🐉┆off-topic-chat

[glacial junco]

@rose kiln is this what you need?

[rose kiln]

Maybe gotta install first at home

[glacial junco]

yeah im going to put it on my pc when i get home today

[obtuse pawn]

#1110986393188044950 please all posts in this channel

[unkempt ravine]

En serio abren la beta en Ucrania y no en España? yo lo flipo macho

[obtuse pawn]

@lilac inlet

#💬┆general

[unkempt ravine]

I dont see chanel español

[lilac inlet]

Se puede usar VPN para jugar

[unkempt ravine]

Ah vale gracias, en ingles estará obvio, bueno me sirve para testearlo, gracias de nuevo.

[lilac inlet]

De nada, divertise

[ancient wedge]

I dunno what I want for dinner, but I gotta decide soon before it's too late for dinner, or just not have any.

[whole sigil]

GG @ancient wedge, you just advanced to level 15!

[cold veldt]

https://youtu.be/KCBS5EtszYI

[autumn rover]

I have not received coupon code, if you have a lot, pls share me 😦

[daring surge]

I have some of you want it

[prisma mist]

P_Dlx2ei free adventure rewards for level 5 and lower

[hot meadow]

#generalchat/ anyone on here on PS5? love to get some peeps to play with on there too. Send me a DM and lets exchange PSN ID

[whole sigil]

GG @hot meadow, you just advanced to level 1!

[hot meadow]

did i do tat right

trying to get better at discord

[mellow raft]

Anybody using device with less than 6GB RAM? I’m thinking of buying a cheap tablet to play but cheap is less than 6. Don’t want to waste my money if it’s not gonna work or be very poor

[noble eagle]

Mine has 12g ram, hopefully i dont lagg when i can play the game

[buoyant canyon]

i have stuck my acc help me please admin

[finite aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/it-crowd-hello-it-have-you-tried-turning-it-off-and-on-again-gif-8607749

[timber forum]

dont know whats going on but but gold

[dusk aspen]

Jogo muito bom porém é muito pay to Win sem oportunidade de ganhar um lendário se não usar dinheiro por isso estou fora

[whole sigil]

GG @dusk aspen, you just advanced to level 1!

[autumn rover]

why dont get exp from journey today?

[harsh oar]

Can i also get one? 😓

[daring surge]

Oh you dont get email from them ?

[harsh oar]

No.. and customer service is not cooperative about that

[daring surge]

Check dm

[supple umbra]

do you have any left? I'm in the same boat

[daring surge]

Check dm

[whole sigil]

GG @daring surge, you just advanced to level 17!

[supple umbra]

Thanks, haven't seen any DM come thru yet

[fresh gyro]

did anyone managed to have it running on phone and PC?

how does it work with the QR code?

[finite aspen]

lol game looks shet

[delicate isle]

Is there a reward code I can enter for this game?

[ancient wedge]

Not really, unless you're under journey level 5 or so, in which case there's a small one you can use to bond with another player.

[mossy terrace]

Also if you have pre-registered on the website, then they email you one

[fallen night]

Hi everyone! Anybody knows a gift code?

[ember flume]

Not everyone get the email, i'm pre regist and never get anything, only survey mail with useless reward

[lilac inlet]

None yet

[jolly nacelle]

Check dm

@whole sigil I just level16

[obtuse pawn]

@whole sigil is a bot he doesn't reply

🙂

[jolly nacelle]

😅

[mossy terrace]

I see

[warm torrent]

if you think the survey reward is useless, i have bad news for you, the pre-reg reward was the same thing. Just got 20 wrymarrow instead of 5, lol

[daring surge]

😭

[cloud knot]

[whole sigil]

GG @cloud knot, you just advanced to level 1!

[cloud knot]

[warm torrent]

and so the journey to the top begins again

🫡

[cloud knot]

Oh lord

I hope not

[ember flume]

Lol , Dev so stingy

[proven wind]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10BrK5ADa951IoAvcDTJ4S6I-yHB1ih_eQDzTemg8TYM/edit#gid=1696835206

[whole sigil]

GG @proven wind, you just advanced to level 1!

[stiff delta]

Возможно стоит добавить тирлист команд для данжей? Maybe add a tierlist of commands for dungeons?

[nocturne scarab]

Привет всем ) может кто установочник на ПК скинуть архивом?

[coral plume]

В ютюбе есть

[quartz raft]

Всем привет, сейчас играть на андроиде можно? Код запрашивает

[buoyant kiln]

This document would be awesome in english btw

[quartz raft]

Оо, проксима

Дарова

[lost tundra]

В телеге есть канал, Чертоги Dragonheir, там была ссылка на установщик пк

[lost tundra]

Ссссалют)

[quartz raft]

@lost tundra шо как это чудо поживает, играбельно?))

[lost tundra]

and what if the player does not know English? Let the moderators create a chat for players of different languages

[lost tundra]

Нуу, пока нравится

[quartz raft]

На андроиде можно играть? Какой то код запрашивает

Я б опробовал, авось замена рейду нашлась

[lost tundra]

Можно, у меня без всяких кодов запускается

[buoyant kiln]

You misunderstood me. The Google doc you guys did is a really good document. I just wish there were an english version of it.

[lost tundra]

oops) sorry, I read it wrong and hurriedly) 🤣

[whole sigil]

GG @lost tundra, you just advanced to level 1!

[quartz raft]

Вот это запрашивает
А ты, видимо, уже давно играешь, с збт1

[whole sigil]

GG @quartz raft, you just advanced to level 1!

[quartz raft]

@lost tundra но я апк файл с гуглдиска качал, гайдодел на упубе есть, у него взял
Офф источник есть какой, откуда качать

[lost tundra]

Вообще нет) 😂 только вот с этого теста играю, 4 дня

[quartz raft]

А ты на пк только?

[mint fossil]

О, ты же чел из магикрейда?

[lost tundra]

угу

[lost tundra]

есть такое дело)

[quartz raft]

Все, скачал какой то апк, вроде завелось

[mint fossil]

Коды есть с подарками какие нибудь?

[lost tundra]

Я не видывал

[slim crypt]

@opal island hey bro

[opal island]

Yo

Give me a sec

Ur still in our discord right?

[steel hornet]

@mint fossil@quartz raft@nocturne scarab@coral plume@lost tundra #💬┆драконий-чатик Народ, есть ру канал. Прекращаем флудить в англ разделе.
Спасибо.

[old charm]

Hi

[lost tundra]

Где он?)

[steel hornet]

@lost tundra #💬┆драконий-чатик

[nocturne scarab]

кек )) Да это я сегодня в личку стукнулся попросил установщик )) еще раз спасибо )

[nocturne scarab]

👍 ок принято

[lament drum]

Как но тел загрузить игру?

[proven wind]

с плеймаркета

[finite aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/white-guy-blinking-drew-scanlon-what-whut-wat-gif-15689695

[steel hornet]

@lament drum@proven wind #💬┆драконий-чатик

[unreal rover]

I made these out of fondant in class today thought I’ll share

[cloud knot]

Very pretty

[whole sigil]

GG @cloud knot, you just advanced to level 2!

[ancient wedge]

@keen shore whaling gone mad.

[keen shore]

😂

[iron fog]

im 50 off 22 😦

dont have enough bread

[ancient wedge]

OMG I get to start pre-installing D4 tomorrow. So excited. :D

[finite aspen]

Nice

i still have to buy it

but have not decided yet if it will be worth to play early access

since i work first day of early access and sunday too

only have saturday off

[ancient wedge]

Probably not then, or call in sick. :P

[finite aspen]

haha tomorrow ends my three week vacation

too soon 😛

maybe the week after who knows..

https://tenor.com/view/phoebe-buffay-coughing-choking-funny-gif-7504963

[supple radish]

Ukrainian or russian chats are not here?

[ruby yacht]

Russian

Тир листа ещё нет?

[obtuse pawn]

Russian chats are here

[ruby yacht]

Не понял где это?

[supple radish]

Через поиск каналов.

[steel hornet]

@ruby yacht #💬┆драконий-чатик

[stuck valve]

lol I thought I'd come to the wrong section for a sec

[robust scaffold]

i can, but you have to scroll to the bottom of the channels available and click "Show all"

[lunar thicket]

@wraith compass I'm playing as a dragon

ahahha

I wanted to be a dragon and so be it ahah

a dragon riding a dragon ahaha

love it

[wraith compass]

o.O you know. Taken out of context, this could be very spicy.

But yeah. I saw the new expansion and it didn't really peak my interset. but then again i more or less lost interest in wow back during warlords of draenor.

[lunar thicket]

ahhahahaha I'm just having too much fun as a dragon, they look amazing tbh in the game

[bright harness]

What can the game's namesake hero be used for?

[timber forum]

gift codes please

[steel hornet]

#1110986393188044950

[undone lagoon]

Добрый день застрял на квесте "сбор команды" персонажи есть а квест не засчитывает и невозможно пройти локацию, что делать?

[steel hornet]

@undone lagoon. Добрый вечер.
#💬┆драконий-чатик
В баги писать через гугл/яндекс переводчик, русского никто не знает из девов.
#🐞┆report-chat

[cloud knot]

Nice

@warm torrent

[warm torrent]

Why are there two of him now?

[devout hornet]

Wow

He voiced Glo-bo

[brave lodge]

Boundless of Scopely owned by Savvy but still knows how to make declarations without commitment lol

[timber forum]

the poor good paper 😄

Thats the result.

[ancient wedge]

Couldn't be me tryna dash with spacebar in the overworld on Dragonheir

[ancient wedge]

@stuck valve Even if you happen to be one of the most privileged groups, which it always seems someone is when they claim privilege doesn't exist, there's still privileges that other groups they're not a part of get to have, so to think it straight up doesn't exist is completely absurd.

[stuck valve]

Yeah we share a perspective lol

I could see where that was going though

😂

[buoyant hearth]

I would be interested to know what privilege you think exists though

[stuck valve]

Generational wealth is a huge one

I think there are lots of issues people don't notice because they're not obvious

[buoyant hearth]

as in people have worked hard in the past and that has been passed down through the family?

[ancient wedge]

Being born into a country that doesn't have to use a VPN to get this beta.

[stuck valve]

Yes but the question is where the source of that wealth comes from

Take America

A lot of families can afford to do certain things because of what was done to others, which allows them to pass that wealth down to their kids

But families who lack that background consistently have to financially support their own parents (for example) rather than their parents having their independent finances

There are exceptions -- there always are -- but basically the struggles that people deal with as a result of the past are still there

[buoyant hearth]

but what is privileged about someone having worked hard in the past to provide for there family in the future? Nothing stopping any person of any gender, race, age, ability from doing that

[ancient wedge]

I feel like sometimes you gotta go at these kinds of people with the sort of privileges they DON'T have, like collecting child support if their partner leaves them, or getting to use certain slurs in a non-offensive way.

[stuck valve]

Yes, because racism wasn't that long ago -- it didn't just magically vanish when it was abolished

People could get certain jobs while others couldn't

[buoyant hearth]

but racism happens towards every skin colour

[stuck valve]

Do you genuinely believe

And I'm asking this in a literal sense

That every race experiences the same level of discrimination collectively?

[buoyant hearth]

can check within the last 5 years in Britain, the BBC were promoting jobs that you could only apply for if you were of black skin colour

[stuck valve]

Why did they do this?

And why are they promoting hiring women?

[buoyant hearth]

I think asian people receive the most racism in todays society

[stuck valve]

So you agree that racism is disproportionate?

Not to be antagonistic, but you basically proved what you said earlier to be wrong

And we can trace this back to Covid

But other races still face the same issues

Racism has come to the attention of more people but it hasn't magically vanished because people have gotten tired of hearing of it

And of course there are more issues than just racism

[buoyant hearth]

disproportionate yes but every colour skin experiences it, nobody is exempt so there is no privilege, it isnt a systematic problem, its an individuals problem

[stuck valve]

That's where people disagree -- due to the image of white people, for example, they are generally well-received wherever they go

This is why it's considered a privilege

[buoyant hearth]

one only has to look at the main stream media of todays society, white males are villianised to high hell but they are still considered to be in a privileged position

[stuck valve]

I agree with you there, however I don't think this has a tangible effect within soceity -- it's mostly social media

There's been a trend toward making white people feel guilty for being white, and I think this is morally wrong

But like most things, social media has a big problem right now

[buoyant hearth]

course it has an effect, social media has destroyed modern society as we know it

[stuck valve]

Algorithms focus on controversy and so they magnify things that aren't general consensus

I wouldn't say destroyed: twitter isn't a reflection of the average worldview

People see a lot of these things, get incensed, and think everyone feels that way

It's like how Reddit thought Trump would lose, until he didn't; thye failed to realise that Reddit is a microcosm and people don't necessarily share the views that are most loudly trumpeted on social media

Same with the whole manufactured men / women war thing right now

[ancient wedge]

They still are though. Even in a couple generations when it's no longer old actually-racist white dudes hiring young "innocent" white dudes, there's still the generational wealth thing that creates whole districts.

[buoyant hearth]

I would personally say destroyed, look at this myth of a pay gap, the privilege of men in the work place, research shows that there is no such pay gap and in actual fact women are paid more yet men are considered privileged

the main stream media dictates what 90% of the modern population thinks, they throw out buzz words like racism, privilege, patriacy etc etc and people jump on those buzz words

look at the modern day black washing of mainstream media

[stuck valve]

I think the problem here is believing that all of these views are monolithic

They're many different groups

[buoyant hearth]

the nonsense surrounding pronouns, everyone wants to be a victim nowadays and the mainstream media is promoting that

I mean, did you see the kings coronation in britian recently?

apparently a family that has historically been white and presented themselves on the balcony was too white and this was deemed racist in the mainstream media, the particular actress who called this out had to back track from making such a nonsense statement, everyone wants to be a victim and point out how everyone else has all this privilege but their is nothing stopping a black man from getting the same job as a white man, jsut as there is nothing stopping a woman from getting the same job as a man

everybody in todays society has equal opportunities but nobody wants to admit that because they want privilege from playing the victim

[ancient wedge]

The want what? The thing you don't think exists? :P

[stuck valve]

I think this is a case of confirmation bias -- there's definitely a problem with social media, but the real problem isn't society, it's that there are too many people who shouldn't have a platform now having access to a platform. People prefer controversy to (boring) peace, and so their controversial opinions are what's spread everywhere because it creates engagement

It doesn't negate the actual real problems

For example, that woman who called the royal family too white had to backtrack because she was clearly talking nonsense and failed to realise words have repercussions in the real world

[buoyant hearth]

exactly, it is being artifically created in todays society, I am a victim, I deserve special treatment. No your exactly the same as the person next to you, get on with your life lol

[stuck valve]

Both of those are toxic

The second fails to acknowledge that that simply isn't true

Let me give you an example

[buoyant hearth]

indeed but why did she make those comments? A black woman on national TV, because shes played the victim up until that point and feels she is in a privileged position to be able to say something as stupid as that lol

[stuck valve]

You've got a white guy and a suit or a, I don't know, Ugandan man in Ugandan attire and you've got to trust one with your money. Do you apply the same level of trustworthiness to both?

Why is that?

There's a history behind this that colours your decisions

This is why people say white people are privileged

Their template isn't coloured by preconceptions, because they have a history of being reiable

[ancient wedge]

I definitely trust the white guy in the suit less. Much more likely to be a thief.

[stuck valve]

And why is that?

Generational wealth leads to different behaviours

And where did the wealth come from?

Etc. etc.

[buoyant hearth]

I apply my trust to the person who is most qualified, I dont give a crap about the colour of someones skin

[stuck valve]

You're not helping 😭

[ancient wedge]

You don't know them so you don't know who's more qualified.

[stuck valve]

You might not, but the rest of the world does

[buoyant hearth]

if I dont know them I dont trust either of them then

[stuck valve]

You may as well claim that people aren't racist towards Asian people following Covid

It's just not realistic

[buoyant hearth]

and 99% of the world wont trust either of them

[stuck valve]

The last global punching bag was Arabic people around the time of Al Quaeda / ISIS

[ancient wedge]

You must live in an incredibly small bubble if you always know everyone making your food, your drinks, doing your repairs and other services.

[stuck valve]

The world just isn't fair, and people are biased, and these biases translate to privileges for some and disadvantages out of the gate for others

[buoyant hearth]

my family originates from South Africa as well as Hungry, I have experienced racial abuse, I have seen racial abuse, it was no different aimed at me than it was the person next to me

[buoyant hearth]

yes I do it all myself

[stuck valve]

Then you should know this better than anyone

South Africa is actually the perfect example

It's still ongoing

[wispy valley]

I would choose the Ugandan. Hands down.

[stuck valve]

Blacks causing problems for whites, Whites causing problems for blacks

Depends on the region you go to

[buoyant hearth]

exactly, both cause problems for one another there is no privilege there, its happening to both sides of that argument

take the UFC as a prime example of that right now

[stuck valve]

I don't think there's anything wrong with Ugandans btw, just gotta throw that out there lol -- I just picked a region known for a strong accent that makes them stand out in the West

[stuck valve]

That's just not true though

[buoyant hearth]

A black middleweight champion came out and called a white south african a cracker

he claims it isnt racist, and the white guy is being racist because he said, he actually lives in south african not new zealand like the black guy

one is being racist, one is stating a fact

[stuck valve]

But how does that change anything?

We're not arguing that white people don't experience racism

The point is that given the current distribution of wealth and influence in the world, life is unfair for some

Some groups are privileged while others are not

There will be exceptions within these groups

[buoyant hearth]

but in todays society, the victim mentality that is associated with skin colour has created an artificial privilege for said black person to be openly racist towards a white person, something that as a community they are complaining about happening many many years ago but now the roles are reserved its ok whilst they still go on about racism

[stuck valve]

But it's like saying that humans are mostly male or female is wrong because there are occasionally people with genetic anomalies

[ancient wedge]

Hungry or Hungary?

[stuck valve]

That's where I disagree -- it happens, but it's not socially acceptable

[buoyant hearth]

privilege is a main stream media contruction when they want to tear down a specific group of people

[buoyant hearth]

you know its spelt with an a

[stuck valve]

I'm willing to bet that 99% of the instances you've encountered are online posts

If not 100%

So why assume the world is like social media?

Social media does not reflect real life views

It's all of the hottest takes that generate the most discussion

That's how the algorithms work

Go outside and ask someone on the street and they won't think that crapping on white people is OK

It's obviously racist

[buoyant hearth]

I am not assuming the world is like social media, I am assuming the majority of the worlds population takes the medias word at face value and follow the idealogy it is trying to create by using these buzzwords

[stuck valve]

And that's where I disagree; it's true in some cases (with news about people), but most people aren't blind sheep who believe things that are demonstrably nonsense

You can sway people by stoking their fears but the rest just isn't realistic

[buoyant hearth]

yet I was racially abused when I was younger and people thought it was ok, my white best friend was racially abused and people thought it was ok, I use my own personal experiences as well as what I see people talking about constantly

[stuck valve]

I'm sorry you experienced that

South Africa is known for its racial problems

What they did to you wasn't okay

[buoyant hearth]

its fine, its a part of life, there was no privilege on the abusers behalf nor on the abusee's behalf

[stuck valve]

I can see why social media is a trigger

However I'll stress that those views are not normal views shared by your average person on the street

[buoyant hearth]

they eventually got an adequte punishment for the crime they committed

[stuck valve]

Yeah basically no one should be treated like sh*t

[buoyant hearth]

thats were you are more intelligent than the majority of the average people though

the average person follows blindly celebrity culture

[stuck valve]

It's a subset of society

Trust me

[wispy valley]

I have been personally told that i have white privilege. I fact i was passed up for a position at my old job because of that. It was unfortunate. However, I just decided to move on.

[stuck valve]

It's like being on a train and thinking "these sheep don't think about x"

[buoyant hearth]

if i slow down in my responses its because I am searching arena fights but I will respond! lol

[stuck valve]

Haha

[stuck valve]

I'm sorry

[buoyant hearth]

that happens so much in todays society though, you are white so you instantly have privilege even though you dont so you are then overlooked to provide that very privilege to someone who is classed as not having it yet its artifically been created for them, makes no sense but again goes back to what I was saying about victimhood in todays society, everybody is a bigger victim than the person next to them so they deserve special treatment, privileged treatment

man wheres crime gone? I assume she was trying to make a point about my misspelling because I am typing fast lol

[stuck valve]

I do think privilege exists -- basically it's complicated

Within a society, there are certain people who benefit from the nature of that society

That's just life

BUT

Other factors can mitigate that

I'm not talking about South Africa though

That place is something else 😂

I mean most of the West like America, Britain, Germany, etc.

[buoyant hearth]

privilege in my opinion is artifically created in todays society to turn one section of society against another one

[stuck valve]

It's not though, it has always existed

It's human nature

[ancient wedge]

All war is class war.

[stuck valve]

Privilege is just the word we use to describe the benefits of being part of the most influential group

[wispy valley]

I'm actually not upset about the fact that i wasn't offerd the position. Its the fact that they told me to my face that i was privileged due to my skin color.

[stuck valve]

They sound very... tacky

[ancient wedge]

It can also be very contextual as I was pointing out before. Simply being part of "the most influential group" still leaves one lacking certain forms of privilege.

[buoyant hearth]

but how did the influential group get into that position? They had to either work hard, fight a war or as we see in todays society play the victim constantly

[ancient wedge]

It's still all based around general inequality and unfairness that we've constructed in our society.

[stuck valve]

That's not true though

They got their by inventing guns and invading other nations

Other places were exploited

Some places screwed themselves

[buoyant hearth]

ok so someone engaged their brain and created a weapon

= working hard

someone started a war for whatever reason

[stuck valve]

Yes but when you go elsewhere and conquer other people

[buoyant hearth]

=survival of the fittest

[stuck valve]

Is the world fair or not?

You're contradicting what you said before

[buoyant hearth]

no but the world isnt fair for anyone

[stuck valve]

That's an oversimplification that removes the nuance in this

The world isn't that simple

The world isn't fair for anyone, but the world is more unfair for some than others due to the events of the past

I hope this isn't a trigger (?) but you experienced some of the afterefects of the resentment sowed by Apartheid

There's lots of unresolved hatred

And it echoes and echoes

[buoyant hearth]

who is the world fair for? I dont see any immortals living in paradise on this god forsaken planet, everyone suffers at some point or another

[buoyant hearth]

isnt this what I have been saying though? "I am a bigger victim than you, you are privileged" 🤣

[stuck valve]

By this logic, there's no difference between having your arm cut off and being set on fire because you're both suffering

There are *degrees *of suffering

The world in its current state is harder for some than others

If you want to do x, there are certain obstacles some face that others do not

[ancient wedge]

Also the ones living in paradise don't want you to see them doing it and invest a lot of money into hiding it and keeping you distracted.

[buoyant hearth]

but who is this current world hard for? everyone has equal opportunities unless your a white male atm

[stuck valve]

That's just not true though

[ancient wedge]

There it is, now he's saying white men have it hardest. XD

[stuck valve]

I don't believe that you genuinely feel that this privilege doesn't exist, rather I think that you dislike the state of affairs where some people aren't being challenged for holding unreasonable views

Basically white people get crapped on without social repercussions, which is unfair

That's a separate issue that society needs to address

[buoyant hearth]

based upon what I said thus far, main stream media constantly attacking white males etc, yet they still have the same opportunities as the next guy unless your applying for a job at the BBC

labour MP Diane Abbot, American chat show host Whoopy Goldberg both inthe last 6 months made comments about how jews didnt suffer racism, only black people have suffered racism....... which we all know is untrue but again comes back to the "I am a bigger victim than you, give me special treatment" comment I made

[ancient wedge]

Do you think maybe they adopted that policy after doing some data analysis and finding that they have an absurdly disproportionate number of white males already employed in their workforce? Would you go so far as to claim that perhaps the reason that was the case is that other groups just aren't smart enough or hardworking enough to get a job in the BBC?

[stuck valve]

And you saw what happened to them

Because what they said isn't okay

Whoopie got dropped by ABC

[buoyant hearth]

indeed whoopy doubled down on her comments not twice, not thrice but 4 times she doubled down on them saying that white on white attacks cannot possibly be racism

[stuck valve]

She got fired

Because people don't share this belief

It was racist

[buoyant hearth]

and nothing happened to her except a short and I mean very short leave of absence

[stuck valve]

That's what I'm saying; just because these guys say it doesn't mean everyone else agrees

[wispy valley]

But shouldn't we be trying to end racism and discrimination. This just feeds to the fire and division, imo.

[buoyant hearth]

she had a 2 week suspension

and came back and made the exact same comments a year later and nothing happened lol

but will talk about male privilege until the cows come home

will talk about white privilege until the cows come home

[stuck valve]

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/tony-massarotti-suspended-985-the-sports-hub-racially-insensitive-comment/

One week

[ancient wedge]

There is actually some historical doubt about the "jews were slaves in Egypt" thing based around some evidence that suggests they were skilled paid laborers and mercenaries at the time, but anyone who denies the holocaust is a total nutbag.

[buoyant hearth]

privilege to me is an artifical construct made by the main stream media to turn society against itself so we never look at the bigger issues because we are too busy fighting amongst ourselves

[buoyant hearth]

her comments were about the holocaust

[stuck valve]

I don't agree, inequality exists

[buoyant hearth]

which was racially driven but she played down because whites cant be racially discriminated against, its just two sets of people who dont like each other apparently

[stuck valve]

class, race, gender, sexuality, environmental, etc. all of these are factors that stack

Each comes with its own ups and downs

Some are more noticeable than others

It's just not believable to say that these are non-factors

That's not to say there aren't outliers with issues that cancel out benefits -- for example, a poor white family -- but a poor black family would realistically be worse off because they would deal with more racism and locations where they simply can't live or get jobs

Take a black family moving to china vs a white family

Do they both experience racism?

Yeah

But negativity and mockety in mainland china is going to be skewed toward the black family

That's just one aspect

If the world was the way you're saying it is it'd be a utopia

[buoyant hearth]

I personally dont care about this, I used to do the interviews for my workplace, if you had worked hard, were qualified for the role and showed me in your behaviours during said interview you were capable of performing the job to a high standard I didnt care who you were, you got the job

[stuck valve]

But does the fact that you don't care mean others don't?

You may as well argue that nobody cared 50 years ago

The racism isn't rational, but it exists

And it's a problem

People haven't suddenly become saints just because you're a fair guy

[buoyant hearth]

I havent said racism doesnt exist though? In fact I said everybody suffers from racism but thus far your discussion has revolved around who experiences it worst...... which comes back to what I have said "I am a bigger victim than you, I deserve special treatment"

[stuck valve]

Take America, people didn't give a damn about what black people had been complaining about with police violence (if you just obeyed them it'd be okay!) until the police turned on everyone else during the protests, and it came out that holy shi*t, these guys are out of control and a fair number of precincts are basically gangs

[stuck valve]

Some people are bigger victims, and as a result more drastic measures are needed

[buoyant hearth]

when people stop trying to play the bigger victim then society as a whole will move forward and these issues will be properly addressed but as I have been saying the mainstream media (which isnt social media as you have decided) convinces people to turn against one another and ignore the bigger issues

[stuck valve]

These problems are not mutually exclusive

You're acting like everything is a farce and none of it's real

Which just isn't true

Where there's smoke there's fire, and the truth here lies somewhere inbetween both extremes

[buoyant hearth]

the racial abuse suffered by a black man is no worse than the racial abuse suffered by an asian man which is no worse than racial abuse suffered by a white man, its racism at the end of the day, its not acceptable so why do select individuals feel the need to continually make out that there problem is worse than others

[stuck valve]

again, that's just not true

there are degrees of racism

there are more chinese and black people suffering from racism than whites

individual cases may be mroe or less extreme, but collectively, the different groups are targetted different amounts

[buoyant hearth]

oh so until the numbers equalise the racial abuse for those is worse?

[stuck valve]

well if it's a bigger problem it's a bigger problem

literally

all of them need to be addressed

[buoyant hearth]

no, until the racism stops full stop its the same problem for all of them

[stuck valve]

you keep oversimplifying the nature of the problem lol

we all know racism needs to go

privilege is one of a thousand aspects

[buoyant hearth]

but as I said, "I am a bigger victim than you, my problem is worse than yours, give me privilege conditions"

[stuck valve]

that's one of a thousand aspects

[buoyant hearth]

racism towards anyone is wrong, its a problem but to state that its a bigger issue towards one colour of people than another is part of the problem, it isnt, its wrong full stop, there is no privileged position because more of a select colour are abused but that is the argument, more of colour X is being abused, so colour Y is in a more privileged position, no both sides experience it, neither side should experience it, nobody is in a privileged position because of it

[stuck valve]

I can see what you're getting at

So you don't like it being framed as privileged vs degrees of disadvantage

[buoyant hearth]

its wrong full stop, nobody should experience it but as I say, half the people who havent even experienced it themselves but are a certain colour like to play the victim to get into an artificial position of privilege which we are seeing in todays society, racism is wrong but nobody experiences it worse than anyone else as a whole, sure individual cases can be extreme but this whole victim mentality needs to change and people need to join together instead of playing the "I am a bigger victim" game

time for a smoke, slow replies ma dude

[stuck valve]

again, as someone in London surrounded by many races, I don't see this on a day to day basis and I think this is a view created by social media that does not reflect real life

like at all

there are people coming out trying to exploit things but again, they are not the mainstream

[buoyant hearth]

my town has plenty of different nationalities in it, I see racism towards black people on the daily but the worst racism I see is towards the Polish from other white people

[buoyant hearth]

BBC news a couple of weeks ago and in the papers, black gent went for a job interview at one of the posh hotels, I forget its name, but he took it through the telly box and the courts because their dress policy was racist apparently, because although everyone else has to cut there hair to look smart of a high end establishment he shouldnt have to because he is black...... like wtf

privilege created by using racism

[stuck valve]

These are anecdotes, though

How often do you think this happens IRL?

It made news because it's so bizarre

It was added specifically because it's incitive enough to seed debate and increase viewer retention

So I'd be careful not to let these grow resentment in you

[buoyant hearth]

personally I dont care, I only watched that because I am at my dads waiting for my property purchase to go through otherwise I do not watch any mainstream media

like at all

I refuse to even own a TV

[clear dune]

https://tenor.com/view/whats-going-on-wtf-is-gif-14892542

[stuck valve]

That could be good for your mental health but I also think it's important to stay abreast of different perspectives to avoid having your mind skewed by personal tunnel vision or any group (left / right wing)'s propaganda

[buoyant hearth]

Not much man, me and john are just chatting shit

[clear dune]

Racism debatin is never far away

So sounds about par for the course

[buoyant hearth]

I tend not to even engage in it, I just play games (I am classed as disabled) I try to enjoy my life instead of being dragged into the shitstorm that the modern mainstream media tries to create around everything to deflect your attention from the actual important matters

[clear dune]

I remember years ago before I had my own stores when I was selling cars at a ford dealership, some customer came in for me and they were black. I was out back pulling a car out of three rows stuck behind others, my GM called me and said they wanted to work with Eddie, a black salesperson instead because he was black. He chuckled and said “yeah it’s like some reverse racism”

I said no Brad, it’s just racism

To this day I still think about that when people bring up white folks and act like they can’t or don’t ever experience, as if when it’s against white people it’s not “real” racism

Still find it ironic. Because all racism is bad racism

But que sera, sera

[buoyant hearth]

And that's exactly the problem, it's not deemed racist behaviour by the majority so it isnt classified as being bad when in actual fact it's the exact same as racism and it is bad, "I am a bigger victim than you" is the mentality I've been referring to

[stuck valve]

I feel like a broken record but like I said, racism exists for everyone. The point here is that people are trying to address certain underlying societal problems that cause it to crop up more consistently for certain groups. Is racism a daily concern for white people? The answer is (almost always) no; it happens but it's not something they will reasonably expect to encounter as an obstacle (excluding certain areas, like parts of South Africa). That isn't true for other races. This is why it's being targetted -- it's a more acute problem for certain demographics, and until the underlying problems are fixed it will remain acute. It doesn't mean that the other problems don't exist or that they aren't equally valid, it's more of a matter of people dealing with the raging wildfire vs the contained fire in your backyard

And social media just does not help, as it thrives off controversy and just keeps feeding it

[buoyant hearth]

But that's the thing, in todays society white people can expect to be discriminated against on a daily basis, historically maybe not but that certainly is no longer the case in todays society

[stuck valve]

Is it white people being discriminated against, though, or intervention to correct an institutional disadvantage to other groups?

If the scales were imbalanced, how can tilting them back to a normal state be considered discrimination?

Do you see where I'm coming from?

[buoyant hearth]

Check out the latest racism shitstorm, netflix and their "documentary" on Cleopatra and the black washing of an historical figure who is known to be of Greek Macedonian heritage. The actors and director are accusing the entire Egyptian nation of being racist because "I am a bigger victim than you"

[stuck valve]

The entire internet came together to tear them a new asshole lol

This is an example of the opposite

That they couldn't get away with it

Just look at the reviews

They were utterly destroyed

[buoyant hearth]

Because change has happened over many many years already, people like to cling to the past like it's still happening now but it isnt, a select few individuals who are racially motivated do not represent an entire demographic of people

[stuck valve]

You don't seem to acknowledge the fact that people are still experiencing the effects

[buoyant hearth]

And good because they are trying once again in todays society to play the victim but it's been going on for too long now and people are starting to push back against the cultural appropriation

[stuck valve]

This was 60 years ago

Not some other timeline

[buoyant hearth]

What some bodies grandmother experienced isnt what is happening today though

[stuck valve]

Yes, it is

You should have noticed it living in South Africa

Our world is different but it's not that easy to erase the problems

[buoyant hearth]

That is in the past, continually bringing up the past is what is causing these issues to drag on

[stuck valve]

The past literally led to the present

This isn't ancient Rome

60 years ago was right around the corner

Your parents were there for it

[buoyant hearth]

Indeed nor is it the 1960s anymore

[stuck valve]

It's not like it's the Victorian era

Yes, and yet the people who lived through it and were shaped by it are still alive right now

Many in positions of power

It was not that long ago

You're acting like the world magically changed overnight

And all the systemic racism set up just vanished

It didn't

People are trying to course-correct, which is the reason for all these programs

It hasn't been fixed yet

[buoyant hearth]

No the world has gradually changed over time, back then black people were segregated, are they still now?

[stuck valve]

Even you don't believe that racism just went poof

[buoyant hearth]

A course change doesnt happen by using racism to fight racism

[stuck valve]

They changed the laws, did they change the racists?

South Africa is full of it

[stuck valve]

It's not using racism to fight racism

It's using the law to readjust things to fight racism

[buoyant hearth]

No they didnt change the select individuals who are racist and you never will but those individuals are on every side not just one

But as I said those select individuals are not representative of an entire demographic of people

[stuck valve]

I agree with that, but the problem is that many are in power and created the situations that exist right now

The systems that remain

That's what people have been counteracting

Distrubtion of wealth gives certain groups disproportionate power within society

People hiring and promoting people like them, because they relate to them

It's to break it all up

[stuck valve]

I agree with this

But it's not to punish white people, it's to give others an "in"

There's a relevant saying here: "when you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"

[buoyant hearth]

They are counteracting systemic racism that doesnt exist in todays society because everybody has equal opportunities by using racism to fight something that happened 60+ years ago because they cling to the past "I am a bigger victim than you"

[buoyant hearth]

Everybody has an in already in todays society

[stuck valve]

No, they do not

[buoyant hearth]

You work hard you get where you want to be

[stuck valve]

You may as well go to Japan and claim that everything's fair for outsiders because we're in 2023

It's not

[buoyant hearth]

Not always but working hard gets you places

[stuck valve]

You just haven't experienced it

It does, but knowing the right someone gets you further faster

[buoyant hearth]

I know white people in japan and korea who have extremely good lifestyles

[stuck valve]

How does that change anything? It doesn't mean there's not systemic discrimination against outsiders

Same with the West

[buoyant hearth]

👆

[stuck valve]

https://www.publicbooks.org/why-does-japanese-society-overlook-racism/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/31/japan-racism-survey-reveals-one-in-three-foreigners-experience-discrimination

It's not even a secret

[buoyant hearth]

Mainstream media articles?

[stuck valve]

Even the Japanese admit it

[buoyant hearth]

Do I need to refer back to what I was saying about the main stream media and the narrative they portray?

[stuck valve]

Scholarly journal:

https://academic.oup.com/ssjj/article-abstract/20/2/328/3972181

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00113921231166146

It's not a secret

I'm not sure why you can't accept that racism is still a modern problem

60 years isn't enough

We didn't even start trying properly until about 15 years ago

[buoyant hearth]

I've said about 6 times in this conversation that it is a problem but you wont acknowledge it's a problem for everybody

[stuck valve]

I've already acknowledged it's a problem for everybody -- what I've said is that the nature and severity varies, and that's why it's being dealt with through differing means

[buoyant hearth]

You keep saying it's worse for group A than it is for group B when it isnt, people still suffer from racism regardless and it's a problem regardless

[stuck valve]

It IS

[buoyant hearth]

2 black people experience it, 1 white person experiences it, 3 Asian people experience it, it isnt any worse for any of those groups of people, it's a problem full stop

[stuck valve]

what's the nature of what they're experiencing?

Are they being called bad names on social media?

Or are they being blocked from getting jobs, refused housing and being killed by police?

[buoyant hearth]

Doesnt matter, racism is racism, it shouldn't exist, it's bad no matter what form it takes

[stuck valve]

Life is not that simple my guy 😭

[stuck valve]

That oversimplification is not useful when it comes to real world problems

[buoyant hearth]

Which is why the problem exists today, I'll say it again, "I am a bigger victim than you give me privilege treatment because of that"

[stuck valve]

Yes, if it's actually needed

Saying they're competing to be victims is trivialising a very real, very acute problem in today's world, and it's this kind of turning a blind eye that propagates it

[buoyant hearth]

The racism will never stop in todays society if people keep comparing the degrees of racism and playing the bigger victim

[stuck valve]

Yes, if the degree is worse they have a right to

[buoyant hearth]

Acknowledge X, Y and Z all suffer racism regardless of the form and tackle as a whole to eradicate it but no instead we have to compare I've been abused more than you it's a bigger problem for me

[stuck valve]

If I'm getting set on fire while some other guy is getting slapped around, then it makes sense to ask for urgent action. But they'll save both in time, because both need saving

[stuck valve]

This is something you're zooming in on in social media, it's not how actual society works

[buoyant hearth]

Both would need urgent action, both are suffering

[stuck valve]

Yes but one is at bigger threat of dying right there and then

Hence why they're prioritised if there are limited resources at hand

[buoyant hearth]

And yet people die all the time from getting slapped to the ground and banging there head

[stuck valve]

This is getting hypothetical lol

[buoyant hearth]

Again I am a bigger victim than you because I think my problem is worse

[stuck valve]

Doesn't change that institutional racism exists!

[buoyant hearth]

But it doesnt, individuals in positions of power enact the racism

[stuck valve]

Which is why they create laws to prevent them doing that, which is what you're saying is unfair

[buoyant hearth]

But people like to say it's a institution problem...... if you removed those select few individuals from said institute is it still a problem? No

[stuck valve]

It is, because it's not just people at the top

They hire people like them

And enact rules that benefit certain groups

Small example: Systemic racism’s effect on employment is well-documented. It begins with the hiring process. Black Americans with “white-sounding” names receive 50% more callbacks for their job applications. Even having a college degree doesn’t necessarily help one’s chances.

[buoyant hearth]

Company policy not being followed in favour of select individuals enacting their own rules is not institutional though, the company or whatever isnt at it the individual is

[stuck valve]

American police issues: Given this, perhaps it should not come as a surprise that even though, as we said, Black people make up 13% of the population, they represent about Black people make up 13% of the general population, yet 40% of the prison population.40% of the prison population. Why is that(Opens in new window)? Perhaps because if a Black person and a white person each commit a crime, the Black person has a better chance of being arrested. It’s also true that, once arrested, Black people are convicted more often than white people. And for many years, laws assigned much harsher sentences(Opens in new window) for using or possessing crack, for example, compared to cocaine. Finally, when Black people are convicted, they are about 20% more likely to be sentenced to jail time, and typically see sentences 20% longer than those for whites who were convicted of similar crimes. And as we know, a felony conviction means, in many states, that you lose your right to vote. Right now in America, more than 7.4%(Opens in new window) of the adult African American population is disenfranchised (compared to 1.8% of the non-African American population).

[stuck valve]

Well, the correct term would be systemic

Systemic racism

[buoyant hearth]

Well dam I am screwed with my name and yet my qualifications have always ensured every job I have applied for I've gotten an interview for

Its too easy for people to say I didnt get this because of the colour of my skin nowadays because of the past

[stuck valve]

Yes but one anecdote doesn't invalidate the statistics

[stuck valve]

I agree with this

But that doesn't mean that it's not frequently a problem

[buoyant hearth]

Skewed statistics that show asian people as being the lowest racially abused people in America yet they are by far the highest

[clear dune]

If we’re talking American population, black males particularly make up a disproportionately higher percentage for committing violent crime than any other race, so it’s easy to see why they are represented higher in the prison system.

[stuck valve]

That's a pretty well-known fact,t hough

[stuck valve]

Yes but this was taken from statistics that compare the result of committing the same crimes

[buoyant hearth]

But the stats dont back it up

[stuck valve]

Asian hate?

[buoyant hearth]

Which you will see on average black people commit more crimes based upon their back ground and yet we wonder why the police arrest us more 🤣

[stuck valve]

It's a recent development because of Covid

I mena there was always racism but it's blown up recently

[clear dune]

The point is that if any one group of men is committing more violent crime than the other, of course there will be more of that group in jail

[stuck valve]

Yes but blacks are disproportionately impoverished due to a lack of generational wealth. Poor people commit more crimes -- it's not exactly a shocker

[clear dune]

Generational what

[stuck valve]

Those stats vanish when you take wealthy blacks into account

[clear dune]

My dad was a truck driver

I make about half a million a year. Nothing generational about that

[stuck valve]

You're an exception

[clear dune]

I mean sure, there are people who are generationally wealthy

[stuck valve]

That's not it

[clear dune]

No, the generationally wealthy are the exception

How many trust fund babies do you know?

[stuck valve]

Oh I thought you meant something else -- and yes

[clear dune]

Hell I don’t know many

[buoyant hearth]

But said generational wealth comes from past conflict where they were unable to defend themselves just like vikings did against the english all those years ago, times were different then your applying todays misguided logic to events that happened with different rules of survival

[clear dune]

I mean generational wealth disparity was definitely an issue 200 years ago

[stuck valve]

It's still an issue right now

I'm trying to figure out which to address first

Okay, take poor black people in America

[clear dune]

What about poor Mexicans?

[stuck valve]

Slaves stuck around, racism remained even after slavery was abolished

[clear dune]

Or poor Irish immigrants

[stuck valve]

What about them? Same problem

[buoyant hearth]

Only because people continually cling to the past to play the victim instead of getting there ass in gear and working their hardest to improve there situation

[stuck valve]

Ever heard of "no blacks, no Irish, no dogs?"

[stuck valve]

This is why your perception is so warped

You assume that hard work can fix everything

[clear dune]

If you aren’t an American it may be hard to understand but - you are free to succeed here and free to fail

[buoyant hearth]

Because in the 21st century it can

[stuck valve]

Yes, but some people are at a bigger disadvantage

[clear dune]

Look there are people living in “poverty” buying 1000 dollar iPhones

They aren’t generationally poor, their mind is poor

[stuck valve]

If you're born in a shitty enviroment, you don't have mentors, you don't have family to guide you, you can't necessarily pay for good schooling, you have a shitty accent that people are unlikely to want to hire you for certain roles (would a fancy bank hire someone with a street accent to deal with important business partners?), etc.

[buoyant hearth]

When I can watch a nigerian immigrant travel half way across the world from the slums and become a multi millionaire with next to no education your telling me that people in 1st world countries cant do that and change there situation?

[stuck valve]

People are not born at the same starting line

[clear dune]

Yes but it doesn’t matter where you start

[stuck valve]

It does!

[clear dune]

Equal opportunity is never going to mean equal results

[buoyant hearth]

It mattered 60 years it doesnt matter now

[stuck valve]

It mattered then, it matters now

[clear dune]

And again

Your essentially crying out for equal results then

[stuck valve]

You seem to be disregarding a slew of factors

[clear dune]

I am disregarding factors that are not relevant to the starting point of being alive in 2023

You always start now

Now is now.

[stuck valve]

Were you raised speaking acompletely different vernacular? Were your parents able to put you through school?

[stuck valve]

That's BS, you can start now, but it will be harder for certain people to get certain jobs than others

[buoyant hearth]

Everybody has equal opportunities to do what they want in todays society if they choose not to that's their choice but they then blame it on the past, my ancestors experienced racism it's not fair..... ok but what does that have to do with you right now? Is that stopping you from going to college and getting a degree to better yourself? No. Is that stopping you from leaving your current situation to better yourself? No I could go on but i wont

[stuck valve]

You're acting like this is a non-factor

Simply having an educated family that can teach you certain perspectives is a game changer

[clear dune]

I went to one semester of college and had to drop out because I had to make money

[stuck valve]

Equal opportunities =/= equal abilities to take advantage of those opportunities

[buoyant hearth]

Check my above example of the nigerian national

[stuck valve]

This is a common story among the poor

That's exactly my point

It's a huge disadvantage to getting certain jobs

You may end up having to take a different path entirely

You did not have the chances someone better off would have had

[clear dune]

I have a huge disadvantage at getting a surgeon job

[buoyant hearth]

The guy travelled alone and ended up in france, not speaking a word of the language and yet somehow some way despite his disadvantaged start in life his hard work got him to where he wanted to be, a multimillionaire

[stuck valve]

You had to fight harder to get to the same place

[clear dune]

Who’s fault is that???

[stuck valve]

Life!

The point is to change the situation for countless people, because they were screwed by historic events

What makes it worse is that when poor people pool together, it creates a culture

The culture instils values at odds with the rest of society, because people have to live differently in those regions to survive

That's all life

[clear dune]

Precisely. And again , the choices we make. I am more qualified to get franchise licenses and open car dealerships than become a surgeon, but both of those facts have only to do with my choices and my mindset along the way and my work ethic

[stuck valve]

No, they were because you had to drop out due to funds

If you had funds, the course of your life would have been different

Doors were closed to you

[clear dune]

I could have worked overnights

[stuck valve]

More doors would be closed to you if you weren't taught to speak a certain way, or deal with certain matters a certainway

[clear dune]

I closed that door

[stuck valve]

For many, nights isn't enough

[clear dune]

I chose to make money in the way I chose it, but I had other choices. As does everyone in America

[stuck valve]

No, not everyone

[buoyant hearth]

But its 2023 now, said historical events now go in their favour, theres no negative discrimination based upon those because people are too scared to not give a job to an unqualified waster through fear of being labelled a racist so it's essentially come full circle now and people are still complaining about the past

[stuck valve]

That's nonsense, it happens all the time

I've seen it myself a couple of times

It's often the people who can familairise themselves and cosy up to management

And the people who are too different don't get close

[buoyant hearth]

As have I, people getting jobs that they shouldn't be anywhere near based purely on the colour of their skin or gender

[stuck valve]

There's a lot of room for personal decisions

[stuck valve]

Yes, but why?

There are directives to break things up, due to the big picture

[buoyant hearth]

Oh so now individuals are the issue where as before for your point it is a institutional problem

[stuck valve]

When did I say it wasn't individuals?

I've said both from the beginning

[clear dune]

This is like complaining about there being different cliques in high school. Yes in a Melting pot people will gather with familiarity but the laws and standard applied really favor minorities in the workplace for the past 20 years more than anything else

[stuck valve]

It's different when the problem is endemic in a society

Where the cliques have the ability to influence hiring decisions and career progress

[clear dune]

Oh Jesus let’s use buzzwords

[stuck valve]

"We can't put this guy in front, he'll make us look bad"

Because he didn't have the same opportunities growing up

It exists for entire groups

I'm not sure why you guys can't acknowledge this

[clear dune]

Do you make hiring decisions on a daily basis ?

In America

[buoyant hearth]

It's not 1960 anymore dude 🤣

[clear dune]

Because I do

[stuck valve]

That's a logical fallacy, but yes, I've been involved in hiring

[clear dune]

And I’m telling you , the endemic you speak of is a fallacy

[stuck valve]

What's your point?

[clear dune]

It’s an endemic of fear and victimhood

That’s the only endemic in America in 2023

[stuck valve]

I actually agree

However these are not mutually exclusive

People are able to exploit the opportunity because others are trying to address the real problem

It's like the problem of suing in America

[buoyant hearth]

Well I thought it was pretty clear, society has changed since then, your acting like it's exactly the same when it isnt

[clear dune]

When the endemic of fear is creating the illusion of victimhood so it perpetuates itself, the actual only issue present is the fear. The victimhood is the symptom .

[whole sigil]

GG @clear dune, you just advanced to level 10!

[stuck valve]

There are plenty of people who have a right to sue, and many others who try to take advantage of it for wealth or clout

[stuck valve]

The endemic of fear stems from a deeper problem, and the victimhood is exploiting the fear

[buoyant hearth]

Works for and against every person, every group of people benefit and suffer from this but with what've been saying it should only be looked at for group A because it happens to them more than group B

[stuck valve]

Society is unfair > people are calling out the unfairness for change > it resonates with enough people to create movements > people take those movements and run with them for personal gain: money, clout, harming people they don't like, etc.

All of it gets fanned by social media algorithms, which feed off controversy for money

That's the current state of affairs

My fingers are tired lol

Well, it's 4:30AM and I doubt our discussion will change anything, but it's been fun lol

[buoyant hearth]

Good to have a rant every now and then

[stuck valve]

Hhaa yeah true

Well anwyay I hope society will fix all of these problems but I don't see that battle ending during our lifetimes

Guess we'll see

[buoyant hearth]

It wont until people band together to tackle the issue as a whole as opposed to tackling it for one group at a time

And that wont happen in our lifetimes

Not whilst people are unable to tell the difference between a man and a woman at least

[merry crystal]

Where is the passage?

[stuck valve]

Dammit wtf is up with discord, most of my messages aren't posting

Dammit wtf is up with discord, most of my messages aren't posting

Dammit wtf is up with discord, most of my messages aren't posting

Dammit wtf is up with discord, most of my messages aren't posting

[granite sorrel]

#🆘┆customer-service blank screen

#🆘┆customer-service blank screen

[inner forge]

@granite sorrel it does that to me aswell after I finish a battle in arena. Makes it to where I have to close the app and reopen it

[modest verge]

Discord the program was going through a minor ddos attack and caused massive lag. Its been handled and things are back to normal

[stuck valve]

Awesome thanks ^^

[granite sorrel]

thanks bro it done. mybe my connecting bad

[whole sigil]

GG @granite sorrel, you just advanced to level 1!

[timber forum]

The meaning: You were my hold once but you burned it down.

[timber forum]

Talent bro,nice work hope you post on insta

[timber forum]

Thanks! You can check me out on instagram @mad.abstracted

[cold veldt]

It will never end until all society stops putting labels on themselves. This can only only happen individually. As a whole human beings will not do this because then we really would all be equal. But what is equality exactly? Equal pay? Equal opportunities to what end? To survive. Since survival contradicts equality it will never happen and labels are there to make sure it doens't. We are afterall, just like all the rest of the animals.

[bold venture]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-and-ted-dust-in-the-wind-dude-all-we-are-alex-winter-gif-16454939

[stuck valve]

I see where you're coming from... but I disagree; our greatest advantage as human beings is our reasoning ability. We can reject the fate of other animals. We consider everything and not only suppress our natural urges, but reshape our environment into one that's better for us as a species. This is how we became the dominant species on the planet: we found a smarter way, a faster way, a morally superior way to do everything. What people are asking for isn't equality -- which is problematic -- but an attempt at equity until systemic barriers have been removed and everyone can manage without suffering. This is what's humane. Here's an example of what people are talking about:

Our ultimate goal is to tear down systemic barriers that were created when humanity was less self-aware

Kids working in Victorian factories and getting torn apart by the machinery, women being unable to vote, slavery, etc.

If everyone threw up their hands and just said "life is unfair", we would still have all of these problems. Life is unfair, but that unfairness can be changed, which is the goal

If we gave in to our base nature, we'd just leave diabled people to die because survival of the fittest. Who cares if you struggle at work? You're less efficient so we can't hire you, and you can't feed yourself so you're a drain, so just go die in a bush somewhere, etc. etc. That callous train of thought would take you to an evil place

This is why perspectives like "hey, everybody has the same opportunities!" aren't helpful because... that's not how it works. There are all sorts of contextual problems at work that make an ostensibly fair opportunity unfair. The finish line is the same, but people start the race with vastly different obstacles

[cold veldt]

But in the end we are all angels that shit. Such is the human condition.

[faint pumice]

pls help

pls

how to fix this issue everytime i open and clik play it shut down

[torn niche]

Hello everybody. if I am currently playing the beta. I would lose everything when it is officially released?

[timber forum]

Meaning: Tell me that you're mine.

[timber forum]

Some ppl of you playd it?

[ember nymph]

i played it when it was CBT

is it out?

[timber forum]

EZETTA PROPHECY

[timber forum]

Early acsess

But they will shut it down the next 2 weeks

I liked it

[timber forum]

shut down already ?

[terse star]

what is the problem

[timber forum]

soon i think in like 3 days

@timber forum @ember nymph

[buoyant hearth]

Seen a few games over the last year shut down before they've even really begun

[timber forum]

Like Apex Legends Mobile ahahah

The screen orientation and monetization killed it for me, dodge a bullet

[timber forum]

What other games you play on mobile? Like dragonheir??

Don't come with RAID lol

[warm moth]

Ever heard of this cool mobile RPG game thats redefining mobile gaming? Over 1000 heroes to collect its called....

RAID, SHADOW LEGENDSSSSSSSS

[timber forum]

Xd

[spice dawn]

lol

[timber forum]

Wtf

We start from zero?

Heroes map to re explore again? Thats not fun

[alpine yew]

no you will keep ur heroes

[buoyant kiln]

Heroes and skills will keep up. And you get lot of summons depending of what you did previous season if I get it

[winter willow]

When is season reset happening?

[astral blaze]

Almost every mobile game have this now. from the newer once.

[coarse shale]

@timber forumgive it a try

[whole sigil]

GG @keen scarab, you just advanced to level 1!

[stuck valve]

Thought this was pretty cool

Not massively into cutesey poses but it's pretty neat anwyay

[shy pelican]

When is game to be released?

[steel hornet]

@shy pelican second half of 2023, probably in September, because now it's season 0, which ends in August.

[dusty stream]

Has anyone refund on paypal successfully? If so, please DM. Thanks for your help 🫶

[serene wigeon]

Just got a new tattoo today with the gf. little but I love them!

[buoyant hearth]

you guys love them snakes far too much 😛

[serene wigeon]

Her first snake is named "Linguini" and mine is "Ramen" that's why the noodles.
We wanted a "couple tattoo" that we didn't have to be together to explain but meant something to us.

[buoyant hearth]

hahaha

love ramen

[timber forum]

Hi

[buoyant hearth]

👋

[timber forum]

Just make a tattoo one my drawings i have

My mother does xd

That little angel i made before i started drawing with charcoal.

[timber forum]

I tryd but i got bussy

@ember nymph

From this game

[cloud knot]

Ayo?????

[viral agate]

How to finish?

[sterile plover]

Focus on finishing off the archer on the back first, then attempt to finish the priestess

[unreal rover]

Made these at college today out of fondant it’s a penguin, bear, unicorn and a stegosaurus and put them on my fruit cake, thought I would shire

[timber forum]

Meaning: I'm lost in my other half - I don't know her.

[ember nymph]

Dude you drew this?

[timber forum]

Yes

I'am a artist lol

@ember nymph

[ember nymph]

Well done man!

[timber forum]

Thanks!

At the moment it is a hobby and creating pieces as much as i can for an exhibition in the next half year. For the time being, the original drawings cannot be purchased during the exhibition. Original prints in 2 different sizes are also planned.

Prints will be cheaper than the original drawings.

So if ppl want to purchase or want a print of a specific drawing they can dm me.

I mean it overall like insta tiktok or whatever

[timber forum]

@ember nymph

[ember nymph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU6C7BXBLEM

for the chess fans, Magnus kickin butt

[dire current]

@slender mulch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sword_of_Shannara

[slender mulch]

Hmmm Terry brooks

[dire current]

yeah

similar high fantasy to forgotten realms
it focuses more on the mysticism, magic, and symbolism

[slender mulch]

Terry brooks seems to be more playful and silly imo ill give it a look but im not hopeful

I like grimdark

[dire current]

TB is alright, its decent enough to pass the time
one of my favorite authors nowadays is Jim butcher

[slender mulch]

Raymond E fiest was my Jam

[dire current]

grimdark
hmm, ive never played any of the warhammer games although i own quite a few of them

Fiest sounds familiar, ill look into it

sec
gotta do vortex

i'll add him to my reading list

[pallid shard]

.

[buoyant hearth]

@vagrant nimbus timed out. Please do not post links to facebook groups in the discord.

[timber forum]

Must be the right channel now haha.

Dont know if you can hear it lol

[buoyant hearth]

your killing me dude

they may annoy you but others do not need to hear your neighbours at it

[timber forum]

xD

[timber forum]

Whos able to create (coding) a website?

[cloud knot]

Depending on what you need it coded in and how good of a website you need I can

[radiant walrus]

anyone here played HEROES: MIGHT AND MAGIC series? PC version. 😄

[blissful echo]

what type of website. poftfolio, shop, web app?

[whole sigil]

GG @blissful echo, you just advanced to level 2!

[timber forum]

For my art a shop where they can buy my drawings and a little portfolio in a different section. Also where ppl can contact me per mail and inks to my social medias too.

[timber forum]

A section for my prints and a section for the original drawings, also a section for paintings.

[stuck valve]

Flashbacks, I loved that series growing up... along with the Belgariad, the Wheel of Time series, and some other awesome fantasy books

I wouldn't pick up a book unless it was thick af

[stuck valve]

We have the same book tastes for sure lol

My favourite book series is the Dresden FIles

*Files

Urban Fantasy is great

If you haven't yet you should check out the litRPG webnovel genre, too

There are some stinkers but a lot of awesome translated series

Not all of them are tropey isekais, but even some isekais are amazing

[hard jungle]

🇹🇷

[dire current]

Yeah, lots of good ones back then
They don't make them like they used to

[dire current]

Kek, bigger is better after all 😉

[dire current]

Yeah, Dresden Files is really good.
I just bought the last 2 books in series but haven't had time to read them yet

And litRPG thing has been recommended to me several times now, really need to check it out

[ancient wedge]

I like em thick too. Oh wait you mean books? Yeah, sure, that as well.

[timber forum]

Dresden Files is on my top ten list of series. Good stuff

[whole sigil]

GG @timber forum, you just advanced to level 2!

[stuck valve]

Yeah litRPGs do the progression fantasy thing better than any other genre

We basically don't have a growth fantasy genre

Which is why everyone loves shounen so much

It's kind of like how there's no true romance genre for men in the west

We have entire missing genres xD

But if you like characters learning magic / picking up abilities and rising from being a nobody to a godlike existence in their setting then litRPG / xuanhuan (both western and translated version) will be enough to hook you for the next year or so xD

[timber forum]

I'm going to look into litRPG

[stuck valve]

Defo my favourite genre atm

I love progression fantasy and litRPG literally has progression fantasy baked into it haha

[fast vine]

Wheres my ACE peeps?! 🤣

[fast vine]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-exiting-uncomfortable-leaving-now-gif-14492345

[ember nymph]

here

ACE is epic failure tho :/

[timber forum]

Can you please not do this. Nobody likes this type of behavior, so please stop. I don't even know who you are.

[steel hornet]

@timber forum you can just block the person, who is annoying you. And report for spam.

[timber forum]

Oh, I know very well that I can block them, but this type of stuff needs to be called out.

[buoyant hearth]

@timber forum not acceptable behaviour and against server rules

now banned, apologies @timber forum

[timber forum]

Thanks!

[timber forum]

How theyre called?

[fast vine]

Hummingbird 😊

[timber forum]

Great Thanks @fast vine

[clear dune]

Be funny if it was a buttdial / fat finger . I’ve accidentally discord called someone before and hurried up to shut that call down haha had no interest in actually talking

If I click on your name, it’s pretty easy to accidentally hit voice call if your trying to swipe out. All I’m saying. Many would be a different story but one voice call could have just been accident

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-sips-tea-tea-none-of-my-business-gif-14833918

[buoyant hearth]

7 hours later and no response to me asking whats up, I have no issues over turning a ban

[clear dune]

I just found it funny someone would freak out over that, when in reality homeboy was probably just trying to see what kinda dogs were in that profile pic lol but if they poofed after, they poofed

[buoyant hearth]

however until said person responds the ban will remain in effect (and yes the person was displaying as online when I messaged them)

[clear dune]

Oh yeah I get that

[buoyant hearth]

haha indeed, we all make mistakes, they happen from time to time but I try to at least give the option to discuss it (for me if a member of the community is feeling harassed it must be dealt with accordingly)

[clear dune]

I just check this damn discord more than I can play the actual game

https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842

[buoyant hearth]

more to do though 🤣

[clear dune]

https://tenor.com/view/air-quotes-gif-19107880

[buoyant hearth]

but yea, dude responds with a, it was an accident apologies or whatever then its no worries but you'll typically find they will either remain silent or get aggressive if it was intentional (at least in my previous experiences)

[clear dune]

There’s already more quest line in off topic than there’s been in a week in game

[buoyant hearth]

your mission - discover if the mystery call was intentional or not
reward - i'll give you 1 gem

#worth

[timber forum]

yeah so, the weather is pretty nice today

[buoyant hearth]

It is far too warm where I am 🫠

[timber forum]

im in winter lmaooooo

[buoyant hearth]

I would rather be than summer lol

[timber forum]

i guess it depends on your summer right lmao

[buoyant hearth]

no doubt, am sure alot of places are alot warmer than the UK right now but I just dont deal with the heat well 🤣

@random meteor you've been asked to give it a rest a couple of times again today, much like last time you refuse and continue with the toxic behaviour, you clearly are not willing to give it a rest so you have been timed out again. Stop with the childish and petty behaviour towards me, I am a volunteer mod, I am not your personal punching bag on the internet because you are having a bad day every so often (or whatever the reason is for your behaviour for a 2nd time towards me) and want somebody to take it out on. If you were behaving like this towards any other member of the community I would have timed you out a while ago, just because you are free to say what you want on the internet does not mean it will be tolerated nor should it be tolerated when you are going out of your way to single a person or group out with your toxicity. I hope when you return you do so in a better mental state.

[timber forum]

i dont want to touch anywhere it snows

im good on that lmaooo

[buoyant hearth]

Lol not often we get it here in the UK tbh, feels like once every couple of years. Need to find me a country that is just mild all year round to move to 🤣

[timber forum]

i suppose it depends on what you define as mild

[buoyant hearth]

Not too warm, not too cold is ideal for me, dont wanna be say there shivering nor sat there sweating my tits off 🤣

Mild

[timber forum]

see like, im in australia and where i am COULD be considered mild to me in comparison to the rest of australia

ive live in cities where it gets to 40c

[buoyant hearth]

I have family over there, that part of the world is far too hot for me hahaha

[timber forum]

so having a summer where it gets to like 30c

is reasonably mild

LOL

[buoyant hearth]

I forget which massive shopping mall it is but there is a clothing store (quite up market) called Drotos that my family owns, beautiful place

gorgeous country

[timber forum]

i would like to say the same about yours but uhhhhhh

[whole sigil]

GG @timber forum, you just advanced to level 2!

[timber forum]

as i said, i dont do well with the cold

i also got away from the suffocating cities

so idk if the UK would be for me

[buoyant hearth]

I agree, uhhhhh is the perfect description 🤣

[timber forum]

i think im just at that age where i want to settle down away from people

Come to Florida. It'll change your perspective

aka boomer development

[timber forum]

i aint touching florida

they call that the penis of america for a reason

it lowkey shaped like one too

Oh, I thought it was the ahole

[buoyant hearth]

I am there, people just get on my nerves at this point in life, no time for them just enjoy doing what I do without a need for validation or anything along those lines

[timber forum]

But for real, this heat sucks. My friend from UK doesn't want to visit because she says she'll melt

[timber forum]

see what i did was, replace all the people with animals and now i cant get mad at anything

[timber forum]

ay man, stay hydrated

[timber forum]

I just stay in my house for the most part

Between the heat and the people, it's the best place to be.

[buoyant hearth]

You are not wrong!

[timber forum]

smh

where the grass touching at

[buoyant hearth]

https://9anime.gs/watch/mashle-magic-and-muscles.7j2zj/ep-1 @stuck valve

[stuck valve]

looool

it was mashle

*muscle

[buoyant hearth]

its funny man

not the funniest of the season but its good

[stuck valve]

I'll watch it -- I knew about this a while ago because of the webnovel

I didn't expect it to get an anime so fast

[buoyant hearth]

KamiKatsu is the funniest of the season for me, that is freakin hilarious

[stuck valve]

I'll check it out xD

Also I can't believe it took me this long to notice your profile pic is Vegeta

😂

[buoyant hearth]

KamiKatsu is a proper dark horse that not many really know about but OMFG it needs a second season

[stuck valve]

I didn't zoomi n so just thought it was a random saiyan

[buoyant hearth]

vegeta is just the best imo 😛

[stuck valve]

loool i saw a trailer so it made me want to watch it

I'll chekc them both out

Yeah I like him

I've erased a certain incident from my memory though

This one:

[buoyant hearth]

https://9anime.gs/watch/kaminaki-sekai-no-kamisama-katsudou.jvj9y/ep-1

episode 1 links to both for you

[stuck valve]

https://youtu.be/yDSfn59ollU?t=69

How you gonna do this to my boy Vegeta?

Delete

[stuck valve]

Awesome thanks man

[buoyant hearth]

would never happen, at that point vegeta is far far too proud to beg goku for anything lol

hes just too funny with his arrogance

hells paradise is the best anime this season for me followed really closely by heavenly delusion and kamikatsu

kami is straight up hilarious in parts

[timber forum]

vegeta would literally die before he asked goku for help

in fact he essentally killed himself with said pride against cell

[buoyant hearth]

the show did him dirty in a few spots 😛

[timber forum]

they redeemed themselves

thankfully

honestly half of my problem with reading manga is that the MC is some sort of naive yet hard working character

JUST LIKE GOKU

[buoyant hearth]

yea it is quite annoying how many of them start out like that and even end like that

I am naive as hell to everything in the world

but i'll save everything and beat everyone

[timber forum]

and all the women will love me

[buoyant hearth]

I find anime more enjoyable nowdays when I see an MC whos a boss

[timber forum]

i uhhhh

stopped watching anime completely

[buoyant hearth]

Anos Voldigoad first season of the misfit of demon king academy was freakin legendary

[timber forum]

ill read manga depending on what it is but i stick to mostly manhwa

[buoyant hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/anos-anos-voldigoad-the-misfit-of-demon-king-academy-baby-voldigoad-gif-22739072

[timber forum]

i did actually watch that

[buoyant hearth]

KamiKatsu is another one with a MC who isnt a pleb, dudes funny as

[timber forum]

NO PLEBS ALLOWED

idk i dont really have a common opiinion when it comes to anime

ive watched a tonne of it and now im just ehhhh

[buoyant hearth]

alot of it is generic trash

but theres the odd diamond in the rough that keeps me coming back for more

[timber forum]

listen ok, theres so many people that absolutely love hxh for example

and i just could not understand why

at all

[buoyant hearth]

I am not a fan of hxh

just felt kinda dull

peeps love naruto but to me it was so much filler

[timber forum]

it made no sense LOL

[buoyant hearth]

same with one piece, I got through 600 episodes of it and literally things only happened in 50 of them, SO MUCH filler

[timber forum]

gon is the MC and he did virtually nothing but cry about about his daddy issues all show

[whole sigil]

GG @timber forum, you just advanced to level 3!

[timber forum]

i did watch the entirety on auto pilot