#Rebalance League Matchmaking

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lavish current
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My friend got forced into Platinum from the bonus League points event, and is now a Platinum, constantly upset about having to match tons of Noachiums all the time, and losing almost every match. Platinum shouldn't even be ABLE to match Noachiums imo. It should be like this:

[ bronze ]
[ silver gold platinum ]
[ emerald diamond noachium ]

Maybe even separate Noachium so the best only match the best.
[ noachium ]

It's one thing if you're in a crew and you're low League and your team is high League, but my friend is playing matches solo, and matching Noachiums all the time as a Platinum, and is very close to quitting playing due to getting stomped to bottom of the board of running out of robots. I see many similar complaints on this Discord, so perhaps the matchmaking should be readjusted and more strict when solo queueing, or queueing with similar lower League ranks.

weak elbow
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I think the only way out of this given the amount of players would be a skill based matchmaking that would split the queues and allow you to team up with lower friends as it would impact the other team but we will see what the devs do.

lavish current
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It needs something. I understand the game needs more players, but people are constantly quitting playing either out of frustration or boredom of repetition. If my irl friend leaves, then probably all 4 of us will stop playing too, since we will go back to other games we played before. I really like WRF. We all think it's a fantastic concept. It just maybe needed some more polish before releasing.... Maybe in 6 months the game will be better, if people decide to give it another chance. Idk. I am Noachium, but I only play because my irl friends asked me to play with them.

weak elbow
whole sandal
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I would be so board if I played only Noachiums. Most of them got here by farming bot matches and they aren't good.

lavish current
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"I would be bored if I couldn't bully new/bad players" -Artacool

whole sandal
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Like holy crap! How did you misunderstand what I said so bad?

lavish current
# whole sandal "Reading comprehension isn't my strong suit." -Mhx Air

Says the guy that can't spell "bored". Your argument is that you'd rather fight people that barely played the game, than people that played the game a lot. Doesn't matter if they fought bots or not. They have a lot more time played and a lot better mechs by the time they get to Noachium.

whole sandal
lavish current
# whole sandal Barely played the game!?! Where are you getting that from? When did I say anythi...

You're having an emotional meltdown over claiming Noachiums shouldn't go against Noachiums, because allegedly most Noachiums are somehow worse than Platinums. Therefore, you want to fight people below Noachium, because people above Emerald are WORSE than people that just started the game? This is projection, and also absurd. That's wild mental gymnastics. There is no way that people that are Gold, Platinum, or Emerald, are so much better than Diamond and Noachium. They have far less time played and far less upgraded mechs. You're making no sense.

whole sandal
lavish current
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It takes a minimum of 179 MVP matches to get to Noachium at 14 points per MVP. There is no way that people with way less matches or way worse rankings are better if they don't MVP or win matches. You're mental bro.

whole sandal
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You don't understand how they farm trophies from bots then. Its my mistake. I assumed you knew what I was talking about. You don't know enough to understand what I was referring to.

It still doesn't explain how you just made up an argument I didn't even say. 🤷‍♂️

somber igloo
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Someone stepped on a landmine yikes.

I'm gonna be honest, crossplay-off bot farming is a huge thing. I turn crossplay off to do dailies when I have like 30 minutes to play, and I get matched against some high rank people in decent sized groups. That's on PC too which has the smallest playerbase

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I think the highest rank I remember was emerald and they charged at me with 25% shield, half hp, in a sniper bot vs my flamer bot. Immediately left after that.
Can't say if it was a dumb move into a RQ or if they also were just daily farming and went out in a blaze of glory once their last quest finished

lavish current
# whole sandal You don't understand how they farm trophies from bots then. Its my mistake. I as...

I literally said it doesn't matter if they farmed bots or not. The average Noachium player has way more play time and earned way more coins, so they have way better upgraded mechs. Are you dense, or do you not understand that having more experience and having more credits means they're going to have an advantage over people that have less play time and less upgraded mechs? More matches = more money. More impact points = more money. You could claim someone like KingSlime #1 on the top 100 is the worst player in the game, if you wanted, but at the end of the day, he has significantly more play experience and significantly higher upgraded mechs, if not entirely maxed out at 12 or 13 for his entire bay. Go ahead and claim literally everyone in the top 100 is straight garbage with worse mechs than compared to a Gold or Platinum that just started playing. You'll look super intelligent.

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I don't care if someone played for all 3 months against 100% only bots to get 10,000+ trophies. They have substantially more play experience and earned currency to upgrade their mechs and pilots. End of story.

somber igloo
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to be fair, beating up bots all day only can give you so much actual game experience

lavish current
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I mean, the only major difference between bots and players is that good players will notice and attack you invisible, and real people squad up and attack you in groups. Otherwise, 300+ matches is 300+ matches. Tons of time to get to learn the weapons, try out different builds, get good at movement controls, surviving, playing the objective, learning which mechs are weak or strong in what areas, engaging with the community, learning the changing metas, etc. Depending on how much time you play per day/week, or how competent you are, you could hit Noachium in one month, or still not reach it in 3+ months. Either way, people are ranked based on how many matches they have played, and their performance, which gives them coins, which they use to upgrade mechs, xp to upgrade pilots, and dailies for intel. Lower ranks like Gold and Platinum generally should not have the same amount of time played as Noachium. If they do, then they're probably just really bad, and deserve to stay at a lower league.

Here's the point though: If Noachium players are bad because they played mainly against bots, then they should suffer by playing only other Noachium players, until they derank back to where they belong. There is no logical reason that low ranks below Emerald should be regularly matching Noachiums. Emerald, maybe Diamond, but not Noachium. You have a general idea how long an Emerald or Diamond has played, but a Noachium is anywhere from 2400-40,000+ trophies. You simply cannot compare them to Gold and Platinum.

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I originally said Emerald, Diamond, and Noachium should match, but the purpose of the argument for Noachium matching Noachiums only was more based on matching people based on their relative play time and trophy count. If they are below 4000, it's more reasonable to match them with Emerald and Diamond that have ~2000. However, the top 100 are all far above 8000. There needs to be some kind of higher league or queuing system for people that have way too much play time, compared to people barely starting

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Why should someone with ~1000 trophies be matching people with nearly 10x their play time, experience, and upgrades?

weak elbow
# lavish current I mean, the only major difference between bots and players is that good players ...

I do agree that number of trophies not being a good indicator of the players true skill shouldn't deter us from using it as such as if it was to be used this way people that got there only because of bot abuse but are bad would then derank to their actual level.
And I would rather the player that cheated the game to habe it easy to have an adaptation période to a gamedesign change than the new player that could expend the playerbase

whole sandal
whole sandal
# weak elbow I do agree that number of trophies not being a good indicator of the players tru...

The bot farmers and players thay get carried by a squad get caught into a cycle. They end up much higher rank that their skill level and are usually on the bottom of the scoreboard each game. Which even with a positive win rate, is still net negative trophies. So they have to go back to bot farming for getting squad carried to boost their rank back up.

Unfortunately, I feel like many of them quit the game because I don't see them on much anymore. They ruined their account and can't hang in their knew rank. Which is bad for a game trying to grow their player base.

whole sandal
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This just isn't true for two reasons.

  1. A soldier that has 10000 hours at the shooting range/simulator isn't better than one with 1000 real combat hours. The skills don't translate. It's not even comparable. Someone playing bots, just can't learn the skills to play other high level players. And it is VERY obvious when playing against the bot farming players. Not only did they not learn essential skills (like knowing when to engage/retreat, when to use their gear, which enemies to focus, etc.), they learned bad habits (like spawning and charging in, pushing into the enemy spawn, spamming all their gear, focusing on ending the game as fast as possible, etc) which the bots don't punish them for, but other high ranking players will. They are usually either the first to get bot'ed out. The only time it's hard to tell is if they farmed bots is if they are using Vortexes or Norciums since they don't really require any skill or game knowledge whatsoever.

  2. It also doesn't mean they have more gold. You don't have to actually finish the bot matches to get trophies. You are automatically ranked above the bots even if you didn't do anything. So they can just join bot matches, play one bot to put their team in the lead, then leave. Or if their team has another human against all bots they can just leave immediately assuming the player will win the match. This will give them trophies but not much gold (because gold is based on impact which they didn't get). This doesn't give them much gold or play experience.

zenith whale
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Hello everyone,
Thanks for all your feedback, it really helps us shape the game. I want to address some of the concerns you’ve mentioned.

  • Based on player feedback, we will no longer hold League events.
  • The team is also working on long-term improvements to matchmaking and will share more details once we’re ready to reveal our plans.
  • With the start of Season 2, ranked degradation will be introduced, so players will move down in rank. We’ll be sharing more details on these changes soon.