📊┆dragon-lineup-help

[dry citrus]

sure, watch the video and bring your best AOE DPSers for the endboss 🙂

[solar valve]

i main radiance, so AOE will not be a problem, thanks 🙂

[dry citrus]

sure but you need 6 teams

[solar valve]

yeah, 2 radiance, 1 ice AOE frost then, 1 dark i have and the other 3 i have to see, cause my lightning is dauntless, so more single target focused...

[dry citrus]

I believe I used 2 radiance teams, 2 frost, 1 burn and 1... something (I forget)

oh yeah it was a budget poison team with Sigrid as the main DPS and Eli with WR

[hot adder]

I've pulled a few in frost and got some new heroes ☺️

Got 3 leggos 😀

@azure sluice those 3 leggos seem good

@red wave @astral heath check out my new frost heroes ☺️

[astral heath]

mythrasea is quite good. eurion is really good early as well. cause self revive

rava vidimir are bread and butter for goblin

[red wave]

uugh not exactly good? umm yeah Hvitar is a strong unit for sure specially in arena and she's an exclusive so thats always nice to pick up early, eurion is an awesome tank aswell but ya, trolgar is really a hit and miss can be useful in arena and fey - u didnt get the jackpot sorry. That would be Felosia Vinyara Elcebre.

[dry citrus]

Eurion and Hvitar were among my first leggos too 🙂

Hvitar carried me through season 1 and 2

[hot adder]

I'm hitting goblin 12 for max rewards now

Garricka, Sigrid, Philito, Voresh, Felicity

Frost, tempest, flame domain as well I'm doing at 12

[dry citrus]

that's a strange combo of heroes though

[hot adder]

It's clearing it for max rewards 😀

[dry citrus]

it might be but are you doing it with 50 seconds to spare? I doubt it

[hot adder]

That's max rewards so yeah

[dry citrus]

okay but felicity is not at all a goblin hero

she is purely single target

Garrika, Hvitar, Rava, Sigrid and Voresh would make more sense

[hot adder]

I just ran one

1 minute is my best

Philito can wipe a wave

[dry citrus]

fair enough, guess that weird lineup works 🙂

[hot adder]

Felicity mops up after

Garricka and Voresh debuffs for Sigrid

[dry citrus]

I know what the heroes do and I'm telling you that I would never ever bring felicity into goblin lair

[hot adder]

Oh I'm not insinuating that you don't, I'm just saying why I put them in

[dry citrus]

yep, apparently it works so good for you 🙂

think my best goblin at max was 38 seconds

that was endgame though with optimized gear

[hot adder]

I also didn't have another strong aoe so felicity got the nod

[hot adder]

Nice time

I need to get the timing right with Sigrid and debuffs

[dry citrus]

that's a bit tricky - you can time when she fires her first shot and then space out the debuffs, i.e. voresh and garrika take turns and dont go at the same time etc

but it'll still be largely random when sigrid is ready to fire a new volley

[hot adder]

Think I'm 17 days into S1 now so getting used to different heroes and tactics etc

[hot adder]

That 1 minute 6 second one she hit 3/4 waves at start with no debuffs

Philito cleared 2 waves one hit

I'm thinking of grouping them and then Philito popping

Sometimes he only hits 3 enemies and that slows the run

[azure sluice]

One possible team comp is frost + Sigrid. With Usha as melee hero, she'll shield herself + Voresh heal and she'll survive. Then apply frost with Rava, and use Sigrid or Vidimir. Then the last hero is someone that apply aoe debuff with battle skill and have aoe ultimate, that's Hvitar in the middle at the back of formation. There, you have your goblin team until we see what you got for shadow.

[proper quarry]

Heyo got a question concerning a possible ice blast team. I was lucky and pulled Shinnah (am currently in S2). I got Gerthin, Bleddyn and Seidic. Shinnah i cant skill up right now, i could fully skill up two of the three epics. The affinity is Ice/Radiant and so i got Garius for the team as a tank. Which of those epics should i skill up and how should i set up this ice blast team overall? And for Vortex i currently run Garius, Lorentheel, Huberg, Gillian (all scrolled) and Thelendor (not scrolled). Is it possible that the ice blast team will outperform my rally team? I want to set up the ice blast team anyways but what should i take into consideration setting up the team as a vortex team? Big thanks in advance!

[somber ivy]

skill Gerty and Bled; IB once you get lego gear leaves all other teams faaaar behind on S2 due to Inventor set which was made specifically for them

[azure sluice]

The best would be Shinnah Bleddyn Gerthin with Garius and Gillian/Ardeth. Ardeth is better though if you have her

[dry citrus]

@proper quarry your ice blast should outperform rally in Vortex. If you already have ravatrix roots (fey meander artifact), then put it on Gerthin

Shinnah will benefit greatly from being scrolled but I understand they do not come cheaply 🙂

[proper quarry]

Okey good to know, unfortunately right now only stage 36 is unlocked. But when i get it ill do it 🙂

[proper quarry]

Maybe i was just lucky with pulls but i got way too many heroes to scroll^^

[dry citrus]

generally, I prioritize scrolling the healers/shielders and then my main DPS

so as an example I was lucky to pull Felosia in S2 and obviously fully scrolled her

Shinnah, however, is the absolutely best ice blast enabler so definitely worth scrolling if you want to compete in Vortex. Obviously, there are other options but ice blast is really good in S2

[proper quarry]

Yeah im glad that i got Gillian as the second legendary hero in S1 so i scrolled her too have the strongest heal possible for me quite early. My poison team of S1 with Durango and Lothair were missing Corrin so hard which i pulled yesterday, too. With the Oak summoning event while the servers were transferred i really wanted Huberg so that i could finally put together a cool rally team which helped me progress quite easily rn in S2. Some days i wonder if i should have picked Flora because i got Felicity as well now and those teams are right now are the top teams in Vortex with Tonalnam. But because i pulled Thelendor im quite happy with the rally team i got now. With my other S4 account i just pulled Zorbax in S2 so i didnt even bother putting together an ice blast team tbh. So i will focus on scrolling Shinnah now and will see how things turn out. Thanks guys 🙂

[dry citrus]

so there's your future vortex team

Lothair, Durango, Corrin + 2 supports

but obviously you need lvl 20 rift hour glass + haste runes etc for Corrin

so it's your lategame vortex team 🙂

[proper quarry]

178 skill haste it was right?

[proper quarry]

Would have to take Frubarth i guess. But the affinity in S2 is Poison/Lightning and last season i could use Adolphus but not anymore. Which epic healer is the best one for a poison vortex team? Dont got Oggok but all epic and rare ones.

[wind iris]

Vicuc, heksandra, sifris, all can work, but Sifris is tricky

[dry citrus]

@proper quarry 178 skill haste for Corrin yes. Frurbath is very good in Vortex actually as he can heal, apply attack down debuff and use solar king's horn (mythical artifact). You can pair Frurbath with Nathaniel

set Nathaniel's ultimate on a rotation for 21.5/20

first time: 21.5 and afterwards every 20 sec

[rigid bay]

I need help to improve my curse team (S4 day 33)

It take too long 3 mins 25 sec

[dry citrus]

unfortunately, I haven't gotten that far into S4 yet but if you bring enough debuffs and ultimate down, maybe you can prevent the boss from ever using his ulti

and then just pump a lot of damage

I am bringing Ripekas and Visenya at rank 6 on Day 5 right now plus a bit more debuff.. the boss gets to use his ulti 1-2 times before he dies

[wind iris]

No 5 hero affinity??

[rigid bay]

Whos ur dps ?

[rigid bay]

Can u give some reference?

This is some of my hero

[dry citrus]

Maybe you can do it with Shinnah, Gerthin, Bleddyn and then bring Astaion and Aladiah (for control immunity) before the boss ulti

it won't be particularly debuff heavy but maybe you can burst the boss down as you're late into the season

Bring Felosia instead of Aladiah if you have her

It's possible that you need to replace Bleddyn with a debuffer to apply recharge penalty on the boss - you can bring Deverick (epic necrosis), Adrie (rare necrosis) Ripekas or Vinyara. You'll need to test it out but you should aim for a 5-man affinity team as you are so late into the season

[rigid bay]

Noted , i Will try rn

But 1st i need to farm goblin😅

[dry citrus]

ah good ole goblinheir goblingods

[rigid bay]

Ty sir have a good day

[dry citrus]

good luck, have fun

[dull crater]

Yes Aladiah is really nice in this dungeon with the control immunity and attack penalty as well

[rigid bay]

Gg under 1 min😌

[dry citrus]

very good 🙂

[rigid bay]

Ty sir😁

[short bison]

oh man, can u send me what items u have on this units? xD Who's the tank?

[dry citrus]

meggan is the tank

[short bison]

the last hero (ice one with ice blast) can be replaced with any other Epic ice with blast?

[dry citrus]

you have Shinnah? Gerthin (epic) can be replaced by Seidic. There is no real replacement for Shinnah, she is the best ice blast enabler

you can go with Bleddyn + another ice blast epic but you will do less damage

[short bison]

i have this legendary guy with ice blast (dont remember name)

[dry citrus]

the 4th hero?

Spiky hair lady

[short bison]

I have Sinnah and Zorak

[dry citrus]

tha'ts nice

so you can go Shinnah, Zhorak and Gerthin - if you don't have Gerthin, then go with Seidic or Bleddyn

[short bison]

thank you ❤️

[dry citrus]

you're welcome - only use Zhorak if you have at least 2 other ice blasts in the team. Zhorak is a good buffer but he does not deal much dmg by himself

[short bison]

I can use Zhorak, Sinnah and Seidic/Bleddyn (dont know whos better there) + megan and this minotaur guy

[dry citrus]

hehe minotaur guy

are you looking to do grave of curse 9 too or some other content?

[short bison]

Curse/Venom. Im kinda stuck there

[dry citrus]

ok, you don't want ice blast for venom.. generally you need AOE heroes vs venom

Which season are you in?

[short bison]

4

[dry citrus]

ok, you need to be able to dispel shields vs venom

for curse you might be able to do zhorak, shinnah, seidic, meggan + someone (could be voresh, minotaur guy or someone else)

[short bison]

there are my heroes

[dry citrus]

I will take a look

[short bison]

if you can ❤️

[dry citrus]

okay so you have some options available, you have some pretty strong legendary heroes

one way to go for venom could be the following: Rook, Dargo (your two damage dealers), Ergander (tank with HP and accuracy), Synarell (amazing healer) and then Brody (fire epic) to break shields

[short bison]

i rly love ICE faction but im lack of support heroes (healers)

[dry citrus]

you might be able to go without brody as Rook actually ignores enemy shields

you have good ice blast heroes which is great for vortex but your fire + poison heroes are better actually

Rook is literally the strongest DPS in the game

Synarell is one of THE BEST healers

[short bison]

oh

[dry citrus]

I can help you build an ice + necrosis team if you want but honestly if I were you, I would focus on fire + poison because of your legendaries

[short bison]

ok :/ Ill get fire+poison then ;__;

[dry citrus]

Do you have another poison corrosion legendary?

Could not see it in your screenshots

but Rook benefits from being paired with 2 other corrosion heroes - they inflict corrosion, Rook deals massive damage

[short bison]

NAH :/

only rook

[dry citrus]

ok, try Rook, Dargo and Gegnu, Ergander and Synarell

Ergander can be replaced by Frurbath

[short bison]

Ok 🙂 Thanks!

[dry citrus]

Rook and Dargo with crit chance, crit dmg, attack - Gegnu with Witches Remains, accuracy and attack, Ergander with HP and accuracy, Synarell with attack and Gatekeepers staff if you have it

Dargo can also use Witches Remains - I'm putting it on Gegnu here just so that Dargo can deal more damage and Gegnu has a 3-attack ultimate which is fine

[urban aurora]

sacredeia not a corrosion lego ?

[rigid bay]

Looks like Mr. sillydilly already answer ur question

[rigid bay]

She is corrosion lego

[urban aurora]

that was aimed at yakugari

[wind iris]

@tough grotto

https://youtu.be/5Oez_hmZxSg

Or dm 😉

[tough grotto]

ty

still resistance recommendation is a lie

[rose jetty]

Does Lothair passive damage can also increase with Enlightenment? Or just stack ATK to increase the passive's damage.

[wind iris]

His passive says: derivative, so yes, enlightenment is important

[dry citrus]

that was not Yakugari's screenshot, though 🙂

[jovial horizon]

hey guys, desperate request, pillar of dark level 19 s2: there is a ghul ende and two zarlhot and they smash me. Here are my heroes:

[astral heath]

@azure sluice got 61 mil 🙂 it work just had to time them all to only ult during backfire!

ty

[dry citrus]

Hi jarred. You actually have some quite strong heroes in general and for the trial. You could run Quaesitia, Torrin behind her, Zharloth, Garrika and Adolphus/Caraman/Questa. Caraman and Questa will jump the backline so you can focus on killing Ghulende and then the Zharloths. Your Zharloth, Quaesitia and Garrika can wear the Holy Hunter Set to stun the enemies if you need it

If you can kill Ghulende before he ultis, that is king. If you cannot manage to do so, you need to apply attack down and shields up (Adolphus) before Ghulende ultis

[urban aurora]

oops xD

[urban aurora]

quaesitia/garrika as foundation should be enough to slow ghul and zharloth down - then add w/e u want to add . i would advice for thorion and aschetius + X

[dry citrus]

Yeah, at least you can try Aschetius first before leveling up another hero like Caraman and Questa like I suggested.

I remember I beat Ghulende and Zharloth at the highest pillar level by manualing the fight with Caraman and Questa. I didn't have as strong legendaries as you, though, so I had to be more creative 🙂

Another thing, Jarred. You have the opportunity to build an extremely powerful ice blast team for Vortex and single-target bosses/dungeons. You have Shinnah, Beldelle and Felosia

Feel free to ping me if you want some input on how to leverage your legendary roster so that we do not spam this chat excessively 🙂

[urban aurora]

this chat is made to be spammed for lineup help ^^

that way - other ppl can reaad along, and get some infos aswell - IMHO

so spam away :p

[dry citrus]

spam spam

[astral heath]

and listen to phonk while ure doing chief. u may have to repeat a few to maximise ure luck

just redid the the dragon 8 times so i can survive the full 5 mins

[dry citrus]

Yeah so Jarred's ice blast team could consist of Beldelle, Shinnah, Felosia, Rose and Garius. I'm listing 3 supports as I think that the team will deal more damage by keeping Beldelle alive for longer than by bringing in a 3rd DPS

The 3 supports provide massive heals, shields (especially with Gatekeepers Staff on Garius) and Attack Down debuff (Rose). Rose is also an ideal user of the cyril's set that gives the team 15 % attack up

[somber ivy]

S4 boss Quae most f2p friendly Rook build (can be even more f2p with Jijel instead Muffin)

[dry citrus]

yeah need a Rook nerf in S5

bring it on par with other exclusives

[red wave]

I think they should nerf everyone except rook and then buff rook that would be interesting development

[west void]

Any tips? Stuck here

[urban aurora]

theres videos online from rook on ptr - before he hit official servers - and as absurd as it may sound - he was even more broken before release , and already got toned down

[dry citrus]

I still think there's too big a DMG discrepancy between Rook and heroes like Beldelle, Flora etc. Should be balanced in the future

[dry citrus]

That's a difficult one. I don't remember how I beat them but I think you need two tanks that can take all of the damage from their skills and have a backline of 3 heroes spread out so that they don't get hit. I imagine your Questa and Trolgar are dying quickly here. Torrin should be placed behind your main tank to keep him alive. Zharloth, Voresh and Ripekas can wear the Holy Hunter Set to stun the enemies as often as possible

Maybe something like this (Estella = Torrin)

[west void]

Ok thanks will try

[dry citrus]

You may need to place Zharloth next to Voresh. You don't want Berengar to go up and hit him. The enemies should focus only on your main tank (Irma here) and Ripekas

[ocean schooner]

Can I build a corrosion team with this ?

[somber ivy]

no Rook no corrosion 🙂 but if you just want 22m on CC boss then first 3 guys

[ocean schooner]

Nee ,just a bit of curiosity how this type works ,but no sense to build them otherwise

[azure sluice]

You'd want Dargo or Gegnu (but Dargo better because ranged) to apply defense down, Shink to build up corrosion, and then a payoff, like Sacredeia.

[dry citrus]

yep but Ragor has a point - Rook deals like 80 % of the total corrosion damage, so without him you should really only aim for having a 22m corrosion team for Continental bosses

I used Dargo + the two rare corrosion heroes to get my 22m last season - 1/15 CC teams

[ocean schooner]

I already have 5 teams that reach 22m
I'm working to get to 9 teams

But I need a lot off goblin farmin hava

[urban aurora]

15 teams or filthy casual

https://tenor.com/view/balthazar-crazy-family-guy-fou-gif-11775947423386520412

[dry citrus]

indeed, you need to farm a lot of goblin. I farm almost no gear until the double drop rate kicks in, that's 1 month into a season. The first 30 days are almost exclusively goblin and domain (crystal) farming

so as an example, I had 8-9 heroes at lvl 90 on day 7 so that I could do goblin at max level and compete in vortex reasonably well

[urban aurora]

vortex only really starts once double drops are live anyways

thats when IV unlocks

and even once that happened - you pray for drops , w/o using that much stamina - to be able to blast it all in domains and goblins T_T

it wouldnt be that bad - if OW was restricted to 10 teams

and yeah, i dont care that 10 aint a multiple of 6 elements

so make it 9 instead and the OCD crowd is happy xD

[dry citrus]

well, if they'd just implement the quality of life changes from season 1, that would be a decent step. The "training camp" feature helps a lot

I read somewhere that they would look to decrease the amount of goblin farming we needed to do in general but let's see if the roadmap changes with the new owners, operators etc. of the game

[ocean schooner]

15 teams is nearly imp for me

I can do 10/11 at max with 22m ,
But to do that I have to burn the goblin and domain down ,so yeah ... I've wake up late to come back to my old account After I've seen that I can get top 100 💯😂😂

[urban aurora]

top 100 is already good enough

the season end rewards for rankings arent THAT good - personally i care more for the sandcore to buy out the shop instead

as long as u can get a good amount, thats all i perosnally ever care for

[rare parcel]

That's the spirit

[jovial horizon]

Thank you very much!

[dry citrus]

you are welcome, man. Hope it was useful

[wind iris]

Interesting Team! Nice dmg too.

[somber ivy]

rather strange I would say, 4 supports and only 1 dps (and very bad at that)?

[old veldt]

sometimes miro seems so much not like a ice blast leg that he becomes a non ice blast comp's dps 😄

[jaunty wolf]

i dont complain its f2p account

funny part is for few seasons i bin trying what some of you would say good team and dmg was always less than team like this

[old veldt]

wouldn't perseus benefits more from the passive +40% cr artifact with that stuff?

f2p with astaion + perseus feels great 😄

[red wave]

Utior carrying like a champ!

[jaunty wolf]

i actually like him cos his ice blast is more self buff for his ulty and basic attack so he dont really seams to work like ice blast more like built around ulty or basic attack atleast what was working nice for me attack speed or crit

[jaunty wolf]

at around 120 stacks or 130 they start to die well perseus did few times

[jaunty wolf]

got astation 2nd time S4 XD

[red wave]

Always knew Utior will be my best pick up in s1! Wasnt disappointed! Well i still need 2 weeks to get him but still he's gonna be the bomb

[dry citrus]

well, it's a fun lineup but far from ideal in terms of dealing damage. No clue what Utior is there for and you're building astaion with crit instead of pumping up his HP and wearing ancestral protection set

if you built astaion more defensively, I bet your team could survive the full 8 min

[red wave]

that would be 9 seconds longer

[dry citrus]

"at around 120 stacks or 130 they start to die well perseus did few times"

please

Utior is absolutely terrible, by the way

[wind iris]

Yeah, but the dmg is ok for 1 real dps i think

[dry citrus]

yes but why only bring 1 dps? Obviously, that's what Ragor is hinting at

[red wave]

Hey hey hey! Why you dissing ma boy utior?

[dry citrus]

I'm here to help people learn more about the game, that includes informing them that Utior is one of the weakest legendaries

[wind iris]

Well, showing a team with a differnt approach isnt bad, its just different, and can help otjers that dont have a lot of options... sure, maybe wirh gerthin it would be better or bleddyn and gerthin + 3 but i like his approach

[red wave]

I mean it feels like alot of ppl are spoiled with good units, and dont care to even entertain an alternative team building, even if lets say they arent as good, if they get the job done why diss them?

[dry citrus]

I think we'll just leave it here

[jaunty wolf]

actually gertin would do bit less at best would pull off around 55 there did test on other seasons it was always little better with miro and miro give more freedom to setup cos not ice blast dependent

[jaunty wolf]

there are better things but he bring a lot more than ppl realise. Attack penalty, healing reduction, aura if needed deffense, deffense up, and ofc revive so its bit unfair how ppl see him but would not hurt if few buffs

[jaunty wolf]

o plz to tell me how to play so i can drop dmg to 30-40 with what i have XD

[dry citrus]

No, you're clearly not interested in taking advice so do what you want, mate

[jaunty wolf]

didnt care to level what you would suggest to me to setup this season... but would be funny showing you 30-40 vs 50-60 with what you would suggest XD

[dry citrus]

why are you here, Enma? This is a channel for getting lineup advice, not spreading disinformation or trash talking

[jaunty wolf]

bin testing on other seasons ice blast, dauntles, wild... this setup am sticking too and dont care to waste resources on others like before

[jaunty wolf]

should i be in off topic what

it never right place

[wind iris]

This place is totally fine

[jaunty wolf]

@dry citrus yes i know you would do way better with other options why i even show that even unusual things can work

[wind iris]

Showing a team that works is help for Player that search for a team

[wind iris]

Dont let thaz drag you down 😉 , i think it is a different but not bad approach and not everyone has all heroes or can draw masses and need to asjust to their hero pool

[dry citrus]

If you've been paying attention in this chat, you'd notice that I have always given advice based on people's individual hero pools. I don't mind him using Miro, in fact I didn't diss Miro at all. I merely pointed out that he could probably do better by bringing another iceblast DPS and rearranging his equipment

anyway, I'm not going to defend my advice. If people don't want my advice, that's absolutely OK

[jaunty wolf]

tried that for few seasons didnt work how you think

could work when there are bonuses for some other things active

[dry citrus]

I don't understand what you are saying. Miro, just like any other ice blast hero, benefits from being paired with more ice blast heroes

His battleskill will trigger more often if he is paired with someone who generates ice crystals

[jaunty wolf]

wild would be 30-50, dauntles 30-40, poison with what i have could do sometimes better but need more building... usual ice blast 30-55

this

[dry citrus]

What is your question?

[jaunty wolf]

i give up

you are right have fun

[dry citrus]

Me too. Best of luck to you

[wind iris]

Well to be fair, like sillydilöy suggested, using 2 IB (bleddyn and miro together) would elevate the dmg probably wuite a bit, cause bleddyn provides more ice-crystals to one allied IB hero, and therfore miro can cast his BS more often

So maybe, trying with bleddyn and miro and removing one of the 4 Supports, can still be good. But It is up to you anyway. I cant test it as i dont have perseus 😆

And neither do i have a skilled utior or miro

[urban aurora]

i tried making miro work - and it jsut doesnt happen for me

nedja and gerthing both outdps him

BUT - im using shinnah - maybe that changes things

thus said, in my testing, even if i dont use shinnah - and use bleddyn as enabler - miro would still take the shoirt end vs eitehr gerthing or nedja

but hey - if someone can make him work , im happy ^^

from what i can see on those equiopment SS - thers a ton of room for improvement though

like - on feenja and astaion

[dry citrus]

The discussion ended, Suende 🙂 Enma was not here to receive input

[urban aurora]

im not discussing - i am here to maek you guys obey my will !

[dry citrus]

gotcha, keep up the good work then

[urban aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/cackles-star-wars-sheev-palpatine-gif-15366449

[dry citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/jar-jar-binks-jar-jar-star-wars-gif-16610062661717531659

[jaunty wolf]

apparently

this is why i dislike ppl like him and i will not bother to show different opinion use only 1 opinion keep it

[jaunty wolf]

that is cos nadia is joke without iceblast constantly over 3

[jaunty wolf]

there is also ton of resources needed for improvement that is limited

[wind iris]

Is bleddyn on skillhaste and atkspeed?

[somber ivy]

The problem is you lost 2 mins of survival - which should not happen with this support cast. I sense major fail with gear and/or timings

[wind iris]

Sorry, not atkspeed, he needs 100 CR for his passive to trigger

[jaunty wolf]

he have 40% crit on his attacks but yes can see it had high crit will to with high crit and haste

[wind iris]

And yeah, 2 mins less survival is an issue, so trying around with the Supports should help, maybe take perseus out and utior in, or feenja out and utior in

[jaunty wolf]

compare probably infinite energy and resources and then go o gear can improve

it can there is no resources for that

any way i give up apparently there is too much to explain for them to go o ok yeah right then its ok

[dull crater]

I’ve been wondering who would perform better - I have a scrolled Gerthin vs an un scrolled Miro. If I don’t test him at some point I may never use him which seems really unfortunate.

Actually over all I think that would be great test content. Scrolled epics vs unscrolled legos.

[snow ingot]

Oha a miro team 🙂

[jaunty wolf]

from my experience seams to depend on support if you like me use bleddyn then Gerthin will perform better in shorter fights cos does high dmg faster mirro takes bit time. If you have Shinnah am sure gertin would do better. But need to test things with what you have not just assume like they do ideal scenarios. I like Miro cos give me freedom can work good even without ice blast support just take little time to start dishing numbers but in single target scenarion. Also bit higher stats and self heal can make him survive more. So i started to like to use him more. But it comes down to what options you have.

Mirro to start doing dmg need to put 5 stacks of pipe debuf on enemy so changing targets make problem. Having ice blast support make that stacking up effect faster

But this is my expereince

I am guessing Nadja would be even stronger than Gerthin if you have Shinnah as support. Without her she will be weaker but i cant test it my self can only hear ppl say that from their testing

[somber ivy]

I run all 3 of them together and often the difference comes down to gear, especially who gets better arti

[dull crater]

Thank you! Question: Is your Miro scrolled? I would prefer to put scrolls into the new supports I’ve picked up in the last few months. For example I picked Oggok from the thanksgiving event and haven’t used him as I didn’t have gear/runes to make him fast enough without scrolls. I would rather put scrolls into Oggok. If I can use Miro without have to invest everything in him that would be amazing. Especially since I’ll absolutely be making an ice blast team for CC

I now have all the ice blast heroes except Belledelle and the big guy… zhorak?

[jaunty wolf]

put in oggok its better used

gerth is really good and easier to scroll

[dull crater]

Absolutely and yeah Gerthin is already scrolled. I guess I am Just wondering is it worth it to try him out for continental challenge or just stick with the same team from last time s4 Gerthin Nadja Shinnah plus support

[jaunty wolf]

i have him scroled cos didnt have at time better option to use on

he can do bit better than gertin in longer fights but would not say its worth investment just for that

[jaunty wolf]

basically look at it kind of like he said

[urban aurora]

miro in a perfect world is about the same dmg as gerthin

personally its a bummer - the cost of the lego scrolls alone is not worth it imho

[urban aurora]

you lost close to 2 minutes of pure dmg time there mate

[urban aurora]

fair point - was jsut pointing that area for improvement out

[urban aurora]

additionally : IF you run them with shinnah - miro is the one thats getting the least value from shinnah - if that makes sense

[urban aurora]

the channel is called dragon lineup help after all ^-^

https://tenor.com/view/queendugif-peace-im-out-disappear-gif-13665190

[jaunty wolf]

there is reason why i build team how i did it problem is ppl want me to eat cake and also have it.

[jaunty wolf]

double dmg reduction effect, enemy defense reduction, and revive as backup. Problem is if i build other way you get that problem like you said 2 min missing... that team give thous 2 min.

[urban aurora]

not a cake person , whjat does that reference mean?

[jaunty wolf]

well i could use same saying from different country but its about ppl wanting to do 2 oposite things and think its normal

[urban aurora]

gotcha

i thnk the main confusion comes from using 1 IB dps and 4 supports, tbh

but if it works for you , all the better

[jaunty wolf]

well it was supposed to show that you can make unusual teams my best option is that for now

[urban aurora]

i did that test with unscrolled miro

using immortal comp on vortex - shinnah - gerthing - nedja

vs the same team 2 times, either gerthing --< miro or nedja --< miro

miro team lost

then i went on a rage pming every CC i know, to make some additional tests on ptr - and asking wether miro is buggy

apparently he is not 😦

in my eyes, it doesnt make any sense - his skills read so good

but he jsut doesnt perform - for a lego

[jaunty wolf]

Perseus can do some dmg do to bouble attack but he is there for unique attack penalty that he apply
Astation reduce enemy defense and give it to someone on team, apply witches, does some team buff trou gear and heal team
Uthor add attack penalty, deffense and can revive
And this kind of show flexibility of mirro that he can work even without ice blast support ofc would do more dmg with one but replacing something in team drop survive. Survive maybe can be work around with other things but need resources to build or level or even drop good set from fights

Took me most of resources to try to farm crit set and its still not good enough

[urban aurora]

did you try a skill haste set on miro?

from the testing i did i found IB to gain a ton of dmg form skillhaste

[jaunty wolf]

Think i did but didnt like how it performed. Liked how attack speed set worked and how crit set worked. Cos his pasive apply debuff on enemy making all his attacks do 100% more crit and ignore 60% defense including basic attacks from what i can see

his ulty can hit really hard, his battle skill is more setup than dmg but yeah it does some dmg

[urban aurora]

fair, my tests all included shinnah

which does honestly change things upp a lot

for example , for me on nedja im using a haste set, paired with haste runes - but i sue the gloves that reduce ult recharge

[jaunty wolf]

This time i didnt experiment went with what i know works for me but think previous season i tested with haste set even few other things. Cant remember name of item that have 20% chance to recharge 80% of your ulty

liked most speed and crit sets

[urban aurora]

atk speed is what im using on gerthin

and i was lucky with sets - i got nearly max stacked sets, in either crit set, or haste set or atk speed set

makes comparing a ton easier

[jaunty wolf]

tried that too but for me crit set worked better cos her battle skill hits good so increasing its power is nice

miros basic attack will eventually do 100% more crit dmg and ignroe 60% enemy defense so kind of could work more on him

[urban aurora]

that kinda screams atk speed set to me ^^

[jaunty wolf]

But i would expect with Shinnah that Nadja would do most and miro least difference probably would not be big. Nadja if you have 3 stacks ice cristals she get bonus 4% of enemy hp dmg

without her dont think you can keep that easy over 3

[urban aurora]

yep, thats why i said , i dont think miro really gets that much from shinnah

but you made me curious tbh

think imma do some testing later

[jaunty wolf]

tested even miro with asphalta cos of her 50% bonus and 30% aura if i could stay alive long enough it could work in rage mode did work best but keeping them alive is easier 😅

[urban aurora]

you switched miro for aspalta?

[dull crater]

Someone get me on a test server 🙏🙏🙏 so many things to try

[jaunty wolf]

no tested it by replacing feenja, astaiton, perseus and uthor. Sorry distracted by other games and discords late saw

[pale mural]

its only 20% and it only affects skills not attacks

[wind iris]

Apply for CC Programm 😉

[west void]

Can anyone suggest me a vortex team? I'm currently using necrosis team but it reached its limit. I also see other players in my server using hybrid teams (without affinity) and they get tons more.

I see they are using garius with the shield mythic artifact, but I don't have that I'm f2p

[dry citrus]

well, you can run a team around Ivellios

Ivellios, Shagrol and Nimbus and then bring your two best supports.

Probably Torrin and Garius (maybe Gillian but I see you have not scrolled her so arguably Garius would do better)

Ivellios will be your main DPS with a lot of attack and enlightenment

Nimbus with witches remains if you have it

If you cannot upgrade Shagrol, you can use Thurnus

[west void]

None of those are scrolled, you think they can do better than my current team?

Also I'm struggling with ivelios, I'm using the platinum knight set on him but his damage is still meh

Att+enlightenment

[west void]

I can upgrade him yes

[dry citrus]

I think a dauntless team will beat your necrosis team, yes. You can test it relatively pain-free, you don't have to save the damage

Ivellios does all his damage by triggering his passive. This means that he needs to be supported by other fast-hitting dauntless heroes

this is my current season 4 early game vortex team

Ivellios does 48-50 % of the dmg

[jaunty wolf]

Actually wonder what would do better dauntless or rally. He have pilto and huberg. Will need to test those 2 teams and see what works better for him

Ppl run mixed teams when low affinity moment they upgrade 5 afinity they change or lose lots of bonuses

[dry citrus]

If they are scrolled, maybe it would be better with Philto, Huberg and Tathlyn (not Alvis). We need Tathlyn to wear witches remains

[jaunty wolf]

Any way both of those teams would do better than necrosis especially necrosis he have

[solar valve]

i would use:
Garius, Gilian

and 3 rally (try different combination and see which one works best. Gitouna could be better than Huberg or Philto or Alvis in vortex at least)
or 3 dauntless (same)

and don´t forget witches remain or crown on your characters that deals multiple hits

[jaunty wolf]

He have them lvl up already to max only alvis woild not work good like already said Tathyn shoud instead. Doubt gituna would compare to pilto.

Dauntless he would still have to level up more

[west void]

Ok will try both, rally is more levelled atm

How come alvis isn't good btw?

[west void]

Yeah will try that, how about builds - sets?

[solar valve]

as Enma wrote Tathyn is better, it´s not that Alvis is bad.
and you can´t reset anymore, or?

[jaunty wolf]

unreliable relly placing and cant put defense down trough witch or what was other artifact

deffense down is going to increase dmg pretty good so you want it

[jaunty wolf]

actuall he did XD

[solar valve]

if you have no gold gear year, just put on the best you can. you can use the ingame recomendations for each character

[azure sluice]

Platinum knight should be good honestly. Also that gloves that add 35% damage

[solar valve]

this is my rally team on my new account for now

[jaunty wolf]

not sure how much options you have so one of those 2 and Alvis cant apply them

Alvis ulty is buff so dont put this on enemy

[azure sluice]

Alvis granted rally isn't 100% chance, unlike Tathlyn, Alton's domain or Lorentheel.

[jaunty wolf]

but its not just that its also like i said applying deffense penalty on enemy

alvis cant do it tathyn can

[west void]

I have both yes

[jaunty wolf]

then use witches its stronger

[west void]

I'll give it to tathlyn

[west void]

I have even mythic 😂

I'll see suggestions but they're aren't always reliable

[jaunty wolf]

well thats why you need to experiement for your self its different when someone say go this go that and you dont have right stuff for it

but both rally and dauntless should do better than your necrosis just need to setup things good probably dauntless would do more cos easier to scol shegroll and others and Ivellios is about passive but you need to test what you can make work for you

[azure sluice]

What mythic gears you have?

[jaunty wolf]

he probably mean this XD

dont think misty conch would work on Tathlyn but dont have it yet to test... his ulty does dmg and have no debuffs on it

[azure sluice]

They said they have gold, even mythic gears and also earlier said they used platinum knight (the one that grant 30% attack for 10s after ultimate is filled), so I assume they means mythic gloves/chest.
It does matters when it comes to Ivellios, since his dmg is mostly from passive (and they're not scrolled anyway), the gloves that grant 35% damage is very important here.

[west void]

Yeah I have those gloves but crap main stat

What's best for philito and huberg? Suggestions say executioner

I have all mythic gears yes, cleared all dungeons up to 12

[dry citrus]

you need the right primary and sub stats first of all. Philto and Huberg need crit chance, crit dmg, attack. Attack % chest, crit chance/dmg % gloves. Executioner's set is fine

[west void]

Ok got this saved in plans already

I'm not using mythic yet yes, all crap so far

[jaunty wolf]

think ppl would like this setup more 😅

[somber ivy]

nah, Nadja requires Shinnah, won't work half as well with Bled

[jaunty wolf]

or ppl would like this setup more no too much supports and no horrible uthor

[dry citrus]

your choice of artifact on Miro means that he's tanking the single-target hit, you don't want that. You're wearing cyril's set on Astaion but don't have enough accuracy to gain the 15 %.

So in summary, you're playing non-optimized builds

[somber ivy]

Astaion can even activate Cyril? I don't think so

[dry citrus]

he can if he was wearing WR

he's not here though

I assumed he was wearing the set for a good reason 🙂

but no benefit here, true

[jaunty wolf]

in sumary i optimized build based on what i have but that not good so this is better 🤷‍♂️

have cake and eat it

[dry citrus]

no, you're not listening as always. You never want your DPS to tank the single-target hit in Vortex, That is simply a mistake. Instead of owning your mistake, you're making excuses

[jaunty wolf]

changing to accuracy her healing drops and the die even easier

[dry citrus]

forget about the accuracy, only matters if she's wearing WR

[jaunty wolf]

if i put 1 good dps artifact on nadja i can use low rank artifact on mirro... cos resources are limited for fights i do i leveled what benefit me most from what i have and thats poison and ravitrix

also idea was to put better stuff on nadja so its clear how she performs even with adventage

[dry citrus]

It's okay to use ravatrix but your tank should still have more HP than Miro. That is not the case right now

[jaunty wolf]

also was not miro that died from bonus dmg boss dose to highest hp target

limit i can put more hp on him but then remove tank set ancestral protection

am still not happy with my dps set so other sets suffering there is limit what you can use so there is reason why it was multiple supports that was from testing things it give best output at moment

[jaunty wolf]

can see for example when i use uthor i put his CD to revive on that 1 hit usually do sometimes change timing

for example look at this set timing only for uthor and it works

more gear more options but cant magically have it all as you want unless spending money

[urban aurora]

did u try your initial setup with 4 supports, and swap miro for aspalta?

not sure if she is fast enough w/o 1 more shadow though

[jaunty wolf]

Last time i tried she actually did less will see again when i have more time or when there are bonuses that benefit her

[jaunty wolf]

well seams things that are focused on AOE when they do single target they are not as powerful and all that dmg increase she have expires with time she basically start with something like 80% dmg but drops with time

[snow ingot]

Because you guys are now again talking about miro and other teams, i wanted to try mine xD miro is unscrolled, all others are scrolled

[west void]

@dry citrus @jaunty wolf can't do more with this team right now, for some reason I also don't always get rally when ulting. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong...

They aren't scrolled ofc as I pulled most of them after my necrosis -frost heroes

[jaunty wolf]

Tathlin tends to give rally based on number of attacks he did cant remember exactly every 6th or something his ulty can be timed and piltos ulty can be timed figure out then he give rally and time around that i guess so need testing but not scrolled cooldowns can be problematic

did you try what he suggested with dauntless ? build around triggering Ivellios pasive? Could be easier to build cos more flexible for not scrolled

philto should hit hard if you can manage timings to have deffense down and rally on him

[west void]

Not yet, I'm still levelling those

Will try tomorrow

[jaunty wolf]

Well that other one is about attack speed just trigger as much as possible his stuff so should work even when not scrolled but still you will have to use darius and gillian so not sure how their coodlowns will fit

[west void]

He hits hard yeah, but can't always time it, there's also his skill that gives some energy, so timings get messy

Also tathlyn gives some

[jaunty wolf]

yeah but ulties can be set to work at specific time only even if if ready they wait to be used at set time

so just need to time it around how rally is applied

get rally apply deffense down and shoot but well...

[west void]

I'm using philto after tathlyn but, he doesn't always have rally dunno

Also the team dies at around 140m can't get proper dispel cause no scrolls on healer

[jaunty wolf]

yeah its about how tathlyn give rally every 6th attack so need probably will need to time that and set around that

problem is i dont know if he give rally to hugbert or piltho or him self 😅

[west void]

That's probably it lol

[jaunty wolf]

Well you can always experiment with timings or even try replacing hugbert with Alvis and see if that make things better or worse problem is need to optimize things to make them work and that need testing. Team should have more power than necrosis that you used Dauntless probably will be strongest option you have but well lvling and getting things...

any way you can calculate how long it takes tathlyn to do 6 attacks and build his ulty and piltos ulty around that i guess

[somber ivy]

Tathlyn gives rally to random rally ally including herself

[west void]

Hm so if I drop hugbert philto will always get it

[west void]

Well, how's this possible? Lol

[jaunty wolf]

well its RNG 10% chance to trigger it 20% if dauntless ally attack and ppl tend to underate numbus 😅

any other options for gloves ? carnage or some other that could add more ?

[west void]

Got some but all flat stats

So I don't bother

[jaunty wolf]

do you have maybe maxed out affinity on necrosis and low on other things ?

[west void]

Almost same now, got almost everything maxed except fire poison, but I'm close on that one to

[azure sluice]

Honestly, Utior could work in very specific team. Someone made that team way back in S1/S2 but they aren't playing anymore. Basically to resurrect the team after boss ultimate. But as other pointed out, non Utior team with 2 DPS can deal more damage even if they die earlier. Honestly, I only used Utior as tank against Yfeir and to apply 2 buff in Grave of Curse.

[azure sluice]

Not really, as now Tathlyn can grant it to himself. Back in my S1 it did though. People reached 22M against Jathalea with only Tathlyn and Wellby.

[jaunty wolf]

And you could see how that opinion worked if i swap things around 2 dps die earlier so end up actually doing less dmg. So there is more things to it. Gear, affinity, supports that you have...
Also uthor is not that good but ppl make him sound like useleas junk. Funny thing is they go crazy about oggok how good he is... uthor is basically weak version of that. Can also put healing reduction and attack penalty. Have 30% deffense aura and add lvl 2 deffense buff. So he can make team survive easier and also if die revive. Can reduce healing and enemy dmg. Thats few usefull things in 1 class. But revive is not as strong as invincibility...

Do think telling ppl uthor is bad can make some of ppl with limited option lose something that can benefit them in some fights. But if you have better option its easy to replace him

Dont like how ppl have selective opinion sometimes defending mediocre things sometimes bashing them

[dry citrus]

@west void you'll need to run the dauntless team multiple times to get the best result. As you don't have ivellios scrolled, there is only a 10-20 % of proccing his passive. That's why Nimbus is dealing more damage in your screenshot. In addition, Shagrol is also random as he has a 25 % chance of attacking twice with basic attack. More basic attacks -> more ivellios procs -> more dmg

Just run it in max speed 5-10 times and see how far you can take it 🙂

[azure sluice]

I mean, there's huge difference between Oggok and Uthior, the drop off is big. Oggok heal and dispel debuff, but Utior can't. This means you need to get another hero to do that. Poison has many choice for secondary healer and cleanse like Frurbath and Vicuc (both epic), while Necrosis healer is limited and the mass cleanse are mostly Ghul'ende, a legendary. This means you still need to put another hero in your necrosis team for that, such as Astaion (one of the best healer in the game) to make Utior useful. Hell, compare him to Meggan. He applied stronger defense and buff, but Meggan heal, cleanse defense penalty, and her battle skill gives energy, while Utior revives reduce the energy. Combine with how harder it is to get Utior and inspire him (only available as reward for S1 event, S3 end of season, and Calavera event), Utior is mediocre but "expensive" hero, that is support to actual support (healer), compared to Oggok who are one of the best healer in poison. Resources that can instead goes to the hero they need.
I'm still going i5 him, but only for completionism sakes and used him as makeshift tank against Yfeir. Had I have Perseus, I would use him instead.

[zinc nest]

With Summon being revamped, Utior might be a strong asset

[vernal bone]

What radiant dmg combo could I go for in the rook challenge?

I have all epics & rares

[zinc nest]

None 😛
Actually. wellby, Hegio, Alton might do decently for rally

[vernal bone]

good idea!

so no Aura?

[zinc nest]

Only think of Aura if you get Aemon.
And then, I wouldn't even advise using them.

[urban aurora]

sauce?

[somber ivy]

^^^^wishful thinking 🙂

[urban aurora]

^^

[zinc nest]

https://tenor.com/view/false-facts-fake-news-gif-3718583105056900815

[hard saffron]

what is the best combination for frost team?

[mental moon]

need lossenia or rava.

[hard saffron]

does rava pull their weight? I have auster, hochadir, trolgar and hvitar

[mental moon]

best is lossenia because she give constant frozen effect. Rava need hourly glass but still can't cast as much frozen effect as lossenia

You can use olgan. However he is melee and he able to give constant frozen.

[vernal bone]

if you want to use Auster Dorkuraz is better than Rava for most content since he applies frost instantly while Rava needs a while.

[hard saffron]

good to know thanks

[jaunty wolf]

depends on what you aim for i guess. Rava apply frost with ulty so this can be controlled set timer and adjust other parts of team timers acording also she apply it as AOE frost teams tend to be aoe attack not single target like dauntless or wild... so question is do you need aoe and timing or is it single target i guess. Dorkuraz 60%(85% if scrolled) chance to apply frost with basic attack. He can also do some not bad dmg him self

[uncut juniper]

How's Felicity
Pulled her from purple summons

[rose jetty]

best support, she carry my shadow team in vortex

[dull crater]

She’s good! A very strong addition to a wild team. And honestly even though she is single target she can still be useful elsewhere as well. She can hit pretty hard and very often.

[dull crater]

Ooooooo!

[jaunty wolf]

pretty decent can do good single target dmg can even work if used without other wild team but there are stronger things

Basic attacks and battle skill if they crit recharge ultimate so can cast ultimate more often
Battle skill does wild check if it pass it cast it again up to 3 times so can do high dmg
Ulti ignoring shield
30% crit aura in all battles

[red wave]

She has very high dmg 1 of the best wild units

[uncut juniper]

Is there any sort of newbie guide to learn about lineups and what not as well as using resources. I'm sitting on the legendary summons and just using purples until I learn

And thanks

[civic raven]

Check beginners guide, you might find something there

[uncut juniper]

thats my lineup atm

[jaunty wolf]

can work but you probably would want that dwarf on bottom lvl up... Horrus is pretty good tank could end up needing him in some fights

[hard saffron]

horrus carried me through s1

[jaunty wolf]

Felician and Tonalnan can do some really good single target dmg, Hexandra is solid healer dont make her being rare fool you 😅 Isitarian well depends sometimes can be really good sometimes not will add some aoe and tanking So can work but well you can end up needing proper tank

Lol put Blast jar artifact on tank that can taunt and look at magic tank being high dps on full deffense set XD

There are mor imprtant artifacts to get first was just mentioning it for fun

[uncut juniper]

from what i have heard, healers are hard to come by

https://hellhades.com/dragonheir/tier-list/ so far i have gotten by with my summons by looking up hero scores in this website

i saw heksandra having a really high score despite rare

and i need at least 1 healer in team

i need to figure out when i will use the gold summons got 23 saved since i began yesterday

[jaunty wolf]

think ppl stack them up for good baner trying to get good hero if i remember right every 35 summons is legendary if it didnt drop before but dont hold me on that ppl can explain better

[uncut juniper]

but where do people pull there is like multiple places u can use those

[jaunty wolf]

well chan check list of legendary things that can drop on some of banners so ppl wait for good banner

🤷‍♂️

probably not place for this but well you will get idea

[uncut juniper]

thanks

can the default character switch elements all the time? or will it get locked at some point?

[jaunty wolf]

but check what other ppl can say some could give better advices

yeah he can switch elements but dont think most of us even use him 😅

you use him untill you get something that benefit you more

[uncut juniper]

ill prob need a few more epics or legendaries or good rares till then

[dry citrus]

I used the traveler both in season 1 and 2

he's not bad - the fire and frost elements are useful. Didn't like the lightning one

[jaunty wolf]

will need more teams later in game for continentla challenge and outer world stuff but some rare are amazing and some ppl do manage to clear all with rare and epic but can be pain to do some things when not right characters

blind and stun not too bad but also not that impressive traveler is nice for fitting roler of something you are missing on start but well does fall off later

[uncut juniper]

who is the best epic to have i have the choice chest

[solar valve]

season1?

depends on your main team and element/position you need, but
tanks: Garius or Furbarth
support: Voresh, Zorlath, Vicuc, adolphus, catherine
DPS: shaltar, questa,

[dull crater]

They can keep switching. The only place you will find an issue is probably in arena where you will have to exit… the. Switch the element and then go back in. Also I think maybe in outlands rift it’s the same thing… sometimes you have to exit a fight then change the element and come back in.

[dull crater]

You have a good chance at pulling the epic healers from purple dice and you will get them frequently. There are at least a few videos people have created ranking heroes either by elemental affinity you can watch videos from about a year ago that will rank only season 1 heroes.

[azure sluice]

The big 4 are Garius, Frurbath, Voresh and Zhar'Loth. Then the next best are Adolphus and Nathaniel or Iola.

[uncut juniper]

Went for voresh
Got ice running a new character to test my rng

Lacking a Frontline atm I got 5mages basically lol

But i figure Horus might solve that for now

Is there any good tank compatible with ice

i have these as well

i know nedda is supposed to be good but idk if its a good fit given the element

got the blessed summon with discount so decided to pull ice and got that mage in the first 4

other account has this

[viscid dirge]

Need help against fathomdown, whats the best strategy for this boss

[thick granite]

Whats the best team for22 mil on shai?

[jaunty wolf]

what was combianation of elements in season you are in ? Ice dont have some crazy options out of legendary maybe dallbam in epic when he die first time he goes imune and heal up somewhat. Ulty put blind on enemy. Have forbit in rare take reduced dmg and can stun. There is amazing tank in legendary Theodomir especially when team up with feenja they are crazy but cant get them yet...

[jaunty wolf]

no ice blast ? Ice blast was doing so good i didnt even care too much about setup probably can do more dmg if i did but well

not that great dmg but over 22 all works 🤷‍♂️

[viscid dirge]

I can almost reach 22m i just wanna do more

[jaunty wolf]

don have some of characters you have so cant really say how they actually perform should be crazy team for aoe but for single target 🤔 🤷‍♂️

asphalta did amazing cos thats fight that benefits from aoe multiple clones all ower place

aoe teams tend to perform bit weaker at single target from my experience

[viscid dirge]

Yeah apparently i shoulda done IB

[jaunty wolf]

You tried how it works with solar king horn on fennya ?cos you kind of have shield from aladiah maybe would be enough and would up dmg you do ?

does Usha die easy ?

[viscid dirge]

Yeah she does

[jaunty wolf]

from what i saw only thing that is making problem is do you get stun too often and do you die too easy rest of it is how much dmg team can actually do

[viscid dirge]

I still have time to build up my 3 epic IB so maybe go that root

[jaunty wolf]

tried how it is if she use ravatrix ?

[viscid dirge]

I dont have the matarial to upgrade it....wasted on other crap

[jaunty wolf]

damn sometimes it actually helps with staying alive 😦

sometimes evne just positioning good is enough

[viscid dirge]

Gods its like my fight against rook, i struggle hugely with rook and fathomdown. Ill try different positions and tactics

[jaunty wolf]

well you dont have anything to reduce much dmg that usha is taking and dont think she is that tanky

also getting stun to ofeten drops dmg you do

[viscid dirge]

This is my supports, frost and IB, not the Greatest of selections

[snow ingot]

Feenja, aladiah, gerthin, bleddyn north. North tanky and position so that only Nord gets hit by his battleskill and not gerth

[urban aurora]

• resistance on the healer helps a lot

i would have a rnaged one tank him

that way gerthin runs besides him and doesnt get hit

[snow ingot]

Try first tanky+enl on feenja.
Feenja tanks bottom right
Nord 2nd row from left top, gerthin top left behind Nord

Gerth is here better because of higher hp tthen nadja

So Nord runs in gets hit by bs and gerth runs out of bs range

[viscid dirge]

So consensus from 3 in line up and one in DMs us that i should definitely go IB and look how i position everyone and maybe get a tank

[urban aurora]

im usingh feenja/Aladiah/shinnah/gerth/nedja

subsitute shinna with bleddyn

in that lineup aladiah is tanking, and only ever gets hit by his bskill

[viscid dirge]

Thank you guys! Luckily i still have time to farm.

[urban aurora]

just knowl that the fight is a bit RNG heavy

[viscid dirge]

Whats your positioning

[viscid dirge]

Thanks i have now 3 positions to try aswell.

[somber ivy]

That's my setup for 150M. Only Feenja in defensive gear, the rest all go offense. But it is hard to keep them alive full time.

[viscid dirge]

The perfect IB team 😭

[urban aurora]

how many times do you have to run that for 150m? ^^

• show orc geas plz ^^

gears

[uncut juniper]

Season1 atm

[somber ivy]

idk, depends on luck. but surely more then 10 - but who cares it's all auto

[somber ivy]

perfect would be Bel instead of Gerty

[thick granite]

Who should I choose for shainachtan challenge?

[azure sluice]

2 healer and dispel/debuff immunity, 2 ranged dps, 1 tank. Necro-fire has many hybrid heroes so you can use something like Joyce + Isitarian, Zhar'loth + Estelle, and Quaesitia

[old veldt]

wait, i should build Hvitar in illumination vs that boss -_- i forgot 😢
Usually it is by spreading your units as all his hits are aoe, i find it hard to do with drizzt

[viscid dirge]

Yeah im using too many melee heroes so they dont spread like they should

[jaunty wolf]

Still can be played around it like put main target to one side and closer to boss put other to other side and behind so they have to run so main target get focused. If thats not how boss focuse then can make it more appealing to attack one side put 2 heroes there and one that do most dmg alone to other side so he dont get focused. There is always ways to do stuff just need to experiment

[viscid dirge]

Thanks for the advice!

[jaunty wolf]

what they said about battle skill can make him trow this to one side and ignore other

for example this sometimes work cos nord is close boss turn to him and attack that side so skill would hit like this other 2 need to run to get to him sometimes positioning can even make one of 2 dps run behind boss cos there is way but need some experimenting

sometimes he dont attack closes target but have priority based on where if stronger character or where are more characters or where is support so need testing

for example and this could make him hit nord and miro and ignore gerth

cant remember exectly but there was something like this could make mirro go behind boss or maybe nord need to be mid cant remember exactly but there are funny way they run to boss based on positioning

[viscid dirge]

Thats really cool!

[rose jetty]

To make gerthin/beldelle run to boss side and avoid his battleskill, take out gerthin/beldelle then put them again into the battlefield as last one.

Here my 2 setup. Just take out Beldelle then put her into the field again, she will run into boss side and wont be hit by boss' battleskill. Only Feenja or Feenja + Persus tank the boss.

[azure sluice]

Fathomdown? I put a ranged tank in the middle and the melee dps on the corner so they hit Fathomdown from the side

[uncut juniper]

is zarloth a good alternative to heksandra need a healer that can fit into ice team

ice/necrosis

[jaunty wolf]

I dont even care what i put where was some of talk about what he can try and what i noticed few times character runing behind boss but cant fully remember positioning for that

Was something like last image but probably 1 more character mid or something

[jaunty wolf]

Not actually focus on healing so depends sometimes will be enough sometimes not

[azure sluice]

Not really, he's better as secondary healer, dps, debuffer, and control, but you still need the main one. Have you tried Estelle (has she been buffed in S1 for the rest? The buff happened to my server on S2) or enlightenment Thia?

[urban aurora]

Estelle should do the work

[jaunty wolf]

Estela is pretty strong. But am bit supprised about 1 thing no one mentions gladros. Not healer but can steal 25% dmg from enemy and can shield team with relatively strong shield. Some ppl could benefit from weaker healer + strong shield. For some it would be waste of 1 spot.

Some ppl have only meggan

[astral heath]

What prep do I need to do for oe after continental challenge ends? Do I need the 15 teams on day 1?

[viscid dirge]

As many as possible, max is 15 if you dont do dungeon and fetch quests

[uncut juniper]

Rn I have trolgar voresh zarloth heksandra traveler, kinda lacking dmg but at least team is rather unkillable

But I'll need to get a better DPS or just give up on a support

[astral heath]

i assume id be worse off if i dont do them?

[viscid dirge]

Well you have three types of players

1. Max rewards they build up 15 teams and dont care about contributing to the bonus against boss.

2. Players that do like 10-12 teams and 3 to 5 for the other things so they contribute to everything but dont do max rewards.

3. Players cant make the full 15 due to what ever reasons like not good enough heroes etc

[astral heath]

hmmm

[viscid dirge]

Comes down to what you choose to do, there is no right or wrong

We used to have this conversation early seasons on whether or not it was a good thing to go max or if you should contribute to the server bonus as if it was a choice of morality and well it came down to why should you sacrifice your rewards for the server if you are able to do max

[astral heath]

i wanna help. i have 6 days i guess to farm for an additional 9 teams lol. i heard i can get away by doing atleast 15 mil domage? like i dont need to do any more?

[viscid dirge]

Well 22m is what you should aim for,

7m is for players that ant make good teams. Below average

11m is for ok cool i guess thats fine, your average

15m is nice thats good for me i dont really wanna spend more time trying for more. Above average

22m dam im good yes to max rewards whoohoo, way above average

I did 7m to 11m till season 3 and about 7 to 9 teams

S3 i did 15m 9 teams

S4 i did 11 teams of 22m

Im gonna try for 15 teams but will see

[old veldt]

you speak above average, i understand it as "overall guess/expectations". There is nowhere to see overall stats of the server right? @viscid dirge

[viscid dirge]

Yeah 15m is overall expectation but one must aim for 22m even if you dont get it

Not really, you can see how many points your clan has done but as far as i know you cant see other peoples, its been while since OW

[old veldt]

yeah most of my comps did 11m barely any 22M, trying to change that but motivation is lowering ^^

[viscid dirge]

Sometimes its gear or wrong comp etc or not having certain heroes.

Try posting here and see what happens

[old veldt]

yeah i usually do in #💬┆français there are a some helpers there, but it is more a lake of time than access to knowledge i would say

[wind iris]

I dropped from rank 19 global leaderboard to rank 179 in original s4, because i did all 3 Domains once to level 5

[astral heath]

hmmm

[viscid dirge]

You. Kinda get punished for trying to be good sport

[dull crater]

Last season I was able to do … maybe 12 teams on day 1 so I used the other remaining stamina to do a quest or a domain or whatever as you still get points from those and other resources as well. Eventually I could do 15 teams as I gained resources. I’ve not yet been able to do 15 teams on day 1. This season I probably will if there are no season interruptions like last time.

Unless you’re trying to rank at the top top you have a bit of flexibility.

Alternatively if you’re ready to go with the max amount of teams day one you can just run them every day and not worry about having to build more until you get closer to the end boss.

[urban aurora]

15 teams day 1 , or gg !

[dull crater]

Your server is so competitive! That’s a significant difference 😮I did the same and ranked top 25 at the end of the season. A little more chill for sure.

[urban aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/punch-scared-oh-no-crazy-doyouevenlift-gif-16764310

^me on the old servers

i have 1 100m, 2 80m and 2 ~25-30m teams and cant rank in continental so far

krakens everywhere

[somber ivy]

Yeah, takes a bit more to rank. Last week I had 250, 150, 145 and 137M teams, ranked around 50.

[astral heath]

Oh is it daily attacks? not weekly like intercont?

[astral heath]

i bet the community thanked u for ure sac!

[wind iris]

😅

[astral heath]

tho i can imagine if i keep playing the game after s4.0 id probs do the same 🙂

[viscid dirge]

So just to update on my question regarding fathomdown boss, i used IB epics and got 22m thanks guys

[dull crater]

Yep daily. And some of the bosses feel quite a bit easier than others so often you can make many many teams for one boss. I think s3 I had between 5-7 teams on one boss alone. At that point you’re really juggling supports.

[viscid dirge]

Yeah there was competition at some stage who could hit one boss the most. you just jist gotta find him/her though

[jaunty wolf]

day 1 need 3 teams only after that starts going up

[jaunty wolf]

am sure with more optimisation you can make that go up

[jaunty wolf]

depends on what ppl actually consider continenatla challenge first part tend to be 3 teams and goes up but most ppl see 2nd part with elemental domains and all then yes 15...

[viscid dirge]

I need to hit 30 to 40 to make it worth it and with the crew i have and with my resources being limited hitting 22m is brilliant Plus investing in the wrong artifacts also weakened me but heyo i still scored max petals

[jaunty wolf]

yeah resources are big problem think p2w ppl tend to forget how that is 😅

[viscid dirge]

And im not advertising but to show you what i did i posted a video in https://discord.com/channels/928541801260908546/1227320533029228574 under fathom vs IB, i think epics are a good way for f2p to go for some bosses

[jaunty wolf]

hmmm so you got with gerth dps and tank... from what i see she gets stun and dmg nerf, well its attack penalty 1 but still if someone other was getting focused you could maybe do higher with her, and maybe if high crit cyril set on bledyn but thats maybe. Any way like you said 22m so its enough.

[viscid dirge]

Well i will try different tactic next week maybe try a tank like feenjas husband instead of whats her name that gives shield to give gerth a better chance of damage

[dry citrus]

hehe

instead of whats her name

[proud birch]

Looking for set up advice for pillar of light 60 in season 3. I've tried rally with combos of Huber wellby tathlyn tonal and aschetius. Tonal is good for damage but the boss heals the minion before I can kill it.

I could try Nedda or Carman with tonal? I can also replace Dane (def down, ATK down, heal block) with Adolphus, I have a purple box I can open

Uh, team is currently garius, Catherine, Dane, dps, dps

[somber ivy]

boss heals based on attack so you need attack down to beat him

alternative would be Beags with witch's remains and manually fire Aschetius once minion has bunch of burn and def down, maybe it'll be enough to one-shoot it

[proud birch]

ah, I'll keep trying that, it's hard to survive and do enough damage to the minions... I saw a YouTube that used felicity tonal and Adolphus, but I don't have felicity. Only Nedda or caraman might take her place but even then I doubt it

[subtle stag]

Can anyone offer some assistance with my team to increase its potential damage output in Vortex. Below is the current load out and the current skill timings I have got. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Season 1 currently.

[midnight plinth]

Guys I need help for Ice team
Highest damage I could reach only 16mill 😮‍💨

This is my Ice heroes

[viscid dirge]

For damage try shinnah, miro and bleddyn, healer/alidiah and another healer or shielder, voresh is a nice choice.
I made a video just on the IB epics vs fathomdown which got me 22 thanks to the people in here
https://discord.com/channels/928541801260908546/1227320533029228574

You should be scoring way more

[viscid dirge]

can you show what artifacts you have

[midnight plinth]

Sadly Miro is not scrolled
Only Shinnah full scroll leggo here 😮‍💨
And the problem is not a single good healer in Ice team (epic and below)

[dull crater]

Any necro healers?

[viscid dirge]

If you have her she is in my opinion a A class healer.

Also then try bleddyn, gerth and shinnah.

[midnight plinth]

Ohhhh yeahhh she still available 😂

Alright let me try

[viscid dirge]

Chingalingaling! Also remember sometimes legendary dont need scrolls to be effective

[subtle stag]

Witches remains is the only mythic I have, sadly only 1 lego double up so far.

[midnight plinth]

Still trying to find out which one still good without scrolls hahah

[viscid dirge]

Is ivelios on enlightenment chest piece and enlightenment gear?

Best gear for sutha and nasjenka is attack speed so attack speed gear works well.

[viscid dirge]

Me 2 , them boys around here keep saying they dont need scrolls, i was told that jathaela is fine without scrolls, i scrolled her and did 8m more damage so ja...

[midnight plinth]

Ohhhh Jathalea no need scrolls? Ahh I just let her sitting there all season lmao

[viscid dirge]

Yeah technically all heroes don't need scrolls as they still function

[subtle stag]

What exactly is the difference between "Attack Speed" and "Skill Haste"? I am guessing by attack speed gear you mean the Gambler set?

[azure sluice]

Use Aladiah as the tank, Gerthin on the corner. Or use Nadja

[azure sluice]

Attack speed for basic attack, skill haste for battle skill and ultimate

[viscid dirge]

Attack speed is the rate at which basic attacks hit which is the bread and butter of dauntless while haste is the actual BS and Ult skill going off. Check your gear where it says at the bottom like attack speed and whadda

Ivelios though relies on enlightenment to do well

[subtle stag]

So with my dauntless team I should be aiming for basic attacks over battle skill and ultimates?
Here is Ivellios stats

[viscid dirge]

Yes attackspeed/attack/crit/crit damage

And since you have which on sutha dont forget acc

And your ivelios looks good

[midnight plinth]

For Shadow team, Attack Speed = Skill Haste

[viscid dirge]

He is s1 so he wont know em YET

[midnight plinth]

Ohhh I see...

Sorry

[subtle stag]

Cool thanks, I am still trying for an Enlightenment rune for him too, that will get him over 300

[viscid dirge]

Well ive never seen it that way so i learnt something

[azure sluice]

For the heroes other than Ivellios, yeah attack speed.

[subtle stag]

Cool thanks, time to farm equipment for better stats

[viscid dirge]

Read the skill, it usually states somewhere what you need, like "basic attack do more when this happens" then you know ok attack speed, or "healing is % defense, so cool need loads of defense like on garius"

[subtle stag]

Yeah I was focusing on crit rate and crit damage with attack because I wasn't sure the attack speed stuff and basic attacks over the other skills. I now have heaps to work with, you have been awesome, thanks

[viscid dirge]

Attack/crit/crit damage is 60% the way to go with DPS so you on the right track definitely

[subtle stag]

I did manage 66mil on todays Vortex so not too far off getting it right lol, just fine tuning now

[viscid dirge]

Now if you get a second nasjenka keep her until you get another dupe legendary and then get her exclusive artifact

Dont forget to use your purple dice

[subtle stag]

Is it possiblt to get a dupe of her after a certain period though? I thought the exclusives become unavailable after a period of time.

[viscid dirge]

No always on the main banner though gets hugely diluted or oak blossom event and even (if you a spender) some banners include a small pool of heroes and you can choose the hero you want for higher chances which is best for when wanting a specific hero

No heroes dissapear

[astral heath]

We are talking about OE. Not Continental. Unless u mean the other content is not unlocked on day 1?

[jaunty wolf]

Actually for sutha you want hight crit chance too cos she do double attack when crit yes same stats like they said just she really benefit from high crit chance

[jaunty wolf]

this is day one getting 3 teams. When this end then you get what you talk about with 15 teams and stuff

[astral heath]

but this is continental challenge. not OE

[jaunty wolf]

damn it now checked again what you said "after continental challenge" 😕

you actually do have enough time till OE to make teams

[astral heath]

i have 14 hours lol

[jaunty wolf]

damn guess you started late 😦

well hitting lvl 90 on heroes is not hard and some teams can work like that 😅

[zinc nest]

It should be capped at 200 Otherworldly biscuits.
So we can run 20 teams and earn more Sandcore!

[jovial horizon]

Hey guys I am struggling with 3v3 team arena, here are my chars, any suggestions? if you have youtube videos etc.

Im also haveing a hard time for fey meander and pillars

[jaunty wolf]

How... your radiance, ice blast and burn teams should be crazy 🤔 🤷‍♂️

pilto and lorentheel should do short work of both fay and pillars so could be gear problem or artifacts

My radiance is not strong and still they can do good in fay and somewhat ok in pillars, shadow is amazing in fay but i dont see any so i am guissing still not in that season

Radiance you have should do solid in pvp too same goes for burn

Sorry not in right focus at moment someone could probably give more constructive suggestion

[urban aurora]

no idea what the affinity is

si ice/rad , fire/necro and poison/lightning

looks like s2

garius/felosia/shinnah/gerthing/bleddyn should be solid in vortex

lucien/phaessa/vinyara/garrika + X should be solid in pvp

unless u already got the 40k psycore nodes to 3/3 - then go with soemthing else in pvp

could try garrika/caraman/questa/quesitia /torrin in pvp

double juimp is ugly

could switch torrin for zharloth, might be better - or actually - meggan might be even better

lucien/vinyara/felosia/rose/voresh

is anotehr strong team

[unkempt aspen]

whats the best team for ancient battlefield?

[wind iris]

Totally depends on your season... but anything with vinyara is great

Why vinyara? See here:

#🐉┆dragons-wisdom-videos message

[jovial horizon]

thanks guys im in S2

[cosmic surge]

Anyone please help me which character i should build the team

[red wave]

Wait what did you buy from another persone?

[turbid flume]

You buy what???

[cosmic surge]

Sorry just please guide me which character i should build

[turbid flume]

Can show your heroes list, sorted by their affinity?

[uncut juniper]

between these three accounts in consecutive servers s1 which one is worth continuing? two older ones pulled with element banners and might be a little screwed with pity not carrying over but new one has had less pulls and going for 80/80 with only 25pulls so far

[cosmic surge]

How to sort that sir?

[subtle stag]

Tweaked my line up today, dropped Nathaniel and added Nimbus, I think it may have been a good switch. Pics are 2 days apart.

[turbid flume]

You can sort your heroes from there. Depend on the season, there are different elements combination. Such as fire/Necro, lightning/radiance.

[azure sluice]

Does vortex III applied the debuff? That's usually why people bring in Nathaniel

[subtle stag]

Not sure but if it happens in Vortex IV I can always add him back in

[rose jetty]

quick question, does the healing from this one trigger Poison of swap? And could it also get benefit from Moonlight Mantle?

[red wave]

idk about poison swap, but the mantle does increase both heals and shields from artifacts

[red wave]

But i do know for a fact that this artifact wont trigger if you have a shield

[rose jetty]

Thank!!!

[ocean schooner]

Help

I can't get above 25m

[solar valve]

i would try:
irina out for another rally

[ocean schooner]

I did
I have no decent which carrier
And still no DMG

[solar valve]

you can try witches remain on alton

as for radiance/rally, who else do you have?

[solar valve]

i have never used Donella so i don´t know,
but i would try full radiance team with Garius, Alicia, Huberg, Alton, Philto

[ocean schooner]

I did
I'm doing 22m with them

[solar valve]

but cause irina does more damage or cause of her attack down?

[ocean schooner]

The attack down I think

And many I don't know what armour to put on them ,on the DPS I mean or I don't have any timers on them

But I know that I'm doing something wrong with 25m DMG

[solar valve]

radiance is not the best for vortex, but you can check what other higher on the ranking use in terms of gear
timer: the most important one is that the one that uses and applies witches remains goes before the DPS

[ocean schooner]

The problem is that every 7 ultimate I only apply 2

[solar valve]

the wearer of witches remain has to hit multiple times with ultimate and the accuracy need to be high enough for it to apply "almost" guaranteed

[ocean schooner]

Where do I check the armour

[solar valve]

ranking

[solar valve]

not me

[solar valve]

but this is S2; you are still in S1, right?

[rose jetty]

You need Lorentheel or Rally wont work. May swap Irina for Alvis

Cause you only have Alvis as Rally gainer.

[ocean schooner]

Yes s1

[ocean schooner]

I have the other rally the epic one ho buff aswel

[jaunty wolf]

Irina appl dmg penalty making boss do less dmg man he could survive longer. She also add some shielding. So defoult idea add more dmg or buffs dont always work. I suspect affinity, gear and timing (maybe scroll) are problems. But true he need to experiment untill he find what setup give best output

Guess put attack penalty and garius ulty at 2 different timing. Hope garius have artifact to apply shield when heal

About timing of rally well need experienting

[rose jetty]

Yes, Alvis. But consider S1, you may try Wild or Dauntless instead of Rally because they are top vortex team in S1.

[rose jetty]

Forgot that his Garius may lack Gate keeper staff hehe. But as I said Philto and Alton without Rally gainer wont be able to deal damage so he need to take out irina or Nathiel for Rally gainer slot.

[jaunty wolf]

Its same story wild without flora... dauntles without proper setup...

[jaunty wolf]

Am i rememering wrong or was alton giving 50% chance when ally shoot ulty to gain rally. If he use ulty chance was 100%

[jaunty wolf]

so passive. If team have rally 50% to get dmg buff. If they dont have rally same chance but to get rally.

ulty create zone that doubles effect of pasive

so probably timing skills is problem alton should go ulty first

but could be more problmes

hope garius have.

[ocean schooner]

Ok so I've invested 100 dice to summon in rally and I don't get nothing apart from what I've got ,
Wild don't have any decent ones apart for the Lego that is free

I have the staff

[jaunty wolf]

to apply debuffs on boss need 200 if debuff is not 100% chance need to go higher. Skill on 10 sec hit target with highest hp dont want that to be some target with low defense (non tank) this tend to actually kill things as boss stack up dmg

[rose jetty]

That the problem, without Rally = no damage up bonus. You want Philto always has Rally when cast skill to get that bonus.

[jaunty wolf]

pilto is just another aoe dps mediocre dmg on ulty but if shoot 3 times then story is different

[ocean schooner]

Because I've focused on radiance I have no alternative

I have some with frost but is weaker that rally
The problem is that with I'll need to build up team for the endgame I will a max of 5 mby 6 teams in total and not all of them will do 22m

And this is ice/necro lacking big time here as well

[jaunty wolf]

yeah your best bet is rally

[ocean schooner]

I have max affinity and the DPS are al scrolled

The problem is that I don't know how I'll manage to do the end game

[jaunty wolf]

but you do need to experiment. Like can try to put garius, alton, pilto, hugbert and experiment with irina, Alvis, Wellby, nataniel to see what can give best output

[jaunty wolf]

you have 2 things that give shield garius and nataniel there is no point of both shields hitting same time so need to set them at different timing

[ocean schooner]

This comp got me even to 30m just 2 time
I can't get the timing on Irina to put the armour penalty with philito ulto

[jaunty wolf]

and put altons ulty to go first, probably pilto 2nd then hugbert and if wellby

[ocean schooner]

With that com I can barely make it to 20m because im lacking in the rally procks

[jaunty wolf]

#📊┆dragon-lineup-help message

like i said althon have pasive that give 50% chance when philto shoot ulty to get rally and consume it on ulty. If althon use ulty first this is 100% chance

[ocean schooner]

The chance is not on the passive tho?

[jaunty wolf]

so if althon goes first piltho should shoot 3 times. Cos philto consumed rally with ulty hugbert should get rarry and get some bonus shots on ulty

[ocean schooner]

So altho needs to shot first
Ok
Is my armour of choice on philit is ok ? Because he use abot of enlighten too

[jaunty wolf]

what do you mean ? It say if rally ally use skill that consume rally it have 50% chance to get rally and consume it with skill basically dont have him so not sure if it works properly but so far no reason to doubt

[ocean schooner]

Is the passive tho ,so no need for alth to ulti First i think

[jaunty wolf]

its 50% chance if althon ulty its 100% chance

50% chance could mean you use philto 10 times and he get rally 1-2 times 🤷‍♂️

if 100% chance its all 10 times

[ocean schooner]

Aaa yes , I've read it now

But he is not scrolled tho .. so his ulti is slower that philito

[jaunty wolf]

not sure about armor choice philto does some dmg with basic attacks but is it worth it to put it or go with something other. They made weird pasive attack speed give you attack, enlighten make your basic attack do more dmg... but all that is probably low to care probably should focus on maxing ulty but this is part that need experimenting what give you best output ppl tend to think straight line crit and attack...

but you said you get sometimes 30m dmg mean this is problem with timin and RNG sometimes you get lucky

Any way i mentioned wellby and i know lots of ppl would just wonder why cos he is meh

so with althon worth testing

Alvis is basically buff 15% attack, 20% crit chance and 30% crit dmg. Not to crazy buffs but if rally can buff 2 ppl for that his dmg and utility is joke (cant apply deffense down with witch)

@ocean schooner just question cos something you said about irina and applying deffense down. You know to set up timers? Like save team setup you have and there it give option for timing. I mean looking and how you did things you probably do but have to ask

[ocean schooner]

I know how to set up but I don't understand how to put it . Lol .
I mean I know where to set it up but I don't know what timers to use " forts ulti and the rest

That is why I think I have so low DMG
For example I know that Irina need to out atac pen when the boss ulti and i know that garius need to ulti at the same time ,but I don't know how to set the time correctly

Because what I've set up I get her ulti before and the penalty sometimes expires when the boss ulti so i take slot of msg

DMG

[jaunty wolf]

well you cant just type in number you want based on how scrolled heroes are and based on haste their CD of skills will have different time so if cd is like 16 sec typing in 12 sec in setting will do nothing

[ocean schooner]

Yea I think that is the issue
I don't know how
If I can out garius and Irina to ulti Just before the boss and Nath to ulti at mid Boss skill I think I can do a decent dmg

[jaunty wolf]

there is first use in battle and there is interwal how that skill is used at cos boss fight is set at 20 sec if you want skills to follow boss attacks and apply right you need to have low enough cd on hero skills and need to set interval at 20 sec and first use at what you want skill to hit at.

[ocean schooner]

Don't get it

So Irina got 19,5
Garius got 18.1
And NAT 20

I need Irina and garius to ulti like 5 sec befor the boss
And NAT to ulti at mid range of the boss

[jaunty wolf]

for example when you check every skill it have initial time that is always lower than actual CD of skill. If you want all sinchronised good sometimes you need to set it around complete recharge time

[ocean schooner]

So if I let it on default on the initial cast

And put the timer 19.5 on the full cast or wont always cast before the boss

[jaunty wolf]

so first cast sometimes can be put longer than skill casting interval like go to 2nd round of boss attacks and then it start applying if you do like skill cast 20 but first skill cast like 35 for example.

[ocean schooner]

Can't I just leave it by default?on first cast and set the time skill cast interval ?

[jaunty wolf]

to be honest i would not use irina and garius at same time cos boss does in multiple different timings and from what i saw in lots of my fights seams skill that tend to kill things first is actually not ulty end up being skill at 10 sec. Bose does aoe with ulty, then does aoe with skill at 5 sec, then hit target with highest HP with skill at 10. Ulty, 5sec, reduce hp of team and then 10 sec kill something. so how you setup things can make you stay alive longer. You could put irina to reduce his dmg on ulty and 5 sec and then put garius to heal and give shield at 30 sec for example. Or you can use garius to heal and put shield before ulty and 5 sec skill. and then irina to put attack penalty on boss at 24 so nerfing dmg of skill on 5 and on 10

[dull crater]

Hey 👋 there are a couple videos talking about how to utilize skill timings as well if it helps to have a visual guide

[ocean schooner]

I did see them ,still a noob or I'm to stupid

[dull crater]

Don’t worry about it. If search on YouTube - Dragonheir silent gods skill timing you should see a few videos

[ocean schooner]

Well if you have atac pen when he ulti the atac pen is 10 sec so you will still have it on for the secd wave of DMG if make sense

[jaunty wolf]

well cant always copy past what someone use need to adjust to what you have understand why they do something whay they did and then adjust to what you have

[dull crater]

Yeah once the mechanic makes sense you can get creative

[jaunty wolf]

if you put it before ulty it will expire at 10 sec skill and from my experience 10 sec skill tends to start killing first especially if it hit wrong target cos your tank is not highest hp on team

[dull crater]

But you might find you need to split your gear and wear two sets that will give you some skill haste and try to get it in your runes as well. If you want someone to always ult before the boss does you need them to be faster.

[ocean schooner]

Funny thing is on my main account I'm in S3 and still dint unde the timings,just power tru everything
And on my main I have the full lothair poison team with 40 stacks and I rarely go over 40m DMG , and that team should go easy over

So you get how noob I am

[jaunty wolf]

thing is you want irina to do 2 things reduce boss dmg on some attack and also put witch (deffense down) for piltho and hugbert ulty to do more dmg. So this can be problem timing 😅

[jaunty wolf]

you ether set up irina dmg pen on boss and then set piltho and hugbert to burst at that time. or well you dont care about dmg pen and just setup for your dmg 😅

[ocean schooner]

Irina is mainly for the pen
I can set up hub and Phil to use ultimate after her ,
But if I put hub I can't have nat

And I'm using NAT to dispelle the armour pen that the boss is giving

[jaunty wolf]

yes but you have irina applying 2 different pen effects...

[dull crater]

Hey just in response to this one “skill” also includes battle skill not just ultimate.

[jaunty wolf]

you want her to nerf boss dmg and buff your team dmg and this can be 2 different things based on timing you end up nerfing boss dmg at wrong moment or you end up applying deffense pen at wrong moment

[ocean schooner]

Yesssss

[jaunty wolf]

so you do need to optimize timings for this to work good

[ocean schooner]

That is
That is my issue
Or I have the atac pen or the armour pen , raly I have them both

[jaunty wolf]

for example i said boss does dmg at multiple segments not just ulty, at 5 , at 10 and 15 and 20. attack pen is 10 sec so can nerf dmg of 2 of attack, Shield that garius apply will block portion of dmg so if you split this can keep you alive more than droping shield and attack pen at same time

if boss was doing most of his dmg at ulty then yes you drop all before ulty

but needing to split this well makes irina need to apply defense pen before your pilto burst and need to apply attack pen before boss attack at different timing from garius shield

[ocean schooner]

If I had alhon scrolld I could have put the remains on him

[jaunty wolf]

think can be done but you need to build timing around when irina apply penalty in that case. Like aim her pen to hit at specific moment on boss and then aim to burst like 1-2 sec after that with pilto and others for example

or well just use her for deffense penalty before pilto and hugbert burst and ignore attack penalty

this will need some testing and tweaking 😅

[ocean schooner]

Yeah i think the Def pen is more imp

Before the boss build up staks of dmg

I'll give you my ACC and have fun with it haha 😂

[jaunty wolf]

any way from what i saw how fight goes like i said boss do aoe dmg with ulty, then does aoe dmg with 5 sec skill. And now if your hp is low cos of those 2 attacks, skill he does at 10 kill 1 target on team.

how you fix this is well "there is multiple ways ti skin a cat"

but how you fix this also affects your burst cos maybe fixing dmg you take mess up deffense penalty so your burst is weaker

[ocean schooner]

And the easy and the most lazy way is to offer my ACC to someone capable and hope he can spout the mess haha

[jaunty wolf]

nah i am sure you can do it also how would you waste your time and have some fun 😅

[ocean schooner]

Tbh
At time got so frustrated that I dropped my phone
I'm going to try all your advice if I can't manage I'll w8 for another blossom and make another S1 account

And il Focus on Fire or ICE and not radiance

[jaunty wolf]

thing is dont go crazy you cant expect insane resoultys like they said rally is not best option for vortex but you are lucky cos piltho and hugbert can still do good there just not crazy good

also you probably still missing some bonuses on affinity

things add up slowly

[dull crater]

You still can and just make everyone go after him.sorry I should say all your damage

[ocean schooner]

I'm not

[jaunty wolf]

i would do that cos he attacks multiple times so higher chance to apply remains. But probably will have to set timing like althon ulty, 3-4 sec after piltho and hugbert ulty

some things attack slow so need to delay burst a little to be sure things are applied right

[ocean schooner]

That is an idea
But in a full fight I'll lose 1 ulti from my Dps if I follow alth ulti tho

[jaunty wolf]

can you show what his ulty cd is ?

i mean his ulty and piltho and hugbert

[ocean schooner]

Is nearly 30 sec ,I'll lose nearly 2 ulti from them both in the long run

[jaunty wolf]

with what you have i would try something like set althon at 22.8, piltho at 24, hugbert at 25. But would need to experiment a little maybe not best option

so althon use ulty every time at 22,8, do few attacks with ulty to apply remains, after that at 24 piltho shoot ulty 3 times, and after that hugbert shoot ulty few times..

and this keep repeating

[ocean schooner]

The problem with this is that the boss keeps having DMG stacks because it take to long for my roster to do DMG

And if the fight goes long I'll get 1shot before I'll do any decent DMG

I need to scroll him
1 week and is done I think then mby it will change

[jaunty wolf]

for example would try this and see how it works but would most likely need tweaking maybe would not work good

if you put some haste on althon you could change that CD of his total recharge from 22,8 to something lower and use it more offten

skill seams to display all haste except hourglass (this can be annoying)

[jaunty wolf]

yes but there is no magical solution you do bad burst or you slow down and do good burst

if althon dont use ulty 50% chance that pilto and hugbert will do good burst

so if you get lucky yeah can work if not well try again untill stars align and you are lucky

[ocean schooner]

Think 24 and 25 is to much
Mby 23 and 23.5

[jaunty wolf]

depends on how alton apply deffense penalty

i said 24 and 25 cos of that

[ocean schooner]

Yea I'm going to check it
Sounds like a plan

[jaunty wolf]

maybe 22,9 and 23 is good but i dont know how good he is at applying deffense down

like pilto does 600% vs doing 1800% sometimes slowing down is right thing to do but need testing

[ocean schooner]

It decent tbh
I've tried that on default and he did apply after 2/3 hit of the ultimate

[solar valve]

you could also try witches remains on Huberg, since he has a 3 hit ultimate right away

[ocean schooner]

Yea but I still need the bard tho ...
Need to scroll him

[ocean schooner]

You remember you told me if I was you I didn't scroll it haha 😂

And I have scrolls at the time

[grand scaffold]

Hello.
Who are the heroes I need to level to succeed in Grave of Curse 8 & 9?
I'm on my 7th day of playing.
I'm currently looking for equipment in Grave of Venom 8.

[solar valve]

yeah, but i don´t scroll him cause i don´t like him and don´t use him. same for lorentheel.
i only scrolled Acilia and Thelendor for now and i´m at half time of S2

[ocean schooner]

Lol I've scrolled hvitar haha 😅
I wasted so much of my scrolls
And I nearly at the start of the last step of S1

[solar valve]

it´s only more damage if you scroll him. that´s not good enough for me to scroll Alton

[solar valve]

at least Hvitar is an exclusive and a strong DPS, but i won´t scroll her either

[ocean schooner]

In my case is not

Have you read the convo

[solar valve]

can be many things:
elemental affinity tree - gear

he hits hard, so attack down 2 on skill of someone and perhaps defense up 2 or shield on someone...

[ocean schooner]

Hi is giving 100%rally to team when he ulti

But un scrolled hes ulti has a to long cd

[solar valve]

then give him skill haste

[ocean schooner]

Yea ..

[solar valve]

but it´s your scrolls. in S2 you won´t use him in vortex either way, so you have to decide if it´s worth it to you for the remaining time of S1 now...

[ocean schooner]

How do you know
I don't have any tbh other options

Don't have wild or dautles

[solar valve]

in S2 it´s iceblast in vortex

[ocean schooner]

If I don't draw at the start of S2 any of the ib
I'm fk
I have to use them

[solar valve]

it´s these 2 epics, if you are unlucky as me and dont get an iceblast leg, or these 2 plus the leg

[dull crater]

Maybe not vortex but still continental challenge and pillars and maybe fey. I use him every season in at least one area.

[solar valve]

yeah, but the whole thing here is about vortex and ranking in vortex

and if you use him, you can tell if you would scroll him or not?

[ocean schooner]

A noob like me ,yeah sure 😄
Anyway I need to save for S2

[grand scaffold]

Thanks for the advice.
I was giving attack down2 to Sigrid, but she was defeated by curse 8.
So, I'm thinking of leveling Frurbath, which has attack down2.

[solar valve]

i´m S2 and a few are using him

[grand scaffold]

Wow, thank you.
Adolphus is also often used.
He also wanted to level up.

[solar valve]

i never used him, but he is one of the best epic fire supports

[grand scaffold]

Thank you for your reply.
I will aim for success while studying through videos.👍

[jaunty wolf]

you probably dont use him cos you have synarell 😅

[solar valve]

no, i wish. i´m in S2 😉

i only got Adolphus recently

[jaunty wolf]

not sure S1 is probably different mechanics on that fight i remember it was about like they said put attack penalty before big attack and have something that remove shield or block it on boss. but maybe they changed it there also so you can benefit from blocking or removing buffs from boss with.
So need to put attack penalty and remove attack buffs but i dont remember season one exact things

if you cant place attack down before big attack ofc you die. If it have dmg buffs even attack down will not do enough

vorash have buff prohibition so he can handle that part if timed right or you can use something other like dane, remove 2 buffs from enemy or if enemy under 50% steal them instead

seams not imune to recharge penalty (ultimate down, or reducing energy) so slow down boss skills

[wind iris]

S1 guide:

https://discord.com/channels/928541801260908546/1155731189966061598

In the first post are shortcuts to the different dungoens. It is based on the old s1 BUT key Infos are still same

[grand scaffold]

thank you.
Yes, I was removing buffs with Voresh.
After all, Attack Down 2 is important.
Thanks to everyone's advice, I found the hero I needed.
appreciate.

[jaunty wolf]

maybe am mistaking but seams only character that you have there that can remove shields is Brody. He have also attack penalty. But dont see ppl using him much

[grand scaffold]

Thanks for the link.
I'll go check it out.

[jaunty wolf]

frurbath is game changing tank totally worth lvling

[wind iris]

No shields in s1 if i remember correct, so no brody needed

[jaunty wolf]

hard to remember 😅

[wind iris]

Well, for me even worse, it changed and i never really played the new s1 🫣

[jaunty wolf]

yeah and now you dont even know what is same and what is not XD

[grand scaffold]

I used Brody during the period when a reset was possible.
He removed the enemy's shield, but it was difficult to use his ult at the right time.

[jaunty wolf]

depends on cooldowns on skills and how much skill haste you have also you can save team and make him cast shield when you want or do manual fight and use ulty only when needed

[grand scaffold]

I would like to use Brody in manual fight, but I will level from Frurbath, which is useful in various places.
Thank you for your kind advice.

[red wave]

https://tenor.com/view/what-did-you-just-say-gif-16962514353788899897

[uncut juniper]

@frozen walrus

What would be a good team to run for
Graves
Vortex
Arena
Goblin

Goblin Sigrid isitarian do good dmg but I need something aoe or better
Traveler aoe hits the whole wave so it's really good there

[wind iris]

https://discord.com/channels/928541801260908546/1155731189966061598

For s1 guides (a little bit outdate BUT still valid for chore mechanics)

[frozen walrus]

My opinion

[uncut juniper]

there is this account as well its a bit all over the place but has good epics

[frozen walrus]

My opinion is

Let me dm you ok

[uncut juniper]

sure thank u

[uncut juniper]

have read a bit of that just a lot of information to take in at once

[frozen walrus]

Focus on your story you don't care for vortex right now

[uncut juniper]

vortex im pretty close to hitting the 1.5mil mark

the biggest issue is the graves

i need the gold mats for upgrade beyond 70 and some of my teams struggle

[frozen walrus]

Arena you have use garius your frost lego and your frost epic very good

[uncut juniper]

like i get so close to taking down lv70 fire grave

but my team is killed at the end because of element i guess

not at a point i can have a different team for each grave so i need a team that can clear all 3

[wind iris]

You dint need 3 teams

1 for 2 of the domains, and a third for the "off color" for your main team

[frozen walrus]

Try farm some gear for sigrid man

She can help you everywhere

[uncut juniper]

she doing better than most atm lol

i need to get more of the epic gears still not enough for everyone to have double sets

[frozen walrus]

Ye you need fire graves