Tank Meta

[latent thicket]

Either way the resistance saved them

Combine that with just the brutal amount of damage that bisectors do

Honestly he should not have gone for that person in the first place I'm going to be honest

Probably should have gone for someone with a shield build and not a tank build

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1374517250056519730/1433647948536746096/3dgifmaker96884.gif

[celest tiger]

not really

the resistance the ravana has is about 56% miniunm with washington and ravana abilty is 35% willaim washington has 11% base

[trim talon]

He would of only had that at the end

Since he didn’t activate the ability till after ult

[latent thicket]

The matriarch would have the same problem

Because he was using a area weapon which was doing damage across the whole body but he activated his defense ability when he was starting to focus on his leg saving him

[latent thicket]

And then I repair and ravana has been a consistent issue due to the resistance

[woven marsh]

damn ravana really does need a nerf or something

that or we really need noachium players to only mathc with the own rank

yea we need to rework tanks, or more so certain torso's being too dominate, more domiate then ceres, and fix match making to the point that a solo queue will only match with other solo queues, not not anyone paired up, but mostly the noachium playing with there own kind.

only two players on my team got two kills, im one of those 2 😭

[latent thicket]

If they're going to Nerf tanks they should Nerf the ttk of all those fast killing weapons

[pliant crane]

which ones ?

[latent thicket]

Halos speakers

You know the ones that people use to kill your robot in less than 3 seconds

The only reason why I even play tanks otherwise I would play assault

[woven marsh]

isnt flanker weapon suppose to be able to do low TTK? or else why play flanker besides being a warpgate god?

might as well monkies paw it and buff assault weapons.

[short rover]

🙃 are u finally realized

[woven marsh]

?

a ravana used in a pre-made team, not randoms, i got that unlucky, that and 4 other players on my team didnt even get 1 single kill.......unlike me and one other player.

oh yeah, did i mentioned 2 of the enemy players are real players?

[calm oar]

every flanker weapons got to be 10 energy at least rn fs

to limit the defender chassis

[woeful jay]

But who uses flanker weapons on defender

It’s usually bisector/incinerator on hyper tanks

Bisector being defender class and incinerator being assault

Pretty much all the weapons defenders use are assault/defender which is fine imo

[serene basalt]

I've seen some people try to make Stormpike Bulwark work.
They didn't last long, but idk if they just got unlucky or if that says anything about the build.

I'd lean towards the build not working, since it is so reliant on the ability to reload.

[woeful jay]

Judging by how stormpike work with the quick unload i don’t think that’d be a great build since defenders are made for prolonged combat

[serene basalt]

indeed

[calm oar]

1k message wow

this thread js created a week ago

[golden glacier]

Its the power of being a T.C, you get a bonus in messages lmao

[celest tiger]

Seen a few on the field

Using the bulwark torso is a gamable cause not all fights will you fight players who know to fight it/counter the torso

[trim talon]

No hyper tank uses incinerators

[celest tiger]

just magentos and bisectors

[neon kindle]

I dont see an issue with ravana

Its the actual armour which is the problem.

[trim talon]

it isn’t actually its that combined with nanite it’s 22second cooldown ability

[uneven garden]

its kindof a combination of the relatively small profile Ravana has, its higher-than-average armor values, and its high uptime ability cycle, as well as its very, VERY good chassis energy/weight ratio that allow for equipping good weapons AND good gears. All of this makes Ravana disgustingly strong, especially if you can somehow get over its one weakness, which is movement speed, which its kinda-sorta extremely strong chassis has the fuel to make up for lmao

its never just one thing

its always all the little things that arent a problem on their own until someone throws them all onto one build and boom

[neon kindle]

So it is.

You contradicted yourself.

[uneven garden]

I contradicted myself? Did I say something earlier to contradict what I just said? I'll address that if you point to it

[neon kindle]

Apologies, i read it wrong, my mistake.

[uneven garden]

no worries 👍

[woven marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

[spark ginkgo]

things dont have to explode in less then 5 seconds

[woven marsh]

Meanwhile the flanker to the defender.

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-raiden-senator-armstrong-punching-indomitable-gif-14166479420035208375

[clever leaf]

Not just armor what many think but waisted time to explain to people

[pliant crane]

I prefer this to things not exploding the entire game

Also, if people can be exploded in 5 seconds, they might start thinking about being positioned well and actually starting to get better at the game

Cuz tanks are really really easy to use and it makes a bunch of players think they are good at the game

They dont get punished cuz they went in front of 5 enemies, they dont get punished cuz they exposed themselves to a sniper with red shoulders, they dont get punished cuz they went into an enemy warp gate alone with 3 enemies defending it.

Using tanks makes you play worse

[uneven garden]

when average ttk's are too low the game can be a little bit irritating. Like during the pursuer flamer meta. If we could find a solid middle ground between fast paced gameplay and overt punishment, that'd be nice

[pliant crane]

I agree but idk how devs will achieve this

[uneven garden]

I have no idea either

but they better do it 🗣️

Lol, jk. but I think with a major change to flanker class chassis, certain overperforming guns, and very minor here-and-there balancing, mostly within the defender class, we could get a lot closer to that by encouraging people to use faster bots, but they dont do like 150k damage in 5 seconds

[upper forge]

has anyone else though that incienerators need a nerf? i swear a 3x build can just tap me with a single hit and itll burn 25% of my armor as a flanker

its dot is nuts

[calm oar]

its the damage boost from purifier

[upper forge]

even without the boost

[calm oar]

yeah its hurt

[pure moon]

That’s cause weapon DoT has no build up. One tap from a single projectile applies full DoT damage for that weapon. It’s not that the DoT is op; it’s that the DoT application mechanic is flawed.

[calm oar]

maybe make dot slower

[upper forge]

i'd prefer the idea of the more you hit someone, the more dot that will affect them (obv capping a certain point in damage)

[pure moon]

Yeah, that’s the obvious choice, but the devs have gone a different route.

[trim talon]

They do have a somewhat slow projectile speed and short range so you kinda just abuse those weaknesses if you can

[pure moon]

I’ve made at least one or two posts about it and I think a few other people have as well. Maybe the devs plan on changing it in the future.

[trim talon]

the dot build up would be an easy change anyway since it already doesn’t start until you stop shooting

[woven marsh]

kind wish it didnt work that way

[trim talon]

It’s better that it does as long as the stacks are instant

[uneven garden]

incin players are always a pain to fight. I try to avoid them if I can. The DoT system doesn't make much sense, and really encourages a gameplay style of peeking and nicking someone with a single flame, rather than actually fighting.

[woven marsh]

idk, kinda sucks you gotta tap tap

[trim talon]

It’s just better to mag dump them

[woven marsh]

well its a pain for them too, trust me, being slow and short ranged isnt exactly fun as it used to be.

[trim talon]

Only builds that are effective to tap are flanker builds without shields

[woven marsh]

then do to huge ticks of damage the whole time, hmmm maybe.

now if onlu they can un-nerf that range....

[trim talon]

Don’t 💔

[woven marsh]

Do ❤️

[trim talon]

I beg as a incin crutch do not buff these mugs

[woven marsh]

as one as well, do

180m kinda sucks on a slow assault.

atleast for most of the maps

[trim talon]

Yeah but it’s fair

It’s literally death

Fighting one even the highest hp tanks hate it

[woven marsh]

half the maps are too open and i feel like the range incineartor originally had wasnt the problem.

[trim talon]

They also were use on flankers and not in 3s before it was never gonna be a problem before

[woven marsh]

that was justified

[uneven garden]

I run incins on a build kinda similar to your decker build. I mainly use it on spearhead but trust, the ratstrat of peek, barely light EVERYONE on fire by spamming, and hiding works 😭 😭

[trim talon]

I’m a bit direct

[uneven garden]

the DoT ticks do I think 120k-ish damage to anyone who gets nicked with them

[woven marsh]

you mean 12k?

[trim talon]

I think he means in total

I dunno about 120k tho in that regard tho

[uneven garden]

I use fuel burn, cyclops chassis, and flashbang on mine. Its a lil bit faster, lil bit squishier, and a lil bit more ratty

[trim talon]

Energy wall is my savior

[uneven garden]

When you got the chem haz and count up all the ticks I think it does close to 120k damage. I just light peeps on fire cause it does so much damage. Just light on fire and back up around the corner. Wait like 10 seconds, and repeat

i dont think that this is how the superheavy flamethrower is meant to be played, so I think they should probably rework their DoT system at some point

[woven marsh]

so in total?

[uneven garden]

im not sure how much it does in total DoT. Its alot

[woven marsh]

you dont go in the test range to see it?

[uneven garden]

I forget how many ticks it does. Its been a while since I counted

my incins do some thing like 11700 damage per tick, and they tick i think 11 times, so 128.7k damage every time I light someone on fire

[trim talon]

I only play like that when the target is already low and I don’t feel like risky damage other wise I just mag dump them to assure death because I be tapping people sometimes and they won’t die so I just don’t risk it

[pure moon]

jeez. I never sat down and thought about what it meant to have 12k dmg ticks. I've seen that number mentioned several times. Only just now realized how much damage that results in. 120k dmg from being grazed by a single flame (from each incinerator).

[woven marsh]

it can go higher then that with sora and fenrir

but as broken as that sounds, most will not survive long anyways.

[hoary bear]

inflated numbers

[uneven garden]

this is with chem haz btw

[latent thicket]

I blame power creep

I wouldn't be going tank if it wasn't for the fact that everything kills so quickly

[hoary bear]

this is tick damage with maxed incinerators with chemical hazard

[uneven garden]

mine is a little lower, Im still on level 11 with them

[latent thicket]

Imagine that on literally any other robot

Flinker dead

Assault dead

Technical

Dead

The only way to survive is to be a tank

Power creepy be crazy

[trim talon]

Well it’s a tap tho

that won’t kill anything

incinerators mag a lot of things but there are a lot of ways to play around it

And the only tanky variant is purifer but he is also really slow so easy out range (unless bro has a repulsor and really wants that cookie)

[latent thicket]

Fair

[latent thicket]

They can be scary sometimes I'm not going to lie

They can easily shut down a whole entire choke point

[trim talon]

One of the most dangerous CQC weapons

The most dangerous when it comes to taking down hp it’s just good we have competent long range weapons and the fact purifier can’t run heals with tanky parts

[woeful jay]

Really really hope they change how incinerator DOT work

So you don’t have to hit someone for 0.1s to apply the full dot amount

[latent thicket]

It's just a TTk everything is so fast

They literally only way to survive longer than you know two three seconds is to be a tank

You're either an ADHD fast robot that kills everything in less than 2 seconds or you're a tank that can actually survive longer than 4 seconds and you can actually defend yourself

And then you got the super tanks that stack up resistance and makes it so they literally cannot die and that's where the problems start really stacking is when it's involving resistance

Resistance and power creep are ripping this game part and they're putting way too much power into one player's hands in a team base 6v6

[woeful jay]

Still possible to survive just fine without tanks but takes like 4x the amount of effort and that’s in solos. . In squads everything gets worse sadly. But yeah i agree with chu. Things are so silly

[latent thicket]

I played the game like maybe 30 minutes today and that was all I can do

I haven't played this game consistently in like 2 weeks

And I as a tank player think tanks are okay it's just people stacking resistance is the biggest issue

Cuz I died just fine just like everyone else nothing crazy they got me out of position I'm dead but it doesn't matter what position you are when you have over 51% resistance cuz you were using ravana the pilot and you have nanite repair

At that point you just face tank everything not even a matriarch unless it has all of its abilities off cooldown can stop you and if you're out of position with no teammates

[calm oar]

thats extra 15%

with purifier boost itll be 45% more

[hoary bear]

yeah but i much rather use decker with nanite repair Repulsor

[idle eagle]

nerf ravana's cooldown and max hp. Nerf the effective range on bisectors a wee bit while nerfing the damage or go with Fishsticker's idea for the rebalance, I thought it was great. nanite repair's charge should be slightly increased or increase healing length but reduce healing percentage with the result being a simalar total amount of health healed but longer amount of time required to do so. for purifier my suggestion is reduce the damage buff percentage (not by that much though)and increase cooldown by 5 seconds, instead mainly nerf the hp pool down to like 75 percent of what it is but increase the speed of the legs by a bit. ive used purifier incinerator long enough to know the damage and health needs nerfing. for ceres i say reduce healing or health mainly just the health from the torso. for matriarch i completely agree just nerf swarm its area of affect is massive both vertically and horizontally and dps from said swarm is high for the other effects its doing to the enemy with the swarm

[woven marsh]

Bisector needs no more nerfs, literally good as is.

I dont want another stock mesa situation (which stock mesa sucks)

[latent thicket]

Lol

[tough hamlet]

Why does everyone keep saying purifiers damage buff is the problem when it simply is not

Its an assault bot it should do damage, but its hp should be more in line with fenrir

[pliant crane]

exactly

the dmg is disgusting yes, but it would be fine if it literally wasnt the 2nd tankiest bot in the game

ravana being 1st

[woven marsh]

I dont think purifiers hp needs a nerf, othewise so do other tansk, considering purifier us the one with an idenity crisis, with stats of a defender, besided thd shield part.

[pliant crane]

tho, i think that the ability needs a nerf OR fenrir's ability needs a buff

cuz atm purifier torso is better than fenrir torso, which i dont really agree with, but its what the majority of the players think, which i can understand

[woven marsh]

No nerf needed to both

[pliant crane]

dont worry if purifier hp gets nerfed it wont be the only tank getting nerfed

[woven marsh]

Fenrir can heal itself, purifier cant

[pliant crane]

yes ik but its like the only aspect of it. there's like 1-2 weapons that prefer fenrir over purifier and the others dont really care

I personally think that fenrir is fine as it is, but not purifier

[woven marsh]

I dont want tabks to be a slightly better then they where in season 1 and beta, ud rather they stand out and be worth it.

[pliant crane]

i dont understand the last part

you prefer them being like they are atm instead of in beta and s1 ?

[woven marsh]

I think both are fine as is, no need for nerfd, considering the track records, fenrir had way more problem causing then purifier ever will.

[pliant crane]

if its the case, its understandable so ye if they get nerfed they should be above what they were before, which is why i think they should reduce the buffs from the patch of june 17th by 50%

[woven marsh]

Correct, they where not so fantastic once upon a time.

[pliant crane]

well that means nothing, its not because an item caused problems before that it means another item doesnt need a nerf

[woven marsh]

Kinda does

Meta and all that

[pliant crane]

purifier is literally everywhere, in all lobbies

every modules of it

[woven marsh]

I been shredded to pieced by mire ferirs and purifierd, not that maximizer isnt helping, it is.

[pliant crane]

so ye it would make sense that it receives a nerf, but it wont be the only item being nerfed

ravana is def in the list

[woven marsh]

What is this? Wwr?

Literally needs no nerf as far as i can tell, as one who gives and recieves.

[pliant crane]

Its the norm to buff and nerf stuff in a pvp game

[woven marsh]

Purifier and fenrir have the same damage buff now but has a trade off for each, one can extend the ability duration by a little, the other can heal based on the damage done.

[woven marsh]

Not at wwr levels and not if there is any need to, in which there is not, thankfully.

As far as im aware, its just ravana, and skill issues.

And matchmaking problems (a tale as old as time).

[pliant crane]

You think that tanks being meta since 4-5 months is not a good reason to nerf them ? Not to the ground but to at least nerf them ?

[woven marsh]

The abilities? No

Armor? Depending on the mech.

Specific mechs? Totally

Ravana

[pliant crane]

Ok i get your point now

Which i somewhat agree

Purifier's biggest issue is its armor

[woven marsh]

No?

[pliant crane]

..

[woven marsh]

Its a slow tank that is rare, meanwhile ravana has armor of a rare while being uncommon

So ravana should get toned down, but just because purifier has an idenity crisus, doesnt mean it needs a nerf to its armor.

[pliant crane]

So now your argument is that because its rare it makes sense why its meta and it shouldnt get nerfed ?

[woeful jay]

Tis why rarities should be removed

[woven marsh]

Wouldnt that mean all cost of upgrades need to be the same for same module types?

[woven marsh]

Didnt change my opinions, just adding on., since higher rarity parts have better stats, in certain areas, sometimes.

[pliant crane]

Ok but its not a good argument

[woven marsh]

But a slow mech should be tanky, just like a fast mech is fragile, just like an assault is somewhere in between.

[pliant crane]

Rarity shouldnt have an impact on peformance in a pvp game

[woven marsh]

And it does but ravana seems to not care.

[woeful jay]

Yis

[woven marsh]

Since no uncommon had thay high of armor.

[pliant crane]

Ravana needs a nerf

Purifier's armor too

[woven marsh]

Not purifier

If for purifier, then up its speed to match other tanks for where the total armor will be nerfed to.

Monkeys paw the change.

The only problem atm is ravana

Purifier doesnt need a nerf, if the problem is a niche problem, that one effects those who cant or unable to counter the slow mech (while being the hero) that isnt as problematic, if at all, then ravana.

We might as well nerf fenrir incinerator builds while we at it, or only focus on what actually needs nerfs and not a niche problem that "need" nerfs. What is this? WWR? No i hope not, nerfs like those is one of many reasons i left after so many years.

And for the record, most of my hangar are assaults, besides ceres and if i need to use matrairch for a weekly or daily. If i can counter a problem, so can the common joe.

[woven marsh]

?

[uneven garden]

nitpicking a bit here, but fenrir has only 25% damage, unboostable or stackable from parasitic protocol or any other pilot skill. Purifier has 30% damage boost (lvl13) and additional damage stacks which take it up even further with shield cracks or kills. The damage can be boosted as well by parasitic protocol. So purifier damage boost is more potent than fenrir at this point.

[woven marsh]

i thought fenrir was at 30%?

[uneven garden]

is it? I could be wrong

[woven marsh]

and fenrir damage seems to boost with Chemical hazard for incinerator.

purifier still dont need no nerf, its just that fenrir needs a to be compatable with pilot skills if it aint already, which it seems to be atleast with chemical hazard, i believe.

though fenrir is a selfish skill can that heal itself up back to 100%, purifier cant.

actually most mechs cant do that, only a few can.

most of which are healing mechs and titans

[uneven garden]

to be fair, only certain weapons can do strong heals on fenrir. I cant heal very well with my gozers. I think fenrir is very weapon dependent, which is unfortunate.

[woven marsh]

and such weapons on fenrir are some lethal ones

[short rover]

There almost every top player agree with tank meta, whether squad or solo
Only one with skill issue is you, and your arrogant opinions are poisoning every post in there. You have never using data to persuade others, just "don't need" and " i feel good"

[woven marsh]

never said i had a skill issue?

i can deal with them?

wdym by "never using date"?

are we trying to make the game easier or harder for the average player?

what about the casuals?

im all for balance, as far as stock/factory builds go, so long as its not another mesa situation, that sock build is just screwed, cant do much besides tagging and relying on the dot, Good old raven is good example for a stock/factory build.

[trim talon]

Well tbh Fenrir needs a buff somewhere

[woven marsh]

maybe a bit longer duration of the ability, but yet again, maybe not, magneto fenrir is always to be feared with that damn maximizer.

i dont use magnetos myself, feels a bit dirty to me

[trim talon]

That would make it better with more weapons and it has a long CD and it would make bots like ares varangarin and typhon more popular cause they can counter Fenrir same for energy wall

[woven marsh]

like incinerator, because damn i can only get 1 mag full before the ability is gone

unless im just letting the DoT do the work

[trim talon]

I’m actually fine with only one mag but you usually can’t get the full heal from dot

which is most of your heals

[woven marsh]

and we still need a decker buff, but only for the casting.

[trim talon]

I mean speed it up and make hit enemies that pass through it

[woven marsh]

Like id wish it took 1 second* to get the first target, wouldnt make decker more powerful, it make it more appealing to use then letting it collect dust.

Doesnt help that your teammates cant ruin it for you and cut the cord.

[trim talon]

2 seconds is fine if it’s gonna be the “anti camper” two seconds is fair

[woven marsh]

Id still take 1 second, because it damn feels like 3 business days, id rather it be more algined with other abilities casting times, like scorpions.

[trim talon]

Well it’s more powerful than scorpion

[woven marsh]

But doesnt have a refresh and ignores shields.

[trim talon]

yeah but it has virus

[woven marsh]

And so cant be buffed by chemical hazard.

[trim talon]

it can

[woven marsh]

Really? Thats odd

[trim talon]

it’s just 1 instead 2 extra tics

[woven marsh]

Its not acid or fire

That is so odd.

[trim talon]

Probably counts as one of those just not called it as it’s still a corrosive effect

[woven marsh]

Thats a very physical virus then.

[trim talon]

but regardless the virus part of it is pretty nasty when you hit someone like a ceres or some kind of grouped up team during a team fight scorpion doesn’t work on those kind of targets at all just picks out weak ones

[trim talon]

It does it physically destroy the mech it’s like a fast acting black plague for robots

[woven marsh]

Then its a virus that cause systems to damage itself

[woven marsh]

Still decker cant refresh the ability nor does it go through shields, but thr virus only spreads to one other person, only two at a time, or so it seems at the test range.

But still id, want as close to 1 second cast time as possible and for teamates unable to cancel the ability for me.

[trim talon]

You can have 3 heavy weapons shields shouldn’t be an issue and yeah I wish teammates didn’t cancel but I’m not sure if they can fix that

[woven marsh]

Not sure what weapons have to do with it, scorpions ability still ignores shields, unlike all the other DoT mechs and weapons.

[trim talon]

Weapons are you have access to are important cause it represents your damage output and the range it is scorpion can mostly only use get in and out weapons and has to be close decker can actually use brawling weapons can out put more damage and combine that with the fact his target is mostly tanks and assaults it would be unfair for it to go through shields as it would just instant kill any low health builds though it’s already deadly against(and the ability does more damage )

[woven marsh]

Exactly, so got to buff something to make it good, say, the casting time.

[trim talon]

Yeah im just saying 1 second wouldn’t be fair 2 is perfect it’s at 3 now

Fast builds can still get away from it and tanks stay its target but it’s just more effective

[woven marsh]

not sure how it wouldnt be fair, its only for the casting time, not the spread.

id rather for less time being exposed then i have to, just to have the ability to connect.

[trim talon]

because you can’t really evade 1 second unless you have smoke screen or they use it in the worst way possible

[woven marsh]

having it to be 1 seconds doesnt change the damage or anything, it only changes the success rate, which atm is not as high as it should be

[trim talon]

1 second would make it very easy to use too easy for as punishing as the ability is

[woven marsh]

well its still longer then the others

[trim talon]

Yeah cause it’s not other abilties

[woven marsh]

correct its not the same ones

[tough hamlet]

Sorry for late reply, yes i agree fenrir needs a slight buff too

[calm oar]

This does such damage in both med and close range, although in fact it's a light class shotgun

while heavies like thunder and horde still do huge damage but only in close range

[woven marsh]

to be fair, with bisectors, you do need to be 100% accurate

[calm oar]

That's a skill issue

[woven marsh]

no?

thats just how bisector are?

[calm oar]

still a shotgun that does so well at med range

[woven marsh]

it only has a vertical spread, just like halo has a horizontal?

[calm oar]

the spread isnt that big

[woven marsh]

define big

[calm oar]

and vertically so its quite easier to do damage

[woven marsh]

you still need to have the center of the beam to hit the desired location to deal the highest potential damage

[woeful jay]

Only 25

[pure moon]

Yeah that’s kinda what everyone wants.

[woven marsh]

so then stats would even out a bit more then as well? since rarity would go away?

[pure moon]

Of course

Well, things would have to become more balanced, I should say. If any rarer items are actually better, then they would need to be toned down, but it doesn’t seem like the devs have used rarity as a basis for power.

[woven marsh]

well ravana seems to have more heatlh then any rare mech.

[pure moon]

It also has different stats compared to other mechs

1 light slot on shoulder + it takes 13 weight which is kinda heavy. Makes sense that part would have high hp. The torso is too strong tho

[trim talon]

I mean it’s giant if it didn’t get 35% percent resistance every 22 seconds it’s a purifer victim

Or any assualt that isn’t bulg or raven

[pure moon]

Is it actually a large torso? I always saw it small because I would only ever compare it to Lancelot.

[trim talon]

I mean compared to a flanker or any squishy toros yeah and if you compare it to a medium torso it’s a bit bigger but it needs lance shoulders to really hide it well

Both ceres and Ravana have pretty big heads

[latent thicket]

How Are we still discussing this

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[uneven garden]

the tanks are still meta, so we must yap

🗣️

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[woven marsh]

so what? its season 1 meta all of again but tank flavor?

[latent thicket]

Resistance is still meta

So I keep yapping

I blame power creep and resistance maxing

It just so happens that tanks are the best counter against high ttk and healing value

[spark ginkgo]

the biggest issue is that you can easily slap on high dps wearpons on tanks

[trim talon]

I mean you only got 2 options that are meta

And they both have a weakness to shields

[trim talon]

Oh yeah decker goes through all energy barriers btw

[latent thicket]

I don't see many tanks with halos

[trim talon]

Ion really agree with the ttk thing as someone who plays flankers pretty often

You have to kiss your target for halos to be effective and kill in a second

And tusks still need to be in a close proximity and while having more range have a really long reload

[latent thicket]

Well they do kill in like one second

[trim talon]

Yeah against notably weak builds or other flanker builds but those builds are meant to play careful and have tools to mitigate such things plus there’s so many defensive items in this game that non tanks can use

[twilit canyon]

Nah I disagree. Fenrir is good where its at. Preferably I would nerf it more. Your healing yourself while getting a damage boost. Vs me a purifier. I have a wee bit better damage boost that actually helps the team and only gets better dmg destroying shields or scrapping bots for the duration.
I remember it like yesterday Fenrir was out healing any dmg I was tossing in a straight fight. A buff to Fenrir? No thank you!

[pliant crane]

Fenrir definitly dont need a nerf. The healing is only great with ≈2 weapons and it has 50% less armor than purifier

Fenrir is also boosting only you and the dmg boost is not affected by stuff like parasite protocol

While purifier boost your team's dmg, gets its duration longer when you kill someone and is the 2nd bot with the highest armor in the game

Also, if you're gonna use slow builds that dont have ways to take cover yes its normal that a fenrir will be able to constantly damage you and heal himself

[uneven garden]

puri damage boost i believe Ramps up with kills/shieldcracks, up to what i believe to be near 50%, based on personal tests. It also lasts just about twice as long, and supports your allies, plus its damage buff is further boostable by parasitic protocol. Its very strong! Fenrir used to be absolutely broken, but it has definitely been balanced. Meanwhile, purifiers are thriving in the current meta.

[latent thicket]

It is broken? Because every time I seen it people always lose more HP than they gain and or I'm ripping them apart

Or I just wait for the cool down

Either they have really really weak shoulders and I just ripped them apart or I can just play around it and rip them apart afterwards

[pure moon]

If you’re talking about fenrir, I’d like to reiterate that they said it used to be broken.

[latent thicket]

Oh my bad

I'm dialectic I might have misread it

[upper forge]

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[cedar parrot]

Exactly

[upper forge]

Anytime I die to a full Ravana

[latent thicket]

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