#Duality (custom ability rework)

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supple frost
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Idea:

** A rework of custom ability because it is outclassed by god punch in (almost) every way. **
This is sad, because it costs the same as god punch but less powerful.
Duality goes off of a commonly suggested idea for a long time, which is being able to combine abilities.

Stand:

In the lobby, the stand will look similar to the current custom stand, but with god punch in one hand and freeze in the other. The customize button will still be present, which will be explained below. The tag will be a gradient, moving from black to white. If possible, the outline will contrast this, going from white to black.
After purchasing the gamepass and customizing it, the stand will change the god punch and freeze to different abilities, to help better show which abilities are equipped without going into the customize menu.

Customize:

After clicking on the customize button, it brings the player to a similar menu to the current custom ability. When selecting E, they can choose a compatible ability, and when choosing Q, they can do the exact same thing. Unless it is a broken ability, allow them to access a submenu after clicking the ability to select which ability.
This may be seen as overpowered because of certain combos, but the menu will automatically remove options if it does something unwanted with the other combo ability.
-# This menu will also be impacted by a potential mastery (see below)

E ability: Ability 1

This ability is fully customizable in the menu. See "customize" above for more.

Q ability: Ability 2

This ability is fully customizable in the menu. See "customize" above for more.

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Uniqueness:

-# All of the ideas provided are optional additions to the base ability. If it may seem like it is too complicated to add all of them, just choose some favorites.

Fission Bar:

A bar is shown at the top of the player's screen, regardless of ability. It has a max capacity of 1000.

Ways to fill:

The bar will passively increase by 1 every second. Every punch adds 10, kills add 100, abilities hitting adds 20 per person, and using an ability and having it miss / using a non-offensive ability will take away 10.
-# If the bar is below 10, the player cannot use abilities.

R ability: Ability Beam

If the player has over 500 fission, releases a beam at default (some abilities, such as stardust, will change it to things such as a star). Other abilities will enhance the beam, giving it status effects and stats.
-# For example, if the player has midas and blood god equipped, the player will be turned into gold and teleported to the blood god dimension afterward. (If you're wondering why blood god doesn't do bleeding, it might, but that might be reserved for another ability like vampire, along with life steal.)

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Mastery:

Mastery Requirements:

Duality mastery will require the player to reach the moon while using custom, but also have meteor equipped. The player will not suffocate and instead be allowed to summon a meteor on the moon. This will create a flash and teleport the player to an apocalyptic obby.
In the obby, there is a large pit of lava beneath you along with some floating platforms. Dramatic music will be playing in the background, and the player will have reduced gravity.
Meteors will be falling around and on the obby, destroying platforms behind you. Upon reaching the end, the player will automatically equip duality but with the sun and moon, and they will use it to fight off waves of enemies called "penetrators" which appear like spikes. The penetrators will attempt to reach the middle of the crater, where an orb stands. The orb will slowly grow and award the player with the badge after 2 minutes.
Penetrators will have 100 HP and undo 10 seconds of the orb's progress.
After the orb fully grows, it will absorb everything on the screen and kill the player. This awards the badge.
Upon failing the obby, the player will be teleported back to the beginning of the obby and failing while fighting the waves will teleport the player to the beginning of the fight.

Sun sub-ability:

Creates a pillar of flame similar to mage's fire attack. This deals vertical knockback and 50 damage to penetrators.

Moon sub-ability:

Summons a fragment of moon rock and throws it at the cursor. This deals no knockback but 2 second stun and 50 damage to penetrators.

Mastery behavior:

In the menu, the player can also select a passive (god punch excluded) to play with. The player can also select abilities that come from masteries.

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Balancing:

Some aspects of this may become broken/unbalanced or hard to code, but some balancing ideas can be helpful (This is for the main ability ONLY, mastery and fission are free to be changed as much as needed)

Broken Combo Patch:

Some combos may lead to broken or unwanted outcomes, such as butter + blood god being able to permanently trap players in the blood dimension. I propose 3 fixes for this problem.

Fix 1: Auto block

If some combos lead to broken outcomes, simply prevent the player from doing these by preventing the player from selecting the option with the other one equipped.

Fix 2: Report combos

Add a report combo button to the menu, which will send the combo similar to a feedback button. This can help discover strange combos before they are abused too much (Also add the "Report combo" button in the settings, in case the victim is reporting it and they do not have the gamepass.)

Fix 3: Nerfing 😄

The last and most obvious fix to this would be nerfing the combo altogether, which can easily be checked for with an if-statement (For example, make the player only be able to stay as butter for up to 5 seconds in the blood god dimension)

Update Integration:

One of the main reasons why abilities are removed or not included is that it must be updated every new version of the game. This gets annoying, so I have 3 potential fixes.

Fix 1: Heavy modularization

For the skeleton of the code, make it automatically add abilities to the list using a for loop, and manually remove unwanted ones. This may require lots of work, but it will make it a lot easier to add.

Fix 2: Limited options

Instead of having most compatible abilities be available, make a specific list of abilities so that the list does not need constant updating.

"Fix" 3: Never update

Simply never update the ability and leave as-is, unless it becomes game-breaking.

Feel free to add onto this with any other ideas!

hearty tree
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What are you on

supple frost
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i know but god punch is still overused

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also can you delete that post up there because it gets in the way of the formatting?

hearty tree
hearty tree
supple frost
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rework / buff

hearty tree
supple frost
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yea

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you aint gonna keep the exact same power level no matter how similar the rework is

hearty tree
supple frost
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I dozed off with the requirements

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the purpose is the main part

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i do like the moon part tho because it is underused; however, the obby and defense part is really weird

hearty tree
honest socket
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is this a type of thing where you can make an ability with any of the other abilities in the game

supple frost
honest socket
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ok

supple frost
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Its not a central part of the ability tho

hearty tree
supple frost
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i tried formatting this time

honest socket
supple frost
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You can find what you need relatively easily

hearty tree
supple frost
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look at any other idea

honest socket
supple frost
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it aint gonna be 2 sentences

hearty tree
supple frost
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i mean

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like yea

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but still

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readable

hearty tree
supple frost
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i bet around 30% of suggestions are longer than this

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and it gets the information out

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without compacting it too much

honest socket
supple frost
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true

hearty tree
supple frost
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brb

hearty tree
supple frost
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yea

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unless it gets weird/overpowered

hearty tree
honest socket
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i dont think he read the whole suggestion

supple frost
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its kinda given that dual abilities would be removed (such as flying with 2 flight abilities)

hearty tree
supple frost
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also, something that i forgot to put in there was that you can only use abilities that you have unlocked (i know, duh. but still, somebody could start an argument over it)

hearty tree
supple frost
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most of the time

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but you can only have 2 abilities equipped at once

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for balancing and because almost every fanmade ability wants to incorperate 3 abilities

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even if the 3rd one is bad

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i bet it gets old

hearty tree
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Ok

supple frost
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bump

supple frost
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Bump

frail crane
supple frost
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explain.

frail crane
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ONE SENTENCE

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and it's alr stupid

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custom is a god compared to gp

supple frost
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yet i see more people using god punch

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personally i agree with you

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but i wanna get less people to use god punch

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plus

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this is a demanded feature

frail crane
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find me one suggestion with some upvotes that says this

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alr

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i can see that this is prob your first suggestion

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but it's still terrible

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i will deduct one rank for it being your first

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this is deserving of a new rank beyond 🚷

supple frost
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i heard several people say it in-game

frail crane
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but

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1 rank down

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so 🚷 /🚷

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and a tomato for good measure

frail crane
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suure

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ykw

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i'll just leave

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the other suggestion reviewers can figure this out

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but maybe don't include "gp>custom" as your first sentence

supple frost
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im saying gp is overused

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not that its better

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if in the right hands, custom can outclass most abilities with certain combinations

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like dart w/ oiling and giga disk

candid torrent
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oh yeah Bloodgod doesnt even last infinitely dude

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it ends after 30s

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also why add this is you're just going to limit ability combos

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that just sounds unfun to the player

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as they might wanna test out a combo, only to see its blacklisted

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also so much extra effort

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like theyll always be loopholes

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like cant we have restrictions built into the ruleset

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and not have the solution be some bs to avoid the problem altogether

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cause rn that solution is just something that makes the ability lamer

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i also disagree with the sentiment that "custom is weak"

quiet geode
errant agate
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Same boring idea but more words

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Nah

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Also won’t even get a mastery anyways due to the fact it’s a gamepass ability

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Effort down the drain honestly

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I’d rather rework god pinch to make it on par with custom than rework custom to make it annoying and remove everything unique about it

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Also as been said before, any one ability ability would automatically get upgraded if ANY other ability goes on the other slot, regardless of how op it is.

errant agate
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Never updating ends up leaving the ability pretty much exactly like 100 players is: dead, desolate, and missing a ton of content

rustic crater
errant agate
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And leaving specific options doesn’t really make it any more custom than current custom is (if anything, less)

errant agate
rustic crater
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NAHH

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THATS IT

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My beloved kick and double jump

errant agate
errant agate
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Not a very high one but a chance

rustic crater
stray forum
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@hearty cedar

supple frost
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Double jump should change requirements

supple frost
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Mainly the solution depends on the skeletal structure of the game

dim tiger
supple frost
errant agate
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Making it just “mash whatever you want” makes custom just boring

fossil minnow
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Too broken

supple frost
static plank
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in a fight custom would almost always win against god punch

static plank
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also by buying this, don't you basically just unlock every ability in the game?

supple frost
supple frost
supple frost
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i just noted that gp was overused

static plank
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This is just a generic idea for custom

supple frost
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true

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still; I've seen people be disappointed that custom doesn't allow mixing of other abilities

static plank
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Every ability is made with a clear role in mind

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Some are speedsters

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Some are ranged

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Some are damage dealers

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Some are wildcards

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Etc etc

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Abilities in ability wars specifically have moves that synergises well with each other

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For example overcharge

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Overcharge’s passive allows you to stun someone

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Which allows you to combo it with a punch or a move that helps extend combos

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Combo is an ability that allows you to dash

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Which allows you to close the distance and execute combos depending on the situation

static plank
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And what’s the point of using it if any combination that is meta will be banned

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You’re effectively using an unfinished ability

supple frost
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It's ones that break the game

static plank
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Think about it

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Time E + God punch E

supple frost
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If you use it right

static plank
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Or Time E + Quantum E

supple frost
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Like all abilities

static plank
supple frost
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Quantum e doesn't insta you

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So that stays

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Both parts of the attack are avoidable

static plank
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Ok

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That’s fair enough I guess

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But I have one more counterpoint to this

supple frost
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Ok

static plank
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Mind control

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Mind control was an ability in ability wars that allowed you to temporarily possess someone and control their movements and moves

supple frost
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I know they had to update it too much

static plank
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So now

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Do you really think the devs are willing to not only remove their work on custom

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But also add the equivalent of like

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90+ abilities

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And their moves

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Into one ability

supple frost
static plank
supple frost
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Like defender and passive only

static plank
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Still that’s alot of abilities

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If we exclude passives

supple frost
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But it would give custom an update

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And it is only around 60, which (depending on the formatting of the abilities) might be able to be exported easier

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Then again

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I don't know how they set up the abilities

static plank
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Imo it’s not worth all the hard work, backlash, and maintenance just to add a meh version of custom

static plank
supple frost
static plank
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But you do you I guess

supple frost
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Alr I'm at school so I can't respond for 7 hours

stark compass
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