#Smooth end game workload and time pressure

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celest pumice
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Hi, I am very concerned with today's Q&A. End game has two problems. One is boring, but the biggest problem is that it is overwhelming. Doing 13 teams worth of 22m dmg is a 6-10h workload with time pressure in a single day.

This has to be smoothed out. The work load on the 2nd month is much more reasonable, we do 3 teams in a week and than one more team every week, this is well implemented.

Same thing for the 6 teams for the big boss in a day, that's overwhelming as well.

The workload issue is a much bigger of a issue than being boring.

I really hope this gets addressed.

smoky temple
muted phoenix
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We've been saying this for a while, hopefully they'll realize it before it's too late.

celest pumice
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Is there some followup on the suggestion showing they are under evaluation or on the roadmap?

stark perch
rigid goblet
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Making the goblin dungeon into a goblin boss would help here too. Nowhere in this game you need several dps to pass. This makes early ressource coordination messy and time consuming since you mostly want to build for dungeons not for several dps.

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Also the goblin dungeon is a total mess. Sometimes they stack perfectly and sometimes they just run past the front unit ??

hoary root
celest pumice
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Well, here we are in s3 and nothing happenened. 15 teams to be done in day one and 15 repetitive time consuming and boring fight after that.

stable remnant
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From a very active player who also spends some cash on the game I became a casual player who forces himself to play. The endgame is tragically boring and time consuming. As a working man, I don't have time at work to mess with this event, because making these teams require a bit of testing and a whole lot of planning, and after work I'm just too tired as it is not rewarding enough and definitely not fun to do. I like pillars, 3 teams that u need to modify depending on the enemies, this is not it...

upper lynx
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I think the entire thing needs to be reworked , if they let you build these teams slowly it still will be a bad design, makes no sense for seasonal ladder competition then at all since everyone will be able to get max points , the entire otherworld literally needs to go into a trashcan and they need to make an entire new end game

stable remnant
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I'm not sure if you're sarcastic here or not, but i wouldn't miss the endgame if it just got cancelled today.

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i'd rather they added more pillar stages with some kind of limitations, or obstacles on the map or w/e else, there's been so many good suggestions in this forum that weren't used...all they would need to do is to listen and experiment.

scarlet mirage
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Wouldn't it just be easier in the long run if they just changed it to a ranking system and had a rank for each of the bosses? like chief challenge but a little more in depth. will reduce teams needed by over half and make it more competitive...rather then building a large amount of teams and running them everyday, we just build 6 teams (Like endgame boss) and put it to the test against other people.

smoky temple
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Because now you just need to do 15 22M attacks

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If you add a ranking system, it will take even more time to optimize runs and so on.

scarlet mirage
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but once a week?, 6 teams? over 15 teams a day? feels like it would be alot easier

smoky temple
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It would be similar to the Final Boss, and it is already too demanding...

smoky temple
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In my case, I definitely prefer the current system.

scarlet mirage
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I s'pose to each their own. The only reason 15 teams is done right now though because its supposed to help with rank sorting. but everyone has 15 teams on day 1 now anyway, so theres no real reason to be doing it from my perspective

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it's just bloated content thats outdated

smoky temple
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With that things would change

scarlet mirage
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It needs to be more like 50m. but that deffinetly would help

smoky temple
# scarlet mirage It needs to be more like 50m. but that deffinetly would help

Let me explain, remove the reward from 200k dmg... They really think that in S3 there is someone who only can do that one?

Let them add one to 35M and adjust the current rewards to those new brackets.

By simply adding 35M people would have to think more to build teams and an important sieve would be noticed. And if you see that that is not enough, remove the 3M one and add one at 50M.

I also have to say that, since OW has arrived, I have cut 40 positions in Clepsydra, so yes, there are people who do not have 15 teams yet.

scarlet mirage
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Must be server based then, our server was done moving at day 2 hahaha

fleet onyx
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Doesn’t matter what they do someone is going to not like it. They could make it weekly, increase difficulty, and increase rewards, and people will complain that there’s not enough to do each day. They can make it easier, and make it daily, and people will say it’s too much to do.

stable remnant
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Well, right now we have a system that's annoying for almost everybody. Why not make a system that only annoys some ppl? Make it fun and challenging and not p2w and boring.

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If u add more challenge, active players, smart players and whales will still come up on top. No need to abuse our rosters to the brim and make us waste tons of time daily.

fleet onyx
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Frankly there is nothing forcing you to make 15 teams or do 15 attacks to begin with. If you don’t want to put that much effort in, then don’t. You will just fall down the ranking over someone that does, and rightfully so. Not everything needs to be turned into easy mode participation trophies.

stable remnant
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Making 15 teams that do 22 mln of DMG in season 3 is easy mode, it's just time consuming and boring. That's a copy paste, not innovative, filler content that they force us to do. If u don't do it there's literally nothing else to do.

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Its like u'd u say, they don't force u to play the game, u can just not play to begin with.

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The only effort it is, is that it takes time to lvl all of these characters, hence we need to do MORE goblin, which is what this game is, it's 90% goblin and then u go to the endgame and what do u do? More goblin to make 15 teams, you really think this is solid gameplay?

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If u are a low spender u can't even do other dungeons bcuz u have to keep in mind u need insane amounts of XP potions to not fall off in the endgame. Is it fun to spend cash on stamina? No.

fleet onyx
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Not everything needs to be insert credit card and autocomplete. Game needs something to grind otherwise it’s not a game at all. And stamina can hardly even be purchased so don’t pretend like whales have some kind of extreme stamina advantage because that’s simply not true at all.

stable remnant
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Throughout the season if you buy stamina vs you don't buy it, the difference is absolutely massive, not sure if you're playing the same game as the rest of us. Also why do you manage to miss everything I said and somehow claim that I focus on using the credit card everywhere?
This event is p2w, to get to the point of having a massive roster, you can get there with swiping, same with the stamina. The difficult part is to sacrifice a lot of time to just run goblin and then match teams to do the silly 22 mln which is not hard to do, it's just boring.

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Grinding stamina in this game is like I said the majority of the content ATM, and this is not my take on it, this is something the devs know about and somehow fail to fix in 3 seasons.

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And ye if u think it's a fun game to just triple star goblin 3 until your battery dies young, then I guess it's pointless to argue with ya.

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No drops, no RNG, just XP potions, man, exciting stuff!!!

scarlet mirage
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Theres many f2p players that got 15 teams on day 1, they bought the 60 stamina everyday for gems and that was enough. they didn't waste time on trying to farm gear until double drops came. I also did the same thing on S1 as a f2p player and managed to get top 150 just fine, so i wouldn't say this event is p2w at all, in fact the bosses are so easy that i have rare / epic combos that 2 man the boss themselves....This season is probably the most f2p friendly out of any of the seasons. I think just because its p2w for you, doesn't mean it is for everyone else. and vice versa i suppose. I would also like to point out....p2w is like 10$ a month in this game lol, it's not exactly like you need to throw down 400$ every month. If you want a top 300 spot all you gotta do is literally buy the gem pack monthly, it's really not that bad. 10$ a month i think is adequate support for developers on a mobile game as well. They don't have enough options in the store to make the game p2w yet

stable remnant
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Your comment makes no sense, u cannot guarantee any spot because each server is different, and mine is really strong atm. Also it's not "p2w for me", it's just p2w overall as spending cash gives u a better roster and more stamina (im doing well, i have 15 teams with 22 mln) but some ppl don't play the way you do, aka save everything, have crappy gear whole season just to farm it when the extra % appears (again not me, i save most of my stamina). Thing is, you gotta see past your own experience and imagine that the health of the game depends on the enjoyment of the entire community and not just YOU. And the general disapproval of the endgame is prolly more like 80% to 20% or more. Endgame is boring, completely lackluster of any fun, and it's just goblin grind, because like all of u said above it is easy for most active players to get 15 teams going. So i ask you, where's the fun in that? I don't even feel like doing this as it is time consuming and doesn't reward me as a player for doing anything better than an everage joe with the same amount of 22 mln teams.

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IF the way you see fun is just to grind the same dungeon for the entire season, and then grind the same bosses with the same teams in the same exact way as any other active player, well...we have nothing to talk about.

scarlet mirage
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You didnt read what i said did you?

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You're spouting ideals, not conversations.

scarlet mirage
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Look, I get you're heated for whatever reason. I think maybe you missed the part where I agreed with you about needing smoother workload on endgame and we talked earlier. I don't know what you're so angry at me for. I just pointed out that I don't think end game is purely p2w, it's really not. Theres not enough items in the store to create a p2w environment for this event. That's my point. I get we disagree on that front, but you're just spouting whatver nonsense because you're heated. Go take a break, get a smoke, eat a sandwich, a snickers even. Come back, maybe reread what i said. You'll see we said the same thing about looking at other players experiences. It works in tandem both ways, that was clearly stated. But I don't think that p2w is the primary problem with end game. I don't. Sorry. I don't think it's the majority of players problems either. Which is ironic, because you are only talking about your own point of view...abit hypocritical.

stable remnant
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My own point of view? Do you even watch any of the content creators? i haven't seen one that wouldn't complain about the endgame, have you read the forums? it's filled to the brim with ppl complaining about the endgame. Do i agree with these statements? Yes. Does it mean it's only my point of view? Clearly not. Every event in which you can get an advantage by spending cash is a p2w event. Believe it or not, but if you are just starting out, this event is not as easy as it is for you or i, with nice rosters. Do i think it is a difficult event? No. Do i think you need to spend cash to do well in it? No. Is it p2w? Yes.

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More so, saying it is p2w wasn't the main pillar of my statement, that's why i got heated, because you are grasping at straws, i do not mind if it would be p2w, if i could compete with ppl on my lvl, but the problem with this event is that it is not competetive for ppl who are active. Only newcomers might have issues with it, and thats where the problem lies.

scarlet mirage
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wait, so you dont think you need to spend cash to do well? but its pay to win? Dude, you're hilarious.

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I like you

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tell me more

stable remnant
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why do u only refer to what i said partially?

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yes it is p2w, but not for active players

scarlet mirage
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Because you're just going on a tangent that has nothing to do with me

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XD

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Im gonna bring you to my next christmas party

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You'll be a hit i promise you

stable remnant
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cool, keep quoting me partially

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solid argument

scarlet mirage
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Lol, you're not even talking about anything that i said XD

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You're still just ranting

stable remnant
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no you are, my main point since the start is that the endgame is boring and its just a grind to get enough goblin runs to get 15 teams, and u keep whining about me saying that the event is p2w

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and it is, but not for sum1 with a big roster

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to get 15 teams running u need a ton of goblins and crystals, non-spenders have no chance of doing well here, unless they know what the endgame is from day 1

scarlet mirage
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Look dude, I already answered your question. You just can't read apparently. I told you twice already. Endgame is bad. extraordinarly bad. it needs revision. But it's a farcry from p2w. The content is just bad

stable remnant
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Not sure what question you're talking about i didnt ask you questions, they were rhetorical.

scarlet mirage
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You can't say something is too easy, and then call it p2w. It doesn't work like that.

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Oh my bad, i'll just keep treating it like a ranting lunatic then

stable remnant
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are u reading whole sentences or just parts? i said its p2w for new players

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like 10 times at this point

scarlet mirage
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Totally coming to my christmas party >'-'> i really like you

stable remnant
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and its easy for active players

scarlet mirage
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so the event is p2w because its hard for inactive players only?... is that what you're getting at?

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Well, i mean...if someone doesnt play the game...you would think its hard right?

stable remnant
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by active players i mean, ppl like me who are in season 3

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and play the game, yes

scarlet mirage
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so you are using yourself as a reference. even though you just went on a huge tangent that you cant use your own point of view?

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But your point of view is the correct one? yes?

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Im just trying to get this straight.

stable remnant
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yes by saying "ppl like me" i mean a "grp of ppl" not "an individual" was it hard to understand?

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do u need drawings?

scarlet mirage
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I do

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Please

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I'll frame it on my wall

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I'll get it proffesionally framed for you as well

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"Kaboomek" "The next great politician"

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I'll send it out to get signed

stable remnant
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see, you're the one doing this about me

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keep at it

scarlet mirage
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Doing what? I actually really like you man

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you're just angry and cant have fun

stable remnant
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cool, feeling is mutual

scarlet mirage
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you can't see how rediculous this is

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Thanks man

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Play any other games? wanna hangout?

stable remnant
scarlet mirage
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hahahaha

stable remnant
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we can hang out on that xmas party

scarlet mirage
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The best bro meme

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I love it

stable remnant
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im just messing, its late, and im loving the endgame so much, i decided to do a 180 on it

scarlet mirage
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But in serious man, i have nothing against you. In fact we agree on most talking points. I really do think you're correct in most places. But you do need a better talking point then the content is too easy and p2w. You gotta pick one, because you gave me a huge speech about taking into account the majority of the player base...but then explained to me your point of reference is people like you, and you, that fit in a very particular subgroup. I'm just saying, I think most of your arguments are good. But you're kinda cherry picking there. From one bro to another one. Just think about it a little bit

smoky temple