Primitive Mobs Absurdcraft Edition / "Futuristic Mobs"

[dreamy helm]

https://github.com/sporotofpoorety/PrimitiveMobsAbsurdcraft

Honestly i lost track of everything i changed so i'll write it as i recall it

Initial release changelog:

Blazing Juggernaut:

• Its movement is comprised of several components at once, and now each of them is separately configurable in strength to make its charge attack difficulty completely customizable
• Heavily nerfed default charge attack speed to address balance complaints about this mob
• Now (configurable) it will always perform its charge attack if it has a target instead of becoming a slow sitting duck if the target isn't close enough, to compensate for this
• Configurable melee reach

Camouflage Armor:

• Very customizable logic, you can now choose whether it overrides mob sight range or divides it by specified amounts, as well as whether it fails if the target attacked or has been attacked by you

Chameleon:

• Configurable HP
• Configurable HP increase when tamed
• Cannot be targetted by hostile mobs (may be useful with SRP or other hostile mobs that attack passive mobs)
• Gives any configurable buff (default is invisibility) when near its owner

Festive Creeper:

• Configurable explosion power for both normal and charged variant
• Configurable retreat range
• TNT ring special attack (disabled by default)
• Configurable attack range

Filch Lizard:

• Configurable steal item list
• Configurable spawn item list and chances

Flame Spewer:

• Configurable projectile spread

Harpy:

• Configurable damage (disabled by default) while holding you
• Configurable condition for when they let go of you (How much time and/or damage and/or total hits needed)
• Configurable base and flight speed

Rocket Creeper:

• Configurable explosion power, charged explosion power, fuse timer and fuse distance
• Nuke attack behavior
• Nuke attack sounds
• Nuke attack configs (a lot of them)
• POSTPONED DUE TO TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES Nuke attack visuals

Skeleton Warrior:

• Config option for what effect if any their arrows apply (None by default as a nerf)
• Config option for melee distance
• Config option for strafe distance
• Config option for fire rate
• Config option for arrow speed
• Config option for shot inaccuracy

Support Creeper:

• Configurable buffs, length and potency
• Configurable potency for charged

Trollager:

• Configurable explosion power
• Configurable block hitbox scale
• Make sure explosion position is adjusted properly so it doesn't dig itself down
• VERY BUGGY AND I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT OPENGL NEED HELP Block visual scale
• Block shadow scale
• Landing particle scale
• Configurable if attacks while ridden
• Configurable if it turns to stone
• Configurable range for melee and smash attacks

Void Eye:

• Configuration option for whether they can attack through walls (Disabled by default because it can be annoying and primitive mobs itself doesn't let you tweak it)
• Configurable delay before Void Eye attack lands

[finite flax]

LETS FUCKING GOOOO

[dreamy helm]

Ok i don't wanna disappoint you so i should give a disclaimer immediately that the item and mob names are broken (probably because this mod uses such an outdated version of forge) and i still haven't figured out how to solve this

So it's not quite modpack ready yet

[dreamy helm]

As well as some technical difficulties with changing the visuals on 2 of the mobs to match new logic and behavior (although the logic and behavior itself is working fine)

I posted this repo here partially because i want help fixing these issues because they're related to things i'm either still completely clueless about and can't find good documentation on (like registering item and entity names) or didn't think were worth the time investment of doing by myself before releasing the fork

Anyways, back to writing the changes

[wary oracle]

So fucking goated

[dreamy helm]

KNOWN ISSUES:

• I can't get the Trollager's thrown block to visually scale with its hitbox config without it breaking, falling blocks may have a hardcoded visual size and i know nothing about OpenGL which further compounds the difficulties
• Item and entity names are broken (they display what seems to be a translation key path instead of their actual names) and i already tried many solutions without any of them working, this is probably because the original mod uses an extremely outdated forge version, but even when i tried changing the item and entity name registration functions to what seems like more modern counterparts, it didn't fix the issue
• Nuke attack visuals are not implemented yet due to technical difficulties with making the separate internal logic of the Rocket Creeper's special attack (as opposed to its normal explosion attack) also manipulate its visual state since it doesn't overlap, by design, with regular attack logic, as well as me wanting to replicate a cool looking particle effect from an abandoned closed source mod (i still struggle working with those)
• The Flame Spewer and its projectile both have really hardcoded, finnicky and unintuitive internal logic so it's by far the mob i struggled the most with changing, i had to put most of my planned changes for it in the backburner

NEAR FUTURE PLANS (EXCLUDING BUG FIXES):

• Figure out how to modify the Flame Spewer more without it breaking
• Void Eye debuff list config
• Give Festive and Support creepers their own nuke attacks (disabled by default)
• Figure out mixins to give vanilla creepers their own nuke attack (also disabled by default)
• Improvements to another passive mob (If i get/am suggested a good next idea for that)
• Suggestions welcome

It's worth noting for context that a lot of the changes in this fork are disabled by default because they don't make sense in the context of a vanilla+ playthrough, and are meant for my extremely overpowered modpack balanced around Scape and Run Parasites and to help make the mobs extremely OP too in ways beyond bland stat increases

So i can do things like this in the future for example

[dreamy helm]

So far i've focused on AI and left attribute configs mostly untouched because i already use rough mobs revamped for that

But admittedly there's some important stats that attributes don't affect so i'll go over those and make them configurable in the near future too

[finite flax]

yes pls

rmr doesnt work for most mobs

[dreamy helm]

If you give me a list of specific values on specific mobs that RMR can't control i'll target those

[dreamy helm]

In terms of default configs this is easier than the original primitive mobs

Every problematic/hated mob has been nerfed

• Blazing Juggernaut
• Skeleton Warrior
• Void Eye

[dreamy helm]

Thanks lol i really appreciate making something people enjoy

@finite flax I'd really appreciate if you can contact an experienced modder to help fix the first 2 listed issues (especially the broken registry names one)

The last 2 i feel like i can manage on my own because those are more mob logic related which i currently struggle way less with than visuals and forge API stuff like registry names are, except maybe if the mob is really finnicky like the Flame Spewer

Also i forgot to post a download jar gimme a minute

[finite flax]

should rly put jars on gh releases instead

for file director downloads

[dreamy helm]

Yeah, i'm still new to git and github so i forgot that was a thing

[wary oracle]

You can definitely find someone that would help here, you could also ask in general help

[golden lynx]

And also very excited for the fork this mod needs some of the changes that are the glaring issues of this mod but still the mobs of this mod are fun

[golden lynx]

Example of undertale in Minecraft lmao

[dreamy helm]

By the glaring issues part did you mean the glaring issues with my fork (i'm aware there are still 2 bugs left, but they have proven daunting to fix without help), or glaring issues with the original mod?

If you think there's any issues with the original mod i haven't fixed then feel free to tell me

Funnily enough i did fix a bug with the original mod that wasn't just visual but could actually crash the game unlike my bugs lol, at least that evens the score a bit

[golden lynx]

Glaring issues from the original mod i mean lack of important config options and mob balance
There is a bug in the orginal mod of Void Eye where it won't despawn if we switch it to peaceful mode

[dreamy helm]

Ah, okay

I'll look into that

It's also worth noting in terms of suggestions that i'm not accepting suggestions of completely new content for the foreseeable future, only changes to existing content or some ideas for harder/upgraded variants of existing mobs that are already planned as is

There's several reasons for this and it's not that i'm opposed to new content, but if a Terraria analogy means anything to you, my modpack's goal is to be more of a Fargo's Souls mod than Calamity in terms of what it does/adds to the game, there's already so much content to pull from in modded Minecraft that i generally prefer to improve content than make new content

[golden lynx]

Okay i may suggest some more qol config options once 1.0 drops for this fork

[dreamy helm]

Feel free to suggest them even now

I'll continue work on this even before i fix those 2 bugs (which i don't feel confident doing by myself anyways, i'll ask for help there)

[golden lynx]

Alright i will note down all the suggestions here then

[golden lynx]

All the suggestions for make some of the mobs customizable to be better

1. Configurable loot for Haunted Tool , Bewitchment Tome and Treasure Slime
   ->To configure all the loot they dropped for Haunted Tool and Tresure Slime in the config options for both adding and removing the loot tables
   ->And as of Bewitchment Tome the configuration can be what kind of book type they can drop i mean the modded books such as Spell Books and Ancient Tomes he will also have a chance to drop that so we can config the type of book also that he can drop

2. Configurable breeding foods for the Dodo which you can gave it to breed them
   ->So we can add or remove the specific foods which can be given to dodos when breeding cause they demand different foods to breeding and it only limited to vanilla foods and seeds

3. Brain Slime Buff to what potion effects can be multipe btw will the Brain Slime give when it laches onto your head
   For example: Brain Slime can gave you nausea when he laches onto you without an helmet
   ->Can have a exclusive option if the brain slime can still give you the configured effects even if you wore a helmet

4.Skeleton Warrior
For skeletion warrior can we determined the gear which he will spawn from
For example: We can have a chance to make him spawn with a different sword , bow or helemet configurable of what gear he will spwan from with the spwan chance

5.IDK if the Sheepman , Lost Miner and Travelling merchant have an option to change their trades loot tables tho but if not that would be cool too
But no idea if they do that

6. All the creepers from this mod
   Their chances to drop the mystery egg config option

[dreamy helm]

1 has some things that seem unnecessary or will involve some complications relative to their importance, 2 seems easy enough so i'll definitely do it, 3 seems easy enough, 4 seems kinda unnecessary because i honestly don't like the random mob gear mechanic to begin with compared to just changing their stats directly if buffing them is desired, too volatile, i might do 5, for 6 i already use a mob that can easily edit mob drops but still easy enough that i'll definitely implement

Those 3 mobs listed in item 1 are the ones i felt were least important and hardest to fix or improve when i first set out to make this fork

Cause they kinda just feel like they exist just to drop their respective loot and don't have anything else going for them

And actually reworking them to where say, different enchantments would give the bewitched tome different abilities and different haunted tools would have different attacks, would be a nightmare in terms of complexity for how relatively unimportant they are

[golden lynx]

Yeah but their respective loot is fully vanilla and treasure slime has a annoying drop of cakes tho

[dreamy helm]

Yeah don't get me wrong i can still give them some tweaks

But they were always a low priority for me because i don't expect to be able to really change them drastically enough (or at least it wouldn't be worth going far beyond a few tweaks) to where i would want to put them in my modpack to begin with

Altho in the case of haunted tools

I distinctly remember that rebirth of the night had modded haunted tools like spartan weaponry

So i don't think changing them specifically will be needed if i'm not missing anything

[golden lynx]

Yeah i did saw in teh offical mod page that the tool they spawned can be changed in loot tables like need to look on that too same goes for treasure slime but do have to see how to do that

[dreamy helm]

Now that i think about it the traveling merchant is just straight up redundant now that we have backported wandering trader

Like a Daniel vs Cooler Daniel situation

It's borderline worth deleting from the mod

[golden lynx]

Yeah travelling Merchant is like a Wandering Trader but an option to bribe them an emerald block to permanently stay them there

[dreamy helm]

Oh, i forgot about that

I'd still rather make that a feature in the wandering trader mod than have two mobs that serve the same purpose but one having worse visuals and simpler mechanics

[golden lynx]

Yeah me too

[dreamy helm]

Sheepman does at least serve the purpose of being nether specific

[golden lynx]

And Miner Villager also to be a villager found in caves

[dreamy helm]

Yeah

Altho it was buggy last time i tested

At least when i spawned it in creative

I don't mean my fork made it buggy

I mean it was buggy in the original primitive mobs for me at least

Might have been a mod incompatibility but i have no clue which lol

Like even when i took him to the surface he still didn't give me anything

[golden lynx]

It was working fine with the original primitive mobs mod meet that villager many times in caves so seems to be a mod incompat issue

[dreamy helm]

Maybe it doesn't spawn right if you use a spawn egg

I'll look into that

I do like the mob

And think it still serves quite a good purpose unlike the traveling merchant, treasure slime, tool and book

[golden lynx]

Yeah only naturally spawned Miner Villagers gaves the reward if you gude him to the surface cause i have did that 2 times in my playthroughs

Ok i see the original mod page and the loot tables for haunted tool and treasure slime do support the modded items and weapons

So i think i will change their loot tables that way

[dreamy helm]

I identified that rotn uses crafttweaker for that

The loot they drop determines what tools they can spawn as too btw

[golden lynx]

Yeah that would makes sense they visually look like those tools too

[dreamy helm]

It's actually pretty cool to me that they made a dynamic system like that from a programming perspective, even if i don't think the mob itself contributes a lot gameplay wise

I might use it as a reference for random mob variants if i ever implement those in the future

[golden lynx]

But still contributes as a surprise factor for an encounter that would be enough for me

Ok i did found the script to how to change the loottables so i will use that to change it for haunt tool and treasure slime

[wary oracle]

Trueee

[flat bluff]

I'm a huge fan of primitive mobs, so I just wanted to thank you for this 😄

[dreamy helm]

Version 1.0.1 is out

I wasn't keeping track of everything i did so i'll write the changelog as i remember

I should make smaller commits so i can actually remember everything i did lol

[dreamy helm]

--- Futuristic Mobs 1.0.1 changelog ---

Brain Slime

• Configurable if it can attack through helmets or not

Dodo

• Configurable breeding item list

Flame Spewer

• Configurable attack cooldown
• Configurable fire rate
• Configurable total shots
• Configurable invulnerability period
• Changed misleadingly named configurable shot "acceleration" to configurable shot spread

Goblin

• New modernized texture (Courtesy of @dawn oak)

Harpy

• Configurable lifting speed

Rocket Creeper

• Special attack explosion power now separately configurable from default explosion power

Skeleton Warrior

• Configurable arrow damage

Traveling Merchant

• Deleted from the mod (Might pull request paying emeralds for him to stay into Smileycorp's wandering trader)

Trollager

• Explosive attack can be set to have a separate destructive and non-destructive radius to make it harder to dodge without being more destructive

Treasure Slime

• Configurable spawn loot

General Changes

• Fixed broken item and entity display names (It was literally just the en_us lang file being wrongly capitalized as "en_US")
• Added some background functionalities to make custom projectile shot patterns and configurable mob behaviors easier to implement
• Fixed a critical bug where mobs values and behaviors would break on world reload by using NBT alongside configs
• With this new NBT system, there is also the added customization that configs will set the default values and functionalities for any given mob but NBT can be used to override them for individual mobs. I plan on using this to make harder variants of the mobs that drop more loot, kinda like champions but more tailored to each mob

STILL NEED HELP

• Someone who understands basic OpenGL to help me visually scale the Trollager's block throw attack alongside the hitbox scale

[dreamy helm]

V1.0.2 plans

• New attack for Festive Creeper
• Festive Creeper already existing functionalities adapted to new system
• New attack for Support Creeper
• New attack for Flame Spewer
• Chameleon scales brewable into a powerful potion

Can't guarantee but will try:

• Try to implement visuals for creeper special attacks
• Ask someone help fixing OpenGL visual scaling

Either v1.0.2 or v1.1 depending on how complicated it turns out to be implement with good performance

• Grove Sprites can periodically apply bonemeal to nearby trees (and maybe plants in general but probably just trees by default)

V1.1.0 plans

• Mob variants system

Any suggestions welcome

[golden lynx]

Need a curseforge link here to access the mod page easily

[dreamy helm]

I don't believe my fork is in a presentable enough state for a curseforge release yet

But you can have the latest .jar

I was actually gonna post it yesterday but i forgot

Even with the item and entity names fixed, the rocket creeper's special attack has no animation yet (figuring out how to visually rotate mobs according to the target has been kind of a pain) so it doesn't look presentable, and the trollager's block throw attack breaks in visuals if you make the block bigger

[golden lynx]

I test the mod there is an issue with the tamed creatures from this mod being the three creepers and the baby spider the tamed version of it doesnt seems to have the tamed logic they are passive towards the player but they would despawn if changed the difficulty setting to peaceful

While on the other hand Void Eye doesnt despawn from switching into peaceful mode

[golden lynx]

Treasure Slime isnt spawing from a spawn egg or a spawner
Same goes for Brain Slime

[golden lynx]

Chamelon instantly dies when spawned from a spawn egg or a spawner
Also drops two camoflauge dyes in which the one dye is unpickable

I think the spawning issues can be same applied as naturally spawning as well but not so sure about it

[golden lynx]

Flame Spewer when killed his drops gets flunged out far than usual killed drops

[dreamy helm]

Wtf

Ok i'll look into it

[dreamy helm]

Fixed

[dreamy helm]

And the Void Eye not despawning too

[dreamy helm]

This one is an intentional feature from the base mod

I'll look into the tamed mobs and the slimes now

[golden lynx]

Ok

[dreamy helm]

Strange, i'm not having any issues with the slimes from spawn eggs

[golden lynx]

Wait really idk what would my problem with that is but it was strange and only happens with slime mobs from the mod

[dreamy helm]

Are you using cleanroom

Cleanroom fixes quite a few vanilla bugs from what i hear

It could be a vanilla bug rather than a bug with primitive mobs or my changes to it

I can't comment on modern Mojang code

But i can confirm that 1.12 vanilla code

It truly is Mojank

[golden lynx]

Yes i am using that

[dreamy helm]

You know, i actually was having treasure slimes not spawn before on an earlier build of the mod

idk when or why this issue was fixed

Actually i do have a strong suspicion of when it was fixed

But idk why your build is having the issue and not mine

I'm like 99% sure the latest build i posted should be past the point where i fixed the treasure slime

[golden lynx]

Wait wait i am using a mod that disables spawning slimes in superflat so i think that mod is stopping the spawns i think

[dreamy helm]

Ohhhh

That's a funny coincidence then

Your mod accidentally replicates a behavior that was already a bug i was having with treasure slimes sometimes not spawning properly, before i applied a fix

[golden lynx]

So that mod ok not only disable slime spawns it just won't let them also spawn through spawn eggs lmao

[dreamy helm]

It's because the original format the treasure slime's loot table was in the original mod was not configurable

I had to completely rework how it was handled by the code to make it configurable

Altho my initial implementation had some flaws

[golden lynx]

Yeah i think the slime not spawning can be my bad i think i should have check in a normal world too my bad

[golden lynx]

So the treasure slime's loot table was truly not configurable

[dreamy helm]

It's not just that it wasn't configurable, it's that the format it was in wasn't even possible to make configurable without developing my own custom config system separate from what forge provides which would obviously have been a massive pain and not worth it

[golden lynx]

Ahh i get it now

[dreamy helm]

Also yeah i can confirm the other bug tho

That tamed creepers and spiders despawn in peaceful

That's actually a bug with the original mod funnily enough cause i didn't touch anything related to that

But yeah i'll see if i can fix it

[golden lynx]

Yeah the game don't consider then as real pets at all cause some mods that affects pets also don't support so i would assume that primitive mobs pets don't follow that logic

[golden lynx]

Okay the slime not spawing on spawneggs was disabled in superflate cause of a mod that disables all slime spawning from any means including spawneggs so that was not a bug

[dreamy helm]

Ok so, which mobs do or don't despawn in peaceful is hardcoded af

And there is no convenient way to change it

But i did figure out a solution

I'm not satisfied with how inefficient it is though since i had to make a copy of an entire vanilla class just to make that one small change, the only better way to do this is through mixins but that's its own huge can of worms so i'm leaving learning that for later

[flat bluff]

Thanks for the effort Clay, making God's work truly

[dreamy helm]

Thank you lol

[flat bluff]

You are also the one cooking with the ice and fire absurdcraft too, you are a godsent

[dreamy helm]

That fork has been abandoned for a while because i had so many other things to work on

I'm split between continuing it or just sending over the changes to ice and fire rotn and cancelling it

I didn't know nearly as much about mobs (programming wise) back then as i do now, which is why the changes in my I&F fork are way smaller than in this one

[flat bluff]

I'm using it to improve my rlcraft experience

[dreamy helm]

So if i go back to developing for my I&F i can make more ambitious changes to the mobs

And probably will at some point since my pack does need really buffed mobs with how OP the player and the parasites are

[flat bluff]

Regardless of what you choose to do, thanks! I mean it, these kinds of stuff help a lot.

[dreamy helm]

It's sort of a self imposed challenge

I definitely didn't need to go this far with the power level and complexity of the pack, but it may help it stand out more in the long run

[flat bluff]

That's an indominable mindset, holy. That's what makes the good not good, but great instead. Keep it up and its gonna be epic.

[dreamy helm]

I say buffed but really almost every buff/"buff" i give mobs is disabled by default to not disrupt the default experience

Since vanilla+ and my pack are like lightyears apart

In terms of what is reasonable to throw at the player

[flat bluff]

Dude I play rlcraft on the regular, I completely understand what you mean XD

I'm starting to play rotn right now

[dreamy helm]

Now that i think about it, since every change i make is so configurable anyways

I might have new abilities like the festive creeper's TNT ring attack enabled by default, but just very toned down

It might help people playing on default config not feel "scammed" so to speak

Or like i didn't change anything

[flat bluff]

And that's what makes us hyped.

[flat bluff]

I'm a horrible judge for things like this as I always want the most challenging option

I'm trying to add a sanity system, weight system, food spoilage, stamina system, and just about every thing imaginable to make RLCraft even more merciless, so yeah.

Literally the worst guy to give opinion on balance

[golden lynx]

Ahh that's why in the original version some mobs do despawn and some don't
But yeah thanks for the fork man this mod really needs a big upgrade tho really like the extra abilities of some mobs

[golden lynx]

Balance do depends on how hard the pack is and how strong can you become on a certain stage so yeah the balance never ends

[dreamy helm]

More than just additions and reworks, it surprised me gradually realizing how buggy this mod was in its untouched state

[flat bluff]

At what point balance looses meaning as the game becomes an instrument of torture.

I'm reaching that level of complexity

[dreamy helm]

That's why i like, religiously assign things to config rather than fixed values

The power levels in packs vary astronomically

[flat bluff]

Preach!!!

[golden lynx]

True man but still a classic mod to play at least
Primitive mobs was one of the first mob mods when I started playing modded and i had fun with it
Good to see that somebody is reviving this mod and fixing and improving what's currently in it

[dreamy helm]

Yeah i always really liked it, which is part of why it surprised me how many bugs there really were lol

[golden lynx]

Then it's fine if things are harder an early game but if you are giving player a problem or a challenge there must be something to solve it or had an option to stop it

[flat bluff]

I love the brain slimes and the rocket creepers, together with infernal mobs things become so much fun lmao

[flat bluff]

It does, but the moment you see a hud with like 6 systems you instantly take psychic damage, like people already complain a lot about rlcraft, but I do it because I'm a dont starve veteran, I enjoy the suffering.

[golden lynx]

I also do enjoy the suffering but i do want to suffer on combat cause i can tackle it my style of play
That's why fish's undead rising is on the rlcraft mod to have that sort of combat challenge

[flat bluff]

Truee, now I gotta go and stop talking about rlcraft here, I kinda hijacked this chat sorry 😅

[golden lynx]

Nah that's alright see ya bro

[dreamy helm]

Sorry for halting the development like this, i was generally occupied and low on time and energy for these past two weeks, but now i'm ready to tackle this again

[golden lynx]

Yeah waiting for you to the release of the new beta

[flat bluff]

No problem dude, take your time, and glad you are back 😄

[clear pivot]

hey can ya add a unique variant for grove spirits for the pale garden mod?

bc their textures dont work correctly when spawned in the pale garden from pale bloom

[dawn oak]

this project needs a hero

[clear pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/maxwell-maxwell-cat-uncanny-scary-hug-gif-4104709037517274182

[clear pivot]

Pog

[dreamy helm]

This attack was already in the fork, i just hadn't figured out how to add the visual effects for it yet

Huge thanks to @teal glacier for showing how to make mobs rotate visually

Altho i have to say, the rotation is a bit inconsistent, and seems to kinda break if the target is far away, and have it tilt sideways, it only really has the top of its head point at the target as intended if the target is close. Do you have any clue why? @teal glacier

While i was at it, i also went and finished fleshing out the festive creeper's arsenal going forward, it now has a total of 5 attacks, including this one which is its special attack. But i will be disabling most of them on the "base" mobs by default, the plan is to add harder, rarer variants that unlock the extra attacks. Which will basically serve as minibosses or bosses in their own right but drop very very good loot

(For this clip i buffed the attack from default config for demonstration purposes)

All mobs with new abilities have received better loot to compensate for the increased difficulty

[flat bluff]

YOOOOOOOOO

Thats so cool man!

Incredible work

Festive creeper having 5 attacks is insane, keep cooking!

[dreamy helm]

Thanks for the kind words

It actually means a lot

[golden lynx]

I saw both the creepers attacks that's was really cool and interesting to look at that's good to get these creepers more love

[dreamy helm]

It won't be just the creepers getting this treatment, that would be weird selectiveness, but they were some of the first mobs i had ideas for and got to working on, and shared a bit of reusable logic

[finite flax]

holy shit

[finite flax]

LMAO

enemy AC-130 above ahh mob

[dreamy helm]

This clip was actually just meant to showcase the new visual effects this attack didn't have before which is why it cuts off so early

Lemme make a separate clip of the attack itself real quick since you're unfamiliar with it

Or well i can just post the ones i already made, altho these were before i added visuals for it

Like this

WARNING: THIS ONE IS LOUD

These other ones aren't tho

This one was before it even had rotation yet so it would just T-Pose at you, MENACINGLY

[finite flax]

LMFAOOOO

[flat bluff]

Besides the tilt being sideways like you said, instead of them properly falling tilted down towards you like a proper missle, i can see no problem.

[dreamy helm]

(POV: You're a north korean and you posted a meme making fun of the government)

[finite flax]

POV: You're a north korean and you posted a meme

[flat bluff]

Another thing is that the creeper kinda goes from upright to the tilt position too fast. Like, the process of getting it tilted down is cut off

It doesnt start falling like an arc, like a clock, get what i mean?

[dreamy helm]

Unfortunately, Minecraft's rendering system is an undocumented and overcomplicated mess, and i gave up on trying to work with it for the foreseeable future

Making the attack itself took me way less time than the amount of time i wasted just trying to get the rotation to work, so i entrusted it to someone else who knows way more about OpenGL than i do

I'll just have to wait for him to see if he can fix this issue

[flat bluff]

Fair enough.

Still awesome tho

:D

[dreamy helm]

Thanks 👍

[dreamy helm]

Except particles, i at least got those to work

[golden lynx]

Tactical Nuke Incoming

[golden lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-falling-building-fall-woodz-gif-24715383

[teal glacier]

I'm not exactly sure since most of the code this was used in (and the function itself, partially) was made using trial and error

but you can try to swap the point that the object is rotated towards for the player's location relative to the mob (mob position - player position I think)

also: did you call super.applyRotations in your applyRotations?

[golden lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/subradio-sub-radio-adam-bradley-gif-7516728078799373479

[dreamy helm]

WIP

[golden lynx]

Looks like this special ability is for Flame Sweeper i guess

[flat bluff]

I'm starting to get why you named this absurdcraft. Thats a crazy attack

[golden lynx]

It has an another name i would like to give it Primitive Mobs : Souls Like Edition

[flat bluff]

Accurate

[flat bluff]

Sheesh, those things are powerful!

[flat bluff]

I just wanted to check on this, will these new attacks values (like range, power, etc) be able to be changed via configs? Don't grt me wrong they are awesome, but they might be too OP as they are a common spawn in the overworld, so i just wanted a way to reduce the potency.

To face this right at the start my be a bit too much, so i wanted to reduce the power a bit.

On that note, an idea i just had, something like a compat with the game stages mod where the primitive mobs get more powerful as you go through the game stages might be a good way to balance that.

Happy New year! I almost forgot

🎆

[dreamy helm]

I quintupled the default buffs for demonstration purposes

[dreamy helm]

They already are

[dreamy helm]

Unfortunately changing primitive mobs mob spawning logic is not something i feel is a worthy time investment right now, as my plate is already full just making and tweaking these new behaviors

I'm still a noob and i've pretty much only been seriously and high-effortly modding for probably around a month's worth of time, i'm not that knowledgeable about Java and still don't know/understand most of Minecraft's systems, i'm learning them one by one and each of these major mob changes i've slowly pushed myself to expand my knowledge a little bit

[flat bluff]

Its ok, just being able to change the values is nore than enough! I just threw that idea to see if it could land :D

[dreamy helm]

Also yes

Happy new year

[dreamy helm]

Though the goal of this fork isn't actually to make the game harder, or at least if it does, not by much, i can't guarantee the default config values are balanced but i try to make them not overtuned, and when i buff a mob i give it better loot too, but again given how much i've had to concentrate on just creating this stuff to begin with, it has not given me the time to do an actual playthrough and playtest if they really are balanced

My long term goal is slowly going through and reworking most or all of the movement mechanics, combat mechanics, enemy and boss roster i plan on using for my modpack, as i feel Minecraft combat has a ton of potential but is generally underwhelming

[flat bluff]

You said that you 5x the buffs for demonstration purposes, i think its fine then. I just got the exaggerated impression from the demonstration. I think the default is gonna be fine.

Don't worry about it, worse case i just need to reduce te values right? No problem. The videos that made me worry a bit but they were 5x so thats explained. 👍

[dreamy helm]

Yes

Configuring the values to be extremely high generally makes it easier for me to tell if it's working as intended

Here it was raised from a default of every mob in a 2.5 chunk radius getting speed 1, strength 1 to all mobs in an 8.5 chunk radius getting speed 5 and strength 5

I also chose not to interrupt the attack which you can do in an actual combat situation

[flat bluff]

Yeah, and please keep doing it! I really helps showing the attacks and features more clearly.

[hot palm]

how do I find out about this AFTER making a review on the original mod ⚰️

Btw does this mod have/will this mod also have its own library allowing for customizable mob spawning and extra entries ? I used it quite a lot in my pack and can't really not-use it for now due to how configurable it really was

[dreamy helm]

The project isn't abandoned but i've been too busy with the combination of life stuff + learning more programming (i'm still new) + other modded projects i'm working on

[hot palm]

if there's any update with this please ping me, I would be interested

[dreamy helm]

I'll revisit this soon-ish to finish some tweaks and polish i was making before pushing out another update

[golden lynx]

I think he would gave updates this here

[dreamy helm]

But i'm currently reworking a boss from a different mod and it's forcing me to think hard and learn a lot of new programming and even math to be able to implement my ideas, which is currently the main thing taking up my modding time

[golden lynx]

I am also waiting but would be worth it cause my fav mod getting the fork here so excited for that

[golden lynx]

What boss is that you are working on?

[hot palm]

no one has ubiquity sadly

[dreamy helm]

Quazar from Better Slimes ROTN Edition

[hot palm]

who's Quazar ?
edit : ok big slime dude I see

[golden lynx]

Ohh that one nice

[dreamy helm]

I'd rather keep the specifics a surprise tho

Especially since i'm excited to actually show it, but delaying it until it's more finished and polished is a test of dilligence lol

[hot palm]

btw it is already possible to use loottweaker to change up the nature of haunted tools or the items contained within treasure slimes in case you're wandering

(but maybe you already know that)

[golden lynx]

Items contained in tresaure slimes can be now done in config + loottweaker but config would be easy in the fork of this mod
(Not the feature of the original version the config one fork only)
As for the haunted tools yeah use loottweaker for that

[hot palm]

yeah
I think its better not to have to use an external mod for that if possible, that's good to hear

I suppose there's plan to make trader's trades configurable and/or reimport the now removed sheepman with an anvil on its back ?

[dreamy helm]

Nah honestly

[golden lynx]

You still need to use loottweker for the haunted tools

[dreamy helm]

Both those mobs feel too redundant now that piglins and wandering traders exist (and are backported)

And this is a bit more biased of a take, but i don't really like trading as a mechanic in the first place compared to minecolonies, tektopia or millenaire villagers that actually go out in the world and can perform useful tasks manually

[hot palm]

really ? I liked the goofy sheepmen

I guess I'll keep the original idea of adding them to randomized rooms in a bigger structure so it looks like their trades are random and eventually removes the imbalance in having too easy blazerods

[golden lynx]

I also liked it should need an improvement in terms of Qol and a actual structure of home

[hot palm]

yeah that's an understandable take

it's just a nice way of having access to theoretically limited ressources through the use of NPCs which aren't tied to a lootbox-type trade style like the piglins, or aren't overworld-bound

[dreamy helm]

Trading is also surprisingly complicated and annoying to tweak or balance (i already checked how trades actually work internally and it's... a spaghetti coded mess)

Which ontop of manual, active villagers being more immersive and interactive compared to ones that just trade, why i don't see a place for it in my modpack

[hot palm]

Unrelated but in my pack I currently use trading as a sort of tutorial as well, when there's a dude called brewer which sells or buys certain items it may hint to a brewing usecase that one might not be aware of; but yeah pigtificates are enough its just that I like having access to multiple species

[dreamy helm]

I think you might be able to find a different modder who is willing to tweak these two (sheepmen and traveling merchants)

I'm not trying to totally shoot down the idea

[hot palm]

maybe; for now I'll think about using mapgadget

[dreamy helm]

But i'm just explaining why it doesn't fit my vision and why i'm not spending my time on this in particular (because i already have a lot of hard things to tackle)

[dreamy helm]

(So i do unfortunately have to be fairly selective about what i work on)

[flat bluff]

Which mod? 👀

[flat bluff]

Its fine. I saw some of the stuff you are working on, you are cooking!

[dreamy helm]

You did? Where?

I think with only 1 exception i've only discussed what i'm currently working on in people's DMs

Mostly because i don't wanna make any promises because it's hard to estimate how hard or time consuming something will be ahead of time

Though i may have to start discussing it again here soon because the scope of my projects has grown enough i should definitely look for at least one partner, assuming i can find one

[flat bluff]

I'll be honest here, I've not launched discord for the last 2 weeks and just today Im catching up to everything I missed. I'm in like 7 mc 1.12 mod servers, and I definitely saw your name here and there, but since i'm completely beat after reading so many msgs that got accumulated, I might be hallucinating, it might have been you just talking in a chat about someone else's X update.

My eyes are foggy from reading so many msgs, later I'll check exactly where I've seen you for this (kinda?) misunderstanding.

The mc servers I've been reading

Still, godspeed! Can't wait to see what you cook.

[golden lynx]

This mod man primitive mobs fork i am taking about that

[flat bluff]

Ohh, lol went over my head completely 😅

[chilly minnow]

I'm really interested in this! is there a Jar for it? I'm not seeing it on the Github

ah oop. I see a jar in here lol. is 1.1.3 the most recent one?

[golden lynx]

The jar is in this thread itself but it's buggy rn so wait for the next jar file

[golden lynx]

Yeah but there are issue with it wait for the new one pls

[chilly minnow]

gotcha, thanks! definitely looking forward to grabbing this when the next build drops! the previous primitive mobs is fine and all, but it does have some quirks that this version seems like it's going to fix

[golden lynx]

Yeah it is and have some improvements on the mobs and more config options so yeah

[dreamy helm]

Sorry to keep you waiting, i've been really occupied with IRL responsibilities and with other modding projects, along with tons of background work to be able to
A - Get certain planned mechanics working
B - Improve and expand on old code from when i didn't really know what i was doing for the most part. This was my first project, so i guess it's to be expected

I'll be implementing visuals for the Rocket and Festive Creepers now like i intended to a while ago but didn't know what to use, then get to improving other mobs asides from the creepers

[dawn oak]

TOUHOU HIJACK 🤑

[dreamy helm]

It was surprisingly annoying to get a mob to properly make fireworks, but here it is

[hot palm]

least insane lycanite mob

[wheat blaze]

how do i get the mod file lol

[late scroll]

will this still use multimob?