slim bone
3000 armored 2000 shield
slow muzzle velocity effective range of 600 to 800
with a fire rate of 70 rpm
5 weight and 3energy
light attachment defender weapon
20 round magazine weapon with an auto reloader with 40s for a full magazine 2 seconds per round
And it would be only one barrel not two in the picture
The idea is a gun in between the punishers and the tridents that are actually useful on like the tridents but also more skillful on like the punishers
And it would be only one barrel not two in the picture
worldly skiff
I think this one could be the 5 weight version
slim bone
Yeah I guess it could be a defender class instead
I dropped the energy to 500 as well
So it's going to be a 20 weight 20 energy so maybe I should drop down energy down to like 3
worldly skiff
3 or 4
slim bone
I listed it as a defender weapon now
worldly skiff
And the mag size could be dropped too. Oh, you didn’t list it yet
slim bone
Yeah maybe like 20 rounds with a 30 second for a full magazine so 1.5 rounds per second
That's faster than the trident
worldly skiff
Well, keep the 2 sec per. I think that’s fine. Just drop the mag to 20-ish. That drops the total unload from 60 to 30 sec and reload from 80 to 40 sec.
slim bone
Yea
west bolt
3000 armored 2000 shield
slow muzzle velocity effective range of 600 to 800
...
Looks like the tempest
I like it
slim bone
Looks like the tempest
The idea is one heavy barrel not two btw
slim bone
It'd be kind of like an upsized rail gun but actually useful
That would shoot more traditional rounds than electromagnetic
west bolt
Slightly altered tempest?
slim bone
I guess
I guess the best example would be like the Titan weapon but slower shooting
The alpha
More drop to the round
You know would be a cool function as if you're running four of them they will automatically offset from each other so when you're shooting they oscillate
I feel that be super satisfying
Like by default if you're running any more than one one gun there would oscillate
worldly skiff
I want to make a post for tempest, but it would end up being the same thing just with more weight and damage.
slim bone
Maybe
It wouldn't be a bad thing like I said we need more classic ammunition guns
And they could put the story as they found them on Old Earth or whatever
And that they retrofitted for robots
worldly skiff
They came across an old AA cannon and said “I want that” and now we have tempest. :D
slim bone
Yes
"some people run them because they like big guns some run them because it reminds them of the old Earth and the dreams that they used to have on it"
slim bone
Idk
worldly skiff
Btw, if this was to be converted into the tempest:
6k armor damage & 3.5k shield damage
600-800m range (unchanged)
70 rpm (unchanged)
7 weight & 4-5 energy
Heavy attachment
20 round mag with continuous 2 sec reload per round (unchanged)
slim bone
The problem is that the idea is that you can run four of them so with 6K armor you be doing 24,000 damage per shot
worldly skiff
heavy attachment
3 max, and the weight is pretty brutal. 5 energy would take up basically all of your energy capacity, too
slim bone
I kind of wanted it to be a light attachment
Kind of like how the current shotguns are
worldly skiff
That’s why I said if it was converted into the tempest. Those are the stats I would use for a heavy version
slim bone
Oh
tribal vapor
Really nice idea. I think another defender class heavy weapon with such specs would be a nice addition to the game.
Plus i think it matches the theme of how huge war robots could use heavy kinetic guns to defend a position
slim bone
Plus i think it matches the theme of how huge war robots could use heavy kinetic...
I just want more classic ammo type of guns
We have so many electromagnetic guns it's not even funny
I want my big slow firing guns
And my hope is to one day get a gun like this and the game so I can build it with my ceres torso to make a robot I really liked
slim bone
Plus i think it matches the theme of how huge war robots could use heavy kinetic...
Reminds me of a battleship
Something to properly defend an anchor appoint
||and they could add shells to the game so every time you shoot it you see a big ass shell fly off to the side of your robot||
zenith lantern
The problem is that the idea is that you can run four of them so with 6K armor y...
If you want 4 of the weapon to be used on a defender bot you'd have to list the weapon as 4 waight 4 energy or 4 waight 5 energy if you sacrifice gears, overall though your idea is nice.
However, I dont think 2 sec per round is reasonable as you'd get 17s of sustained fire but than have to wait 40s to fully reload, might I suggest an auto relode of 4 ammo every 2.5s to give it a more balanced downtime of 12.5s
zenith lantern
Btw, if this was to be converted into the tempest:
6k armor damage & 3.5k shield...
At 7 waight and 5 energy you'd only be able run 2 heavy Tempest on any stock build. This would only really enable 2 stock builds; stock bulwark and stock Siren (which could run 2 heavy Tempest and 1 light Tempest going on the statistics so far). If you made it 5 waight 5 energy ish you could run it on most stock assalt robots aswell providing more utility to the weapon in other builds.
slim bone
If you want 4 of the weapon to be used on a defender bot you'd have to list the ...
Well the vertical shotguns that came on a new healing torso are 4 weight 7 energy and work just fine on a assault build
You just a little limited on your supply and cycle gear
zenith lantern
Well the vertical shotguns that came on a new healing torso are 4 weight 7 energ...
That's fine but than you can only run 3 of these on any defender bot meaning you couldn't run 4 of them on griffin or lancelot (of which would look cooler with 4 of these Tempest weapons)
slim bone
To my excuse I'm not particularly good that designing guns I've never done this before so
I think the stats are good I just don't know what a good weight or energy cost would be
zenith lantern
The stats seem fine (their are some things that come to mind) and you've come up with a good idea and presented a good template for your idea all the same, just consider how the robots you can and can't use it on
Also, why would the weapon only be 1 barrel? 2 barrels looks really cool
slim bone
Also, why would the weapon only be 1 barrel? 2 barrels looks really cool
Because one barrel looks really cool and would fit on a light attachment
Which would give you the ability to pitch your heavy gun version as the two barrel version
You literally get two versions of the same gun for two different types of builds
Some would call that lazy I call it freedom of choice
zenith lantern
I think the stats are good I just don't know what a good weight or energy cost w...
As an analysis of the weapons statistics a level 1 rampant works as a good comparison as they both have a rate of fire of about 70 and have a slow projectile speed and are both hard hitting 'artilery' weapons.
Due to the blast of rampant is does 5,800 sheild damage per shot and 8,766 armor damage (if its a direct hit and at optimal range) totaling to 34,800 sheild damage and 52,596 armor damage from a full 6 round magazine
'Light Tempest' (assuming it wouldn't do any blast damage) would do a total of 40,000 sheild damage and 60,000 armor damage of a full 20 round magazine which is within reason and presents they do similar damage.
But, rampant fully relodes in 15.12 s light Tempest would take 40s to relode just to do similar damage to rampant sugesting it is underpowered.
From this you could lower the ammo and increase damage by quite a bit or you can alter its reload speed/amount (i.e 2 ammo/2.3s as an example)
zenith lantern
Because one barrel looks really cool and would fit on a light attachment
Fair enough,
slim bone
The light version would not do explosive damage
You also have to keep in mind that you will be loading more rounds in as you're shooting
So it won't even be 20 it'll be like 30 rounds cuz you'll be reloading as you're shooting
You have 20 total but you have a usable 30 before you start having to wait
From a total of 20 rounds to empty you have generated 10 rounds that can continue to be used until it is actually empty and you have to wait 2 seconds
past path
Im adamant this concept requires its own model and name.It strays much too far from tempest, and is visibly an autocannon considering its small barrel, ejecting ammunition etc.The general design is also considerably different from a flak cannon.
The concept in itself is fine but it deserves its own model/name
slim bone
It was just meant to be an example
I also haven't decided a name
And I would agree it would be more of an autocannon
Maybe the big version will be more artillery
past path
I also haven't decided a name
Perhaps it could be named Rive.
slim bone
Yea
past path
The words meaning would work well in comparison to the weapon.
zenith lantern
So it won't even be 20 it'll be like 30 rounds cuz you'll be reloading as you're...
True, you would get about 8 extra round as you are firing which makes the sustained fire last 24s and the damage now 84,000 armor damage and 56,000 sheild damage.
But rampant also gets 2 extra shots whilst firing giving it 46,400 sheild damage and 70,128 armor damage.
So overall your right in saying that '"Light Tempest" does some more damage but its relode is over twice as long
slim bone
Which is a sacrifice you can trade for
Do you want the light version of the gun that takes long to reload because it only has one barrel cuz it also shoots slower because of that or do you want the heavy version that has two barrels so it can shoot twice as fast and has a fixed reload rate which are also give it the ability to be used with the ammo fabricator
Because after testing if you have an auto reloader it does not speed it up if you used it ammo fabricator
And with that damage you can also eat through someone's shield and possibly kill them if they're running flanker shoulders or anything really under 50,000
zenith lantern
Ammo fabricator does work on auto reloading weapons, for example when used with thunder the ammo will we generate at the same time as its rate of fire.
The Light Tempest is good for sustained fire but that become redundant when you consider that it takes 4 times as long to do a similar about of damage as a rampant (rampant sustains damage for about 6s for its 8 rounds and light Tempest sustains damage for 24s for its 28 rounds).
This also means that to eat through sheild and armor you'd have to hit all those 28 shots over the corse of 24s whereas either rampant you'd only have yo land 8 shots over 6s.
slim bone
Ammo fabricator does work on auto reloading weapons, for example when used with ...
Didn't work on the grenade launcher
Weird
zenith lantern
Didn't work on the grenade launcher
Magnito?
zenith lantern
They go up and then down
Gemini?
slim bone
Imagine that the ammo fabricator made fire rate faster
zenith lantern
Magneto is an artilery weapon which shoots grenades
slim bone
Sticky grenades
zenith lantern
Yes
slim bone
The one that literally shoots grenades upwards that ark downwards
zenith lantern
Tusk?
slim bone
No.....
slim bone
I don't know the names I'm too tired
worldly skiff
At 7 waight and 5 energy you'd only be able run 2 heavy Tempest on any stock bu...
You can’t just reduce the weight to 5. You would have to reduce the damage and/or increase the energy as well, which I really don’t want to do. It’s supposed to be a super heavyweight autocannon; basically a double barrel trident. It’s not meant to be easily accessible to all mechs, which is still kinda is if you customize your mech instead of using stock builds.
zenith lantern
You can’t just reduce the weight to 5. You would have to reduce the damage and/o...
Fair. However, a consequence of this will be that it will only be used in 3s as using 2 would be underpowered (likable to how you will only see triple trident builds) resulting in the weapons usage being niche relegated to only mixed triple heavy fenrer and Purifier builds or even more niche mixed triple heavy Cyclops and Harpy builds.
zenith lantern
I don't know the names I'm too tired
Did you figure out what weapon you were referring to?
slim bone
Did you figure out what weapon you were referring to?
No
zenith lantern
I have no face weapon to compare it to work represent
I've taken the liberty of comparing your weapon concept to rampant
zenith lantern
I'm busy at moment so thx for helping me
No problem, happy to help.
slim bone
I've taken the liberty of comparing your weapon concept to rampant
What weapon is that
zenith lantern
What weapon is that
Mortar weapon
slim bone
Ahh
low atlas
hey, finally a proper use for fury! 🫵
slim bone
hey, finally a proper use for fury! 🫵
What
You're telling me using the spotting torso and hiding behind cover the whole game isn't the properties for it?
low atlas
that's the orochi, the fury gives you 70% ammo refill
slim bone
Lol
slim bone
Bump
west bolt
We have so many electromagnetic guns it's not even funny
I really want like a proper kinetic bullet shooting weapon (ik there’s punishers)
zenith lantern
I really want like a proper kinetic bullet shooting weapon (ik there’s punishers...
slim bone
Bump
zenith lantern
Bump
zenith lantern
Bump
zenith lantern
Bump