Rework paladin mastery or smth

[steady turtle]

I think this suggestion violates the guidelines, since you didn't specify the rework

[rancid dagger]

Ye mb

[steady turtle]

You don't need to apologize

[rancid dagger]

I might specific what kind

Since this update really killed M paladin even more

[steady turtle]

I think you should do a rework

[rancid dagger]

Ye ama think about it what kind of rework or buff

[obsidian mesa]

I know for sure it can’t deflect hoj mastery E which I think it dumb bc it swords and a shield should be able to block or deflect a sword not go through the shield

[steady turtle]

It's a normal rework; you take the things you think should be changed and rework them

[rancid dagger]

Ye it's kinda stupid

Same thing goes with the harmonic not being able to deflect arrows

But can deflect hollow purple

Like what😭

[obsidian mesa]

Yea the logic is stupid

I say only thing that needs reworked is shield a lil bit just make it deflect hoj mastery e and for it charge I think it dumb they it send them upwards and not knocks them down it should work like a ram

[rancid dagger]

Ue

And I literally can't think of a rework for this ability

Due to pretty much having too much abilities

[obsidian mesa]

Yea true i think it much balanced and skilled ability the e and Q is ok but e+q needs a small change

[rancid dagger]

I might just make it a buff or smth

Cus M paladin is just base off the Paladin boss fight

[rancid dagger]

The charge?

[obsidian mesa]

Yea when u charge forward when u hold Q and use E

[rancid dagger]

I think they should just make it last longer

Rather then being usable for one sec

[obsidian mesa]

I don’t think it shouldn’t be longer I think it should be more effective bc why would a charge send someone upward it usually knock someone down realistically for it can be better for combos

[rancid dagger]

True true

But overall the ability gimmick is what makes it unique (except for barrier)

N mech

[fleet reef]

UPDATE BLAHHHHHHH

New Content

• Added mind control

Major Changes

• Buffed dos
• return E now has no cooldown
• return Q is infinite
• God punch will now have 99 walkspeed
• Barriers passive is buffed
• Brickbattler is nerfed
• Army now spawns six units, if one unit dies, the rest become doctors and heals everyone
• Stardust E has infinite range and Q has larger aoe and faster attack
• Punches are now converted to kicks
• Engineer buff, rams deal more knockback and damage
• UFO mas buff tractor beam is faster

[obsidian mesa]

I say barrier is unqiue because it does focus on being it own thing which is a barrier but I can help u make a rework and changes for Paladin mastery I was gonna also make gravity mastery rework

[rancid dagger]

Thanks

I was thinking of changing how to charge work

Like once you ram into someone you stop and ragdoll them

[fleet reef]

Wait I also forgot in the update they added ability fusion machines

Which means u can combine dos and return

[obsidian mesa]

Yea that can work and knockback them back as well

[rancid dagger]

Ye

Now for the hammer throw

Instead of just returning after hitting someone

Make it change direction

So it can hit others

[fleet reef]

That's boomerang

[rancid dagger]

Brother boomerang alr exist 😭

[obsidian mesa]

I think hammer throw is okay I think it needs another variant to make it more reliable maybe like charge the hammer and swing the hammer doing more knockback or make it where u swing it and spin u around knocking them away with more knockback

[fleet reef]

Bro the thing u suggested is basically boomerang

For it to change direction

[obsidian mesa]

Yea he ain’t lying it is boomerang

[rancid dagger]

Yeehh I see it now

[rancid dagger]

Also I haven't think of thus

This is a better idea

[rancid dagger]

Should also we do a rework on the shield or nah

[obsidian mesa]

The shield is okay it just needs deflect hoj mastery e that only real problem with it besides that it can handle every other projectiles

[rancid dagger]

I think that is basically it

Anything else you wanna add before I put this

[obsidian mesa]

I think it fine

[rancid dagger]

Alr

[obsidian mesa]

Just make sure u format it good

[rancid dagger]

Alr

For the charge is:

Charge now ragdoll and knock back people and it also stop once it hit a player

For the hammer is;

Hammer throw now scales off on how long you hold it,
The longer you hold it the stronger the hammer's dmg and speed increases

For shield is:

Make it's deflect more accurate like how it should deflect HOJ sword arrow according to it's aim towards the shield

[rancid dagger]

Give you're option on this rih

[obsidian mesa]

Ok that charge is ok and also what I mean by the swing I meant by physical swing like for example holding e will let u charge up your hammer and swing for stronger hits if u get what I mean not the more hammer throw

Also u should add that in the actual suggestion I can help u with the formatting if u want

[rancid dagger]

Well I can't just go "just instantly add this without a opion" cus it would take more time to actually make this rework suggestions

[obsidian mesa]

Yea true

But you can do this for the formatting I show u

[rancid dagger]

Btw do you mean by the the hammer rework is

Basically just charging it up for more dmg

[obsidian mesa]

For more knockback not damage it deal same damage as hammer throw it just ragdoll them and knock them away bc hammer throw can be hard hit if u opponent good at dodging

[rancid dagger]

True

Hmmm

Alr

I am tryna think if hammer throw should just be a charge up hammer since hammer throw isn't that alot of a use

Basically what am tryna say is:

Instead of just throwing it

Just charge it up for more knock back(as you said)

[rancid dagger]

What do ya think?

[obsidian mesa]

Yes like that for a stronger hit or we can combine that with the charge when u hit charge into them and hit them with hammer and knock them away and down

I was gonna say hammer smash but that way to overused

[rancid dagger]

True true

Alr so it's just the hammer that needs fixing

[fleet reef]

I am the paladin

[rancid dagger]

For the hammer is:

Instead of throwing it now charge up the hammer and the longer you hold/charge it the more knock back it deal(it still applies the ragdoll effect upon on contact)

[fleet reef]

I throw hammers

And I use shields

Deleted Message: STFU-

[rancid dagger]

Is that ok or nah

[fleet reef]

From @rancid dagger

[obsidian mesa]

Yea that ok but what about this one I wanna see your opinion I just combined it with the charge

Q+E Bulwark Strike:

When charging into a player, instead of knocking them upwards, you'll now deliver a powerful hammer swing, knocking them back and down while dealing the same amount of damage from old charge.

[rancid dagger]

That's

Actually a more accurate charge

[rancid dagger]

Alr so that's pretty it?

[rancid dagger]

Anything else you wanna add?

[obsidian mesa]

Yes and idk I gotta really think of something unqiue bc their not pretty much u can rlly do with the hammer we can’t use the smash bc most abilites uses it like Midas, base Paladin and defender mastery hammer path

[rancid dagger]

Alr

[rancid dagger]

Also i think I can't do format since am mobile

Plus idk how to do it so

Ama just add it to the text

[obsidian mesa]

I do it for u

[rancid dagger]

Alr

[rancid dagger]

Lemme just

Add the things we came up with

[obsidian mesa]

Ok I will

[rancid dagger]

M paladin rework suggestion by rihrihrtk2 and amarealperson2

Charge to bulwark strike:

Instead of just knocking the oppent back it now knockback them back and down and it will stop charging upon hitting the opponent

Hammer throw to hammer strike:

Instead of throwing the hammer it now charge it up dealing more knockback but same dmg

For shield make it's deflection more accurate

[rancid dagger]

What ya think?

[obsidian mesa]

Also wait we can use the smash what thing I noticed about the abilites like base Paladin and other that uses it smash it more like a jump and smash we can use the smash but it won’t make them jump like hold e and smash the hammer onto them and ragdoll them since it different smash and I also doing the format rn

I making sure it neat

[rancid dagger]

We could do that BUT

It might have some references to

Midas

[obsidian mesa]

Well not rlly if u think about because it original from Paladin already and it makes bc well it a hammer it smashes thing the only difference you don’t gain height when doing the move it ground based smashed

It keeps u on the ground if u know what I mean

[rancid dagger]

I guess you are also right on this one

[rancid dagger]

Alr

[rancid dagger]

Am still thinking on

[rancid dagger]

How am I gonna add this

We could do is

Add this as a third ability or

A combo ability

[rancid dagger]

What's you opion take on adding this one rihrih

[obsidian mesa]

A second ability for E like a variant since we made since we got one for the charge already so we keeping both of these

[rancid dagger]

Alr

So basically

[rancid dagger]

After bulwark strike was use

[rancid dagger]

Or charge hammer was use

[obsidian mesa]

charge hammer use for the E

[rancid dagger]

The E ability would have a variant ability that does smth different

After using charge hammer

That's actually pretty unique of an idea rih

[rancid dagger]

Alr so

I think that's it

[rancid dagger]

Anything else you wanna add?

[rancid dagger]

WIAT WAIT WAIT

[rancid dagger]

Should we make it aoe or nah?

That's a important question

[obsidian mesa]

Maybe not aoe it be direct hit and ragdoll them for good amount of time so u can combo extend off it because Paladin mastery needs to be more melee based

[rancid dagger]

Alr

Soooooooo

Here is all that we came up now

M paladin rework suggestion by rihrihrtk2 and amarealperson2:

Charge to bulwark strike:
Instead of just charging and knocking a oppent back it now applies the ragdoll effect and knocking them back and down(same dmg and single target)

Hammer throw to charge hammer:
It now charges up the hammer instead of throwing it, the longer you charge or hold E the stronger the knock back is also applying the ragdoll effect upon on impact (same dmg and a single target)

E variant after using charge hammer: smash
Upon landing this E variant it Ragdolls the oppent on the ground for a about 5 seconds(20 dmg and single target)

Shield now can accurately deflects projectiles base off the physics of the projectile ands how it's aimed

[rancid dagger]

Give you're option on. This rih

[rancid dagger]

I also added few stuff if you don'mind

[obsidian mesa]

Yea I don’t and I did this hammer smash and charge

Q+E - Bulwark Strike:

When charging into a player, instead of knocking them upwards, you'll now deliver a powerful hammer swing, knocking them back and away while dealing the same amount of damage from old charge.

E Variant - Hammer Smash

When holding the E ability and charging up the hammer, similar to unmastered Paladin's E ability, the user does not jump or gain height. Instead, they will smash their hammer onto the ground. Any player hit directly will be stunned for a short amount of time and knocked down, dealing 15 damage.

[obsidian mesa]

Just tell me what u think

[rancid dagger]

You forgot to add charge hammer

But overall well done

[obsidian mesa]

No I did it the hammer smash when u hold e it charges it

I think we done tho and don’t forget to add shield deflecting projectiles hoj mastery E

[rancid dagger]

Alr

[obsidian mesa]

Also should we make a new suggestion this one to cluttered

[rancid dagger]

So I will just copy n paste this and add the accurate shield buff?

Alr lemme just copy and paste it