ISAT Musical (A6 & 2Hats Spoilers)

[drifting canyon]

theres also tons of time modulations

makes it feel like the tempos changing when its not

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:O SLIDES!!!

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it's fun skimming through the slides sometimes

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ideas

back to sewing

[old radish]

Act 4!!

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I’m laughing at this just the sprinting

[old radish]

This is great, Manny. So much personality in their faces. I love it.

[hot folio]

thanks ^u^

I excell at expressions

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They’re very good lol

[hot folio]

I'm imagining that the music for the start goes as normal and then gets a little more confused (but keeps going) while Mira stops singing mid sentence

"Hello Sif I-" stops singing, music keeps going "Oh change you look really tired"

the music cuts right to Bonnie's part where they would be singing if Sif didn't bust in losing his mind

pauses at the "...HOW ARE YOU?" conversation or at least metronomes

it's basically all talking until it hits Loop

although that probably wouldn't pick up until after Sif says "....just say it, say I told you so" and then Loop sings

[old radish]

Just skipping and speeding until we can talk with Bonnie.

[hot folio]

then it's Loop (mostly) singing and Sif just talking about the new information

I've been watching a lot of Into The Woods and the title song has a lot of people talking in time with the song at some parts so that's how I imagine a Sif and Loop conversation going when they're really cooking with ideas

[old radish]

145 slides. And counting.

Imma throw a party when we reach 150 /j

[analog blade]

THIS GOT ME AND MADE ME LAUGH SO HARD

also i had a props and scenery thought

moving things from stage right to stage left is seen as forward progression, because the audience sees it as left to right, the way we read a book. so we can do that when going forward (including looping forward or just like… actually traversing things), but move things from stage left to stage right when going back, since it’s seen as the opposite

[hot folio]

oh yeah I forgot about that until just now

[loud inlet]

I’ve been looking at the slides a bit and it’s pretty impressive how much is in there already

Also I can’t stop thinking about Sif with heelies now lol

Idk if that would even work practically but yeah

[old radish]

My notes for the musical are all now split in between my WIP art, and the slidesheet. From multiple thousand words, two just a concept for a different ISAT drawing. It's so strange, seeing my old 'Musical Notes' page have zero musical notes. This slidesheet was a great idea, but wow. No more scrambled messy notes page. I don't know what to do with myself.

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kind of random but I think Siff should sit on the left root instead of the right when talking to Loop, that way their good eye's facing the audience

[old radish]

I keep forgetting to factor in their eyepatch in my drawings, and what the audiance can see. That is a very valid point, and there's probably a fair few scenes that the eyepatch should be accounted for.

[cloud path]

I forgot about this when the heelies idea was first mentioned but I once watched a high school production of the little mermaid where the fish and mermaid characters wore heelies to move around the stage! Now I’m trying to remember if they looked like they could move easily and comfortably in them-

[old radish]

The Siffrin actor is going to be going through enough crab as is. They don't need to be dealing with wearing heelies at the same time!

It would be funny though...

[loud inlet]

I’ve seen a video of a production like that too! People moved around pretty smoothly from what I could tell but it probably took some practice

[cloud path]

Yeah I’m sure it took some getting used to

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The amount of random skills some actors end up picking up because of shows is kinda funny now that I think about it

[old radish]

…how are we going to do the falling scene in act 6?

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https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-think-thinking-gif-4280214517394111861

[loud inlet]

A few ideas:

• swings?
• people lay on the floor in a circle this gets projected from a camera above which could make it look like falling
• use blocking/choreography + effects
• use puppetry but small (maybe shadow puppets?) and then kinda transition back to the actors after the fall

Falling is hard lol

Or really it’s hard to do it when it’s not a quick fall and is also a group thing

[cloud path]

Maybe they could just-

Lay on the ground in a circle?

Have it mimic that scene without them actually falling?

https://tenor.com/view/insertdisc5-in-stars-and-time-isat-siffrin-good-evening-gif-15012352627979375126

Like this but sad

[loud inlet]

Yeah I think the easiest way is to just do lay down lol

[cloud path]

They can still hold hands as a treat

[frosty kelp]

so. what about The Playing One (BigFrin)

it's Playing one right... i think that's what the wiki says

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The second thing I said was basically yeah lay down on the floor and just have a camera on the actors from above so u can see their faces still, because it still works without that but if ur close to the stage u can’t really see as much

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So the shot would look like this kinda lol

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I think the slide deck had the idea of bigfrin being a big puppet

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Lighting thought: to help sell the King’s powers on the big time stop, do a light blue. Matches with the language of him freezing people in time, makes it so being frozen isn’t solely carried by the actors, and has cute star-themed power synergy, what with the red shift blue shift thing.

[old radish]

Hmm, I suppose we could... I find the idea of using colors (other than red) very cursed, but it’s a good idea to play with the lighting for that moment for sure.

[tender mirage]

ISAT does make every color choice precious* since it’s a very rad monochrome, but this also means they’re more impactful since they’re limited. I was trying to picture the King scene without any special effects, and it wasn’t really clicking for me. I think the next best thing to blue would be a static effect, which just need to be careful with for people’s eyes. You’d also need to make several frames of it since you’re issuing the projector for backgrounds already, and you don’t want to lose that too soon. More work but doable, you just don’t want the King’s powers to look too much like Sif about to wipe out. A time stop color is standard in musicals where someone has a whole song in their head to decide something before a pivotal moment, but ya gotta do what makes sense for this show. Good luck!

[old radish]

Thanks for the suggestions!! It’s a very good idea, even if the monochrome game makes it a struggle. And if I would pick a color, blue feels right. It’s a toughie! Glitch effects…hmm. The Head Housemaiden maybe needs them too, so if we did them both with glitch effects for different contexts, it might be strange. But it’s also on the table. What an interesting dilemma.

[tender mirage]

Oo! Shattered glass overlay, instead of static. Sharp grey ice, frozen in place.

[old radish]

!!!

Yeah!!!!!!

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👍👍

[old radish]

Yes!!! That is so good!

[tender mirage]

I’m glad! Y’all are doing rad stuff here, all the best

[rough pilot]

looks around

this is so cool

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Right?
I contributed random stuff and I still think it’s cool to scroll through

[old radish]

Okay, let me summerize the google slides rambles here. I was thinking about NPCs. For Odile's friendquest related reasons, mostly. Who in Dormont should we include? Now normally, this is where I would leave it an open ended question but. I've actually put a lot of thought into this already. So you get to hear my many thoughts about NPCs.

Daydreaming One: Should be included. Why? Siffrin lore.
The boulangers: Odile's quest feels perfectly rounded out by looping back around to the start of it. I think it's a beautiful punchline- no need to cahnge it. Plus, croissant lore.
Bored Librarian: An odd sounding choice, but they are actually really important to help people find the books in this game, so I think they should be included if just for that. Plus, inluding the librarian means including the library, and the basic craft lore book feels important to include for me.
Flower Growing One: A bit unsure about this pick, if only since they don't have much personality. The flowers hsould certainly be included though, and we need to add them. May I offer a weird idea though? Fuse them with Beautiful One. In case you don't remember, that's the one that talks about throwing a party. Much personality, and needed for Odile's quest, but doesn't do much mechanically. They cover each other's weaknesses!

(The Birds: Piou Piou! ISAT would feel hollow without them.)

Onto ones I am more unsure about including:

Smug One: The one from Poteria. I do love the play metaphors, but I could understand leaving them out. However. Them helping establish Siffrin isn't from Vaugard is helpful. Necessary? Probably not. But helpful.
Running One: I like their tragic tale of their sibling getting hit by the curse becasue they couldn't run fast enough, and the running video game tutorial might be a funny meta joke to leave in. Plus, they do enjoy calling Siffrin out. But I could see why they might be unnecessary. (Also could you imagine if your role in a play was running in circles numerous times?)
Fishing One: I really like the fishing one, because the enviroemental impact the king has is kind of an insanely cool detail??? Also, good running gag to make him keep fishing each time he's in Dormont, and eventually manage to catch a fish. But fishing is long, and maybe not completely necessary.

And then I wrote out all my thoughts on Tutorial Kid and the trio of Sky, Frog, and Wizard Loving Kid out on the slides, but I'll try to make it more reasonable here: I just don't think that Sky and Frog really add much, as much as I absolutely love them in game. It makes Wizard Loving Kid feel like a leader of a gang of kids, which feels so cool. They are a trio! They shouldn't be split up! But, while they are needed for Odile's quest, they don't really do much else. Wizard Kid kind of carries the trio, which makes sense for a leader, but makes the other two feel like they aren't necessary for the musical. Which kind of takes the wind out of Wizard Loving Kid's sails. A catch 22 on including them and having too many kids, or leaving them out and having too little. And Tutorial Kid's entire arc is going from teaching you this one game to being taught a new game at the end, which I love to pieces, but you kind of need the full trio for that 'welcomed into the friend group' feeling. You could leave the trio out and keep Tutorial Kid, but listen. Everyone knows how to play rock paper scissors, or can at least pick up on it quickly. And while I do love that you can memorize Tutorial Kid's patterns, is that enough of a reason to include them? I love all these kids a lot, but I really am unsure on how many to include.

None: Who needs tutorials? Just get rid of them! And you can move Odile's quest to another character. Many less actors, and it doesn't remove too much.
One (Fuse Tutorial Kid and Wizard Loving Kid): You can make Tutorial Kid a fusion of themselves and Wizard Loving Kid- have THEM steal the Family Tale! Easy enough! They don't get their little resolution at the end, but who cares?
One (Just Wizard Loving Kid): Who needs tutorials? But we can keep the kid taking the familytale, and the running gag of them thinking Siffrin might be a wizard stays intact. You could fuse this into Tutorial kid too, come to think of it. But no tutorials included, and more on Wizard Loving Kid's personality, perhaps.
Two (Both Tutorial Kid and Wizard Loving Kid): Why fuse the two characters? Let them riff off each other! And you could still get your 'teach the Tutorial Kid a tutorial' gag, just with less of an inclusive group feeling. Honestly, having written this all out (for the third time ), this feels the most fitting.
Four: Don't break up the band! Let the canon interactions occur! 'Bonnie, these kids love frogs!' can be included! Sky Loving Kid can foreshadow and we can get the scene of Siffrin tearing up the leaf! The full gang! But that's two more characters to include for some foreshadowing, and one funny + one sad moment. A rough one.

Phew! And that's all! I have been thinkign about this all day. Notice me missing an NPC? That's because I already weighed them- my awful rambly notes are on page 155-161 of the slides if you want to see them all for some reason and my thoughts.

[ebon yoke]

We as a fandom need to pester Man on the Internet to play it and make In Stars and Time the Musical like they did with Undertale

[old radish]

Spoilering this for act 5 just because it’s literally footage from a playthrough and a pretty impactful scene, but I was watching EvidentlyFresh’s playthrough (their songs are very good! Would recommend!) and then this happened (after Bonnie!!!), and I suddenly was like ‘wait. Wait. Didn’t I talk about the order with someone in the ISAT musical server?? You CAN do Bonnie first??? I was right?!?’ So um. Here’s proof! That the game let’s you do it in any order!!!! (I was so stunned when that happened I knew it could be done!!! )

[analog blade]

oh!

[old radish]

It really doesn’t matter the order, so we can still do Bonnie then Odile, but like. I was right!

Okay, I have a playthrough to watch. But there’s your Very Important To The Musical trivia that will not be used at all.

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so I'm still really attached to the idea of the music kind of simplifying at act 5's ||MDP only to kick back in when the party shows up|| so I grabbed another song I like as a placeholder to show the idea

anyway ||https://youtu.be/0FGWqjml5vo?si=7_N0l4i-_e4IPto4||

stars I haven't done this style of video since middleschool

[old radish]

It turned out great!

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OH RIGHT I didn't talk about the lighting on this one

...do I have to spoil act 5 stuff still?

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I thought it'd be neat if MDP was backlit to

• sell the shadow thing
• create an outline around MDP since we can't blacklight it (it'd make Siff inverted)
• visually highlight MDP

then for the transition into the fam, Mirabelle having lights on the underside of her palms to illuminate her and make it seem like she's using craft

her gloves are white and reach up until her hands so it should be easy enough to conceal I think

[old radish]

Smart!

That makes me wonder what the battles would look like on stage!

[old radish]

Hey wouldn't it be really funny if Siffrin just randomly has the bomb during the act 3 'cringe compilation'? Like it comes out of nowhere?????? And Siffrin just has it now??? I'm sitting here overplanning everything, but hoenstly that might land funnier if it gets one off hand 'joking' mention, and then like 20 minutes later Siffrin is throwing a bomb at the king.

[heavy inlet]

oh interesting

I was imagining the bomb was in most loops to speed up the king fight a bit

[hot folio]

The cringe comp being in Act 3, before the friend stuff, before that event at the end of A3, would be tonal whiplash in the best way.
Honestly what if the Family Loop and Act 3 End loop happen at the same time?
Although the whole SAY IT BRIGHT ONE sequence would have to be before that

The timeline in my head is

• say it bright one
• cringe comp of trying to figure out what he’s even talking about
• oh wait I should figure out what’s up with my friends maybe I don’t have to deal with the king

Wait no that doesn’t make sense

ACTUALLY HOLD ON

• Family Loop and SAY IT BRIGHT ONE are the same loop
• The next full loop after that is the end of act 3

[old radish]

You can see the order I was thinking in the slides! I thought it would be best to do fambly, then cringe comp^tm, then say it and immediatly Bonbon sad times.

The tonal whiplash of act 3 is part of the experience.

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YES

Like just happy cheerful having a good time all things considered OH GOD OH FUCK

[hot folio]

They try to say the name, Sif is like “WAIT WHY ARE WE FIGHTING WE CAN STOP”
“….actually yes let’s stop fighting”
“Really?”
“lol nah”

[old radish]

We fight against the king 10 times what the crab

1. Lose because no shield
2. Win for the first time
3. Ask questions about time craft (win non family)
4. Ask questions about time craft 2 (win family)
5. Ask where he's from (family 2)
6. Say it's name (non family duh)
7. Let's stop fighting (still obv non family)
8. King fight afraid (family I think)
9. Win to talk to the head housemaiden again to ask about wish craft
10. Alone

Siffrin honey you need to chill

Imagine you are hearing this team do the same 'we can do it!!!!' song and you are like. Dude. We have heard this 8 times already. Please. I beg you. Stop.

ok ok ok I am thinking. What if they keep doing the same song in the background, whereas Siffrin is singing new lines with the questions.

[hot folio]

Yeah!

Also like, by the 3rd-5th one Sif could be going "yeah yeah yeah okay yes we'll defeat him in a second HEY I HAVE QUESTIONS"

maybe we don't even see the proper fight in those loops, like the times they ask questions and then just get on with the fight, it could be a cut ahead to Head Housemaiden

like he's fastforwarding to save time

[old radish]

Okay! Working off that and some things I was taking notes on while art-ing:

1. Lose because no shield (So the song barely begins?)
2. Win for the first time (Full song, Siffrin is putting in full effort)
3. Ask questions about time craft (they are singing the song in the background, but Siffrin is clearly focused on the questions. There's a lot of questions so this might last the full song)
4. Ask questions about time craft 2 (much less questions. We could throw the bomb? Feels a bit early.... This one gets a speed through probably after the questions) EDIT: Actually this one is the family loop
5. Ask where he's from (feels fitting to give him the flower here, as the questions are a bit more emotional. Can speed through. If you wanted to be really funny you could throw the bomb here)
6. Say it's name (Obviosuly the song goes off track and they change it near completely)
7. Let's stop fighting (Song once again changes)
8. King fight afraid (This is where I am fully okay with us throwing a bomb. Him being afraid gives us an interesting version of his lines though. Maybe some lines from his friends noticing that they are behaving strangely?)
9. Win to talk to the head housemaiden again to ask about wish craft (Completely rushing through this one. A-okay with a bomb.)
10. Alone (This song is going to be very notably different because it's act 5 lol)

If we did want Siffrin to just suddenly have a bomb mid death compilation, there's actually only one shot to do it- the same one where I would give him a flower.

We could do it the one before though...

I can't believe this silly guy has to fight the King so often.

[old radish]

Urg I missed one. There's another King fight. I am going to find some blinding way to trim it out

'Intermission' you have caused so many problems. I love you but you have made such a mess. Look at what you have done. (I am cleaning it up instead of drawing new stuff)

................................I have an idea. To trim out the other king fight.

The idea is to merge the two friend loops after the first one into just one. And divvy up the other stuff from the end of that loop into other loops.

It's working. This is so funny to me. I seperated them only to merge them once more.

[hot folio]

Proposal for the Cringe Comp (that we see), assuming it runs like how the Groundhog Day repeating loops work, the song is the game over theme but kinda in a jaunty way you'd expect in a montage

[tender thunder]

i just now saw this, and honestly having them do ISAT The Musical would be The Dream™️

I don't know if it would ever actually happen, but it would make me really happy

[old radish]

Quick name every single frozen person in the House of Dormont /silly

[stable portal]

Hey! Even Mira can’t do that!

[old radish]

(The one in the hallyway. The one in the plant room. The. Um. Frozen dog. The one in the infirmary dead end. Grape stomping class from the glass room. The one in that room Mira can't remember anything about. Is. Is that everyone????)

I swear there are more

Oh! The teacher! In the clay room!

[stable portal]

Bonding earrings?

[old radish]

Bonding earrings!!!!

[stable portal]

Roommate

[old radish]

Literally today's prompt how did I forget

[stable portal]

Trap room has somebody

[old radish]

I didn't even think to name Claude since I already decided to include them.

[old radish]

The one with the book!!! The book theif!!!

Oh! Mira's rolemodel.

The librarian!!!

[analog grove]

Euphrasie

[plucky cliff]

correct

[old radish]

Okay well

Technically true

[plucky cliff]

Euphrasie!

[stable portal]

Technically correct is the best kind of correct

[old radish]

Can't believe I forgot Claude and Euphrasie when they are the absolutely correct answers to a question that doesn't have correct answers.

Oh! The one getting changed.

Mira's friend and her dog.

Two whole frozen dogs in the house. How could the King do this.

[stable portal]

Wow, forgetting the trans-ing one right at the start of pride month

[old radish]

Is..........is that all of them...????

[stable portal]

I am now imagining a Jello style “say it bright one” about the bury your gays trope

[old radish]

The King is actually transphobic. /j

The ISAT wiki doens't have them yet. I am just desperately using my memory.

[stable portal]

Welp, time to replay…. See you tomorrow /j

[old radish]

Make sure to write down every person in the house. /j

[stable portal]

On one hand, I appreciate the dedication to representing this hyper-dense video game. On the other, take all the cuts you can get

[old radish]

Oh I am so not including everyone. I just need to know my options.

[stable portal]

I accept that this is a controversial opinion, but I stand by “but who was phone?” being 20 minutes of self contained plot that can be trimmed with minimal loss to the various character arcs

[old radish]

Hallway. Plant room. Frozen dog. Infirmary dead end. Grape stomping class. One Mira can't remember. The teacher. Bonding Earings. Claude (roommate). Book theif. Mira's rolemodel. Librarian. Mira's friend and her dog. Changing. Of this list, the one in the infirmary, the one from the grape stomping, and the one mira can't remember are in rooms we are leaving out (I feel like we don't need broken glass and the croissant lore will be enough with just the Boulangers. We don't need the infirmary). Obviously we are including Claude. I'll continue this in a sec

[old radish]

That is completely fair. I really really like that scene, because the Change God kinda roasts us completely. But I do accept that it's unneccasry. However. Counterargument. Who Was Phone is incredibly fun to include. It's just such a neat moment.

If the musical gets too long, I accept that that can be cut.

[stable portal]

Agreed! It also serves as a rare and valuable late game comedy scene

[old radish]

I grouped that into the 'act 3 death compilation' area, and it's surrounded by the horrible feeling of the family run failing, the 'coin song', and right after Say it's Name and what comes after. It's a very needed moment of levity, certainly.

Even if. You know. It's not all fun and games.

[stable portal]

I took what I could get in act 4

Stars, my instincts are to use typical emotes, but the yellow just feels sacrilegious

[old radish]

Colors in the ISAT server.......

[stable portal]

Side note: is there any talk on a start again musical? Since it’s about a tenth the length of ISAT, it would turn out to be a more manageable 3 hrs instead of 30

I was thinking about trimming, and prologue is the logical extreme

[old radish]

That is true....

I am such a sucker for happy endings that I haven't even considered Start Again: The Musical (Get it? Start Again: A Prologue)

[stable portal]

Should find a unit conversion for lines to minutes as an estimate of length….

Ever seen Hadestown?

[old radish]

I am actively refusing to think about how long what I am making would be. Just because. I am here for the concept, and if it becomes real I will do my best to help. That being said, I am doing my best to make it somewhat feasible.

[old radish]

I have horrid news about my musical knowledge....

The only musical I have ever seen is Hamilton. I have heard all the songs for Dear Evan Hanson, Be More Chill, Percy Jackson, and Beetlejuice, but not the actual performances. And also now the Groundhogday musical.

I did watch that.

[stable portal]

Mentions in the opening song that this isn’t going to go well, but they’re going to sing it again. “Maybe it will turn out this time”
At the end, after it all goes wrong, they sing a reprise. It’s slow, mourning. But it builds up in energy as they get ready to sing it again, and it’s somehow hopeful

[old radish]

The person trying the hardest to make the ISAT Musical real has like -5 theatre knowledge.

Start Again: A Musical is so funny to me. Imagine you hear that two musicals have been made from one fandom. One is 3 hours long, and the other 30. They are about a character with the same name and nearly the exact same plot.

[stable portal]

So…. Imagine the true ending of the prologue. But the final reveal is that this isn’t a surprise. He looks to the audience and admits that they’ve done this musical dozens of times before. It feels good to break down and be comforted every once in a while. Anyways, back to the stage. maybe it’ll work out this time

||The real trick is that you do bows after the final king fight. Then you play the timeloop sounds and it’s back to the opening scene ||

[old radish]

Oh that is so freaking clever.

You have to fully commit- do you want Siffrin to be conscious that this has happened before, or do you want the rugpull on the audiance? Or I guess you could half commit and imply it has happened beefore.

[stable portal]

So sif comes out and does their bow, then everyone moves back to where they were at the start of the show. If you’re particularly clever, sifrin’s been starting every loop bent over/touching their toes. So then it’s a perfect loop when he takes his bow

The more I think on this, the more I like ending abruptly and ambiguously. Maybe some hints that this isn’t the first time, but largely leaving the audience with the gut punch. A tug on their stomach, if you will

[old radish]

I love the ending of SASASAP. The rug pull feeling hurts so much, since Siffrin is so determined to make this run be 'the run', and then it finally is, and then he Still. Goes. Back. And he doesn't even say anything......

[stable portal]

Two adaptations. Start again for stage, then an episodic thing for ISAT. It’s a state performance, but recorded into a bunch of episodes like a tv show

[old radish]

I think we are doing our best to make In Songs and Time^tm have a reasonable length, but it's so funny to imagine that these two musicals are opposites.

Siffrin just shoving themselves through the songs and trying to reach the end, vs Siffrin meandering about doing all the side quests.

[stable portal]

In Songs and Time, side quest edition (1d 5hr 31min)

[old radish]

Imagine. "Come see our musical!!! It's only a short lil experience! Won't even take up a minute of your time! "

[stable portal]

I mean, back in the day operas could be multi-part. It uh doesn’t sell as well recently

[old radish]

Clearly the solution is just to put the audiance in a time loop

Can't waste time if time is all messed up already!

[stable portal]

Good play, good play, good play, it’s what you want

Watching the “typing” message, I feel like Sif cutting off Isa, but I’m off to sleep

[old radish]

Librarian. Mira's friend and her dog. Changing. Of this list, the one in the infirmary, the dog on the way to the infirmary, the one from the grape stomping, and the one mira can't remember are in rooms we are leaving out (I feel like we don't need broken glass and the croissant lore will be enough with just the Boulangers. We don't need the infirmary). Obviously we are including Claude. The one in the hallway is only important as it's the first one we see. She 'taught Mira everything she knew'.... I guess. Plant room one means nothing to me. I would leave them out. The teacher and the bonding earing couple should probably be included.....? The book thief is fun, but upon reflecting, I have realized that I just. Didn't include that room at all. It doesn't exist. And they aren't important enough for me to include in my opinion. No one ever remember's Mirabelle's rolemodel, which is fair I guess. I wouldn't include her personally- all that they add is Mira being sad that they look scared. The librarian means nothing to me, especially since 'Castle Loving One' is excluded. If Cursing of Chateau castle even makes it in it will be an indirect way-

Yeah that's fair lol

I am just working

Good night!!!

Of this list, the one in the infirmary, the dog on the way to the infirmary, the one from the grape stomping, and the one mira can't remember are in rooms we are leaving out (I feel like we don't need broken glass and the croissant lore will be enough with just the Boulangers. We don't need the infirmary). Obviously we are including Claude. The one in the hallway is only important as it's the first one we see. She 'taught Mira everything she knew'.... I guess. Plant room one means nothing to me. I would leave them out. The teacher and the bonding earing couple should probably be included.....? The book thief is fun, but upon reflecting, I have realized that I just. Didn't include that room at all. It doesn't exist. And they aren't important enough for me to include in my opinion. No one ever remember's Mirabelle's rolemodel, which is fair I guess. I wouldn't include her personally- all that they add is Mira being sad that they look scared. The librarian means nothing to me, especially since 'Castle Loving One' is excluded. If Cursing of Chateau castle even makes it in it will be an indirect way. I respect the one in the changing room, but um. We don't...need them. Mira's friend and her dog are important to me- a cute moment with a dark undertone. I would want to include them

[wispy geyser]

are people brainstorming ideas for an ISAT musical in here
like songs and stuff

[old radish]

That's exactly it!!!

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1FbjaIEOwepB6gF0ieRHPxrHLtU7REHnGN-fFfD1j2vw/edit?usp=sharing

Here's the slides if you'd like to look at me attempt to organize all these notes!

[wispy geyser]

i feel like you could do something with loop saying "I wouldn't do that now if I were you." (about the knife maybe) in a song and then that same song being reprised into "I COULDN'T DO IT BACK WHEN I WAS YOU!"

[old radish]

Oh! Very fun. I didn't include the dagger moment, just because. Oof ouches and all that. But that is a very fun set of lyrics!!!!

[wispy geyser]

that popped into my head a few days ago when somebody mentioned "isat would be cool as a musical" on tumblr or something

dont remember the details anymore

[old radish]

Heh, we should send that person into here.

[wispy geyser]

to be fair "I wouldn't do that now if I were you." feels like something loop could say at any moment

pineapple
knife
general siff act 5 activities

[old radish]

Loop is always out there judging.

[wispy geyser]

though

that also means they could say it multiple times

a recurring line followed by the reveal lyric twisting it

[old radish]

'If I were you' is such good foreshadowing, and probably really funny for the ones in the know.

[wispy geyser]

"Stardust, I wouldn't do that now if I were you~"
"Stardust, I wouldn't do that now if I were you."
"Stardust, I wouldn't do that now if I were you..."
"STARDUST. I COULDN'T DO IT BACK WHEN I WAS YOU!"

you get the idea

[old radish]

I do! That's very clever!!!

Okay, so after some elimination they have been chopped down.

• Claude. They feel like they have to be included. Mirabelle's roomate, important for if we want to foreshadow Siffrin pulling a bomb out of nowhere, and also the cause for Mirabelle's pre-King breakdown and the reason she spills that she wasn't actually blessed by the Change God. Plus, who doesn't think Claude/Euphrasie is adorable?
• Mira's friend and her dog are important to me- a cute moment with a dark undertone. The overall silly vibe of the conversation, then it hits you with 'at least she's with her dog..she's not alone.' Ouch. And her having a friend frozen in the house...it means a lot to me. It feels like she really does have an entire story before this. The dog could be represented by a stuffed animal or something- we really really don't need a real dog.
• The clay teacher and the bonding earring couple should probably be included. If only to add more people, and they both have fun stories attached independently. And then you realize they are a couple? Absolutely wonderful. I enjoy those two's existence and think they should make an appearence.
  So how do we go about representing the frozen folk in the house? I think cardboard cutouts could work, or statues, or literally just having them stand very still. There's many options, but the inverted colors used in game would be tough to replecate I think. That also raises the question on what happens if/when we get frozen.

[wispy geyser]

a lot of the frozen people seem less important on their own and more important as key moments to show where mirabelle's emotions are at throughout the house

best example being that one she literally does not know

maybe they could be sprinkled throughout anything else going on relating to mirabelle in the house or something along those lines?

[wispy geyser]

for the sif death. what if you dropped a grey barely stuffed beanbag on the actor

wait really funny idea. since loop is in the audience when they're not on screen. and loop sends messages into siff's brain. what if they're literally just yelling at the siffrin actor

just kinda stands up waves and shouts at him

also loop being in the audience is really clever considering the "wish for rest"

[wispy geyser]

middle of the first loop's song, Loop stands up, makes that sort of hand to the side of your mouth motion: "Hey Stardust, you should head to the Favor Tree!" or something and siffrin has no idea who just said that because they can't actually see the fourth wall

they then continue to do this throughout the play

siffrin eats the pineapple and dies and loop just yells "I warned you, Stardust!"

oh, if there were reference to sus route or anything, that makes me imagine a point where instead of standing there idly as the stagehand removes the equipment, odile turns to watch as they carry it away

(still reading the slides)

[wispy geyser]

"I'm gonna see you in a whole new world" could be sung in the same cadence as "I wouldn't do that now if I were you"

in sequence...
loop warning them once again but quite seriously that "Stardust... I wouldn't do this now if I were you..." (and then some more) in a more serious key than they normally sing it, but siffrin responds with "IT HAS TO WORK! I'm gonna see you in a whole new world!" in the original upbeat way loop sang it when it wasn't as much a serious warning (laced with desperation of course)

and then when loop sings the "I COULDN'T DO IT BACK WHEN I WAS YOU!" it's said in just the same way siffrin says that, maybe

the ideas...

[wispy geyser]

oh ok you mentioned the idea that loop heckles from the audience and upon googling that is, in fact, pretty much what i described here

[old radish]

Loved reading back through this!! Loop the silliest audience member who cannot keep their mouth shut the beloved.

[wispy geyser]

i just had an alternate, non-heelies idea for the start again thing

vaudeville hook

[old radish]

Ha??????

[wispy geyser]

pull them outta there

[old radish]

I didn't know what the term for that was, but I didn't need to know the technical term to know exactly what that would look like

[wispy geyser]

i didnt either i had to google it

but who can forget the classic gag of pulling a comedian off the left side of the stage

or right, from their perspective? which way is which on the stage

the starboard side of the stage

theres a joke about stars to be made there

[old radish]

blind you for making me draw this

I am meant to be asleep

But the mental image was too strong

[wispy geyser]

screenshot of myself jumpscare...

[old radish]

"I'm in this image and I don't like it" -Spyril

[wispy geyser]

vengeance (i was supposed to be asleep two hours ago and have been reading this instead)

[old radish]

I am so sorry. Self perpetuating staying up-ege.

[wispy geyser]

twohats lyrics in my brain

(something something intro actual rest of song)
STARDUST! I couldn't do it back when I was you! (big orchestral backing on this one)
I couldn't even pass the king,
I tried and tried,
and though you died,
your vic-to-ry was such a BLIND. ING. sim. ple. thing! (orchestra hits behind this)
And now it's yours,
these happy ends,
and now they're yours,
all of MY friends.
And now it's yours,
the trusty knife, (rit.)
and now it's yours,
my rot-ting life...

[old radish]

Woah!!!! So cool!! I have so many notes to organize in the morning. /positive

[wispy geyser]

i must sleepy...

siffrin png

[old radish]

Go sleep!

I say, from bed, on my phone.

[wispy geyser]

couldnt be me (from bed, on my tablet)

oh wait forgot to say

i saw the idea that loop is singing and siff is just talking

but what if siff only starts singing to/with loop during the siff goin insane moments

[old radish]

Woah that’s such a cool idea!!!!

[wispy geyser]

both representing the scary intensity of their emotions that their dialogue portrait normally does, and also how the role of an actor is slowly consuming them even in moments outside of the "play"

im thinking of that one specific dialogue portrait where they're leaning forwards to clarify

[old radish]

Like Siffrin is starting to play along…..embracing his fate as funny musical man but also showing enthusiasm…..

I know just the one you mean!

[wispy geyser]

the funny musical fella... (distinct gender)

[old radish]

“Loop! I found it!! Wish craft!!!!” (I think it uses that portrait lol)

[wispy geyser]

yeah that one

[wispy geyser]

kinda what i meant by this is
rather than thinking of them as individual people, maybe trying breaking down what exactly mirabelle says and how important that is to know about her?

and so what can be skipped, what can be said briefly and moved along from, and what warrants a whole thing

[old radish]

My goal was to add some people to the house. Because I felt like we should have them. I removed all but 4, and honestly you could probably remove the bonding earring couple easily. I just felt we needed some people to actually want to save by defeating the King! Some stakes.

[wispy geyser]

like theres the housemaiden that taught her so many of the things she needed to get this far, now helpless and unable to guide her, and she can't do anything about that either
breaking them down into the basic components

[old radish]

When it comes to converting this to a genuine musical you could probably cut out a lot. But I’m doing my best to trim it down a small bit, and then if people wish to trim what I have left then so be it.

[wispy geyser]

and theres the one she doesn't know, which both reveals why she's been talking about this in the first place (wants to make sure somebody remembers them) and draws parallels to the whole thing that happens later (wants to make sure somebody remembers them)

if that one made the cut you could even have her and the king say the same line somewhere in there

[old radish]

Maybe we can merge that into the earring one? She says she doesn’t recognize them- only recognizes that they are someone’s partner.

[wispy geyser]

true true

consolidation is good if executed well

[old radish]

…I fused Flower Growing one and Beautiful one since I felt having them both was unnecessary, and only realized after I decided that that they interact together in act 6.

[wispy geyser]

meanwhile there are some less important ones when you break them down to what they represent
theres the guy with the stolen comic whose main purpose (reminder mirabelle can be annoyed by people) seems to be easily absorbed by claude in a scenario like this

in a game thats great, you're not on a time limit and you want to view things from a lot of angles and also it sets up a joke later, but in something like this time is probably valuable

thats just the ones i remember off the top of my head

[old radish]

You can see me list like all the people in the house earlier in this conversation.

[wispy geyser]

yeah but sleepy

[old radish]

Here lol

Go sleep /hypocritical

[wispy geyser]

oh yeah and the changing housemaiden iirc serves to give mirabelle a hopeful reminder that she doesn't have to grieve these people just yet

though thats kind of an odd situation because it also ties into pretty much everyone else and not just mirabelle like most housemaidens

isabeau relating, odile with the learning of delicate customs, siff with the Whatever Is Going On There, etc

(idk if bonnie does anything in that room)

[dusky saffron]

Bursts in late I SEE ISAT MUSICAL

[old radish]

Welcome in!!!

[dusky saffron]

[old radish]

Here’s my ‘very cool very organized’ slides of notes.

[dusky saffron]

I am literally a HUGE theater nerd that did tones of musicals so I am excited at this idea sbiufsdhf

[old radish]

This idea snagged me by the collar and has refused to let go. ISAT the Musical means everything to me.

[dusky saffron]

HOLY CRAB THIS IS A FULLY PLANNED OUT STAGE PLAY

Vibrates in Joy

[old radish]

‘Fully planned out’ is a bit of a stretch!!!

[dusky saffron]

IT IS STILL AMAZING

[hot folio]

It’s a bunch of moving parts that we’re still connecting threads of

But the moving parts are cool

[wispy geyser]

what if mal du pays was holding the crook during the fight to reflect how they normally represent the faint line of siffrins that shows up in the game over

[old radish]

Mal Du Pays withh the vaudeville hook,,,,,,

[wispy geyser]

what if mal du pays was holding it during the game over sequence, too
shadow siffrin in the game over feels about right

[old radish]

I think that might be a bit too silly for that fight, however, the idea is very fun.

[wispy geyser]

i mean the idea is
during the game over sequence theres a shadowy siffrin pulling you back, both to represent both that line of siffrins and also as foreshadowing
and during the fight it's just a callback; they aren't holding it like it's a vaudeville hook, they're holding it like

though upon googling i realize that you do, in fact, use a crook like that

but that's not really relevant its just kinda funny

[wispy geyser]

or maybe that's too on the nose idk

[old radish]

Mal Du Pays jumpscare

They just look like a wizard now.

[wispy geyser]

lmao true

pointy hat and curved staff turns siff into wizard

[old radish]

(Version with the glowy stuff I am blanking on the name of at the moment)

Wizard Loving Kid: So you ARE a wizard!

[wispy geyser]

mal du pays, staring silently:

[old elk]

Wait oh my what is this

[old radish]

The ISAT Musical channel! Where we put far too much thought into a musical that doesn't exist!!!

We have some slides that I have somewhat organized with all our notes as of now.

[old elk]

(Hi I’m Ella I’m getting my BFA in musical theatre with a minor in music, and I wrote a musical called time flies by!)

This is incredible

[old radish]

:O

ANother Ella!!!

[old elk]

I literally just started writing a fan song

OMG

Hi

[old radish]

Hello!!!

[old elk]

I’m gonna send it in fan work soon hehe

This is so cool

[old radish]

I'm excited! I love fansongs! (I mean duh I am helping to make a musical )

[old elk]

Is the musical real or just a concept? /gq

[old radish]

Wait, I was so caught up in the name thing- you wrote a musical?! That's so cool!!

It's a concept for now, but I might just be trying to make it real at this rate.

The slides show..everything we have as of now.

[old elk]

Oh yes haha! It’s a lot of time stuff (it’s @timefliesbymusical on insta)

I saw!!

This is so cool my goodness

[old radish]

Much art, the occasioncally lyrics, and lots of concepts.

[old radish]

I'll have to check it out at some point!

[wispy geyser]

the composerrrrrrrr

[old elk]

Are you :0

[wispy geyser]

no i was saying you

because you made an isat song

and also a musical

[old elk]

Oh!!!

Oh imagine ugh that would be so cool

I sent the song in fan works haha

[old radish]

The sillies

[old radish]

Not a SINGLE ONE of the Dormont folks I included wished for Vaugarde to be saved.

Daydreaming: "It's a secret!"
Boulangers: A pile of croissants, and for their daughter to be saved respectively.
Librarian: "I don't believe in that stuff, so I didn't ask for anything."
Flower Growing: "I didn't tell the Head Housemaiden- why should I tell you?"
Beautiful: "For Vaugarde to have a good time tomorrow."
Tutorial: "To win my next game of rock paper scissors!"
Wizard Kid: "I didn't wish for anything- you guys are supposed to save us right?"

The Head Housemaiden, writing down what everyone wished for: "Hmm. This is giving me zero indication of anything actually. "

[wispy geyser]

but it matters more the intent of the wish than the words anyways, right?

like what happened with siffrin

[old radish]

True. Honestly I might just make Daydreaming, Beautiful, and the big boulanger wish to save Vaugarde to make it clear for the audience.

[wispy geyser]

and the ritual was wrong so that didnt mean anything anyways
so even the ones that wished for nothing counted

[old radish]

Or at least Daydreaming and Beautiful do it. Big Boulanger's wish works fine.

[wispy geyser]

it wasn't very many people that directly wished for it in the first place, too? i think that might have been the point

the hope in people's hearts mattered more than anything else

[old radish]

True, but I do think the fact that many wished for something along the lines of 'the king to be defeated' or 'for a friend or loved one to be saved' or 'for Vaugarde to be saved' played into it.

[wispy geyser]

well some of them still did

the boulanger wished for his daughter to be safe

the wizard kid technically wished for them to be saved since the ritual is meaningless

[old radish]

🇺 🇭

[cloud path]

U H

[tender thunder]

U H

[old radish]

I'm trying to figure out a consistant order to Dormont now that we have our entire cast of characters picked, and Bonnie is right near the end. ... .... the rush to Bonnie at the start of act 4 is going to be quite the trip.

Siffrin ignoring what is normally like 3 minutes of singing: I Simply Do Not Care. Get Me To Bonnie's Part Now.

The entire cast of side characters being shoved to the side: Dude why. We are literally just singing here.

At least that's a good excuse to save some time. (Act 4 Siffrin sounding statement)

[hot folio]

music keeps going but it stumbles like even the people playing the music are like "what? Oh okay we're over here shoot what measure is that"

remembering my middle school years of band in fragments

[old radish]

Ah crab the band must be so lost all the time. "How many times do we have to replay this song????? Wait what are you doing. Wait that's not how this is meant to go. Wait stop. Wait." /j

[strong oar]

I am in physical pain as someone who did band for musicals in high school

[hot folio]

I just did support trumpet in middle school

[old radish]

I am sure there is not an actual live band. However. Imagine.

I played flute! :)

We had 20 flutes in our band in comparison to like 5 of everthing else. It was chaos.

We always had to play really softly.

[strong oar]

How do you end up with 20 flutes?? Our pit band was less than 20 total. Where do you get all the flute parts?

[old radish]

We all picked instruments before the year began, and far too many picked flute and had already bought theirs before anyone noticed the strangeness. It was a big school band overall- but definitly a strange ratio. And honesetly? I have no clue how the band teacher managed to find music that sounded decent with enough flute parts.

[old radish]

..I didn't finish today's art. Mirabelle is also meant to be there but I was tired. No one tell fan-works. /silly

[eager turtle]

A very late message from me. love this idea, I was wondering how you all planned to do the scary/dark parts in the form of a musical? Hangout with loop, "I got it!" etc.

[old radish]

Well, if you want to see what we have so far we have the slides.

[eager turtle]

i think i found that - the google presentation right?

[old radish]

I’ve done Loop Hangout art, and…Hat Crime I think? has done “I got it!”

Yep! I should really try to get that pinned.

[eager turtle]

Yes please lol

And sounds good, still trying to understnad how far yall are, i'll have to read up on quite a bit

Is this going to be in a similar format to Undertale the Musical?

[old radish]

Fair! I’ve basically figured out the plot and what we are including- but we have no songs.

[old radish]

Well, the goal is to maybe have this be possible to perform.

[eager turtle]

Oh wow, that's ambitious but if it happens i'd be so happy

And song wise are you planning to make all originals or add lyrics to the OST?

[old radish]

I think all originals, but we haven't put much thought into it. Loop (the person in this channel not the character) has added lyrics to How Can I Hlpe You, Stardust, but most of the rest have been original, I think.

@native burrow I feel weird pinging someone, but I might as well try.

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1FbjaIEOwepB6gF0ieRHPxrHLtU7REHnGN-fFfD1j2vw/edit?usp=sharing

Can we get that pinned somehow?

Or maybe something like. um

Hey! Here's the slideshow with all the notes on the musical we are making so far! Everyone should be anonymous (except for Eilla since they created it) so no worries there! Feel free to edit what you wish to. I trust you all! I think. : https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1FbjaIEOwepB6gF0ieRHPxrHLtU7REHnGN-fFfD1j2vw/edit?usp=sharing

[eager turtle]

Yeah thats the one I was thinking of, We're with You sounds like it'dbe one of the easier ones to put lyrics over

[old radish]

Thank you very very much!!!

[eager turtle]

woot woot

[old radish]

If we are genuinly trying to make a real musical, it feels wrong using the OST I feel?

But if we are leaning into the 'it's a fan thing who cares' vibes we probably could go more Undertale the Musical with it.

[native burrow]

you'd have to ask lindar about it

[old radish]

I just. Don't want to. (Nothing against Undertale the Musical lol)

[eager turtle]

Yeah it depends on the scale of things. Obviously the Man on the Internet ones kind of evolved from that format but still probably stick to that formula. Definitely gives a different vibe if you want to do all originals or reusing OST. and then permissions and whatnot

Making originals might be tough but would certaintly be fun

the OST can still be used for vibe-references

[old radish]

It feels illegal to use them. Even if we were to use the originals, we'd still have to ask permissions and then make them work.

Definitly want to get the tone from the originals!

I think we suggested early on to start Dormont's 'Welcome to the Show!' (that's my name and I'm sticking to it) with the normal Dormont theme, or at least a reference to it.

Like the whole 'is that the first four notes of megalovania' 'you can't prove anything'

Apparently I do have thoughts on the music actually. I have a lot of thoughts on this musical.

[eager turtle]

YES YOU DO

lol

as you should if you are running this!

[old radish]

Running this???

No....,.,,.

I wouldn't randomly take up responsibilty for an entire fan made musical?

Who would do that????

No way....

[eager turtle]

presumptuous of me, i assumed so because you made the slides. obviously there are more than 1 person involved

[old radish]

It's a bit like a group project. Where one person puts in like 80% of the work. But in this case that one person keeps gesturing to the 20% and going: "Look at that! That's the cool parts!!!"

(Rest of the ISAT Musical channel I mean that in the most positive way I love y'all so much. )

Anyways. I have food to eat. I got a bit sidetracked.

[eager turtle]

sounds good! thanks for introducing me to the project and all the art ive seen for this looks great!

[old radish]

Of course! I hope you enjoy this chaotic mess!

[wispy geyser]

woaohohohoh story of undertale...

woaohohohoh story of in stars and time............

[old radish]

So much blood, so much tears. Just to see the sun (for the first time) in years. /song reference

[wispy geyser]

dreamt you ate a star
woke to a voice from far
mira asking where you are
this is in stars and time

siffrin does this on one of the loops in the musical and loop immediately calls them and tells them "NO, we are NOT doing this. Start over."

[old radish]

Everyone launches into the Dormont theme and Siffrin is just ignoring them muttering ‘should I be a pacifist. Or should I use my fists…’ /j

[eager turtle]

Is that even the musical? I thought that was a parody

[wispy geyser]

act 5

[eager turtle]

When yourrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr whoolle worrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrld is goooooooooooooooing maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

Just sit back and it WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONT BEEEEEEEEEEEE SO BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

to be fair that's deltarune

[old radish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opUb5hdzRRA

[old radish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MobkO51msMI

[wispy geyser]

sorry but if you say "undertale the musical" people are gonna think of the meme

[old radish]

two very different levels of quality.

[eager turtle]

I think my faovrite is fallen down reprise

[eager turtle]

family guy animation 💀

[old radish]

That's a very good one! My personally favorite is Reunited. Elevated that song from 'nice but kinda forgettable' to one of my favorites.

[old radish]

The animation in that video..... urg.

[eager turtle]

yeah i have thoughts about it LMAO

[wispy geyser]

or i guess just yells from the crowd since the joke was musical. throws a tomato at them

loop starts throwing tomatoes during bad touch

[old radish]

Implied two hats spoilers

This is the first thing I've drawn today.

[old radish]

Do we keep Memories in the play? That feels like a weird game mechanic to include, but some are pretty are important... namely memory of memories. Memory and Self and Memory of Looping mean a lot to me- the way that as the loops go on, you get so many 'better' memories than whatever you had before. And the way that Memory of Looping gets stronger the longer this goes on....very nice and symbolic. Memory of Looping does 'introduce' Loop- but eh. It'll work just fine without it. (Hey wait. Was that intentional. The first time Siffrin really acknowledges Loop....is after getting Memory of Looping. Hey.) Memory of Touch could be left out- it's hard hitting, hearing Loop uncomftorable to do the task they gave themself about explaining each memory, and the -50 to all stats,,, but only because we are comfy with memories that give boons. Without that it surely doesn't hit as hard? Memory of Sadnesses could be shown instead of told- Siffrin glares at a sadness post "I Got It!" and it skitters away. Memory of Emptiness (act 5) could also just be shown- no need to point it out. Though that also has some nice implications to it ("Nothing comes to mind, hahaha!"). For a non Siffrin game mechanic moment, what of Lovely Moving Cure? Will we adress it in the play? Is that worth it? It's an important part of Mira's story. ....this was all brought on by the Keyknife prompt making me think of God Call. And the Change God fourth wall breaking there to start explaining about you getting a memory (how kind!).

[wispy geyser]

i dont think the memories really matter, story wise, because all of the memories are representative of something else

[old radish]

That's what I was thinking

How do we do memory of memories then....

Siffrin just learning to read their language feels.....peculiar.

[wispy geyser]

memory of looping getting stronger is the same thematically as siffrin levelling up, which is itself just a game mechanic themed reflection of siffrin's increasing familiarity with the threats of the house

and memory of memories is just siff having pushed themselves to remember to the point where they literally broke the universe a bit and then died, and coming out of it with a slightly cleared mental block, i think?

[old radish]

I completely agree with that- representing things like Memory of Sadnesses, and Memory of Emptiness isn't too tough without adressing them directly.

[wispy geyser]

memory of touch is just "pack it up fellas we've made a social blunder"

[old radish]

I just don't know how to naturally be like "Stardust, I know you just watched the Kid die, but could you like. Go away and try reading now?"

[wispy geyser]

but yeah as a rule of thumb for memories i dont think they need to have attention called to them as specific things because they themselves only exist to reflect otherwise existing aspects of siffrin's mind
just seems unneccesary in a non-game context

besides the move learning ones which i dont know why they exist or how they exist

[wispy geyser]

something like siffrin going "for a moment, i remembered..." probably?

it seems like more of an internal thing

[old radish]

Lovely Moving Cure but I am going to have to sneak it in retroactively because that's actually kinda important.

^Completely forgot Mira couldn't cure time freeze until the loops

[wispy geyser]

i dont know if i ever equipped the memories of moves

[old radish]

I have....never played ISAT. For real.

[wispy geyser]

how could you do this

[old radish]

I like watching people play games more than doing it myself!!!

[wispy geyser]

iirc there is exactly One regular enemy that can freeze you

and once you know that you can just

Leave

the flee option is guaranteed

[old radish]

But like. Bosses.

[wispy geyser]

im pretty sure bosses cant freeze you until you probably already know how to not be frozen

[old radish]

(Sadnesses fought in the musical: The tutorial enemy, Big Ball Head, Nostalgie, and one on floor three)

[wispy geyser]

i think the floor three boss can freeze you?

thats how it was the only time i died to a non-king enemy

or maybe i just got kille

[old radish]

"Geez, Stardust, where's the RPG element in your loops?"

I think the floor two one can....?

[wispy geyser]

"What, do you want me to buy a gun??"

[old radish]

"RPG? Like. Rose Printed Glasses????"

[wispy geyser]

"Stardust, do you even know what 'Rose tinted glasses' means?"

[old radish]

I'm guessing that he does if they named an attack after it.

[wispy geyser]

tinted...

do you think the expression like
survived from the color era

nobody knows what tinted means outside of that one expression

[old radish]

It could have. Or maybe rose is just another shade.

Obligatory: did you know the color orange was named after the fruit?

[wispy geyser]

and the fruit was named after the tree

iirc

[old radish]

Sounds right to me!

What the crab.....colors refrenced in ISAT.........

[wispy geyser]

when the tint is rose

[eager turtle]

Well I would assume the more game mechanic ones don’t matter too much but obviously the lore-related memories like memory of promise

Are important to have in there and maybe even worth a song

[old radish]

I did not include stupid rotten adults-

That’s rotten adults memory right

Imma assume it is. I did not include it since I removed the room, and felt that was a bit too much to track. Plus, by the time that we would have gotten through enough loops to get it, we would probably have gotten family loop. And by that point, I’m forcing a ‘who cares’ vibe onto Siffrin for the next few loops a little to speed things up.

The real question is ‘name dropping’ the memories. Are they that important? Memory of Memories feels like the only Memory that really is needed, and we could probably include it some other way without addressing the whole ‘oh yeah memories exist’ thing.

[old radish]

I have come up with an evil idea. (Does not elaborate)

[eager turtle]

cruelty

[old radish]

Optional achievement spoilers (||who|| was ||phone||): ||Bad art quality since I didn't want to spend anymore time on this set of images This is what I was referring to. Siffrin is being bullied by a god. ||

[old radish]

I just realized. Because of the decision to remove the clocktower, I turned 'let's meet at the clocktower for a sleepover' to 'let's meet at the House's Gate'. The picnic with Isabeau is so cursed now. 'Hey Sif! I know that you came here to ask me to meet at the House's Gate so we can save Vaugarde, but do you want to stargaze and have a picnic first? "

Isa honey. We have priorities.

[wispy geyser]

why'd you remove the clocktower

[old radish]

Felt like it might take too much time! A dinnner, falling asleep, Isa's confession, and heading there and back felt like a fair bit of stuff to include when most could be moved around. Honestly, it could probably be included, but the idea of forcing Siffrin to fall asleep inbetween Dormont and the House felt like a lot to include in early loops- the banana being found much later and all.

[wispy geyser]

could always move the banana earlier as an alternative solution

but fair

[vivid quail]

Hmm maybe isa is nervous and asks sif to watch the Stars with him to calm his nerves. I would imagine that they would meet up at the gate the next day so it would be cute for them to fall asleep under the stars.

Also I've been thinking about sif looping! Imagine when he dies the there's a black out except for a doll (of sif) far upstage that gets lifted (so it looks like he's floating) and then dramatically pulled off stage

[old radish]

An interesting idea!

[vivid quail]

Thanks!

Instead of calling the first song "welcome to the show" What if it was called "get on stage, siffrin" and after looping it would be "back to the stage siffrin"

Just a thought lol

[old radish]

A good suggestion! However, I really like achievement names. In that same vein, perhaps 'Welcome to the Show' and 'Welcome Back to the Show'?

Granted, the song names are placeholders.

Except optional event ||God Call||. I will not budge on ||God Call||.

[vivid quail]

lol

[vivid quail]

Fair

No 2. I imagine would be called good morning siffrin! As it would be a fun Mira song OH at the end it would be fun if it was “…are you okay siffrin?”

When it gets closer to the depressing zone it could be “good morning siffrin?” And then “…good morning siffrin?…”

As she gets more concerned lol

[wispy geyser]

||what if the change god song sounds like a disney princess song until the siffrin part where it of course gets ominous (but still keeps the same general rhythm)||

[vivid quail]

lol

[wispy geyser]

||something something something "but its great to see you change in ways unknown" "but wait-" "nope! i'm hanging up the phone. :)"||

[vivid quail]

lol

I love that

[old radish]

Lyrics! In the musical chat!

[wispy geyser]

me when i

[vivid quail]

(Yes I am invested in this isat musical idea) maybe when they get to the house, the curtains are closed with the projector showing the gate. There could be columns where they put the keys and the curtains open to reveal the house

I’ve been thinking of making the first song lol

[old radish]

Have you seen the pinned message Tundra?

[vivid quail]

Yup 😅

I was calculating how many songs and how much dialogue there would be if this was a 3 hour show (not including intermission)

[old radish]

I am overthinking everything BUT the music. Because it scares me. Rhyming? Meter? Keys??? Lyrics???? Making them tie into ISAT and setting up for future loops?!?! It's just a lot! That's why instead I am drawing literally the entire thing first.

I need to finish up Dormont. And what townsfolk are in there.

[vivid quail]

I’ve got the music lol!

I’m just in the calculation phase

How long the songs need to be and everything

[old radish]

Here's me overthinking Loop Zero.

Feel free to completely ignore it if you wish. It's just for me.

[vivid quail]

Also for characters - siffrin would probably be a tenor, odile alto?, iza baritone, Mira mezzo, and Bonnie soprano?

[old radish]

I.......think I agree if I rember what those words are correctly.

[vivid quail]

I think the king should be bass, and the head can be soprano

[vivid quail]

lol

[old radish]

King on a bass guitar-

[vivid quail]

😭

Loop would be a tenor if siffrin is probably

[old radish]

I think we decided Loop actor and Mal Du Pays actor are the same, so does that make Mal a tenor?

[vivid quail]

I would imagine loop a tenor but trying to sing like an alto

[vivid quail]

Hm

Well it also sings like the other characters right

[old radish]

Stars I want to work on Mal Du Pays but I need to show restaint and work on the rougher parts of this thing. That fight is just so interesting!

[vivid quail]

So the other characters could come on stage with a spotlight

[old radish]

This fights a bit strange, but someone suggested having them sing their own lines.

Yeah! Or maybe not visually there..?

Hidden in the shadows, or spotlighted. One or the other...

[vivid quail]

Hm while that’s an interesting idea, I think it adds more if they are silent. I think it should be a siff carried song

“Answer me!!!” Kinda thing

[old radish]

i meant like. Mira sings her lines

[vivid quail]

OH or we could do puppets

[vivid quail]

Oh yeah

I thought that was already part of it

lol

[old radish]

Granted, Mal does sing at the end...... or maybe we could have Siffrin do those as well, acting like they are Mal? Since Mal speaks (Like this, like it's one of Siffrin's thoughts)

[vivid quail]

Hm

Maybe

[old radish]

It might have been. I know that Mal Du Pays has been tossed about a fair bit here, ideas wise.

[old radish]

Play with the most puppets award. /silly

Mal using a hand puppet of Mira....

[vivid quail]

OH Have you seen those scenes in stage play with those screens that only show the silhouettes of the actors

And then sif could sing but be turned around to make it look like mal is singing

There would be 5 panels

[old radish]

Uh. Like this...?

Fun fact I do not know anything about musicals. Despite this project.

[vivid quail]

Oop-

lol

[old radish]

oh wait I have an idea of what you coud mean

one sec

[vivid quail]

One moment let me find one

[old radish]

This type of thing???

[vivid quail]

Yess

Here’s one

Then siff looks up at them

Also I promise I can draw better- I’m just on my phone lol

[old radish]

Fair lol

[vivid quail]

I feel it would make things easier cause the actors could just get behind the screen. Someone could dress like sif and when they sing the just move

[old radish]

hmmmmm okay I think I get it?? un momento

[vivid quail]

lol

[old radish]

Absolutely awful sketch but. Like this?

[vivid quail]

Kinda yeah!

[old radish]

Kinda? This has been the best Mal idea suggested so far (in my unbiased opinion /j), and I'm curious!

[vivid quail]

But the panels would be way further up stage (that's a theater term for towards the back)

I think it would be cool for the stage to have two floors as well

[old radish]

Thank you for clarifying in non theatre terms.

[vivid quail]

DKNDJJSNSNDJNDNDN

[vivid quail]

Yup!

[old radish]

Only bad drawings because I am tired.

?

[vivid quail]

Here's a chart if u need it(left and rights are the actor's left and rights not the audience!!!)

[vivid quail]

You've got it!

[loud inlet]

I think u have a great idea yeah! I've done some shows in high school with shadow stuff like this and it works really good for mal!

[vivid quail]

Maybe a spotlight of sif as well for the reaction

[old radish]

I think Mal and shadows just makes sense!

[vivid quail]

I just thought it would be easier without getting a twin of sif lol

[old radish]

Aw. If we do this, the glowy black cloak is no longer used though outside of ghosts, and technically the ghosts aren't meant to look like that. I might have to get rid of that costume idea.

[vivid quail]

Lol

[loud inlet]

Maybe they come out from behind the shadow when mal gets in sif's face at the end of that encounter?

[old radish]

Oh that is so dramatic. And then the whole 'they don't look like the Siffrin actor' thing could maybe be ignored since this moment is quick?

(I'm gonna have to transcribe this whole chat to the musical slides. )

[vivid quail]

Also song lyrics "sif! Siffrin!!" (Spoken, music starts) "Good morning siffrin! How was your rest? Good idea cause tomorrow will be the real test! Looks like you're still half asleep, don't take too long, I'll be waiting at the town so follow me(^√=~✓√\~)

[vivid quail]

Hmm. Maybe those comedy masks that usually are portrayed in theater

🎭

[old radish]

Oh that is so clever

[loud inlet]

ooooh that's cool

[vivid quail]

Cause sif like stage play

[old radish]

Where did I put the. ONe sec

[vivid quail]

Lol

I have so many ideas for this it's not even funny-

I would record the song ideas but it's like 5 In the morning

[old radish]

Theatre mask coded individual

(This is my art)

[loud inlet]

oooh!

[vivid quail]

That would be fun!

Then we wouldn't need the screens lol

Also where would the hold all of the masks

*they

[old radish]

I honestly forgot this was an option. The masks would maybe be tough to see? I don't know. How do musicals work would that be hard to see???

Wherever the Change God has all their masks in their song /j

[vivid quail]

Depends on the lighting

[old radish]

It's going to be so dark if we want the contrast for the Power of Love moment

But spotlights

Heh. Power of Love (that's the song that plays when your family show up at the king fight in act 5) is going to flashbang the audience. We should probably make that more gradual than in game.

[vivid quail]

Also idk if this was an idea already but when they are wandering through the house they could go into the actual house (a theater term for audience) and wander through there

[old radish]

They call the audience 'the house'???

[vivid quail]

Mhm

[old radish]

I am stunned Siffrin did not reference this in game

[loud inlet]

Yeah!!

[vivid quail]

That’s why I thought it would be funny

[loud inlet]

Lol

[vivid quail]

They use it in theater terms like “turn the house lights on”

[loud inlet]

there's also like front of house which is where you come into the theater lol

[vivid quail]

Actually fair point-

[old radish]

Oh! I HAVE heard that term before but never connected the dots mentally!!

[vivid quail]

lol

[old radish]

That, however, I have not heard before.

[vivid quail]

lol

[vivid quail]

Maybe because it would get to confusing if u didn’t do theater lol

[loud inlet]

true

[old radish]

I would've picked up on it! ..probably!

[loud inlet]

I don't think the house being named what it is was intentionally making that connection but it's really funny

[old radish]

I mean. 'Act 1: Scene 1: Dormont' is a line from the game

[vivid quail]

It just reminded me of that one scene where it was like “so the house is the religion” odile?“and it’s also the (Idk remember what they said here” “a house is also where people live” -Isa

[old radish]

pfft

[vivid quail]

lol

[loud inlet]

a house is also where the audience is lol

[vivid quail]

Siffrin could say that lol

Then the rest of the party could stare at him awkwardly

lol

[loud inlet]

or also can refer to the theater in general tbh

[vivid quail]

Fair

[old radish]

'So The House of Change is the religion?' 'And a house is where we are right now(?)!' 'And there's more than one House in Vaugarde!' 'And a house is where people live! 'And an house is also where the audience is!!' "Vaugardian is such a confusing language"

[vivid quail]

It’s most known as the audience tho

[vivid quail]

Yesss

[loud inlet]

true

[vivid quail]

U found the line! (How the heck did u find it so fast

[old radish]

'So The House of Change is the religion?'
'And a house is where we are right now(?)!'
'And there's more than one House in Vaugarde!'
And a house is where people live!'
'And an house is also where the audience is!!'
"...Vaugardian is such a confusing language"

[old radish]

I have it memorized. You know. Like a normal person creating an entire musical on one game.

[vivid quail]

What the heck.

[loud inlet]

lol

[vivid quail]

lol

[vivid quail]

U scare me

[old radish]

I think I have consumed like 200 hours of people playing the game just to try to get the order of this play down, and more just for fun.

[vivid quail]

I finished the game like on Saturday and i wasn’t even playing-

[old radish]

I have not actually played ISAT myself.

[vivid quail]

Oh wow

My friend was and I watched

[loud inlet]

I mean I've played thru it myself and watched some playthrus but not nearly that much that's a lot lol

[vivid quail]

lol

[old radish]

For some reason, when I play games, I watch people play and then like two years later play it myself. This has happened multiple times (Undertale, Omori, Hollow Knight, probably more). I will get to ISAT...eventually.

[vivid quail]

lol

I play it once then draw a bunch of fanart

[loud inlet]

That's fair! I did that with undertale played the game like a year after I watched videos on it initially

[vivid quail]

I made 43 sprites like these in 2 days

[loud inlet]

Now I actually tend to playthrough part of a game and then watch a playthrough along with it as I go sometimes

[old radish]

"I don't have the energy to play an entire game right now! ...However, I will spend month converting the entire thing into a musical." -My brain apparently

[vivid quail]

Yup.

[loud inlet]

those are so cute!!

[vivid quail]

This was like on act 3

[vivid quail]

Ty!

[vivid quail]

What’s the first loop chat

First 5 Lines

[old radish]

Oh crab I am being tested

[vivid quail]

Yup

[loud inlet]

you're getting quizzed

[old radish]

"Hello stranger" "My, struck speechless at the sight of me! You're so cute, Stardust!"

"(Stardust?)"

Something about "I shouldn't be questioning why you look so surprised. Considering this is your first loop and all!"

But I feel as though I am missing things

[vivid quail]

lol

[old radish]

Loop calls them Siffrin, and Siffrin responds with "How do you know my name!" "Why, your Siffrin! No middle names, no last names. I know aobut you, I know about your party, I know about your loops, I know about that funny silver coin you carry-"

"OKAY CAN YOU STOP TALKING"

"Alright, just take a deep breath in..... and out..... whew!" or something

Wait I missed a part

Loop says that sif should calm down

And Sif goes all (your head is killing you and your lungs are hurting and your heart is beating like it's about to explode so you probably should.)

I need to stop

This is not the channel for this

[loud inlet]

The parts you got are spot on but you do miss some bits which is fine pffft

[old radish]

I could tell stuff was missing.

It is now 1 AM here. i should probably be asleep and not- You know. Reciting the first Loop conversation from memory. However, this has been very fun! (Watch me come in here in like 5 minutes and keep chatting like I didn't try to go to bed-)

[loud inlet]

Yeah it's also late for me it's 2 am I gotta go to bed

this was fun!

[old radish]

Goodnight everyone!

[old radish]

That part I did know!

[vivid quail]

lol

[old radish]

I did miss ‘A star’ but that is a thought not a sentence

[vivid quail]

I guess u have to play it again /j

[old radish]

*for the first time /silly

[vivid quail]

I said the first 5 LINES actually/lh

[old radish]

[vivid quail]

lol

Also I’m guessing we aren’t worrying about the cost so wouldn’t it be cool if we flied (theater term that basically means you hang it from a rope and the scene u want it u pull it down like a curtain) fishing line with fake stars attached and in dormont have like clouds

NO

I SEE U TYPING

[old radish]

Cost? Budget? Time restraints? Never heard of them.

[vivid quail]

SLEEP

lol

[old radish]

Then don’t chat silly!

[vivid quail]

lol

Sleep!

Every less hour of sleep is how many times siff has to loop lol

[old radish]

He’ll be fine. Look at them. They’ll be fine!

[vivid quail]

[old radish]

Okay okay okay genuinly muting Discord and going to bed. Have fun!

[vivid quail]

Kk!

[vivid quail]

"get back on the stage siffrin, no time to hesitate. Get your act together siffrin, you've got a house to save. ... You've got no time to worry about losing with a blessing from the change God. Step on stage, queue the lights, and follow the damn script" (end of act 2? Or when u ||die from the king||)

[bronze fjord]

Hi! I’m interested in this but don’t have the time to read all the messages. What’s going on rn with it?

[hot folio]

I know I keep rolling back to the loop right after the end of act 3, but I’m still obsessed with the idea of there being no singing until Sif chills out and ||Bonnie is NOT DEAD|| and Mira’s intro song is cut off like two words into her opening song

And it’s like the musicians are confused

He completely breaks the song order

[old radish]

We do have a pinned slideshow, but basically it’s just a whole lot of thinking about what should be a hypothetical show, but is slowly actually feeling real.

[hot folio]

“🎵Wake up it’s a big day-“
“Where’s Bonnie?”
“[speaking, music still going like it usually does] Bonnie?”

[bronze fjord]

Alr, I’ll check that out and I’ll definitely try to contribute with some music/lyrics

[old radish]

Only if you want to! Any contribution is always appreciated.

[bronze fjord]

oki, I've gotten through the 200 pages of the slideshow. I got a bit confused sometimes but I want to focus on contributing instrumentals so it's not too important that I understand all the stage directions etc. Is there a list of all the songs that are gonna be included? (other than the list of motifs) I wanna get started on making some instrumentals

[old radish]

I. Am meant to be asleep but. ISAT the musical comes first.

The slideshow is me doing my absolutely best to throw ideas at the wall so. My bad. Songs wise, honesty I’ve no clue.

Mal probably has a song, God Call definitely exists, it would be strange not having act 6 have a little ‘finale’ song, of course Two Hats would get one, Loop probably has one for the favor tree interactions that varies a lot between loops, and Dormont has one that. I am still trying to get ‘what happens per loop’ done on.

Granted. All of this is changeable.

We have scattered lyrics, and an attempt at organized plot, but zero combination of the two.

I’d absolutely love to talk more but I should have been asleep like an hour ago.

[bronze fjord]

but I'll maybe try to make a list of all the songs mentioned in the slideshow?? mostly just to get it all in one easy to read place

[bronze fjord]

we have prologue at home

anyway, I just made this quickly to get down the idea so it could be made longer if needed and I can also change the instruments

and it's basically prologue, but I thought it'd be better to have a song (heavily) inspired by the soundtrack instead of just straight up using it. I'll probably borrow the motifs from the soundtrack so that people familiar with the game can recognise them

[bronze fjord]

recreated the notes from the theme so that I can steal them later

[bronze fjord]

small idea for background music in loop 1. It's the dormont theme but slightly offset and then it gets back to how it's supposed to at the end (as Siffrin gets to his senses, so to speak)

felt it gave the vibe of being taken slightly off guard while not being too unsettling (that's for later )

[bronze fjord]

I can't decide where this would fit, but probably in dormont since the chords are literally the dormont chords

sorry for spamming with ideas and not finished stuff, but I wanna share

[hot folio]

God dammit I wish I wasn’t on my phone for this

I managed to half hear the first one that’s cool as hell

[bronze fjord]

thanks

I'm working on themes for all the main characters now

idea for making this a semi-real thing where everyone who wants to can contribute (it's probably been suggested before, but I'll write it just in case) We edit it like a radio play (voicelines and music) and then add art to show off the visual ideas too. I think that would be a cool video and an accessible way to share our ideas. It's wayyyyy in the future though, but it's an idea

should I make a theme for siffrin or should that just be the main theme?

it would work with the main theme because all of the other character themes follow the chord progression of Dormont so they can fit better into an intro song, but the main theme doesn't and that could symbolise how Siffrin feels disconnected from the world

here are the themes I've made so far
Dormont (literally from the ost) -> Mirabelle -> Odile -> Bonnie -> Isabeau
The instruments are just the most basic I could find. Every character could have their own slightly different instrument in the intro song and then instruments change for callbacks so that they fit the song it's in better

anyways, that's it for me today. I'll probably do more during the weekend. Feel free to give me feedback (both positive and negative) so that I know what works and what doesn't when I continue

[old radish]

I can’t look at this all right now. But I want to so so badly.

[hot folio]

Suggestions for Loop (TWOHATS SPOILERS)

• Loop’s theme is ||Sif’s theme but inverted|| but done in such a way that it isn’t obvious until you listen to it a second time.
• the bit where Sif ||correctly|| guesses “are you me?” and there’s no backing track while Loop loses their mind laughing until they’re able to get a word in ||and some backing element of Sif’s theme filters in|| and then the music starts up as normal, albeit subdued for a moment while Loop composes themselves
• The Coin Part in A6 is when ||the Sif motifs|| start appearing and then it’s really obvious in “how can you help me stardust” ||when Sif’s motifs are wicked obvious just in Loop’s instruments and theming||

In the first instance, their theme from the game is still in there, with those ||inverted Sif Motifs|| popping up when they’re singing

Also the Cringe Comp (skimming through multiple loops portion) it’s that one fight theme that was in the trailer that’s a bop

But messed with a little bit for the musical

https://youtu.be/p_GvIAWayrw?si=et677Toubw16N5la this one

[old radish]

We probably don’t want to reference the pre existing music too much.

Can definitely take inspiration, but. Hm.

Also that’s literally just the boss theme Manny.

[hot folio]

Oh

But yeah that’s what I meant about “messing with it” like alluding to it

References the Vibes

[hot folio]

When the Friend Quest themes get figured out I want to do at least a concept of the Act 5 versions

I love reprisals

Motifs are my weak point but I can sure make different versions of it based on a vibe, especially in something like the uneasy drop in Act 5

[bronze fjord]

[loud inlet]

This sounds really nice!! (I was only just able to listen to it since I got on my laptop lol)

[old radish]

Hey, that's what this place is for! Share whatever you want! (I am loving finally getting to read this haha)

Just listened to the Dormont and Character themes!!! Whoa!!!!!! That was so cool!!!!

I wish I could tell who was who's better, but the part that I think was Bonnie's and was all bouncy is so fun! It fits them so well!!!

Stars this is going to be all I'm thinking about

[old radish]

Watch me learn to blinding animate just to make ISAT the musical real on some level /j /j /j /j /j /j /j

..or is it.

no no no I can't do that.

I do not have time

[bronze fjord]

I can upload all the themes separately so it’s more clear who’s who But I’m glad you like it!!! Bonnie’s theme is my fav tbh. I actually put some thought into how each theme should sound instead of just randomly adding notes so I can explain my thought process if you wanna hear

[old radish]

If you want to, please do! I may or may not be the world's biggest fan of this project and think music and motifs are incredivly interesting. (I'm headed to bed soon, so I may not respond immediately but I probably will eventuallly. )

[bronze fjord]

okay, so the arpeggiator in the background kinda symbolises dormont, so Odile's theme doesn't have it in the background because she doesn't have that much of a connection to Dormont because of her family situation.
Mirabelle's theme is meant to be bouncy and sweet to represent her. The notes are long and consistent to show how she sticks to change tradition but changes the rhythm near the end to show how she actually doesn't want to
Bonnie's theme is off-beat and jumps all over the place since they're a child and has a lot of energy. I tried to incorporate some of the other character's themes at the end to show how they look up to the other characters, but I don't know how obvious it is
Isabeau's theme has lower notes and a slower rhythm to represent that he's strong and more masculine than the other's. The arpeggiator switches rhythm mostly because it sounds cool, but also because it fits the slower melody
Odile's theme has short notes and simple patterns to show that she's methodical and analytical. Like Mirabelle's theme it has a consistent rhythm which here doesn't represent tradition, but represents more experience and confidence. Like she knows what to do and doesn't hesitate and therefore all her notes are consistent

[old radish]

Yippie!!

I am going to have to learn how to incorporate these into the slides, because these are so very good.

[bronze fjord]

thanks

[old radish]

I was right in my guesses as to whose was whose. Mira’s is my favorite, very closely followed by Bonnie’s. They are both so incredibly charming.

And the arpeggios not making it into Odile’s is very clever!!

Very fitting themes.

[bronze fjord]

I'll try to make a mockup of what could be the opening (welcome to the show). I sorta abandoned the list of songs since I got distracted and made music instead, but I could try to finish it today too

[old radish]

I want to work on the musical right now so badly. But I always want to work on the musical and if I don’t pace myself I will burn out, and I never want to do that. I’m sticking this project out. It’s just so blinding cool!!!

Also it’s midnight. So.

Do whatever you want. I’ll be happy to see literally anything.

Now I’m going to actually go to bed before I get too tired to type.

[bronze fjord]

good plan, I should pace myself too, but it's the weekend and I have nothing to do. I'll take breaks though!

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3mmY0w1zXsOkCst88Ffx7i?si=_8ElQUUjQximsRkQoC_Yrg&pi=e-JujMbjGIRQeJ&pt=0b1ee43bdb39cbc3d31b03b9c95d2463

For those of you who have Spotify, here’s a collaborative playlist where we can put inspirations

[old radish]

You should put Pandora Palace from Deltarune on there for me. /half joking

The entire art of act 1 and like 75% of act 2 and 40% of acts three and four was done with that song on loop.

[bronze fjord]

I put it on there

btw, I think it'd be cool if the king's voice is layered like the nowhere king's in centaurworld (whispers and such in the background) to make him sound bigger and more threatening

[old radish]

Centaurworld referenced ‼️

[bronze fjord]

Idea: the act 6 song is like battle round (characters slowly layering parts)

[bronze fjord]

idea for the intro for at least the first king fight. there's a lot of space for the king to talk here (I could easily add more) and after it cuts off I want to do something big (idk what yet) that makes it like boss battle music

also king's theme????

[hot folio]

well you got this buildup bit, it sounded like it was about to pop off

I like the bass referencing the castle theme

[bronze fjord]

that was unintentional

[bronze fjord]

my biggest problem while making music is getting the payoff right. sometimes it just sounds like even more buildup, but I'm trying to get the next part to a place where I'm happy to share

[hot folio]

ah man I totally get it

[bronze fjord]

here are the ideas I've got so far
intro (speaking with the king) -> fighting the king -> losing against the king -> winning against the king
I played around with time signatures, idk how well it'd work in a full song but I'm currently just brainstorming and am gonna clean up later

[hot folio]

oooooh the slowdown for the losing is great!

and the soft victory :D

[bronze fjord]

I chose kinda weird chords (I played it on guitar before converting it to midi) so that they can easily sound more twisted later

[bronze fjord]

I feel like the transition between the first and second part is too sudden. what do y'all think? I can't get it to work in my brain

[bronze fjord]

‼️ two hats ‼️working on ||loop's|| theme rn and I think I'm using 3/4 signature to represent the island (those that come from it have it in their themes)

wait, this is an all spoilers zone right? I don't need to spoiler stuff?

[old radish]

Act based spoilers are safe

However, things like two hats and optional achievements ||like ‘who is phone’|| should still be spoilered.

[bronze fjord]

oki

[old radish]

The king fight theme that just kept slowing down was really really good. It sounds like we are slowing down.

[bronze fjord]

that was the idea

I'm reading through the slideshow again and got an idea
what if loop always speaks in rhymes? (at least when there's a song playing in the background) So even their spoken dialogue seems singsongy
alternatively, loop follows the rhythm of the song while speaking and siffrin doesn't

[hot folio]

It could be a case by case basis like the harder they’re deflecting the more they rhyme

Like after the first win against the king

Meanwhile in the “SURE!!! I’m YOU” laughing fit the rhyming/rhythm goes out the window a moment (course the music is paused for the moment in this instance)

[loud inlet]

Yeah I feel like that moment is just the music cuts out because loop is just dying laughing lol

[hot folio]

And more serious moments like when they’re just hanging out is the rhythm matching

[old radish]

The song is starting up as normal, and then Siffrin guesses who they are, and it stutters to a lurching halt as Loop just breaks into cackling laughter. They recover after a bit too long to be natural, then clear their throat. And THEN the music finally comes back.

[hot folio]

Honestly they’d probably stop the rhythm matching at the bit before the act 4 hangout ends.
The backing song is the King Loss thing but like it’s in the distance.

[old radish]

“Who did the King just kill?”

[hot folio]

That bit is just an ominous drone

Then it stops

[loud inlet]

I feel like it would be less of a cut off and the music slowly fades into that

[old radish]

Also. Act 4 hangout? You got it in act 4?

[hot folio]

I know it’s after Bonnie

[old radish]

(It’s possible, I just haven’t seen it happen to someone yet!)

[hot folio]

Or at least from Jello’s stream it was after Bonnie

[old radish]

You can actually get it partway through King Quest quest line, so many get it then.

[hot folio]

Huh

[old radish]

Did Jello get it in act 4??

[loud inlet]

I don’t remember when I got it tbh

[hot folio]

I feel like it fits better in Act 4?

[old radish]

I placed it in act 3 ‘intermission’ (death compilation), since at the time I was making the slides I genuinely had no clue what triggered it. And to be honest I’m still not 100% sure.

[hot folio]

Fair point!

It works better to have that and it still being fresh when Bonnie happens

Or wait

Friend quests> loop hangout (damn friends didn’t work let’s just theorize here)> Bonnie

[old radish]

That’s the order it’s in currently.

[hot folio]

Oh yeah

[old radish]

Hey, nice to see you agree!

[hot folio]

IIRC you have the “where are we from” and “say it’s name” parts combined

[old radish]

Wait. Actually wait they may be unseparated now.

[hot folio]

O:

[old radish]

Um. We do have the slides! It should be during the intermission bit.

[loud inlet]

Idk how this would translate to the show because I feel like some of Sif’s internal dialogue works on stage and some doesn’t, but if Sif still had the moment where they’re thinking about what loop is saying in their head they could end up saying that in a similar rhythm/way to how loop usually speaks anyway but like with the ominous vibes in the background

[hot folio]

2 hats ||still distinctly different from loop but a second watch through you’re like “….HM” ||

[loud inlet]

YEAH

Two hats || As someone who’s done some acting I’m just thinking about how it would be fun if this was like an actual thing for the Siffrin and Loop actors figuring out like little similarities in body language or things like that that can hint towards a connection, like even in game there’s so many little hints towards things with those two ||

[old radish]

I found how to add audio to the slides!!! I am unstoppable!!!!! /silly

[bronze fjord]

Eyyyyy

[old radish]

Oh this is so cool. Now to just. Do it correctly.

[bronze fjord]

Gl

[old radish]

I even managed to get Hat Crime's Youtube video in the slides.

[old radish]

Reading back through this, and. Yeah. Same hat...

I like the idea of giving Siffrin a theme, because they are the main character, but I already decided that if I were to do motifs there would definitly be one for wishing, and especially for Siffrin's wish. So it felt like doubling up on something that there should only really be one of. Maybe, Siffrin has a motif, and part of that motif is the wish motif? But really, it's a tough call.

[cloud path]

We got mentioned in the community vc!!

[old radish]

I've got no mic, so I've not been able to stop by those (I think). How strange, to be noticed and known! /reference

[heavy inlet]

kinda of a weird thought but: could the auditory, or wherever the audience is seated, have stars on the ceiling?

ok that by itself isn't the weird part

for act 5 we talked about having the universe monologue directed at the audience, since that happens in the observatory I was thinking maybe the observatory "window" is the edge of the stage and the actors are looking out into the stars on the ceiling

[old radish]

Whoagh..... /postive

Alright well that's getting added to assorted notes immediately.

Perhaps normally, it's not there, but in act 5, with how messed up everything is, it's now facing the audiance.......

[heavy inlet]

maybe

could also just have it pre act 5 they stare at yhe stars on the ceiling and in act 5 Siffrin stares at the audience directly

[cloud path]

Only the mods and host actually have voice permissions so you can join with no mic

[minor monolith]

i can finally be in this chat i love music

[golden robin]

i wonder if i could learn some new things by looking at this thread as it progresses

i also wonder if i could bring anything into the table

[vivid quail]

Probably!

[vivid quail]

I bet u can! Love to see all the ideas

[golden robin]

i think i might lean more into the sound design/production aspects

[vivid quail]

Lol

[golden robin]

and i might try to bring in some unusual/experimental polishes whenever i feel like it could work

[vivid quail]

Fr!

Also if u want u can check the pins for the slide deck

[golden robin]

aight

[golden robin]

oh btw here's a basic drum loop for whatever reason (nothing fancy lmao)

[loud inlet]

two hats || Going back to this because of a related convo in the spoileriest channel, dropping this here too because yeah this is what I mean there's the similarities in game and I'm just thinking about how that would be cool to explore with acting lol ||

[old radish]

We were talking about In Stars and Time the musical at work, and a kid suggested to have a song be a rap. So may I present. My horrible song made up in five seconds I thought y’all may enjoy. “My name is Mira and I’m here to say
We’re going to beat the King today.
So get up, Siffrin, it’s no time to nap.
We are going to the house and we don’t need no map.”

[old radish]

Same kid says that I should quit the musical, so this is my official resignation. I am done. /j

[wispy geyser]

tutorial kid rap

[minor monolith]

I finally finished skimming the slideshow

I definitely need to do a more indepth look in to see if I can help fill in any holes anywhere... but I mean

I have a bit of experience with some musical instruments and have done theater for... too long. (Like 7 years now?)

I love this very much and the amount of passion already poured into this project is astounding

Props to you guys

[golden robin]

i wonder if i could make the bg beat

[minor monolith]

I wonder if I could make lyrics. It'd be so funny

<- has never written any music before

[golden robin]

i'm not even into rap; i just wanna rip this off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSgIwp-lJhs

[old radish]

Guys the ISAT Musical rap isn’t real. Guys please don’t make tutorial kid rap.

[minor monolith]

I'm going to make a 15 second rap watch me

[golden robin]

but the option is there tho

[minor monolith]

/lying

I don't know how rap works

[old radish]

In the middle of welcome to the show, Siffrin approaches Tutorial kid and instead of singing the music complete changes and they say an awful rap. This never happens in any other loops and goes unexplained. /j

[minor monolith]

HAHAHAHA

[golden robin]

the beat hurts sif's head

pounding machine

you can feel your body vibrate

[old radish]

Incredibly bass boosted and loud song to the point you can barely make out the kid’s words.

[golden robin]

literally

[wispy geyser]

but we have to

its the only part of the musical that uses in-game soundtrack and its just "lets play rock paper scissors" in the background while tutorial kid tries to rap over it

[minor monolith]

HAHAHAH

[minor monolith]

What if it was just actor's choice improv

[old radish]

Horrible ideas everyone. /positive /silly

[minor monolith]

It only happens in one show ever and then never again

[wispy geyser]

we dont even write a rap we just write in the script "rap"

we don't tell them in advance

[minor monolith]

HAHHAHA

HELP ME?

[wispy geyser]

that'll be what they say when they read it

[minor monolith]

"What do you mean by this.. it just says rap"

"Yeah that's what it says :3 "

[old radish]

Welcome to the show is happening once more as Siffrin approaches from. Stage right or something idk. It’s ‘loop 8’ and we are mid act 4 sadness and horror. We approach Tutorial Kid and Wizard Kid, ready for them to do the same interaction they always do. Instead, Wizard Kid turns to them. A bass boosted version of “Let’s Play Rock Paper Scissors” plays. They clear their throat. You can’t even hear it over the song. They open their mouth. “Rap. :)”

[wispy geyser]

i mean i imagine siffrin would only do the tutorial kid encounter the one time and it would be rap that time

[old radish]

Guys the ISAT Tutorial Kid rap isn’t canon. Please. Please guys we can’t do this. /silly

[wispy geyser]

nothing's canon. Yet.

[old radish]

I’m going to blinding write every version of Welcome to the Show or whatever just so that Tutorial Kid rap isn’t canon. /j

[wispy geyser]

intermission section that isnt necessary and can be skipped but doesnt disturb the flow when added

[old radish]

I despise that that’s a good place to include it. Don’t you dare bring up good ideas. /j

[wispy geyser]

i have many good ideas

tutorial kid's rap takes the place of where loop would be in the song on the first loop

[old radish]

The FAVOR TREE

In Loop 1?!?!

[wispy geyser]

oh true the wish

that is a very important thing that happens

[old radish]

Instead of making a wish you just hear Tutorial kid

[wispy geyser]

nevermind i followed your instructions

[old radish]

Imagine playing ISAT and you walk up to the favor tree and instead of the wish cutscene there’s an entire comic style cutscene of Tutorial Kid appearing out of nowhere and rapping at you.

[wispy geyser]

"...so, i wish-"
"HEY YOU IGNORED ME! Listen to my rap!"
the next day siffrin gets crushed by a rock and doesnt come back

[old radish]

Someone put this in the AU channel ASAP they’ll love this idea. /j

[wispy geyser]

isat the musical abridged

[old radish]

“I wonder how much they’ve changed from the game.”

[minor monolith]

I'm laughing my ass off oh my god

[old radish]

If I see that kid again I need to thank her. Genuinely she has no idea what she’s done. She was just trying to mock me for talking about a musical instead of teaching her how to play Minecraft.

[wispy geyser]

minecraft the musical

[old radish]

She would be so peeved.

I bet Minecraft the Musical exists.

[wispy geyser]

true

[old radish]

SO I LOOKED IT UP AND

STORY OF UNDERTALE PERSON???

[wispy geyser]

oh thats. not a parody