Nerf Billy

[brave sigil]

I believed that all the people agree that, Billy is too strong. It has too many merits and zero drawbacks. It's quick assault and super far denfsive range make it unusual powerful.

It gradually become more and more people using it and has no way to counter. It is really frustrating to face it. Nerf it please, it is still strong despite 1 movement.

CUT DOWN BILLY MOVEMENT TO 1.

[uneven salmon]

If Billy had 1 movement it would basically be a Sentinel.

[brave sigil]

It is still better able to use two action to move 2 tiles and hit, like most 6 keys shooter.

It has 3 tiles defensive range by move, hit and then retreat.(he has 4 tiles range now.)

And he can make 3 hits in a big fight when the enemy comes voluntarily

I don't think it is what a mere Sentinel can do so much.

[turbid jackal]

My nightmare

Billy stay the best

[tidal kayak]

I absolutely think billy is super duper op, but in my opinion I would prefer to see a health nerf instead of a movement nerf, maybe even lower the damage a little tiny bit. Some people spent like $100 on it and I feel like it could still retain its strengths but being a bit easier to deal with if the health was reduced so that you'd be more likely to kill it a bit easier without making the card feel too weak for its cost

[brave sigil]

I don't consider $100 is the reason to ruin the game, and I didn't buy it for I believe a coming nerf in the future.

First, a snipe range over snowball and jar cannon is intolerable and too strong.
Second, Billy has 4 defensive range , which is farther than in occlus and Chuck, if we don't reduce its movement.

[tidal kayak]

no doubt billy is literally a 4 ranger in disguise lol

[brave sigil]

And as I said, it definitely strong despite less movement. It has fair state similar to klepto, 3 denfsive range or at most 3 shots, and be able to move 2 tiles away and hit like normal shooter.

[tidal kayak]

When Billy first came out I was actually expecting to be a 1 movement card

I thought that would be the only way to balance it

but of course instead it's ridiculous

[brave sigil]

All people did. 2 movement is ridiculous.

[cyan thorn]

Yeah i agree
#makebilly3movement

[compact herald]

3 movement 3 range 3 hp 3 damage

[uneven salmon]

I am vaguely interested in Billy moving to 7 keys if he proves too strong.

[brave sigil]

I think it is still strong despite it was 8 keys.

4 rangers is too op.

[uneven salmon]

One step at a time.

[brave sigil]

I think the first step should be at least 2 more keys or reduce its movement. It is fair enough not to ask 3 more keys.

Think about it, Billy is more tanky than oppsy baby, while having 1 more defensive range as well.

[uneven salmon]

I'm against such drastic changes. Reducing the movement just kills the Phobie in most situations - it's effectively a Sentinel in most situations then. The idea is to retain its design intention while making it less frustrating to experience.

[cyan thorn]

That's too much

[halcyon sage]

One of the first thing I considered as something to nerf is how much he make freeze miserable

[brave sigil]

I don't agree. Billy is killing this game now. And I believed most people consider it should be 1 movement before it was released like me. Reduce its movement is a fair balance. It is too broken for a 4 ranger in this game.

We need some drastic balance sometimes. Supposed that we have a 10000 HP phobies, you definitely won't say 7000 HP reduction is too drastic for its ridiculous state. We keep Billy's designe only for 3 actions, not for its movements.

[halcyon sage]

He can instant unfreeze a frozen allie 4 tile away

I'm more of the side of reducing is movement to 1

Changing is key will just get rid of some problem but will still have some left unchecked

If we make I'm more expensive of course you make him lose consistency but he would still be way too efficient in most case scenario

And overall you also make him still able to always snipe 6 tile from vault if you let is movement like it is

Some people proposed the three move to be an ability, either like werewolf or skinwalker, not a bad idea in itself but werewolf way is kind of better to me.

[uneven salmon]

You're welcome to your opinion.

[brave sigil]

Exactly. Our devs sometimes design some stupid and broken phobies, sovel, fantome, Billy, and holiday. (More frequently in recent time) I don't want to pay for their foolishness and always keep the ridiculous design. Like if we have a new phobies with 4 attack range, it can't be solved by add the keys for Chuck is also 9 keys yet 3 range.

[uneven salmon]

I think that Billy, along with Plaid, should have a 1 turn lock on their basic attacks to deal with this.

[halcyon sage]

Not dev fault, it's more balancing team fault, especially since they didn't made a balance patch to have more time to "balance" new phobie.

[halcyon sage]

Simple but efficient. Would be a good starter to make him more reasonable

[brave sigil]

I don't feel Plaid being too strong to need a nerf. It's sudden assault is annoying but occasionally. And I think this is Plaid's feature.

[brave sigil]

Uh, yeah.

[uneven salmon]

You probably just own Plaid and not Billy. lol

[halcyon sage]

I mean the only despicable thing about plaid is that

But it make for a lot of pain

[brave sigil]

I haven't get any UR a year, except skinwalker I bought.

[halcyon sage]

It is way more different when you go from a 5 tile single target snipe to a full electric aoe snipe over wall

[brave sigil]

Don't mentioned it, I am already sad enough.

[halcyon sage]

Honestly Billy as so much to be fixed about because he so good in so many way and whit way too much consistency that he unbearable to play.

[uneven salmon]

Anyway, it's a huge exaggeration to say Billy is "killing the game" - most people don't have him, and those that do mostly have it too low of a level. The game has far more issues than Billy, and Billy probably just needs an attack lock and maybe a key increase to make him a little harder to bring into play.

[halcyon sage]

I see more a movement reduction to be more useful then simply making him more expensive

Or atleast to get rid of way more problem at once

[uneven salmon]

He's just a Sentinel then.

[brave sigil]

That's the reason the game is dying. We have no way to counter and no way to win.

[uneven salmon]

Really uninteresting and adds nothing to the game.

[uneven salmon]

This isn't an issue for 99% of the playerbase.

[halcyon sage]

Shovell and sentinel is way more of an issue right now to be honest.

[uneven salmon]

Exactly.

[brave sigil]

Why not? It is still a perfect Sentinel. And we still can buff it if it was too weak actually.

[uneven salmon]

Because being a Sentinel alternate is not interesting or worth adding to the game at that point.

He would actually get out-harassed by Sentinels. lol

[halcyon sage]

Butcher moment lol

[uneven salmon]

That's awful.

[brave sigil]

It doesn't mean we need a 4 ranger to break this game.

It is the key problem, no one has such a long range. And Billy's state is similar to Klepto. It sacrifice too little for a powerful ability.

[uneven salmon]

Hence the appeal of 7 keys, assuming he needs a change.

[brave sigil]

It still overwhels oppsy baby despite 7 keys.

And it never solved the problem of being a 4 ranger, Chuck only has 3 even though it is 9 keys.

[cyan thorn]

hopeloy casually sitting with a 28 level billy that has 3K HP: 🗿

i truly feel bad for the unfortunate souls that meet him

[brave sigil]

Everyone feels the same.

[spiral vortex]

I totally agree with other people as I think it's health should be nerfed a little bit not too much like a 100 or a 50 hp , which ever suits better

[turbid jackal]

Yep, thats why i love Hopeloy

[frail gorge]

@brave sigil Ok so I have an idea for a Billy nerf and its to bassically make Billy unable to move after he attacks like if it moved once and attacked it cant move. ( it will still have 3 actions )

[muted chasm]

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[brave sigil]

Sound strange, but yes, this nerf could effectively weaken Billy's power without a distinct state nerf.

[brave sigil]

I hope that it get a nerf it deserves in the coming update.

[halcyon sage]

If they know what they're doing it will get nerfed, and even if it isn't enough it atleast mean it can slowly lose power over time if necessary