Backport of the Better End Mod for Forge 1.12.2

[hard sonnet]

I think that's the closest we get to looking like the water in the normal better end

[stark crow]

but if you look at that boiome itself

[hard sonnet]

yeah that looks nice

[stark crow]

by the way

there is some marine life

If you look a bit closer

You'll see those blue things

those are cubzoas

[hard sonnet]

could be an nether api issue but sometimes these blocks do not removed during cave generation

[hard sonnet]

ahh yeah i was wondering what that was

I think there were meant to be fish and jellyfish spawning in the ponds though

as well

i'll get an SS

[stark crow]

Interesting

[stark crow]

I think those are the jellyfish

But inactive ones for some reason

and could you try and spawn a jellyfish on the land on 1.16.5?

[hard sonnet]

Ah it's the cuboza

cubozoa*

that's what it looks like in the forge ver compared to the 1.16.5 ver

[stark crow]

Yeah...

[hard sonnet]

and the end fish as well don't spawn

Would you consider adding block sounds in the CF release?

I see that some blocks such as emerald ice and dense snow have its properties

but they lack block sounds

same with the mushroom caps as well, i think they're meant to have the slime block noise

[stark crow]

Actually, i think that end fish are just...
drowned...

[hard sonnet]

they drowned in the water when they spawned?

[stark crow]

Yep

[hard sonnet]

yeah i just spawned them in and they live on land

but they die instantly in water

[hard sonnet]

some more images of cabe generation gone slightly wrong

[stark crow]

No more drowning fish

[stark crow]

Interesting

[hard sonnet]

do they swim? I havent seen any of the marine life swimming

they more or less just stay on the bottom of bodies of water

[stark crow]

No, they just stand still

[hard sonnet]

not yet implemented yet i assume

[stark crow]

Yeah

I was focusing more on the worldgen itself

[hard sonnet]

yeah i should too actually

[stark crow]

And was even thinking to remove all those 100 workbenches and chests from different end woods

[hard sonnet]

I think temporiarly it should be done

before the functional blocks are added

then they can be implemented back in

[stark crow]

Yep

And some of them may be even left removed

like signs, for example

I know that they have some commandblock-like issues

Like you can enter some command into a sign and it will run it

or something like that

and it can be extremely bad for the servers

[hard sonnet]

Also some biomes are not yet implemented or implemented properly which i also assume are in WIP, for example with the megalake, painted mountains, crystal mountains

Once they're done would you do the first CF release, assuming that current issues are fixed

[stark crow]

Ah, yeah, that's true

And I even thought of releasing without them

Since those structures are quite buggy for some reason

By the way

Do you know how pedestals work on 1.16.5?

Pedestals are the only functional things I'd like to implement in the first release

those are the only things that I see reasonable (who would ever make a furnace out of some type of end stone?)

[summer wren]

Honestly, I think something like #7fffd4 would look way closer.

[hard sonnet]

You just place an item above it and it displays it right?

I think ice and fire 1.12.2 has something similar to that

[slender plume]

i am testing that rn, i shall let you know

i believe in the past i noticed it, but i could have been very well sleepy

[stark crow]

You think the water should be of that color?

Does not look very sulphurish

But we can always test

[stark crow]

the pedestals should have several shapes

This one

probably like that

not sure though

[hard sonnet]

ah you're talking about the model

[stark crow]

Yeah

[hard sonnet]

I'll see now

like that sort of

[stark crow]

So that's the only pedestal model?

[stark crow]

Hmmm, yeah, I see

[hard sonnet]

Yeah i spawned a couple they have the same model shape it seems

[stark crow]

at least

I managed to do something like that

[slender plume]

okay, yes for the End cities that spawn in my biomes, the shulker spawns are duplicated

[stark crow]

That's a NetherAPI issue

[stark crow]

And actually, the worst thing is that the Elytra is also duplicates

[slender plume]

also came across this neat pond with some ruins, btw how do you generate the islands ontop of the main end island. is that world generator structure thing or is that a noise generator with the actual chunk gen

I'd like to do the same of more islands over the main floor for the barrend bogs

[slender plume]

[stark crow]

You mean the spires in the blossoming spire biome?

[slender plume]

yeah, are those static structures or are they random gend?

via noise

[stark crow]

Those are generated via SDF and randoms

[cobalt beacon]

Technically, that's a vanilla feature of normal sign functions, though you shouldn't be able to set them up in Survival, unless the original mod fucked that up

[slender plume]

interesting

[stark crow]

I know that even with vanilla signs and books there are a ton of problems on large servers

[stark crow]

Soon I'll publish the source of the ported mod on Github

[cobalt beacon]

Feel free to peep the horror of my own Fish code, most of it is adapted from Guardian Code

[stark crow]

So that you could check it yourself

[cobalt beacon]

Those issues are entirely separate from that type of exploit, and more come down to the limits of chunk storage data size

[hard sonnet]

https://filetransfer.io/data-package/lcZsrSv3#link heap dump of the earlier builds with ambience and music not sure if it helps or if I done it correctly with spark

[hard sonnet]

crystal shards shouldn't be solid

something up here, Im still suspecting its the cave gen

squares popping up and distribution of foliage looks a bit too uniform

dont think cave entrances should be present in neon oasis + neon cacti basically explode whenever i go near them

[hard sonnet]

also present with neon oasis and looks uniform as well

[summer wren]

Looks like stuff is only generating in the middle of chunks, perhaps related to the system that prevents cascading worldgen.

[slender plume]

i know there was stuff relating too spawning mobs in the past and I'm unsure if you've gotten that fixed

but I've ran into a weird issue which could totally be my end on end expansion

but the mobs in the barrend biome at specfic chunks like spam spawn

to the point where it drive the game to 1fps, seeing a mob every single block and i have no clue yet if this is a nether-api issue

just as a heads up

[hard sonnet]

regarding the structure, it seems to be covered to prevent it from leaking out

[stark crow]

Each time I make some changes to entity spawning system, hoping not to see 10000 dragonflies in one chunk

[stark crow]

Interesting

[stark crow]

I'll take a closer look at that

[stark crow]

Yeah, it's probably cave gen

I just don't know yet why it happens

[stark crow]

Thanks!

[stark crow]

Do you think we should both inject a mixin into the end city structure, in order to prevent that from happening?

[stark crow]

Unfortunately

Because the original water is dark blue, you can't really make it lighter

[summer wren]

That's weird man

I guess it is what it is

[stark crow]

Yeah

So we'll probably return back to the sulphur colored water

Since it's at least logical

In the sulphur biome the water is of sulphur color

[summer wren]

fwiw orange might look better than brown

Or at least a more saturated shade of the previous color

[stark crow]

Interesting

[summer wren]

Closer to this hue

[stark crow]

if you give me the color, we might try it

[summer wren]

Maybe this #db9f30

Or this #d1b61d

If neither of those two looks closer to real, then yeah, just the original you picked

[stark crow]

Unfortnately, each change requires MC reload

since it's a final field and a final getter method

[summer wren]

Well that's tedious :/

[stark crow]

(remember that it's combining water blue + your color)

and blue+orange probably equals something like yellowish gray

[summer wren]

I think that's kinda good

Maybe with the next preview-release I'll check how it looks with a colorless texture

[stark crow]

Yeah, memory analyzer told that the sound system is leaking

Now I just need to find out why

[slender plume]

yeah probaby, or just submit prs to him about it

I think he'd be fine with that, as I'm sure for the first and second users to use nether-api he'd want to developer feedback and quick catches if he can get them

[slender plume]

on our server with the nether backport mod we would get what would seem like a client side memory leak for those that stayed in the nether too long in the biomes

so this would make more sense as to why

I think the ash wastelands though uses one of the other ambience systems but from the one that method that nether backport uses

its probably that side

[lilac spoke]

a lot of the audio in the sounds.json is set to stream: false

like most of the music is set to false, which it should be true unless theres a specific reason

that could cause some issues

[stark crow]

Ah, interesting

[stark crow]

Thanks!

I'll try to change all of them to stream: true for now

[lilac spoke]

Short stuff thats expected to possibly run multiple times at the same time like entity noises should be stream false

But longer stuff like music should be true

[stark crow]

Ah, I see

Thanks for the explanation!

[lilac spoke]

Its possible thats not the direct memory leak cause but its might be

[stark crow]

Yeah

[lilac spoke]

its been ages since I did much with sound performance but iirc that is then being caused by the larger ambient/music files not being set to stream

loaded fully and saved in the buffer instead of being streamed

[stark crow]

I see

Thanks again for your help!

[fading sky]

I tested this build last night and it appears that it may be incompatible with one or more optimization mods that @nimble idol recommended. I will spend some time determining which of these mods are preventing the game from booting, but I'm not sure if I should spend more time focusing on the base mod first before looking into compatibility issues.

[nimble idol]

Did you make sure to configure them? They are by default incompatible with eachother actually

[fading sky]

I should've known that first. Sorry.

[nimble idol]

I should have really tested them with better end myself, sorry, ive been very busy with my own modpack the last few days

I think ill try to load it up tonight and see if i run into issues

And if i do, if i can work around them

[nimble idol]

Oh no its my fault really, i should have let you know before hand

Stellarcore, vintagefix, nothirium and fermiumasm all have some conflicting features

[stark crow]

Interesting

By the way

New test version
https://filetransfer.io/data-package/bIywRjpj#link

Hopefully, the sounds should not leak anymore, thanks to fonnymunkey!

[nimble idol]

nether api is a dependency correct?

well, the good news is i did manage to get the game to boot

the bad news is it crashed on world creation and said it was due to the mod "unknown"...

caused by vintagefix, no surprises there

well

considering my pc is like 7 years old, id say this is pretty damn good performance wise

stable 400ish fps on max graphics settings and 12 chunk render distance

well ok, perhaps i spoke a bit too soon, 300ish fps, but thats still more than enough

ouch

this biome tanks performance real bad

[spiral ingot]

wow

thank you

[nimble idol]

uhh, so, about that config...

what's the file called because i cant seem to find it

also any apparent connections between the crash log and one of these options?

[lilac spoke]

If its a NoClassDefFoundError you should upload the full latest.log file as the actual error is more likely posted earlier than the crash report

[nimble idol]

i see, alright then

[nimble idol]

...

i just never learn my lesson do i

i spent 20 minutes looking through configs, then thought "ok what if i tried it again with no changes and it just worked"

well i tried it with no changes and it just worked

hooray

i love modded minecraft

anyways, those damn pillagers appear to have also taken a bite out of this end island

welp, i crashed
https://mclo.gs/z7uUZ5E

[nimble idol]

@fading sky if you want me to i can send you a copy of my configs

or even an entire instance import

[hard sonnet]

Thats most likely due to light checks. Blossoming spires, lantern woods and the dark forest all have this issur at the moment

[fading sky]

Sure! Would that be in DMs or on this thread? Either way is fine.

[hard sonnet]

Ill check out this new release tomorrow

[nimble idol]

shouldnt be an issue to send them here i think

also, should have asked beforehand, but this is for censored asm + naughthirium

unfortunately naughthirium doesnt work with fermium asm

if you take issue with censored asm (which is completely reasonable), youd have to disable ondemandanimatedtextures in fermium asm's config

actually here's the config for that as well

if it crashes just try again and it might work

[hard sonnet]

had to get a quick run, and look already

[fading sky]

I'm confused now that you brought up Naughthirium, censored asm, and loli asm since none of these mods are in your original optimization mod list.

[hard sonnet]

Honestly, just try out Alfheim and Nothirium

Alfheim is the main mod to be installed alongside at the moment

see if it runs good on your system

[nimble idol]

basically, fermium asm is a fork of normal asm, which is a fork of censored asm (also referred to as loli asm)

and naughthirium is a patch for nothirium to work with censored asm, but the patch currectly doesnt work with fermium asm

[fading sky]

That makes more sense now.

[nimble idol]

yeah, apologies for not being clearer on it, optimization mods can get a bit confusing at times

[nimble idol]

oh also:
fermium asm (mod) -> normal asm (config)
censored asm (mod) -> loli asm (config)

which is why the 2 files i sent dont match up with the mods i mentioned

[split musk]

End now looking more alive than ever

[fading sky]

@nimble idol I'm still getting a crash with your optimization mods and the config that you sent. I will try launching the game without the optimization mods for now until I can find a solution. By the way, would you like my latest crash report?

I'll go ahead and post the crash report.

[lilac spoke]

You're missing FermiumBooter

[fading sky]

Oops!

[fading sky]

I'm currently noticing this same issue with the Dry Shrublands biome and Dragon Graveyards. Vegetation in these biomes generates in a hyper-regular grid.

It also appears that biomes are still generating over void areas as well as vanilla small platform islands where the 1.16.5 version of the mod keeps vanilla terrain generation.

@nimble idol I'm not exactly crashing anymore, but the launcher still freezes before starting up the game, even with the FermiumBooter dependency installed.

[lilac spoke]

You're missing RedCore

[fading sky]

Let me know if I'm missing any other dependencies. I installed the mods in a hurry so I wasn't really paying that close attention.

I ran the mod for a while again and it appears that there's at leased one glitched texture in the blossoming spires biome that makes everything behind it invisible.

[fading sky]

I'm noticing those same glitched chunks in the Dragon Graveyards biome as well as in the crystal mountains biome.

Should I go ahead and begin testing crafting recipes or should I focus mainly on testing world generation right now?

[split musk]

I think at least have the crafting receipe work done at least that aside

[fading sky]

I'm hoping the issue is just another missing dependency mod this time. I installed Red Core and attempted to Run the Better End build with @nimble idol's optimization mods again and the game crashed again before booting.

[nimble idol]

Maybe i shouldn't have assumed youd be using a launcher which tells you the mod's dependencies and downalods them for you...

I have school in a bit but i should be able to head up to my pc and just send you the entire mod list instead

alright, here is every mod you need installed:
alfheim lighting engine
censored asm
config anytime
entity culling
fermium booter
mixin 07-08 compatibility
mixinbooter
mixinbootstrap
naughthirium
noisethreader
nothirium
paperfixes
particle culling
red core
render lib
stellar core
universal tweaks
vintage fix

and dont forget to install nether api for better end itself

Ive ran a modpack of 300ish mods using this setup (and also betterend last night ) so i really have no idea why it wouldn't work for you at this point

[fading sky]

I apologize for my incompetence. I'll be installing the remaining mods in a few hours.

[nimble idol]

No its alright, i just hope it works out in the end

Damn it, i wasnt even trying to make a pun there

[lilac spoke]

you have:

[nimble idol]

I guess... I guess i should have also specified to use the latest versions

[fading sky]

I eventually changed those mods to the latest versions. I'm troubleshooting with StellarCore right now.

[nimble idol]

Weird, i actually switched to stellar core to fix a crash with vintagefix, havent had problems with it ever

[fading sky]

@nimble idol I finally got your optimization mod pack to work. I also got my first game freeze. It looks like I won't be able to run the mod in full screen for a while since I couldn't close the game in time to get the error message from the console window.

[nimble idol]

Well im glad you got it working

Not sure about the fullscreen part, i use atlauncher and its console stays open ofter minecraft crashes and saves all the data until i close it

[fading sky]

Hopefully the grid-like vegetation and glitched chunks in the Dragon Graveyards, Dry Shrublands, and Crystal Mountains won't be too difficult to fix. I have no real idea how chunk generation works.

[stark crow]

Right now I'm working on fixing the grid-like vegetation

And then I'll take a closer look at how the caves could break the chunk height

[fading sky]

I will be testing the mod further with the nature's compass mod to see if any other generation errors exist in the other biomes.

[stark crow]

No more uniform distribution

[hard sonnet]

I think this is a nether api issue as I've noticed this with end expansion itself. Whenever biome music starts playing, if you move to a different biome, the music will not fade out but will stop once the soundtrack ends

bars do not connect to the walls

these small jellyshrooms sometimes generate wrongly and their rotations are not against blocks. They are also not meant to be solid blocks

floating foliage above pools

also do these massive mushrooms spawn? I haven't seen any yet, or is it a structure

[stark crow]

That's a structure, yeah

[stark crow]

Yeah, that's a netherapi issue

[stark crow]

Interesting

[hard sonnet]

In the first CF release, would you disable end cities from generating in the betterend biomes until they get fixed later on

[stark crow]

I think I'll inject a mixin into the end city gen

so that it would never do duplicates

[hard sonnet]

Also another difference between the 1.16.5 and 1.20.1 ver of better end is that the lucernia outer leaves in the 1.16.5 ver emits light, while in the 1.20.1 ver doesn't emit any light

Would it be better if it were to not emit any light at all to possibly improve performance for now and see how it looks?

[stark crow]

I should take a look at that

but actually, I thought that lucernia does not emit light on 1.12.2

I thought it was only the lantern woods trees which do that

[hard sonnet]

yeah in the 1.12.2 ver it does emit light

[stark crow]

interesting

[hard sonnet]

in the 1.20.1 the filalux emits light only

dont know if thats worth changing but I'd say it could benefit performance in the lantern woods

1.16.5 compared to 1.20.1

[fading sky]

For block and item identification, which fork of WAILA works best? I want to find out specifically which object in the Blossomy Spires biome has glitched textures.

[stark crow]

Ah, I see

then I'll disable the lighting for all the fur

[fading sky]

I noticed this same issue with the Megalakes biome. Goodbird has already said that this biome wasn't finished yet, but I just want to point out that this same glitch also appears in this other biome.

When I did some further testing of the Better End backport this evening, the game crashed in a Megalake biome. I've saved the crash report in case anyone can understand what happened.

In the sulphur springs biome, it appears that the entity data for Cubozoa is broken for Xaero's Minimap. They read as "entity.cubozoa.name". I have not tested other mobs from the Better End backport yet, so I don't know if this issue is found in other mobs as well.

This following generation issue is not as critical as others, but I don't remember Jade blocks generating at ground level in the 1.16.5 version of the Better End mod. This may just be due to the way cave generation works in Nether API. I'd consider this a low priority issue.

I encountered one End City that looked exploded while testing the mod this evening. Hopefully this is not caused by Nether API.

[fading sky]

I will begin testing the remaining mobs for Xaero's Minimap compatibility later. Hopefully I don't get the same entity.mob.name glitch with the other mobs.

[stark crow]

I'll add the name keys to the lang file

[stark crow]

That's probably Nether API issue

[stark crow]

While this is not - the caves are not generated via netherapi

[stark crow]

Yeah, I should fix that

[stark crow]

In the next update the shulker bug will be fixed!

p.s. @slender plume, here is a mixin for the fix of the shulker issue

@Mixin(StructureEndCityPieces.CityTemplate.class)
public abstract class EndCityStructureMixin
{
    @Inject(method = "handleDataMarker", at=@At("HEAD"), cancellable = true)
    protected void handleDataMarker(String function, BlockPos pos, World worldIn, Random rand, StructureBoundingBox sbb, CallbackInfo ci){
        if (function.startsWith("Sentry"))
        {
            if(!worldIn.getEntitiesWithinAABB(EntityShulker.class, new AxisAlignedBB(pos).expand(1, 1, 1)).isEmpty())
                ci.cancel();
        }
        else if (function.startsWith("Elytra"))
        {
            if(!worldIn.getEntitiesWithinAABB(EntityItemFrame.class, new AxisAlignedBB(pos).expand(1, 1, 1)).isEmpty())
                ci.cancel();
        }
    }
}

[hard sonnet]

That is so strange, I've never seen this. Is this caused by another mod somehow? Is it just performance mods you have on

[hard sonnet]

dragon graveyard mushrooms should have lanterns + armarnita fur generating underneath the caps

sometimes the mushroom caps for the blue plants are missing

chorus forests should have chorus plants in the biome

I'm pretty sure better end 1.16.5 has no cave entrances, but that may be due to the overhauled land masses, up to you if you want to keep it in or not

these foggy mushroom land stems shouldn't be solid blocks, only the top part is

these umbra valley hill formations should also contain the blocks generated from the ground

more umbrella jungle trees should have vines stick down fom the membrane too

[hard sonnet]

when you look down two umbrella tree membranes there is sort of an xray

visibility through the tree membranes only shows some blocks, I cannot see foliage, other mushroom trees

[stark crow]

Interesting

I'll take a closer look at all of that

For now I'm trying to find out what's causing the chunks to get higher or lower

It's probably something breaking the height generator

Since even if I disable all the block placing functions, it still breaks the chunks

however if I disable all the decorators it will fix

So it's something with the caves that breaks the height gen

[zenith rampart]

I'm about to give this mod a test run

Let's hope everything runs smoothly 😅

[zenith rampart]

My game just froze

The world stopped loading and mobs stopped spawning, so I tried to save and exit but my game client stopped working. I've had this happen before in a fork of Stygian End, and if I was using an elytra upon freezing I'd be stuck in a flying state whether on or off the ground, until I'd stop moving and look up or down, which would turn me into a limbless ghost that couldn't move on the X or Z axis anymore

Last time this had happened in that fork of Stygian, the way I fixed it was by disabling Natura clouds and getting rid of any mob spawns in those two biomes that weren't from the mod itself.

This was all I could document before the world stopped working

[zenith rampart]

Bonus screenshots from last year regarding that Stygian fork

[stark crow]

Well...
I have no idea how to catch that bug with corrupted worldgen near the caves...

I tried disabling all block blacement functions

and it still was the same

Meaning that something actually corrupted the way the original terrain generates

but actually, when the chunk generates, it firstly generates that original terrain

an only then does the decoration pass

Meaning that the decoration can't really break the current chunk's original terrain

But probably it somehow breaks the generation of another chunks

Since if I fully disable the decoration, it will no longer break

so probably something in the way decorations get calculated breaks the way the terrain for the next chunk is created...

While the terrain creation seems to be very stable

and independant from any other things

So I ltterally have no ideas how to fix that bug

(I've been working on it for three days already)

Maybe we'll leave that one for now...

[hard sonnet]

Could you temporarily disable the cave gen for now until a fix is found? Can nether api generate cave biomes. If you have a set date for the CF release it can probably be disabled for future updates perhaps

[stark crow]

Well, I could disable it, but I think if I should do that
The caves look amazing and the terraingen bug is not that significant...

[stark crow]

I really hope to release before Christmas

since in the week before Christmas I need to do 1.21.1 NeoForge CNPC

[stark crow]

fixed

[stark crow]

Now the jellyshrooms are not solid blocks

[stark crow]

Now lucernia leaves don't glow anymore

And it adds even more charm to the biome!

Now when only the vines glow it looks absolutely amazing!

Fixed the shrooms

[hard sonnet]

ah wait, the lucerina leaves are from the lantern woods biome

[hard sonnet]

this was the biome i was referring to about the glowing

i dont think the blossoming spires glowed in the first place

These leaves are the tenanea leaves

[stark crow]

Ah...

those things also don't glow anymore

:C

[stark crow]

Maybe it is too significant

😭

[hard sonnet]

oh crap that does not look good...

[stark crow]

Yeah...

[stark crow]

Fixed

[stark crow]

By the way, in the next update there will be a bit more lang files

There will be a brazilian one

and also italian, polish and russian

If I'm not mistaken

Ah, and also Korean

the chinese one didn't want to convert, unfortunately

Also hopefully fixed floating herbs above the lakes

[stark crow]

Lantern woods

[hard sonnet]

tbh i like it more that way, like yousaid earlier, gives more charm to it

[hard sonnet]

well some people can create PRs for the chinese lang

Will performance improvements involving light checks be done before CF release, or would you make postpone it for future updates. If you are postponing it, you could recommend lighting engines such as Alfheim to be installed alongside as an optional dependency

[stark crow]

Actually, I thought not to touch the lighting problems

Since that's the work for Alfheim, yeah

I don't think I should reinvent Alfheim

and make more conflicts with everything around

[stark crow]

By the way

[hard sonnet]

With alfheim, it should overhaul completely how the light is checked right?

[stark crow]

I noticed that those bugs occur mostly in the plain-ish biomes (ice starfields, dry shrublands, crystal_mountains (for now crystal plains))

[hard sonnet]

I was gonna say that earlier actually.

[stark crow]

Ah, probably

[hard sonnet]

I've noticed some biomes have these specific problems

I took a few screenshots earlier

ice starfield for example

[stark crow]

Though the caves are similar in all BetterEnd biomes, actually

[hard sonnet]

perhaps disable cave gen in those specific biomes????? I don't know honestly

[stark crow]

Yeah, right now I want to try that

It seems to be working!
Great success!

[stark crow]

that'll hopefully be fixed in the next update (for all mobs)

[stark crow]

Fixed

[stark crow]

Glowing grassland!

[stark crow]

Fixed

though there are still very few vines

[hard sonnet]

Awesome, it's coming along really nicely

[summer wren]

Question. Do the surface blocks of this biome have their own ID? Thinking I might yoink the whole thing and use it for an Aether biome lol

[stark crow]

Unforuntately, it seems that it's a problem of all biomes, but it's just not that noticeable in some of the biomes

[stark crow]

It's this block

[stark crow]

But still

You might stumble uppon such things...

[stark crow]

And here are the textures

[stark crow]

Also, @summer wren, attached the config to the mod, so that you could change the weights/disable some biomes

there is now a
netherapi_weight
field for every biome

By default it's 80

but you can set it to 0 to disable the biome

https://filetransfer.io/data-package/bYm6lnpO#link

And here is a link to another test version

And it might even be the one we publish to CurseForge

[slender plume]

I guess if you’re going public soon I should start prepping compat with it

Do you have the source public, or will that be when it’s public on cf?

Also, thank you for that mixin

[hard sonnet]

lowkey crystal plains looks really good as well, could be a seperate biome in the future lol

hydrothermal vent could be fixed before CF release, doesnt have to be functional at all or disabled from world gen

[hard sonnet]

could config options be added to also enable/disable fog in biomes

[fading sky]

I've figured out which block in the Blossomy Spires biome has the glitched texture. It's the Silk Moth Nest.

[fading sky]

Should I wait for Goodbird to ad JEI data before testing crafting recipes? I don't know if they've been added to the mod yet. Maybe I'm jumping too far ahead.

[hard sonnet]

The CF release is only for biomes

That will be for future updates

Oh damn it i cant use optifine with better end ugh

[fading sky]

I've confirmed this bug and I've saved my crash report.

While Goodbird does further work on tweaking world generation, I've been testing how the blocks and items from the Better End mod display in the creative mode inventory. I've noticed the following issues:

1. The following blocks are missing inventory textures and appear to be duplicates of other blocks that already have inventory textures:
   Menger Sponge
   Flavolite Brick Wall
   Violecite Brick Wall
   Sulfuric Rock Bricks Wall
   Virid Jadestone Brick Wall
   Azure Jadestone Brick Wall
   Sandy Jadestone Brick Wall

2. The following blocks are both missing inventory textures and have broken block names displayed with the format "tile.betterendforge.block.name":
   a. Lit End Stone Furnace (tile.betterendforge.end_stone_furnace_lit.name) This shouldn't display in creative mode.
   b. Silver Thallasium Bulb Lantern (tile.betterendforge.thallasium_bulb_lantern_silver.name)
   c. Silver Terminite Bulb Lantern (tile.betterenforge.terminite_bulb_lantern_silver.name)
   d. Ender Ore (tile.betterendforge.terminite_ore.name)
   e. Silver Petal Block (tile.betterendforge.hydralux_petal_block_silver.name)
   f. Silver Iron Bulb Lantern (tile.betterendforge.iron_bulb_lantern_silver.name)
   g. Ender Ore (tile.betterendforge.terminite_ore.name)

3. All Better End blocks and items display the category (in blue text) as "itemGroup.betterendforge" in creative instead of "Better End" or "Better End Forge".

4. The following blocks and items seem to only have broken names in creative (usually with the format, tile.betterendforge.block.name) but no missing textures:
   a. The End for Dummies (displays a long string of magenta text at the bottom)
   b. Dragon Bone Block (tile.betterendforge.dragon_bone_block.name)
   c. Aeternium Block (tile.betterendforge.aeternium_block.name)
   d. Ender Block (tile.betterendforge.ender_block.name)
   e. Amber Block (tile.betterendforge.amber_block.name)
   f. Hydralux Petal Block (tile.betterendforge.hydralux_petal_block.name)
   g. Neon Cactus Block (tile.betterendforge.neon_cactus_block.name)
   h. Azure Jadestone Pressure Plate (tile.betterendforge.azure_jadestone_pressure_plate.name)
   i. Sandy Jadestone Pressure Plate (tile.betterendforge.sandy_jadestone_pressure_plate.name)
   j. Umbralith Pressure Plate (tile.betterendforge.umbralith_pressure_plate.name)
   k. Thallasium Block (tile.betterendforge.thallasium_block.name)
   l. Terminite Block (tile.betterendforge.terminite_block.name)
   m. Charcoal Block (tile.betterendforge.charcoal_block.name)

5. There are four music discs with broken names that display with the following format:
   Music Disc
   itemGroup.betterendforge
   item.record.title.desc
   They should display with the following format instead:
   Music Disc
   Better End (Forge)
   Author - Title
   The discs have the following names:
   Strange and Alien
   Grasping at Stars
   Endseeker
   Eo Dracona

One block called "Sandy Jadestone Slab" seems to have the side texture being the wrong color. I'm not sure what could be causing this.

Obviously, the inventory display data will have to be a lower priority than world generation at the moment. I'm just doing what beta testing I can until world generation has been cleaned up.

[fading sky]

I might decide to go ahead and start testing blocks for breakability, bugs, missing textures and response to different tools over the next few days. I won't be testing crafting recipes until it's finally time for Goodbird to start working on them.

[slender plume]

HA NOW I CAN POST THIS CAUSE BETTER END IS LITERALLY ON 1.12

[stark crow]

:3

[stark crow]

Thanks for all those lists, I'll add all the names, textures and etc

[stark crow]

Well, I thought that JEI will automatically get the information about all the recipes

You need to add JEI compat only for some new recipe types

like endstone smelter recipes or infusion recipes

[stark crow]

Yeah, I'll fix that

[stark crow]

Great idea

[stark crow]

What? Why?

[stark crow]

I thought to publish the source right before the CF release
But maybe I'll do that sooner, so that you could start preparing the compat

[fading sky]

I've gotta share this to the memes channel if you haven't already.

As you've already said yourself, the goal of the End Expansion was to add RPG mechanics and bosses to the End Dimension and not necessarily to add scenery.

[fading sky]

Do you get a specific error message when loading?

[hard sonnet]

Its the lighting i suspecr

Ill have a closer look lter but it messes up shadows and lighting + performance issues

I cant use it with alfheim at the same time its either one or the other

It's weird because i suspect optifine somehow overhauled alfheims lighting engine when around better end biomes

Its never the case whenever i combine them or unless im too stupid to realize that optifine isnt even compatible with alfheim in the first place

But im pretty sure they are fine together

[hard sonnet]

NVM, I had some other mods installed that might've made the biomes look like this, I'm not sure if its just optifine anymore, I'll look more into it

not so sure why the end islands are so dark as well

[hard sonnet]

I think its optifine causing lighting + performance issues but i think another mod is causing the brightness to somehow decrease like this

This was tested alongside alfheim

[stark crow]

Are those the broken chunks from caves?...

[hard sonnet]

Oh yes, I somehow didn't notice them in the background crap

[stark crow]

They never looked like that for me

they were like 2-3 blocks higher then the ground

But not 100 blocks higher

I think I might disable the caves...

[hard sonnet]

I'll go back and get another screenshot

I haven't noticed this issue in the foggy mushroomlands, umbra valley, mushroom jungle though

[stark crow]

I already disabled the caves in Umbra Valley

[hard sonnet]

ahh

[stark crow]

since I noticed that myself there

but I haven't touched mushroom biomes

[hard sonnet]

well there is this though

[stark crow]

That's it, yeah

it's a perfetly cut chunk

if you open f3, you'll see that

0 0 to 15 15

[hard sonnet]

yeah ive noticed as well

[stark crow]

Disabled the caves for now...

😭

Maybe one day the mod will find a hero, who could fix that issue

I might just do one last attempt

I can't believe it...

It worked?...

It seems to be working perfectly now!!!

the problem was just in the
.parallel() thing in the code

It seems that it made a parallel thread

and messed up all the generation

[stark crow]

All the lang and texture problems were fixed!

[stark crow]

except this, but that's not a major issue, I think

[hard sonnet]

holy, this is big nice catch

[stark crow]

That looks amazing!

[stark crow]

I'll pack another version right now

And let's hope that it'll be fine

https://filetransfer.io/data-package/HupS5Tm3#link

[hard sonnet]

Yep, I don't see anymore of those weird cave gen

[summer wren]

Wait, so you fixed the cut chunks and also managed to keep caves?

[stark crow]

Yep!

[summer wren]

awesome

[wet plank]

Wow! This is huge! Big W! 🙌

I'm so hyped for this. You've done an amazing job, @stark crow 🙇‍♂️

[hard sonnet]

What happened here?

i remember neon cacti being able to break from its base, was that removed? I remember when it was implemented, some started breaking out of nowhere. Was it disabled because of that?

mushroom stems missing caps still, also missing a few amaranite underneath the bigger mushroom

some rotation issues

some minor issues that can be fixed if needed, but other than that, I think the current state of the mod is good for a CF release if you agree so yourself, great job working on it goodbird and thanks to catullus16 for commissioning this mod

For the future updates, I would suggest adding functional blocks, structures, finishing off biomes, compat with other mods such as fluidloggedapi and optimizing light checks without the need of using alfheim or any other lighting engines (I still think that it would be beneficial, especially since Optifine is a hassle tbh). And possibly backporting some fabric features if its not too much of a hassle

[nimble idol]

the fluidlogged api compat should probably come after that mod's update, just in case it has any major changes to how its set up

from what i understand it should just be major performance optimizations but you never know

[stark crow]

Yeah, exactly

[stark crow]

I tried to fix those, but for some reason it didn't work

[stark crow]

Interesting

[stark crow]

I have no idea

Since it should have built the whole structure

[stark crow]

At first I implemented the breaking mechanics as it was for chorus fruit

But chorus has some interesting rules

like if a chorus block has a branch on the side, it can't also have a block on top

else it'll immediatelly collapse

And for neon cacti that's not true

So if the cactus was using the chorus rule, it would have already collapsed

[slender plume]

yeah, its a rpg focus but its themes are more aimed at a darker isolated feel of the end. the quote of "you aren't needed here, nobody needs saving. You are just doing this out of pure selfishness" is kind of the main theme

[slender plume]

I'm thinking for compat so far I'll have to add a biomes whitelist to every structure, as long as checks for the ground material as of currently the structures are set to make sure that it spawns on end stone and only end stone or ash

still find it crazy you've backported better end this quick

you good bird are quite literally

[stark crow]

:3

[stark crow]

Actually, it took way too longer, then I expected, because I did a lot of other stuff in that period

I fixed ~50 bugs in CNPC 1.20.1

I ported CNPCs to Fabric

And then to 1.20.1, 1.20.2, 1.20.4, 1.20.6, 1.21.1 Fabric

So yeah...

It took most of the time, not BetterEnd

If I would focus on BetterEnd, it would probably took around a month

1.5-2 weeks for the source stabilisation

And the rest of the time for fixing

And right now I'm already porting CNPC to 1.21.1 NeoForge

Since I promised to do that in December

So right now I need to write a description for the mod

And other publishment things

[fading sky]

Should ore generation be lumped together with world terrain generation? I'm not sure what the spawn rates for the new ores added by the Better End mod are in the version for 1.16. I or someone else could ask someone from the original development team to confirm the ore generation rates and Y-levels once the time comes to begin adding ore generation.

[stark crow]

I'll just port the ore generation, when the time comes

The code contains all the information about the rates and chances

[fading sky]

That helps a lot.

[fading sky]

I want to confirm if anyone else is getting a crash error from an unknown mod after testing this build of the mod. Otherwise, I'll test to see what could be causing the crash.

[hard sonnet]

What is the crash report saying?

[spiral ingot]

wow

niceeeeeee

[split musk]

Hey is your avaritia 1.1x port is still active?

[spiral ingot]

hmmm, yes

[split musk]

I do have a suggestion if you accept it is based on config option

[spiral ingot]

oh ?

[split musk]

Can you gave the option to modify the base damage of the infinity sword for how much value we like

[stark crow]

Here is the source of the ported mod, finally published
https://github.com/Goodbird-git/BetterEndForge-1.12.2

Also, the first release is comming!

[hard sonnet]

is the source up to date with teh latest test build

or is it updated further

ah nvm i assume now its updated further

uhhh...

[slender plume]

sweet! thank you!

[slender plume]

fucking stellar job goodbird! Honestly crazy looking at it all ingame. really giving me ideas to use azurelib to make a small creature feature addon for betterend

[stark crow]

What just happened???

And what is that version?

[hard sonnet]

I downloaded the source from github

and built it and ran it

somehow it just ended up like that

[slender plume]

also, I did notice a lot of vines don't update if you break inbetween them. this could be from the github version but yes I also encountered missing textures via that one biome as well

if you want, you can use our vine rules for the vines from end expansion but prefererrebly use the ones from the nether backport (there more polished) besides climbing

[stark crow]

Ah

Yeah, sources might not work very well with the resources

If you want to make them work with recourses, you need

to find the resources folder in the build folder

and copy all of that

here

into classes folder

and it'll work

[hard sonnet]

ah, thank you

[stark crow]

p.s. @hard sonnet, I mentioned you in the mod description :3

[hard sonnet]

Thank you for the mention haha

[stark crow]

Slowly but surely getting a ton of projects :3

though VajraPro is not fully mine

Soon there will be two more

CNPC-Modern-GUI

And also CNPC-Graal-Scripting

[summer wren]

@sage vortex

[fading sky]

I'm not sure. The game ran just fine after restarting Minecraft and loading the world again.

[spiral ingot]

wow

nice

excellent

[modest lintel]

get how do i prove it'd

[stark crow]

It finally happened!!
https://legacy.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/betterendforge-backport

@fading sky

[hard sonnet]

I've shared this on the BetterEnd server and this is what Paulevs had to say...

I'm guessing some of these issues on the 1.16.5 port could be fixed on the 1.12.2 version but he did say to also look on the official 1.16.5 build

I am a bit taken aback from that reaction i cant lie

[stark crow]

Well

We'll try to make the fixes if necessary

[hard sonnet]

I'll actually try and see if it works on servers, as he said there are reports on crashes

[stark crow]

But I still think our BetterEnd is gorgeous :3

Even if it's just 60% of the original one

[hard sonnet]

As he said 60%, is it possible to port some missing features from the 1.16.5 fabric ver to the 1.12.2 port?

Would that be a bit much?

[summer wren]

He doesn't have the context of the thousands of messages and the exhaustive testing that has been done here. It's like he's assuming that no work was done on this port, while in reality it was brought to the point it is now. So while I don't blame him for the reaction, he hasn't seen anything yet.

[hard sonnet]

Yeah I agree with that

I've just realized there are 2600 comments in this thread lol

[stark crow]

Yep

[stark crow]

Well, actually, many devs don't like the when people port their mods or make some kind of branches

So if it is not necessary, I prefer not to even tell the original creator about that

The people who really need the port/branch - they'll get it

[hard sonnet]

It's MIT no?

[stark crow]

Yeah

So no need to ask the creator for the permission to port

[summer wren]

I agree. Even when MIT, better not to stir the waters. Lest you say something wrong and kickstart unnecessary drama

[hard sonnet]

Hm, would it be necessary to ask the creator even if it's MIT for example

[summer wren]

If a mod is MIT on Github and CF? not at all. It's like they were saying "port it, don't ask me"

That's what licenses are for

[stark crow]

Geckolib authors told me that they frequently get the questions about geckolib MCreator plugin, AzureLib and other things related to geckolib
And they can't answer these questions because it's not their mods/plugins

And some people still think that if it has "Geckolib" inside of the name or description - they should ask Gecko about it

[stark crow]

And that's probably why some devs don't want those things to exist...

[stark crow]

So paulevs probably also got a ton of messages like "Why XXX does not work on BetterEndForge"

While he is not responsible for the bugs in BetterEndForge

[hard sonnet]

Yeah, that makes sense, right underneath the post I made, someone said this

So pretty accurate lol

[stark crow]

I should probably find an unused server from the hundred I have joined and join BetterEnd discord server

[modest lintel]

afaik the Azurelib Blockbench plugin is owned/maintained by AzureDoomMC

[summer wren]

Well, if you wanted to do Paulev a favor, put a big disclaimer on your backport page saying something like "PLEASE DO NOT REDIRECT ANY ISSUES TO THE ORIGINAL PROJECT. OPEN NEW ISSUES ON THIS MOD PAGE/GITHUB ONLY" or similar

[stark crow]

Actually

I read github issues once per several months...

If I remember that they do exist...

So I should probably make myself a discord server

Where I'll address all the issues from all of the mods I have

But yeah, that's a great idea

By the way, I wonder if I can attach a link to this very discord chat

[hard sonnet]

Hm, for future updates, would you want to use your server for updates/testing or would you prefer to stay here

[stark crow]

I think I prefer to stay here, at least for now

[nimble idol]

biggest font possible + red color

there, of course, will still be people who dont read that and report issues in the wrong github, but it should stop at least 80-90% of people

[stark crow]

Yep

[hybrid fractal]

Congrats on the first release goodbird!

I know I don't type here much, but the speed at which you progressed was astounding

[split musk]

That's great you have done a really good job on this mod i liked every bit of it Merry Christmas and Happy New year

Congrats on this first release

[hardy iron]

That’s a nice Christmas gift

[west marsh]

Now thats a Christmas miracle, this is something I've been quietly keeping an eye on. Even if its 60% or imperfect its still amazing to see it shape up Goodbird, phenomenal work!

[olive crane]

Quite the Christmas Miracle, indeed!

[fading sky]

I spent about six hours this evening and another three hours another day doing beta testing of the first public release of the Better End backport. I mainly focused on block placement and plant behavior. I have about four pages of bugs that I need to organize. Hopefully I can have them ready by the end of the week.

I also want to confirm if leaf decay has been disabled for trees added by the Better End backport or if leaf decay has just not been implemented yet. Many of the trees added by the Better End mod (especially dragon trees) are larger than even vanilla jungle trees so I don't know what lag would result from leaf decay from trees this size. I'd solve more important bugs first before figuring out how to implement leaf decay without causing severe game lag.

[stark crow]

I just disabled the leaf decay because the leaves were decaying even before the trunk was chopped down

And I even think that it might be better

[fading sky]

Here's my bug report for release version 1.0.9 of the backport. Let me know if you need the file converted into rtf format. I'm not sure if Microsoft Word can read odt files. I will be posting as many images as I can find to show some of the bugs.

Missing textures

Slabs cannot stack

Stalactites Cannot stack

Dragon Tree Sapling not limited to Shadow Grass.

I just realised that I forgot to test the new wood types to make sure they burn when lit with a flint and steel.

[stark crow]

Thanks for the testing! I'll try to fix all those bugs soon!

[dense plank]

would recommend adding that thing that makes it so that when there's a missing dependency the game will tell you so then stop loading

[stark crow]

Ah, yeah, I should do that for NetherAPI

But it can't be done for Mixin system

since there are a lot of them

[hard sonnet]

Can you not stack stalictites on top of each other? You might want to check that again because you can.

[stark crow]

and I don't think it's a great idea to make it dependant on some specific one

[hard sonnet]

Isnt this release solely meant to be world gen? Is there any point of reporting functional block bugs considering you can't really obtain these blocks in survival at the moment anyways

I guess it's good for future reference

Oh btw goodbird I actually checked out the 1.16.5 fabric ver and there is actually quite a difference with the forge ver, is it okay to look through the 1.16 fabric code as well for fixes, or is it easier staying on forge and fixing it?

I think the beethoven92 build has ported assets / models but they arent correctly implemented from what I gathered

[stark crow]

Well, release meant that I fixed all the things I knew to be buggy

The things that are not meant to be working were just removed

Or were marked as WIP (endstone smelter and respawn obelisk)

So right now I need all the bug reports

[stark crow]

That's interesting

You might take a look at it, but I'm not sure if I'm ready to reimplement a lot of things

But if there are some minor changes - we can definetely do them

[fading sky]

Interesting. I'll check again, but I honestly couldn't stack stalactites when I tried. Do you have any screenshots?

[hard sonnet]

is this what you meant by stacking? I just made this in my modpack - you just have to be pretty precise when placing them on top of each other because they have small hitboxes

betterendforge:amber_land,#916c48,#916c48
betterendforge:blossoming_spires,#8390e6,#8390e6
betterendforge:chorus_forest,#491e49,#491e49
betterendforge:crystal_mountains,#2d9dbd,#2d9dbd
betterendforge:dragon_graveyards,#cb3ba7,#cb3ba7
betterendforge:dry_shrubland,#ed7a42,#ed7a42
betterendforge:dust_wastelands,#c0b483,#c0b483
betterendforge:foggy_mushroomland,#77e3fa,#77e3fa
betterendforge:glowing_grasslands,#5cfae6,#5cfae6
betterendforge:ice_starfield,#9fd6fc,#9fd6fc
betterendforge:lantern_woods,#abeae2,#abeae2
betterendforge:megalake,#60a3ff,#60a3ff
betterendforge:megalake_grove,#60a3ff,#60a3ff
betterendforge:sulphur_springs,#9ab88d,#9ab88d
betterendforge:neon_oasis,#6aeed7,#6aeed7
betterendforge:painted_mountains,#c0b483,#c0b483
betterendforge:shadow_forest,#2a2d50,#2a2d50
betterendforge:umbra_valley,#456886,#456886
betterendforge:umbrella_jungle,#77c6fd,#77c6fd if you have aqua acrobatics installed, these are the exact colours of the better end water from later versions, just put this in your config (2 or 3 of them are made up as they don't have custom water colours). Some colours are already in this release though

[modest lintel]

@stark crow lol

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/5b08ed332450993276cc3a23873b0906f1ddbca4c678b94652eda8f368959fb8

[fading sky]

I did some more play-testing for a few hours and I was finally able to get the stalactite/stalagmite blocks to stack properly.

I also noticed a major bug while playing. It seems that attempting to place a vanilla tool on a vanilla anvil in the end dimension with the Better End backport installed causes the game to crash. I will attempt to run the game again without other mods loaded to confirm that the culprit is actually the Better End backport.

There were also a few minor bugs that I caught this time that I didn't catch during my last bug report. Most of them can wait until later:

• Both Thallasium and Terminite chandeliers do not emit light (not just the terminite chandeliers)
• Neither Flammalix nor Inflexia spread in response to bone meal
• Flammalix does not yet spawn in Umbra Valleys. I'm assuming it just hasn't been added yet.
• Wood types added by the better end backport do not yet burn in response to fire. I'd wait to implement this until it comes time to add furnace smelting recipes.

[fading sky]

By the way, what exactly are client-side vectors? Are they something that can easily be fixed to solve the multiplayer issues? I don't think the backport's ready for multiplayer testing yet though. I'm just asking for when it comes time to test for multiplayer compatibility.

[stark crow]

Weird

But yeah, sometimes antiviruses can do false positives...

All in all, there is an open source code for the mod

So one can easily check it

[stark crow]

By the way, did you manage to test the mod an a server?

[hard sonnet]

Ah i forgot, will do later

[hard sonnet]

https://mclo.gs/eRjy65Z this is when attempting to launch the server with the mod instaleld

[hard sonnet]

@stark crow just to make sure you backported betterend from this repository right? https://github.com/Beethoven92/BetterEndForge

[hard sonnet]

chorus plants have revamped models/flower tops, this is one issue the 1.16.5 forge version lacked + chorus plants should spawn in the chorus forest in the 1.12.2 version

I think in the repository, the assets are there but not implemented properly

end slimes in chorus forests should have these little sprouts coming from their head, nothing major

like mentioned earlier, some mushroom stems have no caps and also you're not meant to walk though these mushroom stems

https://mclo.gs/l4MmONb in the foggymushroomland, placing this blue vine lantern on the ground will crash your game

these vine end tips are supposed to glow

this plant here is meant to have a light level of 11, not 14. (this was a 1.16.5 forge issue, depends if you want to change it or not)

these blue vine sprouts in the glowing grasslands should not be passable, they are solid

I believe the ice starfield doesn't actually generate any terrain. Could be a netherapi or 1.12.2 thing but the biome only consists of the stars

in lanternwoods, the filalux end tips are only meant to emit light. The vines themselves are not meant to emit any light. This was also a 1.16.5 forge issue

[stark crow]

Yep

[stark crow]

Probably just a mixin registered on the wrong side

Will fix that in the next update

And also will try to test the server compat myself

Soon I'll try to fix all the bugs

[hard sonnet]

I think that's a relief because I think that repo is someoneelsewastaken
and some assets are actually imported correctly e.g the obsidian pillars in the end island. This ver was somewhat maintained

megalake biome should have this massive body of water, i assume NYI

same applies to megalake grove

Way too many polypores - the 1.16.5 forge version has this issue too

hydraulic vent structures / underwater cave biomes in the the sulphur springs are meant to have a casing of brimstone around it to prevent water from leaking

there should be longer and more umbrella jungle vines reaching down

these tiny mushrooms should not generate on mushroom caps + rotation issues mentioned earlier

Also, these tiny mushroom plants spawn too frequently, ( i believe this is a forge 1.16 issue, fabric doesn't have nearly as many

Though cave biomes shouldn't generate in the umbra valley formations, I think they look nice

So far that's bugs I've seen in biomes, I wont comment on the painted mountains or the crystal mountains as those aren NYI. Performance tanks at the lantern woods and blossoming spires biomes especially, even with Alfheim installed. I'll also look at items next

[stark crow]

Those are structures, actually

And even on 1.16.5 they have a lot of generation issues

Like cut borders

And things like that

[hard sonnet]

What about the crystal mountains, does that have any structures?

[stark crow]

Those rainbow crystals themselves are structures

That's why in our 1.12.2 version there are no crystals in that biome

[hard sonnet]

I had that crash as well. It doesn't just happen in the end dimension, it's just the anvil in generalhttps://mclo.gs/9ESsCbZ

[fading sky]

I mentioned this in the bug report I made a few days ago.

[fading sky]

I can confirm this same bug. I noticed it when testing the mod earlier this week.

[fading sky]

Not as critical as the game crashing when certain blocks are currently placed down, but it's definitely something I'd like to see fixed in future updates.

[hard sonnet]

placing these blocks (That are meant to be placed to the side of blocks) on a block facing upwards will cause your game to crash, this is a reoccuring bug since the testing days when I first found out about it. There are more blocks, it's just mainly those that are stuck onto trees such as moss. These blocks regardless shouldn't be facing up

@fading sky could you see whether placing these foliage facing up would crash your game?

[fading sky]

I'm assuming you mean placing the blocks on the underside of another block. I'll go ahead and test this soon.

[hard sonnet]

Sorry I meant it like placing the foliage on top of another block like that

Underside could actually be an issue too actually

[hollow wagon]

it crashes when enchanting in anvil https://mclo.gs/cdF29XQ

[stark crow]

Yeah, I'll fix that in the next update

[hard sonnet]

when leaf parts are placed on leaves, shadows form which should not happen. - i think its because they are still "full blocks" because i can even place torches on top of leaf parts

[stark crow]

Fixed the colored lanterns

[stark crow]

Also fixed the chains

[stark crow]

Right now going through the bug list
It seems that Neon Cacti and Jellyshrooms are supposed to be placed on different blocks (on 1.16.5 it works like that)

[stark crow]

Fixed server compatibility and anvil crashes

[stark crow]

Hopefully descreased the amount of polyropes in the shadow forest three times

[stark crow]

tried to increase the vine amount

Though there are still not that many of them

but there are a lot of them on the bottom of the island

[stark crow]

@fading sky, what is raw bolus mushroom?

Didn't find it in creative

What about that

You can't strip bark (it's like a log without a center)

You can strip only logs (a full log, with a center inside, and that center is what's left after stripping)

[stark crow]

And what should they drop?

[fading sky]

I'd expect they at least drop Blue Vine Seeds when broken. I'll do some comparison with later versions of the Better End mod to confirm exactly what Blue Vines are supposed to drop when broken in survival mode.

[fading sky]

That's a typo. I meant Raw Bolux Mushroom.

[stark crow]

I haven't find that thing in creative

[fading sky]

I'd ask @cobalt beacon about this since Coconut palm wood added by the Oceanic Expanse mod has Coconut Wood bark blocks that can be stripped if I'm not mistaken.

[stark crow]

Interesting

[fading sky]

I'll send a screen shot if I can find it.

[stark crow]

Alright, thanks!

[cobalt beacon]

Oh that was done in a really basic manner, just within the onBlockActivated method of the Palm Wood's class, really basic swaps it out. I wrote this code a long time ago, it has some really obvious places that can be improved

https://github.com/SirSquidly/Oceanic-Expanse/blob/9ee76d41a039ede7c261ced1f3b71e67659bba1d/src/main/java/com/sirsquidly/oe/blocks/BlockPalmLog.java#L45-L69

[hard sonnet]

I think food items were added in later versions I believe

same goes with that pie you were on about earlier @fading sky

need to probably confirm

[fading sky]

I've booted up the backport of Better end and I've confirmed that Raw Bolux Mushroom and Cooked Bolux Mushroom have not yet been added in the backport. Otherwise, I would have an in-game screenshot right now.

[fading sky]

I've installed an instance of the Better End mod for 1.19.2 and I've confirmed that Blue Vines are supposed to drop Blue Vine Seeds and Blue Vine Lanterns when they are broken in survival mode. Both items already exist in the current state of the black port, but the Blue Vine lanterns will have to be fixed so that they don't crash the game when they are placed down.

[hard sonnet]

I think you should mainly focus on the 1.16.5 version

The future versions have slight differences to them

Ah wait

[hard sonnet]

The forge 1.16.5 doesnt even have the bolux mushrooms

that is fabric exclusive

Most likely due to the "poor port" stated by Paulevs

The fabric 1.16.5 ver has bolux mushroom foods

Something tells me there will be serious differences / issues between functional blocks, recipes in betterend forge

in the future

I'm fine with the current state though tbh

[fiery fox]

mod looks ABSOLUTELY stunning on oled + hdr1000

immense contrast ! especially with this one, each red part is like a micro 10000 lumen flashlights held at my eyes. beautiful...

[stark crow]

Absolutely amazing!

So it seems that mod even works with Optifine and shaders?

[hard sonnet]

Yes, apologies on my part. Optifine does work with better end, I had dynamic lights mod (not optifine) with alfheim and it messed up performance

One issue when installing optifine is the leaf parts that I said earlier, shadows form on the leaf parts of the tenanea and lucernia leaves

Without optifine, there is a slight shadow, but with optifine installed it is way more pronounced and looks dodgy

[stark crow]

Yeah, I see

[hard sonnet]

you can place torches on top of leaf parts for example. I think some of the weird shadow is caused by them being technically "blocks" and lighting around them just bugs out a bit

[sage vortex]

tbh i think the leaves here could have some compat with betterfoliage/rlfoliage

would make for more consistency overall

[stark crow]

I might try and make a config property for it

So that you could disable the fur

and instead use something else

[stark crow]

Right now got back to BetterEnd

@fading sky, Hydralux will not work properly for now, since it's an underwater plant
And the shrooms does not respond to bonemeal on 1.16.5 too

[hard sonnet]

What is the current scope of the next update?

[stark crow]

A ton of bugfixes

Probably fixing all the bugs people reported

Fixing the bugs Catullus16 reported

[stark crow]

Fixing the bugs you reported

Fixing the github issues bugs

Fixing the bugs rayquazafallout reported

[hard sonnet]

Ah I see, would test builds be released here like usual before CF release, or would you make a CF release first?

[stark crow]

I'll probably publish it here first

and then the next day (if everything goes well) I'll make a CF release

By the way

[stark crow]

What do you think about that bug report?

Maybe you have some ideas what's wrong with the axes?

[summer wren]

I'm pretty sure it means that the speed should be the damage and the damage the speed. As I don't think the axe should do 4 damage at 12 speed 🤣

Anything above 3 speed is crazy

[stark crow]

Ah

Yeah, probably

[hard sonnet]

Yeah axes should not have these stats

14 attack speed lol

I'll look and see if any weapons stats are muddled up right now

[stark crow]

I'm just a person who always played on 1.7.10

[hard sonnet]

good ol times

[stark crow]

Yeah

[hard sonnet]

im trying to compare weapon stats from later versions and this hoe for some reason does -0.5 damage lol

It's not present on the 1.12.2 ver so dw

Ok it seems to be the axes that has this issue

Also, is knockback resistance in 1.12.2?

I think it was introduced in 1.16 when netherite came out

right?

[nimble idol]

Its always existed, it was just... Wonky, from what i understand at least

There are multiple mods which backport it i believe

[hard sonnet]

i see, in that case, all the aeternium armor set should have +2 knockback resistance

terminite set should have +0.5 knockback resistance

terminite smith hammer shouldn't have knockback resistance

actually, all the smith hammers have knockback resistance

It's meant to give + attack knockback attribute instead

Again don't even know if that is also in 1.12.2 minecraft

[nimble idol]

Im not actually 100% sure if this is the case but unseen's nether backport has netherite armor, which should also have knockback resistance

If there are any issues with implementing it for betterend, perhaps you could look into how its done there

[stark crow]

Finally fixed the shrooms

and the smaller ones too

[hard sonnet]

ground plants/foliage should break when the base block is broken (applies to all ground plants)

[hard sonnet]

Also, would enabling/disabling biome fog config options come in future updates??

[stark crow]

Yeah, that will be fixed in the next version

[stark crow]

Doors

Silk moth nest

Axe

[olive crane]

@stark crow Will there be cross-mod compat for Tinker's Construct out-of-the-box for Better End?

[nimble idol]

I don't believe betterend ever had it

Because its a fabric mod and tinkers is a forge mod

[olive crane]

Hence why I'm asking...

[nimble idol]

I imagine that would be out of the scope of the backport and compat would have to be added by an addon, but it would be nice to have

[olive crane]

I agree it would be nice to have.

I could just use Pewter and engineer my own materials, but when there's either an addon or out of the box compat:

https://tenor.com/view/epic-handshake-predator-explosion-murphs33-gif-22372901

[stark crow]

If you describe how it should work, I could add it in the future updates

[olive crane]

What type of description are you looking for? Is it the stats?

[stark crow]

I know what TC is, and I'd like to know what type of compat would you like to see

Just so that Thallasium, Aeternium and Terminite could be used as TC materials?

[olive crane]

Yep

[stark crow]

Then I'd like to know the stats, yeah

[nimble idol]

Probably also traits, not custom ones but defaults

Id be happy to give ideas for those

[olive crane]

If you want to help with the traits and stats, I'd be okay with that.

[nimble idol]

Mhm, i just gotta find the time...

Either way, id say this is rather low on the priority list since its a form of new content which isnt in the original mod, even if its quite easy to implement

Still, ill try to find some time in the next week

[olive crane]

Are OreDictionary entries already in the mod, or did the original not have Tags?

[stark crow]

And what OreDictionaries would you like to see in the mod?

For wood it's not using the OreDict since else we would loose the custom door, slab, workbench, chest, etc types

[olive crane]

That's strange... how do mods like Quark and Natura maintain their unique recipes like that?

They have OreDictionary stuff - and yet I can make the wood-unique stuff.

@lilac yarrow Any insights into this?

[stark crow]

Interesting

I might take a look at that

[hardy iron]

You add the ItemStacks to the oreDictionary, but make the crafts require ItemStacks. Am I getting this right?

[stark crow]

I just wonder if the crafts won't clash with each other

Like MC can see that using 2*2 of ore dict wood you can do a vanilla workbench, and using 2*2 of tenanea wood you can make a tenanea workbench

and tenanea wood is also ore dict wood

would it prefer the exact recipe to the ore dict one?

[hardy iron]

Fair point

[fading sky]

Does this mean it's already time to add JEI and JER support?

[stark crow]

I suppose it already has some JEI support

All workbench recipes automatically show in JEI

Only some custom ones (endstone smelter and infusion) need special JEI support

[stark crow]

Chorus

[stark crow]

Just found out that there is no terminite ore

and that it's an alloy

Ender ore will drop ender shards

But thallasium ore is just thallasium

So I don't think it should also drop ender shards

by the way, even 1.16.5 has a lot of structure gen problem

Yeah, definetely

And I also saw lakes with cut ends and other things like that

Interesting

1.16.5 version can do multilayered islands!

[stark crow]

Never saw such thing

Haven't found it on 1.16.5 neither for BetterEnd grass/moss types, nor for the vanilla grass and dirt

So that might be left for the future

[olive crane]

Do you have any estimations on what the conversion rate for TConstruct Tools/Armour would be?

Added the mod into my modpack right now, so I'm doing some examination right now.

[olive crane]

There is Terminite Ore though? [Currently in the backport]

[olive crane]

Ore Dictionary Suggestions:
ingotAeternium for <betterendforge:aeternium_ingot>
blockAeternium for <betterendforge:aeternium_block>

oreThallasium for <betterendforge:thallasium_ore>
nuggetThallasium for <betterendforge:thallasium_nugget>
ingotThallasium for <betterendforge:thallasium_ingot>
blockThallasium for <betterendforge:thallasium_block>

nuggetTerminite for <betterendforge:terminite_nugget>
ingotTerminite for <betterendforge:terminite_ingot>
blockTerminite for <betterendforge:terminite_block>
If you keep the ore:
oreTerminite for <betterendforge:terminite_ore>

bookshelf and bookshelfGlowshroom for <betterendforge:mossy_glowshroom_bookshelf>
bookshelf and bookshelfEndLotus for <betterendforge:end_lotus_bookshelf>
bookshelf and bookshelfLacugrove for <betterendforge:lacugrove_bookshelf>
bookshelf and bookshelfPythadendron for <betterendforge:pythadendron_bookshelf>
bookshelf and bookshelfDragonTree for <betterendforge:dragon_tree_bookshelf>
bookshelf and bookshelfTenanea for <betterendforge:tenanea_bookshelf>
bookshelf and bookshelfHelixTree for <betterendforge:helix_tree_bookshelf>
bookshelf and bookshelfUmbrellaTree for <betterendforge:umbrella_tree_bookshelf>
bookshelf and bookshelfJellyshroom for <betterendforge:jellyshroom_bookshelf>
bookshelf and bookshelfLucernia for <betterendforge:lucernia_bookshelf>

I'd recommend the TConstruct Materials have the ids:

betterend_terminite
betterend_aeternium
betterend_thallasium

To avoid crashes with any obscure mods that may already be using Terminite, Aeternium, or Thallasium to register with TConstruct.

Thallasium

Armour (Construct's Armory):
Core:
Defense: 13
Durability: 5

Plates:
Modifier: 0.5
Durability: 10
Toughness: 0

Trim:
Durability: 3

Tools (Tinker's Construct):
Head:
Durability: 200
Attack: 5
Mining Level: 2 (Iron)
Mining Speed: 5

Bow:
Drawspeed: 1.20
Range Multiplier: 2.0
Bonus Damage: 5.0

Handle:
Durability: 37
Modifier: 1.0

Extra:
Durability: 37

Terminite

Armour (Construct's Armory):
Core:
Defense: 18
Durability: 45

Plates:
Modifier: 1.0
Durability: 13
Toughness: 1

Trim:
Durability: 10

Tools (Tinker's Construct):
Head:
Durability: 600
Attack: 7
Mining Level: 3 (Diamond)
Mining Speed: 7

Bow:
Drawspeed: 0.6
Range Multiplier: 0.7
Bonus Damage: 7.0

Handle:
Durability: 150
Modifier: 1.25

Extra:
Durability: 100

Aeternium

Armour (Construct's Armory):
Core:
Defense: 24
Durability: 90

Plates:
Modifier: 1.5
Durability: 15
Toughness: 2

Trim:
Durability: 20

Tools (Tinker's Construct):
Head:
Durability: 1300
Attack: 9
Mining Level: 5 (Duranite)
Mining Speed: 9

Bow:
Drawspeed: 1.0
Range Multiplier: 1.0
Bonus Damage: 9.0

Handle:
Durability: 112
Modifier: 1.5

Extra:
Durability: 112

[olive crane]

@nimble idol How's that look for Tool/Armour stats?

[nimble idol]

i think so, give me a sec

27 def for terminite seems a bit high, although i dont have the mod to compare

[olive crane]

27 Defense is pretty normal when the upper limit is like 50.

I think each point of TCon defense is 0.5 defense or something like that.

I could be wrong.

But compared to some of the other stuff that you can get in the Overworld in my modpack, this is in a median.

[nimble idol]

cobalt has i think 15 though

manyllyn has 19 or so

[olive crane]

I could check, but I gotta set some configurations first...

Where's the configuration file?

I sorta forgot if/where the configuration files are for BetterEnd.

[nimble idol]

i believe they used to not be included with the mod install, but then they were added, i think

so youd probably need to install the latest version from curseforge

but if youve already done that, then uhh, idk

[olive crane]

What is the file name?

[nimble idol]

yeah ok there isnt one

anyways, i watched a quick showcase of the 1.20.1 version, which could include changes, idk, but it described thallasium as a bit weaker than iron, terminite as slightly weaker than diamond (cobalt i guess?) but with some armor toughness, and thallasium should be better than manuyllyn by quite a bit, and should have even more armor toughness

huh... hold on

nevermind cobalt just sucks for armor i guess

its the same as iron

[nimble idol]

its 1:1

manyllyun has 20 def and a modifier of 1 and a full set gives you exactly full armor

so id say terminite should have 18 def

or 19 and 0.9 modifier

aeternium might be a bit low at 22

oh wait 2x multiplier

thats uhh quite a lot

[olive crane]

I brought that down from 29...
[The defense]

[nimble idol]

hmm, well, if manyllyun is diamond level, then we have a level above that (netherite) and then another above that one, so maybe 25ish is fine

and the multiplier should go down because 2x is ridiculous

[olive crane]

I've seen many tool handles and armor plates do far worse.

[nimble idol]

the highest in base tinkers is ardite at 1.4

[olive crane]

But how far down?

So 1.5?

[nimble idol]

yeah that seems fine

[olive crane]

Is 24 Defense high enough?

[nimble idol]

yeah

i think so

the highest you can get in base tinkers is ardite plating and manyullyn core which is 28 def

[olive crane]

From what I have seen, the mining levels go as such:
Stone = 0
Copper = 1
Iron = 2
Diamond = 3
Cobalt = 4
Duranite = 5
Valyrium = 6
Vibranium = 7
Tartarite = 8

[nimble idol]

i meant level as in stats

[olive crane]

Alright

[nimble idol]

as for mining levels, unless youre using some tweaks mod, i dont believe copper is a mining level

[olive crane]

I don't set the names. I'm telling you what Waila is showing me.

There's a mining level scale of 1 to 8

[nimble idol]

yeah but with what mods

[olive crane]

A lot.

But still, there's Mining Levels 0 to 8, no matter their names, and I matched the pickaxe levels to what the actual tools can mine.

I tested it in-game.

[nimble idol]

yeah but again, thats not the case in vanilla, there is no copper mining level, it just doesnt exist

it goes from stone to iron

[olive crane]

Okay, but in TConstruct there's a Harvest Level called "Copper"

[nimble idol]

there isnt

[olive crane]

Want me to get a screenshot?

[nimble idol]

copper doesnt even exist in tinkers

[olive crane]

Bruh.

[nimble idol]

the orange is magma slime

[olive crane]

Copper existed in Tinkers for a very long time, and it still has code in it's compat to support it.

They stopped adding it themselves because everyone and their mother had a copper ore

[nimble idol]

but how does that change anything?

we're making compat for betterend

or rather, tinkers with better end

[olive crane]

Yeah. I don't get why you're arguing with me over a mining level that isn't in use by my stat write up, lol.

None of the 3 materials I listed are Copper tier.

[nimble idol]

i wasnt arguing about it, just saying it doesnt exist

[olive crane]

And I'm saying it does exist.

Not sure what Mining Level 2 shows up for you, though. 🤷‍♂️

[nimble idol]

i can go and use tool progression and add poop mining level if i wanted to

and add extra levels until 999

[olive crane]

I'm not using a Tweaks or Tool Progression mod to modify stuff, this is just what I'm running into out-of-the-box

[nimble idol]

well i have no idea then, but something is definitely changing it

because for me its just stone, iron, diamond, obsidian, cobalt

[olive crane]

I don't seem to have an Obsidian mining level, so mystery solved.

[nimble idol]

huh

[olive crane]

Obsidian shows up as Cobalt Mining Level

[nimble idol]

weird

yeah i guess thats it then

anyways, i gotta go for now, but i think we're pretty much done

[olive crane]

The stats look good?

[nimble idol]

i should look at the tool ones but the armor is fine

and we need traits

[olive crane]

Welp, lmk when you look over the tool stats.

I have a clipboard of all default TConstruct and Construct's Armory traits on-hand from another project, so we can look over the list and decide the best picks from there.

[stark crow]

Yeah, so it will be removed in the next update

[stark crow]

Ah, thanks!

I'll try to implement that soon

[hard sonnet]

Is that the forge or fabric ver?

[hard sonnet]

oh well it doesn't really matter that much considering both versions have this issue

That's probably why the betterend dev team decided to revamp it for later versions?

Could it be fixed in the 1.12 version?

right clicking shovels on end moss, should turn them into paths to their respective blocks

More inflexia grass should be spawning on pallidium blocks in the umbra valley biome. Also, there should be flammalix (orange-red plants) spawning on the pallidium blocks - this was also a forge 1.16.5 issue

Flammalix are also meant to have a light level of 12 which isn't present on the 1.12.2 ver

[stark crow]

Forge

[stark crow]

I see

[stark crow]

Maybe in the next updates we'll think about that

By the way

Are there anybody, who knows how to work with photoshop/any image editing programm?

I recieved a complaint that the mossy obsidian block uses the new obsidian texture

Could anybody make an old-styled mossy obsidian texture?