]

😭😭😭

[merry hollow]

What xd

I didn't really like it that much

[cerulean pike]

Yeah fair enough

I simply don't like the harmony for some reason

Okay peeps I wanna hear your opinion on one thing

I err have 2 ready vocal songs but I still can't decide how I should market and upload them for the most engagement

There's also an issue with my distributor (it takes me over two weeks to distribute my tracks to all the streaming services)

[merry hollow]

I'm remaking it all, though I'm keeping the drums because I like them, might add a few more percs though

[cerulean pike]

So I can't decide whether I want to upload them to youtube now (but they won't be available on streaming services) and whether I want to make a simple vizualiser, a static cover or some sort of music video for those

[merry hollow]

Hmm- do you know of any smaller labels?

[cerulean pike]

Nope

[merry hollow]

I mean a visualizer or a lyric vid would work well. Static cover ain't bad but I don't think it provides much purpose

[cerulean pike]

Also I don't think any labels would be interested because let's be honest I still can't make vocal bangers

And I just don't want to work with labels

[cerulean pike]

Lyric video is too much work I think

I've never done these before

[merry hollow]

Fair enough

[merry hollow]

Understandable, a visualizer is more than enough then

[cerulean pike]

But I guess I could try for a change of pace

[merry hollow]

Man I always have so much trouble mixing this flute xd I can never get it right

[merry hollow]

Up to you then, imo both work well

[cerulean pike]

Also on the marketing

Do I even need any pre-marketing if it's only gonna go live on youtube basically?

[merry hollow]

I have- no clue sorry

[cerulean pike]

🥀

[cerulean pike]

😭😭😭 man the extra work

[merry hollow]

Time to spend 8 hours on mixing one sound xd

[cerulean pike]

Oh I see lmao good luck with that

I guess I'll try making a lyric video but the only software I even remotely am familiar with is blender so gotta think of a way to start with that

[merry hollow]

Good luck with that then!

[merry hollow]

This is my like 10th attempt on this sound xd

[cerulean pike]

you know how I mix my sounds

Just pull the eq until it's remotely intelligible and that's it lol

[merry hollow]

Yeah not gonna cut it lol, I have stuff in mind but it only works if I can actually make it sound like what I want xd

[cerulean pike]

vocode it

💀💀💀💀

[merry hollow]

Its a flute for crying out loud xd

[cerulean pike]

morph it to a chainsaw and get the doom flute xd

[merry hollow]

Sigh

[cerulean pike]

bro I just got an absolutely insane idea

Make the lyric animations hand-drawn

so it'd be a 2d-3d animation hybrid

[merry hollow]

Ooh interesting

[merry hollow]

I'm liking this version much better @cerulean pike

Don't mind the mix xd

And the flute needs work and layering yes but I think it sounds decent so far, this is the b part of the drop btw, its gonna be the response

[cerulean pike]

ah I see

Well it's not like I could give any useful feedback since I don't know how it's supposed to sound like

[merry hollow]

All good lol

I just meant to say that I like it much more than that melodic version xd

[cerulean pike]

😭 I didn't hear anything melodic there man

[merry hollow]

The previous one that I sent- xd

It was just a beta version but there was a lot more tonality

[cerulean pike]

I know what I said

[cerulean pike]

You should add more variety to the response then

[merry hollow]

I will later on. The song will have 2 drops with 2 calls and 2 responses. For the 2nd response of the 1st drop I'll make slight variations, and for the 1st response of the 2nd drop I'll add reese fills and for the 2nd response of the 2nd drop I'll make a longer snare fill while low passing in the instruments

[merry hollow]

Well that's the melodic I'm used to xd, anything more melodic than that and its no longer bass house that I like

[cerulean pike]

alright time to play doom 2016 in full Japanese

[merry hollow]

@cerulean pike Imagine using fresh air on a snare

Odd, it shows the wrong start date

[cerulean pike]

the only thing preventing me from calling this blasphemy right now is the fact that I'm atheistic

Oh and also because I morphed a guitar to white noise

[merry hollow]

I use white noise to make tonal layers xd

[merry hollow]

I have fresh air on like 4 different things, including a riser

[cerulean pike]

I guess it's helpful if you want something to stand out more but if all of these things play at the same time it's pointless

[rugged iris]

I was screwing around in Flstudio, then i found myself making an atmospheric remix of Learning To Let Go.

I'll show you when i get home safe.

[merry hollow]

Not really, I used it on vocals, a bass layer, and a stab + ofc this snare roll xd

[cerulean pike]

either it takes you over 20 hours to get home or someone's got a lousy memory

[rugged iris]

Oh... ooooooh... Sorry
Yeah i think i am developing alzeheimer at young age.

[cerulean pike]

It's natural to have something in your life of higher priority than a random discord channel so can't really blame you for forgetting lol

Though I've noticed than when I started learning Japanese my memory improved considerably

[rugged iris]

Fr?

Hhehehzhe

[cerulean pike]

Yea

[rugged iris]

Okay I'll start learning Japanese

[cerulean pike]

It's a rabbit hole tho

I mean

I spent one year already and I steel feel like I don't know shit

[rugged iris]

Yeah i know the feeling.
I myself ain't a native English speaker.
It's my second language

[cerulean pike]

I spent more than 8 years learning English at this point

Got pretty proficient at it as you can see

Even though I was severely lacking brain cells until the last couple years lol

[rugged iris]

i think it took me more than 8 yrs.

[rugged iris]

Yeah i see that

Lol

[cerulean pike]

Well 8 years is exactly half of my life

[rugged iris]

You're 16?💀

[cerulean pike]

yeah

You didn't know?

I thought I mentioned it a lot

[rugged iris]

No

[rugged iris]

I don't think i was here when that happened

Anyways, I'll show you the remix concept after i finish eating 🍳

[cerulean pike]

oh uhm

[rugged iris]

I promise i won't forget

[cerulean pike]

bon appetit

I almost forgot what they say in English when someone's eating 💀

[rugged iris]

Huh?

[cerulean pike]

In different languages the expressions for such things are different

meaning they don't translate into the same thing in the other language literally

[rugged iris]

I actually don't knoW too.

[cerulean pike]

For example, when someone sneezes in English you say "bless you" while in Russian you say "будь здоров" which literally translates to "be healthy"

[rugged iris]

Yes i know

[cerulean pike]

eh??? I thought bon appetit was it

although it's in French

[rugged iris]

So what's the translation?

To english i mean

[cerulean pike]

Oh it is a term in English too apparently

[rugged iris]

Ok then, mystery solved hehehhehehehe

[rugged iris]

Oh shit, i forgot again kekw

[rugged iris]

here it is, it's nothing special.
it needs a melody and a lot of shit

[merry hollow]

My finalized mastering chain preset xd

Violet what are you doing here

XD

[eager bluff]

Idk XD

I'm bored and the server is dead

[merry hollow]

Fair enough XD

[cerulean pike]

"Car Test" ahh mf

[merry hollow]

Lmao its more so just to test stuff out, which is why it'll be disabled by default

[cerulean pike]

also why tf is maximus not at the end of the chain

[merry hollow]

It practically is

The Fruity Filter and Stereo Enhancer are only there for automations

[cerulean pike]

My mastering chain is this

[merry hollow]

Car test is for y'know- testing xd

And then tonal balance control is just visual

[merry hollow]

Sigh

[cerulean pike]

ohh okay then

[cerulean pike]

what

[merry hollow]

Only the soft clipper is after it

[merry hollow]

Nothing lol

I'm trying to think of what to make

I have a few ideas but idk which one to go for first

[cerulean pike]

You don't really need anything more than that

[cerulean pike]

pick on random

[merry hollow]

Alright ig, I'll start rn

[merry hollow]

At least an eq man like come on xd

[cerulean pike]

Pro Q is an eq

L is the limiter

also dunno i don't use eq on master much cuz I can't hear shit either way

[merry hollow]

I see

[merry hollow]

Xd

[rugged iris]

i think i like this one.
What do you guys think?

[eager bluff]

It's amazing! Keep it up <3

[merry hollow]

Since I'm not getting any actual ideas I'm just gonna make a default template for myself that's actually a bit more organized xd

[cerulean pike]

there's no better template than an empty one

[merry hollow]

Fair enough ig, I just can't do much when half my time is spent routing stuff into channels and then those channels into something else and blah blah blah xd

[cerulean pike]

you can do the fine tuning later

[cerulean pike]

misses some drum fills and melody variety imo but overall pretty good

[merry hollow]

Never want to

I don't really like it when something just "exists" there

If I'm not making what I like then there's not really much of a point

[merry hollow]

Oh and

[cerulean pike]

I made something but it definitely doesn't sound right duh

And not just because I can't play the guitar in time

[merry hollow]

I'd suggest turning the distortion down a bit, and using a different bass

[rugged iris]

that's exactly what i am doing

[rugged iris]

i'll keep that in mind.

[rugged iris]

guitar is probably out of tune.

[cerulean pike]

maybe
apparently autotune didn't help
and yeah that's just how lazy I am when it comes to having to change strings

[rugged iris]

Lmao

[merry hollow]

Sigh xd

[merry hollow]

Nice lol, I think mine is decent now

And tbh I already got a few ideas for songs because of it

So its a win for me

Xd

[rugged iris]

Yeah i know, it's more organized that way and saves you the headache of doing buses and other complicated stuff over and over again.

[merry hollow]

Exactly!

Whenever I start a song I spent half the time just routing stuff into different channels

Creating basic automations

And doing the same things over and over again

[merry hollow]

Hmm

I have a few ideas but they go in between the same theme, now idk which genre exactly to make it

[merry hollow]

Idk whether to do Bass House or Trap

[velvet notch]

Do electronic classical

[merry hollow]

No xd

[velvet notch]

Damnit

[merry hollow]

Also welcome back lol

[velvet notch]

Lol yeah

Healing takes time

But hey at least I heal faster than most people

For better or worse Idk

[merry hollow]

Understandable

[cerulean pike]

I'm trying to figure out how to poison-pill my music for AI

[cerulean pike]

Ohh man I found the sweet spot for drum compression

[merry hollow]

Soon I will have an army of custom presets xd

[merry hollow]

Hmm

I feel like B Phrygian doesn't have the best bass but the key sounds really nice xd

[cerulean pike]

Will you ever be using all of them tho?

[merry hollow]

Yeah, I already use them a lot

I just make slight adjustments and sometimes process them differently so it isn't always just the same exact sound

I'd get bored if I used the Reese - Trench every time I made Bass House xd

[merry hollow]

This is the template I made btw

[unborn ravine]

oh hi this exists

new beat, removed hook/fast part cuz both ass

[rugged iris]

yeah i agree lol

the mixing was also shit

[unborn ravine]

they tossed the bread so hard with the mix

[rugged iris]

well, it happens.

i remember those cinematic type beat were also shit (not all of 'em)

[unborn ravine]

lmao like brave?

yeah those were bad

those also suffer from bad mixing

[rugged iris]

yeah brave, couragous, this is our calling, honor, villains and heros, take it, the plague, seeing all red, tough times, conviction and undefeated.
i hated all of these.

[unborn ravine]

i like some of the ones you named

but they dont sound good still

the king is dead too i dont like

[rugged iris]

yeah some of them have cool verse or hooks but other the parts can be awful

[rugged iris]

I like the drop it's cool

[unborn ravine]

eh

its like whatever

[merry hollow]

Ay the plague and seeing all red were good xd

[edgy wharf]

fire beat, but the 5AM vocals are definitely not for this beat 😭 🙏

[rugged iris]

They just did click for me.
But like i said they have good parts and bad parts.
Like "Made For This".
It has a great cinematic trailer type feel in the beginning but the buildup and the drop feel off.
I didn't like cinematic + EDM.
It can work but not how he did it.
[I feel like he's gonna come in here and tell me to do a better job. Lmao.]

[merry hollow]

Lmao

Yeah fair enough, I haven't even heard Made For This more than once lmao

Cinematic plus EDM rarely works

There's only a few songs I know

And most of them are supposed to be shorter, no vocals, more like cinematic trailer soundtracks if that makes sense

[rugged iris]

Yeah i know.
Also i didn't like the lyric of some those songs
Some of them give cyberpunk vibes like seeing all red.t

[merry hollow]

Lol

Okay now that I think about it tbh Seeing All Red is decent

I mainly like the second verse

Hmm

I need a good free bass guitar plugin

Time to get searching

Or actually- I probably have a one shot or something, that could work too

[unborn ravine]

monster bass

labs has a bunch of presets

flex has like 2 bass sounds, theyre pretty mid tho

js get monster bass or labs

[merry hollow]

Which do you think has better quality? And, is Modo bass better than any of these?

[unborn ravine]

idk bout modoo never heard

but i know labs is based off of real instruments

if you want a realistic sound thats probably the closest youll get

it also has like every other instrument so its pretty good value (i mean its free so its always good value)

[merry hollow]

It works well enough so I'm just gonna use it

[merry hollow]

Now to find a way to make half decent electric guitars for free

[merry hollow]

Getting a few ideas

And yes, mixing needs work, I'll deal with that later

[rugged iris]

Me too

[rugged iris]

I also have only one shots hehehehzhhz

[rugged iris]

Noice

[merry hollow]

Lol, they're useful for some things but its mostly background elements or layering

[merry hollow]

Thank you, scrapped it already though xd

I can get a bunch of little ideas but never complete ones, and they never work together either

[merry hollow]

I'm just trying to make this one sound perfect

Lmao

[merry hollow]

Ow- too much distortion, I just tore my eardrums again xd

The effects chain:

[merry hollow]

Does it need more layers @cerulean pike

[cerulean pike]

can't load the video

oh wait

[merry hollow]

Rip

[cerulean pike]

loaded

[merry hollow]

Lol

I think the harmonic bass needs to be turned down a bit

But other than that, any suggestions?

[cerulean pike]

😭 Why are you asking me of all people

You know how minimalistic my sound is

[merry hollow]

Because you're like the only one here that I know xd

[cerulean pike]

I don't like the sound that's on top

The uhh

the main bass shot

[merry hollow]

There's 2 layers

Give me a second

Are you kidding me

Game bar services just went down xd

There @cerulean pike

[cerulean pike]

It just does not mix well

[merry hollow]

I lowered it an octave

[cerulean pike]

sounds better now

[merry hollow]

Alright then

Thank you

[cerulean pike]

passable at least

[merry hollow]

Wdym lmao

[rugged iris]

I know, it happens to me too.
I had many ideas for remixes but it either don't work or the vocals don't come out right when put them in a vocal remover

[merry hollow]

Ikr lol

I'm still looking for decent vocals to use

And I have an idea for a Bass House track that just might work

So I'm gonna do it in a bit

Though its gonna be in G Phrygian, a key I've never worked with so let's see

[rugged iris]

I tried fixing Take it and Beast.
The verses came out okay but the buildup and the drop vocals keep coming incomplete.

[rugged iris]

What's G Phygian???

[merry hollow]

Rip, I get that

Maybe layer them with a bass following the notes?

[merry hollow]

Its a scale

[cerulean pike]

err I did a thing

[merry hollow]

Gonna try out this mastering chain base for my next track

[merry hollow]

I feel like its too muddy to make out what's happening well after the 30 second mark

[cerulean pike]

🤓 it's not "muddy" it's elaborate

[merry hollow]

Well can you "elaborate" what's going on xd

[cerulean pike]

um yeah

there's a bassline, tremolo harmony and the mid synth which got low mid and high parts respectively

[merry hollow]

Sigh I didn't mean literally

[rugged iris]

Nah, don't think that'll work

[rugged iris]

Oh.

[merry hollow]

Rip

[merry hollow]

Yeah lol

[merry hollow]

I think the drums are decent

At this bpm though I got no idea what to do

[cerulean pike]

err

add actual instruments other than percussion?

[merry hollow]

Not what I meant-

I meant like I'm not really sure what direction to take it in with the instruments and basses

[cerulean pike]

bro just make something

[merry hollow]

Yeah but what

I'm trying to think of something but at that bpm nothing comes to mind

And at a more normal bpm the drums don't sound good anymore

[cerulean pike]

you can't think of it because it doesn't exist yet

stupid

[merry hollow]

Sigh

[blazing obsidian]

yo wsp

[blazing obsidian]

first one's soundtrap, second is flm

[merry hollow]

Here

[blazing obsidian]

how's your day?

[cerulean pike]

guitar is out of tune 😭😭😭

[blazing obsidian]

IK ITS SOUNDTRAP I TOOK A LOOP

[cerulean pike]

😭😭 why did you even take it

[blazing obsidian]

i was bored

[cerulean pike]

Man I really need to change string on my guitar

But I've got no time

[blazing obsidian]

which guitar? acoustic, or nylon or?

mine's acoustic

[cerulean pike]

Electric

[blazing obsidian]

dayum

[cerulean pike]

I changed strings on my acoustic last winter

they lasted for 2 years before that

[blazing obsidian]

YOU HAVE TWO

?

[cerulean pike]

UHm

Uhm

four, actually

[blazing obsidian]

BRU

i only have 1 piano and 1 guitar

how rich are you bru?

[cerulean pike]

The other two are another electric (old strings too but there's a floyd rose so I couldn't be bothered to change them) and an electric bass

[cerulean pike]

My parents don't mind feeding my addiction for some reason

[blazing obsidian]

oh what daw?

[cerulean pike]

FL Studio

[blazing obsidian]

i use flm

(and soundtrap for pc)

[cerulean pike]

flm is fl mobile?

[blazing obsidian]

yeah

[cerulean pike]

I see I see

[blazing obsidian]

my 2nd ver wip is made in flm

[blazing obsidian]

this one

[cerulean pike]

I don't have a piano

🥀

Not that I know how to play one tho

[blazing obsidian]

i barely learnt piano, just enough to do chords and bass

[cerulean pike]

Though I use a lot of digital piano in my songs

[blazing obsidian]

same

what genres do you do?

[cerulean pike]

Err

I don't do "genres"

[blazing obsidian]

continue in dms

[cerulean pike]

oke

[merry hollow]

Xd

[cerulean pike]

you know that better than anyone else at this point

[merry hollow]

Yes, unfortunately xd

[cerulean pike]

wdym unfortunately

😭😭😭

[merry hollow]

Nothing xd dw

[rugged iris]

This is a snippet of YESABSOLUTELY hehehe
I tried going epic with this one

[cerulean pike]

Mmm I wonder what I should do

[cerulean pike]

Ight need some feedback on mastering of this one

[unborn ravine]

The drums are in the lowest pits of hell

Turn em up

Cut out some of the mid end on the melodies

A lot of the low end as well

[cerulean pike]

Ima just turn the low shelf down

[blazing obsidian]

fr

[cerulean pike]

what if I do it like this?

[cerulean pike]

😭 I like it that way tho

my head hurts if the kick's too loud

[blazing obsidian]

we can barely hear it tho, the kick has to be impactful

[cerulean pike]

I changed the drum/clap compression here and overall loudness balance

[unborn ravine]

melody def sounds better now

but the drums are still pretty low

why do you even have compression on a kick and clap pattern

[cerulean pike]

because without it the sound sucks

[unborn ravine]

i mean

choose better sounds

[cerulean pike]

No I like those

It's not like they're bad samples

Any percussion sounds better with proper compression

[merry hollow]

Man okay- I'm holding back 4 paragraphs worth

[unborn ravine]

[merry hollow]

But first off, use a side eq to just practically brickwall the lows. Second off, mix your sounds individually, don't solo them, play instruments together, and mix each one to fit in its own space

That's half the mastering process done

And yes, the drums need to be brought up. You don't like loud kicks- that's fine, at least side chain them to the bass

Drums need to be audible to create good motion and rhythm

And yeah sound selection is necessary too-

Try a tighter snare, or a higher end clap

[cerulean pike]

I never solo my sounds I might just be deaf

[merry hollow]

Try to see which instruments are taking up what space on the eq spectrum, then lower those frequencies on the instruments that aren't doing much in that range

Keep doing this

[unborn ravine]

not to cut off yall convos but heres some neffex vocals (invert + extract)

[merry hollow]

And- idk if its just the sounds or what- but please lower the reverb on like- everything man-

[unborn ravine]

im ngl if you have to compress a singular clap sound, just change the sound

yeah the reverb + delay on the vocals is crazy

it might not even be a delay its just too much echoing

[merry hollow]

I mean I wouldn't say that necessarily, but choosing a good sound off the bat is just a lot nicer and works well most of the time

[unborn ravine]

ye ye

[merry hollow]

If you're aiming for something very specific then yeah sure go off with the processing

But imo drums shouldn't have too many effects aside from basic glue compression and panning

[unborn ravine]

youll just rarely need to do mastering on your clap, especially if its just a verse part

in a drop or something sure

[merry hollow]

Yep

Even if its a drop, just layer and sidechain

Eq is the only thing you'll require for drops

[unborn ravine]

yup

[cerulean pike]

It's not that I have to

It's just that someone tells me my drums should be louder and that's the only way to do it without my limiter going like -7db every clap

[merry hollow]

Soft clipper.

[unborn ravine]

oh yeah

remove that limiter

put a soft clipper on there

[cerulean pike]

It's a master limiter 😔

[unborn ravine]

yes

remove it

[merry hollow]

And from where did you learn to add a limiter on your master and on what settings is it

[cerulean pike]

You do realize that if I do that my headphones might just die right?

[unborn ravine]

limiter makes your shit sound muddy as fuck most of the time

[merry hollow]

Yeah

[unborn ravine]

its like

the basic fl preset

[merry hollow]

Soft clipper. And lower the volume

[unborn ravine]

when you open it its just there

🙏

[merry hollow]

Yeah ik, had to deal with removing that every time when I used trial fl

[unborn ravine]

make everything quieter but replace the limiter with the soft clipper

[unborn ravine]

i kept it for like so long

😭

[merry hollow]

Lol

Its alright

You know it now

[unborn ravine]

the glory days when my bass used to sound like water

[merry hollow]

Lmao

[unborn ravine]

oh shit

thats not the defalut fl plugin

[cerulean pike]

That's fabfilter pro l-2

[merry hollow]

WAIT I FORGOT I COULD SAVE MIXER PRESETS IN FL ITSELF NOW INSTEAD OF SAVING IT AS FILES-

[cerulean pike]

the only fabfilter plugin that doesn't crash my daw

[unborn ravine]

still tho limiters are usually just not good for a master

[unborn ravine]

good job

[merry hollow]

Hmm alright so first- remove it- lower the volume of everything, and add a soft clipper

[unborn ravine]

lmao

[merry hollow]

No they're useful- but like- its not something you just want to be there

You'd usually them in combination with saturators and compressors

[unborn ravine]

i mean

yeah if you have like heavy clipping and compression before it

but even then i feel like you can go without it a lot of times

this is the only valid way your master can look

[merry hollow]

Yeahhhh Classic Screecher go woooo

[unborn ravine]

[merry hollow]

As a basis ig yeah but you do want to add plugins to your master xd

[unborn ravine]

vocodex on 1% goes hard

yeah if you can mix well enough you honestly dont need much for a master

ik you do like edm so you probably do

i make rnb beats ion need allat

[cerulean pike]

don't care

[unborn ravine]

oh 😭

can i

see the eq

[merry hollow]

It ever so slightly helps but too much and it sounds dumb

XD

[unborn ravine]

lmao

[merry hollow]

Yeah that's fair, there's too much going on in edm so mastering is more complicated but still more or less the same concept

Mixing is just not enough to make it sound completely good

[unborn ravine]

u right

i should learn mastering im kinda working on my structuring for now

[cerulean pike]

It's just tonal balance

[unborn ravine]

ok thats not horrible

but like do you actually really need that there

for the whole master??

[cerulean pike]

It sounds better like this

[merry hollow]

Without any effects, then with effects, then with vocodex turned up. That's why I keep it so low down XD @unborn ravine

[unborn ravine]

idk man it doesnt sound very good anyways, imo at least

[unborn ravine]

yeah wow that sound is something

[merry hollow]

Nah actually tonal balance is fine, that's good that he's doing that

[merry hollow]

In a good way or what xd

[unborn ravine]

in a good way yeah

do you make the sounds

[cerulean pike]

my ears hurt

[unborn ravine]

eh

[merry hollow]

I recommend sage audio for the basics, and then go onto other channels who're more into your main genre. Sage audio explains the main concepts and ideas very well, but not too in depth so you still have brain cells remaining afterwards xd

[unborn ravine]

gotta get it all to sound good first then you can worry about allat

[unborn ravine]

thanks

[merry hollow]

Sigh xd

[unborn ravine]

im def not doing that rn but ill keep it in mind

[merry hollow]

Fair, but its not really a bad thing to have. Though I'd have it disabled up until its practically finished. You wouldn't want to base your entire mix around one eq on the master

[merry hollow]

No worries lol

[unborn ravine]

yea yea exactly

itd just throw you off

[merry hollow]

Yeah I made the sound, though its inspired by a sound I saw made by someone. I do make a lot of sounds I use though

These are all the sounds I've made so far

[unborn ravine]

thats crazy

[merry hollow]

Yeah exactly

[unborn ravine]

serum?

oh

i see

i gotta learn serum at some point

[merry hollow]

Serum and vital mainly, though I do do some stuff with harmor

[unborn ravine]

vital is just too laggy icl

[merry hollow]

Very useful to know honestly, I took a long time getting to it because my 2 brain cells couldn't comprehend anything more than a saw wave and a sine wave

[merry hollow]

Unfortunately yeah, though it was what I started out with since it was free

[unborn ravine]

thats where im basically at

i mean im not necessarily gonna pay for serum

but i feel ya

damn the guys song kinda got buried

[merry hollow]

I have made so many vital presets xd

[merry hollow]

Yeah fair enough, I got gifted it a while ago

[merry hollow]

Unfortunately yeah

[unborn ravine]

holy shit

[merry hollow]

Wisp come back xd

[unborn ravine]

you think you can bless me 🥺

[merry hollow]

With what lol

[unborn ravine]

yk

the sounds