📊┆dragon-lineup-help

[bitter atlas]

First time i used this comp breezed thru this stage and saved the timings and gear and it never worked after that. What could be going wrong?

[jaunty cloak]

Use torrin here

U need invisibility

So, that the frog don’t capture ur characters

[bitter atlas]

In place of thia?

[jaunty cloak]

I’ve seen ppl using both together

But I only use torrin

[bitter atlas]

Whats the timing for him

[urban aurora]

Thia with enough haste can invis before boss does his first skill

and Thia brings debuff immunity AND heal prhib

[bitter atlas]

Oggok dies after second ult

[red laurel]

you can also stack summoned along the front to be eaten instead of your heroes. but you still might be wanting to get a wild team working

here is what i got going for mine. using lelwanis, premtsa, torrin, irzillas, and estella.
i only let lelwanis use her ult once to transform 99 sec in then its set to not use it again.

[open hedge]

Torrin will need hourglass and a lot of haste to be able ult before the boss every rotation

It was easier to pull off last season with Ice/Necrosis because of Vinyara

[onyx lintel]

Farm haste. Thia Torrin and Vinyara can make the team perma invis

Still do Thia Torrin and Vinyara, 3 man affin is enough

[azure sluice]

If she's too slow, then you need to slow scavenger down using battle skill. Bring Zhar'loth.

[midnight raft]

if you dont have floras Exclusive you will need oggok

but this is what i used

[strange fox]

I am using them both. Thia has hourglass so she gives the team invis and debuff immunity before first debuff of the boss. Torrin then is using invis to evade the grab. Also, you need to have your characters spaced out and not clumped together cause the second boss skill is doing blast dmg

It can be also done at lvl 79, but you need good positive runes with skill haste

And get to Thia double set with skill haste

[violet nexus]

Anyone have any ideas for a team lineup for Fey 205?

[bitter atlas]

What should i change for heretical ruins 12?

[dry citrus]

it's a very slow lineup for ruins 12, and not even sure Catherine can keep your team alive by herself

[austere kite]

Fey 170 help anyone cant pass it

[dry citrus]

Holy hunter sets, heroes with decrease ultimate meter/stuns/fear effects/attack down

[dim heron]

Goblins Lair 9 lvl line up help please 🥺

[acoustic fable]

Frost works well in Goblins 🙂

[bitter atlas]

What can i run? Flora speedrun fails with 4m hp left on the boss

[dry citrus]

are you in season 1 or 2? What heroes do you have?

[bitter atlas]

S1 3 weeks in

Top 12 are scrolled not ripekas

[rare parcel]

Strong lineup already👍

[elfin nebula]

hello, how can i get through fey 168? idk what to do? i need to place more tanks or something like that?

[bitter atlas]

Can keep the ultimate down on elcebree but double voresh kill my dps. Any tips?

[azure sluice]

Stun and damage honestly

[elfin nebula]

i see, thanks

[azure sluice]

Do you have Ripekas, Journ or Garrika? Basically stunlock/keep Elecebre down and in the mean time snipe Voresh.

[bitter atlas]

I have tried ripekas but what can i kill voresh quickly with?

These guys are tanky af

[azure sluice]

Your best nuke. Back then I used Felicity, but I have Journ to keep the middle stunned indefinitely

You need to keep the 3 in the middle from ultimating

[bitter atlas]

Allright i felicity scrolled

[bitter atlas]

Lemme try

She barely does anything

Guess my gear is bad

[unkempt chasm]

You guys see any obvious flaws in their stats that might help me shove further?

[open hedge]

Less crit rate more crit damage on Shinnah

She gets a lot of passive crit rate

Also maybe try Shinnah in full mythic? That does more damage for me than with Emissary

[dry citrus]

yeah try something akin to this. More crit dmg and attack, less crit rate and accuracy

[jaunty wolf]

dont have beldelle so cant test it but its probably same thing if you have 1 target that does masive dmg compared to others 2-3 targets then those 2-3 targets build support set +15% dmg +10% dmg... But if dmg is similar between 2-3 targets probably this mythical setup works better cos no 1 big hitter

[azure sluice]

Shinnah passive add 10% crit rate on all hero, on top of 30% from IB bonus. And Zhorak passive add 20% on himself. So Shinnah 60%, Zhorak 40%, and Beldelle as much as possible

[frank tundra]

I can't pass level 220 of fey corregidor.help me please

[unkempt chasm]

My dysfunctional setup

[open hedge]

yeah I couldn't get my team to do crazy numbers either

but I only have puny i1 durem

[unkempt chasm]

Seeing 800mil was gnarly

[urban aurora]

800mil was in cinese version, where the 90% dmg rede doesnt kick in

[snow ingot]

Nope

[urban aurora]

any idea why puppeteer set doesnt make my torrin go to 18 sec rotation ?

[snow ingot]

In the burn team? Hes other Element

60+ haste or he needs a pupoeteer set too

[urban aurora]

but puppeteer is element, not school

[snow ingot]

Torrin = necro
Burn = fire

[urban aurora]

yeah, but in the element tab its fire/necrosis - thought that counts aswell tbh

fml

[snow ingot]

Nope, only the same element xD

[urban aurora]

crap, i cant get to 60 haste with runes T_T

well ^^ staff it is

[snow ingot]

Hehe

[urban aurora]

does the burn helmetr work on durem, if he has no accuraccy?

[snow ingot]

Yea because he triggers blast iirc

[urban aurora]

slowly getting there

[snow ingot]

Nice one! You got affinity points in necro/fire dmg?

[urban aurora]

nope. none so far

stone breaker armor made a big difference on durem

the one that gets atk stacks when inflicting a debuff

lost 32% cdmg vs my other armor - but gained a ton of dmg

and accuracy rune T_T

[snow ingot]

Yea, got crap stats too on durem 🙈 want 800m!!!!

[urban aurora]

^^

[snow ingot]

Only here atm. 2/10 affinity pts

Stil Room for minmaxing

[urban aurora]

using those 2 ?

[snow ingot]

Yea

[urban aurora]

i3+ torrin is cheating, those 30 skill haste !

[snow ingot]

😂

[urban aurora]

you could try emissary set on torrin

my team can survive w/p using the shaerd dmg set

[snow ingot]

m2 😂

[urban aurora]

^^

[snow ingot]

Tomorrow the testing will proceed 😂 🙈

[urban aurora]

^^

hmm with 0 accuaccy, durem stil gets the atk up for landing debuffs oO

[thin pasture]

3 days stuck on this screen, reinstall the game didn’t fix it

[fleet sail]

cus blast counts as a debuff

Which is odd but I belive his passive counts as blast?

[urban aurora]

it does stack slower though

[fleet sail]

maybe it's his battle skill ignite then

cus it's multihit isn't it? I can't remember

[jaunty cloak]

Try vpn

[onyx lintel]

Can someone share timings of Flora team in s1... for some reason it feels like my dmg is significantly lower than others with the same team comp and better equip

Like 100m lower lol

[rose jetty]

Does Sintrella banshee curse counted as debuff and she also get bonus atk from that chest?

[fleet sail]

dunno if purple debuffs count but possible?

[rose jetty]

i testd with the dummy, it gave her 6 stacks max

But with Durem is 20 stacks

Not sure it is bug or work as intent

[fleet sail]

my guess is durem's battle skill counts as applying a debuff multiple times because of ignite

[rose jetty]

well, image if she get 30 stacks attack bonus, Lelwanis will get a lot bonus 🤣

[azure sluice]

red is debuff, purple is control. Frozen used to be control but now debuff. Gold border si undispellable.

[quartz sapphire]

Could you please send the team code?

[rose jetty]

ye, she got bonus attack when apply banshee curse. But after 6 stacks, she does getting any more stacks

[snow ingot]

S2251020FW4ODJFO

[torpid basin]

if I wanted to make 2 summon teams, 1 for thelendor and 1 for twitch - what would be the best setups? I have Lelwanis but without artifact and I struggle to transform her. Also I got all epics and all summon legendaries are scrolled except ladhelia

[quartz sapphire]

Thanks dude!

[onyx lintel]

You're gonna struggle but you want Premsta Llewanis and Voresh for Twitch. All 3 board wide on ult

Prem Llewanis Voresh Thia and.... either heals or shield here. The epic that does immunity and shield

@torpid basin

The big thing is that if you use Llewanis on Twitch OR Thel you can't use her on Vaaska

[torpid basin]

so far I am getting 200 mil on twitch with torrin, premtsa, lelwanis, zhar'loth and ripekas

the problem is that premtsa is a huge secondary damage dealer vs thelendor

[onyx lintel]

Voresh gonna be better than Zarloth

[torpid basin]

will have to test if torrin heal is going to be enough

[onyx lintel]

Voresh heals as much as Zarloth

Almost, pretty close

[torpid basin]

he has no aura though, haha

well, torrin aura it is then

[onyx lintel]

Torrin is Resist... you wanna stack res on someone imo

[torpid basin]

yeah I know, I am already placing torrin in the middle so he grants adjacent units resist

and with voresh I can't be on a 18 sec cycle

[onyx lintel]

You can get away with Voresh Sint and Llewanis on Twitch

[torpid basin]

how will lelwanis transform without premtsa?

[onyx lintel]

Actually probably Irz better than Siny

So Llewanis Irz Voresh Torrin and... imo Thia

[torpid basin]

I tried with irzillas, he was too slow

[onyx lintel]

In summons?

[torpid basin]

yeah, lelwanis only managed to transform in the last 1:30

[onyx lintel]

He scrolled?

So then what I recommend is Zadok Irz Torrin Thia. Zadok on Witches and Inso 3pc. Will only hit 2 units with witches

[torpid basin]

fully scrolled, yep

[onyx lintel]

Llewanis Zadok Torrin Irz Thia I mean

Zadok pretty nasty and will get you 2 def down and can do 18s rotation

Then Sint Prem abd Ladhelia for Thelendor

You using Hvitar on Vaaska then?

[torpid basin]

lad isn't scrolled but isitarian is outdamaging her anyway

yeah frost on vasska

though without prem isitarian won't be able to solo carry thelendor

[onyx lintel]

If you do Zadok Irz and Llewanis on Twitch then Premsta free for Thel

[torpid basin]

maybe I am doing something wrong but with irzillas lelwanis doesn't transform fast enough

[onyx lintel]

That's why you have Zadok

He summons faster than Irz even

With all 3 she will transform hella fast

[torpid basin]

will try 😄 thanks bro

[onyx lintel]

Zadok is mad underrated and even with witches because of his ramping mechanic does mad dmg

[torpid basin]

thelendor will be tough without irz though

maybe I could try joyce somewhere?

[onyx lintel]

Why would he be tough without Irz? Sint has aura and tbh, his ult shouldn't be the difference between 200m

idr if CC is considered dungeons if Premsta aura works idk

IF you can scroll Ladhelia and even without her scrolled I think Ladhelia + Isi combo is pretty strong here.

[torpid basin]

yeah 0 scrolls left, I put them all into irz once I realized I can't do radiance because I have literally 0 radiance legendaries

[onyx lintel]

Isatarian ult buffs both his dragon and hers, and if Sint is there then I believe I believe he buffs both the original and the clone of hers

imo Isa Ladhelia and Sint is best for Thelendor

[torpid basin]

I tried with torrin, joyce, lel, zardok and ripekas - though I couldn't sustain without zarloth

[onyx lintel]

Even if she ain't scrolled

[torpid basin]

okay, will also try lad without scrolls there

[onyx lintel]

You need Thia mate she does immunity which buffs dmg

On Twitch

Why is Ripekas there anywhere? Wasted imo

[torpid basin]

the resistance is fine actually, I am getting stacks and negative runes are res too

[onyx lintel]

Thia also provides 15% dmg reduc that applies to Torrin invis too

[torpid basin]

I was thinking to run thia vs vasska, but I can also do blue zombie guy

[onyx lintel]

You can 200m Vaaska with 2 Frost

Eurion Fritz Healer Rava and Vidimir

Or Lossenia Hvitar

[torpid basin]

why eurion?

[onyx lintel]

Doesn't have to be

Fritz Thia won't sustain frost for 5 min

So you need a 3rd support

[torpid basin]

okay so for twitch I probably need 2 healers - so thia, torrin, lelwanis, irz and zadok?

[onyx lintel]

Yes

For Thelendor Prem Isa Sint your choice supports

Estella... maybe can solo heal 200m if you do Ladhelia

[torpid basin]

yeah she can solo, I already tried

that leaves felosia as solo healer for vasska, hmm

[onyx lintel]

So yeah Premsta Sint Isa and Ladhelia

You can also do the rare summoner.... on max atk speed instead of Ladhelia

She's great with Prem

[torpid basin]

I could still get 8% more damage resist for frost, or 4% more damage

[onyx lintel]

Either way you're gonna hit 200m lol

More dmg imo

[torpid basin]

will see if I need the damage or the sustain

[onyx lintel]

If you use estella on Thelendor then you will probably need 3 supports on Vaaska

[torpid basin]

hmm

[onyx lintel]

I use 3 supports on Vaaska

[torpid basin]

with what artifacts on damage dealers? I don't have any ice mythics

[onyx lintel]

Are you using Hvitar or?

[torpid basin]

I was using fan hvitar

[onyx lintel]

Nah, can't do that properly without Thia there

[torpid basin]

but she wasn't enough as solo damage dealer with lossenia, so I also had to use vidimir

[onyx lintel]

Fan Hvitar will only work there with Lossenia and Rava or Olgan

What I would do is Voresh, Lossenia, Hvitar, Fritz, Eurion. If Voresh is not enough sustain then... that one rare healer

[torpid basin]

S1251020XHR1TENH - that was 208 on vasska

[onyx lintel]

Cr/cd on Hvitar

[torpid basin]

accuracy eurion? he isn't scrolled

[onyx lintel]

This is like 210m first week

S1251020VQ3WQUFS

Ok well... might struggle like that lol

Both him and Fritz need to have 18s rotation

You can do the epic tank instead of Eurion

Similar to what he does functionally here

She's Necro

Same idea tho

Since you are using Thia then any other support here works too

Like I said Voresh for witches would be good

Or Voresh on Pipe Organ either way, same same.

One one witches, other on Organ

[torpid basin]

okay twitch works now with 1 healer now - torrin, joyce, irz, lelwanis, zardok

[onyx lintel]

Hvitar with Mask

[torpid basin]

don't have the mask

[onyx lintel]

No real alternative here for dmg imo, if you use Fan then forced to build enl

[torpid basin]

yeah hvitar is on enl set

[onyx lintel]

Eyeball is the best alternative

On enl here hmmm.... You have Thia available but she's gonna struggle to sustain

Without Fritz... your dmg will be gimped

What were you using on Vidimir?

[torpid basin]

probably organ

and thelendor witout irz ult is getting me nowhere close to 200 mil

lad is only doing 30k dps

50k if sint is targeting her summon

which is actually bad, because if she is targeted it means that istarian loses 100k dps 😄

I can't remove irzilas from that team, he doubles the damage

[onyx lintel]

Why not Sint with Llewanis?

[torpid basin]

the lelwanis team is fine, doing more than 200 mil, thelendor is at 155 now

[onyx lintel]

I just mean if you moved Sint to Twitch team and Irz to Thelendor team then possibly that could work 200m for both?

[torpid basin]

hmm, not sure if lelwanis would transform fast enough then, but I can give it a try

160 mil with irz swapped for sint, premts gains damage, istarian loses a lot since no double dragon

[onyx lintel]

Still 200 on Twitch?

So currently it's Prem Irz Isa Estella on Thelendor... who is on 5th?

[torpid basin]

sint, prem, ista, deverick, este

[onyx lintel]

Deverick interesting.... do you need his atk down or just for Witches?

[torpid basin]

attack down and witches, but 60% is crap - without attack down istarians dragon die

maybe with perfect rng and many tries it would be 175-180

is there a better option than deverick?

well I guess I could also make istarian tankier

[onyx lintel]

hang on with me here, I think prem truly is the only necessary there if you can capitalize her dmg. Sint does almost nothing for Prem, same as Isa

In fact with top talent tree on Prem... you're missing a lot of dmg because things aren't really dying

This is crazy talk here but

What if you try Eulia Tioh Premsta Zarloth Estella

[sour topaz]

Any suggestions on how to improve this team. I am currently 4th place. I haven’t messed with skill timing.

[onyx lintel]

Tioh and Premsta both bottom tree

Eulia on top tree with Dawn Pipe

[onyx lintel]

Show me timings rn

[sour topaz]

It’s on default

[onyx lintel]

Oh boy I gotchu

Flora 12/18
Felicity 12.5/default
Caspar 13/18
Errich 13.5/18
Adolphus 15.3/20

Farm a different chest for Flora

Def down atk% chest

[sour topaz]

What do you suggest for flora?

[onyx lintel]

No I mean enl

[dry citrus]

where did you get those skill timings?

[onyx lintel]

Fromy my uh...

Don't worry about it lol

[dry citrus]

and are you in season 1, wontag?

[sour topaz]

Yes sir

[onyx lintel]

Make sure you have enl def down chest, I lied about atk%

[torpid basin]

prem can't solo carry, she is a 2nd dps to istarian who outdamages her by around 100k (istarian 300-350k, prem 180-200k)

[onyx lintel]

This is because Premsta's primary dmg is from her passive, with Isa and Sint she's literally only triggering 3 times - 2 units she summons and the dragon Isa has

[torpid basin]

if istarians dragons survived past 1:30 200 mil would be no problem

[onyx lintel]

Ok

[dry citrus]

this is what you need to know https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcTtvwY5Ak0 - 100 % crit rate and as much skill haste as possible on felicity. Max enlightenment and SOME skill haste on Adolphus

[torpid basin]

ripekas performs better than deverick, because of the small ult reduction

[onyx lintel]

But conceptually here because of the way talents work and because of the way that Premsta's passive works, her personal dmg is being hampered by Isa and Sint

[torpid basin]

so what do you suggest? I doubt even with a perfect setup prem can do 500k on her own

[onyx lintel]

To maximize her dmg, you need a lot of summons on the field simultaneously

And also, just like Llewanis can't transform quickly without a lot of units dying, nor can talents reach their full dmg potential without a lot of units dying

Sint has no units, and Isa has 1

[torpid basin]

you mean top tree? she will get to 30 stacks no problem, but it's capped at 30 stacks

[onyx lintel]

Negative, bottom tree

[dry citrus]

what are we trying to solve?

[torpid basin]

haha, my problem to create 2 summon teams for continental challenge, thelendor and twitch

[dry citrus]

why 2?

[torpid basin]

0 radiance legendaries

[dry citrus]

have you tried with radi epics?

[torpid basin]

do you think I can get more than 160mil with no legendaries?

[dry citrus]

haven't tried so cannot say

[onyx lintel]

lol

[onyx lintel]

Why would you be able to... Llewanis is board wide

[dry citrus]

Lelwanis is best used against the CC who spawns a lot of crap

[onyx lintel]

He's using frost on thwt

[torpid basin]

I am using frost vs vasska

[onyx lintel]

He's using summons on Twitch and on Thelendor

Which with what he has is truly the best option tbh

[torpid basin]

and lelwanis team is fine, 210 mil on twitch with lelwanis, torrin, irz, zorak, joyce

[dry citrus]

you can do 500m vs Vasska with Lelwanis

[torpid basin]

don't have her artifact

[dry citrus]

ok then less

[onyx lintel]

You can still do a lot without her arti

[torpid basin]

yeah I know, around 280 mil

[onyx lintel]

Right but then you would be doing a lot less on Twitch

Nah without her arti I think you can get it over 300m by a lot but it's a lot if luck and you can't split your summon team

You need her and Irz and the premium team to do it

[torpid basin]

well I haven't tried since week1

[onyx lintel]

You have to ask yourself if getting an extra 150-200m (maybe) on one can compensate for what you lose on others

[torpid basin]

I won't be able to use ice anywhere else

[onyx lintel]

Not to the same effect

[dry citrus]

what poison heroes do you have?

[torpid basin]

I can push ice probably to 230-240

[onyx lintel]

Poison is for TAMAR

[torpid basin]

205 on tamar last week

[dry citrus]

Poison can be used on Thelendor t oo

[barren pulsar]

stage 12, how?

[dry citrus]

ok you only have enough for 1 good poison team - I ran two poison teams in S1, no ice

[torpid basin]

I have 0 golden scrolls left anyway, so it has to be 2 summon teams now

[sour topaz]

👍

[torpid basin]

and if I only manage to get 160-170 mil on thelendor it'll probably be fine

can't get more than 155 on khrysos either, all other teams are fine

[sour topaz]

Changed the chest. Went from 500k to 600k+ on default. I need to work on timing still

[onyx lintel]

Why not?

[torpid basin]

dunno, I should probably buy an artifact for nastj

[onyx lintel]

What is your team?

[torpid basin]

I just got nastj today, so I am fairly unexperienced with dauntless

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[dry citrus]

show your dauntless heroes

[torpid basin]

only nastj and ivellios are scrolled

[sour topaz]

I need to build my dauntless heroes. Too🤔

[torpid basin]

using nastj, ivellios, schaltar, nathaniel and nimbus

[onyx lintel]

I would drop Schaltar for Sutha because of the way the shield works

[torpid basin]

sutha without scrolls?

[onyx lintel]

Nast has no scrolls either?

[torpid basin]

nastj and ivellios are scrolled

[jaunty cloak]

Where tharivol

[onyx lintel]

lol

[torpid basin]

no tharivol 😛

[onyx lintel]

Ez just pulll Tharivol

[jaunty cloak]

TharivLOL

[jaunty cloak]

Then use witch remains on sutha

[torpid basin]

...

[jaunty cloak]

But then who will use shoehorn

[onyx lintel]

Sutha not scrolled

So Ivellios is a weird dilemma here...

He does a lot of dmg but doesn't help at all with the shield

Except for atk speed buff

[torpid basin]

yeah

[onyx lintel]

So definitely drop Schaltar

Put Shagrol instead

On witches

[torpid basin]

he is doing almost 100k though :x

[onyx lintel]

Would your team overall do more than 100k if you dropped the shield faster

Shagrol triggers Nastjenka

[torpid basin]

I don't know, probably not - but I can try shagrol

I can free up 1 sutha dupe for an artifact btw

[onyx lintel]

What arti is currently on Nast????

[dry citrus]

it's mostly about buffing Nastj and Ivellios' dmg so we want dudes who do A LOT of basic attacks

[onyx lintel]

If you get Lamp for Nasty and but shoe on NIMBUS

And witches on Shagrol

And maybe even drop Nathaniel for Ihu... you will break 200m

[dry citrus]

so probably nastj, Ivellios, Shagrol, Nimbus and Nathaniel. We put this thing on Shag and Nimbus

[torpid basin]

pipe on nastj currently

[onyx lintel]

Nah

Get Lamp

that alone will probably get you an extra 20m

[dry citrus]

Lamp on Nasty, Wine of Dragon Blood on Nimbus, WR on Shagrol

[torpid basin]

I'll see if I can modify it so maybe I don't have to buy it, I am still missing hourglass

wouldn't pipe be better than dragon blood? he would boost himself and ivellios

[onyx lintel]

No he needs atk speed for shields

[dry citrus]

no, Nimbus does no dmg - we want basic attacks to trigger Nasty and Ivellios

[onyx lintel]

His ult scales duration on atk speed

So the more atk speeed, the longer his ult lasts

His ult is flagged as basic atks and happen much faster than basic atks

And can last 6s

[torpid basin]

alright!

[onyx lintel]

The gimmick of the fight is to remove the shield asap

Which means you have to sacrifice some brute force for speed

Individual dmg doesn't matter, it is about overall team dmg

[dry citrus]

not really - the shield is irrelevant. We're just building Nath, Shagrol and Nimbus to boost Nasty and Ivellios

[onyx lintel]

That's not true at all. That's like saying the buffs don't matter on Vinyara

[dry citrus]

mate, please

I did 330m on Nasty and we're not doing anything specifically to counter the shield

[torpid basin]

168, not bad - thanks!

[onyx lintel]

If you did something to counter the shield, you would've done more mate

Ask me how I know

[torpid basin]

lol

[dry citrus]

you don't know it seems

[torpid basin]

okay, so shagrol does very little damage, are there better epic options?

[onyx lintel]

It's not about his dmg

He's not supposed to do any dmg

He makes Nasty do more dmg and he breaks the shield faster

[torpid basin]

fair enough, so that setup is the best I can do with my roster? only artifacts/gear will improve it now?

[onyx lintel]

How much of your team dmg is Ivellios doing?

[dry citrus]

needed to refresh my memory - we counter the shield through our skill timings, that's it.

[onyx lintel]

There's 2 shields that trigger right

[torpid basin]

let me check again

[dry citrus]

these are the timings

obviously, yours will differ slighty as you bring other heroes but the principle remains

[dry citrus]

Nasty goes first, followed by WR and the rest

[dry citrus]

watch this and build your team similarly for optimal dmg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1nbBanjjdY - Sutha = Shagrol, Nimbus = Tharivol

[torpid basin]

thank you

and thanks to all of you!

[dry citrus]

you're welcome - I think you can set Nimbus to 20/18 (not 19), his ulti has a delay so the first hit should land right after the WR debuff

[torpid basin]

172, but they don't survive until the end

[dry citrus]

you'll need to tinker with stats, and if possible put this mythic on Shagrol and Nimbus. They deal irrelevant dmg themselves but will trigger Nasty and Ivellios often

[torpid basin]

gotcha

should I also use shagrols aura instead of nastj's?

[dry citrus]

I think Nastj's is better. We get so much attack speed from that mythic + you can go for attack speed stats on the runes for Shag and Nimbus

[jaunty cloak]

We can share links now?

[dry citrus]

you can share all the links, you want

[jaunty cloak]

Huh

I thought mods didn’t allow it

[dry citrus]

there are just rules for CCs, i.e. they cannot share their own videos through links as it would be a spam fest

[jaunty cloak]

[dry citrus]

you and I can share links to help people, no problem

[torpid basin]

190! I am using shoe on nastj, it might not be ideal

[dry citrus]

yeah not ideal - you'll go beyond 200m with a better arti for Nast

[dry citrus]

Lamp is the best non-exclusive arti for her. U can try with Monkey's arti and then go crit DMG gloves on Nasty with crit rate and att % sub stats

Something like this, ideally precise carnage gloves

[torpid basin]

monkey is a dps loss of 30-40k

190 is fine, thanks a lot!

[dry citrus]

something like this, ideally less crit rate and more crit dmg

[dry citrus]

good glove

[torpid basin]

yeah, it's a tailored one

[dry citrus]

yep I figured

we can squeeze out more dmg if you have a helm or weapon like in my picture

my helm -> your weapon

[torpid basin]

I do, but the set is giving me so much crit damage

and critrate too, other options aren't as good

[dry citrus]

ye ok good pieces. Anyway, the build I showed above is the ideal one if stats are good too. The gloves in my picture can be replaced by a well-rolled Wolfthorn Snare

[torpid basin]

yeah but as I said, I get more than 200 mil on all bosses except khrysos and thelendor so it should be fine

[dry citrus]

sure, you can probably also squeeze out more dmg if you increase attack speed on Shagrol and Nimbus through runes

[torpid basin]

will see if I have some

[torpid basin]

yeah they are already wearing att speed runes

[dry citrus]

probably as good as it gets until you get better gear, purchase lamp arti or scroll your leggos

[torpid basin]

I'll probably buy hourglass first, but thanks for the tips!

[dreamy musk]

Hey guys, can't bring this team over 200mil at the last stage of Endgame Dragon

Only get to 160 max...
But I see the same team everywhere with over 200mil easily... and worse stats.

What am I doing wrong?
Kindly help me out to optimize this

[azure sluice]

I assume by worse stats is less attack and damage... But higher resistance that allows them to resist the debuffs. Adolphus alone won't be enough to dispel all.

[azure sluice]

Honestly I think it's better to build up Rose instead of Gillian. You don't get many heroes that can heal while applying witch remains, and without needing accuracy (conditional).

[azure sluice]

Also the possible other team for continental challenge could be poison, using Twitch, Vicuc, Nathaniel, and 2 dps

[dreamy musk]

I mean, usually saw people put resist on 1 Hero with the Power of tides set
which I also tried

Should I strive for resist on all heroes?

I've also seen people have 240+ resist but isn't it not enough ?

[azure sluice]

High resistance that usually involve putting it on heroes that have talent to share 20% with heroes around him, that's why they usually wear Tides set. Errich doesn't have that talent. Dou you have Oggok? he has that talent.

[azure sluice]

or maybe they specifically timed the explosion at the moment the copperdragon got stunned and receive 50% more damage

[dreamy musk]

yeah I do! I see thanks for the tip

I'll try that

[solar valve]

isn´t that floras exclusive artifact on errich?

[rare parcel]

That's Nastjenkas exclusive artifact

Which doesn't apply the bonus effect but just the raw stats

[dreamy musk]

Yeah, just for the raw stats

[solar valve]

don´t you loose a ton of damage by not equipping it on flora?

[dreamy musk]

Oh, it's not floras

It's Nastjenka's

[solar valve]

ah, ok then

[azure sluice]

I remembered in old S3, the revelation of how good crit damage artifact is, leads to people using Rook exclusive artifact on any dps because it wasn't element locked like Lamp for lightning. Beldelle deal more damage using it instead of Blooms of Prena

[mild olive]

Hi all, struggling with my Vortex team (Iceblast). Anyone that can see what is wrong in DM? I currently get like 850M maximum and far from the value that CC makes:) In S2 btw, but guess Ice blast makes it clear:)

[dry citrus]

ping me and I'll have a look

[elder sinew]

anyone know a good timing for Khrysos for vortex?

[dreamy musk]

Thanks! re-built everyone for resistance and it worked like a charm

[strange plank]

anyone free to advic eme please

can anyone advice me on postition and any timings for this team please

anyone??

[rare parcel]

Sry no idea about Reytah
Probably need to have Durango in front then Lothar begin him. Twitch on one side and reytah on other side

[open hedge]

If anybody has any tips / pointers on how to get this team to survive / get a bit more damage output that would be ace

Currently at around 360M using Tidal, around the same with the ATK% skill but dying at around 40 seconds to go

[fleet sail]

35% blast mythic does nothing for durem

all his damage comes from a proc that happens because of blast, not blast itself

[open hedge]

ahh okay thanks

annoyingly that has my best crit rate / crit damage stats

but I'll try some of the other mythics that offer atk share etc

[urban aurora]

that mythic piece makes my durem deal 60m more dmg

[fleet sail]

really? Mine saw no difference

[urban aurora]

same with the piece that gives him atk% on debuffs , for w/e reason

[fleet sail]

attack% on debuffs defo worked

but the other one was a crapshoot with similar stats

[urban aurora]

i evenm lsot crit and critdmg for the 35% piece anbd stil had way mroe dmg

[open hedge]

would having more accuracy on him make him do more damage?

[urban aurora]

yes

he needs 150 accu + psycore

[open hedge]

okay

[urban aurora]

durem on the left = 600mil dmg

durem on the righjt = 400m

[open hedge]

haha yeah I can't get close that atk but I'll shuffle some bits around

[urban aurora]

make sure to use wave breaker aswell

oh, and u CAN do without any accu , but he will take way longer to gather the 20 stacks for the atk% increase

i went frm left to right armor, and felt a huge dmg increase

[open hedge]

Getting better

I need that final talent on Biggs too

[urban aurora]

does your torrin have 60 haste?

[open hedge]

yeah with Staff he does

I don't think I have good enough runes without

[urban aurora]

try with runes and haste set, and switch to staff

2 haste sets and 20 from runes

or find one mroe insiration 🍎

^^

[open hedge]

I don't survive the full round without tidal is my problem

[urban aurora]

karf dying first?

elminster has enough accu to hit his atk down?

[open hedge]

yeah elm has 220 acc

Karf generally dies first yeah but I've got more defence on him now

with Torrin on Horn with 60 haste

[urban aurora]

try some lifeleech on karf

[open hedge]

Tbh it's not Karf that's the issue as much as Elminster dying and then everything falls apart

[snow ingot]

Haha, had to try it after you said this. You made me insecure. Lost 100m without the blast myth xD

[urban aurora]

^this ^^

god im struggling so hard in planar with my summon team ,no ex on lelwanis, and everything falls apart

[snow ingot]

No ex hurts 🙈

[open hedge]

yeah you need to her to ramp where she just deathlocks all 3 😂

[urban aurora]

yep T_T

[open hedge]

Healer journ the new meta

[snow ingot]

Yea, the 200hp/s aura he provides is enough xD

[urban aurora]

is my vortex timing jsut bad?

struggling to get mroe than 1.1b

thats my belle

felosia has 393 enl , acilia has 443

thats my dps 2 min into the fight

switched timings to felosia at 26 , and the shield thingy at 14.5 - no im alive for 8 min, but my dmg is still only 1.1

[snow ingot]

Try zho 12/18 shin 14/18 bel 21/18
Or if your zho is i5, all 3 2s earlyer

Feli 26.5/20

Aci 13.9/20

[urban aurora]

good enough for me! thx a ton again !

---

[open hedge]

Big numbers

[snow ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/payday-pay-me-pay-attention-money-please-pay-up-gif-14444526

Get feliosa to 32-36 haste

[open hedge]

I'm gonna try this out

see if I can pump a little more damage

[urban aurora]

just 32-36 or can go above it?

[snow ingot]

Didnt try higher but may mess up the bs rota

[urban aurora]

32 it is ^^

[snow ingot]

🙂

There she always casts bs right before the Boss ult hits

[urban aurora]

not that my dps survived ^.^

[snow ingot]

😂

[open hedge]

We getting there

[fleet sail]

yeah with how high durem can go I might forsake my iceblast team and level more fire psychicore for CC score

[open hedge]

Deffo a cheaper investment

That's the top guy on our server, vortex is doing over 2B

[red laurel]

not sure which route i should take. it looks like i will only have enough dice to open 300 on one of the banners. should i shore up my necro/ice and grab folsia or hivtars arti, grab nastjenka, or go for more wild and grab flora's arti. i have lelwanis' arti.
here are all of my pulls so far

[fleet sail]

Nastjenka, felosia, or flora arti would be the 3 choices there imo. Flora arti would make your vortex team fairly strong but you NEED caspar and felicity to make her shine so you may not have her team even if you pull for her dupe.

Since Felosia isn't an exclusive, she'll be an opportunity cost for you even if she IS great.

Nastjenka will fill out your roster nicely cus you have all 3 of the dauntless she wants, but she won't really pay off until Genevieve comes out in S3

[open hedge]

I mean Felosia is huge but I just can't bring myself to pull for a selector that isn't a premium

Hvitar arti won't do loads for you I don't think outside of making her a menace in PVP, probs make Fey a lot easier too

[red laurel]

ya i would be hoping big on them dice pulls for a casper or felicity

[open hedge]

If you're near the end of S1 I wouldn't say Flora is great value

[fleet sail]

Nastjenka's probably the best pick overall cus it'll give you an almost guaranteed 200M team for CC/chaos shadows and a decent set up for endgame.

[open hedge]

Because she gets very quickly outclassed in S2

And you don't have the teammates

[fleet sail]

plus nastjenka's a pvp terror

and doesn't need nor want her arti there

[open hedge]

Your summon team is set for s1. And as @fleet sail says Nastjenka completes your dauntless team

[fleet sail]

OR you could just sit on those summons and splurge s2 on ice blast/thunderbolt/burn

[open hedge]

Where abouts in the season are you @red laurel?

[fleet sail]

Cus you have enough to rank relatively well on most servers that are currently on S1, and the highest ranks are for the hyper whales anyway...

[red laurel]

team arena just opened and on 2nd week on CC

[fleet sail]

ah you're still fairly early on

So you still have quite a long time to save for S2 summons

[open hedge]

are you worried about vortex ranking?

[fleet sail]

Nastjenka remains my pick if you want to pull an S1 exclusive, otherwise S2 Belldelle>belldelle arti>burn team(not aschetius, get the other two while pulling for bernade for your summon team.)>perkunte>perkunte arti

[red laurel]

right now im hitting about 300m-330m on my vortex around rank 14 or so

being out done by the wild teams

[fleet sail]

belldelle's a 2 birds 1 stone situation if you wait for her.

Ignores half the dungeon mechanics through sheer dps output

[open hedge]

Yeah Beldelle destroys dungeons, so great for speedrunning early and getting loads of psychicore

[fleet sail]

and outdamages flora in vortex

[open hedge]

Puts you in a good spot early in the season

[fleet sail]

at least until flora gets a hyper specific comp (khrysos required) and hyper specific gear

and even then depends on which affixes apply for the week

[open hedge]

Ice Blast can even work well against some comps in PVP

Especially if you have some decent radiance supports

[fleet sail]

anything that can't burst them gets eaten yeah

[open hedge]

Plus they're way more flexible than wild as you only need 3 offensive characters to maximise it

So you can run a way tankier team with a lot more survivability

So yeah if your self control is better than mine, wait for Beldelle

[fleet sail]

Nastjenka on the other hand is an investment for season 3 when she becomes amazing with the new exclusive

supposedly she keeps up with low investment Rook

[open hedge]

Tbh if he's at mid season he could pick up Nast and still get to 300 again by S3

[fleet sail]

if not surpasses him

[red laurel]

ya im thinking i will grab nastjenka and save for s2
i might get lucky in the blade coliseum and get some nice takes of dice

[fleet sail]

almost guaranteed top 20 if you have a brain on current s1 servers lol

new players aren't particularly good at building comps and assigning gear so you've got a leg up if you think about it instead of throwing together random champs

[azure sluice]

My only healer is Utior with Monelisse set. I just brought Joyce as well. Against Alton, Joyce summon, resurrected clone, Irzillas summon from dead Joyce clone, and resurrected summons is so many that Alton spread out the targetting. Now I'm just waiting for Tiamat event for actual healing.

[fleet sail]

in blade arena?

[bright dock]

Hello everyone sharing my non legendary def and support team for labyrinth of curiosities. Hope this helps.

[fleet sail]

that's what I was talking about

blade arena, not overall

[fleet sail]

yeah plus it'll teach people about what comps work and which don't, over time

[sour oriole]

I agree, amazing addition

[violet nexus]

Anyone have any ideas for a team lineup for Fey 205? Here are my champs. Been trying for a week.

[urban aurora]

mind sending a screen what your up against?

[violet nexus]

This is it

[urban aurora]

wbat are u using in that pic in the upper lewft corner, is that lelwanis?

[violet nexus]

Its Gillian, I have been trying everyone

[urban aurora]

you got zero dmg in that team

got any holy hunter sets?

this is ripekas passive

your really helpngn him out with that much healing

[violet nexus]

I have sets,

I know I have to many supports, but can not get a team to survive

[urban aurora]

ripekas/torrin , zharloth + 2 dds

zhar in holy hunter with witches

elminster is not helping you too much there - his control imune is on his bskill

[violet nexus]

Okay.

2 DDS??

[urban aurora]

maybe ladehlia

[violet nexus]

WHo would you suggest

Okay

[urban aurora]

personally i would msot likely still stick in vinyara - and manually ult whoever gets ouzt of the holy hutner stuns

[violet nexus]

What gear would you run on Ripekas, currently in Holy Hunter with Witches Remains?

[urban aurora]

can try to make quesitia target him with her bullcrap ccs aswell

[violet nexus]

Okay

[urban aurora]

nono, ripekas in the 1% ult on hit set

he needs to be tanky

[violet nexus]

Okay

[urban aurora]

could even try him in resist

[violet nexus]

Will try that

[urban aurora]

how much accu is needed to hit n 255?

[violet nexus]

280

[urban aurora]

ouch

[violet nexus]

yep

[urban aurora]

hmm

yeah, resist is most likely not gonna cut it then

you can try to get to 280 accu and resist, but his tankiness might really suffer that way

[violet nexus]

he is at 275 at moment

[urban aurora]

and resist?

and is that with holy hunter?

1%ult set is 40 accu aswell

[violet nexus]

59 Resist with Holy Hunter

[urban aurora]

something like this

and add 1 slot of invincibility mythic

[violet nexus]

I have a fair bit of that gear, let me try to get similar

[urban aurora]

imperial oath can be great aswell --> if control on enemy that is debuffed --> 10% reduced ult energy on enemy

[violet nexus]

Okay will have a look at that also

[urban aurora]

another thing u can try is stacking resistance on torrin, and spreading it to your team

you would have to stack them up though --> all get hit by aoe, BUT you only have to deal with the dmg and not the debuffs and cc anymore

but i think u cna manage with jsut stunning them

iola + holy hunter set is super ncie aswell

[violet nexus]

Okay, I will do that on Iola and Torrin, half way through Ripekas build now. will let you know how I go. Thanks Suene, greatly appreciated

[urban aurora]

the thing with stun sets is, that u gotta run the fight a few tiems, casue the proc rate is low

np, yw

im off to bed now anyways ^^

[violet nexus]

Okay mate, thank you again, great info

[azure sluice]

https://discordapp.com/channels/928541801260908546/1428283485776379997 somewhat like this, but I think I used Tamar + Sigrid as dps. Basically positioned Journ with stun set and hourglass in the middle to stun them with his battle skill alongside Ripekas

[fervent cairn]

should i use crit damage or crit rate on gloves for main stat for belledelle

[strange fox]

Crit rate

[severe cedar]

Critical rate everywhere

[rose jetty]

Saw your Summon vs Alton video, may I ask why both Sintrella and Irz use the 20% bonus atk set? Does the effect trigger for both of them ? .

[severe cedar]

No my sintrelia is with attack gear 2 legendary and 2 mythical

[severe cedar]

I did a bit upgrade yesterday
About irzilas changed all of him
But on video is like it

[snow ingot]

Try hourglass on i5 sintrellia

Gave me ~30-50m more

[covert crest]

Thats mostly thanks to the battle skill putting in a full shift (proccing more often)!

[snow ingot]

Yo, 99.9% uptime

Was more dmg than 1k more atk on sint

[dry citrus]

keep slaying, shoq!

[snow ingot]

Done slaying for today 🤣

[dry citrus]

my turn then

[violet nexus]

Hey Everyone, still having trouble beating Fey 205. Had some great help, but unfortunately still can't beat it. Any ideas?

[snow ingot]

Ripekas, zarloth, torrin, vinjara, vorresh or dps or shielder as needed

[violet nexus]

Thank you, any thoughts on special gear for champs

[snow ingot]

Ripekas = ult when hit
Zarloth = stun set
Torrin = team dmg reduce
Vinyara = the set with haste that gives dmg up

[violet nexus]

Thanks Shoquin

[violet nexus]

So Torrin with

Vinyara with

[bitter atlas]

Used to survive the whole 10 min in vortex 3 but now team dies at the 5 min mark. Should i replace adolphus with a buffer suuport?

[icy fiber]

Hey everyone first time poster. Im stuck at a few challenges in s2. Heretical and ancestral level 12, fey 280-281, several challenge modes level 4-6. I was wondering, is there a good resource to see different metas and team builds with skill timings for different areas? Including cc.

So I dont end up asking for a dozen different builds here and hopefully skip just manually searching through these messages. Thanks in advance!

[dry citrus]

you can find a lot on youtube -> "dragonheir heretical ruins 12" -> "dragonheir fey 300" etc

[icy fiber]

Oh okay, I have started checking out different creators. Gorax, sloth, skratch. They are great. Just wanted to see what feedback I would get here. Thank you!

[azure sluice]

Yeah, I also recommend Wilsunbox because usually he's pretty quick on making f2p/budget team. Even if you are veteran with a lot of legendaries, sometimes you don't have 1 or 2 key heroes that used in whale team so you need to get some idea from f2p team

[icy fiber]

I will check him out! I played in the first release so my account is in a pretty good spot with lineups but I am missing a few top tier characters

[latent ridge]

Hello, what improvements could I make to my pvp team? Not sure what stats to prioritize on GUL either. Still S1

[quartz sapphire]

I wouldn’t use that artifact on Hvitar. It’s better on Auster.
Gul usually the hourglass wilder in the team.
But generally just see why you lose and try to improve that factor.

[sly hornet]

hey guys what comp should i use on the necro team cause i dont have lewl for continental bosses what should i focus ?

[latent ridge]

What’s a better tank to use?

I have Berengar also

[urban aurora]

got lucien?

id drop eurion for berengar , no questions asked

[latent ridge]

Not yet

[latent ridge]

Okay, yeah he’s the only other tank I really have that’s good so far

Plan on getting Lucien when the chance pops up

I don’t have Auster yet either as I prioritized my Flora Wild team first before pvp frost team

[urban aurora]

lossenia is fine

put her into holy hunter set, and her battleskill is actually quite ncie aswell, when she drops it on berengar

[latent ridge]

Okay bro thank you very much 👍

What artifact is best for hvitar? In PvP

[hardy geyser]

Can anyone rec a comp for fey 279? Really stuck

[hardy geyser]

hell yeah, thanks!

[remote vortex]

Second pull might be crazy

[jaunty cairn]

anyone have an answer for fey 215?

[dry citrus]

yes, defeat the enemies

that will take you to stage 216

[violet nexus]

LOL

@dry citrus That is probably my answer to Fey 205

[midnight raft]

@jaunty cairn Reppekas Torrin felocia Prem Zarloth

stun set on all Aoe

Felo on Oak set

you can also use Eurion here instead of Zarloth sand give reppekas stun set with high DeF and High accuracy

this team will carry you to 300

[north sonnet]

Which heroes do you team up with DL on a full necro team?

[jaunty wolf]

since when do ppl build team around support or tank ?

[acoustic fable]

I use her with burn 🙂

[jaunty wolf]

she remove buffs from enemy (let you put burn on them), prevent buffs, apply attack down. If with summon she heal and power up team based on hp, attack, deffense of summons that died

so yeah can work with burn can work with summon but she is support not something you build team around you add her to team when team need what she can do

strong shutdown for burn is if team have lots of debuff imunity, some ppl build teams with perma debuff imunity in pvp. So remove buffs, prevent buffs... does wonders for burn

[fleet sail]

she's the healer supp in a team with 4 summs and 1 supp, otherwise she works well ANYWHERE that has constant enemy death and other than that is a mainly defensive support.

[fleet sail]

her damage is good for pvp too, but it's icing on a cake with plenty of other features

[jaunty wolf]

show us her dmg vs durems dmg 😛

[fleet sail]

on harpy

That's i0 with arti

the orbs die so fast her dps kinda suffers

gotten close to 100k when orb resurrection lined up well with harpy dying

think she's gonna be a monster on AOE fights like irzillas

also she hits max stacks of the +atttack on debuff mythic item REALLY quickly

I think with a group of dedicated debuff spammers she might be disgusting

pvp her damage is absurd

she's like a much tankier hvitar

on harpy challenge mode she can easily sustain 130k+ with my okay-ish gear

[wind iris]

Mind showing her gear?

[wind iris]

Interesting ! I dont have her arti though 🙁 but shes really dope regardless

Thanks

[fleet sail]

yeah without her arti, her damage is MUCH lower and she's more of a healer/defensive support

[wind iris]

I run her on holy hunter and hourglass

[jaunty wolf]

Pretty sure durem dmg suffer there not her. And suffer is not even begining to explain. From what i saw her dmg is comparable to premsa depends on build can be higher but comparable to her.

[fleet sail]

yeah and she DEFINITELY scales with other people's debuffs

cus she does a lot more damage when placed with someone like elminster that gives debuffs she doesn't have

[jaunty wolf]

Her arti dmg dont crit. This cut her dmg down.

Durem crit so when durem start doing dmg its not even comparable. Its kindof like with premsa. Lelwanis takes time to build 70 stacks. And untill then she look like bad joke compated to premsa. Build stacks and premsa dont exist as dps.

[fleet sail]

I think with a full debuff lockdown team in pvp she'll be a terror

great synergy with ghul'ende

[jaunty wolf]

Also if am not wrong tiamat arti dmg is not derivative (didnt test but its not in description) so no buff from derivative effects also cutting dmg

[fleet sail]

and ripekas

yeah but it's 200% per debuff per tick which is pretty absurd even without enl scaling

[jaunty wolf]

In pvp yes with arty she goes crazy. But 75% cance to remove buffs is not good. Meaning teams with high resistence and debuf imunity will make her look like joke

[fleet sail]

curious if each frost stack counts as a separate debuff

[fleet sail]

75% chance twice though cus her ult hits multiple times

so in reality it's gonna be a lot closer to 80-90% chance to dispel each time

[jaunty wolf]

Pretty sure was not per debuff its 200% if enemy have debuff. If it was per debuf then yes would be beyond broken

[fleet sail]

it's per debuff.

for each type of debuff they have

[jaunty wolf]

Will check later again but how i remember was just constant 200% if any debuff

Per debuf would mean she is the highest dps in game 😅

[fleet sail]

type of debuff I assume means each unique one, like buff block, attack down, def down, etc

it literally says "for each type of debuff they possess, they take 200% attack from the dark lady every 2 secs"

So ripekas is making her deal like 800-1000% attack every 2 secs while his debuffs are up

[jaunty wolf]

Damn yeah wording make it sound like its for every damn. That can make her the strongest dps in game 😅

[fleet sail]

yup, scales infinitely with targets and unique debuffs

Makes her incredibly potent with necrosis's debuff spread

I'm gonna see how she does replacing either elminster or torrin for irzillas once the week rolls over

pretty sure she's gonna make my durem team break like 500M lol

[jaunty wolf]

Maybe come up with mixed up team debufs only dont care afinity 🤣😂

[fleet sail]

the affinity buffs her so much I'm not sure

but in pvp for sure she can probably do something degenerate like 1 poison 1 frost ripekas, her, healer

[jaunty wolf]

Any way you will see some problems vs few teams. Saw some ppl build perma debuff imunity in pvp. With remove debuff, revive and heal.

[fleet sail]

and anything with wide-range battle skill debuffs will make her an AOE nastjenka

I wonder if CC counts as a debuff

cus if so elecbre and her are gonna be bffs

[jaunty wolf]

Think control does. But had weird interactions with burn and poison before not reacting like debuff properly

[fleet sail]

her and premtsa may actually be more damage than irzillas and her

just cus premtsa can provide the derivative damage debuff

and she may deal more damage than the buff to lelwanis

[urban aurora]

imagine it was stacks, and you pair with poison T_T

[jaunty wolf]

not sure if premsas summons actually interact right with tiamat. Was runing fights at X3 or X4 so maybe i got wrong impression but didnt look like they react right

[jaunty wolf]

at that point ingnore affinity pair with poison+ sleight + burn and have fun XD

[warm notch]

I hate this stage!!!

[solar valve]

you know that you have to place characters in the ships for bonusses?

[warm notch]

I forgot...... i thot its automatically activate

[azure sluice]

Btw, do you think she moves very fast? I used the talent that grant 3% energy when debuffing every 10s but I feels like she's faster than that.

[fleet sail]

She battle skills right at the start so she gets her damage going right at 0 seconds

And SHE doesn't really need to ult to hurt

She just needs someone else to put out debuffs

So you can throw hourglass on like, ripekas

[urban aurora]

i like running ladehlia atm, counters nastjenka teams

[jaunty wolf]

dont make much sense all she can do is repositioning dont think that do much 🤔

Weird part is bigby pasive is push back someone that goes mele range and apply attack penalty. So should do solid vs her but for some reason seams his pasive dont trigger properly XD

[azure sluice]

Damn Bigby is still disappointing again?

[stray dock]

whats the timing for this team in vortex

[azure sluice]

Have you successfully used her in grave of venom btw? How do you keep your tank survive the whole time?

[fleet sail]

probably only on the x axis. wouldn't be surprised if it were only for units with a melee tag though

lahdelia and journ float when they go in

[fleet sail]

guessing this is as high as I get without lelwanis on alton

[snow ingot]

Tryed isitarian instead premsta?

[azure sluice]

What is the formation for this?

[fleet sail]

I did not

[fleet sail]

durem, karf (witch's), khrysos (gets destroyed still at challenge 6 but I don't have the last two rows of defensive traits yet...) torrin, dark lady

[junior fossil]

thought dh could heal a lot

dl*

[fleet sail]

She's healing quite a bit but alton's damage done is EXTREMELY low since most of his hits are hitting the summons

[azure sluice]

Khrysos as pure tank? What do you suggest as replacement

[junior fossil]

you rkn her healing amount would be on par with normal healers or sub healers

[azure sluice]

On par, stronger if you can time it using Lelwanis sacrifice

[jaunty wolf]

But no problem bigby apply attack penalty to corosion 24/7 🤣😂

[jaunty wolf]

But it for moment then they gi back. Does it actually do enough 😅

[jaunty wolf]

Less than ppl think. Not sure howit is at i5. Maybe it depends on type of sumon and premsa skulls dont do job 😅

[fleet sail]

No idea, as I said, challenge 6 is still wrecking him

even with 6k defense the only one that survives the first salvo is eurion for me xD

[urban aurora]

even with atk down from beginning?

[fleet sail]

yeah it's ridiculous

but I have no defensive traits in the last two rows of the core yet

[azure sluice]

tbf, this week effect is very bad for debuff team

[strange fox]

Use Berengar and problem solved 😄 even with that, her healing seems to be quite tricky in challenge venom 6. But her dispel of shields and buffs is amazing

[fleet sail]

I mostly brought her as a dps

[strange fox]

I m kinda evading venom challenge 6 cause I cannot use 4 buff drop crystals

[fleet sail]

cus the consistent damage on all 5 targets is pretty nice

[strange fox]

You mean with the artifact?

[fleet sail]

yeah

she can pretty easily go above 200k dps with others applying debuffs for her

all while making everyone tankier and applying much needed debuffs

[strange fox]

Still thinking if I want to sacrifice her i1 for the artifact

[fleet sail]

it's obscene for pvp

works really well with ripekas, burn, and next season she'll be disgusting with thunderbolt comps

since she'll soften them up and keep them from being full health when perkunte ults

[azure sluice]

I'm more interested with her interaction with Tamar honestly (sadly Fathomdown is pushed to S4). If S2 Necro-Fire is the pairing of energy manipulation, S3 Necro-Thunder is control.

She can apply damage in stun team. This means necro has alternative angle other than Shadow assassin burst.

In pvp I mean

[fleet sail]

yeah she'll be good there too, but she'll also synergize pretty well with shadow I think

cus if shadow kills at least one enemy in their opening burst, now they're all permanently stronger for the next burst

[fleet sail]

irzillas tanks better than her imo just because having her arti on her is far more damage than irzillas gains through gear

for sure she's a must have for summon teams and anywhere her passives and debuffs work

[azure sluice]

And if the future season is similar to pre relaunch, then a hero that can dispel all buff & shield and apply buff prohibition will be MVP, especially against the Moth boss on fey. Victor would help a lot back then.

[fleet sail]

I think endgame could be trimmed down to like... 2-3 days

at least the final boss

and UE for SURE doesn't need to be as long as it is

[azure sluice]

I'm fine as it is, as I am not that active because of job limitations. I just wish the miniboss part have better reward. The long OE parts are artifact of older version with 15 teams and actual reward

[fleet sail]

I'm mostly talking about how you finish part 1 in an hour

then you wait 3 days

finish the next part in an hour

and then check back for the leaderboard just before the reset it ends

whole lotta waiting around involved there

[azure sluice]

Tbh that's because we are in high power server. Newer, weaker server won't do it as quickly.

Oh yeah, the first month is not as necessary since the grind are lessened.

[livid arrow]

Can you recommend a team for Ancient Battlefield?

[strange fox]

Hello guys, can you help me with vortex score? Now doing around 1.07 bilion dmg at derivative week

[austere kite]

Fey 184 wtf? Help

[tardy rampart]

hey ! juststarted s2, any specific timer for ardreth and fleosia in vortex ? gor ardreth e4

[snow ingot]

Feli 21.5 or 26.5 or 30.4. Ardreth free

[neat hearth]

How the hell do people have Chest and Gloves on the first day of Season 2?
I managed to craft 2 legendaries, being friends with Thelendor and Tharivol, and steal two
Epics from a vendor in Teneebria, but that's was all I could find =/

[tardy rampart]

ok i did with 26.5 felo and at 150 stack of boss my team is dying but not ardreth imma try other one

[fleet sail]

they hadn't done their duels and being friends season 1

cus iirc there's quite a few in among those

maybe some from side quests too?

[neat hearth]

Uhn, so Challenges also rewards Ores to craft, right? I see...

Who else gives Ores for friendship, btw?

[tardy rampart]

and, any timing for shinnah beldell gerthin ? or i jsut let them bcause its all about battleskill soo ..

[fleet sail]

no idea, I did them all season 1

[fleet sail]

shinnah first, bell and gerth 2-3 secs later so they don't waste their ults' extra crystals

[snow ingot]

Remove gerthin and put in bleddyn.

And make sure bel got highest atk

[meager spade]

Dark Lady is Badass!

[dull crater]

I always build my team around vinyara since you can place her furthest back and she will be immune to the stun from the boss

[dull crater]

My team is Eurion felosia vinyara belledelle and Shinnah but you could throw in another shielded/healer other than Felosia and two big damage dealers .
Last season I used Hvitar and Lossenia.

[azure sluice]

What's your timing? I still have problem with challenge 4

[dull crater]

So I try to just time vinyara to dispel the buffs on the boss close enough to the ultimate so she still has attack penalty on him… let me check

I just realized I never did challenge four I forgot about it. But I just did it now…

I feel like if you time Vinyara to go around 15 20 and Eurion and Felosia ( or Felosia stand in) who can provide some good damage mitigation go just after her

and then try to have your damage dealers hit in the window when the boss has knock back so you can kill him faster. Also when in doubt use the food that gives you ice damage and defence

That’s what worked for me

[warm notch]

Anyone know any alt team other than radiance for Journ cont challenge? I literally only have the horse dude and gillian. Journ is the only one left for the chief challenge. Would poison work? Frost? Lightning?

[dull crater]

I was considering Maybe frost as they can do some aoe damage . I’m not sure what kind of score you would be looking at

[fleet sail]

dauntless

But no team without an exclusive legendary is gonna do well besides burn team

[warm notch]

Unfortunately my burn team is on irzillas. Still 1 more days so we will see.

[fleet sail]

oh no i mean in general

irzillas is best for burn

dauntless does well on journ though even though they have no aoe

but idk how they do without nastjenka

[warm notch]

Alrighty!

[urban aurora]

with enough skill haste inyara can go twice

[viral lodge]

What lineup are people using to kill the goblins in under 45s in universal challenge?

[snow ingot]

Burn or rally

[azure sluice]

What is the team comp for that? I don't have Gladys, Hubert, or Aschetius, so I still struggle right now, my fastest is 56s with rally

I used Thelendor, Lorentheel, Philto, Alvis and Rose on witch remains, but yeah that's my best

[snow ingot]

Try karf, durem, beags, dark lady and 1 burn more

Delay the casts

[dry citrus]

right on, grenade!

[coral gazelle]

Any idea which team to use in universe expedition 5?

[mint coral]

maybe an updated team you used for goblins (frost)
tho to be fair i used poison with Lothair

[jaunty wolf]

Frost should probably be easiest to make work there but seams ppl pulled off other things too. Problem is poison need to build up stacks have big spikes and drops in dmg, burn takes too long to build up stacks... Premsa maybe would work I did tank + 4 ice blast. Hvitar, vidimir, losania, auster

losania have really low cd. Austor resets cd fast with pasive. Hvitar does full 15 sec of derivative dmg and execute. And vidimir recharge ulty when enemy under frost dies

[solar valve]

@jaunty wolf 170 milions max with no timings

timings and or sub?

[jaunty wolf]

not sure what fight is that ?

[solar valve]

against talwer 🎉

[jaunty wolf]

hmmmm is frost even worth it 😅

[solar valve]

do you have any suggestion; i have tried 1-2 hours today. my gear is what it is

i only would like 200 mil

then i can save and i´m done with CC

[jaunty wolf]

For starters not much fan of ring you use on hvitar wonder if it evne works right and even more wonder if it works on her. Would try derivative on her cos 15 sec of derivative dmg

[solar valve]

fan?

[jaunty wolf]

not sure if frost can pull off high scores they tend to be weird but who knows maybe didnt try enough

yeah fan for example

[solar valve]

i only need 30 milions

what timers would you do?
i have all max skilled

[jaunty wolf]

basically if enemy is under frost when hvitar trow ulty she does some direct dmg, if they have frozen they take extra dmg and then she change weather to winter for 15 sec. When winter her pasive works so doing derivative dmg as long as enemy is under frost effect. Dmg not that high but 15 sec add up

[snow ingot]

Was my talwer team

[jaunty wolf]

its weird team. when it comes to timers. Losania is like 9 sec. Auster reduce cd based on attacking frozen targets so i guess attack speed depends how fast her recharge ulty... not sure if setting timers in any way end up kind of crippling

[jaunty wolf]

hmmm currious how much dmg did you pull off with hocadir? Dont recall trying him as dps always more like enabler

[snow ingot]

Lossenia was my main dps. Hochadir was needed to let her do even more dmg because of her bs

210-220m iirc

[jaunty wolf]

think problem with Hvitar in pve is this, think her artifact increase treshold so maybe would make it work but dont have it

[snow ingot]

Have no hvitar or auszer so i had to be creative 😂

[jaunty wolf]

o damn XD

any way ppl tend to put WR on auster cos he resets ulty fast so will apply it often to do his pasive

ofc losanias ulty is like 9 sec initial use... but still maybe worth trying to make her do dmg and put WR on him

[snow ingot]

Together with a mele i think she was at 800k dps iirc

But mine is i5 😅 🙈

[jaunty wolf]

Was buissy with other stuff so didnt bother too much with tweaking and trying... just try 1-2 times and if its like 200+ next did try more on journ cos well dont have good rally team

did try frost didnt like score changed did poison and finished with that

[solar valve]

@snow ingot thanks to you i saw that i only had one blue support gear set. 19 mil missing now

[snow ingot]

Ah lol you were talking about talwer 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

This team was my s1 twitch team 😂

[snow ingot]

On talwer i saw somewhere a team with premsta at 200m

[jaunty wolf]

Didnt have time to do stuff right 😅

[solar valve]

i tried premsta and did 70 mil only, but i didn´t try hard with that one

[snow ingot]

Triumph RPG got a Video on yt

[solar valve]

is this set not used anymore?

pupeteer better?

[jaunty wolf]

you have hocadir or olgan to try how it would be if you have them giving 20% - 25% frost team buff ?

[solar valve]

i´ll try hochadir instead of auster next...

[jaunty wolf]

hmmm probably that set they already have like 18 sec cd on ulty auster even less.

[snow ingot]

I would use both

[solar valve]

thanks a lot
@jaunty wolf @snow ingot

[jaunty wolf]

Nice

what did you change? add puppeteer set or?

[solar valve]

a lot of things 😉

yes, pupeteer,
fan on hvitar and enlightenment rune
this game is too much for me.
but i´m glad i can chill til endboss now...

[jaunty wolf]

well its fun if you have time to test and adjust stuff but sometimes no time for that 😅

[azure sluice]

what's your formation for Journ

[jaunty wolf]

was this cant open Journ so puppet...

Didnt put timings cos not fully scrolled Alton (half way). So solution was to make Lorental drop ulty as offten as possible. Making it almost always active. Had Wellby sometimes do triple cast do to his energy recharge from rally stacks and lorental ulty energy recharge

Best i could do with what i have Maybe if i waited 1 more day would have more psi core to up dmg but well i didnt.

Maybe i could have used Brotherhood set on Ardeth but didnt have time and patience to try more so was score you saw

This positioning make boss tottally ignore wellby no dmg on him no debuffs nothing

[quartz sapphire]

All the rally was unscrolled.
Alton with witches. No timing.
2 dd on back of top, the rest front bottom. Mith tanking

[fleet sail]

I gotta figure out how to make thunderbolt do 200M on talwer with no arti but perkunte available, myself

[halcyon creek]

who should I go for from the banner to get the most bang for my buck? Flora, Nastjenka, or someone else?

[quartz sapphire]

Is this a frost on Talwer? If yes can you be kind and send me the team code please?! Pretty please 🫣

[solar valve]

yeah. thanks to ENma and Shoquin i was able to make it to 200 mil

i don´t know how to do a code, but i will check...

[azure sluice]

Mine

[solar valve]

@quartz sapphire

S2251031EOABIAFM

[azure sluice]

Thx, finally done mine

[quartz sapphire]

You Sir are a freaking Legend

[jaunty wolf]

good 🙂

[neat hearth]

So, with the release of the Dark Lady, is Bernarde will needed for Summon Teams? Does she even have a place?

[fleet sail]

very

Tiamat replaces the healer, not the buffers

[pulsar elbow]

algum tem teamcode de um time poison pra qqr boss do continental?

[tardy rampart]

hey !here is my box, i would like to help for grave of curse, normal and challenge mod plz any team comp + skill timing plz ?

[dull remnant]

do you have vidimir

if so you can have this team

[jaunty wolf]

Its grave of curse not venom. This is solid team for venom. Can work in curse up to some level but when difficoulte go up well you need different things. Remove buffs from boss or he does masive dmg (so vinyara)

at 6 it get buffs 30% attack and 30% dmg. At 12 it gets shield based on dmg it attack did. at 18 does big dmg and tend to kill if you didnt remove buffs boss get at 6. And if you team dont have any buffs. Some ppl remove buff before shield attack hits so less shield. Some do to cooldowns cant so do it after. Also vinyara dont just remove buffs she reduce energy to one of 3 bars. So depends how her ulti is timed boss attack at 18 becomes 19-24 based on how you timed vinyaras ulti.

so need to adjust this based on how your cool downs are make it 24 if you have unscrolled or make it 19 if no CD problems. Also its nice if you get shield before attack at 18 (19-24) cos boss tends to reduce your healts as he does dmg. Having shield before that attack tends to make boss reduce your HP size less.

[dull remnant]

oh ya i apologize i´ve mixed the team names on my end my bad.
you can still use same team But instead of vidimir and lossenia you´ll use beldelle and shinna
This is the team i´m using as i don´t have shinna i´m using gerthin but it´s doing prety good like that.

[jaunty wolf]

well on higher ranks you need vinyara to remove boss buffs cos it will kill all including tank if you dont kill him fast. With beldelle possible to kill fast but not all have her and probably not all have proper power to do it fast.

Yeah easy to mix up names i tend to check before typing 😅

[dull remnant]

This is the team i´m using for curse and if having them full scrolled you won´t need to worry about the timing
With this team you will be aiming on killing the boss on quick round and not making it last for long time.

[jaunty wolf]

o yeah you right just saw she have beldelle so yeah better do it like this just fast take down

[dull remnant]

Yep with this team stage 20 took me min and this is not so perfect gear on beldelle or gerthin but with shinna instead of gerthin will be even faster after putting the right set on them

[tardy rampart]

so, just doing this without any timer ? cause im on day 3/4 of season 2 smthing like that so i dont have a excellent gear for now XD and were cap at lvl 59

[dull remnant]

hmm you can actually try first and see if it will work out or not if it didnt work out for you will give you some timing to use according to which stage you gonna reach

[jaunty wolf]

did explain logic behind how fight work so you can build around that but good chance you can ignore it and just kill with beldalle

[tardy rampart]

ther esomething i miss .. i time some spell but .. after somes round, my ultimate arent at the same timing and i did on 18 second rotation

[jaunty wolf]

Question you using team he sugested or vinyara ?

[tardy rampart]

actually i got beldell eurion shinnah felosia vinyara

[jaunty wolf]

if you using team he suggested maybe you set timing to be lets say 16 but your skill cool down is 18 or 20 so it will go out of sinc

[tardy rampart]

i tryed my old team with torrin that worked good ( torrin replac felosia ) but i dont remember the tiling i used at s1

[jaunty wolf]

for example initial use 11,4 sec, you can use skill after that at 18.9 sec intervals. If you set skill at 16 for example it will not work how you want you need to increase haste to make this timer 16 or less

also some characters have energy drain like vinyara.so that boss have 18 sec but this skill can make it 19-24 instead cos it drain energy and slow down boss

i dont know your full team so am just guessing but one of this 2 things is probably problem

[tardy rampart]

oooooh thats the thing, m vinyara energy drain changed all my timer

[jaunty wolf]

not all just reduce it to last bar boss used

so lets say boss fire skill at 6 sec, you use skill at 11 sec, this reduce boss energy to 6 sec. Now boss last skill is not 18 now its extended by +5 cos you drain 5 sec from him

if you used skill at 9 this means you reduced his energy to 6 so this is +3 sec, if you use it at 7 sec its +1

so need to adjust it acording to that or you can use this to fit in non scrolled heroes that have 24 sec cd

[tardy rampart]

oowkayyyy

[jaunty wolf]

bosses usually are imune to this but this one is not 😅

[tardy rampart]

is it normal to have somes toruble to beat challenge dungeon lvl 2 ? bcuse we are lvl 59 vs lvl 225, no rune no all talent .. or this is just me ? xd

[jaunty wolf]

hmmm challenge 2 think it was not that hard but well depends also on stats and sometimes if timings are good other times dont even care about timings

also some characters make big difference

felosia add some crazy shielding and dmg reduction can be almost like cheat at times

[tardy rampart]

yeah felosia is sooo strong even i0 XD

[jaunty wolf]

yep