tardy vessel
https://twitter.com/theorycraft_inc/status/1674040339018186752
Seems an upcoming game by some pretty well knwon game devs, seems a bit of a Battle Royale Moba. No clue what the future for it is yet but might be interesting to keep an eye out on. (Playtest should be this weekend)
near turtle
https://www.theorycraftgames.com/ another playtest is now up and running
cursive root
hey @tardy vessel @near turtle I am going to be admining the first paid prize pool SUPERVIVE tournament this weekend and I know there's a few from the amazing team I'm working with who've submitted interest forms for a wiki, just looking around but thought I'd say hi
near turtle
👋 im gonna be in the playtest this week, moreso to see for myself how esports-viable the game is (looks like it so far!)
its kind of what i do, i have eyes on several other upcoming games too
cursive root
nice, I'm a top 100 player myself but I will admit it's hard to see what the potential is until your MMR gets high enough, we're hoping to use our event on Sunday as a showcase for those who've not yet made like the 3+ playtest grind to get there
near turtle
yeyeye
cursive root
OK so for prosperity
results of first tournament
EU
NA
scoring system we used:
(and 1 point per kill)
tardy vessel
Could also pre-emptively do a bit of work on a userspace on e.g apex
fading rose
SUPERVIVE
dreamy moon
Could also pre-emptively do a bit of work on a userspace on e.g apex
With the help with reliq I have something started here from the event last weekend https://liquipedia.net/apexlegends/User:Reidthesloth/Supervive/Links
cursive root
god damn good work >.>
this one is gonna be tricky with Liquipedia's format I imagine
in SUPERVIVE, a kill is a player dying, an elimination is a team dying
the technicality on the wording is gonna be interesting
cursive root
fairs
dreamy moon
in SUPERVIVE, a kill is a player dying, an elimination is a **team** dying
iirc Reliq was talking to me about this and i just forgot to fix it
cursive root
I think seeing the limitations of the Apex format also I don't blame you either
little bit of a leak but
we also had feedback from some players that they would like kill and elimination points to be experimented with (.e.g. extra points if you kill the last player alive in a squad)
would not surprise me if another TO did that, since those values are in the API data
just suggests to me the headaches we could see down the line from other scenes just using elimination as a term in 10 different ways 😅
dreamy moon
if we can get a format going early on/all the formats that could happen long run it will be easy
but since only 2 events have happened its just a wait and see now
cursive root
yeah
I have it on good authority there's another org out there wanting to give it a shot
so we'll see if our different approaches ignite the discussion
dreamy moon
whos the org
cursive root
that for now I think stays off-record, but I'll update here when they go public about it
dreamy moon
sadge
cursive root
I'm more so aware in the sense of the tip offs I've had are in their talent scouting stage and feels immoral to influence that
dreamy moon
fair fair
verbal nova
Sup
Page has been filled out with talent and all results have been correctly locked in.
All teams and nationalities have also been filled. I've left one out on purpose, that being Campo. As Israel is currently a hot topic in international affairs, I've assigned him the standard EU flag for safety's sake to protect the player.
static pilot
shouldnt we put the broadcast talent on top? i know it from other games on liquipedia that its on top and not all the way at the bottom
and i also think broadcast talent is important so it should be on top imo
cursive root
All teams and nationalities have also been filled. I've left one out on purpose,...
heads up there is a "non-representing" flag on Liquipedia BTW
VALORANT uses this flag for Russia for example
but it's such a minor thing I wouldn't worry about tweaking it RN
cursive root
shouldnt we put the broadcast talent on top? i know it from other games on liqui...
depends on the wiki
the convention on Apex is bottom I think?
static pilot
depends on the wiki
yea on valorant, league and rocket league for example its on the top
static pilot
the convention on Apex is bottom I think?
yep but i mean its supervive here so we can do it differently and i would suggest to take it to the top
cursive root
the template was made using the Apex format that's all there is to it
dreamy moon
we are open todo what ever we want
cursive root
I think personally I'd be advocating for something like the TFT wiki in advance, the assumption of 'main' and 'alternate' streams
they also do top of page to be clear
static pilot
they also do top of page to be clear
yea i think thats better overall
cursive root
I wonder if perhaps a community like this would benefit from 'notable co-streams' 🤔 (this is bottom of page)
cursive root
fair point, I guess it's gonna be something to see play out first
oh and @dreamy moon while I'm here, I believe these are technically all the same map
you can physically travel to all 4 regardless of which bonfire is active, I know this is placeholder but saving you from any future rabbit holes
cursive root
OK I'm gonna make some light edits here and there of my own and justify them here, starting with the canon name for the BR map
battlegrounds is the only official name the BR map has ever had, dating back to pre-glider 32 player project Loki
implementing the following storm shift list
verbal nova
battlegrounds is the only official name the BR map has ever had, dating back to ...
Just to be clear on this. We’re calling maps Battlegrounds? Therefore Skylands IS a Battleground?
All I want to establish is maybe best to get clarification from TC first and foremost. Better to ask than suggest the people running the Supervive wiki are lying haha
cursive root
Just to be clear on this. We’re calling maps Battlegrounds? Therefore Skylands I...
during pre-alpha the oldest terminology was:
battlegrounds - the map we today know as the BR map, no lore name has been confirmed or used since and the name was placeholder, I appreciate the way I said 'canon' might not have been clear here so apologies ❤️
arena - has never had a public name, simply "the DM map" verbatim from PWYFF, Bubo, Jru, New001, I am actively looking for a source that calls this literally anything else
skylands - colloquial term has seemingly been used for 'both' maps, but has applied for all experimental variations of maps in focus groups too (20v20, explorer experimental mode, older iterations of training/practice range)
cursive root
All I want to establish is maybe best to get clarification from TC first and for...
brain went faster than my words here perhaps MB, but my assumption there was skylands was again used in the generic placeholder sense
I am curious in the same way Anion is curious regarding official map names (she maintains the online wiki) but the last either of us heard they simply hadn't been given lore names as maps yet
regardless, TC themselves just recently hired a new lore guy into seemingly the same position Maryo used to hold on the team so might be something we can get a confirmation on in due time >.>
verbal nova
PRONOUNS
PRONOUNS would be an incredible addition to the wiki
I had no idea Anion was she/her
So adding that info to the wiki would be INCREDIBLY useful for casters
cursive root
legitimately yes
I think SUPERVIVE is probably close to Splatoon's gender diversity at competitive level so, though Liquipedia as a whole honestly could benefit, I think the need is heightened
anyway map name source
last public comment was that the dev team was 'holding on' to confirmation of whether we had lore names for the maps, meaning that as we have neither that nor an in-game indicator I think the simplest solution for now is resort to dev terminology (.i.e. we call it what they called it most often/recently)
verbal nova
👍
timber spire
We've considered adding pronouns before, but the amount of contributors actually interested in maintaining that was rather low. If nobody will maintain it then we can't add it.
cursive root
We've considered adding pronouns before, but the amount of contributors actually...
forgive me then if it's already visited ground but was there ever a consideration of 'notable players' at least having? or any variant bar thereof to meet before making a standard? curious as to the history is all
timber spire
Basically we would want such features for all the players we've considered notable to have a page. We are aware that this information is probably not obtainable for all players, as it essentially requires asking every player with a page, but we would still want it for as many players as possible. And that's simply a lot of work.
This feature is also not on a "we can never ever do this list", but it would require a group of contributors to get together to maintain this.
As with all new features though, and this is not specific to you, or to this feature, the contributors we would want to have showing they would maintain this feature would have to have already shown that they will continue to contribute, so we would disregard new contributors for any feature requests that are high maintenance. Such a drive would have to come from contributors that have been around for a bit and who have shown that they will contribute continuously.
cursive root
that's fair enough, I figured was probably something with a deeper history, and I see a lot of summative language there so I take it that's the case, just establishing the current state on that
timber spire
I don't have strong feelings either direction with this feature, I can just give you a summary of what's happened so far wrt pronouns
This is a 15 year old website with a big community, you can assume most topics have been brought up at some point ^^
never hurts to ask of course
cursive root
re: I figured, just getting the more direct statement before speculating
thanks though, I don't think a new grassroots scene is gonna shake up an entire site on a format component but helps to be informed
I have known about debates on Wikipedia over some very trivial things so by comparison I completely get the caution
and I'd rather this discussion than 'does adding among us crewmates to diagrams constitute site vandalism' LUL
timber spire
^^
Liquipedia has an advantage here in that the administrators are willing to just go and enforce policies a lot more aggressively than Wikipedia administrators are, but we generally try to use common sense, and being able to maintain a feature comes in as a good criterion
Also we generally do try and listen to what the community wants
but on some discussions there will never be an end, and then we just make a decision
tardy vessel
the convention on Apex is bottom I think?
Generally on newer wikis and some other improvements we've been moving it down a bit under a combined broadcast header together with the streams. (Generally for the casual broadcast talent isn't that important to be listed above all other information)
tardy vessel
we also had feedback from some players that they would like kill *and* eliminati...
💀 br formats will be the death of me
cursive root
💀 br formats will be the death of me
yeahhhhh for context SUPERVIVE has a significant number of res mechanics, and certain forms of loot that only drop from the team box (the big box that combines all the player boxes together for convenience) such as soul boss buffs, that make full wiping an important tactical consideration
basically imagine if the equivalent of Baron buff was lootable but only if the full squad got wiped
I will use a Caedrel POV for convenience (all my high MMR footage moves too fast to showcase I think) but the 2 types of box are distinct in shape and also are tracked separately by the game https://youtu.be/3QmAwM_prUY?si=ybLehk-B_X084_Tk&t=2854
static pilot
is there any chance of seeing the teammembers and teamnames of every team that participated in the first EU and NA shomatch (04.June.2024)? i think they deleted it in the discord channel right? cause i can only see the ones from the latest ones from the 1st of august
dreamy moon
@verbal nova whould u know?
verbal nova
From JUNE
I mean the match vod might still be available on Discord but I haven't checked in a hot second
static pilot
i wathed both showmatch VODS on your twitch but some players were just the hunter names and ther were no teamnames, just a few i could pick up from you saying them during the cast
dreamy moon
rip
static pilot
Yea i mean July, Like the ones from the 4th of July
The first openly watchable ones
Where The Last Door won both yk
static pilot
is there any chance of seeing the teammembers and teamnames of every team that p...
I meant 4.July🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
verbal nova
Misread it as July lol, sorry
Ah. If they aren't on the July VOD then we probably don't have them anymore
I have the August ones only
verbal nova
From the July ones
Yes but if they don't show the teams I don't have them written down is what I'm saying
static pilot
i wathed both showmatch VODS on your twitch but some players were just the hunte...
But thats the Problem, some Players No names and No Teamnames
static pilot
Yes but if they don't show the teams I don't have them written down is what I'm ...
Ahh okay
Unlucky
U think the devs or Community Managers still have the Info about it? Cause in the discord channel it was deleted
verbal nova
U think the devs or Community Managers still have the Info about it? Cause in th...
PWYFF might have them stored away?
static pilot
Okay i will ask him, lets see
static pilot
Nah he doesnt, unlucky then
dreamy moon
wooooo
static pilot
all the devs are from the us probably right? exept for the ones where it sais otherwise on their website
dreamy moon
Ye
static pilot
okay good
cursive root
all the devs are from the us probably right? exept for the ones where it sais ot...
every showmatch dev is US to my knowledge
some are Canadian outside that
but they all have LinkedIns so
nothing's out of reach there
cursive root
if you get stuck on any LMK
static pilot
Aight thank you ^^
verbal nova
FYI no tournaments as far as I can see for September. I'm running eight show matches across the upcoming playtest window.
cursive root
yup that lines up with my own BTS info too
(not major per se just related to the nature of what they're doing this test)
static pilot
damn we need a supervive wiki aswell, deadlock already got theirs after a few days
dreamy moon
One day
static pilot
yea man
cursive root
I get it's Valve
I mean in fairness Deadlock community has more game uptime and thus can have more contributors (since they can log in and pull game info whenever)
accelerates the process monumentally
timber spire
There's also been more visible interest from our existing community in that game. And remember, Deadlock getting a wiki takes nothing away from this game, if the interewt is there and big enough it will happen
near turtle
I mean in fairness Deadlock community has more game uptime and thus can have mor...
i think the alpha opens up in october for supervive? im not sure
so itll be soon
near turtle
yeah and the next playtest is uh
kinda imminent since they said its monthly for now
static pilot
On Steam it actually says release 4. Quarter of 2024 so maybe it actually releases in December already
static pilot
I mean in fairness Deadlock community has more game uptime and thus can have mor...
Yea makes sense
Once supervive is in Beta and released the interest will rise really fast i think so hopefully it doesnt take too long to get it
verbal nova
Make no mistake that’s the Beta release @static pilot
Everything suggests it will be a continual ramp up to the Version 1.0 release similar to League
static pilot
Well true that
Yea probably a few months after Beta release its gonna release, i remember it for valorant where it was released 2 months after beta, so its gonna take a bit longer than that cause TC is a small Studio right
near turtle
its small but theres hella big names working there
static pilot
That is true, thats the thing that makes me really confident about the game and its development
static pilot
Niice thank you
dreamy moon
@static pilot still here
static pilot
I couldnt see it anymore for some reason, thank you
dreamy moon
I couldnt see it anymore for some reason, thank you
it got archived after i think a week of no activity (thanks discord)
static pilot
Bruh
static pilot
Lovely job on the showmatch pages everyone btw!
Thank you very much🫶🏼
Thank you aswell for adding Info like Placements and Kills etc.!!
verbal nova
Thank you very much🫶🏼
Thank you aswell for adding Info like Placements and Kil...
Had to go with pure knocks this time around but it was fun to manually count 😂
Very welcome!
static pilot
Had to go with pure knocks this time around but it was fun to manually count 😂
😂 i mean at least you can rewatch everything, was fun for me aswell when looking for Placements etc
cursive root
so nervous about later today
Next Fest has felt rough for the game overall on metrics
ranked is the last arrow in the quiver
verbal nova
Talk to any developer and they've been happy with growth and reception that the game has garnered. Next Fest was another rollout introduction to crowds, not the be-all and end all for SUPERVIVE.
The game literally locked in at second most popular game during Next Fest against Delta Force, a game pulling in the nostalgia and FPS crowd with a FAR more complete product than SUPERVIVE has right now.
So, yes, whilst I would also expect for the numbers to rise across the weekend (just through pure player availability alone) it's not the end of the world if they don't.
No need to doom and gloom a game that's running a demo version with zero OST, an unpolished menu and even a character who has portrait art but no updated model to go with it.
near turtle
yeah supervive has been the biggest competitive game on next fest and honestly they just need to pretty it up a bit and its ready for release
its brought in decent twitch numbers too
cursive root
I get all this, I've seen Spectre Divide fall short with more though
near turtle
i dont think people were sold with spectre divide since it didnt have that unique of a gameplay loop
attaching shrouds name to it didnt do anything
people had gripes with the map size and movement speed
and the main gimmick it had kind of fell a bit flat
cursive root
I mean true, I just worry a lot given marketing analysis that it's not hitting the baselines many similarly hyped up 'ex-insert studio' games got to and failed despite that
SD being a recent talking point but same goes for Omega Strikers and to a lesser extent Battlerite
leaving aside that aspect though I have to look at a game like Eternal Return for competition and what it has needed just to thrive, I don't see SUPERVIVE getting there before 2025
verbal nova
It's not going Version 1.0 until at LEAST Spring 2025
and it might even be longer tbh
So again, stop dooming and glooming. Respectfully.
cursive root
I don't think the public largely cares what the version number says, I just want a lot of esports industry veterans to be wrong on things currently being said
verbal nova
Then don't look at it, trust the devs and enjoy the game lol
They literally said it was a tech test and they were very happy with the week.
Would be much more quiet and honest if it was bad.
cursive root
I'm trying not to but a lot of top players (myself included) have heard this song before elsewhere, I have a lot of faith in TC to pull through but beta is immediately after next fest in some regions
cursive root
my point is
this is a beta build of the game
which shouldn't look that drastically different from launch in reality
cursive root
if you say so
cursive root
cursive root
I will assume this to be a clown fiesta but noted for later https://fxtwitter.com/playSUPERVIVE/status/1856036457166803173
cursive root
aye I didn't think we'd get anybody notable
I will assume from Ovilee teasing that that's the kinda baseline we're dealing with on quality (50ish hour people) but yeah otherwise not a major consideration
cursive root
@static pilot I don't intend to drag any BTS planning into public domain but I will assume from this graphic SVDACH at least notionally would be happy to see formats akin to LVL standardised?
cursive root
HOLY SHIT Y'ALL
FIRST EVER SUPERVIVE LAN???
prize is not monetary so wouldn't meet Liquipedia standards regardless
but if the game manages to blossom post-launch this could be good to archive in user space
cursive root
OK yeah just inspecting further
not technically "LAN"
but even so
venue is tiny though you're right however
I am going to keep an eye on the KR scene because let's face it, if the game stands any chance of doing stuff in esports it'll be under Nexon first (even if they're known for shutting down a lot of GaaS platforms they habitually push a lot of competitive-oriented marketing)
gives us something to work with
verbal nova
Two new events announced as SUPERVIVE prepares for Open Beta, I can guarantee you that there's one more announcement on the way this week
Synoyd's Pizza Party - https://x.com/loreggofficial/status/1858267340942496053
cursive root
VIVE Club - https://x.com/JustReliq/status/1858555789520011305
is VIVE club not just streamed scrims essentially?
6 game blocks just wondering how to categorise
if it carries over standings in some way over multiple events it could be worth covering akin to swiss leagues on the TFT wiki
rather than making a page for each week
as for the creator cup
reminds me of old school FNCS, might user page for fun
static pilot
<@264003370589618176> I don't intend to drag any BTS planning into public domain...
Eyooo sorry i just saw it
What do you exactly mean by your question?
cursive root
Eyooo sorry i just saw it
What do you exactly mean by your question?
I'm keeping notes on community consensus as to competitive formats in case later needed, there are some reasonable signs if the week on week ccu keeps up that there may be more of a scene to speak of
and well with SVDACH looking into prize pools judging by that ping just now I'll add to the doc
cursive root
I will cover this happening tomorrow as a user page I think in due time
I didn't with the creator cup in the end because it was apparent a decent fraction of participants weren't enjoying themselves
and for EU https://egl.tv/tournament/8122
cursive root
these patch notes kinda imply there's no foreseeable need for a wiki I'mma be real, I got some curveballs over the festive period so didn't get around to EGL duos in the end but I think with Reliq presumably having interest only in events with which he is affiliated and thus leaving only a couple of potential contributors for everything else, there's no reason to really cover the game's community via LP at least
verbal nova
I blocked Mika for various reasons, but I think I need to clarify a couple of things for the sake of my own sanity here.
The patch notes are absolutely fine. They are disappointing in their opinion and not reflective of the wider audience at large which has seen growth globally according to Theorycraft data which includes the Asia region - this being data not included on Steam CCU before we bring up that broken horse of an argument.
I’ve actually prepped pages for both EGL Squad events due to happen this month aa they pertain to squads and, thus, is relevant data to the primary competitive game mode.
I just hope they get enough teams for me to go ahead and make the page.
We should have a much better idea by then if this thing is headed up or down.
cursive root
the end of the patch notes discussed decision making focussed upon the "new and solo players" which is the other end of the spectrum from organised play, I am agreeing with you chief
verbal nova
Then stop sounding like a miserable sod about everything LOL
cursive root
I didn't realise you were still upset over I assume the conversation regarding OP.GG? (at least, this is what I can only infer from our DM history unless something happened after that point) but I have no need to dramatise on that front, I'm just saying for now we evaluate the resources this community already uses rather than going directly to wiki markup
verbal nova
You are truly an unpleasant person.
Unbelievable lol
I’m just going to go back to ignoring you. You’ll never learn.
cursive root
OK... I'm sorry man I am genuinely in the dark here, regardless I was going to propose using document formatting that the NA scrim Discord might be more familiarised with at this point is all, at least I'm considering going that route for again, EGL and maybe SUPERVIVERS depending on how public they try to be
cursive root
speaking of, we have essentially a full format lock for SUPERVIVE's largest open prize pool yet ($600) although seems not much in the way of socials for citations, if they can establish a rulebook prior to commencing I might get this up in an online capacity rather than personal notation
cursive root
I have left this page in a bare bones fashion because I believe it may hold a historical significance in retrospect if the game ever gets back on its feet, and looking at the Battlerite wiki they were tracking tournaments of similar notability in their own early stages way back when https://liquipedia.net/apexlegends/User:Reidthesloth/SUPERVIVE/SUPERVIVERS/arena-tourney-1#Results
cursive root
looks like EU's potentially going ahead for EGL, will have to dig up those duos results from last month for a page methinks 👀
cursive root
EGL EU for this month (playing with a sub is pain but anyway keeping the results here for documenting later)
will do the same for NA once they're done
cursive root
North America games in order likewise
cursive root
arena scene draft resource https://alzuri.github.io/supervive-arena-draft/
will be reporting on the $638 "Covy Clash" prize pool if streamed also
cursive root
arena scene draft resource https://alzuri.github.io/supervive-arena-draft/
I will be keeping an eye on BestieInSlot's arena tournament which is experimenting with this draft
cursive root
I blocked Mika for various reasons, but I think I need to clarify a couple of th...
I am not expecting a response to this nor does anyone need to, but seeing as both contributors seem to have arrived at the same consensus as of today I will leave this context here if anyone else stumbles into this community at a later point
tardy vessel
Heya all, as you might've seen per the latest announcement, you can now work on a project in the #lab wiki! This way you can look to create the start of this wiki.
Please check the latest #announcements message announcement and video to get a full grasp on the lab wiki and how to start a project. Feel free to ping me if you need any help!
dreamy moon
Heya all, as you might've seen per the latest announcement, you can now work on ...
I will only check for a cookie
rough pumice
X
cursive root
yeah changes have been more than a bit controversial for competitive players :/
rough pumice
yeah changes have been more than a bit controversial for competitive players :/
why is that?? 👀
cursive root
why is that?? 👀
They added this weird new metaprogression system where you have to re-unlock the contents of the in-match shop every season, imagine if every 3 months in DOTA the entire secret shop catalogue was slowly given to you via loot boxes after each game
rough pumice
ooh damn
tardy vessel
Heya, doing a check-in since on the lab the wiki is progressing well. How's the future of supervive's competitive scene looking atm? (E.g is there still interest, are there enough upcoming tournaments, are there any hints if there will be an "official" circuit)
cursive root
Playerbase is receding at quite a significant rate and 1.0 a lot of people argued was a middle finger to the idea of being a serious competitive game
I don't think TC have ever expressed interest in anything official either
tardy vessel
@kindred herald (Assuming Im tagging the right person)
For prizepools; if its a cash prize, please don't use freetext, but the supported usdprize or localprize parameters:
(E.g https://liquipedia.net/lab/index.php?title=SUPERVIVE/SNS/EU/October&action=edit§ion=5)
THe full prizepool documentation can be found here
Otherwise the prizepool would not actually award the prizing properly ^^
kindred herald
Yup that's me
will correct it, thanks for the heads up 🫡
Also, do you know about a way I could use to display total points, placement points and kill points in a bracket match whithout detailling points game per game ? I don't have access to per-game stats anymore so it feels kinda lackluster to only display total points
For example in this section https://liquipedia.net/lab/SUPERVIVE/SNS/EU/October#Overall_standings, i used |score= but could not figure a way to write placement and kill points separately
tardy vessel
Ah you mean as 2 columns just for Kill pojnts and placement point?
That's currently not supported
kindred herald
okay thanks :)
covert sun
Heyo, i saw this game and it seems very interesting. How much of a competitive scene does this have? Especially in EU and NA
cursive root
it's had a somewhat stable scrim scene but not what it once was
a few months ago they pushed a really tone deaf metaprogession system for the '1.0' update and lost a lot of good will with the playerbase and while they have reverted the grind involved they are still stuck with a weird resulting gameplay flow so it's just been a smaller few hanging on
covert sun
a few months ago they pushed a really tone deaf metaprogession system for the '1...
oof :(
kindred herald
HELLO ! Please don't listen to someone that doesn't follow the scene :) I'm the current editor maintaining the articles for SNS, a series of tournaments that are ongoing weekly for EU and NA, with tiers and cash prize and so on
If you want to have more details, I can link you the discord @covert sun
By the way @dreamy moon or @tardy vessel, since I add the tourneys on a weekly basis, the main page will need a weekly review if you can do it 🥹
rough pumice
damn, game died pretty quickly :/
cursive root
honestly was surprised it wasn't a few months prior but respect for the studio itself not shuttering outright, I just hope their next project builds upon learnt lessons given even the slightest concerns about methodology was met with hostility it felt like
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