Operation: Desert Storm Faction Pack (ODSFP)

[peak bridge]

It's only available during the playtest days because it's not ready for a full release

When it's ready it will go public

So a 4-minute delay after requesting, 3 minutes of loitering during which multiple strikes can be designated (or just one?), and then an 8-minute cooldown

[versed coyote]

Yeah, something like that. Now that you have mentioned it, the plane has 2 bombs, right? Maybe 2 strikes one after another?

[peak bridge]

I'll consider it, see how it will work in engine

[brittle python]

when is the next playtest?

[finite viper]

This Saturday

https://discord.gg/ccXzKvun?event=1206344821803843634

[versed coyote]

Thank you

[versed coyote]

Oh..
Well I've managed to download it

[peak bridge]

yea its not hard to do (just don't share the method around, especially not around server owners)

since the files are on your computer if youve played the playtest

enjoy!

[versed coyote]

Thanks, but the mods are removed after restarting the game, arent they? I mean they are somewhere on the disk, but arent accesible

[peak bridge]

they aren't removed they just aren't loaded back up

[versed coyote]

hm

[peak bridge]

thats why you dont have to redownload a mod for a server if you join it again (unless the mod updates)

[versed coyote]

Yeah, I know. I mean, if I download a mod from the server, then restart the game, how can I use it in singleplayer?

[peak bridge]

rejoining that server (or i think any modded server) will reactivate those mods

[versed coyote]

I somehow managed to find the steam workshop page of the Desert storm mod

[peak bridge]

ye, its just unlisted so if youve got the link then enjoy, but again don't share it around

[versed coyote]

Ooh, that explains everything.. Thank you! Good luck 😊

[peak bridge]

USA is added 🦅

just need to make some character models for the engineer, mortarman, and commander

[molten sun]

REALLLL

Just need some more custom weapon sounds now

I think I hear some vanilla weapon sounds in the pack. Some new ones would help break up the monotony with the base game

(No offense intended if it comes across that way)

https://tenor.com/view/gta-gta-sa-grand-theft-auto-grand-theft-auto-san-andreas-gta-one-liners-gif-17464469

[peak bridge]

eh, im not a sound engineer or even mildly savvy with audio, so im gonna just use base game audio

the vanilla audio is serviceable so i dont see why i would go out of my way to change it

[molten sun]

Fair nuff

[peak bridge]

buh, i just found out i had broke the build limits the day of the playtest and didn't notice until after 💀

[finite viper]

Oh so that’s why we could place infinite sandbags lol

[peak bridge]

actually that was bad intentional game design

the other stuff was just bad blueprinting

[finite viper]

Oh ok

[peak bridge]

fixed it, but i fixed it in a way that if i fix another thing the first thing breaks 💀

im just not gonna touch that anymore

[finite viper]

If it works it works

[peak bridge]

[peak bridge]

gonna try and make the combat engy sandbags have a limit of 6 per person

so that they don't get spammed

[peak bridge]

done

i also removed the little physics objects that spawn in when blowing up sandbags, its just not needed and it hurts performance real bad when a lot of them blow up

[nocturne glen]

Were they simulating physics on the client and the server?

[peak bridge]

On the client, but spawning in six physics objects per sandbag wall adds up quickly with no build limits

[nocturne glen]

Tragic.

[peak bridge]

Yeah, in the last match after the playtest server restarted, I found this fort of sandbags, easily 30 of them in a circle and dropped an air strike on it. When it blew up my game dropped to 5 fps for a few seconds

Some of the sandbags passed the jet they were going so fast

[nocturne glen]

🤣

[versed coyote]

Thats why you dont ruin somebody's sand castle ☝️

[summer rampart]

how bout keeping the exploding sandbags effect cuse you put a limit on them so mfs wont be able to spam them which should mean no more lag

honestly the exploding sandbags effect is very nice to

it gives +10 imersion

[coarse pebble]

More Realism =

[versed coyote]

@peak bridge Also, I think sandbag walls need to be more detailed:

1. they should have a base made of planks and support beams (only half and fully built walls should have supports)
2. you should not be able to stack things on lvl 1 walls, only level 2 and 3
3. Concept art for better understanding:

Like, how 2 stacked walls are even standing and not falling over?

[delicate grove]

Do you have plans for any other coalition factions besides France and Saudi, possibly the USA (revamped from the base game), or maybe Kuwait? Also I love the mod, there needs to be more post/late cold war/1990-2000s mod pack for this game since a lot of unique wars like the Serbian Invasion of Kosovo and the Gulf War are rarely represented in media.

[versed coyote]

Yes, Ponchovie said that Kuwait is planned

[delicate grove]

Thank you

[versed coyote]

Youre welcome

[upbeat sleet]

where can i get the mod?

[peak bridge]

The mod is only available right now on playtest days. The next public playtest is this Saturday

https://discord.com/invite/Me4uCkKf?event=1206344821803843634

[peak bridge]

USA is almost completed and Kuwait is planned

[peak bridge]

I've experimented with a system like that and it totally kills the sandbags imo. People (me) don't like having to wait for a squad member to come over and build up their sandbags just to keep designing their FOB

[torn falcon]

But the only guy with sandbag buildable is the ENG. which has a "digging" spade, so?

[peak bridge]

Squad leaders and commanders also have sandbags

[torn falcon]

Yeah i forgot so you were angry to wait for guys with a pade to work it up

[torn falcon]

The French tactics playtest or a different "private" playtest

[versed coyote]

What are you talking about? I wasnt talking about squad leaders, I was trying to tell that you should not be able to put a sandbag wall on top of the uncompleted sandbag wall. (Lvl 1 wall - just placed wall base, lvl 2 wall - half built sandbag wall with supports, lvl 3 - fully completed sandbag wall with supports)

[nocturne glen]

I love famas

[peak bridge]

Yes and I'm saying I've tried that and it doesn't play good

[versed coyote]

Bro, it is not about gameplay, its about changing a model so that sandbags dont flot mid air

[peak bridge]

That does change the gameplay though

[versed coyote]

well not much

[peak bridge]

If I have it so that you cannot place a sandbag on an incomplete sandbag, the folks placing them have to wait longer for a shovel person to build them. If I have it so that the newly placed sandbag auto builds the sandbags underneath it then we have a fortnite problem

[versed coyote]

well yes

[peak bridge]

Yeah I'm not doing that, no good reason to make people do that just for sandbags

[versed coyote]

I mean youre the boss but make this not so weird looking. All im asking is to add support planks, please!

[molten sun]

Telekinesis mode!!!

This is how they built the pyramids

[versed coyote]

thats what im talking about! makes no sense..

[molten sun]

The ancient Egyptians could do it back then

We should be able to do it now 🗣️

[peak bridge]

If all you wanted was some visual planks to make this look less weird you should have said that, yea sure

[versed coyote]

finaly

[peak bridge]

What I thought you were asking for was gameplay changes

[versed coyote]

"Bro, it is not about gameplay, its about changing a model so that sandbags dont float mid air" I was trying

[peak bridge]

Yeah this message is what confused me

[torn falcon]

Wait im just curious how thought about his "add planks" interpretation

[molten sun]

Sounds like he just doesn’t want to have floating sandbags

[versed coyote]

yup

[molten sun]

Would require some significant rework to the way you do sandbags I’d think. If you throw a sandbag on one that’s under construction, it shouldn’t just float on top of it. Maybe you can make it so it when it collides with an under construction sandbag, it remembers that “a player wants me to build another stack above myself once I finish”, and spawns another sandbag construction above it.

Or if a player throws a sandbag on an under construction one it simply doesn’t do anything and refunds the sandbag “ammo”, or it builds on top of the actual sandbag, despite clipping into the later constructed sandbag wall

You can get pretty involved with a solution to this lol. The support planks would be the simplest solution IMO, since it’d only be a visual change

[versed coyote]

yep, thats why it is the best solution. you just add a wooden plank at the bottom of the model and 4 sticks at the corners

[molten sun]

Yup and just remove it once construction is complete

[versed coyote]

nah no need

[molten sun]

Don’t know how realistic that is, I’m not a soldier lol. I’d think you just stack those sandbags on top of each other, no need for supports, but this is more of a gameplay thing.

[versed coyote]

it would be more logical for the sandbags to have a support structure so they dont collapse

[molten sun]

They don’t have those IRL do they? I’ve never noticed that on sandbag walls in games at least

I always thought they were just stacked on top of each other

[versed coyote]

Well, if you look at the actual sandbag walls, they often have a wide base made out of 4-5 sandbags. then they get narrower closer to the top

[molten sun]

Right

But they don’t typically have an external frame holding them together right?

[versed coyote]

yeah, if they are not very tall

but if you place 2-3 ingame walls on top of each other without support, they would fall irl

[molten sun]

Also a sandbag wall that gets tapered at the top won’t look right when stacked ingame. More of a balance of gameplay and realism. I think the real issue to solve is just how to prevent trying to place sandbag walls on seemingly what is air. Leads me to believe the collision on the under construction sandbag is the full height despite visually not being so.

If someone tries to place a sandbag wall on one that’s still being constructed then who cares, skill issue or intentional.

[versed coyote]

yeah

also hold a second

[molten sun]

I think ideally the sandbag wall should be placed on the layer that is currently constructed and not at where the final height is.

That would solve the seemingly floating sandbag issue.

Not sure how the under construction sandbag is implemented but it sounds like it has a full height collider even when the sandbags aren’t visually built up yet.

But that’s enough of me derailing this thread lol. I’m sure ponchovie can figure something out

[peak bridge]

yea thats to prevent clipping if you build the sandbags underneath it

[versed coyote]

here what sandbags with supports alrady look like in game

[molten sun]

That looks reasonable and stackable to me

[versed coyote]

yes

exactly

[peak bridge]

yea

[versed coyote]

now imagine extending these suppurts a for about a meter

then you place a plank on top

and another sanbags on the plank

and that is how you build a bunker

[versed coyote]

just like I showed here

[peak bridge]

oh you already tagged that one

[versed coyote]

can somebody draw an ikea instruction on building a sandbag bunker? 😂

[peak bridge]

i could probably do some kind of sheet metal and sandbag roof construction piece so that yall can make those lol

et voila

i gotta agree this does look better, thanks for the suggestion

[molten sun]

Gyattt dyaaaaaaaamn son

Fire af

🔥

[high torrent]

Is this out on steam workshop yet?

I was able to play it on single player the other day, but then today it isnt in my library of mods

[peak bridge]

no, its not public yet

next playtest is this saturday

https://discord.gg/CCQzReKq?event=1206344821803843634

[summer rampart]

Can we get some nudes of the US faction?

[cunning rampart]

Aweww hell yea!

[peak bridge]

haven't completed any of the new character models, so not much to show other than guns

[versed coyote]

Baby thats what Im talking about! 👍🔥

[versed coyote]

By the way, during playtest, my friend told me that it would be cool if there was a whistling sound when mortar shells fall nearby. Can you do this please? Maybe like 1 sec before impact?

[peak bridge]

because of how bots work, they cant see you behind this

but you can shoot through this

[hollow linden]

just got the chance to play this mod in sp

it's fuckeen good

[nocturne glen]

famas is fucking amazing

[molten sun]

I hate the famas, can’t see shit lmao

I mean in general

Not a problem with the mod lol

[peak bridge]

ye, and thats the shortest range peephole

the rest are considerable smaller

[molten sun]

The high rate of fire and point aim for CQB tho

😩

[peak bridge]

thats why i made their optics the lowest magnification of the whole mod, it wouldve been too powerful having all that fire rate and shit with also having pin point accuracy

[nocturne glen]

Ya I wish there was some depth-of-field so blur the rear sights

Maybe make it easier to see.

[peak bridge]

it has to be done right, some games turn it way too high and make me sick looking at it

[nocturne glen]

ya squad is a perfect culprit

that game is meant to make you nauseous

i don't even get disorented from being on a boat irl.

but that game

[peak bridge]

with all the fucking blur and DOF that game is cancer for anyone without perfect eyesight

[nocturne glen]

like it's a 101 lesson on how you are not supposed to move the camera / view around. like there are legit GDC talks on how to do proper camera movement and they do all the things you shouldn't do.

[molten sun]

I gotta see that lol

Haven’t played Squad since they used VAC

[nocturne glen]

it's really bad

• fundemental bugs with reloading / shooting / spawning

i absolutely love the burst fire on the famas

one brrt and enemy is gone

[peak bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/grambam36-kitchen-gun-hhgregg-deltarune-3big-shots-from-kitchen-gun-gif-26330918

[nocturne glen]

i can't promise anythign

but ill try to update my mod for next playtest

maybe

[peak bridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/804929353942695967/1204277380823121961/attachment.gif

[nocturne glen]

btr vs french rifle grenade

• anti tank mines

[peak bridge]

it would be pretty sick, no pressure though, dont wanna rush a buggy patch

that reminds me, i still have to re-add mines and other booby traps

[nocturne glen]

ye

[peak bridge]

the old netcode is shite

[nocturne glen]

you got AT mines right?

no multicast

[peak bridge]

yea

[nocturne glen]

don't do it

[peak bridge]

some TM-62s

why not?

[nocturne glen]

no multicast

[peak bridge]

oh didnt see that

ye

[nocturne glen]

no multicast

[peak bridge]

all rep notify

[nocturne glen]

no multicast

[peak bridge]

all praise rep notify jesus

[nocturne glen]

you get what i did there

ye

repnotify is love, repnotify is live

do you tweak the priorities on the replicated actors at all?

cuz by default it's stupid high i think

[peak bridge]

idk, i havent looked at priorities

also, wanna hear some fuckery?

every modded gamemode ive tested with this faction breaks the UI stuff I do

[nocturne glen]

tragic

[peak bridge]

xorb's SM3, that steam guy's ragdoll overhaul, and vehicles

although yours is the only one that breaks the shovels

i need to test with more gamemodes tho

[nocturne glen]

well i fixed that. it was over agressive turning things off and breaking shit

are you using notifications?

[peak bridge]

ye

yes

[nocturne glen]

huh

tf

[peak bridge]

not on the main UI, but on my own widget

[nocturne glen]

huh

have you lookd into just using the main UI notification tray?

[peak bridge]

they might be altering the camera or something, since i cant add shit to the UI with those gamemodes

[hollow linden]

don't know why but it works fine in sp

atleast for me

[peak bridge]

not really, i thought it wasn't hooked up to the main UI

[nocturne glen]

ya it's part of the hud

[peak bridge]

oh wait yea the vote kick uses that

forgot we had that

[nocturne glen]

also that way your notifications won't layer on top of the vote kick ones

[peak bridge]

tru

[nocturne glen]

that's what i use for messages in my mod

the whole "you can't get in skill issue"

[peak bridge]

i should look into that, that would also help with stability

[nocturne glen]

ya

• it's all vanilla stuffs

instead of putting widgets on top of HUD

that never works well cuz it always fucks with it

[peak bridge]

ye

one thing i dont think i can do is alter the weapon info HUD, since some of my mod requires stuff that just doesnt have in a useful setup

but ill look into the base UI stuff for notis

[nocturne glen]

ya

[peak bridge]

https://medal.tv/games/operation-harsh-doorstop/clips/1Vb0xn-15jPfCF/d13378AifGLc?invite=cr-MSx2VWMsMzUzMjU3MSw from some singleplayer i was doing

didn't detonate either, i got direct impacted by that and prevented the RPG from exploding

[nocturne glen]

🤣

[undone ivy]

The Server that's hosting the mod is still up however if you want

[versed coyote]

@peak bridge By the way, the famas barrel grenade reloading animation is broken a little. It looks like you've used an rpg animation? I dont know how to describe it.. you sould check it in-game

[hollow linden]

might want to double check

If it's really not there then

[versed coyote]

It is unlisted, but you can acces it with a little bit of file digging

[hollow linden]

you could try to find the mod file on and install it like how you install a mod before OHD out of early access.

[peak bridge]

I've known about that since I made it, nothing I can do about it since it uses vanilla animations

[peak bridge]

FAMAS rifle grenades (without scopes) now have dedicated irons for ranging the grenades

don't ask me what any of the markings are ranged for, I don't know

and M16A2 + M203 can also be ranged, and again with mystery increments ooooo spooky 👻

magnified variants of these weapons have only one range + looking through the optic

[summer rampart]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1110291763941355691/1157761110947135569/cat_yes.gif?ex=651a714f&is=65191fcf&hm=23121dd7cb97d76dfc82cf8f1355acb02c884155b8ba05ac387f5a8e8a53d46a&

[peak bridge]

mortars no longer can direct impact people (to prevent griefing), and incoming mortar shells play a noise before impact

[peak bridge]

bots can now use mortars

they will automatically range and shoot at the active attack flag for their team

and shoot a little less than the maximum amount carried

[molten sun]

Oh LAWDY these bots finna end me

Wait

Will they use mortars indoors

[peak bridge]

yes

they will use them like they currently use rocket launchers

once the stonk is done firing, the toob will delete itself

they will also mortar random fucking targets if they feel like it

and also the world origin

so uh

good luck yall

[nocturne glen]

lol

what have you done

wiping the entire map i see

[peak bridge]

yea

[molten sun]

I will not survive

[nocturne glen]

oh my fucking god

[peak bridge]

they really just like the strategy of carpet bombing everything

[nocturne glen]

muh realism

[peak bridge]

and thats with 3 mortar crews

only 3

[nocturne glen]

well shit

[peak bridge]

since there is no delay to throwing down a new mortar, they think its full auto and just drop em like bread crumbs

will fix

[nocturne glen]

bruh how are we not friends on steam

[peak bridge]

idk

i sent you the request like yesterday

[nocturne glen]

i just got the friend notification

[peak bridge]

oog

[nocturne glen]

oog

[nocturne glen]

nah this is fine

[peak bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

but mortars

[molten sun]

ooga booga

[peak bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/run-explosions-gif-13620594

POV: your teammate got spotted by the bot's forward observer

also once the bots have other items in their kits (like a rifle) they use the mortar tube more conservatively

[molten sun]

We’re already dead and we don’t even know it

[peak bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator2-judgement-day-t800-war-gif-19401019

heres the new sight picture on the FAMAS, since i found out that i was previously using half of the night sights

this ring front side slides up and gets illuminated with a tritium ring or something

[nocturne glen]

lol fast boi

Can you name the jet?

Like name it Big Chungus.

So when you call it in it says "Big Chungus Inbound".

[peak bridge]

"Big Chungus Actual inbound"

proper night sights dont even look that good tbh

they are pretty useful at night, but look like crap otherwise

[nocturne glen]

did you round off the front sight post?

[peak bridge]

no, thats the included night sights on the FAMAS

aight, ima head out i got stuff to do tomorrow

cya

[molten sun]

Bro said “aight bots are gonna start Blowin up the map, cya”

[nocturne glen]

i kind of want that

but i feel like it would be gimmicky

funny for 5 seconds

then annoying af

maybe if they were super inaccurate and the mortars did somehow less damage

also depends heavily on map

if it's an urban map then getting carpet bombed isn't as bad since you have cover.

but if it's saint quinten, then that's just WW1 larping

[coarse pebble]

At least you can see sh*t through em.

[versed coyote]

at least playing with bots is goonna be interesting now

[summer rampart]

@peak bridge will the US be getting an A-10 gun run? For the commander?

[hollow linden]

AC130 perhaps?

[summer rampart]

Hmmmmm

[nocturne glen]

AC-130 you can walk on?

plz

with flying blimp

obviously needs to be in the french faction

[peak bridge]

Since only the mortar man can drop these toobs, and there is only 1 mortar man per squad and only 6 bots per bot squad and usually only 2 bot squad per SP game, the chance of it getting spammed is slim

Especially slimmer in MP when that bot can be kicked if a player fills that spot

Also there will be a mortarless faction variant if people want to disable the bots using them

[peak bridge]

A10 is the planned plane for the US, but for this playtest that won't change the gameplay yet

[torn falcon]

i think i have a intresting bug for you Ponch!

[peak bridge]

That might be caused by the 1p arms glitching out. Try leaving to the menu and rejoining

I've encountered that in a few different faction mods

[peak bridge]

i think i found out why gamemode mods most times break my shovels and stuff

when I do the cast and stuff to grab the player camera, I cast to the base character BP, if a gamemode uses a copy and not a child of that blueprint, then the cast fails and the UI / linetraces never happen

[cunning rampart]

fix it then

nerd

🤓

[peak bridge]

@nocturne glen you, higher mammal, do you use a child of the base character BP?

[torn falcon]

@peak bridge Hey ,i just intresting thought: would a ssg 69 for iraqi's be a OP/non-canon sniper rifle( instead of Moasin)

[nocturne glen]

Yes everything inherits from the default vanilla stuffs

[peak bridge]

That's probably why ohd overhaul works in SP when other game modes dont

[nocturne glen]

Cuz its a gud boi

Ive made attempts to make it play nice with other mods

[peak bridge]

Very goot

[versed coyote]

@peak bridge hello.
How are you doing today?
I see you are making progress on the airstrikes?
I see that plane now takes 90 seconds to arrive, thats good.
But the problem appears - now it is almost impossible to use airstrikes effectivly, bacause you can't change the location of the strike.
An ability to select a more relevant strike position should be added now.

So we can either keep the idea that we talked about previously (with 3 minutes of loistering) or we can do something else:

GBU-12 is a laser guided bomb - It hits the position marked by laser.
But you need to keep a laser pointed at the target so that bomb can hit it precisely.
Maybe airstrike designation should work like this:
You "fire" a target designator to call in an airplane - you have to wait 90 seconds before plane arrives.
After 90 seconds, you can hear a plane approaching - now you have to aim your designator at the target you want to hit.
You have approximitly 10 seconds before impact - during that time you need to keep the designator pointed at the target and hold "fire button" - maybe there should be a pop-up saying "hold "fire" to designate a target". Also you coluld stop holding "fire before impact" - in this case the bomb will hit the last place you were aiming at before you released the button.

I will leave it up to you - you can choose whatever option you feel like.

Also, before I go, I will ask you:

1. Why the cooldown lasts only 10 seconds now?

2. Will you remove the smoke grenade spawning after you've completed the airstrike mechanic?

[finite torrent]

well , i always recommend using a child of the lowest BP in the inheritance chain. And if you know which mods are breaking, it would be useful to warn the modders about the problem.

(also in your case you can cast to HDPlayerChar which is in C++, and you can access the camera for sure since its defined in there)

[finite torrent]

i dont think it's the reason.
It's mostly about how in SP and MP the Client/Server logic works differently. in SP the client and the server are the same and even more so in the same instance of the executable i think.
So you have to account for that in how you design the RPC and use some nodes related to authority.

To be honnest i dont really care about the SP part of things, and spending time making sure it works in SP, also it might be a wrong strategy, but even if it didnt take any time to implement, i would rather it not be available in SP anyway, force people to play in MP if they want to play the mod, and in doing so hopefully have more people on servers. Might be counterproductive 🤷‍♂️

[peak bridge]

That kind of mp-only mindset goes against what I believe is good mod design and a large part of this games identity. I love SP in games, especially when I can use it to test out my mods or have fun

[peak bridge]

Other than on playtest days, assume all changes made to the mod are for testing. The 10-second cooldown was for testing

[peak bridge]

It's an interesting idea, but not one I have time to implement by this playtest. For tomorrow's test, I'm going to disable the airstrikes since there are some pretty bad replication issues regarding the bomb itself. The smoke grenade is an intentional feature and will not be removed

[finite torrent]

mp-only mindset goes against what I believe is good mod design
well if you make a MP mod, the mod design is by definition to be MP first ^^

it's like saying CS (the old one , before 1.6 it wasnt designed for bots) has a bad mod design because it didnt have SP

It's fine to want to support SP, saying that it's bad to not support it , Hummmmmm bit much...
Also i'm not against people playing alone, they can do it in a Dedicated server, either on their machine (even with a password if they want) or a rented server

I just think it's already hard to Seed servers and have good pop, why not nudge people into joining online server. (if one is available, it's way easier than installing the Server files or renting a server themselves)...

SP and Playing as a Listen Server are two different things

[peak bridge]

new build piece: sandbag roof
basically just a flat top sheet metal roof piece with sandbags layered on top for assisting vehicles when driving over trenches or making indirect fire shelters / hiding stuff from aerial observation

[twin ocean]

add british army

although during the op telic british forces were still using ecba body armour so

[versed coyote]

What do you mean by "aerial observation"?

[peak bridge]

idk, if someone is on a building or hill above a position, it'll make it harder for them to spot or shoot at people in cover

and also the helicopters in OHD overhaul exist

[torn falcon]

So you gonna implement all of those features into other factions?

[peak bridge]

what other features?

[torn falcon]

Sandbags, hesco , radio, airstrikes?

[peak bridge]

oh yea that will make an appearance to ukr and wag

[peak bridge]

3x3 meter area under the roof

4 per radio

[molten sun]

2real

[peak bridge]

tower made from just sandbag walls and roofs

[peak bridge]

@nocturne glen heres your trench bridges

[molten sun]

3real

why even make maps anymore

Just give us a big open area to build our own maps in with constructibles 💀

[peak bridge]

💀

[molten sun]

Rust but military

With factions

Actually

Holy shit

Hoyl shit

Ponchorust

Cut down trees, mine rocks and metals

Craft stuff

Build bases

[peak bridge]

another fantastical use for the sandbag roof

[peak bridge]

bots can no longer spam the mortars, as every mortar after the first one will delete other mortars placed by that player

although as a downside players can no longer have pre-sighted fire missions

i may just have that behavior only enabled for bots

because of my not checking my math, just found out the 81mm mortar is scaled as if it were 152mm, and my 60mm is scaled like a 93mm 💀

no wonder these felt huge, they are

[peak bridge]

properish sizes

[peak bridge]

placing construction objects has an audio cue now, and ammo boxes no longer are heard everywhere at once when resupplying, and have new audio

• no longer explode while i think of a better solution to that

[peak bridge]

playtest tomorrow at 12pm CST

• New construction stuff
• Tweaked the mortars
• Disabled the airstrikes cuz of replication issues

https://discord.gg/pGdxfjnc?event=1206344821803843634

[twin ocean]

which country are included in the faction pack

[peak bridge]

on BluFor - France | U.S.A. | Saudi Arabia
on OpFor - Iraq

[molten sun]

one of the greatest faction mods of all time

[versed coyote]

@peak bridge
Now that roofs are in the game, could you take a watch tower ladder from the Lam Dong map and add it so that we can climb stuff easily? Please 😊

@peak bridge also why not make bots build placed constructions?
It is so annoying that when I play as a commander in sp I cant effectivly build stuff.

[torn falcon]

Im just curious will we have time to build those magnicifent emplacements(like the one's in your pictures)

[versed coyote]

@peak bridge hello again, i have noticed a bug!
The waepon ui, building ui, and shovel ui are overlaping! replication steps: Plan someting using, then switch to gun or shovel

[versed coyote]

@peak bridge here`s some recorded gameplay for better understanding. As you can see, roof destroy stages are also incorrect

[peak bridge]

I've got this forum set up to ping me for normal messages, no need to ping me in here

[versed coyote]

oh okay

[peak bridge]

I've been trying to make that happen, but griefers exist and I also need to consider how they might abuse that ability

Oh yeah that's just how that system works, it's kinda jank

After this playtest I'm planning on changing that

[versed coyote]

im sorry, where can i acces the debug forum? Can you give me a link or smth

[peak bridge]

Known but thanks for reporting

Debug forum?

[versed coyote]

yeah

[peak bridge]

This is the only forum for the mod. So bug report in here

[versed coyote]

Also, the radio (visually) dissapears when interacted with shovel.

[peak bridge]

Interesting

[nocturne glen]

Famas today right

FAMAS

[peak bridge]

Yees

[nocturne glen]

Ok

Gotta stay up for famas

Very eppy

[versed coyote]

Yuppii

[peak bridge]

fixed, now working on the UI bug

[hollow linden]

last minutes patch moment

[peak bridge]

tru

thats when the best patches are made /j

UI bug fixed

i also fixed the mortars direct impacting people who tried to kurt cobain themselves with it

so no more griefing that way

[summer rampart]

you made ammo crates not exlpode anymore right?

[peak bridge]

yup

and every mortarman only gets 1 mortar

(for now, eventually i want to have up to 3 per person because having pre-sighted fire missions is SUPER useful)

and the bots can use the mortars without being able to spam it

they can't build up stuff yet, but that is planned

[summer rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-insane-gif-21454125

only 10 mina

[peak bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/bober-kurwa-wombat-not-a-beaver-beaver-gif-8961649020872801915

[hollow linden]

https://tenor.com/view/famas-bullpup-rifle-gun-shooting-famas-gif-27615350

[undone ivy]

Eeewww Famas

[quiet leaf]

Pavlov 😱

[versed coyote]

Mortar shell falls nearby, killing our entire squad

Ponchovie's reaction:

[peak bridge]

that last match on risala was fire

i really thought we were gonna lose

[versed coyote]

Yeah

Its a honor to fight with you, sir

[peak bridge]

much appreciated

make sure to leave your feedback about todays playtest in here

[versed coyote]

I miss airstrikes..

They were epic

[torn falcon]

i mean is there something

everything was running and working just fine

[peak bridge]

no, half the time they would duplicate the jets or not drop their payload

shit was busted

will fix that for next playtest

and if I have time before next saturday, then add more strike types and redesignation ability, although i make no promises about that

[versed coyote]

Damn, never actually noticed anything like that in singleplayer

[torn falcon]

Yeah just go on?

[peak bridge]

yea it works perfectly fine in SP, but in MP its busted

[versed coyote]

Uh oh

Things that give me reason to live:

1. Ohd playtests

[peak bridge]

https://discord.gg/drakelings?event=1208530213059821598

next playtest is scheduled

[peak bridge]

what do yall think of having radios do the upkeep on build pieces: so if you break the radio, the build pieces associated with it start to decay

[torn falcon]

makes sense kinda, I.E when you destroy the radio due to moving the fortyf. to another location then yeah

[peak bridge]

yea, and has a larger incentive to hunt enemy radios / hide your own

[torn falcon]

yeah kinda

[coarse pebble]

I think that's better then having your stuff disappear out of existence after 20 min

[summer rampart]

How bout You make the radio make radio nosies to make it easier to find

[peak bridge]

oh yea like a constant radio chatter

good idea

[summer rampart]

Btw the models for the US faction is still in the works right? or will you use the Cold war uniforms?

[peak bridge]

im gonna remake them with proper camos and stuff, but when they are finished, they will look almost the same

[versed coyote]

Whats the point then? The current look is fine

[peak bridge]

i should clarify that more. some character models will have some changes to help distinguish certain kits like SL and shit, but most of the character models are staying the same

[versed coyote]

Understood

[peak bridge]

radios no longer count fortifications placed by combat engineers or enemies when calculating how many things are placed in its range

[summer rampart]

Btw do Mortars deal friendly fire?

[peak bridge]

no

[rose socket]

thats a shame

[peak bridge]

they do if the game has friendly fire enabled

but by default no

[torn falcon]

@peak bridge I just thought that when Sly was metioning the azimuth mousewheel rotation besides the mousewheel cycle keybing problem you would have problem with the physical rotation speed aswell, right?

[peak bridge]

aight, now when destroyed, build objects will passively decay at a constant rate unless another radio of the same team is placed before they are destroyed

players can also avoid the decay temporarily by manually repairing decaying build objects

[rancid dust]

Some suggestions based on the recent playtest:
• Combat Engineers should have a greater limit on the walls that they can place. Perhaps make it so they have to resupply to reduce spamming?
• Mortars should have slightly more ammo or have a better way to resupply. Perhaps give them an ammo bag or a way to deploy a small ammo resupply box?
• Ammo resupply crates should have a marker on the map when they are deployed.
An additional note is that mortars don’t “feel” very threating. That is kind of vague but bear with me. When I was using the mortar, I got very few kills and additionally as a rifleman I did not really feel the need to take cover when I heard incoming rounds. The mortar class feels like it adds more to the immersion than as an effective tool to help capture points.

[torn falcon]

But enginner already have sandbag limit, i think i could lay 6 at a time when playing on jaziira

[peak bridge]

Yes, I could raise the CE's build limit, the mortars should require communication between the SL / rifleman and the mortarman so they don't lone wolf. I also entirely agree with you that mortars are not terribly threatening, I will do something to help combat that, likely increase their camera shake distance and maximum blast range

[peak bridge]

eagle's saying that the limit should be increased

right now its 7 walls and 1 roof

[torn falcon]

CE has roof?

[peak bridge]

i may do 10 walls, 2 roofs, and a few ladders

yea

just the 1 right now

[peak bridge]

i'd also love to do the minimap idea, but that requires gamemode access which this mod doesn't have

[rancid dust]

Either do that or make it so that they have to resupply as a way to slow the spammers down. Or both.

[torn falcon]

Ok i missed that when placing things during THE "cheater ambush jaziira" round

[peak bridge]

ye

i'll play around with the resupply idea

[rancid dust]

Overall though, the mod is pretty solid. I just needs a bit of rebalancing.

[torn falcon]

About that was i succesful during those last point/points pushes during THE last khafji round(the one which Spite has recorded)

[peak bridge]

yea, now that we know whats causing the server performance issues and I've gotten most of the mechanics in this is really fun

[torn falcon]

Yeah

[rancid dust]

It definitely changes how you play the game.

In a good way.

[torn falcon]

Oh yeah it was a great idea

[peak bridge]

i agree, that last risala match that spite recorded was probably the most fun ive had in this game so far

and thats even without vehicles so imagine it with them

[rancid dust]

I can't wait

[torn falcon]

M113 and mtlb when?

[peak bridge]

only thing I wish we had improved on the vanilla side of things is making explosives not hit people through walls

then the hesco barriers would be a useful tool instead of a beacon to enemy RPGs

[rancid dust]

true

[torn falcon]

WIt did somebody get RPG'ed throught a HESCO, damm

[rancid dust]

Also the words on the side the mortar are a bit odd, but I am assuming that is a temporary solution.

[peak bridge]

yea, since i cant have a tutorial in-game, i have to include as much information as I can on the items themselves so people can figure out how to use them

i mean i could have a tutorial in game, just as a map only accessible through the training grounds mode, but not a tutorial in a live match

[rancid dust]

Well as it is now, I was able to figure it out pretty quickly never having used it before.

[peak bridge]

yea you'd be an outlier then, most of the people who've mentioned the mortars and constructions said it needs more information

but also half of them never notice the handy notifications i give them

[torn falcon]

YOU mean the writings and the shovel pop-ups

[rancid dust]

I hate being the person in chat saying, "How do I do X"? 😜

[peak bridge]

yea whenever i see that i just see it as me needing to possibly reword how I have explained stuff

cuz sometimes i do write total garbage

[torn falcon]

Considerably

[rancid dust]

One of the coolest parts of the mod is that sound effect of the incoming rounds. I heard that and I was like "Oh my goodness!"

[torn falcon]

Yeah it is very "immersive"

[peak bridge]

oh yea, i was very glad someone brought that up to me, cuz now that its in the mortars are a lot cooler to have in a match

[rancid dust]

shoutout to that person

[torn falcon]

Yeah according to Discord archive it was Vladimir/Vladimir's friend
I mean Vladimir was a great squad guy today

[peak bridge]

just remembered, now that I have the mortars correctly sized (they were comedically large before, i had to shrink them by up to 60%), i might give each mortarman more maximum ammo

[peak bridge]

tru, he was super fun to have in the squad

[torn falcon]

But are those mortars really those tiny bcs we literally were proning next to then and we were still bigger

[rancid dust]

That would be good. Whatever amount it is now, it goes pretty quick.

[peak bridge]

i may have scaled them a little hard, but around that scale (heres a 60mm for reference)

actually nvm i think they are scaled correctly, heres the 60mm mortar rn

i could maybe make it just a teensy bit larger, but nothing much

[rancid dust]

That's very close.

[peak bridge]

ye

[rancid dust]

Does that mortar round fit in that tube?

[peak bridge]

saudi/US and iraqi 81mm mortars

[peak bridge]

id assume it does since they're launching it

[rancid dust]

Thats like more then half the length of the tube.

[peak bridge]

eh they'll make it work

[peak bridge]

aight what d'y'all think of these changes
60mm mortar

• Increased maximum blast range to 20m (from 17m)
• Reduced minimum blast range to 3m (from 7m)
• Increased camera shake maximum distance to 45m (from 35m)
• Increased camera shake minimum distance to 15m (from 10m)
• Reduced damage falloff over distance

81mm mortars

• Increased maximum blast range to 22m (from 20m)
• Reduced minimum blast range to 4m (from 10)
• Increased camera shake maximum distance to 45km (from 35m)
• Increased camera shake minimum distance to 15m (from 10m)
• Reduced damage falloff over distance

[torn falcon]

Looks good i think

[peak bridge]

radio decay is now working

[rancid dust]

Sounds good. All you can really do is try it and see how it feels. What is the minimum blast range do? I noticed you reduced those values.

[peak bridge]

minimum blast range is the radius around the impact point where the full 175 - 200 damage is applied

"direct impact" zone

but since i increased the maximum blast radius, i needed to lower overall damage values somehow to prevent the mortars from being too overbearing

so it will injure from a much larger distance, but kill from only slightly larger distance

[finite torrent]

i feel like its a good balance

being killed by mortar is kind of annoying, but increasing the blast distance while not lethal gives more tactical utility

gives a chance for people to bandage / take cover

and still be effective to disrupt 'camping' positions

[summer rampart]

@peak bridge sry for ping but Is it just me or is the M16 US faction in your mod doesn't have the vanilla M16 gun fire sounds

It sounds like the old PMC HK rifle man

[versed coyote]

Skill issue imho - yes, mortars are new to people and they are not used to operate it effectivly. The best way to use mortars is to shell the point your team is attacking. This way you can kill any campers on the point + if the point is bombarded constantly, fewer enemies will get there alive, thus making it easier to capture

[versed coyote]

Mrponchovie, Sly mentioned it yesterday, maybe you can make it easier to aim the mortars?
My idea is that if you press F on mortar, it's base starts to face you.
when you move left/right a mortar rotates to face you. When you come closer/further you move the base of the mortar to increase/decrease angle of the tube and range of the shell.
Also I think that ranging tool should remain in the game to allow more precise and small changes.
Do you understand me?

[finite torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-understand-me-understand-understood-did-you-got-it-pointing-out-gif-13008020

[versed coyote]

Exactly

[peak bridge]

Ye cuz the vanilla m16 sounds are broken

You can't place how far away they are accurately because they are set up incorrectly

[peak bridge]

Yeah but that's kind of arcady, id rather just let the player use f to pick up the tube and then throw it back down somewhere else

[versed coyote]

Also good

Actually, yeah

We realy need to be able to relocate already placed tubes

[peak bridge]

Ye that what I'm gonna be doing today

[summer rampart]

How bout making it so that if you go prone your chance of dying to the Mortar blast or kill range thingy gets reduced real life tactics

[peak bridge]

There's sadly no way to do that but it would be pretty cool

[finite torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/challenge-accepted-actor-talking-talk-gif-16822692

Basic idea :
make your explosion do 1 damage (so you can control and make sure the player isnt killed)
Then On Radial Damage (not exact name) check the Projectile , if == Mortar , Apply damage based on distance and landing Spot

(you can save all the distance values in the projectile itself, and reference it from the OnRadialDamage)

[peak bridge]

heres the kicker though, that requires gamemode access to add code to the player BP

all my stuff needs to be contained in a faction level access

[finite torrent]

Frack

[peak bridge]

ye

[finite torrent]

one sec checking if there is something in the proj itself

[finite torrent]

Seems to be used in vanilla

[peak bridge]

oooo i thought the projectile firing was written in C++ and couldn't be overridden

this might be perfect then

[summer rampart]

[finite torrent]

you dont have to override, setting the damage to 1, make sure the player isnt killed

(you can try and will be better if you can override)

[peak bridge]

yea im loading up the SDK to see for myself

[finite torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/running-fast-shield-captain-america-gif-5342763755771761900

[peak bridge]

it works

this is why kaiz is the g.o.a.t.

[finite torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/finally-yay-gif-27265681
MFW success

[finite torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/ask-and-ye-shall-receive-gif-19000383

Inb4 issues/bug/Unforeseen consequences

[peak bridge]

its gonna be really funny if i do all this for it to obliterate server performance or something

or not work with any gamemode mod

[nocturne glen]

wellcome to the server-killer club

[peak bridge]

lets go

[nocturne glen]

MrPonchovie, killer of servers

[finite torrent]

heh if you dont cast to any BP in the Gamemode definition like PC HUD etc, should be fiiinneee

[peak bridge]

yea im casting to the C++ player character in hopes that mods have to inherit from that to have a working player character

[summer rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-worship-worshipping-now-bowing-gif-12297363

[finite torrent]

Yup good habits(Only for your specific case), since you dont have a Player char child, you have not created Variable or function that you would need a cast to your Player char child to access

[finite torrent]

Not sure what is better :
use the GameState Player Array, loop through , get private Pawn, and mesure the distance between the proj and the pawns

Again heard that overlaps are expansive, your way might not, it might be only Overlaps events and not the node SphereOverlapActor

profiler, and test the two methods using 100 bots (MOAR?)

but thats a @nocturne glen question

[peak bridge]

according to a few unreal forum posts ive read through, the sphereoverlapactors aren't terrible for performance, but yea i should do some testing on it

[finite torrent]

yah it might be better than the other way (overlap events)

[peak bridge]

aight, prone to avoid mortar damage now works

when you are prone, a mortar cannot immediate 100 - 0 kill someone, but it can take a considerable amount of your health on a direct impact

when standing, the damage is applied as you'd expect, so you can be obliterated instantly

[peak bridge]

thats interesting, as you shoot the mortars further and further away, the dispersion on the axis that the mortars travel on gets smaller, to the point where at maximum range with the 60mm its almost a flat line left and right with almost no front to back dispersion

but the 81mm mortars with their steeper trajectories don't have this problem, even at 750m

[peak bridge]

mortar pickup is done

[summer rampart]

[peak bridge]

actually oops, other people can steal the mortar 💀

gotta fix that

[summer rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[peak bridge]

fixed 😅

and now it also plays a noise when you plonk a mortar tube down and when you pick it up

[coarse pebble]

Do better!

[late flower]

A feature in disguise

[torn falcon]

So max range 60mm is the most pinpoint deadly?

[peak bridge]

not pin point, the left/right dispersion is still the same large radius

just the forward/back dispersion is negligible

so a lot less effective for saturating an area with stonks

[finite torrent]

👍

[versed coyote]

No way bro added gypsies
💀💀💀💀

(No racism)

[ebon bluff]

Can we add a team package resurrection function? I don't want to run.

[peak bridge]

idk if i can force spawn a player, but yea itd be cool as a commander designator to like call a heli in to paradrop spawn your entire squad

but what i CAN tell for certain is that OHD overhaul has rallies and other spawn point stuff, which is a better bet

[versed coyote]

Suggestion:
Type: Buildable

Name: Healing station

Description:
Looks like a crate with medicine, a medical gurney and an IV stand next to it

Function:
Allows medic to give aid to the wounded soldiers. (Logical explanaiton).

Allows players to respawn on the station when there is at least 1 medic nearby (Practical implementation)

Amount: 1 per medic

Pros:
-Allows to respawn on built fobs
-Makes medics MUCH more useful then they are right now

[peak bridge]

yea that'd be sick but sadly it requires gamemode access to add POI's to the map, especially spawn locations

[versed coyote]

Fick😕

[peak bridge]

ye

[versed coyote]

We need to get it into base game somehow

[peak bridge]

yea, rallies are planned

thats basically what that is

[versed coyote]

I mean

Rallies dont actually make much sense

FOBs do

And I realy think that medics need to be able to set spawn points intead of squad leaders.
Because SLs already do everything in the mods - they place fobs, call air support, lead their squad.
Nobody plays as medic because the only thing medic does is healing.
I feel like it would be such a buff to their class if only they could place spawn points.

[peak bridge]

that would be kind of interesting yea

itd be smart to avoid the squad problem where the SL is stretched too thin

[versed coyote]

Ponchovie, maybe you could suggest it so they add it in the next update? Please?

[peak bridge]

I could bring it up next time we discuss spawn points and stuff like that

[versed coyote]

Thanks

Also, what if every destroyed buildable would cost your team a certain amount of tickets?

[finite torrent]

All of this is the context of how Squad the game plays ....

i think the best way to releive the SLs is in other areas.
SL should mainly control the spawn points, especially rally points.
I'd go even as far as to say, they should even have More control over it, like restricting squadmates to spawn on specific spawn points

Air support yeah should be Commander ...

FOBs should be imho Logi dedicated squad (like in Hell let loose, there would be dedicated armored / heli / logi squads, where only them can claim vehics) Ofc normal SL should be able to place FOB, but they shouldnt handle the logistic (huehue) of it, like managing logis getting them to a spot , getting enough people around to place it....

The best way to help SLs is with FOBs, 100%.

After that giving them a lot of tools with the map markers , and 3D world markers.
And probably other Game-Y / arcady incentives for squad mates to listen to the SL and stay close to SL (and or FTLs for flanking )

And giving more tools to FTLs and ways to effectively improove teamplay and com for FTLs (havent thought too much about it so i wont mention anything)

i just though about giving them drones, or requiring a squad mate to have the kit. (Radio man Kit might be good also , im thinking about how Burning land wanted to do it, but adapt it to modern ish times)

@nocturne glen ah yoshi we talked about the Morale buff when close to SL that would reduce Supression (and give more stam regen ?) and i was like hmmm for flanking and making plays its not that good, heh , do the same for FTLs ...

[rancid dust]

Bro has joint hypermobility syndrome on his index finger when he runs.🤣

[peak bridge]

fixed an issue that caused rangefinders to have spotty distance gauging out past ~600m, there is now a hard limit of 1km for the range finders

[peak bridge]

ladders are in (this entire structure can be built with 1 combat engineer)

[peak bridge]

should ladders require a radio to place? right now im thinking of having it be 2-4 ladders per person with no radio requirement

probably gonna make it so you cant stack the ladders on each other or place other objects on the ladders

so that people don't tower of babel

and have to use the sandbag roofs if they want to tower up

[molten sun]

What’s bro doin up there

[peak bridge]

spawncamping

[molten sun]

real

[finite torrent]

id say , SL and FTL (if and when implemented) can build them, no radio, can be used as traversal, and for defense

[versed coyote]

If you are going to make ladders unstackable, then add visual supports to the model, because right now it looks like this lol:.

[finite viper]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woodpecker-ladder-climbing-climb-cartoon-gif-17832680

[peak bridge]

The visual support is the building you place it next to and climb

[versed coyote]

What if there is no building?

[peak bridge]

Then what reason do you have to place the ladder

[versed coyote]

Gaining tactical advantage?

Like observing outpost with only one piece.

Idk

I mean, there should be supports or you should not be able to place a ladder in the middle of the desert without a building to lean on

[peak bridge]

Yeah I guess since it's a visual thing, and it could help with placing it since you can see on the ground where the end of the ladder is

[versed coyote]

👍

[nocturne glen]

ponchovie my son

the AT grenades work against the vics

1 shots the m113 with 220 health

[summer rampart]

from what ive seen from Yoshis stream it takes 1 shot of The french AT gernade to kill an MT LB, kinda a bit much how bout 3-5?

[peak bridge]

Yeah I can tweak it, I just need to know how much health each vehicle has

[peak bridge]

Operation: Desert Storm Faction Pack (ODSFP)

[nocturne glen]

BIG DADDY

OFFICIAL RELEASE INBOUND?

[peak bridge]

no :(

just getting a consistent naming convention between my mods

[peak bridge]

french combat engy now has a character model

[obsidian prism]

No way

the french

[molten sun]

🥖

[peak bridge]

redid the Saudi Arabian SL character model since it had some pretty egregious clipping

@versed coyote ladder supports

interesting thing you can do as a combat engy / SL

[peak bridge]

ammo cooldown is working

just a quick 10 second cooldown so that people don't hungry hungry hippo the damn crate

[finite viper]

https://tenor.com/view/hungry-game-gif-5580744

[peak bridge]

yea that was a problem with the last playtest, people would think it works like a ammo bag and just spam the button

not realizing they are only 9 resupplies per crate

@nocturne glen uploading to workshop if you need to test anything

[versed coyote]

Perfect!

[molten sun]

do you have camo nets?

would be pretty sick for concealment

prop up an mg or sniper nest in some bushes or on a rooftop with matching camo

[versed coyote]

Wait, Arent buildables supposed to automaticaly break if there is no ground under? Because if I destroy a sandbag roof, everything on top is left floationg in the air lol

[peak bridge]

There's no check for that right now since I haven't thought of a performant solution for it

[molten sun]

Could be when you place an object, it does a linetrace to get the object below it, tells that object “hey register me as one of the objects that depends on you existing”, and then upon the bottom object getting destroyed, it goes through the list of objects directly above it that registered with it, and destroys them too. This would trigger a chain reaction where each object above it would also remove any other dependent object above it because everything registered with everything directly below it

Should be performant, as long as someone didn’t build like a thousand fortifications tall.

And the destruction isn’t playing some graphically intensive effect

More of an edge case that you shouldn’t care about tho. Players that do that know what they’re getting themselves into

[peak bridge]

Oh yeah that is a good idea, I was trying to do it in tick, which was not a great idea

[peak bridge]

y'all

another poll

for the combat engineer since I am redoing some stuff across the board, i wanted to touch on the C4 charges since i don't like how they are set up or used

so im debating 2 things,
Timed charge to blow up automatically after being placed, or remote charge like we have now
1️⃣ for Timed charge | 2️⃣ for remote charge

Placement system: Throwing it like a grenade as it is right now, or using the hologram system for construction to do something like squad's
3️⃣ for throwing | 4️⃣ for hologram placement

voting ends with either 2 landslides or in 3 hours when i go to bed

[torn falcon]

Wait we dont have holograhic placement? Than what are those green and red object icon's?

[peak bridge]

we have that for the construction, but not for the explosive charges

[torn falcon]

Ah okay yeah that is sure the better option

Also will the m113 have the m2 gunner be mtlb turret like?

[peak bridge]

idk, im not yoshi

#1110291763941355691

[torn falcon]

Oh right

[molten sun]

or are you

[peak bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/dwight-schrutes-face-mask-the-office-dummys-face-dwight-schrute-dummys-face-gif-17895643

i could be

[peak bridge]

aight voting over 0:4 and 0:5

remote detonated hologram placed wins!

and now for the first time shooting the C4 actually detonates it as planned

and digging it down funnily enough

[peak bridge]

all that i think is left for the playtest is to fix jets in MP, and possibly re-add mines

and then next week is making a tutorial map for all this shit

engineer, AT rifleman, and SL are all kinda cram packed for utility, so im not sure where to put AT mines when i add them back in. Do i just say fuck it and add it to AT or engineer anyways or make a new kit / add it to a different kit?

[hollow linden]

Petition to make shovels also work as a melee weapon

[versed coyote]

Yeah, it is kinda cringe how placed c4 becomes useless if engineer dies.
Also, what if engineers could pick up placed c4?

Timed charges would be good. So sad it lost 😕 maybe we could have both?

[molten sun]

Maybe switching firing modes for the c4 could switch between remote vs timed detonation

And have multiple timer options even by just switching firing mode

[peak bridge]

Yeah I could do that

Since they'd all just be different build pieces for the c4 construction tool

So cycle sights to choose between remote activated and then 10, 30, and 60 second fuses

[peak bridge]

So ye the remote c4 will not be able to be remote activated after you die, but you can still detonate it with another explosion or a shot. I also like the picking up idea

I should probably put all these on cooldowns since there is no ammo for buildables rn

2+ minute cd should be fine right?

And then picking up the c4 deletes the cooldown

[torn falcon]

yeah that would work

[versed coyote]

Hmm, I think that there should be no cooldown, I prefer limited amount of c4 only renewable with ammo crate.

[summer rampart]

Should also make it so that the C4 doesn't stay forever when you place them after you die

[peak bridge]

The ammo would be kinda scuffed, since the way I have the buildables set up right now they can't be resupplied by ammo bags, only the crates

[peak bridge]

Yeah, the remote charges will auto despawn when the instigator is dead, just like mortar tubes, and the timed charges won't need it since they'll just blow up

[peak bridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/804929353942695967/1210695342962507887/attachment.gif?ex=65eb7ee7&is=65d909e7&hm=3433087ca414322a552acaeb561788351b3f1e345c4072be881a49f5947abd6b&

[versed coyote]

Of course I know him! He's me!

[versed coyote]

Ponchovie, what will we be testing today?

[peak bridge]

The new construction changes and fixes, airstrikes fixes (if I manage to fix them in time), and of course yoshis vehicle mod update preview

There's a few smaller changes and tweaks that I've forgotten that are also being tested

So the most major construction changes are the ammo box cooldown, the correctly working radio limits, the new ladders, the new radio buildable noises, and C4 placement

[peak bridge]

uploaded to the workshop, those who have the link to it should resubscribe now to download it

@finite torrent

[summer rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-patiently-bored-mr-bean-rowan-atkinson-gif-15961738

[versed coyote]

Ok

[peak bridge]

no vehicles for this playtest, OHD overhaul is taking too long to package and upload

[summer rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-catcry-gif-19131995

[west mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-cry-gif-5387125083871925846

[peak bridge]

very sad 😭

[west mesa]

we have to use our pixel legs that is very sad indeed

[torn falcon]

so the i downloaded the not updated Yoshi mod?

[peak bridge]

yea

[summer rampart]

we still gonna use the overhual mod just not the updated version?

[peak bridge]

no, it breaks a lot of the ODS stuff

like shovels and binos

and the construction too

[hollow linden]

just delay the pt

and let the mod packages itself

[peak bridge]

its been packaging for 30+ minutes at this point

it could take easily 30+ more minutes

[summer rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-cat-mad-going-insane-going-crazy-gif-24274574

[torn falcon]

So no SHITBOXES definitively?

[cunning rampart]

i say delay

[hollow linden]

delay

[torn falcon]

how much, 30+ minutes guys? Maybe i could dinner up meanwhile?

[peak bridge]

who knows

yoshi said no vehicles so likely no vehicles

unless this thing magically finishes packaging

[peak bridge]

gonna add a "constructible" to the combat engineer to remove all of their currently placed buildables

that shit was annoying trying to place stuff after having reinforced a different spot

fixed the bug with french and US binoculars, forgot to re-set some animations after my bino refactor a few days ago

[versed coyote]

Today's playtest was awesome!

Although c4 is little raw

And you can see your snother hand clipping when holding the detonator

[peak bridge]

yea the ammo system isnt in yet, still working on that

[versed coyote]

Here's what I think:
Placement system: I think its ok
Amount: yeah, I think you should be able to place 3 different charges at a time, just have limited amount of them.
timed c4: Not finished, no comments yet

Disposal: I cant remove placed c4 with shovel:
I explode every time :/

Suggestion:
What if c4 had a 25% chance of exploding when being shoveled by enemy?

[peak bridge]

oh woops the shovel explosion is a bug, its supposed to remove without booming

[versed coyote]

Or Im just a VEEERY bad sapper lol

[peak bridge]

lol

[versed coyote]

Also suggestion:
Could you please lower the radio volume? I cant hear what mates are saying.
Also, could you add chatter like this:
https://youtu.be/R9B5sU3wdww?si=ZLR0oAFi-TCorzWU
So its not just white noise?

[noble river]

do the Saudis rock combloc weapons? or mix?

[versed coyote]

Also Im begging you.
How could these horrible famas grenade reloading animations be improved? Isn't there a way to make a custom animation?

[peak bridge]

yea im gonna tweak volume levels for a whole bunch of custom stuff

im not an animator, so no

[obsidian prism]

G3 supremacy

[peak bridge]

NATO weapons like the G3, FN Minimi, etc with a few combloc weapons like RPGs and such

[finite viper]

gets the job done

[hollow linden]

make the grenade longer

oh wait

it would clip through the famas

[versed coyote]

Just give them m67 grenades

"Gets the job done"

[finite viper]

less range tho

so in most causes no it doesnt get the job done

[versed coyote]

Just 1 grenade per rifleman - also meh

[versed coyote]

But you can refill so kinda fair

[finite viper]

yeah true

[hollow linden]

glad regular rifleman gets it though

[versed coyote]

Gentlemen,

[finite viper]

i already can tell id love that thing

[versed coyote]

Should we ping the all mighty then?

[finite viper]

go for it

[versed coyote]

@peak bridge sir

You need to see this

[noble river]

Solid. cant wait for this to go public

[peak bridge]

this wasn't as common as the rifle grenades, plus the rifle grenades are part of how france distinguishes itself from the other factions

[versed coyote]

Damn individualists

[versed coyote]

https://youtu.be/24NNTRDwjvM?si=6BwtyhaJihel3MFu

[finite torrent]

Thx For headsup something came up. How was it?

[peak bridge]

not great, it got delayed by 40m due to server issues and we weren't able to run OHD overhaul as well

pretty low turn out as well and the admin stuff was scuffed

so we've scheduled again for tomorrow at the same time

[finite torrent]

ah ok i hope i can join

[summer rampart]

Nice wont have to wait for a whole week

[hollow linden]

will today playtest also include the vehicle mods

[summer rampart]

It better or im leaking Yoshi's nudes

[peak bridge]

That's what were hoping 🙏

[nocturne glen]

@peak bridge Your IED on the french faction doesn't hurt vics

Or C4

[peak bridge]

Shit, ain't I'll get that fixed before the playtest

Aight*

[peak bridge]

C4 can now be defused

60mm mortars now can hit out to 650m

lowered the radio static volume from 0.4 maximum volume to 0.15 max volume

jets are removed, and will be rewritten from scratch later

engineers can now remove all their buildables on the map by placing the mass removal tool from their construction tool

timed charges with 10, 30, and 60 second fuses are in and working in MP

uploading to workshop now

[peak bridge]

Playtest in 10 minutes yall!

[hollow linden]

Missed the playtest by about 2 hours

big sed

[cunning rampart]

you didnt miss much, all previous rounds were horrible and full of lag. This first smooth one.

[finite viper]

i think the server is still pretty much filled

[peak bridge]

https://discord.com/events/93829266994638848/1211441729404801084/1213546364928000000

[hollow linden]

playtest till 2025?

[peak bridge]

yea fuck it

[versed coyote]

Oh damn.
Well, im once again asking to remove airstrike spawning smoke. Instead use mark on the map to designate placed locations.
In my opinion smokes not only make no sense, but
Also block the view + you cant distinguish regular smokes from the airstrike smokes

[versed coyote]

very informative : D

[strange prawn]

I can't seem to find this in the workshop

[peak bridge]

It's not public yet

[rancid dust]

I have a suggestion. I have heard that in the past, especially in Vietnam, that troops would mark their position by smoke and then tell the aircraft the direction and how many meters up they need to strike. A similar system could be implemented. This would also solve the issue of that you need to get very close to where the airstrike will happen, many times exposing yourself, and with the current system the enemy knows that an airstrike is coming, so they have opportunity to leave before the strike happens.

[peak bridge]

I don't have map marker access as a faction mod, and the designator is blue, no other smokes are blue

[versed coyote]

Realy?

[peak bridge]

yea

[versed coyote]

Ok, but maybe there is another way around?
Maybe the smoke could have a short duration?
Enough for you to see, but not too long?

[peak bridge]

yea probably

[versed coyote]

Oh listen

Ive got sn idea

So you know how hyrcania has laser sights?

And you can see a beam

maybe something like that, huh?

[peak bridge]

for the designator?

[versed coyote]

Ye

It has no gamemode requirement

[peak bridge]

it doesnt make much sense, the laser on the laser rangefinder isn't like the laser on a PEQ for example

it doesn't show up i dont think

[versed coyote]

Well yeah

But designators also dont place smokes

[peak bridge]

fair

the smokes work better in game though as you can see exactly where you placed the strike

the laser is a bit more ambiguous

[versed coyote]

well, hyrcanya laser has a dot on the end of the beam. Maybe it can become larger with range so you can see it.

[versed coyote]

I think it will be fine

Also, remember the time when we've talked about manual bomb laser guidence?

Where you have to keep a reticle pointed at target?

I dont think that smokes will do the job then

[versed coyote]

Also Pnchovie, for some reason, Desert storm optics are hella laggy.

I mean, all optics are drop fps

but desert storm optics have the worst fps drop compared to vanilla weapons

[peak bridge]

im not sure what to do about that, I set up the optics the same as vanilla

[versed coyote]

ok

maybe its just me

[torn falcon]

I mean don't plan to include/ implement DSFP with Vehicle mod?

[peak bridge]

they are separate mods, that are just designed to work well with each other, not interdependent mods

[torn falcon]

ah okay

[versed coyote]

Any news?

[peak bridge]

None yet, dealing with real-life tasks and responsibilities so I don't get swamped

[versed coyote]

Good luck!

[peak bridge]

i have a partial solution to my custom UI still being applied after getting in and out of vehicles

i say partial because the issue still persists inside of the vehicle, and until you get out and reequip the item that owns the UI, but now when you equip a construction tool, shovel, or other item that has custom UI, all other custom UI owned by that player will remove and clear up your screen

[peak bridge]

you can now mortar points that don't provide spawn points

so when we play on tweaked jaziira, feel free to mortar the shit out of the backline flags

[torn falcon]

Backline is what the ,secondary flag's/"spawn flag's" behind the main frontline spawn, I.E the Iraqi City one's
Or the secondary blufor flag?

[peak bridge]

Yeah the flags behind the frontline points

As long as they don't provide a spawn though, so this behavior will not be noticed on the majority of maps

[torn falcon]

I mean yeah bcs only modded maps and skirmish maps have the non spawn flag feature's

[peak bridge]

Ye

Like #1203819603097288714

[torn falcon]

Oh okay didn't see this post, intrensting

[peak bridge]

Yeah I haven't advertised it anywhere since it's not all that important

Next playtest we are going to see some interesting map layouts, some of which may absolutely suck

https://tenor.com/view/trump-shrek-gif-19551630

[torn falcon]

Nah i mean it didn't show up in the mod projects anouncment/post refresh

Like this:

[peak bridge]

Ah

[versed coyote]

@peak bridge

Hey dude

Check this out

https://youtu.be/SUaSUOrWDjI?si=La0z_W-FmTIbw9w6

I really like how airstrikes look here

[versed coyote]

@peak bridge hi

I just found a bug

Mortar ranging tool doesnt work with ohd overhaul

Im currently on the preview server

[peak bridge]

yea yoshi and i have been trying to fix that since sunday

its an issue with all shovels, not just the mortar tool

[versed coyote]

@peak bridge Hello

Its me again with new portion of bugs : D

first of all, mortar ranging tool broke down. doesn't work only in couple with OHD overhaul

also placing a buildable or c4 or using shovels now show that notification

and the last Ive found - timed charges dont work

they dont explode

and when I shoot at them they dont explode

Although they detonate when something explodes nearby

[peak bridge]

I appreciate the bug reports, but for the love of jod, we know about the shovel bug, please stop reporting it

[summer rampart]

I think there is a bug with the shovels

[peak bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-bird-funny-meme-gif-25342698

[torn falcon]

Did you had an update today, bcs i remember i was playing in SP/on the "public" test server and the explosives were working just fine(i.e it didnt show that anouncment/crash bar, althought it wasn't able to destroy the brdm and btr's)

[peak bridge]

I had like 5 of 6 trying to solve the shovel bug

Haven't touched the explosive charges

[torn falcon]

OK ,then maybe Yoshi f'ed yp his mod?

HUH?

[peak bridge]

Idk

[versed coyote]

@torn falcon no no, explosives are bugged even without overhaul mod

[nocturne glen]

YO PONCH HONEY I THINK WE HAVE BIG ISSUE SHOVEL NO WORK

[peak bridge]

fixed the time charges not detonating after the timer elapsed

[summer rampart]

How will we playtest tomorrow with out shovels? GAME WILL BE UNPLAYABLE

[peak bridge]

remote/timed charges now explode when damaged

shovels work*

*just not consistently when crouched

[cunning rampart]

>:(

[wary crater]

You should be within 50m of an ftl or 100m of Squad lead to be able to see anything on your map.

Dedicated squad types like in squad 44 (post scriptum) like you're saying. Inf squads can't claim logi or armoured vehicles but can drop the radio or supplies.

[finite torrent]

i was thinking HLL, but ye maybe PS does it (i refuse to call it squad 44 , such a bad name)

[finite torrent]

but yeah, i think the crutial point is , it works with FTL , wich means you can do flank manoeuvers, and actually give a reason to give FTL

and have some kind of buffs (map vision is a buff)

[wary crater]

Yeah. I think having decreased suppression when close to team or squadmates is a good idea.

Having no map access when lone wolfing is a good way to deter it too.

I've also wanted proper radio sim, where certain radios decrease in range. Squad personal radios only being useful around 500m would nerf lone wolfing also

[peak bridge]

airstrikes are hopefully fixed and are enabled for today's playtest

• lots of bug fixes that some folks might not notice but oh well

https://discord.gg/9eWNaA7C?event=1211441729404801084

[versed coyote]

Yuppiii

Lol

The plane gets stuck out of bounds

It just floats here

Also ponchovie

Could you please make slomo command affect the airstrike cooldown

?

So that I can speed it up for testing purposes

Also

Mortar aiming doesnt work

Idk if you know that or not

So I report anyway

[versed coyote]

I hit the text blocks

But nothing happens

Absolutely nothing

[peak bridge]

Even without ohd overhaul?

[versed coyote]

Idk

Hol up

Gonna check

@peak bridge yes

[peak bridge]

Well shit

[peak bridge]

aight i got the mortars working again

[versed coyote]

Aight gonna check

[peak bridge]

still packaging, its not uploaded yet

[versed coyote]

Ah

Ok

Also I like the new airstrike