Instant shield break, up to 6 seconds of freeze, and on an extremely short cooldown that is fired with an extremely fast projectile that has a large blast radius, this thing is blatantly unfair, and conveniently part of the 30 dollar starter pack, out of all the P2W arguments, this thing takes the cake
#Nerf siren
cloud jackal
stray stump
I mean you can craft siren pritty easyly once you hit level 80
cloud jackal
I mean you can craft siren pritty easyly once you hit level 80
"Just hit level 80" yea man, lemme go grind another 30 hours while I get instakilled by siren setups the entire time to finally have it myself, what a great idea
hexed meadow
It’s a rare torso meanwhile if constantly have momentum you can get frozen and still move and when you get frozen by a sniper don’t stare at him being still spin around because you spread the damage all around (ridiculous yes) it works because of how the game mechanics for killing mechs work
I will say the orkin one clip meta with siren is busted sense you die regardless but that is because of the weapon more than the torso certain weapons need a weight reduction and weight increase instead of damage nerfs to balance out how many you can carry
That would be better for people that invested time (salvage and intel) into a weapon then getting butchered by the developers
cloud jackal
It’s a rare torso meanwhile if constantly have momentum you can get frozen and s...
The turning doesn't work vs any height advantage, which even on flat ground can be gained via jumping.
Even if this does work, do you seriously not realize how broken a torso is that it just forces you to not be able to fight back, and instead have to turn away for the opponent in a struggle to even survive
You never actually beat a siren player, you survive encounters with them at absolute best, that's not fun or interesting game design
hexed meadow
The turning doesn't work vs any height advantage, which even on flat ground can ...
That’s same function as the harpy torso
hexed meadow
The turning doesn't work vs any height advantage, which even on flat ground can ...
To say that it’s broken when harpy torso basically does the same thing and then scorpion torso will be basically the same thing as well
What’s broken are the time to kill weapons that take less than 6 seconds to kill like one clip orkins rockets and harpy torso incinerator one clips people
cloud jackal
Harpy torso is a far more inconsistent, slower projectile, and does not freeze you for 6 seconds, and maybe does 75% of your shield or 35% of a parts HP
hexed meadow
Siren punisher is strong if you get frozen in the open and beams in the leg
cloud jackal
It's strong, but it's not a guaranteed kill
You can't just fire a harpy at 300 meters and score a guaranteed kill
hexed meadow
It's strong, but it's not a guaranteed kill
There’s a pilot that give 15% Corrosive damage and 15% longer burn
I’ve had 16k tick damage with harpy incinerator build
rocky estuary
I’ve had 16k tick damage with harpy incinerator build
Its a high risk high reward build, siren ain’t
cloud jackal
I’ve had 16k tick damage with harpy incinerator build
That's still spread across the entire build, so like, 3.5k DOT per second on a part
Significantly different from throwing an instant shield break, and then 80k damage on a part within 4 seconds
rocky estuary
Harpy can’t kill you from a safe distance
hexed meadow
Yes it can
cloud jackal
Harpy incin also locked to like, 150 meters, and still needs a shield break before it does real damage
Siren does the shield breaking for you, free of charge
rocky estuary
Deflecting the issue frfr
It would be much more balanced if instead of freezing you it did a slow down freeze effect, like 70% slow down that scales with upgrades or just have it accumulate over time once it hits you then it freezes you in place, would give players more time to react.
hexed meadow
It would be much more balanced if instead of freezing you it did a slow down fre...
Again that depends on your movement if your constantly moving when you get frozen you still carry momentum
rocky estuary
Again that depends on your movement if your constantly moving when you get froze...
Ain’t really a valid argument, good siren players just wait for you to be out of boost or not moving
cloud jackal
Harpy does not be doing allat
cloud jackal
Again that depends on your movement if your constantly moving when you get froze...
You can't keep moving forever
rocky estuary
What’s broken are the time to kill weapons that take less than 6 seconds to kill...
Either way, if the siren doesn’t kill you their teammates do.
cloud jackal
I like how all of the arguments in favor of siren has been "if you do this, you can survive it maybe"
When do we ever kill the siren
🙂↕️
hexed meadow
Harpy does not be doing allat
That’s a lot of damage with just a harpy torso
rocky estuary
That’s a lot of damage with just a harpy torso
Ain’t no way
cloud jackal
Yellow legs when fired from a safe distance, yes
Harpy isn't guaranteeing a kill though
hexed meadow
That’s one harpy torso imagine a team with 5 harpy’s
cloud jackal
That's also with help from incin DOT
cunning wasp
Skill issue
cloud jackal
That’s one harpy torso imagine a team with 5 harpy’s
Alot of people already run harpy
rocky estuary
That’s one harpy torso imagine a team with 5 harpy’s
A team of 5 sirens is so much worse
cloud jackal
So not a crazy concept
hexed meadow
Siren you still need the damage to kill them
rocky estuary
They can chain freeze
hexed meadow
That’s chain cc needs nerf yes but that’s it
cloud jackal
Siren you still need the damage to kill them
Which you can get easily because they have no shield and they can't move
🙂↕️
You are shooting fish in a barrel
cunning wasp
You are shooting fish in a barrel
We can't all win, so yeah, accept it 😆
rocky estuary
Harpy does not be doing allat
Like there is no way you're actually trying to argue that this is on par with harpy torso as an issue.
Its like a night and day difference
cloud jackal
We can't all win, so yeah, accept it 😆
The shameless p2ws really are the worst huh
cloud jackal
Like there is no way you're actually trying to argue that this is on par with ha...
Can literally see the harpy and siren diff in this clip
Lmao
rocky estuary
Can literally see the harpy and siren diff in this clip
For real lmao
cloud jackal
Both at the same time
rocky estuary
Like, bro died before the pilot even finished saying "movement impaired" 😂
cloud jackal
Siren even hit your teammate next to you with that btw
rocky estuary
Its ridiculously broken and defending it against a slight nerf is crazy
cunning wasp
Like there is no way you're actually trying to argue that this is on par with ha...
Jokes a part, in this video you first get shield dmg from the harpy, then with the low shield left you have got attacked from back with the siren.
cloud jackal
cloud jackal
Jokes a part, in this video you first get shield dmg from the harpy, then with t...
Harpy shield damage didn't really matter, siren would have done full shield damage anyway
rocky estuary
Jokes a part, in this video you first get shield dmg from the harpy, then with t...
It wouldnt have mattered if shields were full, siren 1 shots shields
rocky estuary
You should've hugged the wall more 🤓
hexed meadow
You pushed the wrong guy
Either way that was a bad push regardless wasn’t even in flamethrower range your just trying to get tick damage
cunning wasp
It wouldnt have mattered if shields were full, siren 1 shots shields
Well yeah probably, but the attacker would have killed you anyway with that set up without siren
hexed meadow
I would’ve pushed the guy on the rock using my fuel to jump over him
Siren isn’t what’s one clipping you it’s orkin rockets if you nerf siren they will just use orochi torso
cloud jackal
Orochi torso doesn't lock them in place though, and it has a minimum range
This is just bad faith argument made by siren users man
rocky estuary
takes 5-7 business days to get there too lmao
rocky estuary
Well yeah probably, but the attacker would have killed you anyway with that set ...
yeah no
hexed meadow
Good orochi players use it in the right moments
cloud jackal
Orochi also doesn't have a weapon slot, reducing the damage by 20%
cloud jackal
Good orochi players use it in the right moments
I don't care how good the orochi player is, they still aren't freezing me for 6 seconds
Also you said it yourself, orochi players have to wait for the right moments
As opposed to siren where you just fling it out and get easy value without thinking
cunning wasp
Well, maybe at level 1 it could freeze for few second less, but can't change completely the torso ability. We can't expect all robots to adapt to our playstyle to be beaten.
cloud jackal
It needs to lose the shield nuking entirely
And then maybe a 20% reduction in freeze time
hexed meadow
You can’t just fling it and get kills unless you have the weapons that have fast kill times
cloud jackal
You can’t just fling it and get kills unless you have the weapons that have fast...
So you mean the weapons that people use siren with
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Even if you are for some reason using siren with bad weapons, immobilizing a target for 6 seconds and breaking their shield is immense value
sharp jasper
I would’ve pushed the guy on the rock using my fuel to jump over him
So you're trying to say you'd have Spidey-sensed the dude behind you on the rock, boosted up and killed him before he froze you and melted you with Punishers?
cloud jackal
Punishers,orkans,and potentially shredders are relatively benign outside of siren
sharp jasper
Yes, it absolutely is.
cloud jackal
If a torso is enabling everything else to be OP
It's the torso at fault
Honestly siren probably works great with close range weaponry as well, it's just there's no need when you already kill everything with orkans or punishers
The weapons that siren enables require both broken shields and constant LOS to pop off
Siren is the only thing that guarantees both
Barely anybody would call punishers OP on their own
sharp jasper
The time to kill weapons are
TTK doesn't mean anything if you're in cover or the person has to aim/lead shots. Siren removes both of those. Siren is the issue.
cloud jackal
I get it bro, you spent 30 dollars on siren, you don't wanna have that money wasted, but you gotta let it go
hexed meadow
Again if you have momentum it still allows you to move
sharp jasper
And movement out plays siren
You mean the movement Siren takes away from you? Stop man, you don't know what you're talking about and that's ok.
cloud jackal
Even if you are mid dash when you get hit, you aren't gonna be sliding for 6 seconds straight
Bffr
hexed meadow
If your on a slow build and get siren then that’s because of the slow build
cloud jackal
Everything murders slow builds anyway, that's just siren punching down
Lol
Ig the speed of your build doesn't matter when you are not gonna be able to move anyway though
sharp jasper
This video proves exactly why this argument of "momentum" doesn't mean a damn thing.
You're still in the open, still frozen and still dead.
cloud jackal
Momentum only saves you if you are already mid dash towards cover
Which is not a constant state of being, especially if you are trying to get anywhere
Why is a single torso forcing me to hide at all times anyway, surely that's problematic
hexed meadow
If you want siren nerf then harpy needs a nerf too
Siren doesn’t need chain cc and it needs a longer cooldown that’s it
25 seconds is way to short but that’s all
cloud jackal
Idc, as long as siren gets butchered