Backport of the Better End Mod for Forge 1.12.2

[stark crow]

Fixed

Chorus plants now look amazing!

At least those things started to glow...

[hard sonnet]

would this suffice?

I just layered the moss over the legacy obsidian textures

[stark crow]

Ah, that's amazing!

Thanks!

[hard sonnet]

Could you see how it would look in game too, bit curious

[stark crow]

Yeah, sure

Also, hopefully this run will also fix the inflexia/flamalix spawns

the pallidium covers just were not added to the ground types list

and the world generator just didn't try to place any plants there

even if they could be placed there

[hard sonnet]

This actually also applies for all the end moss textures, which uses the newer end stone textures as the base, should that be done too?

[stark crow]

Perfect!

Looks absolutely fine

Great success!

[fiery fox]

what else could be added, which are not present in original mode ?

new end themed mobs maybe

[hard sonnet]

Unseen said that he might make a seperate addon for that yeah

[stark crow]

Actually, I didn't think of adding something not existing in the original mod

[stark crow]

All such things can be made as addons, yeah

By the way

@hard sonnet, could you please check, if you have a betterendforge folder in your config folder?

Or the configs are spread all over the config folder?

Also, should we gate only tenanea and lucernia trees outer leaves by the config?

Or should we also gate things like

amarantia fur

Or blue vines fur

I think those things would look kind of naked without their fur

[hard sonnet]

Nope, it's spread out the config folder

[hard sonnet]

Probably? I think outer tree leaves should have a toggleability feature on, but fur, not so sure

it adds onto the blocks and that is something betterfoliage cannot do because these arent leaves

[stark crow]

Weird
Maybe I had already fixed that in the later version...

[hard sonnet]

There aren't any lighting issues for fur AFAIK so I think it's fine to leave on, I've also made a fork of better end with it already disabled and the lucernia and blossoming spires outer leaves* had a massive performance boost from just removing it

I think the outer leaves have an underlying issue with lighting and performance which could be checked out in the future perhaps

I think also in the configs, remove some of the non functioning features such as "changing end island" gen as its non functional and could confuse people in the future

are these toggleable features even functioning? I know fog is handled by nether api but can it change density?

gen chance is pretty much the same as netherapi_weight

so its a bit redundant

[stark crow]

Added config options for the outer leaves

[stark crow]

Yeah, the outer leaves have some problem with shading, probably

But actually

I haven't changed any models at all

[stark crow]

And by the way

There are now those bulbs at the ends of the vines

[stark crow]

Yeah, that would be nice, since half of the config is not working at all...

And also, the configs will now get grouped together

[hard sonnet]

I actually never noticed that issue, do they emit light? it seems from the screenshot the vines do, but not the bulbs

The vines I believe don't emit light, only the bulbs do

Same as lucernia vines as well with the flialux

[hard sonnet]

strange...

[stark crow]

Interesting

[stark crow]

Fixed

And also cleaned up the configs a little bit

So here is the 1.1.0 version of BetterEndForge Backport!
https://limewire.com/d/b2d87842-7ef2-4316-a06e-b19f78745112#G2s1jq8m1N0kcJkcls53xit3VR9VMdH7cQSGYH633fQ

[hard sonnet]

Is it both the filalux and the bulb vines?

[stark crow]

I fixed filalux before

[hard sonnet]

ah ok, will test this new build later

[hard sonnet]

just did a quick test run, lang keys havent been added for doors yet

charcoal block has an " mark at the end of the name as well

All the tools and weapons have their damages significantly increased as well

this blossoming spire formation has dirt around it, not sure if its intentional + I don't see revamped models yet for the chorus plants (caused by something else probably a mod or texture pack)

[split musk]

Hey can you tell me how did you achieve that glorious text design?

[hard sonnet]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/texture-packs/serified-font

[split musk]

Ahh thanks for this

[stark crow]

Well, I balanced the material damage, to match the values from 1.16.5 on axes

and it lead to this

[stark crow]

what about the dirt...

Well

the spire's surface is determined by the surface of the biome

For the tenanea biome itself, it's that pink moss

But if a biome does not have the surface block...

Like the vanilla end biome itself

then...

by default it's dirt...

[olive crane]

I might have to double-check the stats for Tinker's Construct I gave you, when this is fixed.

[fading sky]

I have krita, so I could figure something out with my tablet. I mainly use the program for pixel art.

[fading sky]

Never mind. Thanks for getting to it already.

[fading sky]

@slender plume is working on allowing some of the mobs added by the End Expansion mod to spawn in Better End biomes.

[fading sky]

I'll go ahead and start testing as soon as possible.

[olive crane]

Where are the configurations, btw?

[hard sonnet]

@stark crow for some reason, the "Musify!" mod somehow messes up the revamped model of the end chorus plants, could you see if that happens on your end? Really weird

I find it so strange a client sided music mod and a dimension mod is somehow conflicting

[fading sky]

I've just now spent a little while testing this update for the 1.12.2 Better End backport and I'm noticing the following bugs:

• The item names for the doors added by the Better End mod seem to have been corrupted when the block textures were added. They read as item.betterendforge.wood_door.name in the creative block slelection and the player inventory. HWYLA also seems to misidentify all the doors as plain oak doors.
• Both empty umbrella tree clusters and regular "full" umbrella tree clusters yield umbrella tree juice when right-clicked while holding a glass bottle. Only regular glowing "full" umbrella tree clusters should yield umbrella tree juice.
• Both cubozoa and end fish buckets do not yet work when right-clicked over a body of water.
• There is an apostrophe immediately following the name of the Charcoal Block type added by the Better End mod. Is this to prevent overlap with the Charcoal Block type added by Quark? Another option might be to add compatibility with Quark during a later state of development to prevent block types from overlapping. Possibly disable one of the charcoal block types from either of the two mods when both mods are installed.
• The block break particle texture for the respawn obelisk does not seem to be added yet. This can wait until full functionality is added to the respawn obelisk.

Other issues are not an immediate concern until I can compare block drop data and crafting recipes with the last stable fabric release of the Better End mod for version 1.16.5 of Minecraft.

By the way, I'd like to know if anyone has a reasonably powerful computer that can run both the 1.12.2 better end backport and the 1.16.5 fabric version of the Better End mod at the same time. This might make it easier to compare in-game block hardness values with the values entered in the code in case they do not match due to an accidental syntax error or some other interference. It might also save time in determining which crafting recipes still need to be added before full functionality is added to end stone furnaces, end metal anvils, and end stone smelters.

In the meantime, I will be using graph paper to write out the crafting recipes from the 1.16.5 fabric version and then adding any missing crafting recipes from the 1.12.2 backport to one or more craft tweaker .zs files (not including the furnace, anvil, or smelter recipes).

[olive crane]

Well... I have a Ryzen 9 5900X with 32 GB of RAM, it's just that Curseforge won't allow me to launch more than one instance at once.

[fading sky]

Interesting. I don't get that same problem with MultiMC, but it's not as easy to install large bundles of Curseforge mods with it as it is with the native Curseforge launcher.

[olive crane]

I see.

[fading sky]

I had one case where I accidentally ran two instances of 1.12.2 Minecraft at once in MultiMC and I was wondering the whole time why my computer was running so slowly.

[fading sky]

I would normally just check the crafting recipe and block break data in the .jar file for 1.16.5, but there's a strong possibility that there are some recipes in the .jar file that are not fully implemented in-game yet. This happened to me when I was looking up recipes in FutureMC and in the End Reborn mods. In the meantime, I'll be setting aside multiple sessions to compare crafting recipes and block break states between the fabric 1.16.5 version and the 1.12.2 forge backport.

[stark crow]

In the config/betterendforge folder

[olive crane]

Not seeing that folder...

[stark crow]

weird

[stark crow]

Ah, yeah

I should probably add an mcmod.info

[stark crow]

Fixed all those issues, except the buckets. For now the buckets are just a decoration

[stark crow]

Also fixed that

[fiery fox]

ur doin lords work

[stark crow]

Added the required-after nether-api dependency

[stark crow]

Fixed

[olive crane]

Good!

[stark crow]

What looks better for you?
shade:true

shade:false

[stark crow]

p.s. that's the original look of the model

[stark crow]

And that's me trying to fix it somehow

[nimble idol]

thallasium tools are fine for the most part, the only issue is the bow limb bonus damage is absolutely atrocious

for reference, iron has 7

compared to iron, it does also draw a quite a lot faster, and the range is also significantly higher

[olive crane]

There, changed to 5, 7, and 9 respectively.
That is the maximium I'm going to recommend, and not a point more.

[stark crow]

I think that with the shading enabled it looks way more natural

[nimble idol]

yeah that should be fine

[stark crow]

and what do you think about it?

[olive crane]

I agree

As a note, I changed the stats on the TConstruct stuff

It's still a WIP

[stark crow]

All the integrations will be in the update, going after this one

So there's still plenty of time to think of the TConstruct stats

[olive crane]

That was kind of the point. A trade off.

Hence why I won't budge past 5 bonus damage.

And why the original value was low

[nimble idol]

terminite tools's attack should go up to maybe 7 or so, while aeternium's should be 9, i also noticed a trend with the durability on all the tools, i think the head part durability should be doubled, while the extra and handle should be halved

that would keep it a lot more in line with tinkers' balancing

[olive crane]

Done.

[nimble idol]

oh right, also the tool mining levels are off by 1 because you assumed copper is a thing, should be diamond, obsidian, cobalt

[olive crane]

Not budging, it's based on the numbers from the actual pickaxes - not what my game is telling me

[nimble idol]

but that doesnt matter because i imagine it just reads the numbers

[olive crane]

Yep

It's based on the numbers

[nimble idol]

it should display the correct name ingame

[olive crane]

Yup

[olive crane]

This is correct on my game as well

[nimble idol]

honestly it should have just always been numbers, why tie it to names anyways

[olive crane]

Because it can. shrug

Also gives you an idea of what materials can be mined.

[nimble idol]

everything beyond iron is just ores anyways

and obsidian i guess

[olive crane]

In my modpack, there's more levels past Diamond/Obsidian/Cobalt

[nimble idol]

same here

[olive crane]

In mine it's Duranite, Valyrium, Vibranium, and Tartarite

Due to TAIGA and Metallurgy 4: Reforged.

[nimble idol]

not sure what mine are, i already switched to just numbers

[olive crane]

Fair enough.

[nimble idol]

but yeah i also have metallurgy 4 installed

i believe tartarite was 7 for me

huh, i guess copper was added inbetween somehow then, obsidian was replaced with something else

[olive crane]

Tartarite is 8 for me

[nimble idol]

idk, its weird

yeah 0 to 7, just checked

[olive crane]

What level is your Stone Sharpening Kit?

Says Copper, or "1" for me.

Then what level is a Slime Crystal Sharpening Kit? Says "Stone" or "0" for me.

[olive crane]

Any more changes needed, or are we good? [For the stats]

[nimble idol]

oh i think we're good, yeah

just loading into my modpack to check the levels

[olive crane]

Oh okay

I have a clipboard of Vanilla TConstruct/TCon Armory traits, if you'd like me to post that.

[nimble idol]

oh that would be helpful

thanks

[olive crane]

I was digging in the data of the registry for Tinker's Construct using TConModMod.
Mainly to reassign unused traits to materials that exist.

[nimble idol]

1 for me as well

iron gives 2

slime is 0

[olive crane]

Iron is 2, but shows a level of "Diamond"

Interesting.

On my list, Iron is 2 with a level of "Iron"

[nimble idol]

what are you using to display the levels btw?

the hwyla addon or tool progression

i havent used the first, the second shows the same values as tinkers though

[olive crane]

WAILA Harvestability

[nimble idol]

hmm, i wonder if maybe that has something to do with it

[olive crane]

Maybe. It's the same data, just named differently.

[nimble idol]

regardless, we should probably get back to traits, this is a bit off topic

[olive crane]

Indeed so.

Glad I made this clipboard for a previous project, though.

It's somewhat a copy-paste from TMM's optional output log

[nimble idol]

terminite and aeternium should definitely have enderference

thallasium could use alien to make it a lot more unique than just an iron downgrade

id say its quite fitting too

[stark crow]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/betterendforge-backport/files/6055565
Here is the second released version of BetterEndForge Backport!

It contains numerous bugfixes

[olive crane]

What armor traits should they have?

Also, as a note, parts can have more than one trait...

For Thallasium:
I'm also going to argue against giving Thallasium "Alien". I'd like to give it "Freezing" and "Cheap".
Freezing is a slowness debuff, and Cheap makes repairs cost less.
Only the "head" part should have Cheap.

For Terminite:
Going to argue against giving Terminite "Enderference". I'd like to give it "Alien", "Cold Blooded", and "Unnatural"
We all know what Alien does. Cold Blooded makes the first strike on a target hurt the worst. Unnatural is just a mining buff I threw on because it's an unnatural alloy.
However, assuming a unique scenario, this might make for great mass-production of these tools in an End Survival environment.
Only the "head" part should have Alien and Cold Blooded.

For Aeternium:
Going to agree with giving Aeternium "Enderference". I'd also like to include "Well Established".
Only the "head" part should have Well Established.
Makes this tool part a great Enderman farming blade, as it also gives bonus EXP.

[fiery fox]

someone that is not banned on reddit gotta spread the news https://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/

[nimble idol]

Im aware they can have more than 1 trait, something came up irl and i had to go

I hadnt finished picking them out

[nimble idol]

Considering thallasium is naturally found as an ore, while terminite and aeternium are alloys from it, i dont understand why the highly processed version of the base material would gain alien

Endstone has alien as a trait, why wouldn't thallasium, which is found in endstone, have it?

Also considering you have to smelt the raw thallasium to make ingots, i dont understand how freezing would make sense, unless its not used with its literal meaning

I do agree with cheap though

I think unnatural fits both terminite and aeternium, but i agree with cold blooded and well established

[stark crow]

What news? Porting AstralSorcery to 1.20.1? :3

We might try that

Though I wonder if there is a 1.20.1 Modding Coalition...

[wet plank]

Hype! You're truly a goodbird. ❤️

[fiery fox]

Seriously, time to time i gather a list of 10 mods in my mind that i would choose for a full fledged 1.12 version if a lamp genie allowed me to do so and Better End would be either the first or second one 😂

9 more to go

[stark crow]

If you have some other ideas, I could try and port those too

[split musk]

Do have a suggestion those recepies that requires a smithing table make it a an anvil recepie

[fiery fox]

do you favor 1.7 -> 1.12 or 1.16+ -> 1.12

[stark crow]

1.7.10->1.12.2 should be way easier then 1.16.5+ ->1.12.2

But sometimes even 1.16.5+ -> 1.12.2 are worth it

Like in the case of BetterEnd

One day I might try doing even something really huge

Like maybe Create porting to 1.12.2

[fiery fox]

apart from big boys like create

bro i was just writing it

LOL

[stark crow]

:3

The biggest problem of Create mod is that it's using its own rendering library

Though it's just a bit of optimization

[fiery fox]

again, apart from mods like iris, create(lol), terralith or alex's mobs i could come up with a few, both for 1.7 and 1.16+

btw how are you THIS good at minecraft modding ?

i mean all those different game versions, forge versions, java knowledge etc etc

[stark crow]

I have been modding for 5 years already

For 6+ hours per day

Without weekends and holidays

So yeah :3

[fiery fox]

seems like the career for future mojang employee, like that mocreatures guy : )

[stark crow]

And since I'm helping everybody around, I got the knowledge about many versions

[stark crow]

I'd like to port alex's mobs, but I've heard that Alex himself would not really like it

However, on modrinth I see that it's under the GPL licence

So probably, it's possible even without contacting Alex

[fiery fox]

im concerned for the burden of that mob ai on 1.12.2 victorian child of a version

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/ob-aquamirae maybe, license might be a problem tho

[stark crow]

I think that it shouldn't be that bad

[stark crow]

ARR

Yeah

[fiery fox]

and its probably dependent on post 1.13 ocean gen

since original dev already have an unfinished project for 1.12, iris is also out of the game i guess

most of the worldgen mods is also dependant on increased height limit...

[stark crow]

Yeah, shaders were always hard

So probably we have Create and Alex's mobs on our list

[fiery fox]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/do-a-barrel-roll

[nimble idol]

alex is against mobs being ported and a create port is already in progress

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/create-legacy it was even updated today

[fiery fox]

for 1.7.10, i hate that we dont have a properly done ExtrabiomesXL, like traverse, pvj, Auxbiomes and Environs++ all attempted to carry the legacy yet they all failed to deliver 1:1. one either lacks worldgen, content or stability

There is MorebiomesXL but its heavily broken on 1.12 https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/morebiomesxl

[stark crow]

Honestly, last time I launched this mod, it was waaaay far from the Create itself

However maybe one day it'll become similar to Create

[nimble idol]

well, of course, it is wip, but its slowly but surely coming together

[fiery fox]

8 more to go btw, i forgot Mcheli got ported aswell

[nimble idol]

all im saying is that maybe you could consider working with siepert instead of making your own separate port

if you decided to work on a create port to begin with, that is

[stark crow]

I'm not sure about it, since I actually prefer to use my own porting techniques

[fiery fox]

https://github.com/AKA-Syenite/Artifice its crime that this doesnt have 1.12.2 version

[stark crow]

Just a couple of blocks?

[fiery fox]

right ? its too simple yet no one even tried

[stark crow]

Though as code it looks a bit larger

Well, yeah

[fiery fox]

theres flowergen, oregen for basalt and marble, some old fashioned CTM blocks, sword/armor upgrade items etc etc

ooh https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/lendercataclysm

[stark crow]

It's half ARR

And I haven't even got his permission to port the mod to 1.20.1 Fabric

So probably no

[fiery fox]

do modder lose any financal gians if someone ports their mods to older versions ? i mean what is the reasoning here xd

[stark crow]

I don't think so

However

[fiery fox]

blocking copycats etc ?

[stark crow]

As we discussed here earlier

If somebody does a poor port of a mod

[fiery fox]

oh yeah, that

[stark crow]

All the bug reports will get to the original creator

And the original creator will be burried by the reports of bugs he is no responsible for

[fiery fox]

theres a reason why ported mods have a bigass red text in the front page xd

[stark crow]

Some of them have

and some are not

[fiery fox]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/the-undergarden

dimdoors limbo but more chaotic

[stark crow]

Interesting

[slender plume]

I have and Kotlin have gotten permission for backporting that mod. I’m unsure when that’ll occur, but Kotlin mentioned that it wouldn’t be to crazy to backport since all of its animations essentially are Citedal

[stark crow]

Ah, interesting

[slender plume]

If you beat us to the chase or do it, I’ll assist and probably Kotlin if not too busy

[stark crow]

I might try to do that

[slender plume]

Yeah, I think the hardest things about it would be the structure world gen since I imagine there structures use a lot of blocks not in 1.12.2 i think

[fiery fox]

that'd be hell of a project tho

[slender plume]

well we already have parts of Bosses of Mass Destruction backported, and my personal only other mod I'd like seen backported is L_Enders

[split musk]

Ahh i will see the rivalry between Ignis and KOBF now

[fiery fox]

oh looks like it got a major update recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5b8R353sgE

lmao a random elite draugr has more advanched ai than a battletower golem

[fading sky]

I see you're talking about future backport projects after the Better End backport. I'm definitely interested in seeing what solutions there are to allow vertical biome mods from future versions of Minecraft. This would definitely help the devs of the Deeper Dark mod in adding ancient cities and the deep dark to version 1.12.2 of Minecraft. It would also help with other cave biomes in the future.

[fiery fox]

and thats just a mid level mob, imagine the bosses

[olive crane]

Was basing it on the idea of the ingot being "Alien and Unnatural".
Another idea is that maybe the alloy is a bit unstable, thus it's changing stats.

Yes, I was using Freezing outside of a literal context.

In general, though, I was trying to give all 3 material types "unique identities" in a survival environment.

Thallasium as the "Hit and Run" survival ore.

Terminite as the "Alien and Unnatural" alloy, possibly can be mass-produced.

Aeternium as the "Enderman Hunting" material, since they do spawn everywhere.

Mostly, though, I was coming up with this all incredibly early in the morning.

[olive crane]

If I may ask... how interested are you in modern versions of Apotheosis?

I've been thinking about commissioning a backport of the more-modern Apotheosis to 1.12.2, since the version we do have in 1.12.2 is... well... unfinished.
[I use "unfinished" as a nice way to describe it.]

The license on the mod is MIT.

You also mentioned that 1.7.10 -> 1.12.2 is easier, to which I do have a couple mods in mind from the 1.7.10 era...
[But I am very excited about an Apotheosis backport.]

[slender plume]

lmao I honestly don't know if KoBF could defeat Ignis. Ignis is pretty strong in terms but the KOBF has a lot of tricks to help stay in the fight such as healing potions, and blocking attacks

[wet plank]

Yeah. Since the animations pretty much match up to LLibrary calls, my plan for it is to wrap LLibrary with a Citadel Wrapper that can handle the Citadel APIs - to make the backport more seamless.

I've had my hands full with RLCraft Dregora's launch, and I still have some stuff to finish on the Ice & Fire: RLCraft front, but I definitely intend to work alongside Unseen and any others interested, to make the Cataclysm backport happen.

I'm very excited for it.

[slender plume]

yeah I'm trying to be wary with some of my projects to not add bosses/dungeons to areas that L_Enders adds them

[slender plume]

what do you think would be the best approach for backporting? like releasing an initial release with maybe 2-3 of the dungeons complete

or the whole package, I'm fine with either or. But it might be best to gain traction through multiple releases

[slender plume]

as if something L_Enders is added to RLCraft, I think it would be a huge huge huge draw of people to the 1.12.2 community

[wet plank]

The Cataclysm backport will be huge, both in terms of effort but also in terms of value. The high quality bosses included within the mod will fit into so many of the existing modpacks for 1.12.2.

In terms of strategy, I definitely think it would be wise for us to select 1 - 3 bosses and dungeons for the initial launch. This would include presumably Ignis and one or two others.

This would keep the initial scope smaller, allowing for a more polished initial launch, while allowing for us to expand.

[slender plume]

Ignis, one of the end ones and maybe an overworld one. to hit all corners of the dimensions

[wet plank]

That sounds like a solid plan.

[slender plume]

the hardest part realistically for backporting is

blocks that are not in 1.12

now we do have a "unstable" nether backport mod and FutureMC

but I'm not sure on stacking dependencies for stuff. I think all the end dunegons are fine (that don't use future blocks)

[wet plank]

Yeah. A lot of modpacks don't have these mods as dependencies, so we wouldn't want to depend on them. However, when we get to say - the Netherite Monstrosity - it might be fine if that boss depended on Netherite existing. 👀

So, we might need to make some block decisions.

[slender plume]

defo, its decorations stuff we can do with what I did with the Lich Tower and just make our blocks that suite the theme

[wet plank]

Also, the Cursed Pyramid takes full advantage of Archaeology. Which, doesn't exist in 1.12.2. So, we will need to make some decisions for the Ancient Remnant.

[nimble idol]

Perhaps you could substitute blocks you dont have access to without future mc / backport mods with vanilla alternatives, which look worse but still allow the structure to generate

Sort of like what village names does

[wet plank]

Yup! I think that would be the right approach.

[nimble idol]

Im not too familiar with l_enders cataclysm but i imagine that should be possible

[wet plank]

Too bad Tenebris hasn't been added yet.

[fiery fox]

++++

[fiery fox]

Y'all gonna make it unfeasable for people to play recent versions after this point 😂

[fiery fox]

Do you guys have contact with futuremc's dev(s)?

[olive crane]

Any thoughts on this? @nimble idol

[stark crow]

Yeah, apotheosis is an interesting mod

Is it just missing the gems?

[olive crane]

It's missing basically everything...

[split musk]

Why does it looks like it comes striaght from sekiro?

[stark crow]

I should probably take a closer look at it

Since for me, Apotheosis is three things
more than max level enchants (probably exists on 1.12.2)
quanta, eterna, arcana system (probably exists on 1.12.2)
gem system (does not exist)

[olive crane]

I can confirm, Quanta, Eterna, and Arcana don't exist on 1.12.2

[stark crow]

Ah

So on 1.12.2 it's just more than max level enchants?

[olive crane]

Idk about the enchants, but without Quanta, Eterna, and Arcana - that becomes very difficult to accomplish.

[split musk]

Gem System Alongside with other items that supports those enchants and affix books which lets you upgrade your own gear with affixes which is not possible in 1.12.2

[stark crow]

Affix books?

That's the first time I hear about those

And why is it not possible on 1.12.2?

[split musk]

Cause only the gear that you get from the mobs can have these affixes and they are mostly the vanilla armor sets which people dont use in modded playthroughts that have most modded armors as end game armors

[olive crane]

To put it shortly, the affix system is limited to what drops from mobs, or is found in chests, and it seems to just be Vanilla tools and gear.
There is no "Salvage Loot to make your own"

[stark crow]

And what prevents us from making those mobs with that gear dropping?

And chests with this special gear as loot?

Ah

I see

Well

Maybe someone would use Apotheosis in a vanilla-like pack

and then they would use that affixed armour

even if it's diamond armour

[split musk]

Apotheosis is basically in every future version modpack

[stark crow]

I see

Then

Probably

It's our next goal then :3

[olive crane]

Holy shit!

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-tower-gif-6750687226035150123

[stark crow]

:3

By the way

I remember seing a forum thread about apotheosis

[olive crane]

Yes

[stark crow]

But now I can't find it

[olive crane]

That was me

[stark crow]

Could you please find it and ping me there?

I think we should revive that thread

[nimble idol]

I feel like thats kind of unnecessary considering tinkers already allows you to switch out parts and customize your tools for such purposes
If making a tool out of the same material was optimal, then doesnt that sort of defeats the purpose?

[olive crane]

I guess that's fair. I was thinking on the grounds people would be using the different heads of the tools, though - or possibly using End Stone as a part (which already has Alien for it's core/head).

[nimble idol]

But if you really like the idea then im fine with that, i can easily change the traits in my modpack to whatever im looking for

Having any compat is good enough because it covers the people who just want to play tinkers and better end together and not worry about tweaking anything

If a tinkers compat doesnt have custom traits, or even if theyre simple, it can easily be created through crafttweaker and contenttweaker

[olive crane]

Hmm.

[olive crane]

I can make custom traits?!?!?!

You're shitting me.

[olive crane]

I mean, in reality, we can just give all 3 cores "Alien" if that really floats your boat - lol.
I will be basing my picks for the armour traits on the traits we pick for the tools.

[nimble idol]

https://docs.blamejared.com/1.12/en/Mods/ContentTweaker/Tinkers_Construct/TraitBuilder

[nimble idol]

That would be a bit boring though

Especially because endstone also has alien

[olive crane]

Then maybe none of them should? lol

[nimble idol]

I think thallasium makes sense because its naturally generated in endstone

[olive crane]

But don't we gotta melt away the end stone to refine it in the furnace?

[nimble idol]

Meanwhile terminite and aeternium are alloys, so they can have unnatural for the rods and extras

And the rest i think anything works really

I liked well established for enderman farming

Probably for aeternium

Cold blooded for terminite also works fine

And thallasium can also have cheap for rods and extras

Maybe aeternium should also have cold blooded because its a really endgame material, 2 traits seems fair

There, thats a mix of both our ideas

[olive crane]

So here's what I'm thinking:

For Thallasium:
"Alien" and "Cheap".
Only the "head" part should have Cheap.

For Terminite:
"Cold Blooded", and "Unnatural"
Only the "head" part should have Cold Blooded.

For Aeternium:
"Enderference", "Unnatural", and "Well Established".
Only the "head" part should have Well Established and Unnatural.

That seem good?

[olive crane]

The documentation is helpful, but my head is spinning trying to understand what I'm reading... sorry :/

I'm trying to make traits which either apply a status effect to a mob when they get hit, or a buff to a player when attacking.

Also want to make a "Reverse King Dice" trait with the description "Throw the Dice of Fate?", which applies a random potion effect to the player when they hit something [instead of the normal "King Dice" effect of giving the mob the random effect].
(Yes, it's a reference to Binding of Isaac. I know, I know.)

[nimble idol]

Yup, seems perfect

Now on to the armor... I should probably get home before i help with that because im less familiar with those

[nimble idol]

Oh i havent worked with craft tweaker enough to know for sure, but those dont sound that complicated to me

They should be possible

I wonder if you could backport the modern copper trait, which increases mining speed at lower y levels

Ill definitely have to experiment with it when i get the chance

[nimble idol]

Also no idea how well its implemented for armor, but i find altitude and dimension to be incredibly interesting factors for trait functionality

Hopefully im able to take advantage of those

[olive crane]

I think I already have a trait in my modpack that does this. It's not base TConstruct.

[nimble idol]

Yeah, definitely

[olive crane]

I am pretty familiar with the armor traits

[hard sonnet]

Is anyone else having this weird issue where installing musify alongside betterend is reverting the revamped chorus fruit model/textures to the default ones? Genuinely confused

[olive crane]

@nimble idol Here's my ideas for armour traits:

For Thallasium:
alien_armor and cheap_armor.
Only the "core" part should have cheap_armor.

For Terminite:
vengeful_armor, and dense_armor
Only the "core" part should have vengeful_armor.

For Aeternium:
enderport_armor, steady_armor, and ambitious_armor.
Only the "core" part should have ambitious_armor and steady_armor.

Thallasium is Copy and Paste.

Terminite continues on the "Cold Blooded and Vengeful" theme. I also gave it "Dense" because it's an alloy.

Aeternium continues on it's Enderman-farming theme. Enderport for making e-pearls hurt less, Steady for taking less knockback, and Ambitious to double-up on the "Well Established" trait.

[stark crow]

I just opened Musify...

And it seems that for some weird reason it has full minecraft inside of it

All MC libraries

Full MC code

All MC assets

Including the default chorus model&texture

And since it's Musify

It goes after the BetterEndForge

So it overrides everything to the default vanilla textures and models

[nimble idol]

Kinda wish aeternium could also have dense because its an alloy of an alloy, but i understand that would make the material overloaded, and the other traits make a lot of sense as well

Maybe steady could go, since endermen dont really take advantage of knockback that much?

Although it makes the armor feel "heavy", which also makes sense as an alloy

Its your call on this one, im perfectly fine with what youve chosen right now

[nimble idol]

Holy shit the curseforge file is 85 mb, thats just 1 less than the entire betterend backport

For a clint side mod which adds music customization, that seems a bit much

[olive crane]

I'm sticking with my guns on this one.

The "Steady" is for when Endermites spawn from e-pearls

Sometimes they hit immediately.

[nimble idol]

Right, forgot about that

Guess thats it then

[fading sky]

@stark crow I will soon be posting the list of missing recipes in the 1.12.2 back port that don't require smithing tables, anvils, end stone smelters, or infusion pedestals. First, however, I will need to post another bug report since I noticed a few issues when testing blocks and plants for drop tables. The bug report and missing recipe list will likely be ready in about two days. Right now I need some sleep.

[stark crow]

Alright, thanks!

And good night :3

[olive crane]

I'd recommend the TConstruct Materials have the ids:

betterend_terminite
betterend_aeternium
betterend_thallasium

To avoid crashes with any obscure mods that may already be using Terminite, Aeternium, or Thallasium to register with TConstruct.

Thallasium

Armour (Construct's Armory):
Core:
Defense: 13
Durability: 5

Plates:
Modifier: 0.5
Durability: 10
Toughness: 0

Trim:
Durability: 3

Tools (Tinker's Construct):
Head:
Durability: 200
Attack: 5
Mining Level: 2 (Iron)
Mining Speed: 5

Bow:
Drawspeed: 1.20
Range Multiplier: 2.0
Bonus Damage: 5.0

Handle:
Durability: 37
Modifier: 1.0

Extra:
Durability: 37

Terminite

Armour (Construct's Armory):
Core:
Defense: 18
Durability: 45

Plates:
Modifier: 1.0
Durability: 13
Toughness: 1

Trim:
Durability: 10

Tools (Tinker's Construct):
Head:
Durability: 600
Attack: 7
Mining Level: 3 (Diamond)
Mining Speed: 7

Bow:
Drawspeed: 0.6
Range Multiplier: 0.7
Bonus Damage: 7.0

Handle:
Durability: 150
Modifier: 1.25

Extra:
Durability: 100

Aeternium

Armour (Construct's Armory):
Core:
Defense: 24
Durability: 90

Plates:
Modifier: 1.5
Durability: 15
Toughness: 2

Trim:
Durability: 20

Tools (Tinker's Construct):
Head:
Durability: 1300
Attack: 9
Mining Level: 5 (Duranite)
Mining Speed: 9

Bow:
Drawspeed: 1.0
Range Multiplier: 1.0
Bonus Damage: 9.0

Handle:
Durability: 112
Modifier: 1.5

Extra:
Durability: 112

TOOL TRAITS:

For Thallasium:
alien and cheap.
Only the "head" part should have cheap.

For Terminite:
coldblooded, and unnatural
Only the "head" part should have Cold Blooded.

For Aeternium:
enderference, unnatural, and established.
Only the "head" part should have established and unnatural.

ARMOUR TRAITS:

For Thallasium:
alien_armor and cheap_armor.
Only the "core" part should have cheap_armor.

For Terminite:
vengeful_armor, and dense_armor
Only the "core" part should have vengeful_armor.

For Aeternium:
enderport_armor, steady_armor, and ambitious_armor.
Only the "core" part should have ambitious_armor and steady_armor.

@stark crow Here's what I have written down for the TConstruct stats and traits.

[stark crow]

Alright, I'll take a look at how to implement all of that

[hard sonnet]

Ill report this to the issue tracker later and see what can be done on their end

[hard sonnet]

Just a heads up, also test it on the fabric ver of 1.16.5 because Paulevs did state that recipes were mixed / wrong in the forge ver i cant test for a bit because im a bit busy

[fading sky]

Thanks for the reminder. I have indeed been testing using the fabric version of the mod (specifically version 0.9.8.5-pre-1.16.5).

[fading sky]

I had trouble finding the XP and drop values for Amber, Thallasium, and Ender ore, so I'm gonna have to boot up the game and find out manually. Hopefully I get some consistent results.

[fading sky]

I finally found the XP drop rates for the Better End ores, but I had to test them directly in fabric version 0.9.8.5-pre-1.16.5 and in 2.1.7 [1.19.2] for the later implemented raw thallasium ore. Unfortunately, I could only calculate the average XP drop rates which do not always equal an integer.

@stark crow See if you can understand the source code for the behavior of silk moth hives. The behavior will eventually have to be implemented for both naturally generated silk moth nests and crafted silk moth hives (when this block is implemented). I can't understand from it how the hives and natural nests are supposed to be replenished with silk fiber or silk moth matrix randomly. I'm assuming the rate at which the hive is replenished is based on silk moths entering and exiting the hive, but I can't be sure since I don't understand the code.
https://github.com/paulevsGitch/BetterEnd/blob/master/src/main/java/ru/betterend/blocks/SilkMothHiveBlock.java

Another thing I remember about silk moths from later versions of the Better End mod is that they behave similarly to bees from vanilla Minecraft versions 1.15 and later and that the silk moths can be bred with blossom berry plants collected with shears or silk touch.

[stark crow]

Actually, those silk moth hives work just like the regular bee hives

And the code of filling the hive is just inside of the Moth Entity

https://github.com/paulevsGitch/BetterEnd/blob/master/src/main/java/ru/betterend/entity/SilkMothEntity.java#L304

So yeah, each time a moth enters a hive, the hive gets +1 fullness

and when the fullness is at 3, you can shear the hive

to get 8-16 silk fiber

and with a chance of 1 in 4 you get silk moth matrix

[hard sonnet]

i just saw your other message in the server, apologies for not responding i am currently a bit busy but good that you found it

[fading sky]

@stark crow I finally have the bug reports ready and some .zs files with the missing or incorrect crafting recipes. I couldn't remember how crafttweaker coding works so I used the in-game GUI. This also means that I could not get the Shadow Berry Jelly recipe to leave behind an empty bottle or bucket behind on the crafting table after crafting Shadow Berry jelly (This is how the recipe is supposed to work in the mod). The recipes for Terminite Bulb Lanterns and Thallasium Bulb lanterns will also have to be modified from their current recipes. They use iron bars instead of their respective metal chains.

I also forgot to mention in my report that once end metal anvils are implemented, the Terminite and Thallasium armor sets will have to be modified to use forged plates instead of ingots.

I also noticed a few minor worldgen issues while testing. There still seem to be some minor chunk discontinuities and harsh lines between biomes, but they're not nearly as bad as they were in the pre-release versions.

I'm not sure what's wrong with the silk moths in the last image. Maybe entity culling is causing this behavior.

[stark crow]

Interesting

[pulsar gull]

Do you have Fish's Undead Rising installed by any chance? Turns out ghost ray causes a memory issue. I fixed the freezing by disabling ghost ray

[zenith rampart]

Nope. It'll be a while before I can try it again, but I haven't played with that mod since March of last year

[sage vortex]

how bad is the memory issue? is it present on the latest version of the mod

[fading sky]

A while ago somebody posted a phantom mob backport. I forgot to mention that there are a few recipes for elytra upgrades in the Better End mod that require Phantom Membranes. It unfortunately looks like that phantom backport project has been put on hold for a while.

[olive crane]

I also am curious about this.

[nimble idol]

Yeah thats a bit concerning

[pulsar gull]

the memory consumption would steadily go up until the game froze, so it's pretty bad

https://github.com/FuGu0416/Fishs_Undead_Rising/issues/166

[sage vortex]

🤔

[pulsar gull]

this post is from april but the latest 1.12 version on curseforge is from february, so the issue is present in that version

[sage vortex]

@summer wren might be worth considering

[pulsar gull]

not sure whats going on there, is the latest version not on curseforge?

[lilac yarrow]

Nothing special is going on there, it's just going to be part of the large upcoming update 1.5.

[summer wren]

Aha, I see you are in cahoots with Icarus now 😏

[lilac yarrow]

You're right, but already since 2023. 😄

[tall geyser]

@stark crow Greetings again. Thanks for patching a few issues I reported the last time. There are two more things I would like to point out:

• having "Options" hardcoded to true without implementing proper configs to change them makes it impossible to tweak the mod without writing mixins. (Example: https://github.com/Goodbird-git/BetterEndForge-1.12.2/blob/main/src/main/java/mod/beethoven92/betterendforge/common/world/generator/GeneratorOptions.java)
• instead of writing gigantic mixins, please just mixin in a call to your method you want to call (Example: https://github.com/Goodbird-git/BetterEndForge-1.12.2/blob/main/src/main/java/mod/beethoven92/betterendforge/mixin/EndSpikeFeatureMixin.java) if I want to change a single value in a function I have to redo your whole function as another mixin, as you can't really target mixins with mixins.

[hard sonnet]

when walking through vine blocks such as this, your movement is resisted a bit like normal vines and you can climb up them (I think that is the newer versions' climbing behaviour)

[shell spruce]

I had a crash when I put the coral block from Better End in the water, before that, rendering errors started appearing in the chat room

[shell spruce]

this coral

[sage vortex]

will the ghost rays be fixed?

[fading sky]

I have yet to test blocks that have waterlogging mechanics in this mod. Have you tested this with charnia, flamalix, pond anemones, end lotus stems, or tube worms?

[lilac yarrow]

Yes, already done for the update as far as I'm aware!

[shell spruce]

Not yet, but I'll check it

[hard sonnet]

There's no waterlogging, it's 1.12.2, unless fluidloggedapi compat is added

[fading sky]

The blocks have waterlogging in later versions of the mod. My assumption is that compatibility with fluidlogged API will eventually be added once the latest update is made to fluidlogged API.

[hard sonnet]

I'd say so yeah, up to goodbird whether when it will be added

[shell spruce]

Pond anemone just breaks, end lotus works, but it's not fluidlogged

Also, will be great to see bonemealing to new grass/moss-like end blocks

[shell spruce]

When I tried to place flamaea it placed waterlily instead

[fading sky]

what about hydralux?

[sage vortex]

@summer wren im creamy

[shell spruce]

can't found(

[wet plank]

I find it amusing to see an Enderman testing Better End. 🤣

Sorry, but I had to comment on that. 😁

[tall geyser]

I mean if anyone is certified for testing an end themed mod, it’s me. /s

[tall geyser]

Also @stark crow in regard to my message before, would you accept pull requests to your repo? And if so anything I’m not allowed to touch?

[molten copper]

Installed to test with a chunky pack. So far so good with no crashes. Did notice jade blocks spawn in every biome. Is that normal?

[stark crow]

Hello-hello!
Actually, I removed a lot of config properties just because they were not working (not used in the code)
On 1.16.5 BetterEnd uses its own terrain generator, while on 1.12.2 it uses the regular one
So even if you write the mixin into those config props, it won't change anything

[stark crow]

What about not writing gigantic mixins - yeah, I undestand your idea, so I won't do that

[stark crow]

Yeah, sure, feel free to change anything, as long as you tell why (probably you should first tell your idea here, so that I could explain why you should or should not change that)

[fading sky]

Does this mean one of you is working on implementing mountain terrain for painted mountains and crystal mountains?

[tall geyser]

For now 3 things:

• port the build script to the newest version of rfg and use some proper imports for nether api (so it doesn’t rely on a file in your lib folder, took me a hot minute to figure that out, when trying to setup a workspace)
• port the config files to the default forge config system, while also checking on the hardcoded true ones (like that one config in your DragonFightManager mixin >:3 I encountered.)
• refactor a few mixins (to only hook into the methods they need to, but move the actual functionality to a separate class)

[stark crow]

Porting script to RFG - that would be amazing! Probably will even use that buildscript in my other 1.12.2 related mods/ports/addons

Porting config files to the default forge system - also great idea, however before adding new entries, make sure that the system itself works (like I'm not sure, if that DragonFightManager even works). I do porting in a very specific manner - I stabilize the source first, trying to fix all the compile issues, replacing all non-existant methods and fields with something that seems reasonable. And only if that there are too many things that don't have a replacement, I remove the class or comment it. And then I launch it many-many times, until it actually works, fixing all the bugs found. And since nobody even tried using that dragon fight config option (it did exist before the latest update) I haven't even checked if that DragonFightManager works. It might be just a bunch of compiling useless functions.

And refactoring mixins - yeah, that would also be amazing!

[stark crow]

I'm not working on that right now, it's just what was implemented in the 1.16.5 version
But maybe one day I'll work on it

[tall geyser]

Alright guess I’ll setup a proper dev space then. Also like I said before the dragon fight option currently is hardcoded to true, so even if it doesn’t work it still runs that code.

[hard sonnet]

Musch like with the outer leaves, some foliage have some shading problems, when blocks are placed near it

some blocks such as the lumecorn rod when stepped on or broken, has the error texture particles

foggy mushroomland mushroom trees should have more vines

creeping moss light level should be 11 not 15

[hard sonnet]

cave gen has weird square borders

[hard sonnet]

through the hollow center of the menger sponge, you can see through blocks into the void if you look below

[sage vortex]

kind of a cool accident tbh

[fading sky]

There was a similar bug with the silk moth nests before Goodbird fixed it.

[summer wren]

This lowkey fits really well

imagine if it had a little "tint" to it so it looks like a portal into entropy

[twilit tinsel]

A minor thing since I didn't want to interrupt the convo in here, is there anyway to make the Elytra featured in the mod compatible with the Baubles mod for convenience?

[hard sonnet]

The forge ver of BetterEnd didn't port the elytras over

one of the many missing content that wasn't ported

[hard sonnet]

as cool as it may be, it does pose a massive x ray exploit : (

@fading sky did you also post the missing items / content from the forge ver as well as the deleted recipes?

[split musk]

More elytras of the better end would be pretty cool they should add that too

[twilit tinsel]

I thought they were getting added further down the line instead
A man can dream

[hard sonnet]

Could the chance of music playing be increased? I think it may be a Nether API issue, but music feels extremely rare to hear

[fading sky]

I do believe so. I listed broken or missing recipes and blocks included in the 1.16.5 Fabric version of the mod.

[fading sky]

Maybe at a rate closer to the Aether mod for 1.12.

[stark crow]

I'll take a look at it

[tiny surge]

Wasnt there a bug at one point that did something like this? (This is greenery but I am told this was also an issue here as well) was it figured out why this happened?

[fading sky]

Yes, the trees were spawning in a grid pattern in some of the biomes.

Maybe @stark crow can share how he fixed it.

[stark crow]

The problem was that I accidently passed in-chunk coordinates (0-15) to the generator instead of the full ones

[sage vortex]

just saw the new update, looks huge

i didn’t see the ghost ray memory leak mentioned specifically in the changelog but im assuming it’s part of it

[lilac yarrow]

It's fixed, there was just so much to list for them.

[sage vortex]

awesome work as always

[lilac yarrow]

We appreciate it!

[hard sonnet]

I've submitted an issue on the github of netherapi of the issues found while testing betterendforge. Are there more issues to be stated? https://github.com/jbredwards/Nether-API/issues/20

[split musk]

And pls add the elytras that better end provides

[olive crane]

Any luck with the TConstruct and such compatibility?

[hard sonnet]

what do you mean by that?

[split musk]

I mean the armored and crystallized elytra that better end adds

I am talking about these

[tall geyser]

No priority yet afaik

[hard sonnet]

That has nothing to do with netherapi, it is betterend that does that

[split musk]

I know i am just telling to add these elytra upgrades to at least we can make use of them

[hard sonnet]

I see, that would be up to goodbird to port them from the fabric version if he wants in due time

[tall geyser]

Before any new content is added, the current content should be made (mostly) bug free, so we have a base to add new content to. After looking through the codebase, there is a bunch of untouched/commented out stuff, that’s still needs to be rewritten/reimplemented.

[olive crane]

Someone unironically tried the DM scam trick on me, regarding this mod...

That scammer is a total loser, goodbird is an amazing developer.

[stark crow]

Ah, discord scammers are back?

I haven't seen them in a while

[olive crane]

Yup

[amber lodge]

Are they still in the server?

[olive crane]

One is, for sure

[hollow wagon]

thank u for persisting in porting

[tiny surge]

Yep. Thats why I dont post in here anymore. I just go with people I know within the community because there have been a lot of shady or clueless "devs" that have reached out in response to posts here

If they arent well known here, I dont really trust them

Especially when they start talking about mods of other games that theyve worked on instead of minecraft

[amber lodge]

Like I meant could you tell me their username lol

[tiny surge]

I dont remember. I just blocked them

[amber lodge]

Next time you get a sus message open a ticket so we can take a look at it

[toxic portal]

You can check who you have blocked at the bottom of the Content & Social section of your Discord settings

[tiny surge]

Fair enough

[twilit tinsel]

dennymhiz for one they had tried approaching to do a comm and when I asked what mods they had I could look at they avoided the question and only asked about money but they haven't been active for a while

[stark crow]

Hello-hello!
Could you please tell me more about these?

[stark crow]

That will be fixed in the next update

[stark crow]

I tried to fix that several times, and it still emits light on 15...
I'll take another look at that thing

By the way, @hard sonnet, I was told that there are some problems with end biome temperature

Do you have any ideas on what temperature should be in the End?

[split musk]

Yeah these elytras are a direct upgrade to the next elytra and can be crafted using some ritual like recepies

Like these

You need like these alter blocks to made it

I think armor can be crafted like this too

And the armored one can be made using a smithing table only tho you can shift this to an anvil one or have the aternium workstation for this to put this recepie

You need to do a lot of recepie changes for this one

But yeah it would be possible if you implemented it

[hard sonnet]

Yeah, what is it they mean by biome temperature problems?

Is it compatibility with mods like simpledifficulty?

[stark crow]

Yeah, exactly!

Then I probably need to fix the ores and the pedestal crafting first

And then do the elytras

[hard sonnet]

Well, what i've just reproduced is that every biome in betterend is registered as hot biomes so the temperature of the player will keep going up until they reach hyperthermia

The problem is, simpledifficulty I believe has config options to adjust temperatures by blocks

Was that the issue with the biome temperatures?

If the temperatures are changed within the blocktemperature json file I think the issue can be resolved - I changed the temperatures of the blocks and it worked for me

the mod author for simpledifficulty makes compat for other mods so if someone requests it I guess it can be added?

[hard sonnet]

Will the rest of the biomes be implemented as well?

[stark crow]

Interesting

[stark crow]

And what do you mean by the rest of the biomes?

All the biomes that were in the original BetterEnd are now on 1.12.2

The only thing is that some of them are missing the structures...

Like crystal mountains don't have the mountains

and megalakes don't have the megalakes

[hard sonnet]

Yeah that is what I meant by the biomes

Is it mainly the structures that is the issue?

[stark crow]

Yeah

And the biomes themselves do exist

[hard sonnet]

Ah, do you know what is up with the structures?

[stark crow]

I even almost fixed them at some point...

but they were working quite weird

And I promised to publish the mod on Christmas

So the structures were disabled for now

[hard sonnet]

Is the next update focusing on the ore gen and gem functionality?

• bug fixes

[stark crow]

gem?

[hard sonnet]

The ore gen drops gems

or smelted however it works

[stark crow]

Ah, I see

[hard sonnet]

By functionality I mean this

• armor

[stark crow]

Yeah, probably

[hard sonnet]

I think it would be challenging to work around considering a lot of the recipes involve smithing tables

[stark crow]

Well

We can add our own smithing table...

Retexture it a tiny bit

GIve it a end-like recipe

And it's good to go

[hard sonnet]

That sounds interesting, curious to see how that would work, sounds good

[split musk]

You mean the alter crafting

[split musk]

An end style smithing table

Noice

[hard sonnet]

It's a functional feature that's what I meant

[split musk]

Ok and yeah i think this alter crafting is possible i mean abyssal craft did it

[stark crow]

Hello-hello!

I'm back :3

And so are the crafting tables

And the fishies in the buckets

And some spawn eggs

[fading sky]

I was about to ask since a lot of universities in the US are having spring break this month. I'm assuming some other college students in the modding coalition should be available to help if they want to and have time.

[stark crow]

Started working on chests

And they almost do work

though the double chests do have one problem

the textures did change

on 1.12.2 a double chest has one texture

128x64

While on 1.16.5 it consists of two

I might try and do some tricks to make it work

however I'm not sure if it'll work

and we might need to join those textures into one

and do so for like 10 chests

Ugh

the trick didn't work

We need to join the textures 😭

[sage vortex]

@amber smelt

[amber smelt]

lol, i know this pain

i was trying to backport chest textures and then found the unholy abomination that is the difference between modern and 1.12 chest texture layouts

[stark crow]

Decided to make a chest-merging script

from PIL import Image

def combine_images(regions):

    result = Image.new("RGBA", (128, 64))

    for cropped, dst_pos in regions:
        result.paste(cropped, dst_pos)

    return result

def preprocess(l, t, w, h):
    return (l, t, l+w, t+h)

base = "umbrella_tree_chest_"

image1 = Image.open(base+"left.png").convert("RGBA")
image2 = Image.open(base+"right.png").convert("RGBA")
double = Image.open("normal_double.png").convert("RGBA")

regions = [
    (image1.crop(preprocess(14, 0, 15, 14)), (59, 0)),
    (image1.crop(preprocess(29, 0, 15, 14)), (29, 0)),
    (image1.crop(preprocess(14, 14, 44, 5)), (29, 14)),
    (image1.crop(preprocess(14, 19, 15, 14)), (59, 19)),
    (image1.crop(preprocess(29, 19, 15, 14)), (29, 19)),
    (image1.crop(preprocess(14, 33, 44, 10)), (29, 33)),

    (image2.crop(preprocess(14, 0, 15, 14)), (44, 0)),
    (image2.crop(preprocess(29, 0, 15, 14)), (14, 0)),
    (image2.crop(preprocess(0, 14, 29, 5)), (0, 14)),
    (image2.crop(preprocess(43, 14, 15, 5)), (73, 14)),
    (image2.crop(preprocess(14, 19, 15, 14)), (44, 19)),
    (image2.crop(preprocess(29, 19, 15, 14)), (14, 19)),
    (image2.crop(preprocess(0, 33, 29, 10)), (0, 33)),
    (image2.crop(preprocess(43, 33, 15, 10)), (73, 33)),

    (double.crop((0, 0, 6, 5)), (0, 0)),
]

result = combine_images(regions)

p1 = result.crop(preprocess(14, 33, 30, 10))
p2 = result.crop(preprocess(58, 33, 30, 10)).transpose(Image.FLIP_TOP_BOTTOM)
p3 = result.crop(preprocess(14, 14, 30, 5))
p4 = result.crop(preprocess(58, 14, 30, 5)).transpose(Image.FLIP_TOP_BOTTOM)

result.paste(p1, (58, 33))
result.paste(p2, (14, 33))
result.paste(p3, (58, 14))
result.paste(p4, (14, 14))

output_path = base+"double.png"
result.save(output_path)
print(f"Image saved at {output_path}")

Takes two halves of a chest

and a lock from a normal double chest

cuts and pastes all the things

flips some parts

and voila - we get 10 fixed chest textures

Almost there

Great success!

Ah, and the tiny chests need a shift too...

[fading sky]

Looks like teksturepako recently posted his most recent changelog for Fluidlogged API under #mods-discussion . This is one step closer to integrating fluid logging into the Better End backport.
https://modrinth.com/mod/fluidlogged-api/version/3.0.0

[nimble idol]

im pretty sure you mean "jbredwards's changelog"

[sage vortex]

jbredwards is the dev, not texturepako lol

[olive crane]

Added this to my Modpack Config

[split musk]

Bro brainstorming for a chest damn

[stark crow]

The normal chests are now fixed!

And fixed hand chest renderer

p.s. a script for fixing the single chest texture

from PIL import Image

def preprocess(l, t, w, h):
    return (l, t, l+w, t+h)

base = "umbrella_tree_chest"

result = Image.open(base+".png").convert("RGBA")


p1 = result.crop(preprocess(14, 0, 14, 14))
p2 = result.crop(preprocess(28, 0, 14, 14))
p3 = result.crop(preprocess(14, 19, 14, 14))
p4 = result.crop(preprocess(28, 19, 14, 14))

result.paste(p1, (28, 0))
result.paste(p2, (14, 0))
result.paste(p3, (28, 19))
result.paste(p4, (14, 19))

p1 = result.crop(preprocess(14, 14, 14, 5))
p2 = result.crop(preprocess(42, 14, 14, 5)).transpose(Image.FLIP_TOP_BOTTOM)
p3 = result.crop(preprocess(14, 33, 14, 10))
p4 = result.crop(preprocess(42, 33, 14, 10)).transpose(Image.FLIP_TOP_BOTTOM)

result.paste(p1, (42, 14))
result.paste(p2, (14, 14))
result.paste(p3, (42, 33))
result.paste(p4, (14, 33))

output_path = base+"_.png"
result.save(output_path)
print(f"Image saved at {output_path}")

[stark crow]

Ladders

[summer wren]

Were they 3D in the original mod as well? O.o

[stark crow]

Yep

I changed nothing in the assets

[stark crow]

Furnaces

RIght now reviving the pedestal system

I'll probably try and do this thing like shapeless

Since I remember there were a lot of problems with it requiring you to have the recipe facing north

Or something like that

[stark crow]

Voila!

Almost...

the items left

[tall geyser]

@stark crow if you need some reference. I basically re-made a mod that is just the pedestal crafting https://github.com/Ender-Development/PedestalCrafting-Patched

[stark crow]

Thanks!

But actually, I know quite a lot about such things

Made a similar system on 1.7.10 before

For my friend's server

A huge crafting system with pedestals, absorbing mana (botania), life essence (bloodmagic) and vis (thaumcraft)

All of that integrated with minetweaker

So I have quite a lot of experience in that :3

[tall geyser]

Alright.

[stark crow]

Much better particles

And the items now get removed

[split musk]

Can we integrate our own recipes of we want to??

[stark crow]

That would be the next step

Integrating it with the MineTweaker system

Or it might be CraftTweaker, since it's 1.12.2

[split musk]

Noice

[split musk]

Crafttweaker i guess

[stark crow]

For now I want to take a look at the smelter

and at the ore gen

And that would be the update

The tile entity update

And the next one will probably be the integration update

JEI, CT (CraftTweaker), TC (TinkersConstruct)

[tall geyser]

add GroovyScript to that list, I can probably do that if you still accept PRs.

[stark crow]

GroovyScript? It's the first time I hear about it

I know that groovy is a language Gradle uses for its configs

But I haven't heard about it being used in MC

[tall geyser]

it's an alternative to crafttweaker

but allows you to access actual java classes of mods

• mod: https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/groovyscript
• wiki: https://cleanroommc.com/groovy-script/

[stark crow]

Ah, just like CNPC scripting system!

Very interesting

I just looked at it

And I want it in CNPC...

after doing this update, I'm going to my unofficial port of CNPC to 1.20.1 and integrating it with groovyscript...

[tall geyser]

Oh I just remembered the mod I mentioned before comes with GroovyScript support if you want to take a look at how to set it up. Otherwise I can pr most of it once you finish the first round of machines.

[stark crow]

The ores are here!

[stark crow]

Jellyfishies!

They are now not just blue cubes!

[stark crow]

Endstone smelter is now here!

yeah, since there is no netherite on 1.12.2, aethernium is made like this

These ponds finally look alive!

[split musk]

The development is going faster now damn

[stark crow]

Test version is here!
https://limewire.com/d/1eb7e872-0942-457c-a2ab-87a21e39f1fb#S5YzMUZ_g1fOtzcHqouOZutlBUBLWLp1GDJEyFM_DcU

Ugh, the built version does not want to start because of the updated mod template...

@tall geyser, could you please tell me why the access transformers don't work?

I enabled them in the gradle.properties file

[stark crow]

https://limewire.com/d/3a96b2f2-6ba4-441d-9eeb-513c14bc77e5#vjDMfbdX9Z1W1rTClmNuU0dd8cRkdZWvV7wsd4ThyWc
Probably fixed

@hard sonnet, would you like to test it when you have some time?

[hard sonnet]

Yeah sure, I will later will test the features you added

[hard sonnet]

Perhaps in the future, compat could be made to UNB and futuremc for aeternium stone smelter recipe?

Or alternatively crafttweaker / groovy script support for more configurability for what materials to smelt

[stark crow]

Yeah, sure!

The next update (after this one) will hopefully be the compatibility update

JEI, CraftTweaker, GroovyScript, Waterlogged, TinkersConstruct, futuremc, optifine support

[cobalt beacon]

I keep lurking this channel, it's super cool to see the progress in this mod

[tall geyser]

Got it figured out yet?

[stark crow]

Yeah

Everything should work now

The problem was in some entries left from 1.16.5

[tall geyser]

👍

[shell spruce]

How about integration with FutureMC? There's a netherite

[stark crow]

Yeah, that's in the todo list

[hard sonnet]

different wood chests do not seem to be interacting well together

This only happens for example if you place "lacugrove chests" then place a "tenanea chest" right next to it, it starts glitching out. Sometimes it goes invisible and you can see the hitbox above

the ultimate chest chain

https://streamable.com/1xoej6 placing two different wood variant chests next to each other will also make a double chest but the left side would be more "dominant" which just overrides the right chest to form a double chest if that makes sense

ideally chest interactions should look somewhat like this

as of now i assume that the other variants of cubozoa's are not added along with swimming is that correct?

breaking end stone furnaces while lit emits error particles

end stone smelter GUI should have these marked things here but may be a bit unnecessary for now

As of now, making an aeternium ingot in survival mode is impossible because one of the core ingredients ender dust requires to be made from crushing ender shards with a smith hammer

[stark crow]

Interesting

[stark crow]

They can swim a bit

Like upwards/downwards

[stark crow]

Interesting

[stark crow]

Ah, the names will be added

while the recipe book will not

[stark crow]

I see

Thanks for testing, will fix all that soon!

[hard sonnet]

Np, I still need to test pedestal crafting

As you're starting on the functionality, are there any alternatives to a smithing table to craft some of the armor

[stark crow]

For now there are not

But maybe in the next update

[stark crow]

Maybe futuremc adds a smithing table

[hard sonnet]

Yeah it does

But would it be necessary to make futuremc a required dependency?

tbh i wouldnt mind just a quick terminite chestplate + aeternium ingot in a crafting table for now

and bam aeternium chestplate for example

it can be done with craft tweaker however

I was wondering have all the infusion pedestal recipes been added?

from the 1.16.5 forge ver to 1.12.2

[stark crow]

Most of them

Some of them were added in code

Like all the enchanted books

And they do remain on 1.12.2

[hard sonnet]

Right, I must;ve done something wrong then

[stark crow]

Let me send you a file

Here are the infusion recipes

Ah

wrong file

it's the one from 1.16.5

here are the ones from 1.12.2

[hard sonnet]

Will look at them now

[stark crow]

Done

[stark crow]

Done

[hard sonnet]

Hmmm, I wasn't able to get an enchanted book (bane of athropods 1) using the pedestals. I did it on forge/fabric 1.16.5 but the 1.12.2 ver would not budge

By looking at the code and the wiki i should've got it right

Another thing to note is that the infusion pedestal seems to be bugged

for example, the book would not rotate like the other items on the pedestals. It would be stationary

and I cannot right click the book to get rid of it, instead I have to break the infusion pedestal to get rid of the book

[stark crow]

Is it the only thing you tried to craft?

[hard sonnet]

Yeah, I've tried to make other enchants

I'll see now

just to make sure

[stark crow]

Ah

[stark crow]

It seems that the central pedestal should be placed last

then it'll work

else it won't see the outer pedestals

[hard sonnet]

ugh, yeah I've done that, I've also made sure the direction is facing north as well

this is for silk touch

You've got it to work, so I'm going to try the recipe

[stark crow]

North does not matter, definetely

[stark crow]

Is the petal enchanted?

[stark crow]

Could you try the protection?
Iron chestplate, ench. petal, 4 lapis

[hard sonnet]

Ok, I've just saw the screenshot that you sent and I realized the ported recipe for forge 1.16.5 had it completely mixed up

this is the recipe for protection for fabric

[stark crow]

Ah

the turtle helmet does not exist on 1.12.2

so it's an iron chestplate instead :3

[hard sonnet]

oh wait, yes It's meant to be an iron chestplate but I think the orders are mixed up for some reason

[stark crow]

On 1.12.2 order does not matter any more

it's now shapeless

[hard sonnet]

Ah I see

I'll try it again

[stark crow]

Fixed

[hard sonnet]

The only enchant working for me is the protection, I'm so confused lol

[stark crow]

Added the variants

[stark crow]

THat's a bug then, probably

Let me check it

The blaze rod thing worked for me

[hard sonnet]

ok I must be defo doing something wrong then.

wait

is the order from that screenshot different?

[stark crow]

Order should not matter

but it probably does

:C

[hard sonnet]

ok yeah I can't get this to work

Was there a specific order you put each pedestal at?

I placed the pedestals around first

then the middle one

then filled the outer ones

then filled the middle one with the book

[stark crow]

Fixed that

Was a tiny mistake with indexes

[hard sonnet]

With the infusion pedestal recipes?

[stark crow]

Let me try and fix the central last thing

and I'll build another version for you

Fixed

Building

https://limewire.com/d/fb3d1591-6aa8-4872-a52e-452b6afddbfa#l28vUEb3_EEheJrv1boxZ3JfZ5txlekg8snRwIcOvDU

Done

[hard sonnet]

very weird issue, on the left side, when opening the chests, it plays the chest opening noise, meanwhile when opening the chests to the right side it doesn't make any noise whatsoever. There seems to be some sort of prioirity going on. This only occurs when chests are placed right next to each other

As all these chests are placed side by side, only the furthermost left chest makes the chest opening noise, while all the other chests do not make any

[stark crow]

Well, yeah...

That's how it works

The chest is based on vanilla chest

and vanilla chests do it like that:

[hard sonnet]

Wait I just realized this is a 1.12.2 issue im pretty sure

[stark crow]

The chest looks on the left

[hard sonnet]

you cant put vanilla chests side by side in 1,.12.2

ah

[stark crow]

and checks if there is a chest there

if so, it delegates the noise to it

So that two halves of a single chest would not make two noises

In vanilla it works fine, since you can only stack chests up to 2

but in betterend

you can stack the chests of different types infinitely

Soooo

yeah...

[hard sonnet]

massive success

will test the others now

There are a few problems though. All the enchants available for this ver are also impossible on 1.12.2

Some of the items required e.g enchanted petal and eternal crystal require infusions beforehand

And there are no recipes for them at the moment

[stark crow]

enchanted petal should have the recipe

Or I might have forgotten to add it...

[hard sonnet]

This is how it is meant to be layed out

Probably yeah

[stark crow]

Added

What else do we want?

[hard sonnet]

eternal crystal, which requires 4 ender shards, 4 crysral shards and an end crystal in the middle

Also, do you want to add the rest of the infusion recipes, which include the crystallite armor set and runed flavolite

[stark crow]

Ah, those are not ender shards

[stark crow]

Fixed

[stark crow]

Added

[stark crow]

Yeah, we could try and do that

[hard sonnet]

polished flavolite in the mjddle surrounded by 4 crystal shards

this creates runed flavolite

they all use terminite armor sets with amber gems on top surrounded by crystal shards

[stark crow]

Done

[hard sonnet]

Awesome, that should be it for the ritual recipes according to the wiki

[stark crow]

Also, what temporary recipes should we add?

[hard sonnet]

Terminite armor set + 1 aeternium ingot for each armor set = aeternium armor set

terminite helm + 1 aeternium ingot = aeternium helmet for example

The thing is as well, these should be formed from the anvil recipe

what should we do about those

they are formed in the smithing table

to form each corresponding tool / weapon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSDTXoSH1Pc

4:40 of the video

[stark crow]

Oooh

We should probably leave those for now

Or

Make shaped recipes for them

like in vanilla

[hard sonnet]

Yeah I was thinking that

[stark crow]

3 in a row = pick

[hard sonnet]

yeah

[stark crow]

1 = shovel

3 in a corner = axe

So, let's do that

[hard sonnet]

Solid

[stark crow]

The only problem, we'll lock the nuggets

Well

Maybe we should wait with those...

By the way

Temporary

https://limewire.com/d/391653b2-0641-437c-b27c-3b25f9034d10#wCv5klEBxpWvccOWhgw0AoMSLiq6lClI4VvU98CTCeY

So

Hopefully, that's a version for the release

[hard sonnet]

End crystal when put on the infusion pedestal doesnt show

[stark crow]

Ah...

It is supposed to render as a real crystal

[hard sonnet]

Other than that, I think it's good for a next release unless if people find more bugs

Every addition seems to be working fine

[stark crow]

Done

[stark crow]

Hmmm

@tall geyser, could you please tell me

Is it normal, that manifest only has an FMLAT entry inside?

I just tried to launch the build betterend from a regular environment

And it seems that mixins haven't launched there

[stark crow]

I wonder how you managed to launch it

And didn't crash from the first biome music

Like I immediately got

[hard sonnet]

Strange... This is my mod list

[tall geyser]

Are you using something to load the mixins?

Like a mod in your test instance?

[stark crow]

I'm using mixinbootstrap in the real client

[tall geyser]

Yeah that one is quite outdated

[stark crow]

Yeah

I should probably update it

and also notify the people not to use this one

Since I thought that it was the latest version

Yeah

Hmmm

Ah

It's booter

not bootstrap

It worked! Thanks!

[tall geyser]

[stark crow]

Publishing time!

🥳

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/betterendforge-backport/files/6285724

The 1.2.3 release is here!!!

[fading sky]

Players can always replace the recipe with one that uses netherite ore from FMC or Unseen's Nether Backport using Craft Tweaker if they really want to. It's probably a good idea that you've included this recipe.

[fading sky]

My brother has spring break this week so I should have more time to help testing for bugs.

[tall geyser]

Could just add a fancy check if the ore duct for netherrite exists/contains an item and otherwise use a diamond.

[split musk]

Yeah that Would be a great idea

[tall geyser]

Same goes for the smithing table stuff. But that’s for the compat module. Check if future mc is loaded and the config that enables the tables is true, add all recipes to it. If it’s not just add the placeholder recipes.

[spiral ingot]

hello

custom workbench can't use

in newset 1.2.3 🙂

[stark crow]

That's weird

I tested them before and they did work

They stopped working :C

Ah

I lost a newly added mixin while merging with Enderman's modern mod template

Will be fixed in the next update

By the way

I wonder if I should make a modrinth page for BetterEnd port

[tall geyser]

that's reminds me I still haven't gotten to the mixin refactor I've talked before.

too many projects

[stark crow]

Everything is alright, it can wait

[sage vortex]

couldn’t hurt right?

[stark crow]

Yep

[olive crane]

Any luck with the Tinker's Construct stuff from long-before?

[stark crow]

The next update will probably be the compat update

With TC compat, and many others

[hard sonnet]

https://mclo.gs/NMuNWh0 When launching better end on its own, there are some errors in the logs that could get fixed in the next update. Models, blockstates, textures and some mixin issues from the looks of it

These don't crash but fixing them would just clean some issues up a bit

[tall geyser]

Well if good bird didn’t touch these yet, I’ll probably have to PR a coremod as these mixins target vanilla classes which can’t be modified by simple mixins.

[stark crow]

Yeah, I might take a look at the models/blockstates issues

[stark crow]

Interesting

I wonder though why some classes can't be modified by simple mixins

[tall geyser]

You have to differentiate between Minecraft/forge mixins (early mixins)
And mod mixins (late mixins).
If you want to modify forge and Minecraft classes the mixins have to be executed via a coremod, otherwise they will be executed right before mods getting loaded at which point you can’t target Minecraft and forge classes anymore as most of them are already loaded

And core mods load even before Minecraft and most other forge classes are loaded, which makes it possible for early mixins to target these classes.

[stark crow]

Well, I thought it works a bit different

In Java itself there are ClassLoaders

And you can define your own ClassLoader

And override its defineClass function

It's the function where the classes are getting created

So yeah class, after being read from a .class file, passes through this function, and then goes into the native Java function, which actually creates the class inside of a JVM

And Minecraft (Forge) defined a interesting dynamic classloader

where all classes pass through a series of ClassTransformers

Which can change the bytecode of a class, right before it is created

And this technology is called ASM

But it's quite hard to modify the bytecode properly

So people created some kind of a wrapper, called Mixins

That allows people to still modify the bytecode, but much more conveniently

But I thought that it still applied just before the class itself is loaded

On 1.7.10 it worked like that, definetely (I investigated how the minecraft launch process works)

And coremods are just a thing which registers those ClassTransformers into the ClassLoader

[toxic portal]

The bytecode transformation happens as the class is loaded, but with mixins it depends on when they get loaded. For a mixin to be queued it needs to target a class resource that can be found, but the issue is there being 2 different times when mod jars are scanned and added to the classpath.

The first scan is during coremod discovery which is before vanilla classes are loaded, but the second scan is during normal mod discovery and happens after vanilla classes have been loaded

[stark crow]

Ah, now I see

Thanks!

[hard sonnet]

oh dear, I don't remember this happening during playtesting

[stark crow]

Ugh

What is that...

Maybe that happened after me trying to fix the breaking particles...

we might need another bugfix update before the integrations...

[hybrid fractal]

Would anyone know if the server hanging while traveling the End was fixed in the latest update?

[stark crow]

I didn't manage to hang my server by traveling through the End