Matchmaking platinum league

[inner fox]

I often find enemies of much higher level than mine ( I'm in platinum league ), noachum, diamond and emerald.
The gap is huge and i can't compete with them. thanks for support .

[whole ridge]

The issue of the matchmaking is already known

[inner fox]

Ok thanks.
So it's a wanted problem? I don't understand..

[whole ridge]

Idk tbh, can’t think that’s a wanted problem…
I understand the matchmaking cause there less people in the community which plays the game.
At the same time I understand that it is really unbalanced, especially if you reach platnium and then facing almost everytime players which are way higher or playing longer.

[brazen whale]

There will inescapably always be a transition point at which you go from the big fish in the small pond, to the small fish in the big pond. Platinum is a rough learning experience, but a huge amount of it comes from being unfamiliar with how the game is played in that matchmaking pool, rather than just equipment. Many tactics and strategies that work really well in the lower pool are either ineffective in the higher pool, or straight-up counter-productive.

I think that even if Platinum were move into the lower matchmaking pool, the exact same issue would just crop up in Emerald, rather than Platinum. Even if your bots are all fairly upgraded, super-meta builds, that transition of needing to significantly re-learn how to expect players (both allied and enemy) to behave is going to be an abrupt and steep shift in the learning curve.

It's not even necessarily a matter of needing to accumulate more skill- games just play out so differently in the upper pool vs. the lower pool, that the transition between them is going to be a bit of a shock no matter what.

[inner fox]

I agree with you if the marchmaking has a maximum higher league than its own.
In this case I will stay forever in the same league or lower because I would constantly lose. Strategy or not, the level affects a lot in the 1 vs 1 confrontation.
I have this post just to highlight the concept.
In any case, thank you for your interest, I hope the message reaches the programmers who I respect very much for the game created.

[brazen whale]

You can't make it where you always stay in the same league "or lower", because if you're in a lower league, that means the other guys are effectively facing off against a higher league. In a system where you never face off against a higher league, that mreans you also, since it's multiplayer game, can never face off against a lower league, either. Splitting the player base, and thus the matchmaking, into that many discrete segments would make building good matches far more difficult, as for any given league, the matchmaker would have a substantially smaller pool of players to work with.

[inner fox]

Maybe that's the reason? I think the concept of "league" has its value for this.
There are bots probably to make up for the lack of players in the aforementioned league

[brazen whale]

Bots are a pretty poor facsimile for actual players at the moment, unfortunately. In the top matchmaking pool, if a team has even a single bot on it and the other team is fully manned, the team with 5 players and 1 bot is at a pretty gigantic disadvantage. It's not a guaranteed loss of course, but if the players are remotely on the same skill level as each other, it's going to be a severely uphill battle. Fighting against bots is also a very different experience than fighting against players; there are plenty of people who very much enjoy the latter, but find no joy in the former.

[inner fox]

True, even if sometimes I find them very strong. However, the new patch indicates a bronze-gold clash, I hope they also take into consideration the other leagues.

[elfin berry]

I feel the hardest part of going platinium is that you need to accept that you will get destroyed much more easily, as you can't compete yet with the biggest players of your server.
Hence going to lose a few places on the leaderboard.

[wild creek]

The problem people face in Platinum, especially newly in Platinum is you not only upgrade level, but you upgrade to the higher tier of fights.

In Gold - You are the top bots of all the bots you face. You fight Bronze, Silver and other Golds. But you are the top level in that bracket, and you had to fight your way to the top of that bracket.

Once you go to Platinum, you jump to fight Platinum, Emerald, Diamond and Noachium. In this group, you are the lowest level of the tier, and as such are like the Bronze people you fought while Gold. You just have to climb the ranks like you did to get to Gold.

Its a big change, but with the current player base its the only two tiers we have.
Noone like the matchmaking... NOONE. Not even us in Noachium, it sucks.

[brazen whale]

Big fish, little pond -> little fish, big pond

[lavish hinge]

@brazen whale @wild creek @elfin berry
With you Noakians continuing to make such ridiculous claims, people will walk away from this game and it will never regain its popularity.
What you should have said to the developers was, "If things continue like this, people will leave, so take immediate action."
But you Noachians did nothing but frantically seek out meta builds and enjoy the carnage.
Let me just say this: Serves you right.

[elfin berry]

?

We are aware of the problem, and want things to change.

Devs are aware as well.

But @brazen whale is right, if they change the bracket, diamond and noachium will only be bot lobbies and then the current plat, that will rulle the new plat emerald bracket will complain as soon as they get to diamond.

There isn't no miracle solution I can think of, maybe you could give away ideas instead of rejecting the fault on us and point out a known issue.

[wild creek]

No, the truth is you just aren't skilled enough to climb and want to blame everyone else.
Thats not on us. Thats on you. You can always find the crybaby entitlement kids by their discord posts.
Despite all of that, most of the Noachiums that I know, and most of the top 100 that i know - are williing to help out anyone and everyone when it comes to this game. Hell I hold a weekly podcast on the game, where we go over builds, give feedback, talk tactics - you'll find the top players on the show talking about what they do. We share everything with everyone - because we want this community to grow.

NOONE - especially Noachiums like the matchmaking. Because if we six stack, we are only going to get bot matches or the same six stack every time.

Let me get you a tissue

[lavish hinge]

@wild creek
wonderful!
Thank you for that very Noachian comment.
During that stupid stream and interview, was there even a single comment that said, "Isn't this build too strong? Let's refrain from using it."?
There's no way it would come out. Not with the level of civilization that would allow a video with a title like "INSANE MASSACRE" to be posted.

[wild creek]

No, but we do tell people weak builds, and how to improve upon it.
Look I get it, you want everyone to suck so your suck isn't as obvious. Thats not what we do.

[brazen whale]

I have pointed out many perceived problems in this game, and offered many solutions. This particular problem (the transition to the top matchmaking pool from the one below it), however, is one I just don't have a solution for. I don't think the player base is big enough to split the matchmaking pool up any more than the devs already have, and moving that transition point to a different league just moves the problem, rather than fixing it. Unless the devs merge everyone into one big matchmaking pool (which I don't think would necessarily be a good idea), there will always be some point at which you go from being the big fish in the little pond, to the little fish in the big pond.

As for "doing nothing but frantically seeking out meta build"... Lol, you clearly do not know me at all, nor do you watch the gameplay videos I share. All someone being in Noachium means is that they play a lot, and are at least decent at the game. As long as you generally do alright on your team (not the bottom few positions), then you will eventually hit Noachium with enough games- no meta-slaving or bug-abusing required. You should probably get to know someone, or at least be remotely familiar with how they play, before making such sweeping generalizations about them just because of their league.

[elfin berry]

for the last part, i wanna add that in a way, we do seek build that we like and that work

Of course we won't use a build if we think it is terrible.

i won't go "oh yeah, let's fight the biggest players and meta user with a 1 weapon build just so worse player can smash me"

if you go into a game, with the will to feed the enemy using stupid builds, feel free to, but i'm pretty sure you didn't do it either when you were in the high gold bracket.

for example, @lavish hinge , i highly doubt you saw many player use this

Why ? it isn't meta, yet it works, but diclaimer, this is a skilled bot, you won't do a random push and hope you'll get out with a kill. This needs to be used strategically

WHat i've seen, is that lower league player that get to noachium run mostly snipers/artillery hangar with 1 cqb and 1 midrange fitting no modules and as many weapon as you can have

But you would be surprised that those builds are rarely used by noachiums, just because they don't work. You have damage , yeah, but this isn't a no brainer game in which you try to go as high as possible in dps : what you need is killing machine that can stay alive, not the biggest glass cannon known to man.

[elfin berry]

here is the build explained

But this didn't come in 1 thought , i work on that build (try out, changes, new content) constantly.