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[mental thunder]

No debuffs, he wont get past phase 2 with the crystal golems

I would use dorkruz over fire traveler so you can land debuffs on the crystal golems in order to hit them with sigrid

Also since he is multi hit ult he can land defense down artifact debuff better

Drop journ, add deverick.

[civic moon]

I'm struggling to setup skill timers also.. if the boss has three attacks each 6 sec recharge time so my to ult on his ult its 18 secs right?

[mental thunder]

Probably need 17 sec time first ults and then 18 after that; very dependent on skill haste to get your ults down under 18 seconds for it to work

[civic moon]

is that how you work it out tho?

[mental thunder]

Ya because if you put on 18 sec timer it will be used at same time in rotation every boss “turn”

But they need to be at or under 18 second skill timers for it to work

Else it starts moving out further each time til it is out of sync

[civic moon]

Yeah so I'll need skill haste so his ult happens in under 18 secs

[civic moon]

This is working a treat

[mental thunder]

Deverick’s passive makes him way strong for curse bc he basically spams dispels since both his skills are 3x hits. Plus voresh has chance to dispel on battle skill. As long as shield goes up and deverick attack down just before boss ult his shield should be small and you should consistently sustain through his damage and deal him damage over time to win

[civic moon]

Yeah I'm trying to time his ult

[steep wedge]

Hello,

[mental thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-well-hello-home-alone-christmas-marvin-gif-15846293

[steep wedge]

Need help with ffame dragon right now. Will take some time to list all of my characters

[mental thunder]

Just screenshot and post em

[steep wedge]

OK. Need to find out hot to take a screenshor on my tablet

[mental thunder]

Might be power + volume up

[steep wedge]

I'm not very modern tech savy.

Can you order the characters by affinity? There doesn't seem to be an option

[edgy turtle]

Oi

[hidden vessel]

Can anyone help me with Gillian and Garius Vortex timming?

[mental thunder]

Click the helmet under your roster menu and it will expand it

[mental thunder]

I would time garius ult just before the single target to make sure he is full hp and time gillians for right after the defense down debuff

[hidden vessel]

This timming is not good for me, I cant pass round 60 and my objective is round 150

[sinful frost]

Is that normal Day 1 of the Imperial Shadow Recast? My best team I fear 🙈

[steep wedge]

I'm doing the screen shots. Takes some time since you can only fit so few characters on the screen

[mental thunder]

Prob do more if you had a cleanse for garius poison and didnt have melees for damage

[mental thunder]

Did you expand the menu though? It should be able to show 5 across and 3 down minimum and thats on my phone

[steep wedge]

Here are my characters

[mental thunder]

You did all elements not affinity lol

Oh well ill figure it out gimme a sec

Sigrid, dench, eli, usha, irina is your goblin team

[steep wedge]

Good to know

[mental thunder]

Flame domain: catherine, quarion, gitouna, irina, berrick

Catherine uses her ult early in the boss fight so immunity lasts through boss second to last skill when she applies burn

Quarion uses his ult before boss ult

[civic moon]

I'm not doing enough damage with this team on curse 7, either that or the timings are very important and might have to manual it

[mental thunder]

So you sre topped off hp and defense bonus

[mental thunder]

It isnt a very high dps team with no frost enabler for usha

[steep wedge]

I have a chest for a free rare hero.

[mental thunder]

Honestly you got lucky and pulled all the best rares

Just grab anything you dont have already

[steep wedge]

But all in all, my character list is rather lacking, right?

[sinful frost]

Garius is cleansing himself just before the ult

[mental thunder]

Its fine for an early account and frurb is huge

[mental thunder]

Thats fair, but need to heal him up after

And her ult gonna hurt the melees

[steep wedge]

Is there anything left to do in the game after finishing the story mode in season 1? After all, everyone will be back to lvl 1 once the season is over.

[sinful frost]

Yeah - that’s the main issue

At some point my melee dps drop

[mental thunder]

After story over you are around midseason when ultior event starts; you have chief bosses to challenge weekly. Then otherworld opens up which is like a mini side story. Also has tough challenges that force you to understand game more and build strategic teams

Then final boss endgame dragon foe a couple weeks which pushes your limits of damage ability to compete for season end rank for rewards

[steep wedge]

Ah, okay.

[mental thunder]

Then season resets heroes to level 1 and you get to start the new story line being smart and strategically efficient unlike season 1 🙂

[civic moon]

Will anyone of these help

[mental thunder]

This is why you post your roster and ask for a team not post a team and pray lol

Dorkruz, voresh, torrin, deverick, usha, drop ice mc

Boss shield will be bigger but you will do more damage; time deverick ult before boss ult for that debuff

[steep wedge]

That's not me. I'm hopeless in these type of games. I always rely on help from others. I've been playing Raid for almost a year now and still need a lot of help.

[civic moon]

Ah better go back to Golbin Lair to get Dorkuraz up

[mental thunder]

Its ok we are here to help

[civic moon]

Can you help me to time Dev's ult?

[mental thunder]

If you struggling bc no shields drop voresh and slot ice mc back in

First ult from deverick should be 17 seconds and then second one should be 18 sec to get on a standard rotation

[civic moon]

with zero skill haste i take it?

[mental thunder]

I dont think you can do that without like 20-40 haste

Especially if he isnt scrolled

[civic moon]

thats fine i got gear to do it i think

[steep wedge]

Are you sure about Dench? I looked at the tier list and he gets ony a 1 (out of 5) for golbin lair

[mental thunder]

Tier lists are trash in this game

Whatever one you looking at (prob hellhades since you played raid…) is derpderp

[steep wedge]

Good to know. I've relied on it so far for levelling my characters, lol

hellhades and another one. They are pretty close in their evaluations

[mental thunder]

That explains vasska and gitouna 🫣

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-fall-and-back-gif-25193110

[steep wedge]

Exactly

[mental thunder]

Alexa, play “everybody hurts” by rem

[steep wedge]

Gitouna has a great ratings: 3 5s, 3 4.5s, and 2 4s

[civic moon]

I could never get Gitouna to be useful lol

[steep wedge]

I found out she dies rather easily

What would be the best team to get through the story?

[modest herald]

opa

[mental thunder]

@steep wedge Sigrid, frurbath, heksandra, irina, eli

[steep wedge]

Thank you

[mental thunder]

Can time irina and frurb ults so they alternate attack down

[steep wedge]

I have them in my team, but they are probably not strong enough to defeat the lvl 90 elementals

I've levelled up all their skills, though.

[mental thunder]

@pure tapir #1180150041730617344

[steep wedge]

Thank you for the link and checked it. I haven't paid any attention to gear so far, just put on sets. I'll definitely have to make some changes ^_^.

Just pulled Nataniel from a blue dice. Is he good?

He only gets a 1.6 on hellhades

[opal inlet]

Hellhades also gave Gitouna a 5 for Goblin so take that with a grain of salt
Nathaniel is frickin great as a cleanser if you ball up your team and a solid healer of buff heavy
He evens out hp so great as a secondary heal

Stack hp then enlightenment, pair with buffers

[steep wedge]

Thank you

[sonic knot]

Hi, am looking for help in setting up teams for goblin and affinity specific. Am in season 2, 1st week, so am able to reset within the next 1-2days. Did average on previous season, hoping to do better this time around. Thanks. Roster to follow

[atomic briar]

Best team for bionpphray continental challegne?

[finite turtle]

Eurion auster lossen viny voresh

[waxen arch]

Hey I trying to get help on who to build, I have pretty much all rares also should I get fire if the gods oil or pipe organ or raise karths inspiration? I havet witches remains, gatekeepers stage and hourglass already

[atomic briar]

Ty. No need for elecbre you thibk

[half ridge]

can try elecebre over voresh

[civic moon]

Goblin Lair III help please - who should I be looking at as my main farming team?

[mental thunder]

Whats average when you have all 3 lego rad dps lol

[mental thunder]

Isolde, meggan, deverick, zadok, tioh… or zharloth, questa for dps

Garius, alton, philto, voresh, huberg

Frurbath, sigrid, iola, 2 thunderbolt heroes (lego and epic)… or drop thunderbolt and run nathaniel + irina

Pick 2 of them. I ran garius, frurb, sigrid, iola, voresh for clearing all of pve content successfully… and that is essentially a goblin team just drop frurb and garius, slot rava and usha.

[mental thunder]

Buy horn artifact, as healers can use it to add more dps buff

[mental thunder]

Also, irma, gladros, deverick, iola, ichiucatl are all very useful. Especially for pillar and fey

I cheese fey with iola, sigrid, voresh, garius + acilia/another aoe dps like lothair

[mental thunder]

Isnt vinyara immune to control? And doesnt lucien make the group immune briefly?

[finite turtle]

Oh yeah I forgot she does healing too. Elecebre then

[mental thunder]

Id go elcebre, lucien/eurion, vinyara, auster, lossenia

[atomic briar]

Thanks this makes sense

[finite turtle]

And if you can tune viny with 175ish haste she can land her ult 3 times per boss cycle

[mental thunder]

Voresh, sigrid, usha, dorkruz, irina

Yes?

[atomic briar]

Oof that woshld be nice. Can get her to 170 rn

[finite turtle]

170 could work give it a try.

[atomic briar]

Who would you scroll out of these? I hafe a few on hand right now and want to build oht my frost roster a bit. Thinking either elcebre or vinyara

[sonic knot]

Haha only got 2 at the end of season 1 and 1 at the start of season 2, so haven't managed to play around with them much. I'm very happy with my heroes, just not sure which combination works best. Thanks for your advice, will try it out

[mental thunder]

I tend to not use heroes i dont full scroll. But that is my ocd issue. Depends on their kit and the timings. If they need an upgrade for a debuff to be 100% thats the best use

[old abyss]

Hi hi, any help for bosses for lunar event, gotta prep properly for F2P 😂

[sonic knot]

Lots of thanks 😄

[wind iris]

#1195286558199267329 feel free to add yur thoughts in there 😉

[somber glacier]

Any suggested line up for heretical ruins 9?

[azure sluice]

I got mine using Voresh, Rava, Tamar, Usha, and Sigrid.
The tactic is Voresh with haste and accuracy to apply Def penalty - heal - and brotherhood buff; Rava with skill haste, crit, and accuracy to apply frost; Tamar with accuracy and crit as aoe debuff using both her battle skill and ultimate (dps + accuracy gears); Usha center front as tanky dps and Sigrid full dps.
For you, you can substitute Rava with Dorkuraz and maybe Journ for Tamar

[azure sluice]

I used Tamar with as high accuracy as possible (food, Sigrid aura, 3 affinity) to stun the little bird just after they cast ultimate so their meter empty but they don't do anything. That would put them in rotation of 24.5+ s so it's hard to auto. My trick is to have 24.5 s rotation but start a bit later, allowing them to apply 1 buff each for 5 turns (so total 10 stacks).
Cleanse for the burn, dispel/buff prohibition for the invisibility, Sigrid for attack down and heal prohibition (only matter when bird don't get stunned).

[ornate zenith]

Looking for some team advice (and build advice) for S1 otherworld domain teams. I'm currently unable to clear level 5 for any subclass

[mental thunder]

when you say subclass do you mean... domain? that's not a term that is used anywhere... edit: i see now you said domain after otherworld.

so it isnt really as simple as use this team or that for domains, you are going to have to pay attention and manually play the domain 5s because they are a bit harder.

approach them like fey or pillar. couple debuffers with wide AOE using stun sets... tank, healer, maybe a tanky dps

[ornate zenith]

Can't auto? That's rough. Haha. Time sink!

[mental thunder]

frost domain 5 you have to deal with trolgars and questas jumping on you... fire domain has shagrols jumping on you... necro has questas. you have to really bait them with a very tanky healer with high defense and low hp

which means lower than the debuffers and dps...

so you either make them more hp for this or you make the healer dangerously low

however, once you complete a domain 5, you dont have to touch it again. pick whichever is the easiest that you can manage to auto 5 on and that is the one you farm daily with your OW stamina that you arent using already on bosses for points

[ornate zenith]

Thanks for advice!

[mental thunder]

and i think you can use the same team for all 3 really, there are no constraints of element in those domains

iirc, they are hard enough as it is lol

[ornate zenith]

Nope, they just give damage bonuses for certain affinities

[mental thunder]

i would try oggok, adolphus, isolde, sigrid, dane

put dane on a stun set, maybe even sigrid on a stun set - give them both acc enough to land it

like 200-250 acc

can make adolphus your jumper bait. high defense like 2000-3000, high enlight but low hp like 40k

and make your dane and sigrid 45k+ hp on stun sets

and ofc target jumpers with every ult you do with your dps to try and get rid of them

they are harder than the bosses tbh

[ornate zenith]

I'll work on that team! Thanks!

[mental thunder]

if it doesnt work, you can always try irina (stun set), thelendor, garius, ichiucatl, quarion

but make thel tanky and ichiu be your bait

and can time the quarion/ichiu defense up II in alternating fashion

since everyone gets shields from ichiu passively whenever they ult anyway

[soft garden]

I have been super lucky with rally heroes, can I make a functioning team out of the following:

[mental thunder]

zeffi, loren, hegio, wellby, sagomir can work... you say lucky with rally heroes but you got none of the 3 rally dps lol

[soft garden]

rather mean super lucky that the legos I got.. but yea im aware of the dps currently main team is ice/necro but im getting to the point that I need 3 teams for the story

[mental thunder]

well with zeffi you can cheese most stuff

might need to drop hegio and go with catherine for more heals but that team should be fine most content

sag does move around the field more than straight tank so that can be challenging

[soft garden]

fair enough you think wellby would be worth investing into for some dps?

[mental thunder]

for sure, he's a rare and ranged dps; plus with lorentheel ensuring he has rally up all the time, his ult will be insanely fast cycling

check out his ult wording... he will spam it. aoe ranged spam ult 👌

[soft garden]

thats my next one then thanks

[mental thunder]

just need garius and philto and maybe iola and perfect team there

two teams i should say lol

[soft garden]

currently using this for most content . but I really want garius and philto

[mental thunder]

that's a pretty nice team, using auster as enabler for trolgar?

[soft garden]

yea but as every game like this need moar gear

[sinful raven]

best free to play team to be able play on vortex 4 ? had enough staying on level 3

[mental thunder]

silly question. show us your roster and we can pick a team, i cant suggest something you dont have - that's wasting time

[sinful raven]

@mental thunder its not silly ftp mean no legendary thats all

[mental thunder]

i'm not going to waste my time suggesting a team you dont have, show your roster

[sinful raven]

its fine maybe someone other know

[mental thunder]

lol imagine being a content creator who doesnt know what they are doing

[lime wasp]

Norman: what he means is: he can't guess what lego/epic champs you have. Personally I'll suggest Alfie/Tonalnan/Errich/Frurbath/Viccuc. As you said no lego's (and I'm assuming you DO have Errich)

And now it's your turn to say: 'oh, I don't have those, any other comps?' And Mrow will have been correct

Now I'm off to work again, CU!

[mental thunder]

he can go make a video about how bad he is at the game then

[brittle coral]

I did my dungeon settings but i cannot prevent my hero to use skill

I want my garius to ult later ,

[mental thunder]

you go to edit skill timers and just increase the time for the first ult

[ebon thistle]

Does Errich need to be scrolled to get high vortex scores? Is it ok in general to leave wild troops unscrolled?

[safe nebula]

Can i do grave of venom.4 with a team?

[mental thunder]

depends on how high you want to score... obviously you scroll them you'll do like 20% more each really. errich isnt your main wild dps anyway or shouldnt be... if he is you shouldnt be using wild on vortex lol

[mental thunder]

s1 venom is a joke. horrus main tank, frurb just below him. meggan, fire mc, sigrid/iola

[safe nebula]

I m on day 6 only i want to get it done before tomorrow lol

[mental thunder]

fire MC and iola or sigrid you put in a line straight back from horrus starting at the back left

[safe nebula]

No meggan or sigrid yet

[mental thunder]

can use heks i guess

meggan just removes defense down as a passive so she's better for venom

[safe nebula]

horrus gets one shot

[mental thunder]

gear issue. go farm curse first lol

[safe nebula]

Cant do curse either yet🤣

Tomorrow i can probably because then journey lvl 23

But want to be ahead of the rest🤣😋

[mental thunder]

grover, schaltar, quarion, iola, ice MC....

[safe nebula]

Tried different teams cant pass 4 somehow

[mental thunder]

you kidding me right, curse is easy for your crew

[safe nebula]

I must be doing something wrong then

I only do auto maybe manual it?

[mental thunder]

well you got grover level 39 so that's what you are doing wrong

[safe nebula]

I just got him yeah he is new havent test him yet

[mental thunder]

he strips 2 buffs with ult

you time his ult right before boss does his, also time ice MC ult same time so you get shields

strip both buffs, add shields, quarion heals and defense up... you take no damage

iola attack down on boss too; time all their ults right then before boss ult each turn

and schaltar is your tank up front and dps enabler

just make him tanky; if it isnt working put frurbath there for more heals

[safe nebula]

Oke thank you will give it a try now but outside frurbath whatever tank i put there it gets one shot

[mental thunder]

at your level, you want probably flat defense on the blue tier gear for body and hands main stat

put those on horrus and go back to venom

as long as you have flat defense main on those 2 pieces just put green pieces for other 2 slots head and weapon on him

should be enough defense and hp to get you through round 1 and then you fine from there

[safe nebula]

I dont have horrus skilled up maybe that is why he dies but will try curse first with your tips

[ebon thistle]

If I also have Rhash, would you think it's worth it then?

[mental thunder]

yes, rhash is your main dps there; errich you put on accuracy and have him land defense down with artifact for you

and then you can bring tonalfan or alfie if oyu have either

[ebon thistle]

Alfie, no Ton yet. That's helpful to know. Thanks!

Also wouldn't have thought to use Errich for the def down artifact. Great tip!

[latent isle]

My brother, i got nastjenka dupe from horn this morning, no need to think about the right leggo arti anymore

[mental thunder]

that's filthy

[latent isle]

But i dont have any decent tank nor healer for radiant/lightning

Succs

[mental thunder]

i wouldnt scroll alfie, he just there to help wild procs and slow offdps

tonal you scroll when you get her and you got a 9/10 team

[latent isle]

I have all epics but garrius :/ no leg radiant healer

And radiant/dauntless dont have attk down

Life sucks

[mental thunder]

iola and irina?

sagomir, tamar for legos...

they do have it, just need to look 😛

clovis can tank and i think he has attack down on his kit too

quarion, clovis + 3 dauntless; make one of them your defense down arti holder

easy peasy

[latent isle]

Oh yea i forgot rares exists

Yea he does have

Nimbus witches, ivelos fan, quarion horn, Nast, shaltar?

Wait not shaltar, clovis

Im too used to safe comp with chrysos, frur, vicuc, ergander, felicity

[rapid crow]

can exclusive legendaries be found from the horn?

[safe nebula]

@mental thunder

Beat it once🤣

[dark pike]

What team do you recommend forming for PVE?

[timid mango]

Which content

[dark pike]

in general

[ebon thistle]

Will Deverick's dispel of a buff effect get rid of an enemy's shield? Like in Ice Dungeon or Grave of Curse?

[lunar gale]

Shield is not a buff, you need a shield remover

[dark pike]

soooo

What characters can I use?

[ebon thistle]

Ok, so a dispel shield.
Does a buff prohibition prevent shield?

[mental thunder]

No lol

[lunar gale]

No, as it's not a buff :), there is shield prohibition in S2

Use the filter in gallery to find shield removal or prohibition champs

[ebon thistle]

The terms of what is or is not something is so confusing for me, think that's why I struggle... Build up thinking something will work, then nope. Lmao.

[mental thunder]

Other games have shields being butfs so i hear ya

[lunar gale]

The filter also classifies what are considered buffs or debuffs

[ebon thistle]

You can filter for that in the gallery?

[lunar gale]

Yes

[mental thunder]

Click the helmet

[ebon thistle]

Ok, I'll poke around and come back if I don't have someone. Cheers!

[mental thunder]

Shook and ichiucatl both lightning epics

[lunar gale]

Filter button on the top right

[mental thunder]

Brody fire epic

[rapid crow]

a team with irma, dorkuraz, meggan, voresh and rowena could work against bionphray?

[lunar gale]

A lot off people go wrong with control also, as for example stun is not a debuff but control, and will need control removal or control immunity

[mental thunder]

green team is for goblins. make usha tanky, bracelet artifact for self healing. if you cant manage to keep her alive, just use garius up front instead for now.

red team is 3/5 for a decent summoner necro team. you need meggan as a healer and deverick or gadros for utility to round out that team. blue heroes are all good and you can level them eventually. rest i wouldnt touch based on what you have already

yellow team is just general progression team

[mental thunder]

i dont like how blind is considered control but again, whatevs

[tall parrot]

what are good units for flame domain

[mental thunder]

you gotta show us your units man, we cant tell you to do something you cant do

[ebon thistle]

Which of the control abilities stop ultimate from recharging?

Also, looks like I have all 3 of the shield dispel troops. Shook or Ich better in more cases?

[mental thunder]

that was the point of the comment in other chat - share your roster screenshot and we can help

click the little helmet under your hero menu to expand it and then click each of the 2 element affinities at the bottom of the element filter, screenshot each and paste

[lunar gale]

Recharging speed penalty, missing in the filter indeed, go for ihu, that passive is great with music box

[mental thunder]

yellow team is ok for now low flame domain; green team for goblins

for flame domain use ice traveler mode; for goblins use fire

when you get more heroes you can come back and we can rebuild your teams

[tall parrot]

thanks

[mental thunder]

reset noteera immediately she is trash

repurpose that xp into the circled ones

wait woops i meant merideth to be yellow one sec

there better

[raw wraith]

Stuck at pillar of light 40 s1. Can bosses be beaten with a relative f2p team without healing block? All I have is astwin and I don't think it be worth leveling him.

[rapid crow]

possible team against bionphray?

[mental thunder]

the only real way to win there is heal block or super heavy damage... it gets super hard around 40 so idk if it is f2p friendly lol

[mental thunder]

can try irma, deverick, voresh, dork/meggan, rowena

if dying too easy with dork go meggan. could also try and remove voresh for meggan but i'd prefer both for heals over 1

[raw wraith]

Yeah I figured as much. I only have a few days till reset, so even though I didn't finish my pillars or fey I'm not too fussed. S1 cucked me hard on epics, so many useless dupes it's not funny.

[elder swift]

Does anyone here use Nathaniel for vortex? I need some help setting him up properly

Specifically to make his battleskill dispell the defence down debuff.
Without skill haste, so it's on 5s/10s, I manage to time it after the 3rd attack (that does the debuff) and before the 4th attack, and because of the 20s boss rotation it's supposed to stay like that. But at some point it just gets delayed until after the 4th attack animation, so I don't remove the debuff on time.
And with skill haste it's just all around the place.

[mental thunder]

you can try and reduce the battle speed to 1x and let it run that way... sometimes animations will screw up timings, but if you lower the speed it tends to be a little more accurate from what people have said in the past

[dark pike]

ohh thanks

[cerulean cairn]

Snowfield fire domain is driving me nuts. I'm on stage 4, and can make it to the boss consistently, but get obliterated.
I have full fire/poison affinity, and most epic/all rare artifacts.
Adolphus will have maxed skills by tonight.

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

[elder swift]

There's definitely something fishy going on with the battle skill timing. First of all it goes off at around a 3 seconds delay, so at the 8 second mark instead of 5 without skill haste, and then at some point it gets delayed by a couple seconds, jumps from around the 18 seconds mark in the boss rotation (after the 3rd whirlwind attack) to around 21 seconds (after the 4th attack during the animation)

Even with some skill haste it gets delayed

[mental thunder]

you have to watch targeting and jumpers; are martina/hegio using ults on dane/adolphus in that position? if so you may wish to put vicuc behind horrus and spread the squishies out more

also why do you have eyeball on dane and not sigrid? and why is your sigrid under 100% crit?

what you are doing wrong is your gear is kinda stanky :/

[cerulean cairn]

I'm new, and I'm mostly trying to balance defense with everything else- my reasoning is I can at least live long enough to analyze problems. I wasn't aware that sigrid was a crit centric character, and dane has mostly been a powerhouse until now, so I didn't realize. Thank you for the comprehensive tips though!

[mental thunder]

i think the team actuallly looks decent as far as composition. i just think your stats are off. if you want targets, you need like 200 accuracy on dane minimum, but no more than 250. you also want him to be fast, like +40 haste if not +60. after those stats, focus on crit%, attack and then crit damage. sigrid you need 100% crit for sure, and you are going to want 200 accuracy to land heal prevents. this can be negotiated with 2 chest pieces in your gear arsenal of the same set so you can swap them out... one piece accuracy main, the other attack% main. that way sigrid can swap between accuracy and attack as needed. then after maxing crit% you can focus on attack and damage stats.

vicuc could use some accuracy (200) but otherwise can just be all hp and defense with skill haste so he can cleanse and heal more often; horrus needs defense% hands and body and then lots of HP. some accuracy and resist on horrus is also appropriate, and more skill haste means his self barrier and heal on hit ultimate will cycle faster to help sustain. does that make sense?

[obsidian phoenix]

Team suggestions for trials ?

[civic onyx]

This is what I got for lightning/radiance. Suggestions for a Pillar of Trial team? Thanks in advance 🙂

[mental thunder]

Irma, isolde, meggan, zharloth, adolphus is a good tanky setup, drop irma and zhwrloth for irzillas and zadok if you need more damage

[obsidian phoenix]

Oh yeah Irma is a new pull, never tried her.

Isolde > Hurrus ?

[cerulean cairn]

Omg thank you for explaining it! Now I'm going to grind the graves for good legendary gear 😄

[sharp path]

Best TV and general content teams after these recent pulls? Assuming Garius, Schaltar and the two legos plus Nathaniel or Irina?

Best rare/epic artis for the legos and support? Assuming vile ink for Schaltar

[elder swift]

Does anyone here use Nathaniel for vortex? I need some help setting him up

[mental thunder]

For sure, especially with adolphua synergy

[mental thunder]

Garius, schaltar, sutha, garett, irina and yes vile ink on schaltar. Wine cup and horseshoe on the other two

[sharp path]

Not manticore? I know dauntless battle skills are treated as basics, so is that why?

[elder swift]

Wouldn't you rather put the crown/witch on Garett in this instance? Irina only has 1 hit so it's not very reliable, and it would probably add more damage than a dps artifact.
Also, are you sure the ink is better than the eyeball on schaltar?

[mental thunder]

Yeah one of the dauntless with multi hit arti is better for defense down

And yes ink better for his derivative

[elder swift]

Hmm I've seen some people say that Eyeball can be better. I don't have both at 20 so can't test myself

[sharp path]

@mental thunder if I have the following artifacts built, sounds like wine is the best to max first? While not as ideal, can give other attack artifacts as closer replacements? Would nail apply to schaltar’s chain lightning damage?

[elder swift]

I'm pretty new but it looks like horseshoe before wine. Are you building specifically for vortex?

And I think the nail only affects the damage from the passive, not from the BS and ult.

[sharp path]

Right and he has a passive that deals derivative damage

And as an FYI, horseshoe doesn’t work exactly as described

It’s “broken”, only checks at that frequency vs having a CD to proc the extra attack speed

[elder swift]

TBH I use horseshoe more for the extra crit damage and less for the proc

[elder swift]

And his battle skill and ult also deal derivative damage so you're missing those

[sharp path]

Right which is still great, just making sure you’re aware

[sharp path]

For sure, just can’t afford to build all three and once and that’s a marginal benefit

[elder swift]

In any case the eyeball is definitely better than the nail anyway, and you have it at 20 already.

His ult is like 90% of his damage.

[sharp path]

So the ult damage impacts all of the blessings of thunder attacks from his allies?

[elder swift]

I think so

When I use Schaltar in vortex he does close to 50% of the damage on his own, which means his ult's blessing counts towards his own damage, so I guess yes it does. If it didn't then he would be barely doing anything because he attacks slowly.

[formal yoke]

opinions on Gumm? I just got him for free, and he seems highly rated. I’d be curious how he is used by everyone.

[graceful gyro]

What would be a good lineup for just progressing through the game? I have all blues

[mental thunder]

Garius, sigrid, voresh, auster, adolphus if you just doing story content

[elder swift]

I tested now schaltar in vortex with lvl 20 ink and eyeball and there is barely any difference, although the eyeball did a bit more on average @mental thunder

So the 20% from the eyeball must stack differently than the 35% from the ink if they give more or less the same outcome, especially when the eyeball affects only the ult and the ink is supposed to affect all his skills

[dusty sentinel]

😋

[zenith cobalt]

Bro shaltar passive, battle and ultimate skills affected by ink overall. While eye only affect ultimate if you total the amount damage done probably goes to ink. I bet you only counted the difference between ultimates only.

[zenith cobalt]

Gumms suited more on pvp arena than the contents although he can use in some non boss type battle cause blind and stun wont affect bosses.

[elder swift]

Why do you bet that exactly?

[elder swift]

Also that's exactly what I wrote, yet the eyeball still does more damage, how do you explain that?

[zenith cobalt]

Cause you need more enlightenment for him to scale up with ink. Have you tried that?

[elder swift]

Why do you think I didn't? And why did you bet that I only counted the difference between ultimates (that isn't actually even possible)?

[ebon thistle]

does ink take a hero with no derivative damage in their skills and make their skill do derivative damage? Or will only heroes with some default derivative component benefit from ink? (figure I'll jump into the ink discussion, ha)

[elder swift]

It says that the hero will do more derivative damage so it's not supposed to take any non derivative damage and make it derivative. I suppose that's how it works but I don't think you can know for sure.

[zenith cobalt]

Ink makes all passive, battle skill and ultimate to have derivative damage in sacrifing for no crit.

[ebon thistle]

yeah, in S1, I used ink on all different types of heroes. It seemed to help, but I think that may have just been due to the + atk.

@zenith cobalt if that is the case... then any hero using ink would also benefit from + enlightenment on their gear, right?

[zenith cobalt]

Yes exactly enlightenment + attack.

[ebon thistle]

is 1 enlight = 1 attack for that purpose?

[elder swift]

No, it must be stronger because it's easier to get attack than enlightment

[ebon thistle]

or is enlight weighted differently? x10 x100 of 1 atk?

[elder swift]

It doesn't say anywhere what it really does. The game even hides the fact that it also increases poison damage.

[ebon thistle]

i feel like if some good controlled dmg tests were done, we could fit the data to find out what that factor would be. Unless it is already known.

[elder swift]

I think it increases derivative damage %, looking at how ink compares to eyeball.

And that ink adds onto that damage bonus instead of increasing it.

[ebon thistle]

which would have an impct on poison.

[elder swift]

It does impact poison but the game doesn't say that anywhere.

[zenith cobalt]

This is deep discussion example this is my theory example ultimate damage around 700% attack rounded by derivative damage example 200 enlightment the boost 100% damage in this equation: 700% x 100% = 1400% damage so if you have higher enlightenment arount 800 enlightenment your scale does more derivative damage. Thats how i understand it.

[ebon thistle]

Meant to reply to your lower statement, ha. Sorry.

[zenith cobalt]

Plus ink boost another 35% derivative damage.

[elder swift]

Can you answer what I asked @zenith cobalt ?

[zenith cobalt]

Or just 700% + 100% = 800%

• 35% = 835% all derivative dmaage

[ebon thistle]

I'm thinking it may be that one. Based on my results. If it jumped to 1400% we'd all be using it and not knowing why 😂

[zenith cobalt]

You can actually can see derivative damage in stats just click it on what percentage it boost depending on your enlightment.

[zenith cobalt]

Its my theory anyone can guess it, thats i change it to +100%

[ebon thistle]

I guess I never noticed there was an option to see the derivative dmg. Will have to look at that closer.

[zenith cobalt]

Did anyone tried to look on enlightment description in your character😂

Bro make it 800 enlightment and you can see 400% damage boost

The fact that ink makes all passive, battle skill and ultimate skill all doing derivative dmage. This make it very strong.

And all you need is enhancing enlightment and attack. Without getting any need of crit / crit damage is a huge +.

[ebon thistle]

Ok, yeah I'm definitely going to have to play with ink a bit more then. I thought it only helped heroes that had some type of derivative dmg (i.e., poison, or stated enlightenment bonus).

[elder swift]

So how do you explain that the eyeball adds more damage? 3rd time I'm asking

[lucid lily]

Do yiu guys know who are the best damage dealers in rare and epic category?

[ebon thistle]

@elder swift my guess is because of the crit damage ability. That can multiply much more than the %deriv dmg increase from ink.

My understanding is the base + crit damage would all get the % increase from eyeball on the ultimate.

[zenith cobalt]

Yeah crit difference / crit damage difference cause ink disables this stats.

[ebon thistle]

Or rather (base * % increase)*crit %

[zenith cobalt]

Im not done yet. The raw attack coming from the eye and the ultimate dmg bunos is not par on the ink + enlightment.

Simple its not equal bro

[elder swift]

Crit from what? His basic attacks? He attacks slowly with like 20% crit

And there are 2 other dauntless that attack 10 times more than him that proc his ult

[ebon thistle]

skills can crit hit too, as with base attacks. So for each bit of dmg removing that crit ability with ink causes it to be a little less overpowerd. Probably on par from what your tests showed.

[elder swift]

Schaltar's skills cannot crit

[ebon thistle]

can his base attacks?

(I don't have him)

[elder swift]

yes they are normal attacks...

Any crit he has is coincidental because it's pretty useless on him, his skills can't crit and he has slow attack speed with no boost from skills like other dauntless.

[zenith cobalt]

Probably eye > ink to be compete with eye you need high amount of enlightenment + attack to be on par with eye.

Do you swear on this bro that you have tried this to eye vs ink?

[elder swift]

So why did you decide that I don't have enlightment?

And why did you decide that I only tested one ultimate's damage that isn't even possible to do?

[zenith cobalt]

Im using him with ink with only needing enlightenment + attack on S1 there also a youtuber using him with ink

https://youtu.be/9LrDP9dlZUk?si=SDQjlFbWSY5U-tT6

Watch this

With legendary attak + enlightment

[elder swift]

Why do you keep ignoring my questions?

[zenith cobalt]

Equipment

[elder swift]

??

[azure sluice]

Ulti hit multiple times (for crown or remains), one of few with control effect that available for Radiance. I only used him to debuff Jathalea though

[zenith cobalt]

I scrolled high up and searched all your chats Bro at first you tell you dont have eyeball at 20, you cant test it. And you even dont meantioned how many enlightment do you have on your shaltar. I dont say i decided i just dont see you also mentioned it either.

So formal question how much enlightenment did you use + ink bro

[elder swift]

First, I did have eyeball at 20, I didn't have ink at 20 earlier. And I also said I am weaing enlightment gear. And later I said that I tested it with vortex runs but you decided that I didn't and that I wasn't even using enlightment gear.
So formal question, why did you try to dismiss what I said from the start and why did you ignore my questions 5 times?

[zenith cobalt]

I dont actually mean it cause i dont even see the numbers.

[azure sluice]

Against the elemental bosses S1, which attack set 3-piece effect should I focus on? Executioner, gambler, or platinum knight?

[zenith cobalt]

It depends on hero bro.

Its hard to pick up whether executioner, gambler or platinum if you cant say what hero you will be using it for.

[sinful hornet]

😆

[elder swift]

So why do you say it if you don't mean it?

You didn't see what I did so how did you decide that I only test "ultimate damage" and not use enlightment gear?

I said I tested in vortex and you said I didn't

[zenith cobalt]

😂 i dont say that. Searched up bro i actually said it. Dont make up it.

[elder swift]

Yes you did

[zenith cobalt]

This one the one i said but i didnt mean it. You just make it big. You didnt even bring proof on damage difference and even didnt mentioned numbers on how much enlightment did you use. So why even bothered😂

[elder swift]

I don't make it big. You said it and ignored what I asked about it. You made it big

[zenith cobalt]

Did i say vortex you sure about that😂

[elder swift]

I didn't bring proof because you decided that I never tested it in the first place

[elder swift]

Yes

[zenith cobalt]

Then why bothered😂

[elder swift]

For other people that actually care and don't just try to insult

And actually using more enlightment instead of attack made the advantage for the eye even bigger. Why didn't you test it out?

[zenith cobalt]

Thats why i said eye > ink did you get that.

[elder swift]

No you said the exact opposite

[zenith cobalt]

Bro searched it up

[azure sluice]

My apprehension is that for Vortex I found out that gambler's true damage add so much more damage than executioner's def bypass.

[elder swift]

"Cause you need more enlightenment for him to scale up with ink. Have you tried that?" You said that

[zenith cobalt]

Lets end the topic bro. Your free to do you want to do this thread is for dragon-lineup-help not some triggered kid.

[elder swift]

Let's end you meddling with people

Do you actually care about it even or just look to make up stories and put people down?

[tall raptor]

Think a Fire/Necrosis Wild team with Felicity, Rhash, Errich, Adolphus or Zhar'loth and Horrus or a Lightning Poison Thunderbolt team with Nissa, Shai'nachtan, Tharivol, Nathaniel or Sifris and Frurbath? I'm day 5 season 2 and trying to settle on a team to use before the free character resets go away in 2 days.. My season 1 team was was basically a Fire/Poison Wild team near the end, especially for Vortex.

[fossil raft]

I have a few days left before free resets go away, looking to make the best PVE + Vortex that I can for the long grind.

[dull moth]

Hello, can anyone please, say to me what are the best set for this team ?

[zenith cobalt]

Im sure this team composition will do in your vortex temporary if you have rare selection box choose sigrid.

With this clever team formation in vortex.

[zenith cobalt]

They are fine for now. But try achieve all epic equipment later on.

[zenith cobalt]

Change usha artifact it doesnt give her any benefit from it. Give her the yoyo or the horn artifact.

[dull moth]

Yeah i was doing the venom dungeon

[zenith cobalt]

👍

[dull moth]

Oh yeah okay ! Ty

[wise prairie]

Hi all! Can somebody suggest me teams for s2 i skipped almost half of s1 due to irl stuff and now i am kinda lost....

[normal merlin]

Im newbie, can u pick me a team to build for now?

[rare parcel]

Before you get more I´d go with: Main hero, Sigrid, Dench, Heksandra, Garius

[normal merlin]

Ok thanks

[agile isle]

Hey everyone

i'm pretty new to thhis game. Is there a a way or a site to find how to make a team with the drops i had ?

[mental thunder]

you have to compare all stats not just the bonus from the artifact. eyeball gives flat attack and attack%, so does ink so that part should be equivalent. but what is your enlightenment stat? what is your attack stat? derivative damage is calculated by a % of your attack, but then it gains an additional multiplier increase based on your enlight. for derivative users on inkpot, you want minimum crit and focused completely in attack (say 5000 is your target) and rest into enlight (400-500 should be target enlight).

schaltar's main benefit is not his own damage but the damage his team does after he casts his ult...

so his stats are used to enhance this damage that his team is doing with their basic attacks also...

you see his modifier on ult is 95% of his attack is derivative damage. 20% damage increase from eyeball is so small there it is pathetic. ink pot caps at 35% more derivative, so immediately it is already better. and since his TEAM is doing that derivative damage and since you have really fast basic attacks with dauntless if they are built right, there is no comparison here between eyeball and inkpot, ink is clear winner

what the assumption being made is that your schaltar isnt built right to take advantage of ink pot and you are just seeing the +20 stats high attack from eyeball adding benefit to your derivative damage.

your ink was not +20 so already it wasnt a 1:1 comparison of attack stats alone with the same gear. so the test was bad too

max ink pot, put more enlight on your schaltar (target those stats i listed) and you'll see a big difference.

[mental thunder]

goblins: sigrid, usha, iola, rava, voresh. make usha tanky, put bracelet on her for self healing when she kills something.

for general progression: iola, sigrid, garius, vicuc, tamar

for flame and ice dungeons, tamar, iola, nathaniel, sigrid, naguk. for tempest: garius, rava, voresh, usha, catherine

[mental thunder]

#1180150041730617344 should help you get started; garius, schaltar, wellby, sigrid, lightning main character should be fine to start with

[normal merlin]

thanks

[mental thunder]

yeah like everyone else does, post your roster here and we'll help you. go read my guide first though #1180150041730617344

[wise prairie]

@mental thunder Thank you very much!

[latent isle]

Isnt it his dmg?

Like nastjenkas skill 3?

[viscid dirge]

Refrain from swearing

[mental thunder]

its his damage but it is dependent on his team's basic attack speed for how many times it procs right?

and in the scenario above, assume you have the same team, same gear and only difference is ink pot vs eyeball with ink pot being not maxed and eyeball being maxed.

and if he doesnt have enough enlight for inkpot to shine, ofc the attack from eyeball stats are going to outweigh the ink pot stats

it doesnt really matter whose damage it is in the list, it depends on your score

[agile isle]

Only epic rare legendary? Or with common?

[mental thunder]

i have no idea what you are asking

[agile isle]

The roster

[mental thunder]

post everything

preferably by element or by affinity

[mental thunder]

there is only like... 1 good common though and that is merideth

[agile isle]

like this is ok ?

[mental thunder]

yellow for general progression; blue heroes are good and you will level them eventually but not right away

red for goblins (fire main character for goblins; lightning when doing general story mode)

ichiucatl, tamar, sigrid, horrus, heksandra when you are doing ice domain; usha, quarion, fitz, ichiucatl, tamar when you do flame domain; heksandra, sigrid, fire main character, horrus, eli when doing tempest domain

[agile isle]

Thx for your help

[mental thunder]

you will get more heroes and can improve this as you go

[latent isle]

Sorry, forgot there could be children here

[viscid dirge]

All good no problem

[elder swift]

First of all I said that I got the ink to 20, did you not notice that?
I got 4354 attack and 343 enlightment, I can't go any higher with enlightment than that, and if I focus on attack I go down to like 150 enlightment. I'd like to see how you get schaltar to 5K attack and 500 enlightment. I got an enlightment chest and positive rune, attack negative, and platinum knight set with attack and enlightment on every piece.
That enlgihtment gives 171.4% bonus derivative damage, how do you know that both ink and eyeball add to it the same way?
How do you know that ink is immediately better? The 35% from ink is not calculated the same way as the 20% from the eyeball, otherwise there would be a huge difference in favour of the ink even on the ult alone.

[mental thunder]

if eyeball 20% damage is on the top of all damage being dealt by your team's basic attack derivative damage vs the derivative damage itself based on schaltar's stats getting a 35% increase, it would come down to nitpicky details which is better. we dont know if ink is multiplicative to the multiplier listed in the skill description [95*1.35 = 128.25] or if it is additive [95+35 = 130], as there would be a difference in end damage output, not a big difference but a couple %. and if it scales with your attack that 2% can add up.

[sour oriole]

Hey, I have recently started playing and have hard time deciding which part to focus on when it comes to farming. I can do level 4-5 gear farming, level 3-4 domains. Feels like im currently leveling too many heroes. Sigrid, Irina and Heksandra are maxed out with scrolls. Which rare hero should I focus now on? Thinking between Enna for Fire Domain farming and Usha in general since she is just good. These are my heroes. Thanks in advance.

[mental thunder]

read my guide first off: #1180150041730617344

[elder swift]

My guess is ink adds to the damage bonus, so it would turn that 171.4% bonus to 206.4%, with base damage that's 306.4% (after attack calculation). And the eyeball goes on top of the base damage so it would be 271.4% * 1.2 = 325.68. And then Platinum Knight on top of them either way still leaves eyeball ahead. This would make sense to explain the small edge for eyeball despite only counting for the ult's damage.
With higher attack and lower enlightment the difference between them was even smaller.
If it's not that, then it's either because of Schaltar's skills critting (which isn't supposed to happen) or because of his basic attacks critting (which doesn't make any sense for that to do so much damage).

[mental thunder]

ok so convoluted color scheme but bear with me

green is for curse. garius for heals, irina for attack down and 1 dispel, grover for 2 dispels, nimbus for damage and FROST traveler for shields since oyu dont have ichiucatl or nathaniel.

red is for venom... garius main tank, frurb right next to him up front. meggan off to the side somewhere (she will remove the defense down on garius so he doesnt get rekt round 1). sigrid and dane put straight back from garius in a row but toward the far back away from boss... this way they both target just boss with their basic attacks the whole time. aoe will only hit frurb and garius, meggan and garius keep everyone healed, easy peasy.

blue is for rot... garius main tank, enna to help relieve some debuffs with her ult, ideally removes the heal prevent debuff if you can time it but prob impossible. sigrid damage and attack down, frurb offtank and attack down, heksandra additional cleanse and heals. sigrid heal prevent with high accuracy should keep boss from healing. long fight but w/e who cares.

yellow team is for flame domain... again, enna is there to remove the burn debuff right before boss ults and you'll take minimal damage. nimbus dps, garius heals, irina debuff and offdamage, traveler you can swap to lightning mode for 5/5 affinity there, but can leave them frost for shields if you need to, you prob dont have 5/5 affinity bonuses anyway.

purple team is for other two domains, lightning and cold. frurb, dane, sigrid, heksandra and FIRE traveler = 5/5 fire/poison affinity. should be pretty easy to do both.

and finally grey team is your goblins.... dane, sigrid, irina, eli, usha. make usha tanky, put bracelet artifact on her for self heals and good to go.

that does not take care of heretical ruins or ancient battlefield for you, but when you get more heroes and legendary gear sets you'll have an easier time with those.

[sour oriole]

@mental thunder Thanks a lot! Yeah pretty much what I have been using except Eli and Nimbus. Guess I should focus now more on Goblins so i can level up faster the other heroes. Gonna invest some scrolls into Dane and Usha now since they both seem to be quite useful through entire game.

[lethal flame]

Ok...I have to ask because I feel like I'm doing something wrong and I've tried a few different mixtures or heroes.

How are people getting 20M+ on Vortex and Continent challenges?

I have a pretty good selection of heroes, but I can't seem to find that magic team.

[mental thunder]

gear.

legendary artifacts.

[onyx token]

연동

[elder swift]

Fully unlocked elemental affinity. And taking advantage of the weekly bonus. And having specific single target teams.

[lethal flame]

That's one spot I'm suffering on a bit...it annoys me you can't respect your core.

I spent points early on that don't serve me well now cause my team makeups changed as I got better heroes.

[elder swift]

3 dauntles/wild/ice blast team + tank and support

Also timing and proper gear set bonuses help a lot

[lethal flame]

My core is specced heavy fire/poison cause those were my strongest heroes early on.

Now my strongest teams tend to be Rad/Nec/Ice 🤦

Also my server is still S1

[elder swift]

Can you build a wild team for vortex?

What's the weekly bonus on your server?

[elder swift]

So you can build around that. Sigrid and Eli can do good damage there and they are rares. Time the attack debuff properly to hit just before the boss's 4 skill animation

Surviving longer is also important for vortex

[lethal flame]

Yea, I got to work on some poison heroes first unfortunately

[elder swift]

Those are good for goblins and once you can farm goblins properly it makes everything easier. I think vortex isn't much of a priority before you can regularly farm epic gear from all dungeons

[lethal flame]

On the subject of poison heroes - it seems to be that they are some of the hardest to gear for because they rely on so many stats..

Am I correct is assuming that Enlightenment affects all poison damage?

[elder swift]

Yes and no, because the game decided to have "Poison" mean two completely different things.

It increases the damage of the poison debuff, but not of poison type heroes.

[lethal flame]

So that begs the question of the DPS should be straight atk/crit/crit DMG or attempt to increase Enlight to up the DoT?

[elder swift]

Depends who it is

[mental thunder]

poison itself caps out

[elder swift]

Eli benefits from enlightenment because of his passive, but going just attack/crit on him also works I think, especially if nobody else is there applying poison. Sigrid doesn't use Enl. And the damage of the debuff itse'f isn't really that high

[mental thunder]

if your attack is 4000, it is 1200 capped for basic poison damage per stack per tick

yeah and eli applies only 1 stack of poison so at best he's doing 1200 damage there per tick and then his passive:

[lethal flame]

Hmm 🤔

[mental thunder]

so that 40% is going to only give 1 stack derivative damage proc

so building eli high enlight is really not doing good damage; better to go crit on him so his ults crits and have high attack and damage

a little enlight from subs on gear is fine, not going ot hurt but certainly shouldnt hve enlight main body and positive rune....

attack% main body and flat attack rune

[elder swift]

Also you need someone else to apply poison for him because you're not going to build accuracy on him

[mental thunder]

unless you using him to apply defense down

because multi hit ult

frurb + eli + corrin + lothair/durango for instance is a good team but the big damage is the lego derivative

it isnt eli

[lethal flame]

I don't have Lothair unfortunately - I do have Vicana, Twitch, and Durango though

[elder swift]

Then why not use them for vortex?

[lethal flame]

Not leveled, scrolled, or geared right now - I picked them up recently 🤣

[solar inlet]

i dont have Iola but looks like a very f2p friendly lightning team

[lethal flame]

Hmm, interesting - I'll check it out - thanks

[solar inlet]

common among all the lineups im seeing is nimbus and Iola

Iola can maybe replace with Shook

[elder swift]

Iola is good because of her multi hit ult for the attack down debuff and crown/witch

[solar inlet]

ya but if you dont have her not much you can do

Shook also applies atk down 2 and can hold witches

[elder swift]

You could use Irina instead, just less reliable debuffs

[obsidian phoenix]

Irina is not as good, but alright as a replacement.

[elder swift]

well, with perfect luck Irina is better 😄

[solar inlet]

think i need to get shook, vani and nimbus to 100 today so I can do it

[elder swift]

Shook isn't actually better because his ult also hits only once

[solar inlet]

is irina multi-hit?

[elder swift]

no

[solar inlet]

so shook is also recharge penalty which keeps boss stacks lower

well slows them from accumulating

[elder swift]

Isn't the vortex boss immune to it?

[solar inlet]

this is world boss lightning

but they might be immune also i need to check

[elder swift]

He was asking about Vortex and also still in season 1

[solar inlet]

i wasnt replying to anyone just posting a f2p friendly lighting S2 team

[elder swift]

ah ok

[solar inlet]

ya world boss isnt immune so shook is better

[tight glen]

(S1)Just got lucky with horn and pulled Sagomir (not in the pic). Is there any good team I can build with him + Tharivol + Traveler + ? + ? or are they bad and I should just stick to the fire/poison /Frost/necro teams?

[mental thunder]

traveler stinks. and you are missing radiance or lightning tanks to use, so cant really make that team work unless you make sagomir your tank. which he can do, but it isnt ideal

sagomir tank, quarion, tharivol..... but then you are missing more dauntless heroes to make tharivol good. schaltar, nimbus

not really an ideal team til you have more units

for now you can build sagomir, tharivol, quarion, enna, irina and it isnt too bad to be honest. just not ideal

oh you do have lightning tank volthug!

nvm! your sorting is just trash so i didnt see him hidden up top...

volthug = tank, sagomir debuffer and holds your defense down artifact.... quarion heals, irina strip/additional attack down debuff and decent dps... tharivol main dps.

if oyu need more healing, can swap in enna for irina

but that should do well enough.

[tight glen]

Alright thanks for the help! I'll go with Volthug, Sagomir, Quarion, Irina & Tharivol! Btw, why isn't Sagomir an ideal tank? Taunt, Defence up, debuff immunity

[tight glen]

Also, why do travel stink? I see people using him in most teams (recommended setups)

[mental thunder]

lol?

dude who is recommending that and for what content?

he's a freebie unit that is mid at best with some unique kits like the aoe stun or the shield based on attack... but otherwise he's mediocre in every way, and season 2 you wont even xp him

[tight glen]

Whenever a check a dungeon "Lineup rec", almost all teams use him

[mental thunder]

sounds like you have a f2p server then lol

[tight glen]

Might be the case! But you seem to know what you're talking about, so i'll go with what you're saying.
But, why isn't Sagomir an ideal tank?

[mental thunder]

sagomir is a 2x hit debuffer and a bruiser offdps; his damage is health based. nothing he does scales on defense, which is what most tanks want. against single targets he can tank fine sure, like boss battles... but when there are multiple targets, he will move around the battlefield as a "jumper" we call them, because they target specific units based on their stats. in his case he goes after the unit with the highest attack... which is unique for a jumper, they usually go after those with lowest base HP or lowest current HP.

so against multiple enemies he isnt really a tank he is weird

but against bosses he can tank fine; he just would have to be built focusing on defense in that case and accuracy after that

for pvp you build him accuracy, attack, hp

so it is just a different build for his use

[tight glen]

Alright, I think I understand better. Last question and i'll let you rest. If I use him as main tank on bosses, who would best replace Volthug?

[mental thunder]

volthug you'd build high defense, high accuracy and as much hp and resist after that; sagomir you build accuracy first and then build him for attack, crit, hp; use them together and you will have pretty good attack down II uptime on targets + sagomir can hold defense down artifact for you

then you bring a healer like quarion for defense up II and heals

that leaves you with room for 2x damage units

now if you pulled say... schaltar and nimbus epics for dauntless i would change that team.

i'd go with volthug main tank, quarion heals, nimbus on accuracy setup and hold defense down artifact, tharivol main damage and schaltar derivative damage

or i suppose you could use sagomir instead of volthug in that same team but you'd have to gear him defense > accuracy > hp

but sagomir only going to work on single targets as a tank like vortex

[regal mist]

Good day everyone, can someone suggest me team I should focus on as beginner

[mental thunder]

check out my guide #1180150041730617344

voresh, sigrid, horrus, zharloth, enna/fire traveler and you already have a decent team started

obviously for fire domain you'd need non fire/poison heroes and etc for other domains, but you can do tier 3 of them with whatever and then it gets harder anyway... by then you'll have more heroes.

[modern vigil]

Hey guys. Possible to make 2 decent teams for dragon with it? + main character in frost spec

[ebon thistle]

@mental thunder , one thing I can't figure out is the order of progression to be most effective. For instance, I have two different teams essentially between lvl 70-85. One is fire/necro, other is poison/light. About half the gear on them is some type of epic (not best stats), but other half just rare (better stat options).
I can only beat the tempest or flame dungeons on 3 (lvl 70). I can do Venom on 4, IIRC. Goblins I can barely beat II's highest tier.

Question, do I keep farming goblins until my two teams are all 90? Do I farm Venom 4 until everyone is in full epic sets? Or do I farm tempest/flame on level 3 to be able to get crystals for advancing?

I feel my leapfrog strategy is slowing down too much at this point. Thanks in advance!

[mental thunder]

vinyara, voresh, rava, rowena, gladros........... gladros incense, voresh defense down, rava candlestick, rowena damage, vinyara candlestick
irma, meggan, olgan, usha, deverick............. deverick defense down arti, usha damage, irma incense, meggan can go heal book

will definitely consistently remove stacks but you lack cleanse and heals.... hopefully score well and potentially last 8 minutes

[modern vigil]

thanks a lot!

not all epics are with scrolls, does it matter?

[mental thunder]

nah i used rowena without for my dragon team and was fine

[mental thunder]

i wouldnt be farming people 90 unlock on tier 3 domains at all... that's a massive loss of bread. farm goblins to get them 90... but i'd be farming goblin 2-5 for that not anything lower or again you are wasting bread farming lower tier rewards

farm curse a little to get your tank in green defense % hands and body gear and 4 pieces of green gear that match.... then go back to venom and try and push to venom 5 or 6.

faster farming = saving bread and being more efficient

dont just grind out low tier crap to get where you want to end up

[modern vigil]

@mental thunder btw is usha good as solo frost? no need to have a support for her?

[ebon thistle]

Ok, so push to 90, green gear for tank, and try then for higher venom. I will follow that advice. Yeah, I feel like I got stuck in a crystal farming loop for too long.

[mental thunder]

she needs rava, dork or olgan

oglan is the best and since you dont need to worry about survival because you have irma and meggan there with deverick debuffing, olgan works

[modern vigil]

ah ok, so olgan

[wheat jetty]

hi quick question: which is the best rally combo of following chars:

[hollow elbow]

the problem u need a tank and one healer, and 3 with encourage

[wheat jetty]

would pair them with garius and quarion for errich world boss

[hollow elbow]

the 3 u have at 31 are good, just need lvl up

[wheat jetty]

thx 🙂 needed a confirmation for my thoughts 🙂

[hollow elbow]

Yea, and carfull how u put their tempo of skills, or if u do manual better

[wheat jetty]

which needs to go first?

wellby?

[mental thunder]

If wellby is on your defense down artifact then he will ult more often for more uptime of the debuff; Tathlyn also has a multi hit ult though and does less potential damage… i would consider Tathlyn or wellby but make sure which is going to be more effective

[elder swift]

Who should I build here for rally against radiance shadow boss (Janthalea, in S1)?

[civic moon]

Do I have an 8million level 2 Temp Vortex team here

[broken coral]

i'm thinking about investing into Dane skills - mostly cause i want his debuff removal 100% chance and lower cooldown
but i have my doubts - would it be a waste and would it be btter to just build Grover from scratch for that task? I have grave of curse in mind in that particular moment

[elder swift]

I think you can use just grover with no scrolls just fine, just give him enough accuracy

[broken coral]

ok, i wont invest into dane then ;d thanks

[whole basin]

Need help with a good adventure team...😕

[raven portal]

horrus sigrid heksandra durango as core , meggan for dungeons like venom otherwhise get main character(fire ) in there for 5 man affinity

for goblin change heksandra with eli

[wet jolt]

S2 but just got Thia, how do I build her? Just bulk with enlightenment for her heals - or do I try some acc for her heal block (doesn't seem overly useful - Sigrid other debuffers) - or build with dps (crit glove)?

[balmy spoke]

S1, what frost team did y’all use for bionphray? I can’t imagine doing it without auster or hvitar or other ranged dps

[plush marsh]

hello i am new this is what i have as a lineup is it good ?

[zenith cobalt]

Ive run with Hochadir with epic hero (rowena and dorkuraz)

[zenith cobalt]

Id go with 2 man (durango + dench ) poison team, horrus for that main tank, heksandra for the heal or if you dont like to use her cause she is rare you can use that epic blind fold girl healer at the bottom, and sigrid for the main dps.

Replace dench for other poison hero id recommend epic if dont have leggo poison.

[azure sluice]

Later you would need someone that can dispel 2 debuff for Ancient Battlefield, so keep Dane in mind for the higher level.

[zenith cobalt]

Either of these two replacement for dench in the future

[azure sluice]

I used her for debuff immunity. Also important in arena since she applied them 4s earlier than most debuffer, so Sigrid won't kill your team. Be careful against team with Dane

[zenith cobalt]

Id drop horrus also if you got frurbath.

[normal merlin]

can u please help me with the lineup? I also have epic chest.

[twin crypt]

me over here with only epic and rares 😦

[zenith cobalt]

Garius, wellby, quarion, for your epic chest pick hegio for thr wellby+hegio rally combo i love this duo. Lastly for the last member if you have rare selection chest pick irina for that remove buff + attack down utility.

Still you can decide. Your poison/fire team is good also

[queen cape]

С

[zenith cobalt]

I love making 5 affinity team early game cause it will form a proper element team. Unlike you mixed and match team formation.

[normal merlin]

Ok thanks

[azure sluice]

Pick Tathlyn from chest. He's the best rally applier below Legend, while Hegio is better DPS but can put them in non rally ally. You already have Martina for 2nd rally dps. Hegio is much better in arena though.

[tribal steppe]

👍

[normal merlin]

Ok thanks, at first i was think of getting voresh from epic chest and try to run Garius, vorush, mc(fire), Horus, sigrid

[azure sluice]

Voresh is good as well, just that you won't have 5 man affinity. You also have good dauntless in Schaltar, just not the payoff like Shragnol.

[azure sluice]

You just don't have that many utilities heroes for all dungeon lol. Maybe you can even save the chest for later once you pulled enough heroes so you know where your weak point.

[normal merlin]

Ok thanks I’ll do that

[opaque coral]

So I'm still new and still havent gotten to the point where I need to build a 2nd+ team.

As far as content goes in the future... what kind of "elemental" coverage do you need? Do you need a lightning+radiant, necro+ice, and fire+poison team? Or can you just build w/e?

[carmine vigil]

Hi, i am still confuse with my lineup, is it good enough for my current lvl (24) and keep on grinding or may be i should start over?

[lusty flume]

What is the best gear for those heroes ?

[latent isle]

Platnium knight for filto

3 ears for loren

[jovial remnant]

👍

Good

[zenith cobalt]

Switch brody to adolphos,
Then if needed shield remover switch horrus for brody.

[zenith cobalt]

All of the above you will need to create a team for this following game mods: you need to build each elemental team with each element for pillars , endgame undead dragon event that needed 6 teams to fight, and event boss chieftain event some bosses are weak for the specific element you need at least all element to build depending of the boss chieftain your fighting.

[spring acorn]

what should I pick on rare hero selection, and what team should I focus on and build?

[mental thunder]

#1180150041730617344 should help guide you

Also reset noteera, alvis, forbrit, gulal and the lightning gnome girl. Get the xp back to use on good heroes

Felicity, fire traveler, horrus, heksandra… and use the rare selector to get sigrid and use her

[zenith cobalt]

Id pick for my starting line up: Felicity, Horrus, Heksandra, Traveller (Fire), pick hero chest: Bronwyn hes a wild rare hero perfect for felicity to get wild check.

In later if you got sigrid switch fire traveller for her.

[mental thunder]

wait what? why wouldnt he grab sigrid and use her immediately for goblin efficiency and progression? he already has usha, there is no other rare that matters.... bronwyn is instantly replaceable by errich, and if he gets tonalnan, easily 3 wild team there... bronwyn wasted xp and fire gems investment. easily sigrid lasts forever, instant scroll and plug and play in all content.

especially for pvp and an easy source of attack down 2...

[zenith cobalt]

I see, id agree. If we look in the future that will probably will looks like. Bro @spring acorn you should listen to @mental thunder

[mental thunder]

felicity single target, sigrid has potential to carry with aoe...

[latent isle]

Dont forget antiheal

[mental thunder]

right, it helps in rot dungeon also, and tempest domain

[zenith cobalt]

👍

[mental thunder]

super lucky he got felicity though, i love her kit.

[zenith cobalt]

Yeah beginners luck

[mental thunder]

one of my fav heroes i have, and she can be good solo really. i'm using her by herself in s2 pillars with a bunch of debuffers and tank and she basically oneshots everyone one at a time lol

defense down lands, i manually ult that target bye bye

her self push is so nasty good

at least later on when you can guarantee her crits with gear

[zenith cobalt]

I also pulled out like that 1 leggo first 5 heliotes dice. In my sub account. Bro and pulled the mushroom guy with unsignificant role in a team.

[latent isle]

Multiplier is crazy good too

[latent isle]

Ever fought agaisnt shroom in pvp?

Hes godlike in pvp defense

[zenith cobalt]

Hes less usefull. people are also less him to get build.

There are too many alternatives for him.

[mental thunder]

my 3 pvp tanks are ergander, garius and horrus. i like my 3 defenses too

[zenith cobalt]

Do you agree too bro mushroom guy is not that great.

Durango vs him id pick durango

[mental thunder]

horrus + adolphus + caraman + questa + meggan
ergander, acilia (speed set), voresh, sigrid, lothair
garius, thelendor, sagomir, iola, shagrol

[latent isle]

Im running ergander,khrysos, frur, isolde, talw

All high resist

[mental thunder]

the issue with poison derivative damage is they are extremely gear hungry for stats... lothair and durango are amazing heroes, top tier... but you cant even use them until you have good legendary gear that puts their stats where they need to be

[latent isle]

I get beaten once or twice a week, 99% ppl timeout

[mental thunder]

stall teams are boring

need to have legit teams in team arena, cant use a stall x3

and i'm pretty sure i'd destroy that team 😛

[green pecan]

Need help on vortex line up

[mental thunder]

you have gatekeeper staff?

@green pecan

[green pecan]

I don't

[mental thunder]

beags, karf, araces, isolde, adolphus is a good team

[green pecan]

No leggo artefacts

[mental thunder]

you are missing 1 epic ice blast to have a great IB team

[zenith cobalt]

This derivative damage is really hungry stats. You need to raise up enlightenment, attack and sometimes scales up on different stats like HP, and Defense. And you ned to set them in order so they can survive. Some of these heroes needs accuracy, haste, critical rate (proc) adding more stats in your list.

[green pecan]

Yeah i know lol. I have hvitar in vortex as she's booked

[latent isle]

Dont think so, youd have attck down and your buffs dispelled whole time. Ergander gives def aura on top of 4k all the tanks have

[zenith cobalt]

What is stall team bro?

[latent isle]

Jumpers/dps get confused by mooshrooms taunt

[latent isle]

You timeout your opponent

[zenith cobalt]

Okay thanks bro.

Yeah many times encountered stall teams.xD

[mental thunder]

zhorak, bleddyn, garius, voresh, lorentheel could do some work; when you get a third IB, put them in for lorentheel (gerthin or other lego, shinnah or beldelle)

voresh your crown of unclean holder obviously, loren there to give attack up basically

[green pecan]

Was just about to ask what lorentheel would bring

[mental thunder]

just time garius ult before the single target hit on him so he cleanse the defense down; voresh offheals

[green pecan]

So no need for att down?

[mental thunder]

well yeah you need attack down but who you gonna use lol

[green pecan]

Also true lol

[mental thunder]

pargu?

you could go frurb there instead of loren potentially

[green pecan]

I thought lor is att up to rally allies only

[mental thunder]

for 3/5 affinity early on

[latent isle]

Rally and phat attk buff

[mental thunder]

you are right it is for rally only

so yeah loren pointless. just go frurb early on unless you want to level pargu (vomit)

[green pecan]

Right now i use garius, furbath, hvitar, zgorak and bledyn

Can get 10m on 3rd milestone

[hot narwhal]

Hello all. What would my best fire/necrosis team be?

[mental thunder]

voresh offheals too remember

[green pecan]

That passive is only multiple ads though?

[mental thunder]

i dont think hvitar adding a ton of value there as lone frost hero; her ult is single hit so not great for defense down artifact

no voresh heals per hit of anything he does

has a chance to that is, but its significant

[green pecan]

Oh ok. With hvitar i just have her on there for dps bc booked and was using in general content

[mental thunder]

shitttt i just read his passive again to make sure

and you are right again lol. needs multiple targets. so voresh only there for defense down

[green pecan]

I put the crown on furbath

[latent isle]

Crown on frur is not great ngl. U need multihits

[green pecan]

Just to land att down and he is in tune with my dps

[latent isle]

Crown has what, 60%?

[green pecan]

Yeah i know lol but choices are limited

[latent isle]

I feel hvitar is only good in pvp

[green pecan]

Yeah she annihilates. I have a lot of rss to build champs but waiting to see what happens with ardeth event in 2 days

I have barely farmed dungeons so gear is limited.. waiting for when the drop rate increases after 30 days

[latent isle]

Hvitar with cards artifact is op af

You can run 350 crit dmg and 5k attk to oneshot all teams under eagle

Voresh with 250 acc + witches

But thats out of topic

[mental thunder]

for.... what? vortex? chiefs?

pillar?

[green pecan]

I'm saving for cards this season

[mental thunder]

ghul, isolde, adolphus, errich, felicity is what i'd run for pillar

[green pecan]

beags, karf, araces, isolde, adolphus is a good team i might try out this team in future

I'll be needing multiple teams soon anyway

[mental thunder]

yes it is good, but if you already have scrolled heroes from s1 i'd be using them

[green pecan]

All the epics are booked

[hot narwhal]

S2 just started in my server so thinking about my second team to start working on for eventual other content.

[mental thunder]

i'd say that team carries through pillar 20 pretty well; i dont know what else you have to use for things like fey, vortex, etc. so idk what to recommend

[hot narwhal]

Thanks. My first team I’m running for general content is Garius, Phaessa, Dork, Rava, Hvitar. I don’t have any poison/light legendaries besides Ergander. Which is why I’m thinking fire/necro for now. I know my first team isn’t going to be great for Vortex, but not sure I really have any better options for now.

[mental thunder]

i think wild is a sure bet tbh, great for vortex damage

that frost/garius team with phaessa looks like a carry in fey and story content and pvp

so you should be good with wild + them as your initial 2 teams in s2

[azure sluice]

I have Errich, Felicity, all the rares, but none of the Wild epics. Do I have enough to build vortex wild team?

[hot narwhal]

Yeah, I’ve had no issues at all so far. I wish I had Tonalnan to unlock my full wild potential, but no luck unfortunately in S1.

[trim thunder]

Can u pls help me to create a good line up for Vortex?

[mental thunder]

yeah you can; frurb/isolde + adolphus + felicity/errich and then just bring either thea with accuracy setup to hold defense down artifact or bring both tanks for more heals and attack down uptime rotation

[trim thunder]

Wild in vortex in season 1 is nice but season 2 time waste

[mental thunder]

sagomir, phaessa, garius, zhorak, bleddyn?

or rose instead of sag if you want, either way

[cyan cairn]

@trim thunder probably garius, phaessa, lorentheel, philto, Welby/tathlyn

[trim thunder]

I think gillian is necessary for survivability

[latent isle]

Yes

[mental thunder]

hesitant to suggest leveling seidic for a third IB in that team; phaessa will carry the survivability with attack down

but if you want gillian over phaessa sure

either way i'd still use zhorak, bleddyn, sag/rose, garius + gillian/phaessa

[cyan cairn]

You need another Ice crystal provider if your using Zhorak with bleddyn. His rally setup probably better

[mental thunder]

i mean he does have philto + lorentheel so ...

philto, loren, welby, garius, gillian and make wellby hold defense down, ignore attack down?

[azure sluice]

Still don't have Frur. How many acc do I need for Isolde attack down? I have been going far with my Radiant-lightning team (Acilia, Ihuicatl, Irina, Garius, Sutha) but I'm stuck at 12M at vortex4.

[mental thunder]

vortex IV you need like 200-250 accuracy, and you get 50 from affinity

[cyan cairn]

Probably atleast till ardreth then between her and phaessa your gonna be golden.

[cyan cairn]

Isn't it 280 total so you'd need 230 from gear at V4?

[mental thunder]

somethign like that, i usually just build out 250 and forget accuracy from affinity bonus 🙂

[red cosmos]

With my limited roster, I've been enjoying this lineup, but occasionally I do miss having a real tanky character... Suggestions?

They are all almost 90 now

[mental thunder]

you kind of need a tank here; if you dont have garius or volthug, you could try clovis, duling or even berrik

even sallyanne may help improve your score as a tank
check out my guide: #1180150041730617344

[latent isle]

Berrik 100%. Dude has self heal, dmg migitation 30%, defense up, attk down and 60% to negate 50% dmg recieved

I still use him even now

[azure sluice]

Is volthug even a good healer?

I tried him in my Errich team but feels underwhelmed

[latent isle]

Volthug is a tank, no?

[mental thunder]

he's a tank not a healer... you need a tank. in season 1, berrik is probably going to be your best bet since he is rare so is easier to scroll. you can time his attack down and irina's so that they do not overlap and ensure maximum uptime of the debuff on the boss so your team survives longer.

and with your errich team? errich is fire, volthug is lightning... they wouldnt go together affinity wise anyway. you should prob go read my guide #1180150041730617344 to help you get some more info early game

[raw merlin]

Hi

[torpid aurora]

Hello

[azure sluice]

Yeah tank my bad. I'm using him as the tank in Chaos Shadow team against Errich

I'm using Tamar - Sutha - Volthug - Irina - Quarion (my only available healer). How do I prolong the team survivability? I don't have the scroll for him

[mental thunder]

ah ok misunderstanding then. i didnt realize you werent the person who posted that screenshot and were following up just asking if volthug was good. i mean he's ok? what else you got if you are using him though right lol

[ebon thistle]

Ooh, just rolled a few helio and landed Alton and Catherine. Wondering if I should consider leveling up a radiant team, and if so, what 5??

[mental thunder]

alton, quarion, clovis, wellby, hegio

catherine only useful if you need the immunity from debuffs, which is important but specific

[ebon thistle]

I was thinking she can come in handy for key dungeons for sure, maybe on mixed teams.

Thanks for the input. I didn't want to be blindly leveling up all the rally troops to experiment. Figured there were known combos 🙂

[modern vigil]

Trying to make rally team for dragon. It gonna be my best team as I think. 3 slots are for first 3 legendaries. What about last two slots? Not sure Acilia can solo heal it. Also is attack down necessary? I want Hegio here a lot and probably last slot for sustain. What can you suggest?

[broken coral]

Looking for advise who to pick up as a dps character, felicity/errich? maybe someone else is better? I'm not too experienced - season 2

[jovial sonnet]

Any tips on using Malak

[mental thunder]

philto, lorentheel, acilia.... iola, wellby

[modern vigil]

is wellby better than hegio? are u sure acilia can solo here?

[mental thunder]

oh yeah, wellby going to be lit with loren there

acilia can but going to be a matter of stats.

if you arent confident she can solo heal and tank the big hits, then you slap garius over wellby

or ditch iola and attack down and go wellby as defense down artifact with acc build

[jovial sonnet]

Maybe Nathaniel and wellby for more survivability

Shields are always useful to have 😸

[mental thunder]

surprising you arent using rally if you have lorentheel and garius.... wellby + hegio would be pretty decent damage. errich + felicity + tonalnan is a good team but i dont see tonal, and people say s2 avoid wild.... which makes me sad lol

[modern vigil]

yea true...thats why it's hard for me to choose

i need to get as much damage as possible from this team

[broken coral]

why avoid it? wild 😛 I have no clue how rally team works, so far been trying to build universal heroes that helps me in multiple content, but i came to the point where i feel that i need dps character, but i dont have too many stamina to bump so i need to be picky, building whole Light team would consume everything i have 🤔

[mental thunder]

yeah but when you have a next level damage team you can kind of yolo it. nathaniel shields are lackluster, though his shields and healing will help.... you can try that if you dont want garius but i suggest if you going for a balanced team you ignore the shields and go acilia + garius... make garius your single target damage hit and acilia just times ult to cleanse after the DB goes up each turn. if you have horn artifact, acilia holds that for you. if oyu have gatekeepers, garius holds that... otherwise scarab. with the cleanse and healing you prob dont need the shields and can just go with attack/defense down from iola or wellby with defense down arti

[mental thunder]

welcome to endgame dragonheir, where you eventually need 6+ full teams anyway

[jovial sonnet]

It’s S1 yeah

[broken coral]

i won't make it hehe, is season like month or will be longer?

[jovial sonnet]

3 months

[broken coral]

3 months left? oh so i will make it probabely hehe

i'm bit late tho, started week ago

[jovial sonnet]

It depends on the servers

[mental thunder]

3 months total per season then just your levels reset but you keep everything else

[broken coral]

yea i've played season 1, but not to the end

know the seasonal mechanics, i just dont have experience in end game

so like deciding what hero to take, that will benefit me most atm is hard for me, and despite seeing many guides it gets confusing - a lot to comprehend at once 😄

[modern vigil]

@mental thunder what art should i take for acilia if she is solo sustain? luminary order? mirror doesn't look good as i think

[jovial sonnet]

Manage to get top 40 with $100 bucks in S1. Not sure if that’s good. Just grinding now in S2… terrible luck with S2 heroes but rolled pretty all the epics

[mental thunder]

as much enlight as you can.

[modern vigil]

uhmm...? 🙂

[mental thunder]

issue is if she is solo sustain AND tank you need to focus defense first on body, hands and both runes... which means her enlight not going to be very big

that's not a tank artifact, she'll be missing 60% defense if oyu make her sustain and tank

either use her as support or use her as tank, i wouldnt do both without legendary artifacts.

[modern vigil]

but do we really need a tank for dragon? i heard it has only aoe attacks 🤔

[jovial sonnet]

If u have the spear and scarab between Garius and acila should be sufficient

[mental thunder]

you didnt say this was for dragon, i assumed it was for vortex or some other boss

[jovial sonnet]

Endgame?

[modern vigil]

wait...i told it in my 1st message 🙂

[mental thunder]

missed it then lol

[jovial sonnet]

Shields are highly recommended

For endgame

But if u have spear on garius, should do the trick

[mental thunder]

in that case nathaniel prob not a bad bet there, and you give him candlestick; acilia on enlighten cube for more heals, loren on incense

[modern vigil]

so last slot for dd is still wellby?

[mental thunder]

then it is philto + iola/wellby... if you arent surviving til 8 minutes with wellby, go iola instead

[jovial sonnet]

Wellby should do it. U only need 23M DMG on average to get 140

Unless you’re hitting top positions, just experiment. Martina does good DMG too if you can keep her alive

Do u have em scrolled?

[modern vigil]

As i told earlier it's my best legendaries and best team. So i want to get as much damage as possible with it 🙂

[jovial sonnet]

Ah okay, keep them alive.

[modern vigil]

Loren and Philto scrolled

acilia too

[jovial sonnet]

Maybe just garius with spear and wellby will do the trick.

[agile isle]

is that normal to be stuck in history ?

i have trouble with self destruction creatures

[mental thunder]

stuck in history? are you from the quantum leap show? 😛

[agile isle]

i change language and tell you

[mental thunder]

and you are probably talking about those little poison monsters that explode when they get to your back row targets or the necrosis elementals that immediately use their ults to hit the furthest away person and then recharge and keep doing that. in either case you need to bait them with the tankiest units positioned so they hit only those so they survive and/or use stuns or taunts to delay their abilities while you kill them.

[agile isle]

defeat the sylvan venom

to explore the forest of spirits but i see they more than 50 and my champ are suck at 50 maybe i need farm before

[mental thunder]

well that's always going to help; level, gear, positioning, hero team synergy, affinity are the ways to success

[agile isle]

ok i'll do it

[chrome shale]

Hi! Any recommendations of which heroes I should choose to rebuild my team? I'm planning to reset some.

[civic moon]

Hi all. Curse level 8, watched a guide and I dont have Gerana for defence aura so what changes can I make to this team to help me finish?

I aim for 3000 damage, and 200 accurancy on heroes who debuff

[keen marsh]

sigrid/heks/horrus/mc(fire) + whoever

[carmine shard]

I am noticing that most teams are not using 5 star elemental affinity….is this normal?

[keen marsh]

shoudl always aim for 5 affin

[carmine shard]

Ok, at least I am doing that right, in the arena I am wiping out people much higher level cause a lot do not build teams that way

[keen marsh]

arena is not a good metric to use

[carmine shard]

Interesting, how so?

[chrome shale]

@keen marsh thanks so much I appreciate it!!

[mental thunder]

what in the sam hill is that team.... first off, gerana sounds like a smart play but you can just use grover. he's also a lightning rare but he dispels 2 buffs with his ult. literally just time his ult right before boss ults and voila you dispel both. irina is just there for same timing ult for attack down and as an insurance dispel. then you need shields, which you are covering with ice traveler, ok... but what is journ doing for you? just there for the defense bonus II and battle skill attack down and extra dispels? and what is adrie doing, she is just ult reduction right? i feel like you are monkeying with the ult gauge of the boss too much there which jacks up timings.

i'd go for more damage over adrie at minimum. rest of the team i guess the synergy with the skills makes sense, but you literally just need to time all their ults for right before boss ults, heals for right after, rinse repeat on a timer. slow fight but easy enough if you have the timings down. definitely are lacking damage on this team. and unless you are trying to go for mixed element team on purpose, i dont see why you'd go with 0 affinity bonus.

just some mrow thoughts

[keen marsh]

the offence controls every interaction and pvp is nearly entirely a statcheck and a competition of haste stacking on specific units

[carmine shard]

Ok that makes sense

Thanks RingMaster

[chrome shale]

@keen marsh as far as my "+ whoever" goes, does the element matter? Do they need to be poison or fire etc?

[keen marsh]

a fire/pois is best for 5affin later, but i doubt it matters atm

[civic moon]

Tbh I went off StewGaming's video. Level 8 all rares, then tried to find the right upgrades who do similar things. Adrie is there so I can get all my ults in before the boss ults but yes I am lacking DPS which is annoying

[mental thunder]

i think he was trying to clear a challenge though; "low rarity" team and then a no affinity team

these

it is the race where you complete it with those constraints and then try the fastest time for ranking reward

you 100% do not have to do nonsense strats with all rares you build just for this purpose; he's just showing how you CAN do it without a bunch of legos

[civic moon]

Yeah I just took his base if you like and then upgraded from that

I'm going to upgrade grover now then try and maybe replace Adria with perhaps Sigrid?

[mental thunder]

yeah that might be fine for more attack down uptime

just make sure they are all like 40k hp so they dont die from that big hit; with that team you essentially guarantee no buffs and attack down at the end of his skill bar so will tank it out easy and minimal shield

issue is just going to be damage; as long as journ and sigrid can do decent damage you should be ok

[civic moon]

Grover or Gerana as I just rolled her lol!

[narrow silo]

Hello

[mental thunder]

gerana does give you the defense buff which is nice... but you need to make her fast attack speed to dispel. but ofc you have journ and irina as failsafes....... just need to be careful with timings. i never built gerana, but grover i did and 0 scrolls and was fine

for instance you could use grover in ancient battlefield for strips but you cant use gerana there

because you avoid buffs in there...... which makes her single use only in curse and that's kinda cringe to spend bread and scrolls building

[formal yoke]

Help me - what Rare/Epic heroes are ALWAYS worthy of raising to 100 and which are NEVER. I know there are lots of choices, but I'd love a list. This is coming up because recently I obtained Gumm and Liko and they both are rated highly with the in-game ratings (higher than most) but I've been hearing that I shouldn't put resources into either of them. I'm F2P if that makes a difference

[mental thunder]

couple lessons to learn here: 1) never believe other players' ratings in game or on tier lists and websites. people are stupid. you will be led astray by untrusted rando morons. 2) i tend to not tell people blanket statements of "here are all the good units" because in dragonheir, you can mix and match based on what YOU have in order to accomplish a goal that involves team skill synergy, affinity, etc. if you post a list of what you have, i can mark it up with ones i recommend you to build and give you reasonings why; but i'm not going to post an entire snapshot of the gallery and say "these are the good ones" because you may never get half of them as a f2p and then i wasted my time

[formal yoke]

Thanks @mental thunder I'll type below...

Epics and Rares I've already invested in to 100 or closing in on: Errich, Adolphus, Voresh, Zhar'loth, Frubath, Sigrid, Usha, Iola, Horace, Fitz, Horrus, Sagomir (my 2nd legendary), Nathaniel, Heksandra (all 90+).

Others I've put resources in: Eli (85), Gumm (77), Shagrol (71), Theodore (62), Meggan (49), Gitouna (48), Enna (48), Dorkuraz (33), Liko (18).

Other Epics I haven't touched: Follie, Caroman, Lethander, Gardrus, Rava, Thia, Estella, Deverick, Martina, Nessa, Tathlyn, Alvis, Naguk, Corrin, Gareth, Garian.

Assume I have all the rares (I'm close)

@mental thunder Thanks for whatever feedback you can provide. Everyone, feel free to jump in.

[latent isle]

I mean, u maxed mostly the good ones

And u left out the less useable

[mental thunder]

caraman can stay at level 1 forever and eventually scroll him for use in pvp only. he's fantastic but you wont level him at all for pve. rava is better than dorkruz imo, at least for pve... so if you have not scrolled dork yet, i would invest in rava. dork isnt that high level that you have to regret the small amount of xp he has. thia, deverick are excellent. you dont really need the other epics unless you have a team to build around them... part of the reason i was asking for screenshots of everything you had so i could build you potential teams to justify investment. for instance, martina might be good... tathlyn might be good... if you have wellby rare, that is a 3/5 team that just needs a tank (berrik can work) and a healer (quarion) 🤷‍♂️

[formal yoke]

I just want to maximize my resources as a F2P and not spend on soemthing that doesn't make sense. That's the feedback I'm looking for.

Right now my main team is Voresh/Zharloth, Frubath, Sigrid, Adolphus - I use them for mostly everything.

I use Fitz for the Curse of Rot, and I use Usha and Iola for Goblins instead of Frubath and Adolphus

I put resources into some players like Nathanial just to have a viable affinity team for PIllar

But that may have been a mistake. I keep reading that Gitouna is good but I don't undestand Rally - it almost looks like you need to have a full Rally team to take advantage of the skills when they all get bonuses for the rally itself.

[mental thunder]

gitouna is poop, so i would avoid reading info from the sources you were using prior and stick to asking questions here in discord where several knowledgeable players can weigh in real time instead 🙂

[formal yoke]

do you still need pics?

[mental thunder]

and yeah rally is prob the hardest for a f2p to put together. you need an enabler (2 best ones are legendaries... lorentheel and alton... the only good one outside of that is really tathlyn, the epic... alvis is OKAY but he needs scrolls and he isnt perfect even scrolled so i wouldnt bother.)

nah no pics necessary 🙂 i think you are good to go mostly; if you need a team for a specific dungeon we can revisit your roster

easiest way to show it is this little helmet here in your hero roster

clicking that opens the filter and you can arrange them by affinity or by individual elements

so if you ever have to do that in the future, example would be like this:

no i can see most of the heroes i have in that affinity (i could keep scrolling down to see more rares but who cares)

these are my starred units; i have others that are epics or rares that are below these.

[formal yoke]

Great, thx

[mental thunder]

🍻

[spring wren]

Any1 know which rare is best for wild team together with Felicity and Errich.. Nedda or Thea?

[fickle gull]

All good epics

[mental thunder]

i've used thea, she can hold witch remains/crown for defense down since ult is 3x

but i'd rather hold out for tonalnan

[solemn bear]

Anyone free to offer some advice? I feel like I have good potential for teams but idk if I'm just dumb or what, can't beat half the content I'm seeing other guys do at the same level caps

These are my available epics/leggos. And ofc I have most of the rares too

A little coaching would be great appreciated. I feel like I'm missing some major points of the game.

[twin crypt]

i must have really bad luck lol

every clueless person has like 5 legendary and a bajillion epics

[solemn bear]

Almost feels like I spent money too early and it hampered my early learning being able to muscle through generic early game content

[twin crypt]

there's definitely a lot of nuance to each units skills

when you are asking for team help, sort by element combos

fire / poison, lightning/ radiance

2day old account, what’s my best pvp setup here?

i think heksander is my only real healer so I've just been using fire

kinda a sucky team tho

[mental thunder]

Well first off i would say dont use ergander as tank in pve content - he is more of a pvp tank. I would build the fire/poison team:

Isolde tank, adolphus support, tonalnan + caspar + eches. When you beat purple dragon you replace eches with errich. This is a plug and play vortex team and a high damage pve team in general.

Second team: garius, garret, schaltar, shook, catherine… another great team that can do vortex or other bosses… like fire domain to help farm your fire/poison team. Eventually replace shook with iola.

Third team (eventually): voresh, ghulende, usha, elvis, meggan. Eventually replace meggan with rava or dorkruz or if you are lucky and pull lossenia or auster.

You just arent leveling and using the right heroes… you have fantastic potential teams but just arent putting their skill synergies together correctly…

Generally it is: Skillset synergy of team > gear > affinity > positioning/timing… if you fail something, address those concerns and you will do better… read the enemy skills… read and understand your team member skills… pick the right gear and artifacts and timings to make them work optimally.

[mental thunder]

If we are dumpster diving for pvp teams… caraman, sigrid, horrus, heksandra, fire main character. Ask again in 3 days and the team would be different… you have no gear or scrolls, idk what youd accomplish in pvp lol

That said caraman does not need to be leveled outside of pvp… leave him level 1 since he will scale up in pvp anyway. He isnt a pve unit. Sigrid however will be in just about every team going forward. Max scroll asap and level her. The other units i listed can be leveled up also

[sullen spear]

Would gareth unskilled be better than altin skill, can t keep the guy alive to reach 22 xd

[twin crypt]

yeah we are dumpster diving haha

[mental thunder]

In early game to mid or even late game, seeing caraman there is a massive deterrant. Hard pass a lot of times when i see that dude

Because he forces you to have a geared unit specifically for dealing with him alone

[solemn bear]

Tysm for the advice, it is only day 6 for me so I know I lack alot of knowledge. Hoping I can catch up over the next few weeks rather then taking a "bull-in-a-china-shop" technique of smashing people together that don't really belong.

[mental thunder]

Add in sigrid and a wide area debuffer and you have big problems

Also both @solemn bear and @twin crypt check out my guide: #1180150041730617344

[twin crypt]

I dont have horrus, but i read we get him free?

[solemn bear]

Daily rewards on day 4 I think?

[sullen spear]

Yes self heal set did the trick.
The rare guy is awesome / broken in my team (i tested at lvl 70 before choosing him)

[old abyss]

Anyone started Lunar event already? And how’s the lineup so far? 😄

[balmy spoke]

I’m having problems with bionphray season 1. I’m using usha, drizzt, hochadir tank/frost application, felosia, and gladros. Usha just gets slaughtered by 11m. Any ideas?

[mental thunder]

There are few if any real control immunity skills out there… and melee will always die before ranged on a boss that has mostly melee range attacks. There is a reason everyone hates bionphray boss lol

[balmy spoke]

Guess I’ll just have to hope I pull Auster xD

[sullen spear]

I d only use 1 tank on bionphray especially if you have a focused healer, then full ranged for the rest. I tried drizt but i didnt had any choice in heal and the panther + him was a problem, so i replace him by the rare defense that can apply atk down. Thats what worked for me, but then would highly depend on your roster.

[elder swift]

Can anyone here help with melee dauntless team for chief challenge?

I'm doing S1 and it's quite difficult with Errich keeping all of them healed with the supports I have

Is it even worth it to try without all of the alliance buffs and without witch?

[half ridge]

you want to use 2 rad ranged healers to tank errich while you have 2 melee dps do damage

then you have a ranged att down like iola or irina

post pics of ur heroes @elder swift

[midnight plinth]

Need help 1 day player here
Base on guide for new player i max out these heroes
Pls give me best line up for almost everything

[zenith cobalt]

Eli, dench, heksandra, sigrid and horrus.

[elder swift]

But if you have 2 melee DPS doesnt' he ult the melee?

[half ridge]

not if u position in a certain way

[elder swift]

Here's what I have

[half ridge]

https://youtu.be/mkFBqupE7bA?si=_TGX1qKiLpKe6Vkv @elder swift

[elder swift]

I don't have scrolls for everyone

[half ridge]

gillian / quarion / sutha / garett / irina

[midnight plinth]

So I dont need my MC?

[balmy spoke]

What did you use for dps? What ranged dps is there for ice besides the legendaries? Do you think Voresh can hit the 22m? 😮

[mental thunder]

Melee gonna die fast because both of his skills are aoe

[elder swift]

Garrett isn't fully scrolled

Should I still use him?

[half ridge]

schaltar might be better, no harm testing both

[midnight plinth]

Guys.. Sorry but another question
Which epic should i choose?
Currently only fire/poison lineup

[midnight plinth]

This is my current heroes

[mental thunder]

How new is your account

#1180150041730617344 also check out my guide

[midnight plinth]

1 day gameplay i think

[mental thunder]

Yeah just save the chest then

[midnight plinth]

Yeah already read that
And already follow that instruction

[mental thunder]

For like 2 weeks save epic chest

[midnight plinth]

Alright thanks sir

[zenith cobalt]

Not right now in the current composition if your using eli then you need some other poisoners for him to burst damage.

[mental thunder]

Rare selector choose usha later if you dont have her yet. Meggan, quarion, enna in that order after that…

[midnight plinth]

How to get that rare selector?

[zenith cobalt]

Lvl 10 pass. The ones you levelled up using daily mission.

[zenith cobalt]

Your using poison/fire team in your day 1 gameplay right?

I dont see you got meggan, quarion nor enna in your hero list.

[sullen spear]

Auster was my mvp there. I didnt even tried to make a 2nd ice team because of the melee aoe and control taken + lack of heal i had in ice. Funny thing necro was easier with 2 epic and 3 rares, so i focused on second necro team

[midnight plinth]

Yeah..
I think thats is my priority when i get rare selector right?

[midnight plinth]

I will follow this

[zenith cobalt]

The guy told you to pick usha tho. Yup.

Goodluck to you.xD

[midnight plinth]

Thanks
I need that
My luck always sucks when gacha lol

[zenith cobalt]

Same me too. Im stuck creating multi many account played lvl 15-18 if dont get leggo pull i delete the account then start over again until RNG bless me. Dont worry i have my own main account in S2