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actually
u probably need to ask yourself
what is your motivation here

is it really their happeness
or you just want to be right
i know that i want them to be happy thats why i follow the evedince

and statistics
more freedom = happenss
I'm not happy, and it's cause of stupid people irl so i became so sheltered inside myself that i'm practically scared to ask people for help.
its has been proven again and again
Wrong.
but we cant take you as the general popualtion
thats why we use averages and stuff like that

we dont use anicdots
then here we jsut cant argu

if i have to tell you why science works
we will have to start from very far back
It's always changing
Your talking to a scientist. Someone who loves to talk about philosophy
For material stuff
Yes
But for statistics, the truth. And the results point that they lie


i dont agree
hehe im joking
i understand that some stats can be biased and deciving
100% that can happen
thats why we do meta analysis

u can measure the good and bad stats
Meta analysis doesn't work.
Yes.
Control and test populations and such
Happiness can not be determined by a statistic
Okay, if we take this image here, what can we infer?
Its ~4 star game correct?
Its a game.
Lemme show you the review counts.


People put fake reviews on games.
it might be too late at night for me to see how this destroys our statistical models

but i dont know what the end goal of our convo is
i feel like we drafted from the original thing
the quetsion was
if someone comes to me and say im a cat
how should i react

thats it?
no wasnt that
that they want to marry a cat

yes?
i dont know the extent effect of that
i honestly dont know
im welling to experment tho

lets see how allowing and not allowing ppl to do that
affects tthe general important KPIs
KPIS = Key performance indicators
so somehting like succide rate
or
income
and other stuff
if it has positive change
i will support it
as simple as that
ofc
so there will be a sample of ppl claiming that right?
take them
split them 50% 50%
first group get to do what they wnat
other group gets opresed to not do it

and we study the difference betweent he 2 gorups
if this takes us back to that
then that means that is the good thing to do
u see
if that is how humans reach the maximum KPIs values
then so be it
but u know
it never did

this method is waht got us to the good things we have no
we are using this as the reference

how do you know that the objective rules you have are actually true
hwo do you verify that

but what are you saying here
what are those objective rules
and how
can we know they are objective
what we talking about

point stands
there is no way
u can prove anything objectively
thati s the problem
we invented it
we cant prove that its true
all we know that it works
we measrue it
that doesnt make it objective
i dont belive science is objective
i belive that it works
ofc it isnt
we cant prove the simple premises of scicne
i cant know
that the boiling temp of water
wouldnt change tomroow
yet it doesnt
i cant prove that it wount
i turst it
yeah but the thing is
u said it
science is the tool
so how do we wpply this tool
on morality
sadly we cant
so i dont htink we answered the question

if you now
give me a set of moral values
how do i know that they are objectively true or not
please flan answer me this

if i tell you that slavery is ok
how can you tell me that im wrong
@drowsy slate its a hyupothical 


im so excited for the answer

so your saying that morality changes

so your saying what we belive is moral chagnes
but there have to be an objective morality somewhwer
that we can use as the referecne
that never chagne
right?

so i ask you again

how do i know
that what you tell me is the objective ones
and not just some arbitrarly ones
that someone made
but i understand you
i just wanna know
how do you know that the objective ones are true

ok
ok
go on
bro this is actually good gif
clever choice

and so
how do i know

how do you judge a set or moral values as objective or not

yeah tell me

u ask me?
im not hte one that says there is objective moral values

for me
i think killing children is bad
most of the time
i cant prove it
tell me why you think it is
btw you are kinda cheating
ur going to the easy questions
that we all aggree to
what about lying
is lying objectivly bad?
like 95%+ of humans are evil, although usually on the low selfish level tilt of the scales
who would want to be a human
be a cat
whey you say dont make sense
u are not bleiving in objective moral values
u are saying
that we can judge morality by brain
that means that its not objective
objectively cats are the best
i ask again how do you know that somehting is objectly right or wrong

is lying objectly bad?
but how do you know the consequesnes
before
u do it
we dont know the future

Commiting arson.
oh ok we good
u see flan the objectiveity of moral values is very very philosofical concept
fire warms you up so, net positive right
i dont know if there is any basis for it out side of religion
for something to be objective
it meanst hat we can use it as a referecne
ill anser the quetion for you
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morality is not like that
Not a good example in this channel though….
there is alot of thought experimetns
very old ones
that hsows how objective morality model doesnt stand
i can give you some to read about
if yo uare interested
5
there are also the moral dilemmas
like the train one u probably know it
it all is desinged to show you
ok mikkj isnt a bot, rest of you are probably bots
that objetive morality is hard to exist
hi
u just need to get a summary of the problem of morality
phantom

hi 


not wrong, theres no such thing as objective morality

yes
nah sorry ancient egyptians were right
faln i can give you the very simple quetsion
cats are the best
to test the objective morality
only thing we can go off off if we want a objective morality are statistics
which arent a good display either

i dont see the rest of you building any pyramids
are you familiar with the trolly problem?
u know it
ah yeah that one where you try and work out how to hit the maximum number of people
god are we gonna have a dogs vs cats convo overlapping with a convo about morality? 
time to watch frieren
the trick is to get the trolley to flip over so you hit both groups
and how do we know that its true
its only fair
1d 16h till new ep

has a correct answer
look, i have it on good authority
by statistics, probably killing the 1 person
but stats arent a good display of that
you get bonus points the higher number of people you hit on one go with the trolly
and i dont know how can anyything thing thhat this has a correct answer

ive played enough gta to work that out

wait i have a vid
faln waait
Ok so, probably not a good example for this, and let’s switch up subjects.
More bad examples, let’s switch it up
objective morality ladies and gentlemen
where objective toes?
i think i sent it before
I love toes

not the ones that you sent me
in sw server

so you probalby saw it
maximize damage?
maximize dmg
will do
if you just fly over it you still kill atleast 1 person
see that is my point flan
just stop the train honestly
thats why we have schools of thoughts
if we had objetive mortliaty there will be a correct asner to all of those problems
yes
but we know that there isnt
in reality its always complicated
like this

every side always have arguemtn
its never white and black
and thats why i cant belive in objective morlaity

i hope i made my point
ofc, u can make a argument to take the 5 guys instead of the 1 guy if the 1 guy is more important
is it though
what if dreams are real and this is the actual dream
you have to wonder how many people act immorally in dreams thinking they don't matter
also
flan the flying train part was a joke
objetive morality should work in hpythiticals

as well as irl
u cant just desmiss the though experiments
and say real life is different
ok to settle this debate ive asked mia and she says the correct thing to do is spend more on gacha
isnt that right mia
im talking bout the real problem
would you chagne the rail to kill only 1 guy or not?

forget the video
its not part of my arguemtn
spend money on fortnite skins
how can you convence someone
that you kill that man
and you dont have the right to do so
?
but
that is your oppenion
how can you provbe that this is the right answer?>

but i dont get it
you dont see
how that we cant aggree on this
means that there is no right answer?

how can you argue agains the someone that thinks its immoral to kill a man to save 2
but ull be supirzed
that 50% of ppl
dissagrree with you
are you jsut gonna say
fk you to all ppl
im right?

there are lots of dilimas like this
that ppl split 50 50
where is the objective morlity

the one that say you cant do it
also says the same
you must be reasonable and logical
and not kill a man to save 2

im gonna watch a shitty isekai 
im proud of you
and tahts it
toes.

forget the fact that you have to t ake decision
u have all the time
to pic the right answer
same
moraility is soemthing our brain invented so we coexist
if you are interested how we develipoed this you can look in to game theory lectiors about human evolutionarily biology

I liked aura's design
i can link you some lecters
but you have only 2 options
u have to choose from them

it didnt
its the heart
of the problem
that there are no objective morality
and we have to invent what works for us
thats it

exactly, it depends on a lot of variables and still there'll be ppl disagreeing with u
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i would suggest that you watch this course
nah you just save whoever has the most total cats
my entirely cat based philosophy wins again
and morility in animals even
the primitve morailyt that animals practice
how ours evolved
very crazy stuff
i do agree, but not everyone will agree with this
doggo and catto together would just stop the train

although they've kinda gone a bit weird when being hunted to extinction
thigns like the prisioner dilemma is very common in the animal kingdom for example
they do very interesting patters
and startigies
its actaully very fun course
if you are interseted
Animal behavior (and as a registered veterinary nurse) I can say that’s not true
nope they care for other animals, have deep social bonds, id really look more into elephants
dolphins on the other hand are monsters
ill add it to my watch list
it actually also talk about intersting stuff other than animals
it gets even into depression and schizophrenia biologically
and the lecturer is very entertaining

It’s not a burden…
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yes


dirac may be a dumbass
im actually dyslexic
i can use that as an execuse
ah disregard then
drama incoming?
Wutchu mean crawling away?

anyone wanna know what my long time plan for the world is?
step 1: take over the world step 2: cats
go sleep
step 3 doggo and catto unite
if you want an actual serious answer
gn
there's 1000+ year harddrives being developed
that could last 10000 or longer, they just havent tested them yet
microsoft silica etc
im gonna put all the cat pictures in a lead lined box, dig a hole
and then when all the humans are dead aliens can have all the cat pictures
sure, i could put grand works of literature etc on there but
i think we all know cat pictures are more valueable
i didnt look into electrical shit in long time
yes and no and no
when it comes specifically to harddrive tech, yes
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/project-silica/ im not making it up
yeah at some pont the quantum effects starts disturbing the work of transistor
if you really want to store stuff for future generations for 10k+ years
so you cant get smaller than something
its a possibility with how fast its advancing
i forgor what
good to know
even with hard physical limits though readable data doesnt really have that kinda limitation
at least to the point where we can store like the whole internet on 100 drives

yeah no humans arent lasting that long
anyhow point is im collecting cat pictures so when we're all dead the aliens have something cute to look at
maybe they'll build robot cats
send me cat pictures

i need to change my alarm to that cat alarm
yes desi i stole ur cat
i seei n the memes
maybe i should fill one of those drives with stuff then claim im the one that made it all

not like they'll know better right
Stop stealing cat
destinylux, sole artist of human history /s

cats will be shared in this channel, it is a rule sir
Wait
How
catge 
ummmh
desi nuking incoming
Ur noob'
everynyan banned

finally my deserved ban came
goodluck boys
let her cook
even saphir is lurking here
!reset the universe

saphir here too its over for all of us including u
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i think what symphony was saying was just to avoid examples that are NSFL. debating morality stuff is fine. examples like murder and kidnapping someone’s kid to murder them aren’t exactly suitable for this space as they’re triggering topics and more than just examples to some people. we trust you know what you’re doing in your debates, just please be more mindful of the details you provide when bringing up examples.

no nuking
My ne alarm 
if you bring those topics up as example then just keep it vague please
dassall
soo steam/black friday sales soon - any game suggestions?
moonstone island
point taken

hollow knight
theres a pretty nice hollow knight themed slay the spire mod


exactly, it’s gonna be viewed differently by everyone so that’s why symphony stepped in ^^ she wasn’t “acting smart” or anything, just keeping in mind that while the convo was between you two, many people can see it and feel negatively about it
just gotta be aware
calra…

looks like its trying to juggle a lot at once
but ill take a look

jokes on u this channel so dead if theres discussions either we all join in or we leave

it’s pokémon and stardew put together 
time to run
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kinda a shame temtem was such a mess
pokemon mmo is a great idea in theory
even if digimon or SMT does the whole thing kinda better
saphir

Im not rly to familiar with mmo
How would a MMO Pokemon game work
dolphins 
uh theres a lot of ways to do mmo's so thats kinda a broad question
Pokemon go isnt a real pokemon game
I still have my gameboy with pokemon leaf green and emerald
chat does go off the rails near midnight though
padoru!!
I did try a Openworld Pokemon game once doe

not rlly
fortunately
10pm here

not wrong
either we go off rails
or we just stay dead
till morning

i dont sleep tho
thats the thing
its true you die each night you sleep and then a new you is made the next morning
thats why i never sleep
but flan, what has that to do with what i said 
u know what lets have a talk about that next time

what makes you you
nver gonna give you up
never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
flan you got more serious about religion in the 2 months i left

i need to study that
that phenomenon

word?

ill write that down
i also have something else in the list
i need to find a spanish dude online
to teach me spanish

it neverlast


mika why arey ou not spanish

i usally give in for things that makes me feel like shit

but i know deep down is true
confort is goodge

this dood cant decide, spanish or german
i have been learning spanish for 2 years almost

and still dont have an internet buddy
im an alcoholic perosn

i used to be
til
my liver kinda died
then i stoped
now i drink every few months
i love alcohol
its amazing
oh boy
Mik speaks Snitzels not Tortilla 
schnitzels gud
Tasty AF

Ja
Neo Anderson u mean 
@winged thunder I think Dirac Protecting his chess king too long made him gay
im bi
he was gay b4 playing chess
see
Bi yourself yes



Roast from the GD developer btw
Damn Dirac waste no time
Right to embrace Phase
I have no gay joke atm
Change the W to 
im sure dirac would welcome that change
Ic meme
I use meme 

exactly
Mik who do you think

Just pick a damn choice
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