he made another best suggestion ever
#Return mastery
gusty gyro
long verge
he made another best suggestion ever<:glee:1138356742649040936>
Let's hope it get as popular as the others
gusty gyro
tbh q is still kinda mid but idk why
onyx nimbus
3% per second and 10% per kill 🙏😭
long verge
3% per second and 10% per kill 🙏😭
Ye what about it?
It mean it take 33s to charge fully
But can be upped a bit
I might buff it to 4% tho actually
Eh idk
cosmic otter
Man, I don't mean to be a hater, but I don't think Return deserves a mastery.
This is also just basically Return if it had an energy bar, I don't really see the difference.
The ability itself is good... Balanced, and it's fine, but my points still stand
long verge
at that point the best strat is to hide
There I buffed to 4% and 12%
rigid edge
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long verge
ong bud is cooking the best suggestions
Only the best for the people
rigid edge
Only the best for the people
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visual valley
Return is the definition of ulb sans
thorny reef
Hey is that like a repost or
long verge
Hey is that like a repost or
Possibly
proper flower
So 1
Would be neat to see a return mastery but it’d have to be done really well and take lots more inspiration from the reference(if Im right it’s Re:Zero)
This honestly seems alright, but broken
For one, the Q can theoretically give inf invincibility since you can constantly punch to gain charge on your bar
The E ability does improve upon the original E, but only adds returning on command
And the R
Well let’s just say
Someone’s going to have a field day giving people a taste of what Diavolo faces
By that I mean punch them off the edge with R active, and hit the ability again
Although I see some INSANE combo potential here
If the E spawns instantly then yeah that combo Im imagining right now is possible
So please
Mind answering if the orb spawning is instant?
long verge
Alright let me answer your points
long verge
For one, the Q can theoretically give inf invincibility since you can constantly...
Wrong, it's based on kill
long verge
Although I see some INSANE combo potential here
That's the entire goal
long verge
If the E spawns instantly then yeah that combo Im imagining right now is possibl...
Ofc it's just like unmastered return
proper flower
Ofc it's just like unmastered return
So then it’s not instant
It’s like a really short spawn time
Still basically instant
long verge
Does it really matter
proper flower
Yeah kinda
If you want broken combo’s but it’s fine
Still basically insant
Instant*
proper flower
Wrong, it's based on kill
Ahh okay, I saw this like a day or two ago and saw that you could also gain charge with punching
The combo im seeing is, M1 3x, orb, m1 to the orb, respawn & activate R, punch, use R, punch
That SHOULD do 60 dmg
long verge
The combo im seeing is, M1 3x, orb, m1 to the orb, respawn & activate R, punch, ...
I feel like that's a waste of the E but uh ok
Like sure ok do all that if you wanna
But I don't think much of anyone will
proper flower
Yeah but
You said yourself that the entire goal is combo potential
Soooo, why not take the potential to the max
wide harbor
lets slow down here
return is already annoying af to kill.. lets like, nerf it first
like seriously go try to kill a return that runs away, within a reasonable amount of time 😔
especially bad if they are good at the game
interesting idea but it has all the same problems regular return has (if not worse) so i really dont want to see this in game 😭
thorny reef
It's literally UNKILLABLE
and that's all it's good at
round vine
and that's all it's good at
Still OP
Unkillable is OP by definition
If you're more skilled punching wise than the one you're facing they cant do anything to you
It's a poorly designed ability that shouldnt be picked for anything like this
thorny reef
Unkillable is OP by definition
not overpowered, just poorly balanced in general
it's only good for not dying and sucks when it comes to offense
round vine
it's only good for not dying and sucks when it comes to offense
How does the unkillable ability you can basically only run from not work for offense
Ive used return for a good while since I got It and It's genuinelly busted to just chase and spam M1
hybrid fossil
Return does not sucks
Anyway i didn't read all but
Isn't that return with a bar?
and a new R
thorny reef
How does the unkillable ability you can basically only run from not work for off...
not exactly unkillable, just more so way too defensive
hybrid fossil
not exactly unkillable, just more so way too defensive
Good times with regen orb + retrn
Anyway this just look a reskin of return with a R
And a bar
thorny reef
Anyway this just look a reskin of return with a R
I previously told that guy that it could be a rework instead of a mastery
(this is a repost)
hybrid fossil
I previously told that guy that it could be a rework instead of a mastery
Fair
Anyway lwk giving a bar to return would be the best thing ever made
-# + alchemist mastery removal
I honestly think people are just used to using ops abilitys and don't want change it
Smth like this
long verge
I previously told that guy that it could be a rework instead of a mastery
Repost as it had like 4 reaction 3 of which were pregnant man emoji
As the singular like at that point just felt like restarting was easier
long verge
Isn't that return with a bar?
E and Q are different and it got an R, and yes return does kinda suck I mean there a reason its one of the least used ability
wide harbor
return doesnt suck its just super boring
i mean return is basically immortal
it needs a fat nerf to how often it can spam that revive
and also fix the bugs where it can revive multiple times
thorny reef
it needs a fat nerf to how often it can spam that revive
And something to boost it's offense in return
hybrid fossil
E and Q are different and it got an R, and yes return does kinda suck I mean the...
Return DON'T sucks bro
long verge
Return DON'T sucks bro
It's default but with 8s of invincibility
It's mid
And no the E doesn't count as an ability
hybrid fossil
It is a immortal glass ability
long verge
Immortal via death isn't immortality it's just coming back
Which idk if youre aware, you already do that each time you die
hybrid fossil
Tf this have to do
long verge
Oh woah I save 2 seconds coming back from spawn
hybrid fossil
Anyway uh
Is not like ur return with bar would change slot
It is just return but worse
long verge
How is it worst
The E is better
The Q is better
And it get a R
The energy bar simply make it balanced
long verge
It's not. E can be manually activated which is an actual ability compared to unmastered, the Q can last longer than unmastered, and it get an R
Bro got nothing to answer
hybrid fossil
Return with a bar that make useless
wide harbor
Oh woah I save 2 seconds coming back from spawn
the difference being if you have something in that life worth keeping, like a trophy, bounty, or other items attained through abilities like farmer
hybrid fossil
(it is not return bc got some buffs)
long verge
the difference being if you have something in that life worth keeping, like a tr...
Sure in that case it's kinda eh but it's very rare
wide harbor
it also doesnt actually count as a kill for other people, making it especially annoying to others
which some people want lol
long verge
it also doesnt actually count as a kill for other people, making it especially a...
Ye but nobody really care except new players
long verge
Return with a bar that make useless
Ignoring what I say ain't gonna make it less true
wide harbor
the people who care too much about if they are winning or not do indeed care if their opponent is actually dying or just coming back
hybrid fossil
Ignoring what I say ain't gonna make it less true
Ctrl C ctel V a ability put a bar and some buffs is NOT a mastery bro
long verge
Ctrl C ctel V a ability put a bar and some buffs is NOT a mastery bro
Good things I actually added stuffs uh, like changing the E and the Q enough
hybrid fossil
(now need a bar to use E and Q)
long verge
I made the E and the Q objectively better, no 💔 is changing that
long verge
(now need a bar to use E and Q)
The bar is a balance change genius
hybrid fossil
I made the E and the Q objectively better, no 💔 is changing that
Why u think i would waste 80% just to select when teleport
long verge
Mastery aren't supposed to be net upgrade
long verge
Why u think i would waste 80% just to select when teleport
Well clearly you're not good enough to see the combo potential loo
hybrid fossil
Mastery aren't supposed to be net upgrade
Alchemist
hybrid fossil
Well clearly you're not good enough to see the combo potential loo
Just freaking m1 + m1 + m1
hybrid fossil
I am NOT wasting 80% to make my combo a little more cool looking
hybrid fossil
Alchemist remove some stuffs from unmastered, not a net positive
Ok what are we doing rn
Do you even play the game
long verge
It's literally true, ask Checken even himself said he think so
long verge
They don't have repulsion and the limbs stuff
hybrid fossil
Still a nerf on that category
hybrid fossil
Nerf on WHAT
long verge
On options
hybrid fossil
On options
Bro are you deadass
long verge
Ask Checken
hybrid fossil
Alchemist M
Got special combos
Debuffs
Buffs
Support
Damage
Poison
Heal
Damage
Speed
UNLIMITED things
long verge
Also this isn't even the point, you're saying the energy bar is a nerf which it obviously ain't
hybrid fossil
Also this isn't even the point, you're saying the energy bar is a nerf which it ...
Your buffs are not even good ngl
long verge
That's like saying lemon mastery is a nerf
long verge
Your buffs are not even good ngl
Oh woah 12s of invincibility and respawn on command ain't good, and not even talking about how R is insane for combo
hybrid fossil
Blud AGAIN
Why i going waste bar
Just to smth looks cooler
When i can just m1
long verge
When i can just m1
Because combo have a limit of 4 M1 and this can extend it
hybrid fossil
Your rework changes fucking nothig
long verge
Are you new to the concept of combo extension dawg
hybrid fossil
Because combo have a limit of 4 M1 and this can extend it
is not like this is low
long verge
Omg I'm debating someone who doesn't understand combo extension pack it up
hybrid fossil
Omg I'm debating someone who doesn't understand combo extension pack it up
I debating to someone that think the rework is going change anything on the ability
long verge
Dawg ain't even worth it anymore just dislike and go I don't care you ain't even giving anything productive
hybrid fossil
You just made return more spam anyways
long verge
I made it skill based but ok
hybrid fossil
I made it skill based but ok
No you fucking did not
long verge
No you fucking did not
Both E and R are absolutely skill based
hybrid fossil
Both E and R are absolutely skill based
No one is going use R when you can just abuse immortality
hybrid fossil
Return Q is basically butter E
long verge
Not really, since one actually allow you to fight back
hybrid fossil
Not really, since one actually allow you to fight back
That's the catch
You don't understand iframes based moves
Like midas hammer
Butter E
And return Q
The 3 you can abuse to free punch / anything
long verge
I do understand them dawg otherwise why would I keep it here
Also how is that relevant
hybrid fossil
The fact is
long verge
Saying things without explaining isn't an argument
hybrid fossil
If you have a freaking thjng that let you free punch
Why you would EVEN consider use R
long verge
Because punch extension omg it's not complicated
hybrid fossil
Because punch extension omg it's not complicated
Ok theres no way i will need do a video on roblox
Please say no
long verge
What
hybrid fossil
You DONT NEED A PUNCH EXTENSION ON THIS GAME
Why you even think about 80% of abilitys dont have
long verge
Combo are literally the most important part of the game
hybrid fossil
Theres like 3 or 2 Punch extension
hybrid fossil
Combo are literally the most important part of the game
the only combo on this game is M1 then jump hammer midas variant blud
Not even combo itself is good for combos rn
long verge
Ok im convinced youre just saying stuffs to say stuffs now
Cause like damn that's a bad take
Just plainly wrong too
hybrid fossil
Literally how
long verge
Ok first off there's atleast 15+ ability with combo extender yet you think 3, so either you're really not knowledgeable about AW or you're trolling
Second you think combo are simple like that
hybrid fossil
Ok first off there's atleast 15+ ability with combo extender yet you think 3, so...
what?
grapple and BHM? 😭
long verge
what?
grapple and BHM? 😭
What? Dawg lemme make a list for you
hybrid fossil
Void too
i never see someone using void ngl
anyway i am NOT goign use this R
when i got E and Q buffed
long verge
Teleportation, shift, stone, crystal, BHM, bomb, bomb mastery, gingerbread, defender on like many paths, plasma, midas, void, grapple, pirate, spring
Just the one I can think right off the bat
hybrid fossil
Teleportation, shift, stone, crystal, BHM, bomb, bomb mastery, gingerbread, def...
tf u mean gingerbread
hybrid fossil
theres literally knockback on this thing
long verge
Not if you use it as a way to get them back toward you
Well I mean yea there's comeback but that's what you're using
hybrid fossil
anyway abusing iframes is 100% better than risk the other guy abuse iframes
long verge
anyway abusing iframes is 100% better than risk the other guy abuse iframes
Ok? Use it like that if you like
We'll see how others do
long verge
@novel laurel are you by any chance @dry roost alt
novel laurel
long verge
You sure
long verge
Fair enough
dry roost
<@1206031551024996372> are you by any chance <@1209188178980900889> alt
Yes they are
dry roost
Yes
dry roost
Yes
drifting plaza
Return is boring... But still one if not THE best defensive ability. (Granting I-frames, and giving you void immunity). i myself would find a rework more fitting for return, since the ability in it self is hellah boring.
tepid quarry
wind otter
Saying return sucks is a freaking crime
coarse flower
Fr like return is my main and i have 75k and i killed plasma users and people above 100k with it.
And it is kinda skill
coarse flower
I mean a custom killed me having return
long verge
I mean a custom killed me having return
That's honestly on you
long verge
That means u can die with return so it is nkt unskill
You can die with gp while having a divine orb and 10 alchemist and farmer protecting you
That'd be hella unskill if you die and still no skill if you live
coarse flower
That'd be hella unskill if you die and still no skill if you live
I mean it is 300k vs 75k
Also the internet was from wallmart
long verge
The R is literally so teamwork based
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ionic zealot
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You made this?
Very impressive
long verge
You made this?
Yea