Both "Trigger Happy" and "Bloodlust" perks do not work on Punishers and gozers

[main belfry]

I recently discovered this issue where punishes aren't boosted by rate of fire bonuses from pilots. Even when the Purple outline/visual appears on the punishers when getting the RoF bonuses, it still doesn't shoot any faster

For testing, the first clip is with Kate, who doesn't possess any RoF buffs. And the second clip is with Bullwork Liu, who has 2 perks that give an 11% RoF bonus combined.

P.S. the .02 second discrepancy isnt the buff coming into play, I believe a few shots from the punisher didn't hit/damage drop-off occured, resulting in a longer TTK in the first clip.

Extra P.S. all modules used are LVL 5

[sage siren]

Question for the devs: Is this a bug or is this due to fire rate breakpoints associated with high rate of fire weapons compared to the server frame rate? Assuming the server frame rate is 30FPS, the fire rate would always be 2 frames per shot (always rounded up) even with the pilot buff, based on my calculation.

[main belfry]

Also i just tested it with the gozers. The gozers dont inherit the RoF buffs either. So both punishers and gozers are unaffected by RoF buffs right now

[sage siren]

What FPS do you usually run at, just curious

[main belfry]

Im on xbox series x. So I believe its usually 120. But the game does stutter occasionally if a particular part of a game is too detailed

[hollow elm]

Can u try with carmen or drillbit?

[main belfry]

I think i have Carmen. I'll see what I can do. Although im gonna go eat lunch first.

[cerulean lantern]

After some testing, press the attack does affect it but there is no change with the 4% fire rate boost.

With PTA

With PTA +4% fire rate

[main belfry]

Yeah I just tested it aswell. So I think the "Trigger Happy" and "Blood lust" perks are bugged. Imma rename the bug report

Both "Trigger Happy" and "Bloodlust" perks do not work on Punishers and gozers

[hollow elm]

4% fire rate not affecting it but 20% affecting it suggests that Genki's theory about fps might actually be right

[sage siren]

I think we've stumbled on cursed game knowledge

5 punisher used against phantom torso in test range

[sage siren]

fyi to everyone (note the punisher TTK 30 FPS vs 280 FPS)

[sage siren]

These are the results of 1.24 ROF buff for 5x punishers. Note that that at 30 FPS the TTK is the same as no ROF buff

[main belfry]

Im curious if this could be fixed. Im not a coder, so im unsure if they FPS could be changed at all

[sage siren]

You could try [Settings -> general -> TV & display options -> refresh rate] I am curious if changing that impacts your time to kill

From a PC perspective I had to turn off vsync to get the higher FPS (although I realize you are console)

[sage siren]

@charred tusk may I post a breakpoint calculator link

[hollow elm]

Fps does indeed affect dps unfortunately, which is insane, but its where were at xd

The odd part is that its affecting fire rate yield

Im not sure about the breakpoints part of the theory though, I get that its because of fps, but it seems like it has a lot of assumptions

[sage siren]

I tested 0% and 4% fire rate on punishers at 60 FPS and it resulted in the same TTK

[main belfry]

I dont think my TV has that kind of option. I looked around in the settings but couldn't find anything related to refresh rate. Maybe some more optimization down the line could fix this. But I know 100% now that both the 4% and 7% RoF perks are bugged

[charred tusk]

Yes please do