Suppressor reduces dmg 80%!

[wary rover]

Lv1 Suppressor test with 4x Quantum, should deal 3275x4=13100 shield dmg always
Actual deal only 2620 (20%x13100) dmg
Plus: Higher level have less reduce(?) but more duration

[errant crest]

First pic is 1 mag from the shredder bulgasari while affected by level 1 suppressor.
Listed debuff is 33%.
Second pic is 1 mag from the shredder bulgasari while affected by mesa.
Listed debuff is 30%.

[keen gull]

How do you affect yourself with your own suppressor in sim?

[errant crest]

No, I was using on the enemy bulgasari.

There are two enemy robots to my right

[keen gull]

k but the enemy bulgasari is not the one shooting you

so theres bots shooting other bots in that part of the arena?

[errant crest]

Yes

You can turn it on and off with the buttons on the wall

[keen gull]

I found data based evidence that suggests the same 80% too. Essentially, the level-specific parameter is accidentally not applying at all, leaving it default to a damage multipler of specifically 0.2x.

[keen gull]

gotchya, makes sense then

it should be a relatively easy fix that they can roll out, just need them to get eyes on the issue

[errant crest]

I'm curious how it even ended up at 80%. I could see 67-58% because the listed levels are 33-42%, so maybe the numbers were flipped somehow. But 80%? How? I need to know what they did for it to land on that number.

[clear cipher]

I just compared lvl 1, 2, 4, and 7 suppressors at "33%", "34%", "35%", and "37%" damage reduction. here's the results:

[keen gull]

Theres a default value that they fallback to incase the level-specific value doesn't work (like in this case)

If they didn't set this default value, it wouldnt do anything at all

Though Ill agree that choosing 0.2x as the default multiplier as a "fallback" is a bit egregiously overpowered hah

its definitely unintended behavior though, its called fallback for a reason

[marble thorn]

Thanks for reporting it. I'll pass it on to the devs.

[keen gull]

Hi, just friendily following up, is there an ETA on which build this fix can get rolled out on? Its pretty important given the bug can be abused for $20 right now

[marble thorn]

Hi, from what I can see, the team is still working on the bug, so I can't give you any estimate on when it will be fixed yet.

[wary rover]

[keen gull]

Anybody willing to retest if this has been patched this season?

Requires sniping a friend in a dead server to see damage numbers when you shoot them while suppressed

[errant crest]

I’m gonna check in the shooting range when I get off work.

[keen gull]

i think this will be pretty difficult to test in the sim since you cant see the bots dmg numbers

and you cant really do a ttk difference because the suppress doesnt last the full duration of your life

and it will be hard to just pick the frames that matter for health difference, compare the hp visual via screenshot, as youll need to time it against the bots reload at the same time in both With and Without suppressor

[errant crest]

It’s very simple. See how much damage a full mag from the shredder bot deals to the ally’s shield with suppressor vs with Lancelot.

You’re overthinking it.

[keen gull]

See how much damage
for starters, how

only way is to check the visual health bar

which for shields at least seems to not be linear

[errant crest]

Yeah… just see how much shield is left after 1 mag.

[keen gull]

meaning when your shields are halfway gone, the indicator doesnt look like 50% full

additionally, shredder bullets from that bot sway too much

so some bullets miss

and its inconsistent

[errant crest]

Omg… it’s accurate enough.

[keen gull]

it wont be conrete but it can help suggest its fixed or not

too many variables

[errant crest]

It was extremely obvious when I tested it before.

[keen gull]

u got a lvl1 suppress?

[errant crest]

We’re talking about the difference between 30% and 80%.

[keen gull]

ur right, that difference should be massive

[errant crest]

I could also use the orkan bot instead

[keen gull]

i think the sway will affect you more for orkan

not sure

[errant crest]

Idk what you mean.

[keen gull]

bc its aoe

it might hit 2 modules instead of 3

so less shield dmg

[errant crest]

I’m talking about using those two enemies shooting the two allies, not the arena. lol

[keen gull]

i dont think it sways much tbh but youll need to aim it against you at the exact same position in base case & test case

[keen gull]

i know

[errant crest]

You’re telling me orkan doesn’t have perfect aim?

[keen gull]

nvm, i see wym

[errant crest]

Wait. No. You’re assuming I’m the target. lol

[keen gull]

yes

so yeah i think orkan will be better

need to count how many "rounds" hit the bot though

since itll spawn at inconsistent intervals compared to when the orkan is ready to fire next shot

[keen gull]

not like thats difficult ofc but yk

[errant crest]

You’re overthinking again

[keen gull]

actually i remembered

the orkan reload is perfect in sync

with when the bot respawns

you can check because the ttk of that bot is the exact same every time

other than the first full unload ofc

but no im not overthinking, im just taking into account all variables

[errant crest]

You can stop the firing.

[keen gull]

with scientific method you need to at minimum be aware of all the differing variables

dont need to stop the firing, just need to take note of the hp after the same # of orkan rounds

from the recorded clip

rather than the same duration

[errant crest]

You don’t even have to record. Sur, you’re awesome, but you’re putting way more effort into this than is necessary.

Don’t worry about me. I’m never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever wrong.

[keen gull]

yeah a timed screenshot can work too

[errant crest]

it's still bugged

lvl 1 suppressor vs lvl 13 lancelot

[keen gull]

testing the right bot or left bot?

which ones base case?

[errant crest]

left bot. you can see the shield left after 1 mag from the shredder enemy.

[clear cipher]

@keen gull @errant crest its fixed

maxed suppressor 42% damage reduction
5089/8775 = 0.58
(1-0.58)x100% = 42%

[errant crest]

What? How? You suppressed yourself or something?

Gonna need to explain, cause that makes no sense to me.

[keen gull]

yeah how did you suppress yourself?

[clear cipher]

fish magic

[keen gull]

teLL ME

[errant crest]

Fish magic

[keen gull]

say or we no longer friends

[clear cipher]

@errant crest knows it

[errant crest]

Fish magic

[errant crest]

Fish

Magic

[keen gull]

@errant crest whisper me

or we also no longer friends

[errant crest]

You should ask @clear cipher
She knows

I am but an apprentice

[keen gull]

@clear cipher what is it

[clear cipher]

its fixed

[keen gull]

you accidentally used lance ability

it got damage reduction

[errant crest]

I intentionally used it to compare its 30% resistance against suppressor’s 33% reduction.

[keen gull]

ah I see

good idea

[errant crest]

As you can see, that’s not a 3% difference in damage. lol

[keen gull]

yeah

i couldnt get ravana's resist to apply to allies in test range

maybe its the same for lancelot?

[errant crest]

No, lancelot’s resistance applies last I checked. I didn’t think to check for this test, but it should be applying.

[clear cipher]

Since this bug has been fixed, I will be adding ✅ Resolved tag to this thread. I will soon be closing this thread due to this bug being resolved/fixed. Thank you all for your reports. If this bug arises again or a similar, please feel free to open a new thread

[keen gull]

thx for testing fishy!