Upgrading cost is too high!

[hasty jay]

Why does it cost so much material to upgrade weapons and bots? Also the stats you get pre level are really low.

[uncut thicket]

Because it's a game that takes time to play...and to grind. This isn't World of Warcraft, where they hand you all the gear and only takes a day or two to get max level.

By locking upgrades behind a timegate....ie: daily quest intelligence points, it knocks the game out of the pay to win bracket. Sure, you can purchase a ton of scrap and credits, but can only upgrade items so far without running out of intelligence points.

[torn lichen]

You could have a thousand other ways that knock it out of that bracket. You could reward intel per game for example.

Time gating is never a fun mechanic. The people who pay can still get massively ahead of people who don't. Intel is just a chore to keep people logging in everyday cause fomo.

If you you play the game more you should be rewarded not told sorry you can't progress because arbitrary time gates. Having to wait a week to upgrade a single piece is asinine.

[hasty jay]

@uncut thicket If that's true then why is there an option to buy the material with real money.

[uncut thicket]

You can't purchase the Intelligence, the blue currency, it's only earned through daily and weekly quests.

[hasty jay]

Ik

[hasty jay]

Games die fast when it's hard for new players to compete with other players if it takes them over a month to upgrade. They just won't play the game.

[quiet harbor]

Premium time gives you more quests, meaning more intel, not to mention more replacements in case you get bad or uncompletable quests.

[uncut thicket]

I've never had a bad or uncompleteable quest. Normally the dailies are completed within an hour or two of gameplay. I've never refreshed quests. Premium should give more, but it's only 20 points of intelligence per day.

[quiet harbor]

You also get a third weekly quest with premium. As for uncompletable, yesterday I got one that required a Siren or Typhon torso, neither of which are unlocked at my level yet.

[uncut thicket]

Replacement job?

Last tutorial job is Fit for Fury, requires a Fury torso, didn't complete it till several days after reaching level 80, had to craft it from blueprint.

[vast wadi]

If anything time gating prevents everyone in Noachium from one-shotting you.

People in Noachium play far more than any other segment of players. Removing intel would make it completely p2w.

Im in Noachium myself and I only have 1 or 2 level 12 items. I have 60,000 credits from just playing. Remove intel and I will max out all of my strongest bots.

Doesn’t sound like something new players want to compete against. Considering matchmaking contains players from every league.

[torn lichen]

The upgrades provide negligible buffs to damage nobody is one shotting with anything at 13.

Even if that was the case the fact that noachium play more than everyone means those players will have level 13 bots much much sooner than the average player because time gating means that normal players will miss a lot of intel because they aren't playing everyday. Not to mention new players will be ridiculously far behind everyone and it will take weeks or months to catch up.

Finally people who play a lot will never be fighting bronze or silver players anyway due to the ranking system.

Make the currency earnable but not time gated. If you play more you earn more simple as. We shouldn't be held back because of arbitrary time gates on when we are allowed to progress.

If they're worried about p2w they should remove the ability to purchase all currency. Intel is a terrible excuse because p2w people are still able to get a massive advantage through scrap which takes forever to earn.

[hollow vector]

Totally agree upgrading costs are ridiculous once you pass the level 5

[hasty jay]

Without the premium you get like 80 currency

[vast wadi]

You make a good point. Someone posted another thread about how long it actually takes to level up all of your gear and it was estimated to take like 2 years+ so I definitely retract what I previously said.

There should definitely be ways to gain intel aside from challenges.

I suggested a daily 3-5 matches where intel is gained. I think another good option for less active players is to allow stacking dailies/weeklies up to a certain point (maybe until each season milestone).

Might have to be in sections though cause I feel like 4 weeks of challenges could be completed in 5 matches if all gained progress at the same time.

[hasty jay]

I did the math and it will take you 1 year to fully upgrade 3 bots with 5 light weapons. Thats doingvall the bounties everyday 365 days a week. That's dumb af

[hollow panther]

salvage aside (we need to standardize those store packs, why are there 'bad' packs that have 40-60% conversion rate LOSS compared to other packs?) the intel mechanic is just a huge FOMO tactic (don't stop playing or you fall behind).

Play everyday or you miss out on valuable upgrade currency. As others pointed out it takes you at least 2 weeks of quests (with premium, never bothered to calculate without) to upgrade a common gun to max. I think uncommon/rare is a 25-50% cost increase. Torsos also cost more than weapons to upgrade. Your average player will drop the game long before they even bring an entire bot to level 5, nevermind spending upwards of a year leveling that one bot up to max

[hasty jay]

The Puifier in the store now costs 10,560 credits and changes in 22 hours. Who tge hell can get that amount in that amount of time if they wanted to? There currency system is completely unbalanced. Even when you level up to get the blueprint it's using salvage that's hard to get

[hollow panther]

it's because they monetize every currency and once again FOMO you to "not miss this great robot piece and just buy credits with warpreels"

[misty crow]

Or just save some

[fair siren]

Yes have about 12k in the pot for good deals.

[misty crow]

I’m just leveling up until I can get my own

[hasty jay]

Otger games that have competitive like COD don't have this problem and there xp and upgrade system works. My games needs to take notes. There doing too much

What makes this a huge problem that's going to happen. Is there going to nerf a bit or weapon and your mats were wasted

[vast wadi]

Well if you invest all your resources into equipment that is fundamentally broken like a Siren/Orkan build, then yeah it will probably be nerfed.

[hasty jay]

And that's why it's too expensive.

[hasty jay]

What is the fastest way you can get salvage?

[hollow panther]

pray to the shop that it doesn't give you one of the bad-conversion salvage packs.
or just swipe credit card

[quiet harbor]

The bad conversion packs really shouldn't exist at all, they got no reason to be here besides trolling us

[hollow panther]

it exists to monitize the currency like I was joking around with "swipe credit card"

either wait forever for a "good" pack to pop up in the store naturally or waste all your credits buying the packs that have a 60% conversion loss in comparison. Plenty of people have suggested different ways of converting credits to salvage in a non-lossless way but it's up in the air if the devs will implement it and possibly lose out on people buying salvage due to the terrible way it's implemented

[misty crow]

Isn’t it normal for smaller amounts to have less conversion rate?

Buy it in bulk=savings

[quiet harbor]

In the real world, that exists because of economies of scale that allow things to be produced cheaper in high quantities. In this game, these are fake digital items that can be produced infinitely forever for free.

[hushed dragon]

I get frustrated when I run out of Intel but I'm glad it's that way so people dont just max everything out

the only players you have to worry about are the utube players they can because they get free resorses and they are already maxed out

[hasty jay]

At the end of the day. If we all played with all the weapons and armor maxed out it will come down to skill. Other competitor pvp games have that and the win comes down to skills and the loadout of your team. There honestly just doing this to get paid. Just charge us for cosmetics and just let us upgrade the weapons by xp and not currency. Or both. Like xp to a certain level then pay intel

[hushed dragon]

If you say so

[hollow panther]

What do you mean "if you say so" if everyone had equal gear it'd boil down to skill, there's no debate on that 🤣

[potent plaza]

I disagree topic creator. Progress is good enough. That means any player can choose their own progress way.

But it's good idea to increase progress for new players.

[uncut thicket]

Normal players can play everyday, they just don't invest 8+ hours per day farming scrap for upgrades. You can be a normal player and get your dailies completed within a few matches...an hour, maybe two of playtime. Those people you claim are P2W, have hundreds of thousands in scrap, they are unable to spend it without intel....even if they purchase it for real money, the intel holds them back. That, and they negligible buffs to damage, nobody is one shotting anything at 13....Fenrir torso with triple trebs can and does one shot mechs with full shields...depending on the type of mech. The cooldowns on ammo and gear make their downtime regening shields or waiting for CDS much shorter, meaning they can kill faster with level 13 equipment.

[uncut thicket]

Save credits for a couple days and hope something good shows up in the shop.