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boreal hedge
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but i wanna know

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actually

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u probably need to ask yourself

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what is your motivation here

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is it really their happeness

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or you just want to be right

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i know that i want them to be happy thats why i follow the evedince

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and statistics

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more freedom = happenss

deft socket
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I'm not happy, and it's cause of stupid people irl so i became so sheltered inside myself that i'm practically scared to ask people for help.

boreal hedge
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its has been proven again and again

deft socket
boreal hedge
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thats why we use averages and stuff like that

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we dont use anicdots

deft socket
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Averages and statistics lie.

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Everyday its a lie.

boreal hedge
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if i have to tell you why science works

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we will have to start from very far back

deft socket
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Science doesn't work.

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Cause.

boreal hedge
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but

deft socket
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It's always changing

boreal hedge
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but...

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but

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science is goodge

deft socket
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Your talking to a scientist. Someone who loves to talk about philosophy

boreal hedge
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we have phones and shit

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and interenet

deft socket
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For material stuff

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Yes

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But for statistics, the truth. And the results point that they lie

boreal hedge
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i dont agree

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hehe im joking

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i understand that some stats can be biased and deciving

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100% that can happen

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thats why we do meta analysis

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u can measure the good and bad stats

deft socket
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Meta analysis doesn't work.

boreal hedge
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are you familiar with how we do experiments and pulls?

deft socket
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Yes.

boreal hedge
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do you know what p value is?

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baysian analysis

deft socket
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Control and test populations and such

boreal hedge
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prior and posterior distribuitons

inner pilot
boreal hedge
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i argue that they work

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as i experiance them working every day

deft socket
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Happiness can not be determined by a statistic

boreal hedge
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as a data scientest in a gaming company

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i belive this in my heart

deft socket
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You have to go each person

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Lemme brb

boreal hedge
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flan = PatrickEvil

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sorry

deft socket
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Okay, if we take this image here, what can we infer?

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Its ~4 star game correct?

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Its a game.

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Lemme show you the review counts.

boreal hedge
deft socket
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Statistics lie.

boreal hedge
inner pilot
deft socket
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People put fake reviews on games.

boreal hedge
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it might be too late at night for me to see how this destroys our statistical models

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but i dont know what the end goal of our convo is

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i feel like we drafted from the original thing

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the quetsion was

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if someone comes to me and say im a cat

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how should i react

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thats it?

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no wasnt that

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that they want to marry a cat

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yes?

inner pilot
boreal hedge
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i dont know the extent effect of that

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i honestly dont know

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im welling to experment tho

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lets see how allowing and not allowing ppl to do that

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affects tthe general important KPIs

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KPIS = Key performance indicators

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so somehting like succide rate

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or

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income

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and other stuff

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if it has positive change

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i will support it

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as simple as that

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ofc

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so there will be a sample of ppl claiming that right?

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take them

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split them 50% 50%

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first group get to do what they wnat

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other group gets opresed to not do it

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and we study the difference betweent he 2 gorups

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if this takes us back to that

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then that means that is the good thing to do

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u see

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if that is how humans reach the maximum KPIs values

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then so be it

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but u know

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it never did

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this method is waht got us to the good things we have no

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we are using this as the reference

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how do you know that the objective rules you have are actually true

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hwo do you verify that

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but what are you saying here

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what are those objective rules

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and how

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can we know they are objective

winged thunder
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smartge what we talking about

boreal hedge
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point stands

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there is no way

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u can prove anything objectively

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thati s the problem

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we invented it

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we cant prove that its true

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all we know that it works

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we measrue it

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that doesnt make it objective

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i dont belive science is objective

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i belive that it works

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ofc it isnt

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we cant prove the simple premises of scicne

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i cant know

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that the boiling temp of water

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wouldnt change tomroow

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yet it doesnt

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i cant prove that it wount

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i turst it

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yeah but the thing is

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u said it

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science is the tool

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so how do we wpply this tool

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on morality

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sadly we cant

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so i dont htink we answered the question

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if you now

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give me a set of moral values

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how do i know that they are objectively true or not

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please flan answer me this

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if i tell you that slavery is ok

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how can you tell me that im wrong

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@drowsy slate its a hyupothical PeepoKnife

inner pilot
boreal hedge
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im so excited for the answer

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so your saying that morality changes

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so your saying what we belive is moral chagnes

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but there have to be an objective morality somewhwer

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that we can use as the referecne

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that never chagne

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right?

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so i ask you again

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how do i know

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that what you tell me is the objective ones

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and not just some arbitrarly ones

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that someone made

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but i understand you

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i just wanna know

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how do you know that the objective ones are true

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ok

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ok

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go on

inner pilot
boreal hedge
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bro this is actually good gif

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clever choice

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and so

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how do i know

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how do you judge a set or moral values as objective or not

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yeah tell me

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u ask me?

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im not hte one that says there is objective moral values

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for me

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i think killing children is bad

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most of the time

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i cant prove it

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tell me why you think it is

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btw you are kinda cheating

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ur going to the easy questions

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that we all aggree to

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what about lying

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is lying objectivly bad?

lament prairie
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like 95%+ of humans are evil, although usually on the low selfish level tilt of the scales

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who would want to be a human

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be a cat

boreal hedge
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whey you say dont make sense

boreal hedge
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u are not bleiving in objective moral values

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u are saying

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that we can judge morality by brain

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that means that its not objective

lament prairie
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objectively cats are the best

boreal hedge
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i ask again how do you know that somehting is objectly right or wrong

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is lying objectly bad?

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but how do you know the consequesnes

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before

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u do it

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we dont know the future

maiden verge
boreal hedge
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just for legal reasons

lament prairie
boreal hedge
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i sutgest that you dont do that

lament prairie
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and where were you last night at 8pm

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i need to check your alibi

deft socket
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Commiting arson.

lament prairie
deft socket
boreal hedge
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u see flan the objectiveity of moral values is very very philosofical concept

inner pilot
lament prairie
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fire warms you up so, net positive right

boreal hedge
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i dont know if there is any basis for it out side of religion

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for something to be objective

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it meanst hat we can use it as a referecne

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ill anser the quetion for you

lament prairie
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||who set the chat bots loose in here again||

boreal hedge
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objective means it doesnt need a proof

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its like 1+1 = 2

lament prairie
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||captcha: how many trucks are in this image||

boreal hedge
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morality is not like that

maiden verge
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Not a good example in this channel though….

boreal hedge
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there is alot of thought experimetns

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very old ones

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that hsows how objective morality model doesnt stand

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i can give you some to read about

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if yo uare interested

boreal hedge
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there are also the moral dilemmas

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like the train one u probably know it

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it all is desinged to show you

lament prairie
boreal hedge
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that objetive morality is hard to exist

boreal hedge
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read about euthyphro dilemma

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or before

elder steeple
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hi

boreal hedge
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u just need to get a summary of the problem of morality

winged thunder
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miahi phantom

elder steeple
boreal hedge
stable fiber
elder steeple
winged thunder
deft socket
lament prairie
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nah sorry ancient egyptians were right

boreal hedge
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faln i can give you the very simple quetsion

lament prairie
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cats are the best

boreal hedge
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to test the objective morality

winged thunder
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only thing we can go off off if we want a objective morality are statisticsShruge which arent a good display either

boreal hedge
lament prairie
inner pilot
lament prairie
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i dont see the rest of you building any pyramids

boreal hedge
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are you familiar with the trolly problem?

modest tide
boreal hedge
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u know it

lament prairie
boreal hedge
winged thunder
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god are we gonna have a dogs vs cats convo overlapping with a convo about morality? KEKG

boreal hedge
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what does objective moraltiy say here

elder steeple
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time to watch frieren

lament prairie
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the trick is to get the trolley to flip over so you hit both groups

boreal hedge
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and how do we know that its true

lament prairie
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its only fair

boreal hedge
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seeeeeeeeeeeee

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u said my answer

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that means

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there is no objective morlity

modest tide
boreal hedge
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if there is objictive moratiy that means

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this problem

modest tide
boreal hedge
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has a correct answer

lament prairie
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look, i have it on good authority

winged thunder
lament prairie
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you get bonus points the higher number of people you hit on one go with the trolly

boreal hedge
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and i dont know how can anyything thing thhat this has a correct answer

elder steeple
lament prairie
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ive played enough gta to work that out

maiden verge
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Ok so, probably not a good example for this, and let’s switch up subjects.

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More bad examples, let’s switch it up

boreal hedge
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@boreal hedge @winged thunder

boreal hedge
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objective morality ladies and gentlemen

modest tide
boreal hedge
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i think i sent it before

modest tide
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I love toes

boreal hedge
modest tide
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not the ones that you sent me

boreal hedge
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in sw server

modest tide
boreal hedge
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so you probalby saw it

winged thunder
boreal hedge
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maximize dmg

winged thunder
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mianoted will do

boreal hedge
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is the oposite of utilitarianism

modest tide
boreal hedge
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see that is my point flan

modest tide
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just stop the train honestly

boreal hedge
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thats why we have schools of thoughts

modest tide
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wheres hulk when we need him

boreal hedge
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if we had objetive mortliaty there will be a correct asner to all of those problems

winged thunder
boreal hedge
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but we know that there isnt

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in reality its always complicated

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like this

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every side always have arguemtn

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its never white and black

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and thats why i cant belive in objective morlaity

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i hope i made my point

modest tide
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Why is tane so cute?

winged thunder
boreal hedge
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but thats what we have in life

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its very real

lament prairie
boreal hedge
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but

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we have those

lament prairie
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what if dreams are real and this is the actual dream

boreal hedge
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in every day life

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fr

inner pilot
lament prairie
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you have to wonder how many people act immorally in dreams thinking they don't matter

boreal hedge
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also

winged thunder
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flan the flying train part was a jokehmmnoted

boreal hedge
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objetive morality should work in hpythiticals

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as well as irl

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u cant just desmiss the though experiments

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and say real life is different

boreal hedge
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its cearly problematic

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to not have right anser

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hehe

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no

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forget the video

lament prairie
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ok to settle this debate ive asked mia and she says the correct thing to do is spend more on gacha

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isnt that right mia

boreal hedge
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im talking bout the real problem

boreal hedge
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would you chagne the rail to kill only 1 guy or not?

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forget the video

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its not part of my arguemtn

boreal hedge
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how can you convence someone

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that you kill that man

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and you dont have the right to do so

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?

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but

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that is your oppenion

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how can you provbe that this is the right answer?>

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but i dont get it

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you dont see

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how that we cant aggree on this

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means that there is no right answer?

lament prairie
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||oh no the chat bots are stuck in a recursion loop||

boreal hedge
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how can you argue agains the someone that thinks its immoral to kill a man to save 2

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but ull be supirzed

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that 50% of ppl

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dissagrree with you

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are you jsut gonna say

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fk you to all ppl

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im right?

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there are lots of dilimas like this

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that ppl split 50 50

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where is the objective morlity

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the one that say you cant do it

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also says the same

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you must be reasonable and logical

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and not kill a man to save 2

elder steeple
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im gonna watch a shitty isekai miapopcorn

boreal hedge
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and tahts it

modest tide
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toes.

boreal hedge
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my case rest

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im tired now

modest tide
boreal hedge
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forget the fact that you have to t ake decision

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u have all the time

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to pic the right answer

modest tide
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aaaaaaaaaaaa I cant wait for frieren

boreal hedge
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(there is no right answer)

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thats the point

elder steeple
boreal hedge
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moraility is soemthing our brain invented so we coexist

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if you are interested how we develipoed this you can look in to game theory lectiors about human evolutionarily biology

elder steeple
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I liked aura's design

boreal hedge
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i can link you some lecters

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but you have only 2 options

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u have to choose from them

modest tide
boreal hedge
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it didnt

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its the heart

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of the problem

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that there are no objective morality

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and we have to invent what works for us

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thats it

winged thunder
modest tide
boreal hedge
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i would suggest that you watch this course

lament prairie
boreal hedge
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this dude actually digs deep in game thoruy

lament prairie
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my entirely cat based philosophy wins again

boreal hedge
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and morility in animals even

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the primitve morailyt that animals practice

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how ours evolved

boreal hedge
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thats where your wrong

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ull be suprized

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how many patters there are

boreal hedge
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very crazy stuff

winged thunder
modest tide
lament prairie
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nah a lot of animals are more moral than humans

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elephants for one

modest tide
lament prairie
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although they've kinda gone a bit weird when being hunted to extinction

boreal hedge
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thigns like the prisioner dilemma is very common in the animal kingdom for example

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they do very interesting patters

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and startigies

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its actaully very fun course

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if you are interseted

maiden verge
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Animal behavior (and as a registered veterinary nurse) I can say that’s not true

lament prairie
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nope they care for other animals, have deep social bonds, id really look more into elephants

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dolphins on the other hand are monsters

winged thunder
lament prairie
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do not look up about dolphins

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it will ruin your day

boreal hedge
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it gets even into depression and schizophrenia biologically

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and the lecturer is very entertaining

maiden verge
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It’s not a burden…

lament prairie
winged thunder
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dirac may be a dumbass

boreal hedge
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im actually dyslexic

winged thunder
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but at the same time i dont believe hes dumb

boreal hedge
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i can use that as an execuse

lament prairie
modest tide
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drama incoming?

maiden verge
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Wutchu mean crawling away?

modest tide
lament prairie
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anyone wanna know what my long time plan for the world is?

boreal hedge
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aight boys

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that took all my energy

lament prairie
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step 1: take over the world step 2: cats

winged thunder
boreal hedge
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ill go sleep

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but first

modest tide
boreal hedge
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dinner

lament prairie
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if you want an actual serious answer

winged thunder
lament prairie
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there's 1000+ year harddrives being developed

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that could last 10000 or longer, they just havent tested them yet

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microsoft silica etc

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im gonna put all the cat pictures in a lead lined box, dig a hole

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and then when all the humans are dead aliens can have all the cat pictures

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sure, i could put grand works of literature etc on there but

boreal hedge
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did we break moores law yet?

lament prairie
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i think we all know cat pictures are more valueable

boreal hedge
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i didnt look into electrical shit in long time

lament prairie
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when it comes specifically to harddrive tech, yes

boreal hedge
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yeah at some pont the quantum effects starts disturbing the work of transistor

lament prairie
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if you really want to store stuff for future generations for 10k+ years

boreal hedge
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so you cant get smaller than something

lament prairie
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its a possibility with how fast its advancing

boreal hedge
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i forgor what

winged thunder
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hmmnoted good to know

lament prairie
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at least to the point where we can store like the whole internet on 100 drives

boreal hedge
lament prairie
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yeah no humans arent lasting that long

boreal hedge
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50 yeats top

lament prairie
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anyhow point is im collecting cat pictures so when we're all dead the aliens have something cute to look at

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maybe they'll build robot cats

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send me cat pictures

winged thunder
boreal hedge
lament prairie
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stop trying to drink me with that straw

boreal hedge
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i need to change my alarm to that cat alarm

winged thunder
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yes desi i stole ur cathmmnoted

boreal hedge
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i seei n the memes

lament prairie
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maybe i should fill one of those drives with stuff then claim im the one that made it all

hearty schooner
lament prairie
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not like they'll know better right

hearty schooner
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Stop stealing cat

lament prairie
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destinylux, sole artist of human history /s

modest tide
winged thunder
modest tide
boreal hedge
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catge peepoBedge

gentle grove
boreal hedge
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clara

hearty schooner
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ummmh

gentle grove
modest tide
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desi nuking incoming

hearty schooner
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Ur noob'

modest tide
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everynyan banned

gentle grove
modest tide
winged thunder
boreal hedge
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ban is ocming

gentle grove
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goodluck boys

elder steeple
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let her cook

modest tide
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even saphir is lurking here

elder steeple
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!reset the universe

modest tide
winged thunder
hearty schooner
modest tide
junior knoll
lament prairie
modest tide
proven stag
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i think what symphony was saying was just to avoid examples that are NSFL. debating morality stuff is fine. examples like murder and kidnapping someone’s kid to murder them aren’t exactly suitable for this space as they’re triggering topics and more than just examples to some people. we trust you know what you’re doing in your debates, just please be more mindful of the details you provide when bringing up examples.

modest tide
winged thunder
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KEKWait no nuking

boreal hedge
proven stag
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if you bring those topics up as example then just keep it vague pleasePanic dassall

lament prairie
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soo steam/black friday sales soon - any game suggestions?

proven stag
modest tide
boreal hedge
winged thunder
lament prairie
boreal hedge
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altho i think if i make cats my alarm ill hate them

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maybe its not a good idea

modest tide
boreal hedge
proven stag
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exactly, it’s gonna be viewed differently by everyone so that’s why symphony stepped in ^^ she wasn’t “acting smart” or anything, just keeping in mind that while the convo was between you two, many people can see it and feel negatively about itlovemia just gotta be aware

modest tide
proven stag
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like dis

boreal hedge
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im getting bullied by calra

proven stag
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calra…

rocky tangle
lament prairie
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but ill take a look

boreal hedge
modest tide
winged thunder
proven stag
rocky tangle
elder steeple
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time to run

modest tide
junior knoll
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Also, a reminder that disagreements with a moderator's request are to be sent privately (using ModMail, preferably) ;)

lament prairie
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pokemon mmo is a great idea in theory

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even if digimon or SMT does the whole thing kinda better

lament prairie
rocky tangle
winged thunder
lament prairie
rocky tangle
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Pokemon go isnt a real pokemon game

lament prairie
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:p

boreal hedge
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i have a queisotn

rocky tangle
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Combat is just spam oj ur screen there

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It removed the important core combat

boreal hedge
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i feel like after 12am tof disc peepos come here

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(not complaining ofc)

lament prairie
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when i cant sleep listening to some inane chatter helps

boreal hedge
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but that happens everyday

elder steeple
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I still have my gameboy with pokemon leaf green and emerald

lament prairie
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chat does go off the rails near midnight though

modest tide
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padoru!!

rocky tangle
modest tide
winged thunder
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fortunately

elder steeple
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10pm here

boreal hedge
winged thunder
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either we go off rails

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or we just stay dead

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till morning

boreal hedge
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i pref dead

winged thunder
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i dont sleep tho

winged thunder
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thats the thing

boreal hedge
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im daed when im not sleep too

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daed

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wtf

lament prairie
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its true you die each night you sleep and then a new you is made the next morning

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thats why i never sleep

boreal hedge
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but

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new u is made up every moment

winged thunder
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but flan, what has that to do with what i said KEKG

boreal hedge
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u know what lets have a talk about that next time

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what makes you you

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nver gonna give you up

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never gonna let you down

rocky tangle
boreal hedge
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Never gonna run around and desert you

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flan you got more serious about religion in the 2 months i left

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i need to study that

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that phenomenon

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word?

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ill write that down

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i also have something else in the list

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i need to find a spanish dude online

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to teach me spanish

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it neverlast

boreal hedge
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mika why arey ou not spanish

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i usally give in for things that makes me feel like shit

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but i know deep down is true

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confort is goodge

winged thunder
boreal hedge
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and still dont have an internet buddy

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im an alcoholic perosn

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i used to be

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til

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my liver kinda died

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then i stoped

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now i drink every few months

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i love alcohol

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its amazing

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oh boy

rocky tangle
boreal hedge
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but the day after

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oh boy

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u fele like

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u just

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dont wanna live

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every time

boreal hedge
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i get drunk

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i say

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this is my last time

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i swear

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never agian

rocky tangle
boreal hedge
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the next night

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🍻

winged thunder
boreal hedge
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indulge

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in food now

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true

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or greatest relief

rocky tangle
boreal hedge
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is that john wick

rocky tangle
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Ja

boreal hedge
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that dude is so fkn hot

rocky tangle
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Neo Anderson u mean OhNo

rocky tangle
winged thunder
boreal hedge
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everyohne knows that

winged thunder
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NODDERS see

rocky tangle
rocky tangle
boreal hedge
rocky tangle
rocky tangle
boreal hedge
rocky tangle
boreal hedge
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you know what im gay

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i wanna hear the gay joke

rocky tangle
boreal hedge
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hehe i just wanna hear the gay joke

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if bi is bi-yourself

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what is ggay

rocky tangle
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I have no gay joke atm

boreal hedge
rocky tangle
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Change the W to Trolling

winged thunder
boreal hedge
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you fuckers are having fun ha?

winged thunder
rocky tangle
boreal hedge
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im not saying that

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hmmnoted exactly

rocky tangle
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Nice
I got smth to watch when I wake up tmw for coffee

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Ape will win trust

rocky tangle
winged thunder
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Just pick a damn choice

boreal hedge
soft mesa
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Just found this on recommended.
LOTS of inspiration from Warframe, Genshin and maybe some other games I feel like.
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anime warframe

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id guess its at least a year out like most of these games though

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zealous narwhal
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hearty schooner
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My mom just send me a new photo of my cat (He came back to my mother's house after disappearing for 6 months)

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@lunar tulip 1259hr on Apex....

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inner pilot
rigid lotus
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hae haeee chat

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Hi Hi @zealous narwhal lovemia

past quartz
hearty schooner
past quartz
inner pilot
hearty schooner
past quartz
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i probably got more from when i had my ps4 zekek

hearty schooner
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apex and last of us supply run multiplayer was the best miacrying

marble lion
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@south garnet rapi had a massive glow up

inner pilot
river eagle
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afterlife meeting

final nebula
obsidian grove
final nebula
gray mauve
rocky tangle
dark jetty
marble lion
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i just want kafka artifacts

inner pilot
zealous narwhal
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hae haee chat nodders

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1 of the dopest Coating intros I've seen so far

river eagle
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_huang i heard it's in trouble for sometime now, but that's just a ytuber opinion

frank wren
final nebula
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miasus this mod

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HUH

final nebula
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extra sus

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WARUM DAS

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😭

inner pilot
frank wren
zealous narwhal
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hae haee chat

lament prairie
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things dont look great

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the one co-op mode queue times have been way too long for a while now on snowbreak

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in tof if im spending over a minute making a group even for endgame stuff when there's a massive amount more modes splitting playerbase something has gone wrong

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well, two minutes i guess to be fair for oow/va

river eagle
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Jingliuderp ah right, ihaven't done oow and va yet

boreal hedge
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Fr tho

frank wren
boreal hedge
frank wren
marble lion
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frank wren
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Add script to ban everyone who plays League

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(I would get banned)

marble lion
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i wouldnt

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never touched it necomia

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and never will

frank wren
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I used to be

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Semi-professional / amateur level player

winged thunder
final nebula
frank wren
final nebula
frank wren
inner pilot
zealous narwhal
marble lion
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topazus

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Anarchy

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Taxes

marble lion
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huangangry topaz hated me tho

frank wren
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Mine is maxed out

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💀

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With LC

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Maxed

marble lion
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wtf whel

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share it

boreal hedge
frank wren
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Zwag ruined my league game play

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I can never play normal builds anymore

boreal hedge
river eagle
frank wren
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💀

boreal hedge
frank wren
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I play mostly mid

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But I only play mages

zealous narwhal
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auto ban viegar

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viegar is suck

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ban yasuo

frank wren
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I never ban Yasuo

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I would just pick something like

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Rumble

inner pilot
boreal hedge
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I even made a tshirt for him

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Hasagi

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0/10 powerspike 💯

final nebula
boreal hedge
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and still bronze

boreal hedge
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Paid around 500 dollars on my account

final nebula
boreal hedge
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Squitty why are u mean

final nebula
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cant p2w in league Madgeclap

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Staph

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No bulli

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I quite league after i saw what invoker is

final nebula
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but azir is harder

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invoker is brainless

boreal hedge
raw oasis
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Who?

boreal hedge
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I dont think u believe that

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Invoker is not about being hard

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Its about the art

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Of casting spell

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A true mage

boreal hedge
raw oasis
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Both

boreal hedge
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Do u play any mobas?

raw oasis
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Yes

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Invoker is from dota

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Azir is in lol

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I generated this with ai

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@final nebula

inner pilot
boreal hedge
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Invoker casting spells so fast

final nebula
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invoker still brainless

boreal hedge
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He burned the keyboard

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Or or

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Invoker flaming teammates

final nebula
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if you want to click keyboard fast play meepo or chen

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