Backport of the Better End Mod for Forge 1.12.2

[olive crane]

Launched successfully, and got to do ALOT of exploring!

Very very cool to see The End in a brand new light!

[stark crow]

:3

[hard sonnet]

the thing i've noticed was that their spawnrate is lowered, but i dont think they're limited to a chunk so they start indefinitely spawning and after some time, this happens

Same thing applies with the moths im pretty sure

also i really like these connected textures they look really nice

[summer wren]

Are the flies using the "ambient" spawn pool? I've seen mods having issues with that in the past.

[stark crow]

Yeah, they are in the ambient section

[summer wren]

Perhaps the cap for ambient mobs in the End could be different, or something similar

And I don't know if there are other ambient mobs around, but if they are the only ones and are monopolizing on that cap, then moving to other chunks, I could see that exponentially getting out of hand.

[stark crow]

Yeah, that's probably the case

There are also cubzoas (jellyfish) and normal fishies

But since there are no lakes yet...

There are no fishies at all

So yeah, dragonflies are the only ones to spawn in this category

I'll take a look at it

Thanks!

[hard sonnet]

leaf parts in the dry shrubland facing the wrong way

[slender plume]

omg the weight of those

I think all of end expansions stuff by default is 1-3

[stark crow]

Ah

Will reduce them then

[stark crow]

They just got installed not only on leaves but on plants and grass

[hard sonnet]

Is this port of betterend going to be a 1 to 1 port, or are you going to add some things that you envision into the mod as well?

[stark crow]

Well, it'll probably be like 90% port

Not all things can be implemented on 1.12.2

Like there is no waterlogging

No netherite

No water flows

And etc

[hard sonnet]

hmmm, compat could be added with fluidloggedapi and nether backports in the future?

fluidloggedapi adds waterlogging

[stark crow]

Ah, interesting

I'll take a look at that

[hard sonnet]

well direct compat doesn't have to be added, you can easily add it yourself in the configs

[vital portal]

Fluidlogged API is notably performance intensive in its current state.

[hard sonnet]

but what functions does the waterlogging need for betterend?

[hard sonnet]

oh i didn't know of this

[vital portal]

It's still getting github commits with significant performance improvements but I don't know how long that'll be.

[nimble idol]

There is a massive update coming near the end of the year or start of next year that should hopefully address that

[hard sonnet]

what performance issues were reported?

[stark crow]

There are sulfur crystals that desperately need that

And for now, I got a little bit distracted

made an addon to integrate CNPC and Cobblemon on 1.20.1

[hard sonnet]

1.20.1 seems like the next 1.12.2, 1.7.10 in terms of golden ages of modding

imo

[stark crow]

the next is 1.16.5

and after that 1.20.1, yeah

[nimble idol]

Hmm, perhaps just leave that out for the very end of the backport when fluidlogged's update should hopefully be out

[nimble idol]

Id argue 1.18.2 was also pretty popular

[hard sonnet]

also, why 1.20.1 specifically, isnt there a 1.20.4?

[vital portal]

maybe. the version is still relatively new and people said that about pretty much every version prior. 1.16, 1.18, 1.19 have been pretty much abandoned now. People are already moving to 1.21.

[nimble idol]

But its definitely the smallest of the 5 listed

[vital portal]

so, I take that with half a microgram of salt.

[hard sonnet]

well i'm probably overestimating too much i see a lot of forums hyping 1.20 and comment sections as well

and i looked at a lot of mods for 1.20 and there is a lot more variety

[nimble idol]

Personally i dont actually think itll stick around, people will move to 1.21 most likely

Then 1.22

[vital portal]

1.20 is closer than 1.18/1.19 but.. realistically it won't happen. people can say what they want.

is 1.20.1 a good version? yes

[nimble idol]

I don't think unified versions other than 1.7.10 and 1.12.2 really exist or will exist in the future

[vital portal]

is it going to last like 1.12 has and exist after 1.21 gets a stable footing?

unlikely

[hard sonnet]

hm you're probably right

[vital portal]

seen it happen too many times to think anything different will happen

[nimble idol]

1.16 was supposedly the next big one, and it got abandoned as soon as 1.18 came out, whicb also got abandoned when 1.20 came out

[vital portal]

1.18 didn't survive 1.19, let alone 1.20

[nimble idol]

Its because newer versions's mods are actually really high quality and do get ported to older versions

[hard sonnet]

theres the forge and fabric issue as well, but i heard theres a mod that makes it compatible between the two, though for some mods

[nimble idol]

There is really no reason to stop at some specific version

[hard sonnet]

i dont like the divide that much tbh

[vital portal]

Forge / NeoForge has pretty much 'won' that war to be blunt

After Lex got kicked off the forge team that pretty much removed most people's reasons to stay off it

There's some outliers who stick to fabric but.. most mods are on forge

The compat layer does exist but it's about as stable as you might expect

[nimble idol]

Sinytra connector i believe it was called

[vital portal]

yes

[hard sonnet]

better end is only on fabric as well

[nimble idol]

Its still quite new but it has potential

[hard sonnet]

well updated to the latest version

betterend forge is on 1.6

1.16

[vital portal]

Tbh not many people actually care about BetterEnd ime

[hard sonnet]

yeah i've seen more end mods for later versions

they set the right mood more, while betterend is more "alive" version of the end, instead of a desolate wasteland

[vital portal]

It's pretty but once the novelty wears off it's just not the right direction for the End to most people who care

[hard sonnet]

the only thing i want in 1.12.2 is a mod like nullscape

[vital portal]

yeah. too much flora.

Though I realize we're actually talking in the BetterEnd backport forum

[hard sonnet]

nah i still love better end

looks really nice

i think an end dimension full of life can work

just like mojang did with the nether update

[vital portal]

Yeah. No disrespect to the mod lmao. It's got its merits. It is pretty. My pack has the End disabled but I'll still unironically use the mod and add its biomes to the Overworld.

Or they could even be neat Aether/Skyland biomes, rather than End.

I'ma be honest I don't like the 1.16 Nether biomes a lot either but I'm picky

[hard sonnet]

how come?

[vital portal]

I'ma just quote myself rather than write it out again;

My take on hell is that it should be, well, hellish. I don't have a problem with plants, as long as they are sufficiently twisted to fit the nether -
Jungles with eyes, flowers that want to eat you, everything is poisonous, and mushrooms fit the theme of decay. And there's plenty of plant/garden themes in many mythological afterlifes, especially in Greek mythology, so that's nothing new.
And I think they should be intermixed with other stuff too, like giant plains of volcanic waste. I'd treat lush biomes as small pockets of 'life' and false security amidst the otherwise lifeless dimension.

[hard sonnet]

hm some of the stuff you said relates in a way to better nether 1.12, like the nether jungle and the lush parts i think are in bop?

but i like the volanic idea

but i think that is too ambitious to mojang tbh lol

[vital portal]

Mostly the Warped / Crimson biomes are what I don't like, I don't think the plants feel particularly evil or sinister or whatever. They feel downright fluffy to me.

and I don't like the living pigmen.

[hard sonnet]

piglins?

[vital portal]

yeah.

but, that's just me.

[hard sonnet]

I like them solely because of their ai

like trading, not attacking you ewhen you wear gold

they feel alive to me in a way

[vital portal]

fair. the AI could be used for another mob. piglins would literally be fine to me if they were identical but undead. :p

[hard sonnet]

and they get pissed when you open chests in bastion

Yeah for a hell dimension, you wonder how there are living things

[split musk]

Other mods to exist just add it people just set the recepies later who mean add it for the sake of modification

[hard sonnet]

Regarding the waterlogging blocks such as the sulfur crystal as said earlier, perhaps by default it can be disabled in the configs, but if it were to be enabled, fluidlogged api has to be enabled for it to work

or again, a compat can be added

[hollow wagon]

wait it didn't spawn with end expansion biomes together in one world

[stark crow]

So what happened? There were only end expansion biomes?

[hollow wagon]

will test later

[hard sonnet]

ive sent a screenshot a while ago with the first test of betterend, i found end expansion biomes within betterend but there are weird borders

[olive crane]

I didn't have any luck finding End Expansion biomes.

[When I did my test.]

[hard sonnet]

Try up the weights thats what i did

[hard sonnet]

got shaders and betterend 1.12.2 to work together, looks absolutely stunning

[hybrid fractal]

first picture has a nauseating amount of FOV, but stunning indeed

[hard sonnet]

i play on quake pro lol

• wanted to get every detail in the book

[stark crow]

Absolutely amazing!

[hard sonnet]

I was wondering, is the betterend backport going to be exclusive to the 1.16 version or the later versions e.g 1.20, because I've played the two and noticed differences

[stark crow]

Well, I though of only doing 1.16.5->1.12.2

[stark crow]

And what are the differences?

[hard sonnet]

The better end for 1.20 has end villages, while im pretty sure the 1.16 version doesn't. I think there were other differences I saw but I would have to look more it into it. For example with the end villages, it would be difficult to replicate because there are copper blocks, barrels from the later versions

So perhaps a twist could be made for the 1.12.2 port but i dont know whether it's necessary

And of course the minor ones such as smithing templates from later versions but those can be left out

[hard sonnet]

There are subtle differences in biomes as well, for example in better end 1.16.5 forge, the crystal mountains I saw, the crystal moss only generates at the outlines of the islands of which the mountains generate at

while in 1.20.1 the crystal moss generates around the crystal mountains. Additionally, there is something called a "moss cover" which lays ontop of the end stone like leaf piles, which isn't present in the 1.16 version.

it could possibly be an issue because paulevs did say that the 1.16.5 forge version is unstable. Overall, it's up to you whether you would like to include these features from the fabric version

[hard sonnet]

Also, the obsidian pillars for the end dragon fight are actually in the fabric version, the forge version uses the default pillars I'm sure of. I tried to get them to work in the 1.16 version, but no such was found

[stark crow]

Interesting

[stark crow]

I ported it from 1.16.5 Forge and there are custom pillars

[hard sonnet]

Strange, was it beethoven92's version or someoneelsewastaken's version?

I found a forked 1.16 version belonging to someone else and it had the custom pillars, but I couldn't find one on beethoven92's ver

[split musk]

If the difference is only end villages why not just build only that i don't think that would make any difference of there is only an additional structure difference

[zenith rampart]

Villagers living in The End?!

[hard sonnet]

there's also biome differences if you look up

[split musk]

Yeah cause stonks lol

[hard sonnet]

the villages for some reason dont have anyone inhabiting them, it's just there for some reason

[zenith rampart]

Oh.

[split musk]

There will be vanilla villages also that biome differences

[split musk]

So empty villages so nobody living so why wasn't that loot or there is something living there

[hard sonnet]

its not vanilla villages

they made their own villages

like structures

[hard sonnet]

there's loot in them yeah

[split musk]

Hope there will be something exclusive to get otherwise i will just loot the structure blocks instead

[hard sonnet]

They just made custom lootables for the barrels you find, you can find smithing templates there

that's what i mainly found

along with other better end miscallenous

but obviously no smithign templates

[zenith rampart]

Hear me out now...

Farlanders
😛

[hard sonnet]

oh i heard of that mod

[nimble idol]

Im still depressed about how broken that mod actually is on 1.12

[hard sonnet]

end villages if you want to see them

i never knew it was on 1.12

i only thought it was on like the later versions

[nimble idol]

No its actually a very old mod

[split musk]

Is there any Backport for something table templates or just add something like that

[hard sonnet]

not that i know of no

[nimble idol]

Its definitely at least 10 years old now

[hard sonnet]

the villages also have copper blocks and other 1.12+ items there

i wouldn't suggest a 1:1 port of the structures would be feasible

[zenith rampart]

New theory alert!

The Farlanders once lived in The End, but evacuated to the Overworld when the Fell Knights invaded.

[hard sonnet]

unless if compat is made

[hard sonnet]

I like the sound of that

[split musk]

Good structure but something should inhabit the is we include farlanders in this and make them spawn into these villages that would be great

[nimble idol]

Farlanders is arr and would need some mod to patch all its bugs before you could really consider that

[split musk]

Yeah deeper depths do have these blocks so it is possible now but if someone doesn't want to install deeper depths they still need to include the blocks which results in the clash or can be disabled in the config

[nimble idol]

But yeah in theory it would be cool

[hard sonnet]

if the villages are to be ported, they have to be tweaked slightly, luckily most of the blocks used are from the betterend mod itself

but its up to goodbird if they want to port it or not

soul campfire + weathered coppered blocks

tbh i think porting some of the fabric stuff can be considered later on

[zenith rampart]

I agree, the 1.16.5 version already has a boatload of content to port over to 1.12.2. Let Goodbird process the mod at their own pace.

[stark crow]

I used beethoven92's version

[slender plume]

tbh i think i'd be against end villages

I feel the closest we got to an end village currently is the lamented islands || except its just that every living thing there hates you or has some horrific past ||

I am trying to add more with config options with the better end becoming a thing, such as query for biomes for certain structures to be in since we'll have more more than 4 biomes in the end

variants for structures depending on biome might be a different thing, as another goal of end expansion is unifying and enticing other people to use current backport mods. as of my recent compat (indev), End Expansion has candles/and other blocks from deeper depths spawning in structures with deeper depths installed

[nimble idol]

With better end + end expansion + stygian end i think we might end up with more than 20 end biomes

[slender plume]

i think most people would remove stygian end if better end is installed

[nimble idol]

Perhaps, but the option us there if they want it

[slender plume]

that's true

[nimble idol]

Nether api fixes quite a lot of its issues

[slender plume]

that as well, as I was originally going to make end expansion have deep compat with stygian such as dungeon variants for the biomes

but with better end idk anymore, as thats a lot of biomes and structure files to cover

as even with better end and stygian end in a modpack, if people know what end expansion is there just gonna bum rush to those biomes cause they know they'll get dungeons/bosses/better armor and such. so I'm trying to make it more workable with more biomes in, just indecisive how I'ma do that

[nimble idol]

Its kind of crazy to think that after 7 entire years, the end and nether are finally about equal in content on modded 1.12

Infact the end probably has an edge with better end coming out and the incredible work youve done end expansion

Well, i say "coming out", we might reach the 8 year mark by then actually 😅

[slender plume]

yeah, I was pretty set and stoned on having the ash wastelands as the final update, but it didn't feel right with 2 main course bossses, as per typical modded minecraft, the 3 bosses per dimension lmao

[nimble idol]

It is a lot of work

[slender plume]

the port requests have been getting more frequent so thats a good sign (bring them players back to 1.12)

[nimble idol]

Honestly with all the backports happening i really dont see much of a reason to not go back even for the people who think 1.12 is "too old"

[slender plume]

yeah i think its getting more to kind of what mods do you like the most

are you a heavy thaumcraft player, or do you absoluetely love alexs caves

which is nice to see honestly, as yes I have played future versions a lot more frequently and i like the set of mods on x version. however, i still miss seeing this in my world or seeing that. at the end of the day it just makes you wish there was some multi version way of playing all of them together but the biggest difference as of currently between new version "vanilla" and old is world height, ancient cities, and datapacks ig

even 1.7.10 has most of its backports in on that version and its own unique mods to it

[summer wren]

Not to be a contrarian, but I think I'm more likely to keep Stygian end and not use Better End for RotN. Or if I use better end, I will probably disable all but one biome.

[hard sonnet]

Is that because it doesn't fit the end narrative of being a dead-desolate wasteland?

[summer wren]

Kinda, yes. After all there's no lack of content in RotN that makes us need a lush and thriving End to explore. That role is fulfilled by other dimensions and biomes.
I don't want an empty End, but I also don't want straight up forests and grass everywhere (for RotN only!).

So I just hope people don't forget about other mods just because End Expansion and Better End exist

[nimble idol]

Yeah... Unfortunately ill also have to make some adjustments

Some to better end and some to my lore as well probably

[nimble idol]

Still, incredibly happy to see it ported

[short harness]

This. I'm not sure i'll use better end because it doesn't really match my vision of the end. If i end up using it, large parts will be disabled

But it's great to have it as an option!

[olive crane]

I always saw The End as sort of a "broken world", kind of like the Outlands from World of Warcraft.

So I'm really happy to see the port since it allows me to sort of "complete the look and feel" of The End being basically a broken alien world.

[nimble idol]

Currently my end is severely overrun by thaumcraft taint so the colorful trees and plants heavily clash with that, however i could probably use that to show just how destructive the corruption is to the environment or something

@turbid rain hey mr loreman please don't kill me over this, just dm me your complex thoughts on the idea as i fear for the safety of this channel

[turbid rain]

finally he says something consistent xdd

anyways i need to go back to the bioweapons lab

[fading sky]

I hadn't seen the changelog for the better end versions for 1.20.1 so I was unaware of the addition of end villages. I already knew about the addition of raw end metals distinct from ore blocks as of the versions for 1.17, but the end villages are new for me.

[wet plank]

I just wanted to pop in and say that I've been following this thread almost everyday. It's always a huge boost checking out the latest updates.

I also wanted to give a huge thanks to @stark crow for this incredible backport. And, @slender plume for the incredible work on End Expansion. It's heartwarming seeing the End finally getting some love in 1.12.2. ❤️

[split musk]

It is bro mods are becoming way much good in this version i hope we will see more modpack with the latest mods

[amber lodge]

The Coalition Grows

[olive crane]

Indeed.

[hollow wagon]

hoping for first release on curseforge

[split musk]

Same here

[stark crow]

Ah, for now, actually, I switched to CNPC-Cobblemon-Addon on 1.20.1 once again

(promised too many things to different people, so need to do many things at once)

[hard sonnet]

Take your time with it

[fading sky]

For the Underground biomes, I'm wondering if I should ask around if anyone is available to work on a cave structure API for 1.12.2. This may also make it easier for @slender plume to spawn cave dungeons and structures from the End Expansion mod inside Better End biomes.

A few people have also been wanting to see a backport of cave biomes from 1.18+ so this may also be helpful to minimize compatibility issues with Quark underground biomes.

[stark crow]

We could sacrifice some compatibility and implement the end cave in the way they are made in 1.16.5

Injecting mixins into the world generator

[hard sonnet]

doesn't nether api support cave biomes?

Oh nvm, this is about cave dungeons/structures didnt read the msg above

[vital portal]

I'm working on a template for overworld cave biomes using a fork of Cave Generator, JED, and Dimensional Control. Started last night, won't be able to finish it until next week.
It uses a dummy 'proxy' dimension to pull the biome provider from for the cave biomes, so it doesn't break any compatibility and can even be interfaced by other mods like CraftTweaker without any changes needed.
Cave Generator has a pretty robust structure generator already.

One hangup is that there isn't an API for other mods to hook into and add their own presets, they'd have to be a separate optional download bar significant changes that I'm definitely not going to be the one to make.

[tiny surge]

Ngl that sounds interesting. Pseudo 3d biomes

[vital portal]

That's exactly what it is lol.

In some ways it's better as you can stack as many as you want in the same 'spot'. My modpack uses.. 8 or 9 proxy dimensions

though I guess a caveat is that it's 1 biome per chunk.

for performance reasons.

[tiny surge]

What concerns me is that theres a fair chance that incompatible biomes end up being paired together. eg. very warm biome up top, cold in middle, hot on bottom or something like that

[vital portal]

By default, yes.
It's totally possible to 'sync' the surface and underground biomes. But it's complicated.
Generate both the surface and cave biomes using Dimensional Control with the same seeds for heat zones, or generate using exactly the same script as surface biomes up to the point the biomes are generated and then deviate for the cave biomes.

I do that for my own pack, but it's not something I'd expect someone else to.

[tiny surge]

Theyre random seeds though.

Im not specifying a given seed

[vital portal]

I'm not talking about world seeds

Every genlayer in Dimensional Control has a seed

a modifier to the world seed

just use the same seeds in the relevant genlayers

[stark crow]

I'm getting back to BetterEnd port!

[olive crane]

Sweet!

Still really excited to see it

[stark crow]

Now going to work on all those ambient things

Like fog, music, particles

[stark crow]

Right now going to inject new constants into MusicType enum...

Not sure how NetherAPI author thought to do that

[stark crow]

Ugh

1000000 moths

I definetely need to do something with those little flying creatures

But at least the cactus now does not cut the fabric of reality with its needles

Hmmm

Not sure if sulphur springs terrain should generate that way

No waterlogging on 1.12.2, sadly

[olive crane]

There's Fluidlogged API, but...

[stark crow]

But it's very buggy?

[pliant drum]

it isn't buggy

it's just not fps friendly and jbredwards doesn't release the new version where he fixed everything including the fps problems

[stark crow]

I see

[stark crow]

Added fog

And hopefully custom music and ambient sounds

(not sure about that though)

[stark crow]

So what's left

Structures

And Caves

And that's all?

Ah

I completely forgot about the particles!

[hard sonnet]

Are some blocks functioning yet as well?

[hard sonnet]

Regarding the sulfur springs, I think the 1.12 version's a bit too uniform, whereas in the 1.16 version, it's more random with how the blocks generate. And obviously in the 1.16 version there are hotsprings there

same with the umbra valley to an extent

[split musk]

Bruh ametur number we need a million more of these

[stark crow]

:3

[stark crow]

Interesting

[stark crow]

Well, yeah, I need to fix the functioning blocks too

Since for now it's just for the worldgen

[pliant drum]

answer to do that thing is octaves (running the noise function more than once)

[stark crow]

It is running more than once, actually

Probably just something went wrong with the arguments

I'll debug that

[toxic portal]

I heard he's going to continue working on it in January

[stark crow]

Great!

[stark crow]

By the way

Do you know any mods that add nonvanilla particles on 1.12.2? (Except Botania)

[pliant drum]

https://github.com/CaliforniaDemise/Backportium/blob/main/src/main/java/surreal/backportium/client/particle/ParticleConduit.java
https://github.com/CaliforniaDemise/Backportium/blob/main/src/main/java/surreal/backportium/client/ClientHandler.java#L328
https://github.com/CaliforniaDemise/Backportium/blob/main/src/main/java/surreal/backportium/tile/v1_13/TileConduit.java#L274

[stark crow]

Ah, thanks!

[pliant drum]

no problem

[slender plume]

@cobalt beacon knows how to add FluidLogged API, from what he told me its just a json

[cobalt beacon]

https://github.com/SirSquidly/Oceanic-Expanse/blob/master/src/main/resources/assets/oe/fluidlogged_api/whitelist.json

You just make a file called whitelist.json, place it in your assets folder, within a folder called fluidlogged_api.

The whitelist.json you just put in the ids of blocks you want supported. That's literally it.

I believe you can also do more specific fluidlogged behavior if you want? I haven't experimented with the file much.

[pliant drum]

I implement IFluidLoggable and use Optional.Interface annotation

[cobalt beacon]

You only gotta do that if you need any of the logic in your code

[pliant drum]

I did that to one interface which I already use to give the fluidlogging illusion. Works like a charm.

[stark crow]

First attempt to generate a cave

And inside

Looks almost nice

[stark crow]

Great success!

[stark crow]

Now working perfectly fine, without the cut cubes

with the stalactites

[stark crow]

So caves are hopefully done

So now just structures

and particles

[split musk]

That's a huge W

[stark crow]

By the way, in BetterEnd 1.16.5 there are some village-like structures like mansions, houses, broken end ships, etc

But they are made as .nbt files

And those .nbt files contain a lot of broken states

Like blockstates with waterlogged and with missing blocks like chains

and other things like that

so they also need to be fixed

And then there will be some nice structures

[pliant drum]

i hope nbt files have versions like resource packs

[stark crow]

It probably has some kind of version

Though on 1.12.2 it seems to be ignoring this thing

[pliant drum]

if its a versioning thing i might look into it

also is it a plugin to show what it has or is it a readable file

[stark crow]

I think it's a plugin for minecraft mod devs

[pliant drum]

i see

[stark crow]

since the file itself is in GZip format

I think at some point I'll just write a mixin that ignores all the missing blocks and tells about them

so that I could easily fix all those files

(since there are around 20-30 of them)

[pliant drum]

try not to hardcode that fix

[pliant drum]

so i can transform it to load that stuffs

using my mod

[stark crow]

Alright, I'll try to make some kind of generalized solution

[pliant drum]

the joke here is forge should've handled it

[stark crow]

Ah, forge should have done many things...

Many things it's not doing...

[pliant drum]

cant even read blockstate jsons properly...

[hard sonnet]

Huh, im really curious to see what the houses/mansions look like, ive only seen broken end ships and ruined portals as a matter of fact in the 1.16 ver

[stark crow]

Each time I tested 1.16.5 BetterEnd, I stumbled upon a house in the blossoming spires biome

[hard sonnet]

Do you mind sending a screenshot, I still can't seem find to find it?

ah just as i say i can't find one, i find one. is that the house?

[stark crow]

Yep

[quiet forge]

I am available for This project

[short harness]

But... we already have someone working on it tho?

[hard sonnet]

do they mean assisting perhaps?

[quiet forge]

Ok

[stark crow]

@fading sky, this project is still marked as open, could you please mark it as "being worked on"?

[amber lodge]

Andrex was a scammer ignore them

[stark crow]

Ah, alright

[stark crow]

But still, I think it's reasonable to mark the project as being worked on, isn't it?

[amber lodge]

Totally, it lets people know

[fading sky]

I have edited the tags accordingly. Thank you for your work you put into it and I'm sorry I couldn't be more helpful.

[stark crow]

I hope you will be able to help with testing soon!

[fading sky]

Is the current alpha build on github? I'll set up an installation this week.

[stark crow]

I hope to finish the structures soon, and then publish a build somewhere here

And if testing goes well, I'll publish the first curseforge release

[stark crow]

Well

Don't know if there should be that many stacked ponds

Actually, I need to go through all the biomes

and check for all the features that should spawn there

Like I noticed that in amberlands there were no tiny orange bushes

And now I added them

and they contain a block with a broken blockstate

so they should be fixed

[hard sonnet]

Looks amazing, comig along rlly nicely

[stark crow]

And what can you say about the sulphur springs biome? Should it contain that many stacked pools?

[hard sonnet]

I think it's slightly bit too many pools. Im pretty sure the water in the biome is meant to have a greenish yellow - blue shade as well

[stark crow]

Interesting

I also thought about it

I should double check the water color field

Does not seem like it

[hard sonnet]

from the sulphur springs biome there should be these little structure things as well

[stark crow]

here is the line for that

and that colour is

[hard sonnet]

oh strange, I'll look more into it

[stark crow]

Yeah, suplhur springs need a lot more work

It has quite a large feature list

and I've seen just 1-2 of those

[hard sonnet]

this is what i was talking about

[stark crow]

Interesting...

Right now we have more of this

[hard sonnet]

Yeah, that is strange

i assume there are no plants in the water as well due to water logging

[stark crow]

I should probably also load the real 1.16.5 client

[hard sonnet]

unless you wanna do fluidloggedapi compat

[stark crow]

Maybe one day

and actually, the plants probably will be there, but just replacing the water fully

[hard sonnet]

god damn it 1.12 : (

[stark crow]

:c

right now I'm looking at the code of suplhur springs biome

And I suppose those stacked pools are called geysers

I also found one sulphuric cave before

But we don't have the lakes

and the vents

and probably the water plants

[hard sonnet]

im pretty sure thee are meant to be vents inside of the pools as well and it generates bubbles / smoke coming from the pools itself

and again not possible i assume

[stark crow]

Smoke should be possible at some point

[stark crow]

Ah

[hard sonnet]

wouldnt the vents itself have to be water logged as well?

[stark crow]

That looks gorgeous!

[stark crow]

Well, they should be, yeah

but for now they can be full block like

[hard sonnet]

yeah i agree

[stark crow]

but yeah, it'll definetely not look that great

[hard sonnet]

functionality > appearance imo

[stark crow]

Well, I though that BetterEnd at all is more for appearance

Like all the worldgen mods

[hard sonnet]

the vents do serve a purpose they just jet stream you up when you go in it

[stark crow]

Ah

Didn't know that

[hard sonnet]

its like the bubble columns in the later verisons yeah

[stark crow]

That could be done, probably

and the water columns could probably be reimplemented too

Like have you ever played Thaumcraft mod?

[hard sonnet]

i played a bit of the 1.7.10 when i was like 10 lol

does that have any water columns?

[stark crow]

There is a block called arcane levitator

And it's basically like the water columns

if you stand on it, you are slowly ascending

if you press shift - you are slowly descending

And it's even on 1.7.10

So yeah

[hard sonnet]

oh i see, would that be easy to implement?

[stark crow]

We could do that probably

But not in this update

I hope to publish a release with all the worldgen till Christmas

[hard sonnet]

best christmas present

[stark crow]

<3

And after that I'll probably work on the functional stuff

[hard sonnet]

as of now do biomes have the foliage and plants implemented?

[stark crow]

Like all those furnaces, chests and other things

[hard sonnet]

the aeternium might be a bit tricky though

[stark crow]

Mostly

Just some tiny things don't generate

[stark crow]

I should go and check the biomes using such lists

Like in the morning I already checked Amber Lands

and found out that glowing pillars don't summon

Those are the tiny orange bushes

[hard sonnet]

is it the light orange blocks with the leaves around it

oh are you saying that they grow into the plants?

[stark crow]

Well, those things are meant to be plants

And they were missing in the amber lands before

and now they do exist

[hard sonnet]

oh i see now

[stark crow]

here they are now

[hard sonnet]

looks pretty yeah

[stark crow]

still some issues

Ugh

[hard sonnet]

oooh

[stark crow]

No lamp inside and half of the stem is missing

[hard sonnet]

how does the fog in the biome look in this version? i see some fog there

[stark crow]

and that's the real biome

[stark crow]

Yeah, there is fog now

But on 1.12.2 you can only control the color, not the density

[hard sonnet]

Is that a netherapi thing or is just 1.12?

[stark crow]

so on 1.12.2 it just looks like yellowish sky

[stark crow]

Well, it's an option from vanilla minecraft, but it's locked in regular forge

and NetherAPI unlocks it for the modders

We are missing these tall orange things

Those are lanceleaf

[summer wren]

I'm late, but the water color is caused by the actual base water texture/opacity difference. If you use mods that backport modern water, it would probably look correct.

[stark crow]

Ah, I see

Thanks!

By the way, I just noticed...

It's dark in the end on 1.16.5

and on 1.12.2

Ah

nevermind

It's just my brightness settings

Now it looks much more ominous

[hard sonnet]

yeah the trees are missing the bulb mosses which give off light

oh wait i see them there

in this current build do they not emit light

[stark crow]

Yeah

The next version will actually contain a lot of patches

The leaves will also stop showing space inside

and so will the cacti

and other nonsolid things

Right now relaunching MC

[stark crow]

And hoping to see those things

They are called lanceleaf, by the way

And that'll be it for the Amber Lands

It should hopefully be the first fully ported and fixed biome

and there are plenty more

[split musk]

This looks beautiful

[stark crow]

Luckily it's almost two weeks before Christmas

[stark crow]

The only thing I hate in 1.12.2

Is the limitation to only 16 blockstates

[stark crow]

those plants need 5*4=20 states

So unfortunately it seems that it won't be the biome we finalize...

Or we could do a trick

We'll only summon this plant in 3 rotations instead of 4...

that way it'll be 5*3=15...

[molten copper]

Just wanna jump in and say keep up the great work! All the pics you post really help tell the story and the progress is impressive. Kudos goodbird.

[stark crow]

Great success!

So far it's my most favourite biome

Just look at it!

and in full brightness

[summer wren]

That looks so good

The godly textured bushes and small trees do so much for character. Gotta hand it to paulev

[slender plume]

the itch behind my neck to completely make end expansion dlc that has better end as a dependancy is getting more and more prevalant

[stark crow]

and the biome blend also looks glorious!

Umbrella Jungle

unfortunately, sometimes there are some holes in the ground

But we can call them caves for now

Blossoming Spires

[slender plume]

i think the blossoming spires are by far one of my favs out of the bunch

it kind of hits that feel of how hard it is to traverse the jungle, but in the end i think its quite nice. it adds obstacles to say the least

[stark crow]

Dry shrublands

Umbra valley

Ice starfields

Ugh

That's not looking great...

Dragon graveyards

Shadow forest

[hard sonnet]

absolutely stunning

[stark crow]

a cave under the shadow forest

the caves probably need something...

Neon oasis

[stark crow]

Yeah, the caves definetely need those floating mushrooms all over the place!

So most of the biomes are ready now

The problems are with three biomes now

Sulphur springs: no lakes, too mane geysers

Crystal mountains: no mountains!

And megalake biome: no lakes!

Foggy mushroomlands

[hard sonnet]

how's performance wise when around these biomes?

[stark crow]

those bushes lost their stems again...

[stark crow]

Well, I can't really check, since I always have 10-30 FPS in Minecraft

With betterend or without it

[hard sonnet]

hm i guess we'll see when the release comes then

[stark crow]

By the way, the one thing that's also missing is the ambient particles

But for some reason the ambient particle function from NetherAPI just does not work...

[hard sonnet]

could you implement it without nether api?

[stark crow]

Probably

But not now

[slender plume]

https://github.com/Jboymercs/nether_backport/blob/main/src/main/java/com/unseen/nb/common/world/biome/BiomeCrimsonForest.java#L194C1-L194C5

[stark crow]

For now - I need to find at least the small end lakes

[stark crow]

I tried that, but it didn't work for some reason

I even tried to put the default vanilla flame factory there

And still no effect at all

[slender plume]

interesting

you know what

let me try it on end expansion cause currently the particles are by block

it'll be a few hours, but i'll let you know

[stark crow]

Actually, it's late night for me

So I should go to bed right now

But tomorrow I'll definetely read all your messages

Good night :3

[olive crane]

Very pretty

[stark crow]

Sulphur springs are now fixed

Finally there are some lakes

And not that many geysers

But the desert lakes still look a bit bad...

they leave those square frames around

Caves

After fixing a lot of exceptions falling out of every hole, the caves started to look a bit nicer

[fading sky]

Any success with the cave pumpkins yet? Otherwise, I'll wait for you to fix the other issues first. It's looking good so far.

[stark crow]

Cave pumpkins?

[fading sky]

This is one example of a cave pumpkin from the Better End mod being used to craft cave pumpkin pie (From the mod Wiki). It is the item in the center of the 3x3 grid. I might've misremembered how they generate in the 1.16 version of the mod.

[stark crow]

It seems that it's from 1.20.1

On 1.16.5 there are no pies and no pumpkins

[split musk]

What does this pumpkin pie do exactly is there any catch to it?

[fading sky]

I've never actually crafted the cave pumpkin pie in this mod so I don't know.

[stark crow]

Nice looking lakes!

No square borders anymore

Dark lake in chorus forest

Right now I'm think of creating a build

There are still no crystal mountains, unfortunately

But it's already pretty stable

Right now I'll make some tiny tests with the structures

But even if they won't succeed, we can always return back to the previous version

The reason I'm thinking of releasing the mod without structures is that with the structures enabled it's loading the world like 10 times slower

[stark crow]

Hello-hello!
Did you manage to test the particles in your mod?

And also, have you ever used NetherAPI for end structure generation?

[hard sonnet]

Was the water this blue in the 1.16 ver? I think they were lighter in colour no? Might be because of the fog or lighting

[stark crow]

Probably

Maybe that's because the lakes a mostly in the mushroomlands biome

and the water there is that blue

and if the lake was in the neon oasis biome

then it would be of a lighter color

[hard sonnet]

Ah i was thinking of the neon oasis

That clears things

Do we have an eta for another test build?

[stark crow]

It depends on what I'll see with the structure

But I really hope to make a CF release before Christmas

[nimble idol]

im so sorry

[stark crow]

:3

[nimble idol]

so incredibly sorry

[hard sonnet]

Lmao

[nimble idol]

i believe it was mentioned higher up that its because 1.13 changed the water light calculations

if you install a mod like aqua acrobatics it should look lighter, i think

[stark crow]

Today/tomorrow I hope to make a bit more tests related to at least mountains

since I really liked those aurora mountains

and I'd like to see them on 1.12.2

If it looks promising (right now everything is almost ready, it just does not work)

then I'll try to fix that soon

and maybe tomorrow/the day after tomorrow we'll have another test build here

and if everything goes well (if there won't be 1000 crashes like it was the first time)

then we'll go for CurseForge

[stark crow]

so that's something like eta

[slender plume]

yeah I think it might be something nether-api's end for the end handler specifically

as the nether stuff works fine for particles

[slender plume]

I have, but not too much, only for the Ashed King's fortress

if you're wanting to spawn structures and or want to have a locate command to find it

I would just look at this source https://github.com/Jboymercs/bomd/tree/main/src/main/java/com/dungeon_additions/da/util/commands

its more reliable than nether-api's stuff for locate commands

but still in testing, as sometimes with using mine there just won't be a structure there, but that is most likely cause the structure gen said no we can't spawn here

as the locate command can't read y level stuff as of now

so for structures that need solid ground to spawn such as the lich tower, sometimes the lich tower will refuse to generate in a area that the locate command deemed that theres one here because the generation rules said the ground is not flat enough lmao

but if you're unbothered by having a locate command attached with the structures, you can look at any end expansion structure besides the Ashed King's Fortress

[stark crow]

The main problem I'm having right now is determining the current Y level at the moment of structure generation

[stark crow]

Thanks!

[stark crow]

I think that we should wait with the structures...

[slender plume]

if you want, I can set up my basic world gen code that I've used for End Expansion?

however with y level stuff being determined, I can't attach a locate command with it since the current stuff for the locate command can't detect y levels

[stark crow]

Well, I'll do more testing myself with the current system

And for now

I think I should do a test release

So

Building the mod

[stark crow]

and after that we'll probably do a CF release

https://filetransfer.io/data-package/3RszvTAm#link

For all of those who has been waiting

That's a test release of BetterEndForge ported to 1.12.2!
p.s. the mod requires you to have NetherAPI and MixinBootstrap installed

[hard sonnet]

Excited to see the progress

[hard sonnet]

So far so good, I do think the biome fogs are extremely overpowering to the point you can barely see the skybox itself. I heard many ambient noises and biome music which was nice.

performance wise, world gen is quite slow and i found moving between biomes can freeze the game for some time. https://spark.lucko.me/nGPFtIKFK3 . I think there may be a memory leak as well, not sure the cause at the moment, but the ram is slowly creeping up

https://mclo.gs/m5qY3q5#L405 I did get a crash at one point

Previous issues such as tree decaying, two shulkers spawning inside of each other in end cities do remain, but moth spawn rates seem to be controlled now which is nice. It's coming along really nicely, I will do some more looking around later

Holy shit I accidentally left minecraft on with better end while playing fortnite and my whole pc just started buggin out lmao

[slender plume]

yes give mc all your memory

[zenith rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/i-see-no-problem-here-crazy-eyes-gif-12788383

[split musk]

Your pc Gets Cooked lol

[hard sonnet]

I have a hunch that the change in ambient biome music and sounds may have to play a role with the massive memory spikes. I observed while travelling between biomes, sometimes the whole game freezes and cuts to a biome music / sound

also I think some of the lighting may have to do with worldgen, installing Alfheim greatly improved it overall

[hard sonnet]

no joke i had to switch the power supply off because cursor was stuttering so much and i couldn't close my pc properly

[stark crow]

Ugh

I don't even know where to find that leak, honestly...

Although...

[hard sonnet]

I think maybe try to disable the biome sounds / music for now and make another build

[stark crow]

Maybe I do have an idea

[stark crow]

I'll take a closer look at trees dacaying and shulkers

[stark crow]

What about the slowness - well...

that's just how it works

Complicated worldgen takes time

but I'll also take a closer look at it

[hard sonnet]

Installing alfheim greatly improved world gen time for me, I think it may have to do with something about the lighting but I'll double check

[stark crow]

Yeah, it's definetely lighting

Each time you set the block, it does a lighing recheck

[hard sonnet]

is it a 1.12.2 issue mainly?

does 1.16.5 have better checks or something?

I don't think the terrain generation itself is causing the memory leaks, I think its a factor of the biome sounds altogether and maybe the fog (I'll do a run without the fog enabled)

[stark crow]

Then it might be NetherAPI issue, actually

[hard sonnet]

Was about to say yeah

[stark crow]

since ambience is fully made via NetherAPI

And yeah, I'll make a special build for you without the ambience

So that you could test it

[hard sonnet]

Ok hopefully that solves it

yeah i moved across two biomes, the game froze for a good 5 seconds and my memory went from 2gb - 9 gb usage

and the biome sounds changed

[stark crow]

Ah

[stark crow]

I took a closer look at what happens with the light checks - and it seems that the checks are almost the same...

At least the checks are invoked in the same places

Ah

[hard sonnet]

I was referring mainly to the vanilla versions, I know the later versions have different lighting engines

[stark crow]

And the mechanics of light checks are completely different

Probably on 1.12.2 and 1.16.5 the lighting engines are also different

[hard sonnet]

yeah

Maybe a look at other 1.12.2 mod repositorities and how their lighting works could work

so far alfheim acts as a bandage to the lighting issues in the current builds, but biomes with heavy emphasis on lighting such as the blossoming spires and lantern woods do lag quite a lot

If the way the light checks are changed I think it would benefit to performance greatly, I haven't seen any other things affecting world gen aside from ambience / lighting

[stark crow]

Right now I'm going to do two builds

One is -sounds

and the other is -sounds and -fog

Also, the leaves will no longer decay

but I still didn't manage to fix the double shulker problem

And also there will be some other fixes

Terrain dig speed fix

path xray fix

neon cactus fix

hopefully flying mosses fix

hanging blocks (bush fur, mosses, etc) not getting removed fix

[hard sonnet]

Awesome, I'll look at it once it's up

[stark crow]

no sound version
https://filetransfer.io/data-package/zSfVae86#link

no sound no fog version
https://filetransfer.io/data-package/OMJaECyu#link

[hard sonnet]

Just done a quick run it was the ambient sounds that caused the memory leaks yes

[stark crow]

Ah

also

tomorrow we can perform another test

return the music

but not the ambient sounds

[hard sonnet]

Yeah that's fine, I'll also look at those tomorrow too

Dont think its meant to render like that

[fading sky]

Given how much ram you have compared to my potato, I'm scared what will happen if I run the current alpha build with ambient sounds.

In the meantime, I'll test the version without ambient sounds to look for other potential bugs.

[nimble idol]

i have a potato as well so im a bit worried, but i guess itll put my carefully selected optimization mods to the test

[fading sky]

Which ones are you using? I'll see if I have any of those on my separate modded survival world already.

[nimble idol]

alfheim lighting engine
entity culling
fermiumasm
noisethreader
nothirium
paperfixes
particle culling
stellarcore
universal tweaks
vintagefix

[hard sonnet]

I allocated 8gb. Game was running at 2gb usage but shot to around 12gb usage loading in the sounds. The current build has none of that. It runs on around 1-2 gbs

Oh btw i encountered some possible cascading world gen stuff, which literally shot my memory usage to past 8gb. I was hoping the chunks would unload and get a profile ready but my memory was being eaten away by something that made my ram exceed 8gb of usage ill look into it tomorrow

[fading sky]

I've only got 4gb RAM total on my 10 year old laptop.

[hard sonnet]

Yeah, i think its fine to test it but the moment you see the world gen pause and chunks are not loading in after about 30 seconds, i would task mangaer minecraft asap if i were you

[stark crow]

Actually

For the whole time I was running my client with 1.5 GB RAM

And it worked totally fine

Though I'm always playing without the sound...

That's why I probably didn't get that awful ambient sound leak

[stark crow]

And also, there is no more cascading worldgen in BetterEnd

if it needs to load something in other chunks, it just holds that data, until those other chunks are loaded

[stark crow]

This is a version with ambient sounds but without music
https://filetransfer.io/data-package/ObYHM0o4#link

And here is a version with no ambient sounds but with music
https://filetransfer.io/data-package/uwJKib6q#link

[hard sonnet]

Bad news, it's both of them. Though, the ambient sounds is more significant in its impact. I'd suggest try to implement how the 1.16.5 version implements its ambient sounds

[hard sonnet]

hm, I encountered what I was experiencing before. There was a specific region that took up 10gb trying to generate

I'll do more testing

https://mclo.gs/NO4Xuyz I installed worldgen profiler and it indicates there is cascading worldgen

probably not the smartest thing to do but im trying to load in chunks so i can get a profile

[hard sonnet]

https://spark.lucko.me/ixSMJw3GPI my pc basically died out, but I got another profile, something about InvertedScatterFeature generation that might play a role

[stark crow]

Well, the log will tell that it's cascading gen, but it's actually not true

it starts to generate the border chunk

But it's almost empty

it's just endstone basically

and it'll definetely not trigger any other chunks

[stark crow]

Ugh, it got into the depth of recursion...

[stark crow]

I see

The music is hardcoded on 1.12.2, you can't add it

and the ambient sounds on 1.12.2 don't exist at all, probably

[stark crow]

Interesting

[hard sonnet]

That's a shame, well I can add it on my own using music triggers or Musify

I'll try find some issues now

[hard sonnet]

Do you know what could be causing it? The logs did say it was a result of cascading world gen but I'm genuinely not sure

[summer wren]

I was just thinking, yeah. Offering the sounds as a separate "pack" to use with MT or musify would be neat and avoid this issue

[stark crow]

That's an interesting idea

[nimble idol]

i believe thats what the betweenlands does

[stark crow]

I see that there was a recursive issue and I'm going to fix it

[hard sonnet]

That spark profiler i sent wasn't as a result of the 10gb+ ram world gen btw, it was recorded after a delay in world gen for a good 30 seconds

[stark crow]

By the way
Does anybody know if the dev of NetherAPI still exists (is he doing modding still)?

Maybe we should ask him for the fixes?

[summer wren]

Yes, but he doesn't have any open channels other than GitHub afaik

[hard sonnet]

Either github or CF you can contact him

[summer wren]

I know @slender plume talked with him some time ago

[stark crow]

Yeah, the recursion is probably the reason why it lagged for 30 seconds

And as for the memory...

You should probably get a memory (heap) dump

And send it to me

So that I could analyze it and find the leak reason

I believe spark offers an option to do that

[hard sonnet]

I'll try and see its documentation now

[nimble idol]

im sure jbredwards would be happy to add whatever netherapi support is required for this betterend backport, since thats what he's done with basically all nether and end generation mods so far, but from what i understand, he's currently quite busy with collage and is working on a 3.0 release of fluidlogged to fix its performance

[stark crow]

Ah, I see

[nimble idol]

that being said, i dont have contact with him or anything, so maybe that information is outdated now

[stark crow]

That's sad

Maybe I'll look for a way to contact him a bit later

[nimble idol]

october 4th

i believe in another reply he mentioned releasing 3.0 in january, so maybe after he does that you could get in touch and see what he has to say about it

[hard sonnet]

I mean, he is still active on git somewhat, I submitted an issue on nether api a month ago and he did see it

I think the best way atm is probably submit an issue and let him know in advance

[hard sonnet]

Ok regarding I think the recursive world gen is also causing the memory usage to increase. I found a world where it had the same problem of chunks not loading in + ram increasing steadily. I then copied the world and set the render distance to 2 so that it would hopefully load the missing chunks quicker without exploding my PC and I managed to get a spark profile https://spark.lucko.me/kUt93msDcY

it still goes on about the inverted scatter feature

I'll still try do a heap dump but the problem with trying to do that is the chunks have to be fully loaded first in order to do one with spark's heap dump otherwise the world freezes forever

And in the logs as well it still says it was as a result of "cascading world gen lag"

So I think we have our answer

[stark crow]

I'll try to fix the inverten scatter recursion today

and send you the test version

[stark crow]

and also investigate what was that thing, why haven't I notice it and if it can do memory explosion

[stark crow]

https://filetransfer.io/data-package/NgqHiwUt#link

recursive worldgen is now fixed

[hard sonnet]

I made another copy of the world of which the issue has been happening, it is now fixed

[stark crow]

Great!

[hard sonnet]

The only issues left with performance is now light checks

damn it runs like a dream holy

and also memory doesn't surge up anymore, I'll look around a bit more

for some reason the chunk here just refuses to load in, but the world still seems fine to run but after refreshing chunks it just doesn't budge

[stark crow]

Well, that sometimes happens to minecraft, yeah

[hard sonnet]

I put some other issues I found in this doc, some are repeated, some give a bit more clarity than before, some are new and there are possible suggestions

just don't wanna fill this whole thread

[stark crow]

Isn't this thread made for such things?

Are the trees still decaying, by the way?

[hard sonnet]

I just felt like if i send everything here one by one its gonna fill up everywhere so i thought it would better if i just condensed it into one doc, I can send the individual screenshots here if you want

[hard sonnet]

nop

nope

they#re good

[stark crow]

So that one

3. tree parts and foliage are decaying (except for flowers in grasslands).

Is fixed

That's more of NetherAPI issue once again

since I just passed the color (RGB) to NetherAPI

the color is directly ported from BetterEnd 1.16.5

and NetherAPI rendered it

[hard sonnet]

ah I see, could the fog intensity be decreased somehow?

[stark crow]

Once again, NetherAPI issue - on 1.16.5 you can change the intensity, while NetherAPI doesn't allow you to do that

[hard sonnet]

oof, i guess its fine, its just sometimes when i walk into certain biomes i feel like ive been flashbanged lol

[stark crow]

the leaves...

well

Originally you could see the space through them at all

So I decided to make them transparent like that

ugh

[hard sonnet]

Ah i see

[stark crow]

By the way, for the future, it's better to send the images and bugs here

so that I could react and respond them here

[stark crow]

without copying it like that

[hard sonnet]

Yeah sure

[stark crow]

Fixed

[hard sonnet]

Regarding stalictites and neon cacti, they don't break when you break the base as well

[stark crow]

Fixed

[stark crow]

Hopefully fixed

[hard sonnet]

slime model looks a bit iffy here too

[stark crow]

Interesting

Probably some texture got lost

Though I tested them before and they worked fine

[hard sonnet]

I'll look more into it now actually, I have other mods installed for performance and I'll see if its affecting how they render somehow

yeah they still render like that with just better end in

[stark crow]

and what biome slimes are they?

[hard sonnet]

forgot to mention there are these floating guys in amberlands

[hard sonnet]

i found them in foggy mushroomlands

[stark crow]

they have different textures for different biomes

[hard sonnet]

It's called end slimes I believe

i just searched the wiki

[stark crow]

Yeah

[hard sonnet]

and they appeared in the foggy mushroom list

[stark crow]

But try spawning an end slime in amber lands

[stark crow]

Yep

they have different textures

so the chorus nilyum one is broken

[hard sonnet]

im not sure the command to spawn them in 1.12.2... There aren't spawn eggs, what is the string for the end slimes?

leaf part rotation + leaf parts still act like solid blocks and not passable like foliage

[hard sonnet]

Also I haven't seen any amber end slimes spawning in the amber lands as well

[stark crow]

I think it's betterendforge.end_slime

[stark crow]

Interesting

[hard sonnet]

success, also the slimes do emit the particles enderman emit, Im not sure if its intended to be like that

[stark crow]

I suppose that's intended

[hard sonnet]

they look nice either way

[stark crow]

The are now not solid anymore

[hard sonnet]

that is the slime that isnt rendering properly all the other slimes render properly when spawned

[stark crow]

Hopefully fixed

[stark crow]

Hopefully fixed the rotation

[hard sonnet]

also neon cacti are meant to have an emissive glow

[stark crow]

Fixed

And also made fialux glow

(those latern ending vines in lantern woods)

Also added more lights

to mosses

and other things that need light

(on 1.16.5 setLightLevel required an integer number from 0 to 15 and on 1.12.2 it requires a float number from 0 to 1)

and if you pass something greater than 1, it'll just not glow at all

[stark crow]

Fully glowing fialux tree

Correctly rotated fur

there are now a lot of vines

those were the inverted scatter things that were not generating and causing the recursive errors

Even managed to fix the floating mosses!

It looks glorious!

https://filetransfer.io/data-package/AHsTcOKr#link

here is a version with all those patches

Tomorrow will look for the cause of double shulkers bug (something is causing another city to spawn)

and probably will look at the Alfheim code

[hard sonnet]

got this random crash while travelling across the biomes https://mclo.gs/5aijrci

Tree moss and foliage still decays though

[hard sonnet]

Placing this polypore on the ground top will cause your game to crash https://mclo.gs/vBLpxRY

This also applies to the tree moss as well

I think just placing foliage that is meant to be stuck to a block sideways on top of the ground will just crash your game

[stark crow]

It seems to be just something in the minecraft code

[stark crow]

Weird

[stark crow]

Fixed surface gen

Fixed shroom caps

Also, for now cacti will not drop (it causes them to break fully)

and suphur springs surface is also fixed

[stark crow]

Double shulker is once again a NetherAPI problem

For modded biomes in generates the end city once, and then invokes the populate with vanilla, which generates in again

@slender plume, could you please test, if in your end expansion biomes each end city also has doubled shulkers?

Since that super call will probably do that thing

[hard sonnet]

Should i do a heap dump on why there were memory leaks involving the ambience / biome music as in end expansion's ambience it doesnt happen

[stark crow]

Ah, interesting

Well, you could try
But probably I should just take a look at end expansion ambience code

[hard sonnet]

Yeah ill do it it later

[stark crow]

And in what EndExpansion biomes there is ambience?

[hard sonnet]

In ash wastelands it has its own sound track

And in the end i think there are ambient sounds i heard

Not sure if it was biome specific though

Becaude i heard ambient sounds everywhere

End expansion at the moment has only one biome

[stark crow]

Ah, so there is something like random ambient sound

As far as I understand, the default ambient sound is played once when you enter the biome

[hard sonnet]

And im pretty sure end cities do not spawn in the ash wastelands as well

Ahh

[stark crow]

While random ambient sound plays each tick with a chance of 0.05%

[hard sonnet]

Everytime i enter ash wastelands it plays thr soundtrack

[stark crow]

Interesting

[hard sonnet]

Yeah it has its own unique structures

Im sure its a nether api issue

If it comes down to that

[stark crow]

And EndExpansion has its own way of playing music, actually

[hard sonnet]

Could that be implemented in better end?

[stark crow]

Probably

[stark crow]

@hard sonnet, so what do you think about the next plans of the mod?

asking you, since you are the most active person and tester here

Most of the tiny issues like rendering shroom caps, flying mosses and etc were fixed

We have some NetherAPI issues like
ambient sounds, music, particles, shulkers

And there is a performance issue with the light

[summer wren]

(jeffn deserves a spot on the eventual cf page for his active testing, like damn that's some dedication)

[stark crow]

I could probably take NetherAPI and fix some of the things myself...

though not sure if jbredwards will be happy about that...

[stark crow]

Fixing the light issues - well, I'm not sure if I should reinvent Alfheim

[summer wren]

Did you open an issue or try to contact him through cf?

[stark crow]

Not yet

But maybe I should do it first, yeah

But I actually prefer to fix most of the issues myself, not bothering the great modding masters

Even if there is no open source for the mod, I take my fix structure, do a partial decompile and fix the mod :3

[stark crow]

Maybe I should do something like PR for NetherAPI

[summer wren]

I seem to remember he explicitly made the mode close sourced so people wouldn't steal his stuff, but was super open to letting in anyone who had genuine interest in the code for doing something productive. Maybe that was other dev though, so take it with a grain of salt

I would look through his message history here, but I'm from phone and at work

[stark crow]

It seems that NetherAPI in particular has an open source

Though the mod is published under ARR...

[summer wren]

Ok, this statement isn't specifically about his mods, but it certainly confirms his stance. #mods-discussion message

[hard sonnet]

I would suggest maybe backporting some features of the fabric ver such as end villages if people want it, adding compat with other mods such as fluidloggedapi and futuremc (mainly for the tools as smithing tables are involved i believe). As of now, I'm not sure if the current builds of better end, stygian or end expansion would generate together, so if they don't work well, compat could be made between them

[hard sonnet]

I would be honored lol

[summer wren]

The thing I'm most interested in is toggleability of features. I would love using parts of this mod, but there are entire biomes, blocks, and structures that would personally not work for me in RotN. Not sure if that's planned already.

[hard sonnet]

From the current config you can enable / disable biomes, caves, generation chances and other stuff too

it looks pretty configurable

huh you can customize how island generates from the looks of it

[stark crow]

there is already a config

[hard sonnet]

is it functional?

[stark crow]

Hmmm

I highly doubt that you can customize the generation of an island

But I should at least check if the config is functioning at all

[hard sonnet]

I'll see as well

[stark crow]

And what do you think about the functional blocks, ores and things like that?

Like there are still no ores...

And the smelter isn't working

And also, when should we do the first CF release?

[hard sonnet]

oh i thought you were focusing on terrain generation first, then focusing on functional blocks

do you just plan to make the first CF release just for biomes

if so, functional blocks can be added yeah

[stark crow]

Yeah, I thought so

[hard sonnet]

as its 1.12.2 some things would need to be tweaked

[stark crow]

My thoughts was:

1. biomes from 1.16.5
2. functional blocks from 1.16.5
3. other versions
4. some tricky compats

Or maybe the compats and then other versions

since porting from even higher versions...

It might be quite complicated

[hard sonnet]

yeah...

I was thinking that too

For example, some biomes generate a bit differently in the later versions, as seen with the crystal mountains

I'm not sure if that could be backported

I think probably the CF release should include biome functionality, next updates can focus on compat and functional blocks

[stark crow]

the second image is just shaders probably

[hard sonnet]

oh i took that second image with shaders lol not a goodlook

i was mainly talking about the blue grass block generating around the crystals

ill get another screenshot without shaders nw

[stark crow]

Ah, I see

Adding grass or not is actually not that big of a deal - it can be fixed quite easily

[hard sonnet]

Also, I've noticed that better end 1.16 version seems to have completely overhauled how end islands generate as seen with the config, but the 1.20.1 version uses vanilla generation and builds upon it using biomes

[hard sonnet]

but i feel like that should be a nether api thing to overhaul end island generation

[summer wren]

Having separate generation per biome is a tall order, as not even the overworld does that. Technically the generation in the ow for all biomes is the "same" and only the parameters for min-max altitude and height variation change, but that's not the same as changing the actual generation per biome; they all use the same noise generator.

Making islands have different shapes based on biome would be on a different level.

Not saying it's impossible, but just that it's harder than it seems at a first glance because of the way the world provider and the chunk provider interact with each other.

[stark crow]

Yeah, the main problem is that biomes are per-block

and not per-island

[hard sonnet]

Could a solution be then, generate end islands with variable altitudes, would that work?

[stark crow]

That might be possible, if the islands were separated

but if not, there is a chance that it will be quite unbalanced

[stark crow]

Yeah, NetherAPI could change its own biome and chunk provider, and it would automatically apply to all the mods dependant on it

[hard sonnet]

sometimes biomes generate with squares popping out, I assume it has to do with something with cave biomes, but I assume it's being worked on, so is there any point of reporting it here

[stark crow]

Ah, that's really weird

I was flying around and there were no such things already

And you have a ton of them

[hard sonnet]

glowing grasslands seem to be missing a few foliage generating and those tall glowing plants are not rendered correctly

[hard sonnet]

yeah I've noticed quite a lot of them, but I assumed they were being worked on so I wasn't really sure whether to report it here

In these released builds are there any WIP issues that shouldn't be reported here?

[stark crow]

Ah, so these things should not look like bare stems...

I wonder what could happen to them...

[hard sonnet]

also in the sulphur springs biome, could the RGB values of the water be changed to better suit the biome? For reference I think it would look better if the water was more yellow-green? I get that the water works differently in 1.12.2 but I think the default colour can be changed. Curious to see

Also fish and some marine life do not spawn in these ponds, not sure if its also WIP - this accounts for other biomes too

Will the first CF release include structures as well?

[stark crow]

Yeah, that's totally possible

[stark crow]

Actually, right now there is no WIP
But yeah, I should find out what happened

And also

I should probably build another version for you

maybe even with changing the water color

[stark crow]

Maybe something like that?

[hard sonnet]

yeah that looks good

sulphur spring caves usually spawn with their ends being completely exposed, not sure if that can be patched

[stark crow]

Here it is

[hard sonnet]

that looks really good

[stark crow]

That might be intentional?

[hard sonnet]

Possibly yeah

[stark crow]

Looks a bit weird near the other biomes