#A new return rework proposal

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winter badger
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disliked at the passive, tomatoed at the R

royal flower
winter badger
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passive is hella annoying and makes it even more of an immortal default

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R is somehow even more hella annoying

royal flower
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It's not immortality if you have to die but ig

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Ok how is R annoying it's literally just a shared healthpool

winter badger
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also WHY does it remove punch rewards from death?

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are you TRYING to make noobs quit the game?

royal flower
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You really think anyone is gonna care about a 5 punch difference?

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Also I'm still tryna understand how the R is annoying

winter badger
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also the R is stupid because
1 - stupidly useless in most scenarios
2 - hardly useful in scenarios it is useful in
3 - completely pointless no matter what

royal flower
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It's useful if you're low on health

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Which is like alot of the time

storm stirrup
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this solves nothing about return and just makes it more annoying

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what is the point of this

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geniunely

royal flower
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And also a bit less OP

storm stirrup
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return is practically immortal and you made it worse

winter badger
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honestly i didnt think return could get worse till i read this suggestion

storm stirrup
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and like why does that passive even exist

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it serves no purpose

royal flower
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Lore accuracy

storm stirrup
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nobody will notice it

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its useless

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gameplay over lore accuracy

winter badger
storm stirrup
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always

royal flower
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Re:zero

winter badger
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never heard of that before

royal flower
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Bruh

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How

winter badger
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anyways gameplay is better than lore accuracy

storm stirrup
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oh yeah you also self upvoted

royal flower
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Just wait till you learn gravity is based on JJK and hoj is based on Fate

winter badger
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making it somehow even more immortal is a bad game design choice

storm stirrup
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shame on you!!!!

royal flower
winter badger
winter badger
royal flower
royal flower
winter badger
royal flower
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Also find if the the passive kinda annoying

royal flower
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Go check all the good one rn

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And see how they def upvoted themself

winter badger
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when your suggestion has like a bajillion likes you can self-like it without most noticing

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when your suggestion is terrible and has no likes your self-like becomes way more obvious

storm stirrup
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they still deserve the shame if they self upvote anyways

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just cuz people do it dont make it good

raw talon
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How do you switch our of return if you just respawn immediately

winter badger
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self-liking is just ego tbh

royal flower
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That make no sense people been selfupvoting since the start of the channel

royal flower
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Do y'all think any big suggestions ever started out as not self-upvoted

winter badger
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yep

royal flower
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Answer is no

raw talon
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Like 2 of mine did

winter badger
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one of mine has 22 likes without self-like

royal flower
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Anyway I'll delete that passive it's mostly annoying

winter badger
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i gotta check smth rq

royal flower
rugged tide
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it his again
The goat trying make a single good return suggestion đŸ„č

jade prawnBOT
winter badger
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that many punches yet still no eye for balancing

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shame

rugged tide
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Bro don't buff Q cooldown omfg

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Buff*

raw talon
royal flower
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I am aware it's OP rn which is why I need your thought on how to balance but y'all seem more obsessed over self like or whatever

rugged tide
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Yeah R is purely rage bait

raw talon
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I feel like you could do some cool shit with e

winter badger
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i'd say 2s immortality with a 10s cooldown is pretty stupid

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doesnt seem fun to go against nor use

royal flower
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R is a literal health pool it's a common ability in almost any figthigame ever

rugged tide
raw talon
rugged tide
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On roblox battlegrounds

winter badger
winter badger
royal flower
raw talon
rugged tide
winter badger
royal flower
royal flower
rugged tide
raw talon
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Isn’t it like

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One of the most iconic games

rugged tide
winter badger
royal flower
rugged tide
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ok bro

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MK DON'T have health pool moves

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You can trust me man

winter badger
rugged tide
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The max you will get is MK X totems from the stongy blu guy

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But there just affect the user

royal flower
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But the others are right just checked to be sure

rugged tide
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I also play some street fighter and the ones i play dont have this shit

royal flower
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Marvel rivals being the most obvious with Adam Warlock ofc but others have stuffs very similar

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Also I'm still waiting on actual criticisms

rugged tide
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We said

royal flower
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Ok the passive suck yes I got that

winter badger
rugged tide
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Remove R
Remove Q buffs
Remove passive

royal flower
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It's a nerf

winter badger
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low cooldown

royal flower
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And why would I delete R exactly

winter badger
royal flower
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Y'all just said it's to OP make up your mind

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Also low cd doesn't mean it's arguably better

winter badger
rugged tide
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also remove the health thing from E
Is basically a free full heal

royal flower
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2s is nothing

rugged tide
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Midas is 0.75s

royal flower
royal flower
olive jacinth
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passive too OP đŸ« 

rugged tide
olive jacinth
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people cant get kills, essentially only giving them punches

rugged tide
royal flower
olive jacinth
raw talon
rugged tide
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You can't die but is not op ✌

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Very balanced pals!

olive jacinth
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you already made so many rework/mastery proposals of return

royal flower
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Return by death still mean you died

rugged tide
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This is the worst

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I NEED TO AGREE

olive jacinth
royal flower
rugged tide
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This is the worst rework

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U made

royal flower
olive jacinth
royal flower
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That's literally the whole principle is that you die

olive jacinth
royal flower
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No

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Because you respawn

winter badger
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in my opinion return should have the E be chargeable by damaging people and the Q should slow you during invincibility

olive jacinth
royal flower
olive jacinth
rugged tide
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deleted Q buffs and R too

royal flower
olive jacinth
winter badger
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now that i think about it that passive made it the perfect dos counter

royal flower
rugged tide
royal flower
rugged tide
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Atleast mine rework didn't had 8k dislikes bro

royal flower
royal flower
olive jacinth
royal flower
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It had like 7/7 likes ratio

olive jacinth
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u did like 3 return mastery suggestions and 2 return rework suggs

rugged tide
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7 dumb kidss that dont read on likes
7 normal people on dislikes

royal flower
olive jacinth
royal flower
royal flower
rugged tide
royal flower
rugged tide
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Everyone that liked ur post was member role or Brickbattler smth

royal flower
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Mentality of a hater lol, hate what doesn't agree

olive jacinth
rugged tide
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Now we are rage baiting

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U got nothing better to do?

royal flower
olive jacinth
royal flower
rugged tide
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i replaced mastery by rework (is different)

royal flower
olive jacinth
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the passive just straight up sucks

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for everyone

royal flower
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I literally made an entirely new rework but oooh since I made one before it's obvious the same

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Y'all so obsessed over the passive it's low-key funny like ok we get it

rugged tide
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Just stop doing return reworks

olive jacinth
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you already got your 5 chances

royal flower
rugged tide
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And masterys

rugged tide
olive jacinth
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exactly

royal flower
supple cloak
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hol up, did idkpseudo2 fell off

rugged tide
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Don't try rage bait at this point man

olive jacinth
royal flower
olive jacinth
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theyre argumenting with hating and that

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why should it be our fault if the suggestion sucks

rugged tide
royal flower
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Because I'm actively asking how to improve it and y'all simply be like uuugh it suck uugh this bad this that

rugged tide
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L fell off

olive jacinth
royal flower
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And no "delete R" isn't a recommendation

rugged tide
olive jacinth
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yeah like idk what you want from us

rugged tide
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Everyone WANTS THIS R TO BE DELETED

olive jacinth
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make a better suggestion

royal flower
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2

rugged tide
royal flower
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You're not everyone you're just loud

rugged tide
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And 1 self like

royal flower
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4 dislikes doesn't mean it's about the R

olive jacinth
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and why it just straight up sucks to self like

rugged tide
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@raw talon what u think about the R?

royal flower
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God self like hater are genuinely so cringe when did that happen

rugged tide
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@winter badger what u think about R?

raw talon
rugged tide
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3 people

raw talon
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Like an unavoidable cards e

rugged tide
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Now lets wait tomas

royal flower
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Asking all the one that actively dislike what'd you'd expect

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That's like probability 101

raw talon
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I actually didn’t even react lol

olive jacinth
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yeah lol

rugged tide
royal flower
olive jacinth
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anyways

winter badger
olive jacinth
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dont make more rework suggestions or make BETTER ones

royal flower
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Welp here come the fourth one

rugged tide
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See
EVERYONE HATED R

raw talon
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It’s mostly r that’s ynow

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Bad

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Im fine with everything else tbh

royal flower
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Ok so some said OP some said bad I'm still waiting to understand how it's bad or good or whatever

rugged tide
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Lwk remove Q buffs an R already đŸ„č

raw talon
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It’s just r

royal flower
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How is R whatever y'all think it is

raw talon
royal flower
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Ok how

raw talon
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No matter what you use, you’ll get damaged

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Or whatever anyone else used

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Inside or outside the fight

rugged tide
raw talon
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A random ass projectile hits someone who is inside your health pool and you’re all getting punished

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Try to fight the return user

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You get punished

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And might i add

royal flower
rugged tide
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Lwk this was purely to make DoS suffers

raw talon
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Why is this GOOD for the return user?

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Like

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The return user can’t fight either

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Nobody can fight without getting punished

royal flower
rugged tide
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I think u just hate DoS users

raw talon
royal flower
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Eh 3am I'm getting tired, prob gonna delete this in the morning

olive jacinth
royal flower
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But feel free to leave criticism

raw talon
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With a shared hp you can go onto your opponent and take less damage than usual

royal flower
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Might do more who know

rugged tide
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Please stop doing return suggestions

royal flower
rugged tide
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Is just getting annoying

royal flower
rugged tide
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And each time less effort

olive jacinth
royal flower
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This actually took me more effort to make you'll know

olive jacinth
royal flower
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Eh we'll see

olive jacinth
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its still low effort and not well thought đŸ« 

rugged tide
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True
Work less, not smarter

royal flower
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Too tired to argue anymore gn

rugged tide
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Actually i never saw a return suggestion with alot of likes

raw talon
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Return is a blank spot in the eyes of the community

rugged tide
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Lwk i think return need to be removed from the game

raw talon
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Holy shit I shit thought of a return replacement

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That brings everything good from old return

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Removes most of the bad

rugged tide
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Return > Comeback

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W name right?

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I don't even remember old return at this point

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Isn't the same thing but dont have the aura on Q?

raw talon
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And it wasn’t main stream

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Seen as a completely overlooked ability

rugged tide
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what

raw talon
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Nothing changed about return

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It’s just how people saw it and used it

rugged tide
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so

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Just remove return

raw talon
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People with return back then were aggressive and shit

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Now they’re passive and wait for e

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What if

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We just

rugged tide
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give E a punch price?

raw talon
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Throw the entire idea of return OUT the window

rugged tide
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10 punches to full load

raw talon
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And keep the good parts of how return was used

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And force that playstyle

rugged tide
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You can't do this

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The only ability that had this type of rework was gingerbread

raw talon
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Nuh uh ima think of an ability to replace return

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Uh

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Temporary name but

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Void bag

rugged tide
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Put Comeback

raw talon
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(Terraria reference because we don’t have enough)

rugged tide
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Comeback

raw talon
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Basically

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The good parts about return were pap(mostly speed orb for better aggressiveness) and able to keep items

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So

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Void bag e: store

rugged tide
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No

raw talon
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Stores your entire inventory inside a fake inventory type thing

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Which saves across lives

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Meaning

rugged tide
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hell no

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OMG FUCKING NO

raw talon
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(Excluding trophies)

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Fuck trophies

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You can have like farmer items

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AT WILL

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Just there

rugged tide
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no

raw talon
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Why not

rugged tide
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useless

raw talon
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You’re saying no like it’s overpowering

rugged tide
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That's pretty a joke ability

raw talon
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You’re screaming it out

rugged tide
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I forgot u can't drop Alchemist potions

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Anyway pretty fire idea for a joke ability

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But no one is going use

raw talon
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I was gonna mention that q is just pap

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But uh

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You can only have one orb

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Inside your inventory or void bag

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Pressing q rerolls

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Using another orb while one is active replaces that current orb

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Meaning you can technically swap out your status effect mid fight

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Swap speed for damage

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Damage for divine

rugged tide
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no

raw talon
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Like 10s cooldown because it’s still random

rugged tide
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Unfun fighting + inf buffs

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Ah replaces orbs

raw talon
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Yeah

rugged tide
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No

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Immortal

raw talon
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And any pap effects you have

raw talon
rugged tide
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Just stall for divine orb

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And play passive

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✌

raw talon
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True..

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Remove divine from pool

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Problem solved

rugged tide
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Play passive with regen orb

raw talon
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And maybe propeller too lol

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You can do that with any ability

rugged tide
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Not anymore

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Since they removed pack a punch

raw talon
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Also theres no mobility so

rugged tide
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speed orb

raw talon
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Can’t have speed and regen at the same time

rugged tide
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Play passive to switch

raw talon
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Same could be said about soda, extra speed

rugged tide
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✌

raw talon
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Dude

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You’re either running with no healing or have no mobility to play passive

rugged tide
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Just get speed orb

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Inf combo the player

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If ur dying

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Use inf orb to hop off

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Get regen orb

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Then stall and play passive

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Use speed orb again

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Inf combo him again

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And that's it

raw talon
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You know how much extreme luck that would need

rugged tide
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Nah

raw talon
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Speed orb and regen orb are 15% each

rugged tide
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Static would be a great counter to this

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Sadly removed

raw talon
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Getting em BACK TO BACK multiple times

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Is like

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Insane

rugged tide
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25%

raw talon
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Propeller was 25

rugged tide
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There is only 4 obtainable orbs on your void bag ability

raw talon
rugged tide
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So each is 25%

raw talon
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You’re assuming they all have equal chance

rugged tide
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if doens't dont really looks a ability that someone would use

raw talon
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I would 200% lol

rugged tide
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To die

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?

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Ur going get 5 all seeing orbs

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And die

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✌

raw talon
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Like a better return honestly

rugged tide
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This don't have a shit related to return

raw talon
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Just less annoying to fight if you’re fighting the right person

rugged tide
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This is just

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A save star

raw talon
rugged tide
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Not Return from death

raw talon
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How return should be played honestly

rugged tide
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Is not like return ability "Return fron death" makes sense

raw talon
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Using it’s passive as a beneficiary

rugged tide
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Since any ability does that

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Man fr
Lets just remove return

raw talon
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How I used return back when I mained it for a little

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Fun asf

rugged tide
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Just remove return

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make a suggestion on return removal

raw talon
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Why don’t you just suggest that

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See how your ms does

raw talon
rugged tide
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i am lazy

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And i am focusing on 3 suggestions bump already

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If i bump 4 i get offended by moderstors

raw talon
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Im not gonna lose my like 8 suggestion no dislikes streak

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I have several suggestions that somehow have gotten no dislikes

rugged tide
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I think with the right srugments

raw talon
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And im not gonna lose that

rugged tide
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Everyone would approve return removal

raw talon
rugged tide
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Ok
No one likes gravity at first

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And PLEASE REWORK MASTERY

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  • same thing as retuen
raw talon
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ZERO dislikes

rugged tide
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Nice

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Do that with returb

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Return*

raw talon
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If I care about it enough, I could probably make a convincing argument to remove default or smth

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But I don’t care enough

rugged tide
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I beg u

raw talon
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Neither do I care enough about removing return

rugged tide
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Make a return removal suggestion

raw talon
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I like return

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It’s just the players

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The players are what’s wrong with it

rugged tide
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there isnt normal players with retrn

raw talon
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Not the ability

rugged tide
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Return is a 100x buffed butter

raw talon
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Don’t you see

rugged tide
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I see

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Remove AW players

raw talon
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Return has potential to be fun to use and (maybe) fight

rugged tide
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đŸ”„

raw talon
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It’s the fucking passive ass players

rugged tide
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Now we are lying gng

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I saying this as a butter user

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That depend 100% on iframe abhse

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Abuse*

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And i can't do that on return users

raw talon
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Once again kinda player fault

rugged tide
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Is not

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If i try E iframe abuse

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They use Q

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If i able to combo

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They revive with E

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If i try bait

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They got 5s protection

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And predict my iframes abusing

raw talon
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Kinda sounds like YOURE stalling for your e cooldown tbh

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I think return q cooldown is longer than butter e

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Haven’t checked

rugged tide
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Trust me

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Butter depnds 100%

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On E iframe abusing

raw talon
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In which your opponents iframe cooldown also ticks down

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While youre hiding, theyre just getting another opportunity to escape your attacks

rugged tide
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ye

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That's why there js a tech

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For butter

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That i asked a dev

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And he said

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Is kinda bug abusing but since is a joke ability is fine

raw talon
# rugged tide ye

And how is that returns fault if you’re hiding and expecting their cooldown to still be on

rugged tide
rugged tide
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2x knockback

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They just use Q on my punches

raw talon
rugged tide
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I mean i think is even more than 2x

raw talon
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Iframe abusing then complaining about iframes

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Crazy

rugged tide
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Mine have a proposital

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2x knockback

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  • slow
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😭

raw talon
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Have you considered

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Not using butter

rugged tide
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No

raw talon
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Ts is your fault gng

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Purposely using an ability with too many downsides am

rugged tide
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Silence

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😡

raw talon
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You really can’t be complaining

rugged tide
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My butter still goat

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-# that's a obvious lie

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I just use butter bc

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I don't like the other abilities

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And there isnt fun ability on AW

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I tried use meteor but

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Hit kill conbos