"SENTRY" Ability

[balmy kelp]

might change punch req idk

[obtuse remnant]

interesting idea

do sentry users get immunity to hits of other sentry users like trees/mushrooms do

[balmy kelp]

Oh right
Yeah they do I just forgot to mention that specifically

[balmy kelp]

I think I should add a few more

[craggy sandal]

I want to be able to clash with other armies

so 👍

[balmy kelp]

maybe.. tell me what you mean by that

[craggy sandal]

Have our armies fight eachover it would be fun

[balmy kelp]

Yea it'd actually be kinda sick .. I think .....

[pale wadi]

cool idea 😄

[balmy kelp]

[balmy kelp]

I should mention that the bullet from the gun can go far beyond the radius of the flag (letting you hit people from far away)

But you can only shoot while in RADIUS of the flag

[balmy kelp]

Also Bonus:

But would you guys prefer a singular powerful musket, or the gun?

[viral sentinel]

So like, this is a "defend the flag" ability

[balmy kelp]

yyyup

also hi wrath

[viral sentinel]

My name is not wrath

Ok one thing I may have a problem with

What if you are fighting like

A knockback heavy ability

Like midas

Or jello

Where you are constantly forced out of the flag zone

[viral sentinel]

What about that

[balmy kelp]

hhhhh

i mean not every ability has to be good

this having its obvious counter sounds fun for me

[viral sentinel]

I don't really see anyone having fun with it

[balmy kelp]

shrug
idk who i am then

[balmy kelp]

then whats your name

[viral sentinel]

MMM

[balmy kelp]

sounds weird to call you by a common expression people use

[viral sentinel]

I'll be back in a few minutes

[viral sentinel]

It's pronounced ememem, not mmm

[balmy kelp]

eminem been quiet since you dropped

[viral sentinel]

Ok question

How fast does it take for a flag to fully deplete

And can a flag drain while both the sentry and an enemy are inside

[pale wadi]

Oh may gad his wrathful critic MMM!!!!

[balmy kelp]

Yes the flag can drain if both the sentry and enemy are inside to prevent infi camping (cause yk, Sentry's can team up)

[viral sentinel]

so like

the sentry cannot fight

AT ALL

outside of the flag

or without a flag

correct?

[balmy kelp]

yyup

[short wasp]

Wdym you can only attack while inside the radius

[balmy kelp]

trust me if you could just attack at anytime the moveset is busted

i made ts for a reason ..

anyway otherwise some changes i can actually propose

You can attack outside the radius only if you have a flag placed down
If you don't have a flag, no attacking

[short wasp]

Isnt like capturing it is easy then

[balmy kelp]

do you wanna deal with someone shooting at you for 19 minutes straight

[short wasp]

Just hit or stun anyhow the person and then they are helpless and kill em

[short wasp]

Overcharge

[short wasp]

I mean yeah every ability had a counter 4 it so

[balmy kelp]

What's stopping them from respawning though ....

[short wasp]

That sounds good

I though it could work like army or robot that spawns a sentry but well

[balmy kelp]

no. never.

im referring to a gatekeeper sentry

not a machine-gun sentry

thats for an ENGINEER!!

unless you wanna become a sentry

[balmy kelp]

wait a minute

[short wasp]

Sentry ability:
turns you into ultrakill sentry asf

[balmy kelp]

yeah this moveset kinda makes you a sentry

i say moveset cause im rotten

[short wasp]

Yeah thats a good one

But slicer's sword is bad tho

[balmy kelp]

No litteraly you: Sit in one spot anyway
And you have a ranged move with infinite ammo

[balmy kelp]

Not if you MAIN SLICER 24/7!!! like i do

[short wasp]

Is this inspired by d.i.g.

It feels like it

[balmy kelp]

whats d.i.g.

[short wasp]

Aww man

Theres an class that wields sword (saber) and revolver and this game revolves around flags n stuff

[short wasp]

I mean it revolves around digging trenches and war but

To win you have to capture a flag

[obtuse remnant]

i think there should be an award for using the same flag and not spawning a new one each time

[balmy kelp]

it gets complicated to balance from there honestly id just leave it to talk

[viral sentinel]

ngl

the ability kinda seems

a bit too weak

[balmy kelp]

you dont get it... do you....

[viral sentinel]

how long does it take for the flag to expire naturally/with enemy interference

[viral sentinel]

I mean I could just be not getting something

[balmy kelp]

i forgot wether or not i mentioned it

but a full 45 sec or 1 mon

min*

[viral sentinel]

that's naturally or

[balmy kelp]

i mean the flag going down slows by 25% for each sentry in it....

[viral sentinel]

what if an enemy is in range

[balmy kelp]

okay so like imagine a ratio system

idk how ratios work though

(sentry_amount):(enemy_amoubt)

amount*

1 sentryv3 players

1:3 ratio

!!!

and thats how fast it drains✨

[viral sentinel]

Ok is this like

Supposed to have you team up with players

Like mushroom

[balmy kelp]

best used when teaming

but otherwise somewhat good on its own

[viral sentinel]

Ok wait to clarify

A flag fully drains in 1 minute

And a flag with 1 enemy in the range drains twice as fast

Or am I misunderstanding something

[balmy kelp]

what!!

no i mean like

the flag ONLY drains when an enemy is inside

its like capture the flag

[viral sentinel]

And what if I like

Instead of capturing the flag

Beat the shit out of the sentry

Like get this

Sentry cannot fight back outside of the flag range

You cannot replace the flag because the current one is up

It's basically an insta loss against any kb heavy ability

[balmy kelp]

and that's good

ignore the sentry and you get a guy who keeps shooting at people nonstop

[viral sentinel]

Remind me, how many kb heavy abilities are there?

[balmy kelp]

target sentry, problem solved

[balmy kelp]

ignoring railgun cause it takes long enough anyway

mmmm

not much actually

[viral sentinel]

Also it shouldn't just be kb, it should be anything that can reliably get you out of the flag zone to convert you into a vegetable

[balmy kelp]

grap- ohh rightt

idk i i dont find it a problem

[viral sentinel]

The problem is that I feel like it can be super hard countered by a lot of things

When I say a lot I mean

[balmy kelp]

well if you really so badly want a fix

[viral sentinel]

More than half of all the abilities

[balmy kelp]

id reduce ragdoll when in flag

[viral sentinel]

The problem is

[balmy kelp]

not reduce

just get rid of it entirely then

[viral sentinel]

If you get knocked out of the flag

[balmy kelp]

kb is still an issue

[balmy kelp]

kinda the point

[viral sentinel]

You cannot fight back

[balmy kelp]

the flag radius isnt small

[viral sentinel]

And cannot replace it

[balmy kelp]

if you could then theres no point placing one down

like its fine if an ability has its counter

[viral sentinel]

Also another question

[balmy kelp]

im just experimenting with a gimmick

[balmy kelp]

not everything has to be meta

[viral sentinel]

Is the flag buff hitbox a sphere or a cylinder

[balmy kelp]

sphere obviously why

[viral sentinel]

No it just feels way too weak

[balmy kelp]

i dont see it that way

but if you want to

attack outside the flag range

then the flag has to give a buff

and i HATE buffs

[viral sentinel]

No it's more so the fact that

The flag cannot despawn without enemies capturing it

So it cannot go on cooldown

So if I get knocked far away from my flag, I cannot do anything at all

[balmy kelp]

other than strength alch i cant find any other gigantic kb abilities

gigantic btw not

big

crystal is manageable

i never met a midas user

uhhh

rage is

its something

yada yada

ill be back i got school

[viral sentinel]

ok

[pale wadi]

I like cher

[balmy kelp]

ok im home are there any other high kb abilities i forgot about

other than dos

[viral sentinel]

Ok so the main problem I have with this is

This is just a slicer with a ripoff of crafter's gun that requires a deployable area to be able to fight back

And this is against like

Midas, both cosmos, both magnets, plasma, rage, engineer, both armies, stardust, pirate, grapple

Both alchemists

And any other unmentioned ability that is good at forcing you away from your attack area

Hell, UFO mas

Or even potentially RETURN

I say, what if outside of the flag area you could punch but they do 1 damage and still do normal knockback

So you aren't a helpless vegetable outside of the area that gets beaten to death by, get this, anything that can force you out of your area

Also, anything ranged on high ground can just shoot you and you can't do shit because crafter cannot aim vertically

[balmy kelp]

ok fine ..

[balmy kelp]

what if i made it a musket and it can aim vertically like bounty hunter mas

oh and the sword style can parry attacks

[viral sentinel]

where the hell did that come from

Where is it mentioned that SWORD PARRIES

[balmy kelp]

hoj

ok yk the more i keep trying to keep this idea afloat the more it dies

im just gonna delete it rq

[viral sentinel]

But this is sentry, not HOJ

[viral sentinel]

It's not necessarily bad but

It does seem very difficult to balance

Considering that your main fighting condition is an area

[balmy kelp]

cause i tried playing with a gimmick and yeah turns out if you make your only way of dealing damage to stand in a gladiator arena

shi gets boring

[viral sentinel]

And like

500 bad matchups

How do you make RETURN viable against it

That's an actual achievement

[balmy kelp]

now im thinking harder

wanna make return mas

[viral sentinel]

your choice