#Remove support alts

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reef kindle
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With how the clan combat xp event is set up, it highly supports having alts join to boost the xp that main/higher levels can receive while reducing the amount of xp lower levels can receive, thus discouraging lower levels from participating with the clan. This seems counter productive to a clan event.

With the loot event, having alts join grants a higher percentage that a player can earn loot rolls, which in turn reduces the chances for rolls for solo account players.

And then there is the whole bit where players have alts that exist to farm up materials to support main accounts which feels like an unfair boost, making it feel like players need alts in order to keep up with other players with alts.

My recommendation is to allow alts of different categories (normal/ironman) but to disallow creation of multiple alts for the sake of boosting a main account.

young plinth
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Two support alts have existed since the start of the game, changing it would fundamentally change the game for 95% of the player base. The cap was implemented to curb the 'unfairness' you're talking about- people would run dozens of alts to funnel if there wasn't the two alt hard cap.

I started with only one account also but eventually decided to try using two alts just as a bit of a boost and would never want to go back.

My alts are also combat ready now and I enjoy doing raids as a 3-man by myself, it's fun.

outer citrus
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i refuse to spend 12 years stacking planks

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at least not yet

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6 is fine though

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anyway, main issue with this is how long alts have been in the game

merry verge
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Op is 14 months too late ⌛

reef kindle
polar rock
normal wigeon
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make idle clans 2 :V

river cloud
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And alts being allowed is a bad decision in your opinion, not objectively

old field
river cloud
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or they play on phone

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Can't just paint it all with one brush

old field
woeful jolt
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I feel alts should be for SSF only

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Now they are allowed, its hard to remove them.

polar rock
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This game is at its best when it is collaborative. Allowing alts does not encourage collaboration between players. 🤷

woeful jolt
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Tbh, they should never be allowed in a game like this

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I just feel it 2 late to remove them as well 😒

feral cargo
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If people were going to play collaboratively, they’d be doing it anyways, I frequently do raids and bosses with my friends and we all have alts. The issue isn’t that it doesn’t allow it, it’s just easier to not play collaboratively, which is a huge problem in a game like this, an idle game with an emphasis on it’s online aspects with seemingly little actual online aspects. This is not a fault of the game though, as having alternate accounts in a game genre where the player base places efficiency above enjoyment will inevitably remove online play entirely with current implementation, perhaps new updates to online will change this though. Another issue stems from how the players view the games balancing and progression from the perspective of having alternate accounts. While removing alt accounts is a good idea, the current game pace doesn’t account for it- I’m sure it could be incorporated in a way that doesn’t require alternate accounts, but removing alternate accounts altogether is something that will completely change the game for everyone. Is it a good idea? Absolutely. Is it practical and applicable? Probably not.

The damage has been done and for alts to actually be removed would require such a significant change to gamepace, progression, and fundamental play, that they might as well make idle clans 2 before removing alts from idle clans.

old field
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Yeah now it’s too late

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After all, it's good for business, you buy the shop x3

river cloud
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Again YMMV

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If one of my accounts is built to play online activities such as raids and another is built for skilling, it lets me double dip instead of spending twice as long trying to even get ready for online play

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  • idle nature of the game lets player spend more time on the game if they have multiple accounts
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but icing on the cake as for why they were allowed is because rampant alting still exists in the current game

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but atleast with multiple allowed chars people have some semblance of equality

worthy viper
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if you're suggesting the answer to rulebreaking is getting rid of (in this case, softening) the rule, that's a terrible take

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but if you're saying the semblance of equality is from being able to do multiple things at once, everyone is equally enabled or handicapped regardless of what's added/changed/removed

river cloud
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Terrible take sure, but it is literally the reality of what happened

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people had unlimited alts at the start, why were they restricted to 3 instead of 1 ? Some element of trying to soften the rule to limit rule breaking did play into the decision

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There are other benefits that tems probably likes for alts

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such as people buying premium and other real world currency benefits for multiple chars rather than 1

worthy viper
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fair, yeah. a bit difficult...adding better methods and such does "devalue" the hard work people put in prior, but the leaderboards won't change because everyone is benefitting from the boon. on the other hand, removing such boons really just screws everyone who came too late and now has no opportunity to benefit from it..and a much harder time catching up

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this being the latter case, i'm a bit conflicted. i would love to see a 1 normal acct limit, but everyone who's been doing it has already got theirs

river cloud
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I mean by the time I started, the 3 alts were an accepted norm and people had completionist alts

worthy viper
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yeah, same

river cloud
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So like you said, removing it creates a conflict against everyone who had invested time on them to date and then also robs all the newcomers of similar advancement rates

worthy viper
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right, my primary reservation is the latter. but you're right...would need to figure out what to do with the alts

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regardless though, i think we should agree this isn't the meta we want

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and importantly, this alt meta will only get harder to undo as more time goes by. so imo, tems should decide carefully now on a permanent direction for the game here

polar rock
worthy viper
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maybe so. i've just had plenty of experiences thinking it's too burdensome to reverse course now, then thinking later, once it's far more entrenched, how much i wish i'd done it at that earlier point

reef kindle
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Ship hasn't sailed though. Limiting players to a single normal account is still possible. Having to deal with 3 account players is still a bit annoying as a one account mobile player. I'm still debating if it's worth continuing on with this disparity in the game.

granite sundial
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There’s always iron man

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And ship is long gone I reckon making it one account now will make newer player annoyed and potentially quit as they would feel this being unfair and it’s ur choice that ur limiting ur self to 1 account

outer citrus
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limiting people to 1 account is always possible

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its just not going to happen this late

worthy viper
reef kindle
# worthy viper <@115686460530622465> what do you recommend for this if players are limited to 1...

I imagine one option is just to merge alts with the designated main account either acquiring the highest levels across all three accounts or to just add the experience across all three accounts together.

The difference between skilling with three accounts down to just one account can be fixed with adding additional skilling queues. Give everyone three skilling queues so everyone can be on the same level versus the current one account vs three account players.

worthy viper
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so allow people to do 3 tasks at once on one account?

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if you mean an actual queue, that wouldn't put people on equal footing

river cloud
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skill level gap? still there since people have already achieved skills that require funneled resources

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resource gap? That'll still be there since removing the alts would just consolidate the wealth into 1 acc instead of spread across 3

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Having to deal with 3 account players is still a bit annoying as a one account mobile player.
Having played this game for the longest time on phone, The biggest discrepancy was bossing and raids, but everything else is completely doable on mobile with multiple accounts

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Limiting yourself to 1 and then finding others who play 3 to be annoying seems to be nitpicking

worthy viper
river cloud
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the players are innocent

worthy viper
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of course. blame the meta and the dev for keeping it. you're right that it's not on the rat race participants. i don't want to dismiss the entire argument because of misplaced blame though

river cloud
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it might shrink the gap between incoming players across platforms but you're right

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its not fixing the disparity that exists

worthy viper
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mhm. i think a queue would be really helpful. multiple tasks simultaneously would be OP, but at least it benefits everyone equally...doesn't really solve any issues though. however, merging accounts would practically cement the leaderboard gap; that's a terrible idea.

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i could deal with a one-time wealth consolidation, especially since people can already do that

river cloud
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consolidation of alts at this point sinks the mid-late game playerbase so its just a question of

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how many people are you willing to lose

steady token
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The amount of players this would make quit would near kill the game imo

cinder ocean
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Think of all the money spent on premium items. Think there's going to be refunds on all of those if you eliminate 2 out of 3 accounts? If no, then game is going to get review bombed as being a cash grab scam

wide sage
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no

worthy viper
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could just give the tokens back and call it a day

glossy vortex
spare anvil
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just wait for iron clan mode to come out 🤝

young plinth
spare anvil
balmy crystal
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waiting for iron clan 🫡

reef kindle
steady token
reef kindle
steady token
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Explain how triple accounts isn't supported

warm coral
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he said mobile players can't do bosses or raids with their alts

steady token
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Technically they can just need multiple phones

warm coral
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so skill_issue

woeful jolt
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reef kindle
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Versus other games that supports multiple characters on one account.

misty beacon
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There's nothing stopping you from having multiple accounts on the phone and the only thing you really can't do by yourself and your alts on the phone is bosses and raids.

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So anything to do with resource funneling isn't really a valid argument because you are fully capable of doing the same thing on the phone.

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I played for quite a while with only one account. Then eventually I made 2 alts. Why? Mostly because it was really hard to find people to do bosses and raids with.

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And when I did find people to do bosses and raids with they wouldn't do it for very long. So I ended up spending more time looking for people to do the content with than I was spending on actually doing the content.

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Now whenever I want to do bosses or raids I just pop the invite to my alts and start immediately.

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It's way more time efficient for me to just use my alts than to wait for other people. Which does kind of suck, but that's just the reality we have to deal with.

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It's not like this game has millions of people playing it.

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If there was an abundance of people playing the game I could understand completely getting rid of alts, but that's not the case. If you get rid of alts at this point that's going to kill the game for a lot of people.

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As for "merging" accounts together so they get the highest level achieved between all of them. This is kind of pointless and not really a good way to compensate people with alts. My main already has higher levels than my alts in everything except for 1 skill. So merging doesn't do anything for me except make all that time I spent on my alts a waste.

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I think the better solution here rather than getting rid of the alt accounts is to simply convert them to alt characters under the same account. Allowing you to seamlessly swap between all of them.

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The only problem is that would take a lot of work on Temsei's part to completely change architecture of the game.

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Which would probably mean forgoing development on other game content while this was implemented.

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And if the game doesn't get content updates people are probably going to end up leaving and by the time the content starts getting updated again they are less likely to come back.

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So in the end this isn't a real solution either.

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We're just kind of stuck where we are and have to deal with it.

river cloud
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the only tasks you cant do are ones that require multiple instances of the game itself

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which is a benefit the pc users get because of the nature of the platform not because temsei specifically went out of his way to support that

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Nothing stops you from using multiple phones to replicate the pc perk or trying to run 2 different instances on a mobile device

river cloud
misty beacon
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It would remove the need for running multiple instances of the game.

river cloud
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so would they cease to be independent accounts?

misty beacon
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But like I said, that would require a lot of work on Temsei's part and isn't really viable.

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Yeah instead of having 3 accounts, you have 3 characters on 1 account and can just swap between them at will.

river cloud
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and what I could use all 3 at the same time for bossing or?

misty beacon
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everything would be same except for having to run 3 instances of the game at the same time

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do bossing or raids or whatever you want

river cloud
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no like if I was to boss

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would all 3 of my characters participate in it?

misty beacon
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yes

river cloud
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maybe if tems was a development team instead of a 1 man army 🤣

outer citrus
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Something like keep all of them online and switch between them

misty beacon
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this is exactly my point

river cloud
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that sounds like a cesspit to code

misty beacon
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yeah which is why I said it isn't really a viable solution

river cloud
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but yeah , at this point we're at a either roll with it or don't stage anyways

misty beacon
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would require way too much work on Tem's part and would probably stop content updates

river cloud
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if you remove support alts

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what are you compensating with

misty beacon
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I think things should just stay the way they are currently. I don't really see any problems with the current state of everything with regards to the 3 account limit.

outer citrus
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I would just like to point out, the post is specifically support alts, not alts in general

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Easy solution i think

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Remove trading

misty beacon
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lol

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so just make everyone play in ironman mode

outer citrus
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Yeah

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Just embody the melvor clone spirit

misty beacon
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lmao

river cloud
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finally an excuse to quit and review bomb my way out

misty beacon
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xD

reef kindle
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Having the game be simpler for those with support alts sets up a barrier for those without as well though. I'm on the fence of leaving because I don't want to deal with those with support alts. It's at the point where even though the clan I'm in has multiple active players, I find that I benefit more when I run the clan events by myself.

reef kindle
outer citrus
young plinth
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I enjoy managing my 3 accounts and coordinating gameplay between them, doing raids etc.

dense sail
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I agree ^, I would have probably quit idle clans the second or third day if I couldn't have two support alts, as it would be too little "management" for my liking.

misty beacon
reef kindle
misty beacon
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Theoretically it is easy. But you have to think about the aftereffects.

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People are going to need compensation for the removal of their alts. And if you don't people are just going to quit the game, so yes you do need to give them compensation.

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And if you don't give good enough compensation people are going to leave.

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Also you still haven't really given a valid reason as to why you yourself can't use alts.

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Seems like you just don't want to put in the effort.

steady token
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I'd agree if was in first 2 weeks of game launch

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But imagine telling people that have spent over a year ect playing on there alts that they aren't allowed them anymore

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That have spent money on premium ect

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It would absolutely destroy the games playerbase and its too late for that and even if its not too late for that it would be a massive hit to playerbase and devs income from premium ect for alts

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And would need to re build game playerbase and most likly add a p2w aspect to make it viable financially

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Would literally reduce income by 2/3

young plinth
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Maybe if you could allow all three accounts to be playable from one client, but it would require a complete rebuild of the UI from the ground up

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doing raids etc would require them to know which character you want to do each individual task

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maybe drag a portrait onto the task or something?

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that would solve the problem of mobile only players not getting a fair shake

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still, i can't imagine going down to 1/3rd income

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it would make the game MUCH more boring imo as I would have to do mundane tasks that I don't want to do 2/3rds of the time and what i want to do only 1/3rd of the time

river cloud
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was like 1-2 months

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the 3 alt structure has been here for more than a year

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how are you compensating people for money, time, resources invested into those alts

reef kindle
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Where was the compensation for those who paid for more than 2 alts? That question will still remain.

At the present, the question is whether or not people NEED to have two alts to keep pace with others, and from the looks of things, they do.

So for those with one account, the question stands on whether or not they will continue playing after realizing this fact. I'm perfectly fine with paying premium for one account. I'm not going to pay for three accounts. If I realized that you needed three accounts to be on par, I would have never installed this game.

Just because an issue is realized late doesn't mean that issue should be left in place. The question is which group of players does the dev want to cater to? Some people like games where you manage a team of chars.

river cloud
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Im sure when a game is in its early phases you can force decisions like that but equating a 2 month compensation to a 14-15 month one is just poor in form

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what do you mean on par?

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with the leaderboard racers?

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I know people in late game that barely use alts

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or dont use them for main

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and a couple that dont have any

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Just because an issue is realized late doesn't mean that issue should be left in place. The question is which group of players does the dev want to cater to? Some people like games where you manage a team of chars.

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im pretty sure the current solution is the catered answer to the alt issue

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compensation is the biggest thing remark when people suggest removing them but no one has any answers.

young plinth
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If you want something more you can start to do other things on your alt to enhance your experience

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But if all you want to do is earn money then mining coal is sufficient

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That's what my alts started as

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And then I eventually wanted to do more, which isn't even efficient as I had to spend a lot of gold on them

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But it was more fun having 'three mains'

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So I could do fun things on all three

reef kindle
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Not saying that you need to pay for premium to keep pace. But if I'm running three chars, I'd like for all three to have premium. It's the three accounts that I have an issue with.

river cloud
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you can get premium with in game money so thats not really a concern

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the issue is 3 accounts funnelling to growth

young plinth
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It really just depends on your goal, if you want more of a 'three mains' set up yeah premium is the way to go, but if all you care about is funneling, premium isn't required at all

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Right now I have three main accounts and if two of my mains were removed it would have a seriously negative impact on my play experience

reef kindle
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The issue is that I don't want to play three accounts.

young plinth
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I would care less if the other two accounts were litteraly just used to funnel a main

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Well I think more people want to play three accounts than not

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As evidenced by the up/down ratio on this suggestion

reef kindle
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If I knew this game was a three account team idle, I would never have installed it. If the dev wants to maintain a three account status quo, I'd rather it be added to the description and I'll show myself out.

young plinth
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Then leave LOL

reef kindle
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I imagine that the votes are based on those with 3 accounts rather than thinking 3 accounts is healthy for the future of the game.

young plinth
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You CAN play this game with one account my girlfriend did it for a long time

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And she has fun

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If you don't want to do that or feel left out then it's just not for you I guess

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Like is it just the 'unfair' feeling?

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Of other people playing three accounts when you choose to only play one?

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If you want a solo experience they have ironman and in the future they will also have team-ironman both which cater to people who don't want to deal with other people funneling

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I feel like those people are a small monority

reef kindle
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It's not that I feel left out. It's that the game looks like it's built to support single accounts. The triple accounts bit seems to go counter to how the game is set up and seems to have only been left in place to appease those wanting support alts.

young plinth
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But team ironman and ironman should be good no?

young plinth
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It's casual and fun

reef kindle
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If support alts are officially endorsed, I'd like for the game to be changed reflecting that versus the current state.

young plinth
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Why?

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In what way would you like it changed?

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It's already perfectly fine for casual players playing solo

reef kindle
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Then why not limit it to solo accounts?

young plinth
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I have clanmates that play solo and are active and have fun playing with the rest of us

reef kindle
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That's why I've posted here, to hear the dev's opinion.

young plinth
reef kindle
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Then why not unlock it to unlimited alts and support it ?

young plinth
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Three seemed to be a happy medium so that it wasn't taken advantage of

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Three might be okay, but three hundred might not be

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Obviously there's a line and three was where it was drawn

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You can argue where the line should have been or if it should have been at 1

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But it's already been drawn at three for over a year

reef kindle
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Like I said, if the official status quo is three accounts, then why not advertise this game as a team idle game?

young plinth
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Because it's not the official status quo, it's for people who REALLY like the game

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Enough to want to play it on two extra accounts

reef kindle
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No...

young plinth
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Yes

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Casuals can play one account and have fun just fine

reef kindle
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Like you said, having the alts is to help you progress through the game much faster.

young plinth
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If you like the game and want more, extra accounts are your answer

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Extra accounts don't help you progress any 'faster'

reef kindle
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That's the issue that I'm raising and am suggesting to the dev.

young plinth
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They give you monetary advantages, the same as if you had friends in a guild but skill speed would never be improved just because you have other accounts

reef kindle
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Not sure why you're trying so hard to defend your accounts.

young plinth
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Why are you not sure?

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I told you explicitly

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I have three main accounts and enjoy playing all three as mains

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Not to funnel one account

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You're petitioning to have them removed

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Why would I not want to defend my position?

river cloud
reef kindle
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You just said it yourself. You created your alts to feed your main account. At this point, your accounts are feeding each other.

This is pretty much the point of this channel. Identify flaws or games that can make the game better. I'm of the opinion that as of right now, the game is built to support a single account. The suggestion is to either shift the game in that direction or change it so it can support multiple accounts.

river cloud
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sure but what changes would you make

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to support multiple accounts

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I was under the impression that it already does support multiple accounts well enough

reef kindle
# river cloud changes such as?

At this point, the clan I'm in has 20 slots. There are maybe 10-12 active players with the rest of them being alts. As of right now, several of us have discovered that we can't run some of the clan events together because we get much more experience by ourselves.

reef kindle
river cloud
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so if you have more than 3 players online then you should have better experience gains

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than running an event with you and your 2 alts

river cloud
reef kindle
young plinth
# reef kindle You just said it yourself. You created your alts to feed your main account. At t...

I did create them to funnel my main, but after awhile I got more into the game and wanted to actually play on all three- like I said earlier if they had stayed just funnel accounts, I wouldn't have any problems with them being removed. After I have invest so much time and effort into them making them into mains though there's no way I'd want to lose them, it would be the same as closing my main account

young plinth
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If you have mages using dark magic potions they will get a majority of the xp

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Everyone else will get less because they are overperforming

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The total xp is the same

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It's just distributed towards the people doing the most damage

reef kindle
young plinth
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I don't even use dark magic pots or level magic during clan events

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But let's say I did

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What's the difference between that and three separate players doing it?

reef kindle
young plinth
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What's the difference between you having two friends that support one another

reef kindle
young plinth
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And me having two accounts that run independently from my first account?

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They are all spending money to get all upgrades, they are all leveling all skills to 120

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The same as if you had three people playing the accounts

reef kindle
young plinth
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When I started I had friends who gave me money for upgrades like auto eat auto loot etc, it's the same thing

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Playing solo is completely doable I did it for a few months and my girlfriend did it for half a year

steady token
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Also ironman mode

young plinth
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AND team ironman is coming out eventually

reef kindle
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Then why not limit it to single accounts?

young plinth
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Because that's what ironman and team ironman can be for to make you happy and us happy

reef kindle
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If a team is officially supported, then set the game up to support a team versus needing multiple instances.

steady token
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The game is not designed based on each person having 3 accounts it is simply a option and dedicating production time to create a complicated system based on that is just a waste of time imo

reef kindle
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Depending on how the game is set up, creating a system that supports 3 accounts doesn't seem like it will be that complicated. Instead of loading one account, just load three accounts instead. After the main interface loads, you can probably just add another button to the profile page that lets you switch between characters.

river cloud
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Coding what you described is not a simple task

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Instead of loading one account, just load three accounts instead.

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specifically this part

reef kindle
# river cloud specifically this part

The game loads the account when you initially log in. Specifically that parts lets you toggle between which account is logged in versus having multiple instances of the game open.

reef kindle
# young plinth Because that's what ironman and team ironman can be for to make you happy and us...

What will make me happy is if everyone one ran a single account versus multiple accounts that supported one another. The way you're describing things, what could make me happy would be if everyone who ran support alts had their three accounts converted to ironman teams. If you want to participate in community events, play a single account. If you want to use your alts to boost your main, do it on your own.

reef kindle
river cloud
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the game hasn't been developed to support multiple instances of itself open to the point that tems is simply keeping it disabled since he wants people to play with alts

reef kindle
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That toggle is what might be a solution to support multiple accounts

river cloud
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I'm talking about it from a development point of view

reef kindle
river cloud
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multiple instance applications are a vast undertaking for development

reef kindle
river cloud
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because you have to manage a new host of connections from the client to the backend server

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single instance communications are simple because it goes back and forth

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multiple instance communications require dedicated communcation protocols

reef kindle
river cloud
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The new instance is also supposed to be synched with the server but its in the same application

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something will need to oversee multiple server calls , manage deadlocks and sychronization issues

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that something is usually a multiple instance manager which has yet to be coded for Idle clans and who knows if tems can even put off content development long enough to give it time

reef kindle
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I open the game. I'm presented with my accounts. I select the account that I want to play and it's loaded onto the game.

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Not talking about multiple instances right now. Just thinking about loading different active accounts without restarting the game.

river cloud
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you can do that right now?

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or you mean without logging out?

reef kindle
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Yes

river cloud
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again thats not simple to code

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unless you just want an account switcher of you are logged in and want to switch to one of your other accounts

reef kindle
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Yes, that.

river cloud
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I have no idea how that's supposed to be a solution to multiple alts then

reef kindle
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Not a solution but more of the dev showing intent that he supports everyone having multiple accounts.

river cloud
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isnt that shown when you play the game, making a new account lists that you can only have 3 normal accounts

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there's an account manager on the login screen

reef kindle
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Having multiple accounts versus having support accounts is the issue that I'm trying to figure out

strong prairie
reef kindle
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Still feels a bit frustrating sitting in a 20 member clan where a good half are just support alts.

strong prairie
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I can see what point you're trying to raise from a developmental pov for multiple instances

strong prairie
reef kindle
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Hurts the market too when players are just farming for their main versus relying on the market.

strong prairie
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switch clans into ones that have main clans and no alt policy

strong prairie
reef kindle
strong prairie
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no shot tems puts in the time over a multiple instance manager on the network programming side

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over content updates for a while after the market update

strong prairie
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I think its in a much better place compared to what it was when I joined if you are talking about new player experience

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Bigger clans, clan events, pets, quests, a skilling raid

reef kindle
strong prairie
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1 month at the start of the game is not the same thing as more than 1 year into the game

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Also unlimited alts also wasn't something he actively endorsed from what ive heard

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he just made 3 the limit following a discussion on alt bans

reef kindle
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But people having support alts is something he has no issues with?

strong prairie
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I wasn't here for that so you'll need to ask someone who was or

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tems himself why they went to 3 alts specifically

reef kindle
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That's what I'm looking for with this suggestion.

strong prairie
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But your suggestion to remove the alts now would probably kill the game so I don't think he is ever going to do that

reef kindle
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Will it kill the game? It feels like the main defenders of keeping support alts are those who have benefited from having support alts.

strong prairie
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bar a very small population

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but I'm talking about the ones who spent time/money on their alt accounts

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Are probably going to review bomb/ blacklist the game for scamming them out of their work

young plinth
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Just don't play if you don't like it 🤷🏻‍♂️

reef kindle
reef kindle
young plinth
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Cry is free

reef kindle
outer citrus
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Even people without alts benefit from them

strong prairie
strong prairie
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Unless your plan for multiple instances was the lack of support

reef kindle
# strong prairie people run alt chars in rpgs , and idle nature is still there

Key difference is alts vs support alts. I've got no issues with players having multiple accounts to try multiple builds. Issue here with support alts are chars that solely exist to boost a main while also expanding what that player can do like having 18 market slots vs a solo player having 6 and like you all said prior, allowing them to run raids without needing anyone else.

outer citrus
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So you expect people to not use their alts to help their main?

polar rock
warm coral
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still running around in circles I see

strong prairie
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supporting chars are a thing

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either way argument will run in circles because

  1. tems can't develop a multi instance update to the game because its inefficient judging by current development goals
  2. tems won't remove support alts because people will/can label this game as a scam for it
echo flame
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So you're argument Is: i'm too lazy to manage 3 account so i'll Just use One and then complain because people play with 3 and get ahead of me.
It's like people in elden ring dlc saying eh too difficoult etch but don't level up Nor use summon

outer citrus
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the issue i have with new players complaining about alts giving people an advantage over them is also the fact that they started so late that it doesnt really make a difference if others use alts or not, theyre at a disadvantage either way

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like its basically impossibly for a player who has played a year to not have a billion gold in assets/liquid at the minimum

river cloud
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i dont :/

warm coral
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top players always say they're poor :/

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darned ak addicts

river cloud
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almost half a year on daily aks , insanity

misty beacon
reef kindle
reef kindle
echo flame
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i do like having the chance to play with 3 accs , add more depth to the game, especially early on

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and everybody got the same chance

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so if the Developer decided the pace of the game is better with 3 accs rather than one

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why complain

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don't like it, move on

misty beacon
reef kindle
reef kindle
misty beacon
reef kindle
misty beacon
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That's not necessarily true

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I would much more want to do raids with other people than my alts because it's a pain in the ass swapping between 3 windows to make sure the raid is successful

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But

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Finding other people to do raids with is more of a pain in the ass

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More than doing them by myself with my alts

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Why would I bother spending an hour trying to find just 1 person to do raids with but then they stop after like 3

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When I can just do it immediately with my alts for however many raids i want to do and then stop when I want

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Removing alts isn't going to make people do more raids with others, it's going to make people do less raids overall

reef kindle
river cloud
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So kinda like raid lobbies?

echo flame
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If i had Just One account to raid id do It solo all the time

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And also there are plenty of people teaming up to 6 man raid, Just gotta find the right clan for it

reef kindle
mental cove
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Rather increase to 5 alts for solo 6 man raids, no1 wants to raid with random 80-90 combats, also more alts more tokens sold more money for tems to buy a yacht

bitter yoke
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That will cost a ton of money in refunds of premiums and other paid items for alts.

river cloud
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he can limit 3 alts to 1 now

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and I guess just ignore all the microtransactions that have been spent on alts

echo flame
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Ah yes, l'ets remove all account because 1 guy Is complaining about it

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And l'ets scam people out of hundred dollar

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Very nice

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And also it's too late, people made billions and billions with 3 accs

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No shot a beginner with One account can even try

warm coral
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gold aside, dozens of people already maxed their accounts so...

misty beacon
echo flame
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L'ets add 3 more alts

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I like it

balmy crystal
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i dont want it, but if there is 3 more i will make 3 more

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.<

zinc light
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My main and all my alts just got banned :/ I didn't think they were this serious about enforcing this rule CoolCry

outer citrus