📊┆dragon-lineup-help

[maiden skiff]

Voresh is a great and versatile hero

After like a million runs I atleast managed to do 210m haha

[open hedge]

I'm using Vidimir and Rowena in my end game ice teams and they're doing decent numbers for epics,

[open hedge]

So they will deffo carry you through the story!

haha nice, man I guess Nastjenka is really needed for big numbers

I'm using monkey as my main DPS in my dauntless team haha

[maiden skiff]

Funny is that my dps Sutha is one of the few who survived the entire fight haha

[spare finch]

This is what I’m currently running is this is any good?

[open hedge]

I don't think you need 2 tanks

[maiden skiff]

Yeah, really hard to do high numbers without NastyJ same with Lewanis

[maiden skiff]

Try with voresh instead of dalbam or whatever his name is

Voresg is an epic gem

[open hedge]

yeah he is good, I think Rowena will do more DPS than Ladelhia in that set up too

[spare finch]

Should I swap?

[maiden skiff]

Better to have more ice/frost

Try think it will go better

[open hedge]

yeah I would swap Ladelhia for Rowena

Swap the ice gnome for voresh

[maiden skiff]

And replace dalbam with voresh

[open hedge]

you'll get torin soon?

[snow ingot]

Eurion, zarloth, estella (when you unlock him, take torrin instead) as core.
Then as needed the other 2 spots.

[open hedge]

could stick zharloth in for the clown

[snow ingot]

He doesnt really got an frost enabler

[maiden skiff]

Yeah Temu Ghulende can be better

Going to be my new name for Zharloth, so funny i laughed so hard when I saw the name

To bad he doesn't have Rava

Show only your frost heroes

[spare finch]

Just got these 2

[spare finch]

Okay

[snow ingot]

If he got Sigrid in the part thats cut off, there would be a whole team 🙂

[maiden skiff]

Nice Felicity is great

[maiden skiff]

To bad you don't have the epic Rava

[snow ingot]

You got poison rare sigrid?

[maiden skiff]

Yeah Tonalnan and Felicity can be really good

[snow ingot]

Shes poison element support

[maiden skiff]

An archer

[open hedge]

hahaha, glad you found it amusing. Take it, it's yours!

Felicity is a great pull

[spare finch]

What should I use

[maiden skiff]

Oh the awful spores

[buoyant plinth]

Guys I don't have Felicity. Who can be in the my Vortex team instead of her?

I have Gaspar, Erich, Adolphus and Flora.

also Tonalnan

[acoustic fable]

I count 5, so I guess you have your team 🙂

[spare finch]

I got rava now

What should I swap it with

@maiden skiff What’s best epic artifact for my team

[wise bison]

That joker guy

[snow ingot]

Eurion, rava, vidimir, rowena or usha, estella

[wise bison]

Yes put rava or lossenia instead og ladelhia

Lossenia is free

And torrin also change for vorresh

Also free

[snow ingot]

He doesnt own them yet 😉

[fleet sail]

lossenia was not free

Vinyara, Eurion, Torrin, and Rhaash were the free season 1 leggos

[acoustic fable]

Rhash is just new in the Horn and the purple dice. But not guaranteed.

[fleet sail]

Thought rhaash was given in the same thing as monkey

[wise bison]

She not free? Ohw i thought was free dont remember anymore or was it someone else

[fleet sail]

But maybe that was my prophecy summon

[acoustic fable]

No, I don‘t have him 🙂

[fleet sail]

But yeah lossenia is for sure not free

[wooden imp]

Can anyone help me with Fey 269 cant kill elecebre

I have ripekas in stun, torrin ancestral, hvitar, lossenia and swapping in and out zharloth, voresh, vinyara but cant seem to get through

Wondering if i should take out hvitar and lossenia for premsta and lelwanis or something

[fleet sail]

that the one with the 2 frurbaths?

If so, place 2 tanks in front on opposite sides and place one a single square back from the other. It'll separate them. Then it's jsut a matter of tanking with enough resistance that elecbre can't ruin your formation with her charm. Lelwanis eventually scales up so high taht no one can outheal her.

[wooden imp]

i got through it tks alot mate!

Had no idea ripekas was a monster

[upper lichen]

Could I have some recommendations for my Temporal Vortex team?

[solar valve]

will you summon on wild banner for flora, or is this a no pull account?

[upper lichen]

I'm not 100% sure yet honestly

[solar valve]

then for now your best is probably 3 or 4 summons with 2 or 1 support

[upper lichen]

If I do no pulls until S2 I feel like it's going to be a hell of a long time lol

[upper lichen]

Somelike Ladehlia, Isitarian, Zadok, Voresh & Garius?

[solar valve]

voresh is useless in vortex and garius is offelement.
just try

[open hedge]

Morning all. Is 30s / 20s the optimal timing for Oggok in vortex anybody?

[quartz estuary]

30.4s/20s

[open hedge]

Thank you yeah that's what I'm using. Guess I'm just not strong enough to get 3rd spot 🥲

[west meteor]

Gadrus in all the skill haste and accuracy you can give him them position him to but both Elecebrae with his ultimate. The other heroes will take care of the rest

This mid boss break is new. Also don't remember if the new debuffs were there the last time

[idle spear]

Hello folks. Would anyone like to have a look at my heroes and advise on a current best line up for dragon and other content?

[uneven plover]

sure 😄 share your roster

[uneven plover]

and you are nearly done with s1 yea? so at the resurgent dragon/endgame content? Or what area do you struggle with right now?

[open hedge]

Eesh. You're lacking DPS leggo's my friend! Gonna be tough to build 6 solid teams there I think. Frost looks to be your best bet with who you have

You have Lossenia and Hochadir, plus Eurion as a tank. Rowena could work as a frost DPS and then maybe Torin if you need a healer

Also you have the ice minotaur guy that helps with the frost setup, name escapes me

[stoic solar]

You mean Olgan 👀

[open hedge]

He's the guy that increases dps for the team no?

[stoic solar]

He increases buffs for the whole team 👀. Which is mostly for Attacks

[open hedge]

yeah yeah he's the guy I meant

[stoic solar]

The only Frost Enhancement Epic for ICE 👍.

[open hedge]

I can't remember all the epic names haha

[stoic solar]

For Epic Dauntless for Vortex 👀.
With what you have, this is the best there.

1. Vani(Dauntless Tank with Control Immunity)[The epic of Grishnaar].
2. Schalter
3. Shagrol
4. Thurnus
5. Catherine/Nathaniel for Heals + Shield.

[stoic solar]

For Poison:

1. Frubarth (Tank)
2. Eli (Main DPS)
3. Sigrid ( Secondary DPS)
4. Horace (Secondary DPS)
5. Heksandra (Healer)

[stoic solar]

For Frost:

1. Usha (Tank/DPS)
2. Olgan (Frost Enhancer)
3. Vidimir (Main DPS)
4. Lossenia (Extra Frost Enhancer)
5. Voresh (Attack + Heal)

👀

[idle spear]

Yes, just finished the last side missions now just waiting for the dragon to activate in 17 hours or so

[idle spear]

Wow, thank you. You are amazing. I will now have to go in game and put those teams together.

Watching football right now so it will be a little later that I try out those teams.
Of course gear sets mean a lot so hopefully I’ll have decent stuff to equip

[stoic solar]

For sure you will get decent equipment 🙃

[flat kelp]

Hey guys, can someone give me the Timings for Gaius in a Vortex Team pls?

[maiden skiff]

Does anybody have any good timings for Ghulende in new version of end game boss? I strongly dislike how long his cd are even with gatekeeper staff and around 90 skill haste it's still over 20s when not counting puppeteer

Unfortunately Hvitar dies when it's 3min left of the fight and after another minute Lossenia dies. If all can survive and I can find better timings for Ghulende maybe I at least can do over 210m

[snow ingot]

Ghul needs acc (for battleskill faster recharge of ult) and no timing

[maiden skiff]

He has around 270 acc

Without the acc buffs

[azure sluice]

I just used Tundra set (gained energy when damaged) alongside rift hourglass. Don't have timing

[idle spear]

Just can’t seem to breach the 30 mil limit… don’t know what to do. My dragon fight will be comical and pathetic in equal measures😂

[stoic solar]

Try Olgan in replacement of Vinyara. 👀 Let's see if you reach the score you wanted

[charred vigil]

Is it better to get Elm or his artefact from this event?

He seems really mid in comparison to his artefact, honestly

Seems especially useful for people who only have the crown artefact too.

[meager spade]

You can get them both free

[charred vigil]

In one event run?

[fleet sail]

not in one event run

1 event run gives almost exactly enough to get a single copy of him or his arti

With no summons required

But he'll rerun in the future and isn't PARTICULARLY required

There's much better alternatives to him

[silk vault]

Which heroes to pick if I buy this pack?

[fleet sail]

Okay so you don't have any exclusives yet

I'd get one first and then fill out their team. The difference between an exclusive dps team and one without is EASILY 5x the dps.

If not way more

[silk vault]

How do I obtain one

[fleet sail]

You see the banners in heliolite summons that say "summon 300 times and choose between these two champions"

[silk vault]

Sorry it's my day 7

[fleet sail]

Those have exclusives

[silk vault]

Oh okay I get it now, which one do I go for first?

Btw is it stupid to buy a bunch of dice for 100 wymarow a pop

[fleet sail]

Flora: Wild Exclusive. Extreme single target damage. Terrible pvp. Needs a full team to function correctly. Best single target hero as of season 1. Will win vortex for you if you get a second copy of her later and grab her exclusive artifact.

Hvitar: Frost. Pvp main. Good at fey meander. Bad at single target damage, decent at aoe, better at burst damage.

Lothair: Poison. Jack of all trades. Decent single target and aoe. Needs durango or twitch. Twitch can SOMEWHAT emulate his damage.

Lelwanis: Summon. Amazing everywhere. Second or third best single target damage. Queen of AOE. Tanky as heck.

Nastjenka: Dauntless. Single target is great. Amazing in dungeons. Falls behind in AOE situations, but is great at pvp with absurd sustain and burst damage.

Thelendor: Rally. Genuinely the worst exclusive in the game. Can still work I guess but no one goes for him. Heavily specialized for 3 target AOE.

[fleet sail]

This is mostly what wyrm is used for, as the legendary scrolls are too expensive.

Best to leave it as wyrmarrow until you're just about to summon though

as they sell selection packs in the shop for wyrmarrow sometimes

[silk vault]

Tysm, youre a saviour

[charred vigil]

Why are they so expensive btw

4500 for only one hero is just crazy

[fleet sail]

That was their original price. back when summons were 350 wyrm a pop, it was a decent value

Now that it's almost 5 summons per scroll it's crap

[azure sluice]

Also getting master scroll are much harder then, so scrolling legendary was the real bottleneck for f2p.

[open hedge]

Eesh this upgraded endgame boss is gonna take some tweaks

[solar valve]

i just saw sloths video that resistance can be key

[open hedge]

yeah I saw a bit of that too

I'm gonna need to jig around gear etc. and maybe change some supports so that I have res share in every team

and just build one person with the cloak

but I cba doing it while it's on test, I'll do it tomorrow 😂

[solar valve]

i wasn´t able to deal 200 mil damage with radiance anymore, but with the res i was easily able to

although in my case it won´t matter much, since i´m not even top 100 on my server, but still nice to do the 6*200 mil at least...

[open hedge]

I don't even have a radiance team haha

I'm just inside top 10 at the moment and pushing for a top 20 season finish, so I'm gonna have to play around with it quite a bit I think

I want them gold tickets

[maiden skiff]

Holy nice @open hedge

I hate that they made the brackets a lot smaller

So a lot harder to get higher rewards

Unless your a super 🐋 🐳

[open hedge]

yeah the rewards are very skewed towards the top end

[maiden skiff]

Before I have at least managed to get purple tickets, now im unsure if I even can get in top 100

[open hedge]

I think my server isn't sooo competitive based on what some people are saying here

[maiden skiff]

It was not like that earlier

[open hedge]

I think the whales on my server wouldn't even be top 20 on some of the busier ones haha

[maiden skiff]

I think I have most seasonal mounts

[open hedge]

i have the basic horsey haha

[maiden skiff]

You could have them as long you were top 100 I think

If I don't remember wrong

[open hedge]

mm now it's top 3 only I think?

I feel like the last week of the season will be so dead

the dragon ends in like 4 days, vortex stops giving cleopsydra

so like what is there to do after that?

[maiden skiff]

Nothing, mostly just wait

I was done with Fey a long time ago

Many do fey or other small stuff they hadn't cleared

[maiden skiff]

Yeah that's crazy, because all top whales could buy them instead

Are you on a new server or a veteran one @open hedge

[open hedge]

I'm on RE42

so I dunno if that's new or veteran haha

I was invited to it by somebody who played before the relaunch

[fleet sail]

still gives wyrm

[maiden skiff]

Don't know either

Yeah wyrmarrow = summons

So thats at least something

[fleet sail]

yeah so each day that the season gets possibly extended is 2 summons and some change, plus any weeklies that reset during the period

[maiden skiff]

Do anybody have a necro team that do over 200 mil without Lewanis? My old team did around 210m whitout any healer. Now varies between 160-170m

Here is my rooster, I haven't used any necro heroes in previous fights

[icy totem]

What team i can mąkę to vortex?

[snow ingot]

Flora, errich, tonalnan, Folie or alfie, oggok

[sour oriole]

@maiden skiff I had a team full of necro epics doing 205M. Pretty sure you can make it work with Premtsa. Try Premtsa, Isitarian and the guy with the lantern, cant remember the name + gladros and Torrin

Or even Ripekas with WR in stead of Gladros

[idle spear]

What is the best gear for Olgan? He is doing very good damage but I’m struggling to keep him alive

[stoic solar]

Zaddok is the name of the guy with Lantern 👀

[snow ingot]

@maiden skiff

[maiden skiff]

After many tries I managed to do over 200

The shield guy didn't survive as good

So Torrin saved the day had to swap him so he had the United talent

Is Zadok better then Isitarian?

[snow ingot]

Other purpose 🙂

Hits 3 times so can be witches applyer

[stoic solar]

As DPS he out-damage Isitarian, but he needs to be set at the middle to hit the enemy.

[maiden skiff]

But if I swap him out not much use for the archer chick

Since she can't copy premtsas

Summon

Considering I only have Hvitar and Flora im kind of ok with this points

[stoic solar]

You can try Ladehila there 👀, since she will copy hers and buff them up too

[maiden skiff]

Not so much lower then before, biggest lost was my Flora team that dropped close to 30 mil.
Most other teams only dropped between 5-10m

Will try that tomorrow, since Isutarian dies rather fast as well

Hope I at least can reach top 100

[open hedge]

This is after the buff to the boss?

[maiden skiff]

Yes

But some teams took many reruns

Previous my posion did a bit better, but needed Oggy to be able to do more with the wild team

Just sad that Hvitar do so little dmg, will try put in Vidimir tomorrow and see if the dmg go up a tiny bit, Hvitar dies relatively early even with a lifesteal piece

[open hedge]

Looks decent! Mine goes live tomorrow with the buff to the boss

I couldn't be arsed pratting around with teams today on the demo mode, I'll see what everyone else is doing tomorrow 😂

[maiden skiff]

Did small tweaks after a few runs, because I know I don't have the strength to do that today haha

[open hedge]

haha it's long, I tried my vortex team

Went from like £320m to £230m

and I said no thanks, not today

[maiden skiff]

Mine went from around 302 to 277

The biggest drop in all my teams. Hard with placement mostly since they all need to attack same part of the dragon, makes it hard how to place Oggy so most will benefit from his stand united skill

[sour oriole]

Yeah Zadok is the name, he was my main dps. Also survival with Torrin and Gladros should be 0 issue if you build them right

[candid dawn]

Can u share the poison team builds?
I have twitch maxed and similar epics but can't even do 100m

[maiden skiff]

Do you use somebody with stand united and one res rune om most of them?

That's the key here

To resist all debuffs the dragon send our way

And this helps out a lot to

Because if you don't resist all the dec atk, do less dmg and recharge speed penelty your team will deal A LOT less dmg

[maiden skiff]

Do you have the prestine cloak?

Prismatic

[solar valve]

these are my teams in case someone wants to take a peak:
and yeah, what worked for me too, was the support one with these talents and resistence build and each other hero with a negative resistance rune and placed around the support to benefit from the res buff of the talent.

[maiden skiff]

How can't you do highe dmg? When you have NastyJ

[solar valve]

cause i´m bad at the game

[maiden skiff]

If you build Nathaniel right you only need him as a support

Sometimes they die prematurely, but to put in another Dauntless hero would up your dmg

[solar valve]

yeah, i will try that tomorrow. Today i had already saved the dauntless team, when i got the info with the res builds

[maiden skiff]

Ah

Then I bet you will do much higher dmg tomorrow

[solar valve]

perhaps 20-30 milions more, yeah

[maiden skiff]

Even if The 🐒 king don't have many attacks I use him as my WR holder, because Sutha can easily deal more dmg then Monkey king

[maiden skiff]

For sure

Before boss changed I could sometimes do between 110-115m without NastyJ. Would i applied this stand united and res rune then, bet I could do higher dmg

[solar valve]

but that doesn´t matter, since i´m on reborn10 and barely top200

[maiden skiff]

It's hard but might help you to stay top 200

Every mill counts

[solar valve]

it would change 1 leg scroll, but yeah; i will see 😉 thanks

[maiden skiff]

Ok then

[candid dawn]

The one that gives resistance? Yes

I don't have poison mythic artifacts though

[charred vigil]

This is probably really good with Fitz on Tamar right?

Since his whole thing is just transferring debuffs in the first place

[charred vigil]

Her real job is having high crit so her clones activate honestly

Seriously, having her at 90% crit shoots Nasj's damage up by at least a hundred thousand, even without her exclusive

[charred vigil]

That's just for Vortex too btw

Her and Tharivol's main job is just to make Nasj's feathers go absolutely crazy and bonkers

Having good attack stats definitely helps but just remember their job is to make Nasj absolutely ridiculous

[azure sluice]

Did you have good enlightenment equipment? I deal 200M with twitch carrying Witch Remains and enough enlightenment. Then I use the epic Horace to trigger poison explosion.

[wind iris]

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[maiden skiff]

I don't have a single posion artifact, besides epic ones. I had only had two posion heroes this s1, so haven't had any dupes

Twitch and Jathalea

Use WR on shank

Can anybody use the codes @wind iris

[wind iris]

First come first serve

[maiden skiff]

Thanks

Weird said one was used so I copied another

But had both

[maiden skiff]

If you don't have NastyJ you have to try whatever makes you reach 200m
In this case it was to let Sutha go dps

[candid dawn]

No haste for the middle guy? I thought he uses hourglass with high haste
Can u show timing?

[maiden skiff]

Think I gave him some skill haste on the runes

Tried both with hourglass and organ, did a little more dmg with organ

[candid dawn]

Did u use resistance rune on all of them?

[maiden skiff]

All had res besides corrin couldn't get his acc high enough with it, so used acc on his neg rune

But Vicuc had around 500 res, so he did get a chunk from him at least

[charred vigil]

Wouldn't it be better to have Shagrol do that?

Since he's just Mini Nasj, just without the feathers

[maiden skiff]

Have not built him up, since I don't use him

[fleet sail]

Sutha does more damage than shagrol

Cus shagrol's defense is dirt floor and his scaling's slightly worse than hers, his optimal is a good chunk less than hers.

[charred vigil]

Man you always drop these whenever I'm not in here

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[maiden skiff]

In terms of epic dmg dealers, Schaltar deals a lot more dmg, but most epic melee heroes are extremely hard to keep alive in longer fights

[vale spoke]

Could you share timings for your poison team? I went from 200 to like 100.

[solar valve]

i don´t use timings

[open hedge]

If we're using Oggok in the wild team for the dragon, are the timings the same as vortex?

[open hedge]

I worked it out, deffo not the same haha. Not too bad, lost about 70-80m in total but still happy enough

[candid dawn]

Made it after a few runs

Now i need my wild fixed, they do 100m only

[covert bloom]

New player here,was wondering if i could get some help choosing the right chars for my team? just general purpose questing and whatnot

[solar valve]

depends on the content. just use at least 2 better 3 of 1 same damage school and 2 or 3 supports.
just try around what works best

[covert bloom]

Cheers,thanks for the info 🙂

[fleet sail]

premtsa lahdelia Torrin Vinyara Eurion (when you get him from the questline) will get you through most storyline just fine, and then you'll have to attempt to counter boss mechanics with different teams. Alphanarsy can work in place of eurion for now

Example: Boss hits hard? Apply defense up to your team, shield your team, or apply attack down before they attack you to lower their damage. Boss has a shield? Bring someone like ihuicatl who can remove said shield.

[azure sluice]

Change the 4th wild to survival hero or someone to trigger energy manipulation

[fleet sail]

swap folly for zhar'loth, meggan, etc

At least I think zharloth's ult slow counts as manipulation?

[candid dawn]

Need them all from fire for affinity

[candid dawn]

What's energy manipulation?

[dry citrus]

ultimate up and down (ultimate up = felicity), ultimate down = ripekas, as examples

[candid dawn]

Oh, does ult down work on the final boss?

[dry citrus]

yes

puppeteer set is also ultimate up

so 1 set per team is mandatory

[candid dawn]

I think journ will work? But he's not skilled
Or I'll wait for this new dnd support and use him he looks op

[fleet sail]

journ works

Elminster isn't ult up/down

Journ will also raise your wild unit's ult recharge speed if you place them next to him, which should help them do ebtter damage

[candid dawn]

I mean as another support to make the team survive, i just need to hit 200m

[dry citrus]

yes Elminster is a good support to keep ur team alive

[fleet sail]

yeah if you place all 4 units in a cross around journ, he should make adolphus able to solo heal

With his ult recharge, def up and attack down

[candid dawn]

I'll try him and see if they got close then I'll skill him up

[fleet sail]

yeah can't hurt

[dry citrus]

sure, but if you're new to the game, think carefully about who you skill up

[fair plank]

is elminster worth 5 starring? see him sometimes in arena

[dry citrus]

no, Hadley

you want the exclusive heroes, including Beldelle in season 2 so start saving

5 starring is for mega whales

the ones so obese that they get stranded on shore

[fair plank]

hahaha fair. i imagine the rat is gonna be strong again next season

[dry citrus]

season 3

[fair plank]

oh did they change who the new heroes are in season 2? i could just be misremembering

[dry citrus]

Rook appears in season 3, Season 2 is Beldelle, Aschetius etc

[azure sluice]

Journ is one of the best hero in the game and just get better over time.

[solar valve]

rat rook seems to be not necessary anymore in vortex at least

[dry citrus]

chinese testing suggested that non-inspired Beldelle beats non-inspired Rook at least

with enough inspirations, the Rook team wins

[solar valve]

yeah and even Flora is still competitive with Synarell in S3, although i don´t know if the new wild exclusive is also necessary for that to be the case or not...

[dry citrus]

dno, but let's see.. I don't want to know everything about the meta ahead, would like to learn some stuff organically as the seasons progress

[fleet sail]

China missed a lot anyway

Like they didn't catch the bug with vortex and that talent

[maiden skiff]

Does anybody have a Wild team that can do around 300m whitout Khrysos or a mega inspired team?

After the boss changed I manage to do between 270-278

[urban aurora]

that wild team can functin without adolphus 😛

[maiden skiff]

Had to surrender at 290m

At least a bit better then 277

[maiden skiff]

Oggy is better for end game

Actually never tried Journ

[dry citrus]

I'm using Journ and Garrian with my Lothair team

Oggok with my Wild team

[azure sluice]

Used Oggok with poison

[maiden skiff]

How much dmg does your wild

[dry citrus]

350

[maiden skiff]

Nice @dry citrus I meant @azure sluice

There are many rather easy ways to get around 208-210 without Oggy, but Oggy really help out Wild a whole lot more, specially when Adolphus isn't great in this sort of fight

I mostly do between 205-208m with Vicuc, Sifris, Twitch, Shrank and Corrin

My wild without Oggy does way less then my top 290 after the boss changed

And I have not even a single poison artifact

[west meteor]

Can you help with the code for that frost team?

[west meteor]

This other frost team too

[maiden skiff]

Soon close, now I'm sad

Soo close.
Thought that I finally had 1B jn the bag, then Oggy decided to die on me 😢

[maiden skiff]

Actually Ladeliha improved the team a little

To bad, she can't use WR

[charred vigil]

This is gonna sound really weird but Irzillas is the ones who's supposed to use WR in Summons teams

Build him like a tank with accuracy and he's your team's def down applier

[azure sluice]

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[maiden skiff]

Yeah, he is the one wearing WR

[azure sluice]

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[maiden skiff]

Since not many other summoners can weare it

[weary heath]

Good evening, I would like to have your advice regarding this team for the final boss. What would be the best times to set for each character?

[fleet sail]

Might try running someone else instead of monkey

He doesn't proc schaltar's ult well

[weary heath]

Do you have any ideas for epic characters because I don't have any other electric legendary dps?

[fleet sail]

Nimbus is a good witch's remains holder who also procs schaltar well

And Vani gives attack speed up

[weary heath]

And how do I play it?

[fleet sail]

No idea on timings because my server does not have the boss for another day or two but I assume dps can just do 18 second cycles (with puppeteer set) and supports get set up around the big hits

[azure sluice]

Personally I used Wukong as tank so Nathaniel can focus on healing and resisting. Wukong also have energy gain so he can remove the dragon buff stack.

[azure sluice]

Wukong is important. The boss get 8 stacks of buff that have to be removed, and can only be removed by energy manipulation (it will be prevented by consuming 1 stack) without Wukong puppeteer set effect will be negated and the team have 20s rotation

[fleet sail]

You know that set can be used by literally anyone to cause an 18 sec rotation, right?

I use it on Sutha on my world boss comp

Any character with a 20 sec ult creates an 18 sec cycle for any other character with a 20 sec ult by wearing the set. Only way that doesn't happen is if you somehow set the person with that set to use their ult when everyone else is capped

[azure sluice]

I'm saying that the boss will consume 5 stacks of dragon blood rage to prevent the full team energy gain. If Wukong can remove all 8 stacks by himself, the copper dragon can't prevent puppeteer set effect

[fleet sail]

I'm saying you don't need wukong for that. There's an internal cooldown so his lower CD ult doesn't really do much

[azure sluice]

Just want to clarify, do you know about copper dragon mechanic of 8 stacks of Dragon Blood Rage? Because I think you assume I meant using Wukong as puppeteer set wearer, and I'm not, I used him as tank

[fleet sail]

If it's like it was in OG, that boss does not autoattack

Which means that damage is spread across the whole party, meaning the only tank you can bring is someone that wears the damage share set

Just not so sure wukong's required, because he's fairly not good synergy-wise with other dauntless

[azure sluice]

I'm not talking about auto attack, but the energy manipulation prevention part.

[candid dawn]

Best i could do, i think to reach 200m i need ericch to be full dps instead of wr holder, but i don't know another wild that do multiple attacks

[fleet sail]

tonalnan does

she's got a 3 hit ult

[candid dawn]

Really? I am sure i read all wild ults didn't read it as multiple hits

That will change everything

[fleet sail]

5 times, actually

[west meteor]

Thank you

[west meteor]

Can you help with the code for your summon and dauntless teams?

[west meteor]

Doesn't his ult hit only once?

[candid dawn]

Yup, but u can't change him because he helps the summoner team alot

[west meteor]

I've been running him with the blast jar, lol. I'll give WR a go. Maybe that's the one change my team needs.

I think it's criminal that Megyn doesn't have the talent that shares her resistance with adjacent allies like other healers do.

[ebon lintel]

what should i do because one hit skill 3 boss? level up or something? and what kind of lineup do i need?

[open hedge]

man does this boss get stronger everyday, my numbers are way off yesterday with the same teams 😢

[jaunty wolf]

teamings depends on other things not just what you wish them to be. How much haste and ulty recharge you have, who is holding witches remains and stuff like that... So cant just go and say use this or that like some ppl use 17,5 as recast but it will not work for others and will desync setup. But usually important thing is applying witches remains (deffense down) on enemy before you start to do big hits. Any way go check scratch gaming or gorax both have videos on setups for end boss...

[jaunty wolf]

like i said check out scratch gaming and gorax they bin already explaining things on teams positioning timing...

also i would for starters put artifact you use on traivol on to support and then change support build but if you watch videos you will see general idea why and how

[solar valve]

endboss gets stronger 1 time thats why you have a second day of demo before it counts again

[open hedge]

haha, I know it already got stronger 2 days ago think I just got some good RNG on my scores yesterday tbh

[solar valve]

i saw a big RNG difference for my poison team. the others are more or less the same each day

[open hedge]

Yeah it was my wild team, but I ran out of sims and couldn't be arsed sitting there rolling it over and over to hit 300m

I don't have a poision team to run, no twitch 🙁

2 Summon, 2 Ice, 1 Wild, 1 very average Dauntless

[solar valve]

wild is as vortex the number 1 RNG score

[open hedge]

yeah, I can't wait for the highest damage team to not be RNG focused

I should still hold a top 20 position which I think guarantees me top 20 server so it won't hugely impact I don't think

I'm never going to make top 10 so so long as I don't drop below 20 I'm happy enough

[fleet sail]

Eurion, stack defense, place him on the square in front of torrin, then bring estelle and 2 AOE dps to kill the orbs

3.5k defense should be possible at level 79 for Eurion so he shouldn't get one-hit

[candid dawn]

Got 205m in first try with just swapping the gear now tonlan use the wr

[fleet sail]

yeah tonal's damage really went down in this version so she's better with WR than any of the leggos besides felicity

[candid dawn]

I am now having problems with frost, i used to do above 200m but today the best i could reach is 188m

[fleet sail]

Throw puppeteer set on Eurion

Thia isn't giving the rest of them 2 secs off their ult cus she's necro and they're ice

[candid dawn]

Ohhhhh

[fleet sail]

In fact Thia's set isn't doing anything for anyone

[candid dawn]

Then i have to use it on eurion, why did u say puppeter set on him?

[fleet sail]

Yeah it'll lower your cycle for everyone from 20 secs to 18

Which should give you that extra 12M at least

[candid dawn]

I have it on lossenia

[fleet sail]

yeah you can give lossenia 4 mythics

or stick the elemental damage up set on her

[candid dawn]

Then who's gonna use the brotherhood set?

[fleet sail]

cus afaik Thia's set isn't buffing anyone

Thia can have the sharing damage set

If she's built tanky

[candid dawn]

I actually have huchadir but he isn't skilled, will he work instead of vidimer?

[fleet sail]

Not instead of vidimir, no. Vidimir's amazing dps and I wouldn't replace him

Is thia even doing anything important?

I forget what the boss even does that would require her

[candid dawn]

She's full resistance and the talent that gives all team resistance

[fleet sail]

Ah

Hochadir can probably do that too, since it's based on position at the start of the fight?

I don't think thia's healing is all that great anyway

[candid dawn]

She has that hide skill for all range heroes

[fleet sail]

Yeah like I said I forgot and can't check for another day

But puppeteer set actually working on your ice units should be a pretty big boost

[candid dawn]

I didn't know 2 sets would work in the same team, i thought only 1 work

[fleet sail]

2 will not\

But you can make lossenia do more damage if it's on eurion

[candid dawn]

I'll try hochadir with puppeteer and full resistance, but wait he can't share resistance to team
Might just try him as a frost enabler then

[fleet sail]

I don't think you're gaining much from eurion's set

Cus all it does is reduce his ultimate cooldown when he takes damage, right? But the dragon does NOT autoattack

so he's getting very little cooldown reduction

[candid dawn]

Ohh, ok then ill try this with eruion

[fleet sail]

So assuming you swap his set to the puppeteer one, and then lossenia into 4 mythics.

[candid dawn]

Bro, i also use this set on nethanel the dauntless support

Might change him too

[fleet sail]

yeah the tank set that reduces ult cd on damage taken is better in places like fey meander or harpy where the tank's taking multiple autoattacks at once

I don't find it particularly good in single target situations or bosses that don't autoattack

[charred vigil]

What even is Hochadir supposed to do in a frost team honestly

[fleet sail]

tank

[charred vigil]

You already have Eurion for that though who's significantly better, and he has an attack down BS to boot

[fleet sail]

I thought he might have the res talent but turns out I was wrong

[fleet sail]

he's like Olgan, tanks damage while buffing frost attack

Badly designed, mind you, but that appears to be what he's supposed to do?

[charred vigil]

I've just been very unimpressed by using him

Oh yeah I cleared Harpy 20 using Zhar in my ice team btw lol

Vidimir was literally made for that stage, his exploding ice damage is actually crazy

[fleet sail]

yeah he's the king of season 1 harpy

premtsa works well too but she's less... consistent aoe

[charred vigil]

It's just the fact his ice attacks explode twice honestly that really carry it

Wonder how hard that stage would have been without Eurion though tbh

[fleet sail]

very, garius just can't survive it without a battleskill attack down

Alphanarsy can... somewhat keep up, but takes way more investment

[green wharf]

Can someone share the 6 teams are using against Dragon so I can have a reference... is the 1st day in my server where we can just do some testing, but not save damage... these are the only 3 teams I could reach 200M

[inner walrus]

I need help building a team to clear its better hard lol

[elder sinew]

trying to get over a mil with wild team and oggok this week but stugglin with his timer

[fleet sail]

If you don't have anyone cleansing def down, you probably want his unkillable buff up on the ability just after the def down ability

[hexed oracle]

do you know what changed for this week ? my team wiped at 5min mark

[azure sluice]

This is after 2nd phase mind you

[hexed oracle]

Can someone help with the atk order of this team ?

[stoic solar]

Shagrol... Better use Schalter 👀.

So he applies Witches Remains.

The Witches Holder goes first,
Nastjenka second.
Ivellios third.
Tharivol fourth and
Nathaniel lastly to grant heals + Shield.

[snow ingot]

Nope

Tharivol - 2s Pause - nast - shagrol

[hexed oracle]

thanks

[hexed oracle]

Schaltar's ultimate is team buff. Will he able to trigger Witches Reamains ?

[stoic solar]

Yes

[azure sluice]

Using what you already have, Tharivol with witch remains, 2-3s pause, then Nastjenka, then the others

[dry citrus]

Listen to shoquin. Much different advice given here, but his is the most optimal

[hexed oracle]

thank you all, I am seeing people doing 300M on the dragon so I just want to see if I can get that damage

but it looks like I am missing one of the Legendary hero to carry the Witches. Max I can do is 260M

[dry citrus]

that will be difficult without Sutha and Nastjenka's artifact, but you can try

[hexed oracle]

So Sutha is the key

I dont have her

[dry citrus]

Sutha procs Nasty's ultimate many times which is what we're looking for. But Shagrol isn't terrible

[hexed oracle]

The Epic I am using is just weird, his timing is good for half of the fight then it went out of wack and messed up the rotation

[dry citrus]

might wanna increase his resistance then

shouldnt go out of whack with enough resistance and set timers

[hexed oracle]

Thanks, will try that

[strange fox]

Hello guys, I m composing teams for the end game and I want to ask you about alternative for Durango. Shink or Dench? I need a lot of poison and WR carrier too. Thanks 🙂

[urban aurora]

twitch/lothair/vic/corrin/journ

[strange fox]

Who will bear the Witches? Corrin?

[azure sluice]

Twitch. Give him the mythic gear that grant attack equal to 300% accuracy, the other is the one that grant bonus on the same school, then gives him 240 enlightenment

[jaunty wolf]

Bos can drop debuff that affect your teams cooldown. Making things go out of sinc

[strange fox]

Corrin will have which artifact? Serpent figurine?
For Vic, rift glasshour? Or gatekeeper staff?

[candid dawn]

Made it

I didn't know how to build lossenia, i give her high atk and accuracy and some crits

[urban aurora]

personally id give it to corrin

if you have lothair ex , give that to lothair obviously and statue to twitch , if not, then statur to lothair and fan to twitch

journ needs the set that heals on ressited debuff

[topaz stirrup]

does any one have nec team for dragon

[fleet sail]

nice, yeah her damage is nothing to sneeze at with 3 persistent targets

[hexed oracle]

I have all poison heroes except for the 2 exclusive legendaries. Any tips on how to improve my team for dragon ?

[azure sluice]

Durango WR then Corrin instead of Shink

[hexed oracle]

Thank will try that out, one thing about Durango is that he will ended up fighting the middle

and the rest of the team will be fighting either left or right. Will that affect the dmg ?

is there a way to make him not jumping around ?

[azure sluice]

He's there to apply WR, the rest focus on damaging one part since Vicana is single target.

[fleet sail]

it's actually a good thing, because twitch will ult all 3 if he can as well

[strange fox]

Yep, I have the EX artifact. Thanks. I will try that and then I will play bingo with Corrin, WR and simulation.

[sour oriole]

@strange fox you gonna need another defensive support, Journ cant keep you alive for 8 minutes alone

[strange fox]

Hello Seraphim 😊 I agree, thats why I m using Frurbath with Solar kings horn

[azure sluice]

I'm thinking of Oggok with the resistance strategy

[strange fox]

Oggok is chilling with the wild team now

[azure sluice]

Not Adolphus in wild? Same element is better for Puppeteer set

[strange fox]

Nope, Oggok is also giving att down. But I will try it also

[sour oriole]

Oggok > Adolphus for Wild team on dragon

Also hey😊

Yeah I was using Frur, worked fine. You could also use Garian, I believe even Elminster

[next urchin]

Hello. Any team comps/builds for this stage?

[azure sluice]

You are still underleved and don't have good enough hero for this fight (too many summon dps, but fey need energy manipulation and control effect)

Just be patient and keep grinding

[next urchin]

will be but there are people on my server that have already completed it even with the level limitation

[azure sluice]

They have the right heroes and gears (and probably a lot of inspiration level). Do you at least have multiple holy hunter set?

[next urchin]

no i don't have red sets yet

[azure sluice]

Yeah, not gonna make it yet.Just be patient. Or pull on Garrika banner

[shell prairie]

I passed it with Ripekas, Lossenia, Gardrus, Zharloth, Vinyara and stun gear for all. Witches on Lossenia. Manual Vinyara to keep Elecebre locked down. Lvl was probably 90-ish at that point.

[next urchin]

Will try this comp

[mint coral]

hi what is the best comps i can have for goblin and venom

[azure sluice]

... I thought with i5 Ardeth you would be veteran enough to be the one that teach newbies that

Unless you spent S3 onward just spamming shadow

[mint coral]

that is correct

[fleet sail]

Frost is goblin lair slaves forever

Rava Vidi lossenia Voresh usha

And you'll use all 4 for mekkatorque

5*

[dry citrus]

already talking about mekkatorque 😄

[fair plank]

is nissa and thunderbolt still garbage? remember unless you had the exclusive it did nothing

[dry citrus]

you'll need the exclusive but not difficult nowadays

270 dice = you can pull him

[west meteor]

I see Mith being used to clear grave of venom.

Will Utior or Sifris work in those teams?

[fleet sail]

Any unit with good defensive capabilities can work. Estelle/Torrin/Eurion/Rava/Vidimir is f2p's easiest comp for venom

[west meteor]

I meant for new season. Pushing higher than current gear will allow

[fleet sail]

Sifris I don't think will work well without a secondary healer to keep her from killing herself

Utior might though?

[west meteor]

I saw a mithrasea strat and was wondering if Utior and Sifris will do the same due to the resurrection

[fleet sail]

Well mithrasea gives a plethora of defensive buffs too so it'll be similar but not nearly as good

[west meteor]

Okay

Thank you

[west meteor]

I pulled Durem and Zhorak with my tickets.

Does burn have an epic enabler hero like Karf?

[azure sluice]

No sadly. The next best is rare

[flat kelp]

Hi, can someone help me with a team for Pillar. Fire / Poison. I assume smt with Lothair but i dont have his exclusive

[open hedge]

Do we have to wait until the S2 reboot to use the tickets? Guessing some people's servers are ahead?

[acoustic fable]

Every server has its own timeline 🙂

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[weak relic]

@next urchin

[next urchin]

aoe dmg + Iola with stun set and you want to manually target on Gardrus

Rava to apply frost, Iola to lower dmg and stun and apply witches remain + Auster to dmg

try flipping in between Eurion and Garius depending on how they perform

[weak relic]

i dont have thoose artifact any other artifact that will do?

[next urchin]

same artifact but make it gold one. don't know which one apply defense penalty

[weak relic]

oh crown of unclean?

[next urchin]

maybe yes. for Auster and Rava go for artifacts that brings you Att% no matter what they do

if Rava is too slow there is an artifact (gold) that gives you speed haste.

and talent up that auster don't be shy. 3-4 talents at minimum on all champions. you need 2 teams so don't be afraid to invest

[weak relic]

ok i ll set it up

rava,auster,garius,lola,what else?

[next urchin]

Rava and Auster will also auto target on the middle but you'll need to to manually ult with them on Gardrus. positioning : you can try spread it up or make a group on the lower side of the screen 3 on the bottom and then 2 on the other row. for the 5th hero you can go with Torrin but if u survive well you can also swap torrin for another Rowena or Vinyara (if u use Vinyara) manually ult on Gardrus

[weak relic]

aight ty very much

[azure sluice]

Rule of thumb in pillar, fey, and pvp is you want hero that manipulate energy and/or control effect instead of dps. Journ is the key. The tank either Lethander or Khrysos.
One cheese tactic is 4 tank/healer and Felicity as solo dps.

[flat kelp]

Could i use Lothair too, even without his exclusive? Someone mentioned that he is very strong.

But i never really got him working probably building the wrong team around him or using the wrong gear / relic

[onyx lintel]

Lothair only works with Corrin at haste

But Lothair works very well with Vile Ink and also the Serpet Diety

I'm day 3 and have Hvitar or Llewanis selector... which should I choose?

I feel like I have to choose Hvitar here

[junior fossil]

plz help build necro for continental/end game thx!

[azure sluice]

Hvitar. Summon is a trap.

[onyx lintel]

Sam the real one, that's my take on it too

[azure sluice]

I paid attention from pre relaiunch beta players that sad that Scarlach (now replaced by Ladehlia) was nerfed from being the strongest to mid. Summon feels like too experimental even back then. But the dev pushed them in relaunch with 2 free summon hero, 3 ice and necrosis support, ice necro banner being the first, Sintrellia direct purchase, and necro augite being daily gifts. I feel like Summon is someone pet mechanic that had to be nerfed

[azure sluice]

He is strong in poison team when you want to maximize damage. Pillar-fey-pvp is not about maximizing damage, it's about hitting first (and if possible, make sure the opponent never hit). Felicity is hard hitting enough and fast, so if you can keep her alive she'll snipe the enemy one by one, especially boosted by Journ.

[solar valve]

Lelwanis is the top overall PVE DPS. Problem: she wants her artifact.

Hvitar is fine without artifact and top PVP and good in PVE AOE too, but not necessary.

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[vestal harbor]

Between ice blast & rally, I need to decide what team to build for that ele combo.

These are my lineups.

I did book shinnah & zhorak, and rally is not built out at all.

[karmic umbra]

@next urchin

All i5 though

[next urchin]

What main stat you using on Oggok gloves?

[karmic umbra]

Whatever i could get.. its only day 3 of s2

Prefer atk

[urban aurora]

summon is the only team to go BRRR at endgame ...

[elder sinew]

truth

[azure sluice]

True I guess. If they are whale enough to pull 300 on the first banner before asking if the banner is even good, they are whale enough to get Lelwanis and her artifact while also getting Sintrellia and Irzillas.

I'd still stand on summon being a trap for f2p and low spender because very few of the free stuff they give will actually be part of optimal summon team.

[mortal mountain]

Lelwanis is perfect for f2p / low spender simply because she's S tier or at least A tier in every piece of content. She can work as solo dps in fae, arena, dungeons. She has some of the highest scores in planar expedition, continentals, endgame boss.

As a f2p / low spender you want units like lelwanis who can reliably work in every piece of content, and I would say it is worth going for her + her artifact for that reason. She was by far my best unit in S1 and remains my best unit in S2 for early game progression.

Her only downside is vortex where she's not great once everybody gets all their gear and talents and psychicore upgrades online, but even still she's serviceable there, and as a f2p you're not really trying to break any records, so if you can't save to go for flora team then she can still get you decent scores.

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[next urchin]

Do we have any lineups for Fey Meander lv 180 boss fight? currently at lv 79

problem : not enough dmg

[dusty swallow]

Any advice on comp or timing for poison team for Tamar continental challenge

Awesome thank you

[azure sluice]

Which season? (wait do we still have season name coloring?)

[next urchin]

season 1

[wind iris]

No

[charred vigil]

Imma keep it real witchu chief ya gonna have to do most of Tamar's fight manually

Unless you have someone with ludicrously high res sharing their res with the team she just interrupts timings way too much to really use timings effectively, the most genuine pain in the rear end boss in CC tbh.

[jaunty wolf]

reason why lots of ppl went with resistence specific setup on thing they run

high resistence on all and then talents that pass on some resistence from supports

[dusty swallow]

Thanks I I may consider facing khrysos instead

[willow plaza]

Best clan boss line up for each element?

[fleet sail]

Only need a resistance negative rune in my experience and then the support has to have 450+ resistance which is fairly easy with tempering and elemental resonance upgrade thingy.

[jaunty wolf]

And it was actually working but make you need to swap rune and suports talens based on fights

[strange plank]

morning all anyonehave a rot team i can try and use please thxs

[next urchin]

for what stage u need?

[azure sluice]

Do you have Acilia?

[strange plank]

yea i have her and i am on stage 10 thatis how far i can go

[azure sluice]

Yeah I think it's just level problem

[jaunty wolf]

🤷‍♂️

[strange plank]

thxs

[jaunty wolf]

dant have beldelle so used gerthin instead... didnt like how nadja performs seams only adventage of nadja is that she is ranged and that she can do some aoe

but actually does less dmg than gerthin

having ardreth especially at i5 makes lots of things easier

[urban aurora]

try using shinnah as ur main dps - and the guy right from nedja as support and witches holder

alternatively - ardeth is qutie a ncie witches holder 🙂

[jaunty wolf]

never liked her as witch holder for lots of reasons but yes it works. Bleddyn can apply witches used him in S3-6 for that. But if i use him that mean i have to kick some others to put him on team team is caped at 5 🤷‍♂️ And Zharlak actually can hit pretty hard offten beating all other, Shina actually apply witches as aoe compare to single target from other options you said so you would have to maunaly Bleddyn ulty aim it where you want or ardeth that apply on tank when you want to kill something other. In that fight that would mean apply it on boss and not on wispa making it harder to kill wisps

Damn went for venom talk instead of rot... no wasps there

[urban aurora]

^.^

[fleet sail]

bleddyn's easy on harpy. Just place him on the same side as gerthin and they'll both target the boss second

[jaunty wolf]

compared to all having deffense down

[fleet sail]

Used him OG s2 on harpy without issue with non-arti belldelle

You don't need the aoe def down because they'll melt an orb then metl the boss

and none of the good damage dealers will hit the other 3 orbs anyway cus they'll get to the boss and then stick

[neat hearth]

Guise, I messed up and used the wrong team against Twitch, now I don't have a Poison team to use against Tamar!
Can you guys help me come up with something that doesn't require poison to reach the minimum 22mi damage?

I tried a team with Heals/Shield + Necro but didn't do enough damage, up to 11mi only.

[fleet sail]

Jathalea and talwer might be able to do that much. Jathalea was second dps with twitch for me. High ENL and attack with some accuracy and resistance

And then you can use dench from rares if you have him

And then high resistance on the grey bearded healer dude or vicuc, and frurbath for attack down and tanking

[open hedge]

So I pulled Beldelle and Zhorak today and I've got plenty of radiance supports, Mith, Gillian and Acilia. Do I need another ice burst champ to enable Beldelle for Vortex

Currently I have these

[fleet sail]

yes, shinnah

[open hedge]

well yeah I know ideally I need Shinnah haha

[fleet sail]

You need her or bleddyn because Nord can SOMEWHAT enable?

but not very well

[open hedge]

okay, so maybe old wild team will be a better bet in Vortex until I get an enabler?

If I can keep them alive D:

[fleet sail]

I don't know that she'll work better than a wild team without shinnah yeah

[open hedge]

yeah I kinda don't wanna pull any more heliolites now until the Beldelle banner runs

[azure sluice]

Unfortunately the only enabler you have is Nord, and he is mostly only good once you boost up his attack speed (optimal Nord can sustain 1 ice blast payoff almost indefinitely)

[open hedge]

Okay so I'm one champ away from it being viable really

I got them to do like 2.2m so far

but I mean I don't even have a piece of gear in every slot yet and I'm not even level 59

[neat hearth]

It worked! Got to 28mi with minimum effort and no wastes. Thanks a bunch, mate!

[open hedge]

Yeah wild with Oggok seems to be the best I can do currently

[fleet sail]

yeah if you've got flora she'll beat belldelle easily with no shinnah

[jaunty wolf]

🤷‍♂️

thats i5 ardrth

with felosia it can be done but that add other things in to argument that main dps on shinna

using this make you get 20% buff from bleddyn instead of 30% from Zhorak and well zhorak can actually go high dmg him self too

[fleet sail]

that is really low dps on gerthin, is she scrolled?

[jaunty wolf]

maybe cos you tested with more stats not at 3-4 day of season

cleared it on first day with setup i used

[fleet sail]

nah but 4k seems low at level 59 with leggo gear. the 12k seems more like it

[jaunty wolf]

well maybe just maybe not everyone have ok luck like you

that was gear on her so gerthin had worse stats

also reason why her dmg could be lower is that deffense down is only on 1 target and her dmg is mix of aoe and single target. So aoe is cut down

[fleet sail]

ah it's the crit rate being a bit low

[jaunty wolf]

really so basically you wait till you get good stats to do that fight

so crit chance is basically 70% on her

[fleet sail]

60% cus I don't think she has any hidden crit besides that

Still low enough that she can get a string of bad luck which is likely why the 4k

[jaunty wolf]

well atleast its not 28 that gerthin had XD

[fleet sail]

yeah I'm talking gerthin

[jaunty wolf]

o she have 30% form this and think was battle skill 40% if they didnt change it let me check

[fleet sail]

Since she's the main dps and shinnah's the enabler

yeah I can't see the gallery so i wasn't sure

server's still in EG dragon phase 2

[jaunty wolf]

yeah but originally one of you said shina should be set as main dps XD

[fleet sail]

I think that was a different person

Gerthin is belldelle's mini-me

[jaunty wolf]

that was just example of things not being that great and i had to drop zharok for bleddyn

[fleet sail]

at least in OG dragonheir she was like 80% of a belldelle

idk if she's been nerfed here, but she should probably be the one holding blooms of prella

[jaunty wolf]

yes and bleddyn is zharoks mini me XD

only down side pretty sure witches remains would not work on him like on bleddyn but didnt try XD

[fleet sail]

yeah shinnah usually wears the witch's in a normal comp

But without belldelle I'm not sure

I don't know if zharlok is actually worth using without belldelle honestly

never had an opportunity to test cus I didn't get him or shinnah back in OG s2

[jaunty wolf]

well when you need team that focus on single target or dont apply debuffs to do dmg... you will have to use ice blast with or without beldelle and well zharok is 30% dmg buff and few other things on top of acting like dauntless or flora folow up on attacks just not as crazy power on follow up.

Basically if you have mindset i need this so i cant use, i need that so i cant use you will have 1-2 teams and need more than that

[fleet sail]

yeah I have belldelle

I just always used her with nord and bleddyn so bleddyn was the easy choice for witch's remains

[jaunty wolf]

well i dont and am pretty sure i wont get her

[fleet sail]

And she worked much as I described on harpy. single targets an orb or two then fixates on the boss and never leaves it

[jaunty wolf]

yeah but killing mobs does high dmg to boss so with aoe there works better actualy if you can pull off high aoe

[fleet sail]

It does, but the question is whether you even need to bother with ice blast there if you want aoe.

Since vidimir+rava does WAY more damage overall than most other non-exclusive comps there

[jaunty wolf]

yeah but my original argument is about shinna applying witcher as aoe compared to bleddyn and it went from that to here...

[fleet sail]

yeah just dunno if the aoe parts of gerthin's kit are strong enough that catering to them even matters, or if just murdering the boss matters

From what I remember it was only her ult that aoes, right

and her casts are like... 10:1 battle skill to ult

[jaunty wolf]

reason why i dont like when ppl start going change this do that... and then you have actual argument for why using what you did... So it plow out of proprotion others jump in back and forth and well its mess... Why cos well someone always thinks he know better for some reason even without actually testing. Suggestion is one thing but well started with basically put shinna on dps and use bleddyn as witches remains...

[jaunty wolf]

not sure if you or me mixing up her ulty and that other ice blast archer and nadja, I am thinking gerthin ulti is single target if am remembering right but well maybe i dont

[fleet sail]

I may be mixing her ult with nord's

[jaunty wolf]

yeah guess am still not too senile like grandpa joe 😅

nadja is aoe

and there was other archer i cant remember name need to check they still didnt add him after reboot

Ok so name is Seidic

https://hellhades.com/dragonheir/heroes/seidic/

his ulty was aoe was thinking you mixing him and gerthin

[fleet sail]

nah it was nord's ult I mixed up

So yeah then the only one that's actually AOEing is shinnah, right? She can't be doing much more than tickling the orbs if she's the only one hitting them, so getting her damage up on the main target was probably the correct way to go about things- especially considering the aoe debuff on the boss is likely already gone by the time the orb dies and gerthin swaps to her.

[jaunty wolf]

she make things flexible cos apply it to other targets cos more flexible positioning and stuff and she still does good dmg even with witches on her

gerthin also can randomly decide to focus some other target cos her ulty is designed like assassin jump to any target and attack

so could decide to not target boss

auto play can do weird stuff XD

[fleet sail]

yeah the nice thing about bell is she doesn't do that

but you can still manually target her ulti if you need to

[true ravine]

Hello there, could someone give me a hint on which units I should focus? Feeling kinda lost right now, it's a new server. I invested in gracus's skills and 3 into hvitar.

[solar valve]

hvitar, Lossenia and Hochadir +2 necro or ice support
Lelwanis, Premtsa, Sinthrellia +2 support

[true ravine]

Thanks is there any good epic support in my rooster ? Should I save my skill scrolls or use them all for lelwanis and/or hvitar ?

[solar valve]

leg scrolls: both are exclusives and you will mostly always use them, and especially both gain much from being skilled up. for the others you have to choose more carefully, which to skill up.

epic supports for ice/ncero: the necro archer is good it seems (i never used her)
Vorresh is for buff block
healer Estelle

[true ravine]

Only have a few of them, hvitar is nice but it feels like I am using premtsa with lelwanis and sinthrellia more often. So I probably use the scrolls for lelwanis first..

[true ravine]

I see, thanks! I will try it ✌️

[solar valve]

for other elements: Garius, Catherine
Iola
the fire pirate guy is used in continental challenge and overworld
Eli for poison

there are many

depends what you need and for which mode....

[true ravine]

Necro team is probably a good arena team too I guess?

[true ravine]

Yeah, there is a lot to figure out as a new player ✌️😅

Thank you so far 😁

[solar valve]

it´s ok and no Lelwanis in PVP necro team.

PVP is frost dominance, while there are fire and lightning assassin teams also.

you only have to check what teams you loose against...

[azure sluice]

Well, sounds like you are confortable enough playing summon team. Basically, at least there's 4 epic hero that's considered cut above the rest so upgrading them won't be a waste: Garius, Frurbath, Voresh, Zhar'loth. Followed by Adolphus and Iola or Nathaniel. Since endgame requires ~6 teams, you would upgrade multiple teams anyway, but that's still far away for now, you can take your time getting familiar.
Also recommended to get Witch Remains, Rift hourglass, and Gatekeeper staff as your first 3 mythical artifact

[urban aurora]

Isitarian after rework !

[dry citrus]

Suende the reworker!

[jaunty wolf]

@sour oriole sorry updated gear... cleared it with weaker gear on first day 14 rank Venom.

venom chellenge 2

venom chellenge 2, different team

so it works but you need to identify why it dont work in your case

[unkempt chasm]

Trying to solve venom 14 for starters - anyone who could point out improvements?
Eurion consistently dies before any of the orbs, roughly 30 seconds in.
Lacking gear no doubt, but struggling a little with what I can switch up.

[jaunty wolf]

deffense is low for start if it was higher would handle taking dmg better. Also shield probably should hit at that stage so you can survive and then heal jumps in bit later...

[unkempt chasm]

I don't doubt the defense is low - hence the lacking gear comment. It's as high as I can currently get it anyways.

[jaunty wolf]

I know previous season i used vinyara for that fight cos 1 shild was not enough her pasive put shield on him and add deffense up 2. Was doing enough to patch that problem but there is more ways to do it

[urban aurora]

diffrent artifact for your 2 supports might help : aurelium vest and mirror for the old man !

mirror --> low hp --> more healing , alternatively u can sue the crystal with enlight substat that does the same

[jaunty wolf]

for me in S1 this fixed problem

[urban aurora]

oh, and hvitar gets no use from derivate dmg improvements from fan

especially in venom, u really really want to make use of the claw (ignores shields)

[unkempt chasm]

Yeah, I've been using claw as well. Just swapped fan for a try or two given the picture above.

I'll give mirror a shot

[jaunty wolf]

and yet i used derivative even on challenge 2

[unkempt chasm]

If that doesnt' pan out I'll try Vinyara.

[urban aurora]

mirror is epic arti

[jaunty wolf]

but yes ignoring shiled artivact is also good option

[unkempt chasm]

Legendary, no?

[urban aurora]

erm yeah , my mind is still in old game

used to be called epics

[unkempt chasm]

That one I'm assuming?

[urban aurora]

but hvitar doesnt deal deriv dmg oO

yes, that one

[jaunty wolf]

game lie then ?

[urban aurora]

another thing, that might help : increase eurion hp , if need be, forego some defense ---> Torrin ehals more

[unkempt chasm]

Hindsight, can't use Vinyara.

[urban aurora]

yes!

[unkempt chasm]

Can't meet the 240 accruacy requirements.

[urban aurora]

hmm , weird - never even occured to me to use enlight on hvitar

[jaunty wolf]

no actually its more about her shield for me that shield was jumping in at 5 sec and then at 10 sec ever after and adding deffense up 2. This was patching things untill i got better gear

[unkempt chasm]

So who would you take out

Felosia?

[jaunty wolf]

attack penalty was more as adition but shield was what made different for me previous season... now i had more deffense and well heroes XD

[urban aurora]

another thing u can try is ghulende , she gets her ult really really quick, with 5 targets , and does healing, and does atk down on enemies

i used ghul + torrin to go for high venom early last season

worked wonders

[unkempt chasm]

Aint got ghul unfortunately

[urban aurora]

thats off the table then ^^

[jaunty wolf]

well hard choice but i would try replacing her and try and replacing torrin and try

[urban aurora]

IF you can get a full set of the 1% ult recharge n hit set n eurion, that one helps tremendously aswell

doiesnt have to be def& or hp% - that early, base stats are so low, flat hp or def does about the same

[unkempt chasm]

I can if I drop 700 def 😂

[urban aurora]

try it out - not liek you gonna lose anything

thus said :; your setup should be able to do venom 14 - with the characters you chose

[jaunty wolf]

@unkempt chasmhow much enlightment do you have on felosia and on torrin ?

[unkempt chasm]

210 each

[urban aurora]

thats good enough

try to get more hp on eurion, to make him get more heals from torrin that way

hvitar nuking whisps early gonna make or rbeak it

[unkempt chasm]

That's the big problem ngl

She's not nuking anything at all.

[urban aurora]

got enough accu on loss?

[unkempt chasm]

Nope

As close as I can get her, far from though.

[urban aurora]

then switch her gears, from 2 accu sets alone you will get 80 accu

[unkempt chasm]

Long way to 240 from that with limited gear unfortunately

[jaunty wolf]

does enemy have frost on them ?

[urban aurora]

2 pcs puppet, 2 pcs holy hunter for example

[unkempt chasm]

Like just to give you an idea of what I'm working with in an attempt to farm gear efficiently and not "waste" food

[urban aurora]

or one of the sets, and any accu chest

[unkempt chasm]

This is all my helmets.

We're on day 2 on the server.

Not like I have a whole lot of wiggle room

[urban aurora]

any accu chest? - and any way to get a 2 set of accu gear ?

[jaunty wolf]

thats usually enough to get gear if nothing can get gear from those shops in cities so some of it could have high accuracy

like this there is shops in 2-3 cities or could even steal some of it from some of them

this could end up enough for it like 2 different sets with accuracy on chest part

also check if you can craft some of gear

2 different sets with chest part should give enough

[urban aurora]

stack all good dps gears onto hvitar, and loss role is really jsut enabling hvitar

[jaunty wolf]

i dont remember cities or and shops you can get or steal gear usually do it on go never really saved where exactly so maybe someone have map for that 😅

[unkempt chasm]

Aight, that's one fellas - cheers!

[jaunty wolf]

good that you didnt have to too to crazy on it 🙂

[unkempt chasm]

Accuracy on loss and 18k more health traded for armor did the job fortunately.

[jaunty wolf]

but about gear.. For example one of spots i remember took think was weapon... can steal it from her

[unkempt chasm]

I stole all the gear I could this season unfortunately

[jaunty wolf]

there are few cities that sell gear peaces so for 1st and 2nd day can come in handy untill you get better

[unkempt chasm]

Although it was epic, from what I recall

[jaunty wolf]

yeah does not mater if you need stats and it have good ones well use it

[unkempt chasm]

Very true

[jaunty wolf]

had some high stats on trash gear perfect for first day

[unkempt chasm]

Aight, I'll give Curse a run and come complaining with what I need help with in a minute I reckon!

[urban aurora]

vinyara is mvp in curse

alternatively zeffi trivializes it aswell

[unkempt chasm]

Ayee I'll be swapping gear from Loss to Vinyara for the accuracy on curse.

[urban aurora]

with vinyara, jsut go at 13 sec and 19 repeating, and she will debuff boss, before he does his big ST dmg, and have debuff for aoe

[unkempt chasm]

More so wondering about the DPS approach

[jaunty wolf]

dont talk about cheat heroes most ppl probably dont have XD

[unkempt chasm]

Done Flora/Felicity til 13 no probs so far.

[urban aurora]

vinya is free

and the biggest cheat there is ^^

[jaunty wolf]

but vinyara is also annoying on that fight cos she make boss 18 sec ulty in to 22 or something like that so need to adjust timings or go maunal 😅

[urban aurora]

you jsut add the time she steals to the cycle

[unkempt chasm]

I'll be manualing stuff these first 4 days or so tbh, no sweat off my back at least

[urban aurora]

like --> 12sec boss skill , viona at 13 --> she resets boss to 12 --< 1 sec stolen --> add 1 sec to cycles

thats really all there is

[jaunty wolf]

was talking about zaffi vinyara everyone got her

[urban aurora]

fair

she did get mroe popular with teh way banenrs work now though

vinya was teh first lego i ever pulled, back in OG s1 ^^

been using her ever since

[jaunty wolf]

think i got felicity or lothair first something like that XD

[urban aurora]

^1

[jaunty wolf]

and now only team that i have full all options is only poison 😅

[urban aurora]

same !!

coming s3, i have every single poison hero , BUT not the rat T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T

[jaunty wolf]

he could also be usefull for ppl that dont have much options

those are some nice team buff for dmg reduction

[unkempt chasm]

Aight, so eurion dies.

Would the 700 defense be worth bringing back over the 17k health now that there's no healer?

[jaunty wolf]

think that boss can kill trough imortality if am not wrong XD

[urban aurora]

i used him in endgame

[jaunty wolf]

need to remove 2 buffs boss gets of it does masive dmg. if you remove them well no problem

vinyara need high enough accuracy for that

[unkempt chasm]

Yeah she's doing her job fine

[jaunty wolf]

and ulty need to go after buffs hit boss

[unkempt chasm]

Eurion just gets chipped. is all

Got that part down yeah, it's just eurion getting chipped away.

[urban aurora]

vinya at 13 sec --> 19 sec repeating

[unkempt chasm]

Bit worried swapping out felosia considering the ult though.

[urban aurora]

felo is good

[jaunty wolf]

actually i was doing it differently using vinyara at 17/22 😅 dont judge but i did that so her deffense down also reduce boss attack on ulty

[unkempt chasm]

Maybe Mith would do something similar, idk.

[urban aurora]

she does with 13 aswell , AND her atk down, and buffs on enemy are gone for that ansty singel target 12 sec hit

[jaunty wolf]

yeah buffs are gone but she need to hit ulty 2nd time before boss does his ulty to have attack penalty apply there

and like this it is active when boss hit ulty

[urban aurora]

its only 6 sec from 12 to 18 sec skill

[jaunty wolf]

was still sometimes getting bit off and missing for me so ended up runing it like i said

also this is part that some ppl miss

if team have no buffs boss does 50% more

for me basically pushing boss ulty to 22 sec so team can catchup if gear is problem... and well attack penalty hit there on it

[urban aurora]

how do you deal with the 12 sec ST nuking tank then?

[jaunty wolf]

never really had problem with that

[urban aurora]

in current challenge mode, with 4 cycles of boss, and the atk he egts thta way, he fully nukes my i5 ardeth with 12 sec skill

IF i dont atk pen him with vinya

[jaunty wolf]

actually didnt run it challenge 2 yet cos focusing on other 2

[urban aurora]

btw, do you know of any way to filter for challenge mode egars?

[unkempt chasm]

Considering he died a second before he was about to ult and wipe the last 3, it doesn't seem very consistent 😅

[jaunty wolf]

when i try will see but thing is sometimes you have non scrolled heroes so 22-23 sec cd, and gear can be bad at start so if i did it like ppl do then i had problem things end up getting messy

[unkempt chasm]

On to Rot though.

[jaunty wolf]

starting to get some gear XD

@urban aurora problem i had on that fight originally was cd and well accuracy where vinyara even to higher than recomended accuracy dont remove 2 debuffs just 1. So i had to push accuracy even higher for it work work right, and well solution was to push boss like i said to 22 sec

[unkempt chasm]

On the note of Rot, do you have any go to builds?

I sort of winged it past 13 with some torrin/thia + summoners build but it's not at all consistent.

[jaunty wolf]

yeah didnt try any of other options went with ardeth and ice blast so not sure if you dont have things how it goes

[unkempt chasm]

Wont be an option for me til the 4th of october unfortunately 😬

[jaunty wolf]

ice blast so i dont put debuffs on boss (he is stronger more debuffs on him) also it looks like they fixed him eating tank and removing from map

or well bug didnt happen with ardet

[urban aurora]

i did thia/felosia/and 3 summoners all ranged last season

no lelwanis

[jaunty wolf]

he was eating ardeth and spiting her out back on map 😅

[unkempt chasm]

With that in mind, if you could go with fel/thia and 3 summoners choosing from these, which would you go for you reckon?

Ghul and Berengar are the only ones I aint got.

[jaunty wolf]

damn you have more summon than me 😅

[unkempt chasm]

This was my attempt past 13, but it's getting demolished at 14.

[jaunty wolf]

like i said think they maybe fixed bug where boss eat tank and dont return didnt happen for me

[urban aurora]

ooh u are in ss2 aswell

[unkempt chasm]

Yeah, day 2.

[urban aurora]

well, jsut use IB then xD

[unkempt chasm]

I don't have IB 🙂

It's a new server.

[jaunty wolf]

gertha beleddyn ?

[urban aurora]

wild then

wild + tank + felosia

[unkempt chasm]

Worth a shot - back in a bit

[jaunty wolf]

😅

[urban aurora]

same

[jaunty wolf]

ice blast even non legendary are pretty good dont underestimate, yeah shinna cant be replaced but still good enough even with bleddyn as enabler

[unkempt chasm]

Got both Shinna and the big dude.

Just need beldelle.

Zor something, or w/e his name was

[jaunty wolf]

well use them see he didnt evne use gertha XD

shina and big guy actually hit pretty hard 😅

[unkempt chasm]

I'll see if Wild works first since I'm almost done gearing 'em

Otherwise I'll give that a shot - don't have that tank guy though

[jaunty wolf]

difference is we have ardeth and she is crazy tank and its i5 so make big difference

[unkempt chasm]

Yep, everyone and their mother I've seen in season 2 is using that guy.

Aint got him yet though.

[jaunty wolf]

one man army XD

well one woman army XD

[fleet sail]

funny how CN snubbed ardreth

And even at i0 or i1 she's outperfroming for us

[unkempt chasm]

Pulled like 250 or so summons just to get a couple season 2 characters on the banner yesterday, and outside of exclusives I think I'm fairly set anyways.
Didn't get Ardeth or the thunderbolt folks. But got the 2 burn guys, 2 IB guys, and Bernade.

So now I just gotta play catch up on banners.

[fleet sail]

ardreth doesn't drop from banners

She's season 2's utior

[unkempt chasm]

Ah - all good then, nothing I can do about that yet ig

Just sitting out for beldelle atp then

[jaunty wolf]

yep but some of us are old players so season 6-7 and then reboot...

[fleet sail]

yeah reboot let some of us i5 her easy

[unkempt chasm]

Aight

[jaunty wolf]

but she is like pasive 30% team deffense, 50% heal buff for team, heal team when she attack, can apply witches remains, strong aura 24% deffense...

[unkempt chasm]

Wild is getting torn apart.

[jaunty wolf]

real powerhouse

[unkempt chasm]

So not having Ardeth, how would you approach rot?