#Total wipe and single account no alts
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I like that idea, but I want all of my purchases refunded or transfered over.
market hasn't had any time to adjust
read adam smith's classic economics on 'the invisible hand'
i wrote i had alts in the post
The market is also fine
I initially started out as solo player for like the first 2 days then I saw dudes botting/alting on mining leaderboard I was like - no rules for this s...? Really? They can just make all these alts?
Aight f this I'll just make some alts too. So I made 80 alts. You can literally get 5-8M in a day by mining ores and selling stuff. I support the idea of full wipe.
some people got 250k+ meteorite ore
500k+ platinum ore
that's not ideal lol
I mean ban them
I am interested to see how this gets worked out XD
yeah 250k meteorite insane
26.5 million on the market in ore XD
If someone has like that much remove it from the game
Remove the accounts that abused it
it takes a regular person on one account 1400 hours to mine that much meteorite ore
So refund the money and remove the ore???
with 80 alts it takes 17 hours altogether
and u get an extra 1.3m if u use the potion good deal
i think it's hard to ban all the accounts because it would take time to trace all the stuff
Exactly
Dang what about 200????
It's not an abuse because it's allowed. The entire point of the suggestion to make it not allowed to have unlimited alts.
and an announced wipe + single alt would fix all
it cannot be undone
- damage has been done, by me and other with alts
7 hours LOL
GG @onyx smelt, you just advanced to level 12!
so it means he would ban like 70% of the people
What about 600???
No virus wants the game wiped
banning people is just dumb and it doesnt accomplish anything
the game can't just wipe whenever it's convenient
I think wipe the game and make a verification check so you have to use Google or steam to login and no work arounds.
"and single account no alts" meaning get rid of alts
if a policy against alts is implemented.. an anti cheat should delete the accounts
there are multiple ways
your account should be linked to your device
e.g. steam
or phone
I just don’t agree with a wipe
completely agree
and cannot login from more than 1 ip
i actually don't think a wipe is the best solution - it's too heavy handed/brute force
and put trackers on people who trade same people or buy from
but there's gottta be something to do about the amount of mats in the game
It's controversial, but how else would you stop the spread of a plaque without implementing something 1st?
it's 3 days
Just DELETE IT!!!
I had 8M gold today
i traded a whole bunch of stuff
some to clan mates
some to myself
you cannot do anything about it
DELETE
its done
I’ve wasted like 35 hrs on this game already being active
Same XD
but theres people that have gotten 5000+ hours worth of resources already
people who work care
it was weekend
FACTS
i had the luxury of the easter weekend to spend a lot of time on it
in terms of economics.. we will continue to head towards endless inflation without any fiscal policy and prices will adjust to market supply
^ same
Same but even I support full wipe
the problem is
and I had 80 alts
he could just remove majority of the ore lol
that's irrelevant
No wonder why you don't want a wipe XD
ban all of your accounts then
he said he supported wipe
next time dont be an ass
Are you dumb?
don't fight guys please, we need to keep it civil for anyone
I literally said multiple times
guys guys !!!
I want full wipe
also ye, keep it civil
it's also that for a lot of players seeing people who alted heavily (10+ alts, 50+ alts) have so much and be so ahead is straight demotivating
owners fault anyway, shouldnt of been naive to think people wouldnt abuse alt accounts
who cares about who's ahead??
I just find it weird you abused it so bad now you want the wipe lol
The only reason why I abused it is because dev didn't do ANYTHING to combat the alts
very small amount of people care about being top of the leaderboards because they won't be - alts or not
many people play mmos for competition so many care
I was a straight solo player
good for them, that's a small amount of the playerbase
i wouldnt go for full wipe but rather look at database and wipe all the obscene amount of materials instead.
GG @graceful zinc, you just advanced to level 9!
then I look on leaderboards with all the bots in mining
people can refarm the materials
that doesnt even make sense
but if u do a full wipe i think im just gonna play other game
whats the point in having a leaderboard if youre not going to combat against people abusing stuff to be high on it
you cannot reverse any of this
and it's only 3 days honestly, it's not like 3 months or 3 years
i don't want to redo 3 days
im not talking about things done, but things that have not have the time to laundry out
i got 9 more days of vacation
it's a bigger F me losing the time i spent playing
we ALL spent the time
i dont care about the alts or inflated resources or that anyone is ahead
you dont want to redo 3 days, but you dont mind having to spend 3 years to catch up to the people who used alts
it's minimal
then you arent the target of this
tho tbh
we should ask for a new server not a wipe of the only server
f that
its just find meteorite ore on the database and change value to 0. or whatever obscene amount of materials that obviously not obtainable in 4 days
games live by their casual audience not the 1%
This server is fine
meteorite isnt the only 1
there are millions of fx platinum too
Then get temsei to remove the ore and money
yup thats me, thats 1 single snipe from a cheater
It wont be hard to track it down
they have 100 times more at least
you can't just remove ore and money
its mega hard to track down
exactly
because its being traded
when there were trades from 200 acc
Depends how the game it built
purchased, sold and so on
Only the dev knows
or easy. put verification on email right now, and if they cant vverify their acc, that account is as good as dead because u probably did not have a real email registered on it
just delete all ores if you're that worried
wipe invets/cash/whatever
keep skills
i dont care if my invent is wiped or my upgrades
You are all literally clueless if you think that "tracking down" or "maintaining" these ores/gold is feasible
AGAIN
but if i start from level 1 that's horrid
then next time don't cheat lol
So you helped 100 people good for you I don’t see the problem now
it was just what eery did
it is now, and should have been from the start
people actively abused it knowing it was going to change
every one*
it was from the start, but ppl find loopholes
The dev didn’t expect alts on this scale
thats how we got to this poophole now
he didn't exactly do anything to combat it
you can make
nothing at all to combat it
just sat on his ass
- Alt(ernative) accounts
- You are allowed to play and operate up to 3 accounts. If caught playing with more accounts than that, your accounts may be banned.
I'm within these boundaries
- You are allowed to play and operate up to 3 accounts. If caught playing with more accounts than that, your accounts may be banned.
thats a good way
I guess there just has to be anti cheat
just need to set a verification on email RIGHT NOW and half of those iiill gotten gains will be gone
half is better than nothing
damage is already done
GG @cloud axle, you just advanced to level 9!
but i mean sure
what stops you from creating more emails 😒
lmao
damage is done but market can fix itself
the items are already out there and limit is at 2, email veri wont do a thing now
damage is done in the short term, still no one has the highest resources or anything
you don't need google tho
maybe it has accelerated a bunch of people in the early game but otherwise it will end up evening out
With you on that bossy
give me 60m and then try to catch up 🙂
i dont want to catch up to you
i want to enjoy my game
and not lose the 60+ hours ive invested
Tbh Even I have more than 5 gmail...
@boreal fable pls dm
i mean u are openly admitting, its really on tem's goodwill that he did not just outright ban u lol
you keep going on about gmail
This was posted because virus is feeling guilty
there's like 5000000000000 email providers
Yep
The thing is with alt accounts is the parameters that can determine what an alternative account is.
Like is it IP of devices or IP of gateway to internet.
Does it mean if someone used my interent while playing is an alt of my IP or not
was never against the rules
so that's just invalid
There are website that are going to give you trashable and openable and spammable email
the game gets reset and people find loopholes anyway, now it will be a few people bending the rules slightly that still top leaderboards
you never eliminate this issue
^ yeah and no
i mean if they wipe
this issue wouldn't be anywhere near as bad
would be 3% of what it was previously
with some measures
okay but what issue am i actively experiencing today
some of my items aren't worth as much as they should be?
Oppression XD
I run ADSL and VPN at my university
But then do people want refunds
Because they will
and enjoy your trillions 
@cedar pine dm me ty ^
That is a good point
But it is nonrefundable accournding to the terms and conditions.
It won't matter in the long run
That would cause problems
Nothing will tbh
When everything is inflated, we will rely on market prices to buy and sell
look at runescape
RuneScape always has dupe bugs
Player base shattered because of non exploiting exploiting XD
Does nothing to eco
Runescape?
They have a budget 1000x temsei's and that's how far they've gone over 21 years
Just saying the eco will recover
Oo nice
It will be alright
All I am saying is that if you delete all progress made and implemented a verification for only 1 account per whatever.
It would ultimately benefit the game in terms of guilds, market, and dungeons.
@boreal fable i think people are bothered about the level gains due to the alts too, not just gold inflation
cus to be top on leaderboards, you do need to be fed/supplied
thats a fact
false
fact
But we're allowed 3 alts and this game wiped with the beginning of my vacation
to be #1 maybe
in 9 days I won't be able to play actively anymore :/
but they'll just get fed by a dedicated clan regardless
I don’t care about leaderboards
lol
idk, it all does seem a mess at the moment and it's gonna be SOLID to keep everyone happy lol
honestly whatever effort these people who want to be on the leaderboards put will be met with the same effort even after a wipe
but hopefully, within the games rules
i don't expect anything to change
BMT on top
i dont mind losing if its fair.
I very much so mind losing to cheaters
ignore grinner people
hes toxic
technology can cause demand shock
and as this game develops and new traits or buffs are introduced
demand will shift into new things
temsei has a lot of control over the economy still
don't worry
if this game resets i'm done
its impossible to make everyone happy but its all in dev's hands anyways
Virus the glazer
you'll want it reset everytime something goes wrong
and i don't want to keep starting over
you should go ask my clan if i make a difference
you dont
i'm sure you know it all
i do
maybe you'll all powerful too
no i just want it reset this time cuz of the bots.
cheaters and such get banned and he can try to fix their sales but thats life
@dusky sundial what is actually a glazer ?
if there's a reset game is getting uninstalled and steam reviews will soon be mostly negative
gl with your competition when there's no one to compete with
it's funny temsei still doesn't know about any of this xd
How true is that? need a survey at least to see how most others think
this convo got dragged too far and it's going around in loops now
Sounds like the true players who play for fun and not to get ahead will stay amd enjoy what someone created vs exploiting it.
he could shut people up i suppose, he eithers comes out and says listen i aint resetting the game, or he says i plan on doing this or that
u can't satisfy anyone even if wipe, or ban or anything, because we all hate certain things
Like my life XD
but everyone has a point
Everyone has a point, but only one point will be chosen.
How about creating a poll???
or no point can be chosen and we get on with our lives
play the game for what it is
it's normal for things to go wrong during the first period
What about purchases made? Wouldn't the dev have to go and revive them to all of the accounts 🫠
@patent bay
@patent bay
@patent bay
tem just say if there is a potential wipe or not and everyone can go their own ways then
keep it blunt and gg
Don't Spam him Lord 💀
<@&1029337409520943144> probably should take a look.
Again what about premium purchases
i think temsei should discuss with his mods or someone he can trust, then propose what they discussed
Sometimes you have to hit the big red button.
That's a lot of work to put on 1 dev... 🫠
for sure
yeah but the matter is better to be fixed in the first days then after 1000 yrs
its not like game wont work without a wipe, it would just be better with 1.
if its too much work or he's got other ideas. then we dont get a wipe and thats that
It's a real shame, because I feel like this is why Tem changed it to 3 accs rather than banning alts outright, seeing how someone who paid for 100 premium accounts might sue
that's why they vet people who sit on the red button
Ill be too old to argue in 1000 years
i am no expert to tell ppl what to do and not, i just suggested something
that's why we don't use nukes in war
he already said people could refund if that was the case
anymore
and i respect anyones opinion on the topic
oh thats good
Wow apples and potatoes huh
Yes sir
Christ that's stupid
😂 😂 😂
So what happens next time after the wipe? Someone works out something and abuses it. Do we wipe again?
Actually, yes cus that'd be funny
But, It's really good mitigation even though there will always be cheaters
Hmmm implements second server
server is fine after infinite bots arent allowed
What a hard subject tbh.
Hasn't been down anytime at all.
there was also a hardware upgrade
I’d be fine with a wipe. Only if I can have my main and 2 alts
anyway the main point in here was "total wipe and single account no alts this time round"
i vote no to that. simple
Removal of bots expansion unlocked
Fair
Interesting
It literally crashes every day at the daily restart for 2-4 hours everyday.
we dont need circular argument here
Since this update NO
Yeh it’s been fine since new hardware
It happened yesterday and daily reset isn't happening today for another 2 hours and 8 mins. So there hasn't been any evidence that it is fixed yet.
If the argument against the idea is "most people dont care" wouldn't an ironman mode for us who like the competition be a good consolation? It kind of defeats the purpose of Idle "Clans" but it's better than nothing to have our own leaderboards
not wise to add a new option and divide up the community just yet
That's a good point
I think a clan-based ironman mode where you can only trade with your clan would be cool but yeah not this soon
yeah it probably is too early yet
Anyways I’m out. Have fun guys
There's still a long way to go in this game's development before it's time to refine these aspects
In all honesty I think the biggest gripe is not about alt limitaitons but the wipe idea. If the purchases were refunded or transfered over (which let's be honest that's waaaay to much for 1 person to try to figure out how to make happen right now) then the resistance to the idea would drop to nearly none.
The alt being allowed in a game about competition is always a bad thing though and it would be nice to see some solution to that.
That's what I worry about cus I've bought a few P and the other shop upgrades thats a lot for one dev to fix and refund. And that's just me not to mention the 100 of alts apparently
quite simple way to do it really
people who are verified on discord as vip
get vip after reset
I bought the premium, bag upgrade, clan vault upgrades too. and bought additional premium as well
so I get it
What about other purchases like clan slots
same and some gem boosts
Temsei typing , lets wait to see what he has to say !
The money temsei will lose from people who change their mind about purchasing and people who decide to quit the game
I feel like you guys are giving too much weight to something that has only been happening for a few days in the early game stage. It's not even going to make a dent in the economy or leaderboards in the long-term
it makes a massive dent lol, if im fishing and ive got 20m from my alts abusing the game, and i buy as many fishing tiers as possible, who catches me?
wheres the competition in that
I think you fail to see the problem about the competitive aspect of it. It's not just about some people's complaining about people running alts like crazy to make bank like someone posting they had tons of gold right now that should be unrealistic for even just 3 accounts to accumalate.
alts really should be gone for good
Your dollar today isn't what it was worth 100 years ago
Like temsei said.. it won't make a dent
not talking about gold
are u able to reveal like the top 3 most farmed materals gained over since launch, so we can gloss over if it does make a huge dent in the economy in time to come
that actually makes it worse, it mean their 60m today will be worth 6b when we reach it
The government budget for specialists who control inflation is massive
And yet they can't really control it
How do you expect it to be in a game that got out of beta 3 days ago
no matter, temsei said its not a big deal.
i assume that means so wipe.
Some of us arent happy with it. its how it is. end of story
this point probably flew way over but @patent bay
if you can set up vverification needed to log in right now, i think half of the bots with resources not yet flushed into the economy will go poof
It'll be fine
@compact dragon I get what you been saying and it's a multiple topic issue but people focusing on just the idea of wiping, or 1 part of the alt problem with too much gold making for alt spamming and not every other downside of the alt-pocalypse problem.
i have a main and a alt using my real email so verification wont hurt me lol
@spice zenith i understand your point, that's why i posted it out publickly so everyone can share their opinion on the state of proposal
Okay, hopefully you're right and the issue will iron itself out, the game is still really fun and I guess we can try to ignore the leaderboards for now while we get our gains
Would be nice to purge those accounts on mining though... the generic names that have only level 7x in mining that spam that page
Not to mention on the gold side of things, them same people will still be rich when the values of things change later on. Them same people who have Billions now will have Trillions when everyone else start making their first few Billions. and Quadrillions when people make their first Trillions. Problem still will exist.
It's more like a ratio
GG @boreal fable, you just advanced to level 4!
Yeah they'll be on top but they started first and they want to compete
I don't believe this is the case because it's not like they can invest their extra coins now to earn a return that will compound.
I personally don't care about gold.. I'm playing it for the fun of it.. i got 50k
That's just basic math my friend.
i mean they definitely can
they could just buy out all premium token and wait for it to mature
like cryto

They could certainly try. I wish them luck
I dont care about the gold thing either, I am quite annoyed that alts are allowed in a game that has competition of any sort. Regardless of the nature of the game, if there are Leaderboards and Clan Rankings, it's aimed to have competition and alts skew balances every time they are allowed.
every item in the market of the game is no diff than a stock, it can go up or down
It's a huge risk
Not fun imo to fight against bots
It's a massive risk/
And the premium price is static
Let me restate. There is no "guaranteed" return they can earn on their initial investment
with the amount of alts prices are kinda terrible
At best they can have more money to play the market - a market that is almost unuseable with how bad the UI is right now
a wipe and then limiting it to only one account each person would be the best way to go i think
The idea that having an extra 10million now will mean they will have quadrillion in the future is absurd
agreed mercy
So they are going to get scammed out of their early returns by an nerd and his nerd girlfriend? Lucky them I guess.
this great idea of allowing people to go from 80 alts, to 3 wasnt a great idea lol
honestly, temsei at the moment answered the issue, so we should forget it until certain update come
youve basically got to maintain 3 accounts to compete with people or you get left behind
cuz we mostly made our point and we can't change stuff
Yes, they got an early advantage. It's only been a few days, and that advantage is likely to dribble down to next to nothing over the long term. I suspect the problem fixes itself. I'd still be happy with a reset. but I think either option is just fine and has merits
early advantage is more than u think. people who got to plat armor first then meteoric armor first got to sell their pieces for many x the price of the 2nd person to reach it
Right, but within 6 months the advantage will be almost 0 by then.
I am 100% for a wipe and no alt allowed. Everyone on even grounds and no Advantages for botters/alt abusers. I still only have my main but now i NEED to make alts to stay at least a little bit competetive. This is bad
idk how much "early advantage" it is, the big botters can afford nearly all the housing upgrades ez
Is it really just an early advantage though? that guy who made like 600 alts must have billions of gold from simply selling his ore to the NPC, could easily just buy out all gemstones and powerlevel to 99 crafting lol
Sure. Then what?
then they make everything much faster
Ok. Then what?
also 6 months is cute, im endgame at that point
game is live for 4days by now? 96hours
the whole deal is in the competetion
If this game is endgame in 6 months then it was a crap game anyways
If there are multiple of said people the top spots of many skills on leaderboard are moot
the worst thing of this all is, if I knew at the start that youre allowed more than 1 acc I wouldve made more and just funnled all into the main (which is obv not the intended way but if its allowed i guess? ) and now its limited to 3 which is a bit better but the damage is already done, if i made like 20 accounts on release day and put them all on mining I wouldve have to many more upgrade than I do now
cant just say "when we are all endgame whats the advantage of what they got?"
well thats the thing, u would assume new content will keep coming therefore that guy whos ahead will stay ahead indefinitely
preachhhhhhh
A well organized clan is going to push past someone who had a billion extra gold over a reasonably long time period. I am pretty confident in that
GG @earnest rune, you just advanced to level 4!
we're assuming these same people who did the alt stuff are still playing in 6 months time lol
yes, im pretty certain a good clan can beat the botters in a few month
I'm still confused why 3 limit was implemented, if there is no wipe just change it to 1 per person, the argument for many people playing through 1 single IP (one household) can be solved by allowing those cases to request an exemption, I doubt that is a common case
but what if the botters are members of those good clans
Well then those good clans stand a decent chance of seeing their members who have all that extra cash suddenly dissapear one day
GG @pallid tulip, you just advanced to level 10!
for sure
I know if I was in a top clan I'd be looking to turf anyone who was a known alt abuser
Too much risk
it doesnt even work properly
and at the end of the day, temsei didnt seem interested in wiping. so we prob arent getting a wipe. and thats fine
i just would have personally prefered to have 1
its because the game was design with idle in mind and not around competitive or whatever
I too dont mind a wipe or not, yeah I think it should be 1 only
i did comment in the other suggestion someone made
Skype — Yesterday at 23:27
not to mention the whole point of using an alt to mine for you, is skip part of the game.
if dev wanted you to not have to mine, he wouldnt put it there
this was the only solution
well doesnt matter what we think, tem said no wipe means no wipe
yup
we can just let this thread die now
prob should
yeah
how
its not even a solution though
i will
right click it
I can log into 3 accounts on my pc, 3 on tablet and 3 on phone
A good middleground for people who like using alts for whatever reason, could be to actually implement a system in the game that replicates it... like an upgrade that allows you to do two actions at once or something, more mechanics. (and force 1 acc per person)
Although the more I think about that idea the more it feels like that is the point of clans in the first place lol
m8's stop writing here so he can close it xD
if i can do 2 actions, i will just fight and cook meat and i can stay in combat forever
with auto eat
XD
yeah it is quite silly... but that is what many people are doing right now while jumping between their alts lol
well I mean right now I can have one alt fishing, one cooking and one farming
kinda the same thing imo
Yeah
Well if my man Temsei said that it will work itself out then Im with him
Only time will tell...
i support full wipe
bots/alts ruin the game and make it unfair/ not fun competing for leaderboards
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just let this die now plz
why? just unfollow the post
because we got the answer from him and the thread is now pointless to keep up ^^ maker tried to close it but people keep writing