Trial Chambers and Ancient Cities

[karmic portal]

I get distracted really easily and spend way too much I should be testing throwing myself off things with a water bucket

[umbral talon]

We noticed imminently when exiting the Tower

"Wait, did we leave Smiley behind?"
"I think so, we should go back-" Looks at minimap "... he jumped off"

[karmic portal]

I think the funniest part of that is that you both died trying to get down from it

I did not expect to hit it at all

I couldn't see the ground

[umbral talon]

"In this biome, you cannot see 5 blocks in front of you, with torches"

"Naw, I'd water clutch"

[sinful nacelle]

"In this biome, you cannot see 5 blocks in front of you, with torches"

You underestimate my power

[umbral talon]

I am describing exactly what Smiley did

Bro did it

[karmic portal]

I saw a cliff and I saw the bucket on my hotbar and knew what had to be done

[sinful nacelle]

Superior lifeform

[karmic portal]

damn I realized I didn't actually make setting a loot table easy, sorry for that

huh but you added that nevermind, I'll take a look at why it's not loading the tables

[sudden fjord]

I think it is loading the loot tables, it just isn't dropping the items

like I can place a pot put in item in it and then break it and the items won't drop even in survival

[karmic portal]

I'm an idiot that's probably why

apparently I set the inventories not to drop unless you use a tool that shatters the pot

that migth be the issue, I'm taking a look now

[twin scarab]

Dude ikr

[karmic portal]

wait until we get to the cities that will probably be when the drama starts

[twin scarab]

Thats when each of you start a modloader, a launchef, and say gamer words while everyone kicks you out XD

Aka Lenny

[karmic portal]

I swear this room used to have a piston door in the snapshots, did they take it out? tbh a piston door probably isn't that useful here

[sudden fjord]

yeah I think it was barren when I was examining the chambers torn apart

[karmic portal]

damn, it was a really cool piston door design

they designed a door that worked perfectly both in java and bedrock

without any modification

yeah the pot loot is my goof

[sudden fjord]

no worries, I'm trying to think of what else needs to be added in physically in the chambers

I might do another cross variant that connects both hall ways

[karmic portal]

I still need to fix the spawners not visually updating straight away

fixed the pots

[wind flint]

quick question, sorry for asking but i got to due to seeing the progress.. do u guys plan on releasing it with the warden or does that come later? again sorry for asking.

[karmic portal]

probably a release before the warden

[wind flint]

oki, thanks for answering 🙂

i do have to say tho, u guys are doing the lords work so to speak, not giving you guys enough credit, bringing it back 1.12.2 is amazing. excited about this mod as i was the end mod and the ocean mod :3

oooh last question, are you guys planing on adding a regeneration config if a world is already generated?

i see like ores can do it so that's why i asked

[umbral talon]

We won't be doing world regen, as that would not work with the size of the structure, and would easily break it's generation

[wind flint]

Oki, thanks for answering

[karmic portal]

it took a while to understand how it worked but I got copper aging working

kinda wanna add copper ore aging now with a slightly different method

but I think we need to set up a config for that

[graceful dagger]

Copper ore aging makes absolutely no sense unless it were for native copper specifically

[umbral talon]

This is Minecraft, of course it's native. Also, real copper does occur natively, and is often found oxidized.

And Minecraft's normal Ore texture, and Raw Ore texture both have semi-oxidized Copper

[karmic portal]

I mean true but we do have some pretty good sprites for it already

[graceful dagger]

I knew all of that, but then again, iron appears as a native ore in mc even tho that doesn't exist, yet iron doesn't oxidize although it should. There's 0 in-game or irl consistency. I just think that making aging copper ore is too much, personally.

I don't have a strong logical argument. Not even all copper items oxidize, so I could see any argument here as faux

It's my brainrotn again I swear, there's both separate malachite and native copper in rotn, so I try to apply that to other stuff.

[karmic portal]

minecraft's copper ore seems to be mostly a native copper ore with malachite/diopside banding, or just a flat native ore

it aging doesn't necessarily make the most sense but minecraft doesn't exactly make a huge amount of sense or have consistency anyway

[graceful dagger]

In any case, if you wanted to add the minimum of pedagogical value to aging copper ore, I would suggest that you only made non-exposed cooper ore "young", and when generated exposed to air blocks, it should be completely oxidized

[karmic portal]

but to be fair I also see your point

[graceful dagger]

Just a suggestion, because I know that's a lot of extra logic for little gain

[karmic portal]

honestly if exposed copper ore gets added it's worth it to add the extra logic for consistency

[graceful dagger]

Then I would 100 support it

[karmic portal]

it would need it's whole own aging code anyway because base copper aging doesn't thematically work much with ore

[umbral talon]

Fair enough that it's additional work for something with zero added value to the game.

[karmic portal]

but then base copper aging is weird anyway

[graceful dagger]

In general, things that age in a game world, but are still in a young age when you begin are really uncanny, as they imply the world was created the moment the player stepped on it. You are free to use that idea in an indie game tho lol

Talking to a npc and your character tells them "you are all part of my dream" with you the player and the npc both like O_O

[karmic portal]

that's a really good indie game idea tbh

[umbral talon]

I do fundamentally disagree on the original discussion of Copper Ore's actual chemical makeup, as it is non-additive non-related constraints to the work.

[graceful dagger]

It becomes part of the discussion the moment the oxidization is taken into account, as that is purely a chemical process, much like everything. So the only barrier is how far are you willing to take that realism or simplify it.
In a scale where you can go from "just because" down to "atoms behave this way" and everything between, there's only personal opinion dictating where to settle, and that opinion will be biased.

[umbral talon]

Actually, completely correct take. It is related to oxidation. My issue was that your original statements read as 'You need to be realistic' rather than approaching it as a scale

... Also I definitely agree that it's weird how inconsistent a few parts of Copper are. Like, I perfectly understand items not oxidizing, but why the Lightning Rod? Every single other block does it

Ore not oxidizing make sense if you approach it from the logic of:
Different states do NOT drop different Raw Ores > Thus, set it at a half-way state, to avoid inconsistency and keep it clear to the player

[graceful dagger]

Realism is a blanket term that we should probably avoid, but it feels the simplest to describe "common sense" for a bunch of things, my bad. I'm a fan of internal logic and verisimilitude, and just believe that reality is our fallback to assume a bunch of background without having to explain it all.

In this case, explaining everything would've been better from the beginning

[umbral talon]

Ah, I understand now. Common Sense does clean the discussion far more, as it relates to 'simplified, external knowledge applied to a work.'

I just get worried, as it feels all to common nowadays to see people who use such things as destructive criticisim toward a work

[graceful dagger]

Absolutely. Glad we agree on that sentiment.

I am very biased towards internal logic and world building though, and I know you have a preference for game design and intuitive gameplay.

However I believe that

https://tenor.com/view/both-agree-yes-good-gif-4591420

I like both Vintage Story and Trove, which are the most extreme polar opposites of each other.

[umbral talon]

👍 Nice.

Also I very much want to yap more about it, as I love talking design, but I don't want to flood this thread with "Squidly's Game design Talk"

... even if I have plenty of thoughts on internal logic and world building, and how they mesh with game design.

[umbral talon]

Random idea: Heavy Gauntlet.

It's an inverse Mace. Deals a special heavy attack, to falling targets. Thus changes the player's dynamic with the Wind Charge, where they will use it to throw Mobs into the air to combo them, and becomes very interesting in PvP due to it being a counter to the Mace, and counter to Crits

[graceful dagger]

You hit them when they are falling back to you on the ground, or do you use it to jump up to them and hit them down ala anime?

[umbral talon]

Either can work, the damage scales off of their Fall Distance.

Specifically, what would be funny is because both weapons have a both sides of the same coin, it becomes nuclear as a battle between the two is 'Who has better reflexes'

[karmic portal]

huh

decent weapon idea

[umbral talon]

I got Capabilities in

Just commited the Wind Charge fall damage reduction behavior

Fully functional.

[unborn gorge]

sounds sexy

[unborn gorge]

foreck is 99% based

1% cringe

[umbral talon]

Tweaking copper colors makes me feel gormless

So many files to organize

[sinful nacelle]

Gormless?

[umbral talon]

Ya know, lacking gorm

[sinful nacelle]

Ah yes gorm

[graceful dagger]

Should try gormmaxximg by gorwing all day

[umbral talon]

That is literally why I get into disagreements and arguments often

[karmic portal]

based and gormpilled

[sinful nacelle]

So many potential memes

[umbral talon]

So, I went back and updated a lot of Copper Textures.

All normal Copper has been completely re-done with new colors and extra detail, to match the other coppers, tile better, and have less aggressive contrast.

All Oxidized Coppers are slightly lighter, use 1 less color, and have had dark colors brightened for better tiling.

All Copper Bulbs have been redone with new colors for the bulb parts.

And within a generated Trial Chamber

[unborn gorge]

looks sexy

quick suggestion, compatibility with quark for trial chambers to generate with iron ladders instead of vanilla ladders if enabled

[umbral talon]

These are done using Structure Files, you can edit/replace them yourself

[unborn gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-oprahs-bank-account-meme-laptop-gif-20803826

[karmic portal]

I might see if I can get my resource loading code working in 1.12 to see if they can be put in the config folder

for easy access

[karmic portal]

hopefully it doesn't add too much processing time, but I added code to organise the creative tab so it should look quite a bit nicer now

doesn't work with the search tab or jei yet but at least the mod tab looks better

[umbral talon]

Very nice

Also ew, what is the weird blue ink sac thing on the 3ed tab, looks like a bad mod

[karmic portal]

awful mod, terrible mod

no clue why I installed it

[umbral talon]

Here's an Ominous Bottle texture. I think it's pretty damn good, but feedback is always appreciated.

I took it in a different direction from Vanilla's, such as rounding the bottle shape more, the bottle color is Purple, the cap is Red, and the bottle isn't symmetrical.

[elder forge]

Red cap looks so good

[sudden fjord]

Just committed more variants for hall ways, including small rooms, and more verticallity. Now these tiles that are apart of the hall way are more rare since they have the best chance for loot but it just brings more to when exploring and to check every area possible

additionally other parts of the chambers have variants, the cross between two hall ways and as well the main entry way has some vanilla inspired architecture of variants

I think nearly every base part of the chambers now has variation to it, so hopefully exploring them will be unique each time in offering new lay outs and hidden areas. This is probably the most complex structure I've done so far and it makes me want to update some of End Expansions dungeons lmao

[karmic portal]

it looks good we need to get around to some form of playtesting at some point

[sudden fjord]

the only thing I've held off at this point I think is custom chambers like ones not related to vanilla as theres only two that are not related to vanilla

but we don't need that for testing per say, so some play testing would be awesome to do

[sinful nacelle]

So Steve is that dude that ate bicycles and cessna planes?

[umbral talon]

Just pushed a commit, I added a Mixin so the Weaving Potion effect properly affects Web Movement Speed. Also, moved a lot of Potion effects to use Forge Events instead of just re-checking if the affected is dead.

[karmic portal]

fixed the visual bugs with trial spawners being stuck looking like inactive ominous spawners when reloading the chunk until they were updated

[sinful nacelle]

https://youtube.com/shorts/APx-rC6El80?si=H10QAkeRz13OMCqT

[unborn gorge]

love that

[graceful dagger]

Half life 2 Has been very quiet since this came out

[sudden fjord]

if anyone hasn't checked the new things they've added to the trial chambers, it's basically encounters. from what I've seen they act as a way of rotation to try to generate a chamber. So I've brought that back to 1.12.2 and making better generation rules for it

[empty jungle]

I think the breeze also got a buff to its range

[umbral talon]

Easy to implement

[snow saddle]

Trial spawner (or vault?) loot is now seed-dependent… not necessary in modded as there’s not much seed-hunting here

[karmic portal]

all loot is seed dependent in modern minecraft, it's not worth us adding that in imo

[red cairn]

It's better to have ct support than seed dependency

[sudden fjord]

Alright this is a little post where I’ll be showing off the generation added into the Chambers

The chambers will now do there absolute best to try and generate a chamber, better than vanilla dare I say. As with this route to this chamber, the X’s making the rooms or hall ways it generated to find a solid spot to put a chamber

Now even though that picture specifically rarely happens as already our chambers do a pretty good job of generating them, this is an added fail safe

However for those doors that can’t find space for a chamber

They will generate little end rooms that may have spawners/vaults/loot

And also encounters have different variants and directions. Not all of them will have a direct path to a chamber and can be somewhat hidden so it’s always best to check your surroundings!

[snow saddle]

Totems of undying as rare spawner/vault loot?

[umbral talon]

By the way, here is my worksheet for almost every texture made for Deeper Depths. I've been using one huge sheet for most textures in this mod, and I'll start doing it a lot more, as the result is very nice.

Also, seeing iterations/progression in WIP stuff is pretty satisfying.

[wise cradle]

How did I not notice the progress on this project?! This is epic!

[hoary plover]

You guys are cooking

Im also working on a backport project

Its cool to see this many people actually like 1.12.2

Is this almost complete?

[graceful dagger]

I would say it's in the 80/20 rule part, if you know what that is

(80% of the mod was done in 20% of the time/effort, and 20% is missing, which takes 80% of the time and effort. TL;DR the devil is in the details)

[sinful nacelle]

Sounds about right

[karmic portal]

yeah it's basically done, just finishing touches and bugfixes

[hoary plover]

wow

W devs

so is it a 1 to 1 creation or a redesign ish

[graceful dagger]

It's a 1:1+ Textures are from scratch, and practically 100% of the content is added, but there are extra features and configurability, including the signature "bronze windmill" entrance on the surface.

[lilac canopy]

Looks sick, can't wait for the release

[hoary plover]

Wow

This + all the other backport mods practically means we have latest version in 1.12.2 Lol

Now all we need is the trading system of the villagers

[karmic portal]

futuremc has the gui, raids has discounts from hero of the village, it would be hard making the new villager trade system compatible with modded villagers

[graceful dagger]

Village Names also adds to that with the skins and visual level charms

[hoary plover]

yea ik

[unborn gorge]

gambling style has the new gui at least

[hoary plover]

futuremc better :P

[unborn gorge]

nah

[hoary plover]

yah

[sinful nacelle]

https://youtube.com/shorts/EhbTkN71YoU?si=wcllbTfxNU0UE52Z

Trial chambers changed

[hoary plover]

Omg bro

This looks so good

You guys are doing great work

[hoary plover]

Will there be compatibility with the raids backport and the deeper depths mod?

because rn they are seperate bottles to start each event

vanilla its just a singular bad omen bottle to start both events

[grim barn]

what is deeper depths

[karmic portal]

yeah we already added those minus the dripstone

[grim barn]

too sad

[hoary plover]

Who made the textures

Because they are better than vanilla (In my opinion)

[hoary plover]

:(

[karmic portal]

yeah I'm working on both, it's disabled at the moment for testing but deeper depths's bad omen works with raids by default and closer to the deeper depths release date, I'll be changing raids to use the deeper depths bottles by default with probably some kind of support to replace them if you ever uninstall deeperdepths, the actual code of the two is practically identical other than the deeperdepths one having different textures and fancy effects

[karmic portal]

it's the current name of this trial chamber mod

[karmic portal]

sir squidly, he did the textures, the mace, wind charges, the breeze and the bogged

[hoary plover]

They are very good

[karmic portal]

I hope I'm not forgetting anything

[hoary plover]

also are ancient cities in the mod?

[karmic portal]

not yet

planned at some point potentially

[hoary plover]

Ok

Nice

[karmic portal]

we got trial chambers and geodes at the moment

[hoary plover]

How do you find the chambers

because I went around flying and didnt see it

in spectator

unless the github version is outdated

not sure

[karmic portal]

they're fairly rare

there's a marker above ground but they're more easily spottable with spectator

they're roughly 525 blocks apart

they need to ahev a config option added tbh

[hoary plover]

Yeah

that would be nice

I flew around for like 5 mins ins pectator and didnt find anything

except geodes

[sinful nacelle]

Yeah... theres a mod that adds structure maps to trades that should allow finding these so the above ground markers wont always be needed

[karmic portal]

iif you have a cloned version of the repository WorldGenTrialChambers is what controls the spawning and you can reduce the distance there

[hoary plover]

Okay

[sudden fjord]

525 * 12 i think, and that's if the conditions are met for that spawn aka not a ocean biome

roughly 6,300 blocks apart. since the chambers can give some insane loot for even early game. it's best to have them really rare

[karmic portal]

oh damn, I read the number and wasn't really sure what the /12 was doing

[sudden fjord]

yeah, its what I quickly use without making the number it needs to pass super large

I could do 260 * 24

[karmic portal]

makes sense

[sudden fjord]

and as well it's a nice buffer if someone does want them to spawn commonly

[karmic portal]

tbh we did the chambers pretty easily with iron gear pre ominous

[sudden fjord]

prevents them from intefering with each other

oh yeah

the chambers not ominous is totally doable with iron, dare i say leather

[karmic portal]

so I can for sure see the loot thing

[sudden fjord]

like it would be more interesting to make regular chambers super rare and then a new structure that's small chambers and is built for early game

[karmic portal]

that would be cool, like a few of the encounter rooms and a few regular vaults

[sudden fjord]

like the chambers are roughly bigger than the encounters in the regular chambers, like a mini version of it

yup exactly!

just something to help push early game rng for dungeon crawler packs

[karmic portal]

the way vaults and spawners are set up we can give them different loot tables if we want

[sudden fjord]

interesting, I do like the idea. and the spawners could be lesser as well. the whole idea of vaults and spawners really help with the dungeon crawl feel

that's why im interested in implementing it with End Expansion

[karmic portal]

you can technically use any item as a vault key by changing the vault config as well

the actual key items have no code accociated with them

[sudden fjord]

nice troll idea, when getting the key from the lamented islands for the boss, you can instead use that one key to go gambling for a 2% chance of getting the Lamentor's sword

"alright ready to fight this boss charlie"

"charlie?"

"charlie wheres the key?"

[karmic portal]

getting ready to fight the boss and you just hear "aw dang it" over voice chat

[umbral talon]

I programmed all the Particles, all the Mobs, Wind Charges, Mace, most of the Candle code (After stealing it from you ), all the Potion Effects, the Mixin used by Weaving, and some various tweaks and bugfixing in various places.

IDK otherwise, GitHub can be checked for other stuff, that's all I recall

[umbral talon]

Also thank you, that is very kind.

[karmic portal]

we need to make a list of what each of us did at some point to better keep track

oh no not my candle code, can't believe you stole it

I'm debating whether or not to do the candle cakes

they're a really minor thing

[umbral talon]

Depends on how difficult it wuld be todo

At least you won't need Multidimensional Wick Arrays

I still feel like I was possessed to write that code, as I wrote it then googled and learned what it is called

[umbral talon]

If we do write such a list, make sure to detail the work done, since we did jump about on stuff a lot and trade work

[karmic portal]

yeah we did

[hoary plover]

on hard mode its pretty hard

like iron diamond ish gear would do

barely though

Did you guys implement difficulty scaling?

or is that just vanilla

pretty sure hard mode on vanilla multiplies dmg for mobs by 1.5x

[karmic portal]

I'm pretty sure the spawners don't actually scale based on game difficulty, other than the regular game scaling

[hoary plover]

Not the spawners, I meant the damage

But I rezlied the hard mode difficulty multipies dmg by 1.5

x

I think

so it wouldnt matter

[karmic portal]

that's just a vanilla thing

[hoary plover]

aight

Bro btw just saying your mods are really good

especially the Raids backport

[karmic portal]

I think in testing we started off on easy because that's what the server was set to but we did most of our testing on hard mode

raids still needs some work tbh as well as a wiki page to tell people how the raid table configuring actually works

[hoary plover]

but the default config is fine

and the mod itself implements almost 1 to 1

Which is awesome

[karmic portal]

it was really hard turning vanilla behaviour into a config file

[hoary plover]

I couldnt imagine

You did it tho :)

Anyways, ny future plans besides this mod?

any*

[karmic portal]

I don't know about the others, or at least don't know how much they want to share yet, but I'm going to be backporting my classes mod, adding allays to raids backport, as well as updating my wood texture mod to version 2.0.0, those are my personal current plans

[hoary plover]

What is the classes mod

I might try and backport the Ruined Portal structure

No one did it because it had like 255,543 variants

I think I'll give it a shot

[karmic portal]

I was also looking into wandering traders

[hoary plover]

Will that be hard to code in?

Idk cuz the spawning is weird

[karmic portal]

the classes mod is the dawncraft class system, it's like 90% backported to 1.12

[hoary plover]

and they drink potions

[hoary plover]

Woah

[karmic portal]

not really, the main thing is making the trades configuarble

I can litterally just copy my patrol spawnign code from raids because their spawning is pretty similar

[hoary plover]

oh right

but wandering traders dissapear after a bit

even when name tagged or in a boat and stuff

idk how you wil code that

[sinful nacelle]

Tbh id rather wandering traders not be exactly like vanilla because well... they suck

Speaking of which... if wandering traders are getting added, please please please make it reasonably easy to add, remove or modify their trades.

[karmic portal]

wandering trader trades do suck in vanilla

except I kinda like the sapling trades

if I do it, them being fully configurable would be the main part

[sinful nacelle]

Thank gods

also i kind of overhauled the entire trading system so itd be a real shame if the wandering trader was just... unconfigurable lol

[umbral talon]

I want to keep giving development support to these fellows, likely wrap and push a new content update for Oceanic Expanse, then probably work on my Doom project, as I've been feeling creatively unfulfilled

[hexed iris]

Agreed

[elder forge]

good stuff

[wind flint]

@karmic portal Hi, we are allowed to test the mod for bugs right since the github is public?

[karmic portal]

sure, the code is publicly available, if you can build it you're free to run it, but if not we might be looking at a first release soon ish anyway

[wind flint]

Awesome, so i actually found a bug at least i think its a bug.. cause in vanilla it works as u'd expect 😅

copper door doesn't wanna close with a pressure plate or a lever, idk if its suppose to or not tho

[karmic portal]

a few things might be slightly quirky but we're tying to make things as close as we can

[wind flint]

Cool :3 i thought i should atleast mention it, i knew it wasn't gonna be exactly like vanilla but i yeah thought i should atleast mention it 🙂 its fun tho :3

[karmic portal]

huh weird it should be inheriting the door code which should work with redstone but yeah it doesn't seem to thanks for letting me know, I'll see if I can fix it up before we do the release

[wind flint]

no problemo! i'll let u guys know if i find more while i play :3

[karmic portal]

should be fixed, I messed up my boolean logic and put an and when it should have been an or

[lilac canopy]

i got this error while trying to run it on a server

[sinful nacelle]

Yorokonde background music is next

[karmic portal]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/deeper-depths

[empty jungle]

Congrats on the release, and nice logo!

[sinful nacelle]

Oooo

[sinful nacelle]

setting spawn rarity of trial chamber to 0 freezes the game. who knew?

[grim barn]

[sinful nacelle]

What id like to do is control what dimension these spawn in (I have a deep dark dimension id like to use for this)

[elder forge]

let's fucking gooooo!

[river moss]

Incontrol

[sinful nacelle]

Thats for mobs not structures

Structure spawning is pretty difficult to turn off with an external mod

[river moss]

Recurrent complex maybe?

[sinful nacelle]

You can add structures or disable RC's structures, you cant disable other mods' structures

[graceful dagger]

No yeah, that option has to be specifically added to this mod

[coral nebula]

I'll definitely try doing some testing soon.

[unborn gorge]

structures are not like mobs, you cant just relocate them at will

[grim barn]

it's possible to make a way to turn off but structures don't have a registry name so it needs some work to make it intuitive to the pack devs

[river moss]

Can’t u make a custom structure and have it appear in that dimension

[sinful nacelle]

Yes but this mod's structures are still going to be there

Making new structures is easy. Controlling where my structures spawn is easy. Disabling another mod's structures is not.

[karmic portal]

1.12 doesn't have a good structure registry

at least not one that you can realistically do much useful with

[sudden fjord]

indeed, we'll get dimension registering for the trial chambers in the future. as of current, it is locked to the overworld

[sinful nacelle]

I can spawn structures in by biome and the biome I want these in is only outside the overworld, just need ro make the structure not spawn in the overworld

[unborn gorge]

yes, but I’m talking about other mod’s structures

if they aren’t specifically built with compatibility in mind good luck moving them elsewhere

[river moss]

He could just find them and make them custom structures

[hexed iris]

AYO

Sweet!

[river moss]

My bad guys next time I won’t try to come up with a solution

[sinful nacelle]

Never feel bad about trying to help other people

[hoary plover]

Smiley Corp

I think there is a server side error with your mod after winning the raid the server crashes when the villagers try and throw stuff to you

Fix would be nice

[karmic portal]

fix is in the works

[hoary plover]

Aight nice

[empty jungle]

~~Amethyst + Amethyst-derivative blocks, candle blocks, and chiseled copper blocks ~~ many, many blocks have a harvest requirement of "PICKAXE" instead of "pickaxe", as such they arent harvestable at all, at least in my modpack.

[twin scarab]

With like vanilla pickaxes or modded ones?

[empty jungle]

Any

[sinful nacelle]

Is that happening?

[empty jungle]

If nobody else is having this issue I can try to find what mod could be causing it

or I can post my tool_progression config file section for deeper depths and try to find the common factor

[karmic portal]

it worked fine in testing but I can try changing it to lowercase in case that fixes it for your pack

[sinful nacelle]

If you do ill test it

[empty jungle]

well it was auto-generated, I didn't touch it

it would just be for identifying the affected blocks

[empty jungle]

Sorry, but any updates on this?

[karmic portal]

should be in the most recent update

but I might have forgotten to put it in the patch notes

[empty jungle]

thank you, I'll let you know how it goes

[coral nebula]

I'd like to mention a project that looks like some kind of API or cave generator for adding underground biomes. @sudden fjord has mentioned this project in the channel for the 1.18+ underground biomes backport and @bleak whale seems to have mentioned this in the channel for the Better End backport since the Better End mod makes use of underground biomes. It looks like some kind of fork of Cave Generator, JED, and Dimensional Control based on Redfire's testimony. Maybe this project might help with getting the Ancient Cities and Deep Dark to work better in 1.12.2 without potentially conflicting with other cave biome mods.

[sudden fjord]

yeah, Squidly, SmileyCorps and I plan on discussing a possible cave biome api that can be integrated with any other current cave biomes

as its been a topic we've brought up several times

and would like there to be a dedicated api or something that works with quark

[karmic portal]

I kinda need a cave biome api for my biome mod as well so I'd love to work on a universal api that can be used for backport stuff

[bleak whale]

My version of cave biomes use a proxy dimension created via JED and use a biome provider generated by Dimensional Control.
Biomes are checked at 1 block to 1 chunk for performance, by just checking what the biome would be in the fake proxy dimension at the same location as a chunk being generated in the true dimension you're generating the cave biomes.
This allows for full compatibility with other mods, allows other mods like Crafttweaker or Groovy to get the cave biome by just doing the same thing, allows someone to do whatever they want with the provider via Dimensional Control, etc.

For a cave biome API, I'd suggest doing the same thing, except generating the dimension and biome provider with JED or DC and adding a config to add biomes to it.
That would allow it to work with my CG implementation as well.

Quark cave biomes are generated kinda weirdly. I wouldn't expect any API to get away with not having to mixin them extensively.
I'd honestly suggest disabling them and recreating them in the API. Most of them are pretty simple.

[hexed iris]

I'd like to see Cave Biomes like Lush Caves, Deep Dark, etc in 1.12.2.

Idk about the dependency on JustEnoughDimensions, though. JED does have it's fair share of conflicts/bugs...

[hexed iris]

Same story. Would there be a way to instead make this proxy dimension without JED?

[bleak whale]

What conflicts does JED have?

[sinful nacelle]

What Id like to see is other elemental themed versions of this

Earth, water/ice, void...

Imagine new trial chambers with those elementals and maybe different design/theme

[umbral talon]

I still gotta add the Bleeze

[sinful nacelle]

Yeah well... the art for the other ones looked too cool to not eventually add

[bleak whale]

To answer the question, not without a custom mod.

Personally I'd love to see the ability to add custom dungeons with custom rooms but that's likely a big ask. :p

[coral nebula]

I created a thread under the #mod-and-pack-ideas channel for anyone wanting to discuss how best to implement a cave API or some mod that allows backporting of true cave biomes. I discussed this with UnseenDontRun last night if you want to look into it further. I'm assuming this might help with backporting the Deep Dark and ancient cities.

[coral nebula]

I'm trying to find the user that suggested a simple solution to increase the y-depth in 1.12 to allow deeper caves. I think his solution was to simply raise the sea level by 64 blocks while simultaneously raising the max mountain height by 64 block in such a way that preserves the original topographical profile that would generate without this change. The idea is to create a 64 block deep layer for deepslate to generate in while increasing the max mountain height to Y level 192. I'm hoping to communicate the idea with the original devs for the Realistic Terrain Generator mod and the authors of later forks of RTG to see if this solution can also be implemented in this generator without any difficulties.

I've just now looked up the Minecraft Wiki and it looks like the Deep Dark biome rarely generates above the deepslate layer so adding the 64 block deepslate layer may be sufficient to fit ancient city structures.
https://minecraft.wiki/w/Deep_Dark

[karmic portal]

that would break existing worlds, but it's not a bad solution to it

[coral nebula]

I'm hoping there's a way to apply the solution to RTG, but the original mod creator says that there are limitations in the original mod code preventing the ability to change the sea level. I have no real coding ability or experience so I have no idea what would be necessary. Hopefully there wouldn't be too much rewriting of RTG required.

[sinful nacelle]

I dont know if I was the only one that suggested this but this is something I am doing in my pack.

[sinful nacelle]

All but the very tallest of biomes have been moved up by 64 blocks

[sudden fjord]

I think it’s something we could possibly do is add maybe just an extra 30 blocks to world depth and make the sea level extended

Although I’d say we have the option entirely configurable

As I’m unsure how much it’ll break other mods

[umbral talon]

Personally, I feel the compatability with other mods should be prioritized

[high current]

Just vanilla biomes, I assume? Bluefire said at one point that he was basically recreating the other biomes from scratch with BiomeTweaker

[sinful nacelle]

No, all of them. BOP lets you change the average biome directly and biome height tweaker or biometweaker can be used to work on any other biomes

I didnt recreate the biomes. I just changed the average biome height. @bleak whale this is why biome height tweaker exists. For the times that you cant change the average biome height with biometweaker or BOP

Sometimes it wont let you do that with biometweaker but you can with biome height tweaker as long as it isnt BOP. BOP needs to be configured through its config

[bleak whale]

Some biomes have weird hardcoded things like the depth sandstone goes to in Desert biomes

I dodge those issues by recreating the biomes from scratch but I do that for all biomes out of convenience, not because I have to

[sinful nacelle]

Hold up... it generates down to y60 ish !?

Howd you recreate that layer? Just block replace?

[bleak whale]

I haven't. Low priority. I can just use e.g. CG stone layers to bring sandstone to the depth I want though.

[twin scarab]

AYO SOMEONE DID IT
https://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/1ix6i0m/back_when_i_saw_trial_vaults_being_added_to/

[snow saddle]

Did you end up adding a config for the wax item?

[karmic portal]

oh it's in now
litterally last update
kinda
it goes off of the wax oredict now

[final kestrel]

Is this the beginning of deeper depths?

[ashen jetty]

Hoping for ancient cities

[final kestrel]

They're working on it, but it's kinda hard bc of the world hight