Parts Tier List and investment suggestion for Beginner

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This tier list is intended to help new players below Emerald rank quickly learn how parts perform to avoid wasting resources
Depending on the server or even matchmaking, the meta environment and playstyle may cause a little difference in how they work. If you have any thoughts on it, feel free to discuss

If you want to stay competitive in PvP...
Recommend upgrading T2 or higher parts. T3 or lower parts can still work, but they often require high investment for low returns

The promote for leveling are different between parts, you can check the "% increase" columns in Ultimate WRF Data Sheet. Some part have higher priority to upgrade
Recommend leveling all parts to Lv5 first, it’s the sweet spot for value.
Then follow the order below to upgrade the rest to Lv8 or Lv12, best to wait for the intel discount to spend the , unless you already short on

Torso → Weapons/Gears → Chassis/Shoulders
Ex: Titan - Suggest trying all Titans before spending on any of them. But once you find the one that fits your favorite playstyle, it is always worth for spend on it first

Here are how the tiers mean

T0 - Main Meta

-# They always work great in any type of team/match

T1 - Great

-# They work great in most situation, or have the irreplaceable outstanding utility, or just no short

T2 - Middle

-# They work average great on builds, of course with a great build or skill you can push it to meta level

T3 - Playable

-# They are not bad, but you need some work or skill to make they great

-----the playable line-----

T4 - Neglected

-# They are not good in competition, I wont recommend them. Unless u already have a great build or style/skill to play

T5 - Trash

-# They never work great

Plus: Here are the link to make your tier list if you need
Also feel free to repost those

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[ebon chasm]

Agree 100% with this

[flint flume]

Why fury so low?

[vapid widget]

It's lack of armor contrast others 14 weight torsos (mainly purifier
And reloading don't boost ttk in most scene, in long run even not enough cycle damage increase (mainly contrast purifier again

[flint flume]

Might need to get an purifier

[tiny kettle]

What wrong with scourge to make it worse than noricums?

Dmg falloff at higher leagues?

[digital portal]

Scourge can't fight against meta, you need to be stick at the enemy, and have a really good aim to make it work.
The problem are mainly Incenerator, halo or Slugger, those weapons kills you before you can kill them with your Scourges, besides Scourges are flanker weapons, so just doesn't fit on any tank

Also there is Horde tho, Horde can two shot you at close range, especially if you are using a Flanker, so Horde is also a no no to Scourge

I tell from experience, Scourge is my favorite weapon in the whole game, and i use a Scorpion Scourge on Emerald, i can make it work, but i recognize Scourge is not a great weapon overall

[vapid widget]

They are in same tier, its just order by rarity

[digital portal]

Even tough, it's really weird that Orkan and Punisher are in the same tier

Personally i would put Punisher on T2

[tiny kettle]

Cheers

[vapid widget]

It was in T2, until hefty take the place... Punisher dont work great when install on tanks make it out of main

[tiny kettle]

Cheers

[vapid widget]

Now its only sirin or raven punisher can call a thing, others are just not good as hefty

[digital portal]

Well, makes sense, Ceres with 5 Punisher was good tho, but, since the last Ceres nerf, i can't tell if still worth it

[tiny kettle]

I think I've seen your build in the build hub, could you show your scorpion scourge build please

[mystic dust]

I’d swap the position of typhon and ceres. I guess with the addition of slugger, I can see why it’s not higher…

[digital portal]

https://discord.com/channels/941368722860417105/1454377945807327356

[mystic dust]

Idk. I would always put typhon high up because it has such a strong ability.

Weird to see it in mid tier.

[tiny kettle]

Thanks

[vapid widget]

From the pickrate, there havn't a stable typhon build in noa.
And back to it self: Its work, but unstable. Ares and snipers can ignored it sometime, and a later infi can fully cover it effect

[tiny kettle]

Yes that's exactly the one i was thinking of, I'm creating my own build with crix (i know its not the best but I see potential) which uses the same mechanics of your build

[mystic dust]

It’s perfectly suitable for a light assassin build, which isn’t very good right now. It also has counters, like you said, unlike the T0 torsos.

It just hurts to see it not near the top when I know it has so much potential. Ahhhh! I wish more people would use it!

We need a flanker meta so typhon can go back to S tier.

[tepid stone]

yo why is trident in T4??

[mystic dust]

Same reason thunder is in t5

[tepid stone]

which explains absolutely... "nothing" to me

[mystic dust]

It requires more skill than Zeus or trebuchet and doesn’t break shields as easily. Your target can often just ignore you and duck back behind cover before you can deal real damage.

It also doesn’t have quite enough armor damage to make it worth picking over the previously mentioned options.

[vapid widget]

Yeah its have potential... and thats the T3 definition:

T3 - Playable
They are not bad, but you need some work or skill to make they great

[tepid stone]

i have a triple trident set up tho... breaks most shields in 2 shots

so maybe 2 tridents aint worth??

[mystic dust]

3 tridents is usable, but yes, 2 is never worth it.

Zeus is better than any other 5 weight heavy.

[vapid widget]

WELL, 3 tridents only deal 18870 shield dmg a hit at max...

[mystic dust]

Trident is pretty god tier vs tanks. The only problem is those tanks get supported by some kind of Zeus build and you’re kinda screwed unless you have insane aim. (Yes it’s possible to out snipe those builds, you just need to hit every shot.)

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T4 - Neglected

-# They are not good in competition, I wont recommend them. Unless u already have a great build or style/skill to play

[tepid stone]

explains why i've been having actual good success with them then. i mostly hit my shots. have like a few whiffs and bad moments but i do hit a lot of the shots

[blazing inlet]

Me shredders 😭

[devout jewel]

repulsor really doesnt need to be upgraded. it should be the last item you max for one of your builds imo

its mostly why its so good. its versatile and doesnt rely on levels. a lvl 1 repulsor works really fine

[vapid widget]

The promote for leveling are different between parts, you can check the "% increase" columns in Ultimate WRF Data Sheet. Some part have higher priority to upgrade

[devout jewel]

Oh i feel like i missunderstood the goal of this post/tierlist

Mb

[night marten]

even the railgun?????
im offended

[opal pendant]

with the conflux i can understand that

when i tried it out it was best on lrs/tdm sniping maps and spearhead

[flint flume]

@vapid widget Will you ever expand this to shoulders and legs also?

[vapid widget]

Shoulders and chassis are not good for comparable
But yeah we can have one
-# There will be a lot of controversy

[flint flume]

but like surely there are some ones that are just trash, no?

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Shoulders list (wip, still more check work)

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↑

[flint flume]

Wait i dont understand whats the difference between the mk1 and mk2 shoulders?
Dont they have the same stats?

[vapid widget]

They have same stats but Mk1 have a little bigger hitbox

[flint flume]

Makes sense 👍

[vapid widget]

Shoulders list - after first recheck

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And... chassis

[opal pendant]

Deckers still good after their nerf?

[vapid widget]

Still way better than other 2, only bad on slot place

[opal pendant]

By 2 you mean other heavy gun 12w shoulders right?

I got lost for a decent time 🤦‍♂️

Trying to understand

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[opal pendant]

Also may I ask what is the reasoning cyclops legs at t2?

They have very good stats and arent too slow

And they have great w to e

[vapid widget]

Thats not very good stats

• Max speed and acceleration.. fine
• fuel and dashing speed... very bad
• armor... also bad contrast other chassis near weight
  And most important, its almost covered by hitcher

[tiny kettle]

@vapid widget what makes vortex t3? They seem too weak so much so that you seemingly have to run 5 to be usable. Seems like t4 no?

[vapid widget]

I admit artilleries tier are not accurate

[tiny kettle]

It's fine, it's great that we have a teir list to work of off in the first place.

Also is scatter T1 in of itself or by virtue of ricochet?

[vapid widget]

Its always in T1, Ricochet and maximizer just enlarge those advantages

• Pierce wall, stop enemies shield restore
• The highest cycle armor dps in all 3 weight weapons
• Best anti titan choose

[tiny kettle]

Im about to make vortex t1

[faint crater]

I'm starting to feel like I have problems in life because I can recognize 95% of the names of these chassis from this low-quality picture without thinking.

[glass abyss]

My Mesa is near the bottom of T4 😔

[charred lark]

Why Alpha Calisto is tier 4 ? I murdered so many people every game with Calisto. I have Bayonet in my warehouse since forever and never touch it.

Let me add my personal opinion on this tier list. I think mostly everything here is right and I agree with almost everything. But when it comes to battle prowess, you need to know your robot such as your weakness, strength, navigation, capabilities, and positioning. Teamwork coordination also play a pivotal role in team fight. Just relying on equipment tier list is not enough to produce a good outcome.

[vapid widget]

People who still using callisto bc they never try maxed bayonet

[vapid widget]

As I said on the top, its mainly to help people avoid underpowered parts. Player still need find their best play style rather just combination T1 parts

[charred lark]

Ok I will max my Bayonet and see how good it is

[raw girder]

for the old folk like me that can't see x)

[opal pendant]

I was the same way

Once you try on bayonet

You’ll like it

When it max

[west latch]

Callisto is a great weapon, but not a good weapon for Alpha, if that makes sense.

Bayonet actually fits Alpha's intended playstyle.

[loud cave]

Is there any reason why tyr being T1 instead of typhoon shoulder?

Is it simply because of hitbox?

[west latch]

That huge hit box coupled with its extremely low armor is a recipe for disaster.

Every time I see that shoulder on a bot I think "nice, an easy kill".

[devout jewel]

Same

Ty to everyone who use typhoon shoulders in the enemy team

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Update: add name info on shoulder and chassis

[hollow holly]

Just my take, but I think griffin and ceres shoulders are really low on this list. I run them on a lot of builds. Highest armor for 12 weight shoulders, great when paired with damage reduction and/or heals.

[tepid fable]

good with synergy, but there are better options when on their own.

[vapid widget]

Ceres work on some tank build that have to save the weight, which... is a unusual need, and remenber lower tier dont mean fully useless, its more about in general
Griffin just bad, you get a "OK" armor, then u sacrifice most shield performance

[tepid fable]

I'm surprised mesa shoulder is so low. Should be a heavy mount imo.

[vapid widget]

It too heavy for light build to mix it
Only maximizer inci tank can really use armor and shield at same time... which is heavy slot...
-# Also magneto tank maybe can use it, but after bisector magneto has gone out of tank choice

[loud cave]

Griffin is viable for tank builds
The one with magneto and the autocannon

I only saw ppl using mesa with ceres gozer build
More like support tank

[idle spire]

Question: what are the replaced tiers meant to mean...?

[vapid widget]

Its mean: The part does have that tier performance, but its can be replaced by other clearly strong part
Such like Crix, its still great for shield build, but varangian mk2 just better than it in most case
You still can using them as lv1, but i wont suggestion u waste on upgrade it

[copper trout]

and why is varangian shoulder mkI tier0 and MkII in tier1? Is it MkII has bigger hitbox?

[copper trout]

ravanna torso and chassis T0 even after the nerf?

[loud cave]

maxed ravana has very low cooldown time for its ability, its still very strong as tank with biscetor repair build

[gloomy crag]

Need some help, just starting out, what parts/weap should i invest?

[vapid widget]

For the early parts i recommend:

• Harpy(torso,chassis)
• Raven(torso,shoulder,chassis)
• Ares(torso only)
• Vrangian(torso, mk2 shoulder)

• Weapons: Zeus, Gozer(use with any torso have damage ability), Horde. Those cover from long range to close range and esay to get
• Gear: Fuel reserve, Blink, flashbang

[gloomy crag]

thanks

Why is harpy chassis good? Also which titan is good?

[mystic dust]

Decent weight and energy, and really good movement/fuel.

[vapid widget]

Harpy have a great load and fuel, its can be replaced with siren(not big gap thought), but its way more cheap in early game
Titans are balanced, they have different advantages and disadvantages. You can try every titan first then find one u prone

Here a quick titan intro

• Alpha: Radar + over map strike, best long range supporter but weak on front line
  -# Its weak on health and depend on level to reduce ability CD, also weak on weapon before u get "Bayonet" weapon. Its the end choice for many people but cost much
• Matriarch: Team healing and great on close fight
  -# Always good have one in team
• Grim: Melee assassin, great for solo
  -# Hard to use, and can be very bad when facing someone know how to deal with grim
• Volta: Mid range spider, have both firepower and survival
  -# The never wrong choice, but maybe not the best choice for different scene
• Norna: Close fight spider, ability similar to volta but more regard on firepower
  -# Its just pure violent, if u pursue for get killing in close fight, choice her

[gloomy crag]

Q: why does bayonet weapon cost too much?

[vapid widget]

I mean the whole alpha, its require all parts on lv13 (except chassis)
Also bayonet can only find in store, thats take time or money...

And a big tip: One titan/robot usually won't change the match, but a group can
What ever u play, pay attention on your teammate. Sometime self destroy for switch to a better choice bot if u need. Keep a useless bot stand wont help u team

[gloomy crag]

Any idea what early game weapon I should level up?

[vapid widget]

Level torso first, bc they all at same price, mult weapons are way expensive than one torso
If you have to, first on heavy weapon(like horde,zues) bc they are less

[copper trout]

Does anyone know if the new salvage discount tomorrow will continue in the future?

[vapid widget]

Not sure yet

[loud cave]

2% drop rate and cost 3840 golds to buy one
Also requires around 220k scraps and 200ish intel to max it

Callisto is still decent for alpha tho
But 5 seconds reload is just too much in close range counter

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<t:1774373520:d> Torso list Update

New content

Heike: T5
-# Bad effect, long cd, only highlight is high health, but that just another kumo

Change

Cyclops, Raven, Harpy: From T1 to T2
-# Those damage ability torso might not be that good, lower them tier and need more discuss on them
Siren, Ceres, Anansi: From T2 to T1
-# They have so peak performance on high-intensity matches, that matched the T1 definition
Hitcher: From T4 to T3
-# With deeper research, close instant damage build is working great on hitcher

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<t:1774373520:d> Titan list Update

Change

Norna: From T1+ to T1
-# After the EMP bug fixed, its not longer always dominate in close range
Jigsaw, Conflux, Callisto: Up one tier
-# They havn't so much gap contrast others, up one tier make the list look compact

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<t:1774373520:d> Gear list Update

Change

Minefield: From T3 to T1
-# After bugs fixed, its way more useful and stable
Suppressor: From T3 to T2
-# I just give it too low tier before... Although its can't block enemy move contrast Energy wall, but its more useful when facing multiple enemies and cant be broke

[opal pendant]

For harpy it depends on the build and works better close up (mainly hit and run works best for it)

Raven is very good at all ranges (hits up to 700 meters) but you need to land your shots and with the projectile speed it’s mainly effective up to 450m before you need to start leading a lot more

[copper trout]

First, I want to thank you for doing all this work. It's been very helpful. Perhaps this is too complex of a question, but can I ask your methodology? Is the data based on solo play? team play? Thanks in advance.

[vapid widget]

It's based on my own gameplay and discussions with other noas
-# Sry, this isn't based on data; devs haven't shared the match stats, and our community doesn't have the tracker

The tier list assume a "high-intensity match with even matchmaking, where everyone plays at an OK level" Your teammates should at least understand grouping and basic teamwork (like sharing heals), so there won't be a huge difference between solo and team play
-# Bot farming, 1v1, and 3v3 will be different, but I don't want to make things too complex

And after all, if the matchmaking is unfortunately unfair, the tier list won't matter much—it’ll just be a one sided

[copper trout]

what are noas?

[idle spire]

It's short for Noachium, the name of the highest league in the game...

Noas is just a faster way of saying players from that league...

Don't take me at face value tho... I'm only assuming that's what that means... Not fully sure until someone more experienced come and either backs my assumption up or rips it up and spits in my low league face...

[copper trout]

Makes sense

[idle spire]

So... Sorry if being bothersome, I was just a bit curious: is there a census on where the Heike's shoulder stand on this list or is that wip...?

[vapid widget]

No i wasnt update heike shoulder and chassis
One side is its take time to find their best build, other side is im ||playing rimworld those day ||

For now, heike shoulder look like T1(116k can not really be armor meta)
The chassis is T3

[loud cave]

Should pulsar be promoted to T2?

I mean it has accuracy and also quite low reload time

[copper trout]

not sure if anyone asked this yet, but why is phantom shoulder T0? doesn't scorpion shoulder have better stats? Does the phantom have a smaller hitbox?

[ebon chasm]

yes the scorpion shoulder does have a larger hit box

[loud cave]

scropion is rare tier, maxing requires way more resource than phantom
also stat wise its not worth minor stat improvment over hit box increases

its too big compared with phantom

ppl simply use loki if they want higher shield btw, just 1 weight more
its either scatter or horde build

[copper trout]

right, so despite having lower armor/shield, phantom shoulder is T0 because the smaller hit box is that significant?

[ebon chasm]

i think at max level the scorpion offers perhaps around 7k more armour, 2k more shield, costs that much more to upgrade and offers a larger hitbox too for all that. it would, for example, be so much easier to shoot the larger hit box with any mid range weapon

Also, i think this #1479561890874265711 message would be the latest update to the shoulder tier list

so i see that the scorpion and phantom are in the same tier

[keen lark]

Scorpion should at least be t1

[full oak]

i think minefield should be t2

nvm mb

i was viewing the old list plate

t1 yes so good

[cobalt hinge]

In fact I think it should be T0@full oak

[full oak]

yes

[opal pendant]

they good but making it t0 is a little too much

it has a long timer

need to expose yourself if you wanna dive bomb

and at times it isnt worth the risk

and the red team can just hover over them

[rugged marsh]

@vapid widget thank you for the effort. I play a longer time now but never figured out how to build a decent bot and not a "frankenstein".

[copper trout]

is there a rating for the heike chassis?

[vapid widget]

Not yet, chassis tier is base on its stats and builds that using it, need more time to research
But so far its bad(T3 and lower)

[cobalt hinge]

I don't think so, damage is crazy big, and it slows, and it stays in an area for a big while, which is crazy good (sometimes after a while I'd have enemies accidentally walking into em)

Fast to obtain

[opal pendant]

38 second timer when max and it deals 9k per module when max

38 seconds is a long time

If it was 30 or 32 seconds I would understand for t0

[full oak]

or explodes on command

it will be tier negative 1

[copper trout]

oh boy, lots of things getting "rebalanced". can't wait for your new tier list. lol

[vapid widget]

[vapid widget]

Temporary tier for new and balance change parts

New parts

Garuda

• Torso: T3 (if bug fixed can be T1)
  -# Bugged, but you can still use it with alpha or as a roadblock
• Chassis: T2
  -# The new high load, but dont have much fuel, with only 160kmh dashing speed, need build research on it to be T1
• Shoulder: T3 replaced
  -# Just bad than vrangian, and expensive

ION T4

-# Weak on cycle dps, even weaker on shield dmg. and expensive
-# Its have potential to become T3, but need waiting for build research

Balance change

Ares

Still T0, still no one can replace it job or counter it

[full oak]

ares deadass need 50s cd to be balanced

[cobalt hinge]

I think ares shield's hitbox need fixing more likely 😂

[west latch]

That won't do anything.
They'll still basically auto win a one v one because of no counter play.

[copper trout]

what's no counter play?

[copper trout]

how so? is it too big?

[copper trout]

what's replace its job? like the role it plays on the team?

[mystic dust]

None of the other flanker-type torsos can provide the damage and defense of ares. There’s no replacement for ares, so it will continue being used even after the small nerf.

[tiny kettle]

Varangian no?

[copper trout]

gotcha. but it's role is still primarily a flanker, yeah? I'm wondering if there's no counter for it, then wouldn't that mean it's in a class on of it's own?

[copper trout]

any thoughts on the anansi chassis nerf?

[mystic dust]

Varangian’s shield remains in place and it provides no damage output. Not a proper replacement for ares.

[tiny kettle]

Fair

[copper trout]

was thinking the same thing. although I usually do better with varangian than ares for some reason. I might be only sucker that can't use ares well. lol.

[mystic dust]

There are counters for it, but a well built and well played ares setup wins most matchups.

[copper trout]

Counters... tank or sniper?

[mystic dust]

Counters such as: freezing it with siren or jumping over it to ignore the shield.

[copper trout]

ah, gotcha gotcha.

[west latch]

Not to the same level.

Varangian's thing is being safe inside their bubble. However there are plenty of things people can do to counter the dome.

• Use a high shield DPS weapon to break it.
• if you are a flanker, just dive into the dome.
• toss in a gear, such as blast wave, ghost turret, Kinetic Pulse, etc.
• just leave their line of sight, they are stationary, you aren't.

[vapid widget]

Personal... didnt feel any change
Its strong bc the dash, not speed
||I would suggest add 1-2 fuel dash start cost||

[copper trout]

I would suggest add 1-2 fuel dash start cost. I'm not quite sure I understand.

[copper trout]

But to me it does feel slightly slower.

[ebon chasm]

I think it means that there will be higher fuel consumption for dashing and i think right now, no fuel is required to initiate the dash, but it is required to maintain it. That way, the spider chassis will consume fuel faster and run out of fuel faster as well, so in a way it might limit the crazy manouevering that is possible with them rn

[copper trout]

@vapid widget Hi. Out of curiosity, why is the Thunder rated so low? Is there a better weapon that fills that role?

[vapid widget]

Horde

[vapid widget]

||And bisector||

[copper trout]

thanks!

[fleet mountain]

I do use fury with one of my mechs, if sufficiently leveled, something like nucleons on it will do pretty well with it. Just trigger the ability when it reaches the 12 ammo mark and you get a free refill of your guns without wasting ammo.

Takes some finess to do it consistently tho.

[vapid widget]

Its just not as effective as purifier(even after nerf)

[fleet mountain]

I do have 2 purifiers I use regularly. It's strength lays in its armour, not the aoe buff perk it uses

I would argue that Fury may have weaker armour overall, but the perk in the right hands is very potent, assuming you're using the correct weapons for the job.

Think of this way. When a purifier uses its perk, you know it has used its perk due to the radius around. You could attack it but you would risk getting beaten. As such, it us best to think of the purifier as a damage sponge, not to the same lvl as a ceres with its ability to heal others and itself, but it can tank a stupid amount of damage like a shield.

But don't stats alone don't tell the full tale.

Fury doesn't shine because it is a tank, or the most durable. It shines because of its perk. A max lvled nucleon usually has 60 shots and on most cases, is predictable. Fury effectively can double the amount of shots if you time the perk right. It may not be a hard hitter like cyclops, but it's what I consider the mech equivalent of a machine gun. Consistent fire overtime at the cost of overall armour.

My only real critique of the fury itself lays in its lack of synergy with many weapons. It is not as flexible but in the right hands can prove a handy tool of destruction.

[vapid widget]

Here the issue, your enemy wont stand as a dumb target, the extra ammo rather waste or can only used a part
But Purifier does increase dps and dph, make more change for killing, and the area buff is peak perk

[full oak]

purifier got more armor too

[fleet mountain]

But here's the kicker. when an opponent sees a purifier perk, it is very visible, and very noticeable. You would either escape or hide when you see it active. Fury in comparison doesn't have a very visual indicator in comparison... at least not as noticeable.

So how I would do it is I would engage a target knowing of their maneuverability, but when the time js right, you trigger the peak and unload everything you have.

[vapid widget]

Thats why mid range purifier is the meta, not the melee

[fleet mountain]

I never said melee, and I specifically said Nucleon for a very specific reason.

500m definitely ain't "melee" range.

[vapid widget]

But the bullet speed, Nuc only do suppress in mid range, i will call it melee weapon

[fleet mountain]

That's like calling a Dragunov rifle a freaking trench sweeper. Lol

There is a reason I compared it to a machine gun. The fury was built for suppressing targets, not outright engaging a target like purifier.

So naturally the fury thrives in mid range engagements while the purifier is more a "close and personal" kind of mech, you know what I mean?

I was even made aware of another example. Anansi cabin is... well, not exactly a looker. Low armour stats means for day to day combat it is not used. However I was informed it does thrive in tournanment based enviorments, where its perk truly shines.

I'm not saying purifier is bad at all. What I am trying to say is that with many options does come multiple options. The true factor is team synergy, not meta ranking. There's a difference.

[full oak]

mayb purifier is easier to use tho, on team scale fury isnt rlly help outside of suppress

[fleet mountain]

That's what I am hinting at! Purifier can be hard to use if you don't know what you're doing.

[full oak]

anything work on team scale will have high rank here i think

ares not rlly but it has broken advantages

[fleet mountain]

Indeed. For example, I do value people with ceres in high regards. The ability to heal your allies is nothing to be scoffed at.

And if done right, can allow for continued survival of heavier mechs like purifier. Think of each one as part of the whole. One mech can be countered but a team of mechs that knows damn well what their doing... now that is hard to counter.

Teamwork and unity are the true meta of any game, not the parts & weapons themselves.

[vapid widget]

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PS: Maxed Conflux can be T1

PS: Harpy maybe can become T0 after recent fix

[full oak]

minefield t0 now

[full oak]

why loki t4 though

[vapid widget]

Personal bias

[mystic dust]

Doesn't its ability remove DoT from itself? I could see it being t3 because of that.

Ares chassis is actually pretty good from my experience. It has the highest weight of all the chassis with that level of dash speed, so it has some potential.

[full oak]

t3 is fair

[opal pendant]

Currently atm

Loki will be part of the anti meta

Vs dot ñ the hit ñ runners

[blazing inlet]

Damn, doing me shredders like that😔

[opal pendant]

i think its a list without external items

just only wepoans and how useful they are

[copper trout]

what was the harpy fix to make it t0?

[full oak]

mistaken damage amount in description

before u could only burn around 2-3k

now each shell deal 5k

that mean a lot more damage

[copper trout]

so it was doing less damage than what it said in the description?

[full oak]

yeah

[copper trout]

dang, ok. the way the patch notes worded it sounded like a nerf.

[full oak]

are these tier list based on solo play or team play

[vapid widget]

6v6, average diamond level
Full noa match can different, but i sure noas already have their list

[full oak]

6v6 stranger right

reasonable

i find fenrir bad in teamplay

[opal pendant]

fenir mainly for team play is the antitank/titain if running with scatters

[copper trout]

you mean the fenrir good for team play if equipped with scatters?

[opal pendant]

Yep

It very good anti titán and tanks

[copper trout]

even after the scatter nerf?

[opal pendant]

still storng with sora

[copper trout]

right. I believe hector is still doing some magic with his flagship build.

[bleak mural]

so based on this i shouldnt even consider getting a typhon shoulder?

it showed up in my daily so im asking

[copper trout]

I have a couple typhon shoulders, but the consensus seems to be no, lol. big hitbox

[mystic dust]

it's just too ugly imo

[full oak]

better shield but very weak armor

u gotta keep ur shield up or dont reveal urself when ur shield down

[cobalt hinge]

No. They're the worst shoulder in the game.

[full oak]

fancy look

[terse blade]

Anyone have expirience with new I.O.N. weapon? Is it acually strong on robots with no shield or it is stil trash even on armour?

[full oak]

very good on armor

not good on shield

u gotta need someone to break a loki shield

[vapid widget]

It armor dmg is valuable for 4/10 load, but u have to find a way/team to unleash it: The shield dmg and the reload are big problem
So depend on my list definition, its T4

[full oak]

what is t6 definition

[vapid widget]

Worse than T5

[cobalt hinge]

i think it's very bad for a 4/10 weapon

but defo can be really hard hitting

[copper trout]

does harpy do more damage than the raven torso ability?

[full oak]

they have different use, i cant tell

[cobalt hinge]

Nowadays yes

[copper trout]

why is the fowler ranked so low? it feels similar to the tusks...?

[full oak]

despite good damages and faster reload, the low firerate and slow projectile kill it

plus it can only be place on heavy mounts

or there are better options

[vapid widget]

Its firing mode does feel similar to tusk, but

1. Its burst dps is way lower than tusk(armor 15k to 10k, shield 14k to 7k)
2. Its take a heavy slot, and 1 extra weight than tusk, make its cant use on flexibility build, only on middle and heavy build
3. Follow 2, sound its still have some advantages right? But there have better choice at same load(nucl,hefty,pulsar

[vapid widget]

Velite T0
Artemis

• Torso T0+ (bc bugged)
• Shoulder T1 (T0 if you have to use the 11w shoulder)
• Chassis T1

Hapry still T0, since spider chassis double health issue are fixed
Now it can one hit light spider(about 60k on leg)

[cobalt hinge]

After testing it a lot, I think the weapon is far from as bad as you make it sound

It's not meta not top tier, but it really have heavy hits, with much faster charge time, and wayyyy better ammo economy

I see it as a tusk, but designed for mid range, and compatible with heavier build: tusks being better makes sense cause 11 energy

[vapid widget]

Only T5 are terrible, Its in T4 and mean playable

[cobalt hinge]

I think it's defo T3, not so far from hefty

Similar range, prob better damage, but way more skill

And more likely better ammo economy

[cobalt hinge]

Also, you mentioned it's burst dps... But that's like saying hefty has worse burst dps, so the weapon is bad. No ?

It's meant for accurate shots on mid range, so only looking at burst kinda throw it off.

[copper trout]

What's Velite?

[opal pendant]

New guns

[west latch]

Tyr might be T3 now.

[copper trout]

wow, you think so?

[opal pendant]

What’s the differnce between the typhon and tyr atm?

Sheild and hp wise

[mystic dust]

Stats: Typhon - Tyr
Armor: 43300 - 46000
Shield: 24100 - 17760
Regen: 4700 - 3500
Delay: 20% - 20%

[full oak]

is sluggering still good

[opal pendant]

Ywp

[west latch]

yes, very powerful weapon

[copper trout]

@vapid widget Hi, are you still planning to add a tier list for pilot/skills? Just wondering since there were some recent re-balancing of pilot skills. Thanks!

[snow forum]

There r not enough pilots right now

[night marten]

he temporarily quit the game because of velites

[full oak]

hello zbc

[copper trout]

Do you guys know if ricochet applies to mines?

[opal pendant]

It don’t

[gloomy crag]

2x horde + mines are op

[cobalt hinge]

Anything + mines is already too strong 🤣

[opal pendant]

Railgun mines

👀💀😂

[hazy lake]

they really that nasty huh?

velites i mean

[ebon chasm]

i'd put velites above T0 hehe

[west latch]

https://tenor.com/view/avgn-angry-video-game-nerd-what-were-they-thinking-what-are-they-thinking-confused-gif-17417919

The AVGN tier

[hazy lake]

better than MA balancing, migrating from that game, its such a mess

is these tier lists more for solo queue or squad

[ebon chasm]

They can apply to both settings

[hazy lake]

yeah but like would decker/tyr be in different places depending on the queue?

ill just take it at face value not overthink it

[ebon chasm]

As per my personal opinion, there are probably very very few things in this game which would have different tier lists depending on the situation. I would personally say that this tier list is 99% accurate and correct.

[hazy lake]

oh ok didnt know that

[ebon chasm]

I completely rely on ZBC’s tier lists when i plan my hangars

[hazy lake]

i would have assumed that some things would be better depending on the queue

[ebon chasm]

Having a very well coordinated team can make a huge difference in this game for sure, but i would personally use this tier list in the same capacity whether I’d be playing solo or in a competitive squad

[hazy lake]

ok thx

[cobalt hinge]

The server you're in also play a big role

During the tank meta, you would not see as much tanks in eu as in us

[cobalt hinge]

I don't think this is really true

His tier list gives a nice general idea of what is bad and good ... But there are some choices, such as Zeus, that I don't really agree with.

[cobalt hinge]

Or for example the ares legs, they're not the best, but they works wonder still

[hazy lake]

whats the difference between varangian mk. I and varangian mk. II?

i thought they were the same

[west latch]

MkI has a slightly bigger hit box, so you should just use the mkII since they have the same stats.

[hazy lake]

oh ok, also what does the greyed out "replaced" tiers mean?

[west latch]

There is a part that does the job better at the same weight.

[hazy lake]

oh i see thx

[mystic dust]

I think Crix should be promoted from T0 to T-1 after the buff.

[copper trout]

I believe ZBC also has ease of use/useful in most situations in mind for the tier list also. For example, Grim titan is rated low not because it's "bad", but more so that it's difficult to use well. I've seen veteran players work magic with Grim.