rework krampus cuz rn its buns and not fun to use

[dusty kite]

no it doesnt dude

[silent cradle]

because krampus is too bad to be used apparently

[dusty kite]

this is exactly what im talking abt

you always reject points

never struggle with thinking abt it

[silent cradle]

because i already know how it is

[dusty kite]

and always think youre in the right

[dusty kite]

you think you do

[silent cradle]

you cant just bring up the same points all the time and expect me to change

[dusty kite]

youre js delusional

[dusty kite]

i dont bring up the same points

i try to use a variety of diff points

[silent cradle]

im not, i already saw how good krampus is, and because it works, just keep it like that

[dusty kite]

but you always reject them

cuz youre "comfortable" with krampus currently

[silent cradle]

you dont have to whine because of 1 ability

[dusty kite]

youre the one that bitched to liek 10 people "no krampus is balanced keep it this way"

[silent cradle]

yeah this gets us again to the point where this is a subjective problem

but then you come with the playerbase, which we already talked about

[dusty kite]

just because you like it doesnt mean other people will

[silent cradle]

and then we come to the place where i always reject

[dusty kite]

you struggle to understand this idea

[silent cradle]

most players does not mean decide for hthis

you dont get what i mean, youre destroying the game because you think youre doing this for the playerbase

[dusty kite]

how am i destroying the game exactly

by reworking just one ability?

where there are tens of them?

im fine with all the other abilities whether they are underpowered or not

[silent cradle]

yeah basically if you are right here then you must be right everywhere else which leads to the playerbase stuff just come to ability wars

[dusty kite]

cuz some are supposed to be better depending on the situation

[silent cradle]

then this one should be fine too

[dusty kite]

youre the one thats thinking with this belief

[silent cradle]

every ability is better in a situation

[dusty kite]

just because youre good with this doesnt mean it should stay the same

[silent cradle]

https://discordapp.com/channels/922921165373202463/1454023013526933570/1454771316660899984

[dusty kite]

not everythign revolves around you

[silent cradle]

yeah but not everything revolves around the playerbase

[dusty kite]

in a game it kinda does

[silent cradle]

no not really

[dusty kite]

yeah yes really

[silent cradle]

the issue is that the playerbase wants something they dont actually want and makes the game worse

playerbase doesnt mean theyre right

[dusty kite]

if it were to make the game worse the devs wouldnt do it

or revert it

after its done

[silent cradle]

keep the devs out, we dont know how they will decide

[dusty kite]

youre treating them as sort fo some kinda god

[silent cradle]

wth? no?

[dusty kite]

yeah dude

[silent cradle]

im just telling you that the devs have the final choice

so you cant just assume things

[dusty kite]

i already know that

[silent cradle]

and use that in this arguments

[dusty kite]

im js making a situation up

so you see the results

[silent cradle]

why are you making things up?

[dusty kite]

.

[silent cradle]

that doesnt help in any way

[dusty kite]

.

[silent cradle]

???

[dusty kite]

do you have some kinda blind spot

rigth above messages

[silent cradle]

no

[dusty kite]

ok then you should be able to see it

[silent cradle]

idrk what you want to tell me with this, can you clarify?

[dusty kite]

dude i literally gave the reason for this before you sent a message for it

[silent cradle]

if the devs choose to rework it, its fine by me, but imo its definitely not neccessary

[silent cradle]

were not predicting messages

[dusty kite]

im not either

im js saying the reason beforehand

so you see it

[silent cradle]

clarify it then

i already saw it

[dusty kite]

im saying that i made a not real situation

then i showed the most likely endings of said situation

so youre able to see the results

[silent cradle]

that literally doesnt help in any way

which i already said

[dusty kite]

did you srsly need to make me clarify this

like i dont think i needed to

if you thoguth a bit abt it

[silent cradle]

even if its most probably that krampus will get reworked it doesnt mean i cant fight for a not rework

thats what i think you mean

[dusty kite]

im not saying you shouldnt

if you believe that it doesnt need a rework

[silent cradle]

you are technically

[dusty kite]

but youre willing to change your mind abt it

then fien w me

but youre not willing to change your mind no matter what

[silent cradle]

because i have seen no valid reason that makes me change my mind

[dusty kite]

you have

[silent cradle]

i didnt

[dusty kite]

you js reject said reasons

[silent cradle]

tell me then

[silent cradle]

that is not a reason to change my mind

even if

[dusty kite]

.

[dusty kite]

.

[silent cradle]

its valid but its not a reason to change my mind

because i have more valuable valid reasons

[dusty kite]

you kinda dont

[silent cradle]

i do

[dusty kite]

22 people would agree w me here

[silent cradle]

again playerbase

we already talked about that

[dusty kite]

and 2 people agree w you btw

[silent cradle]

thanks captain obvious

[dusty kite]

np

if the devs are js going to keep krampus shit

fine by me

im js trying to see if other people agree w the fact that it deserves to be a bi tbetter

or even a diff ability

with just same concept of taking players

[silent cradle]

quality over quantity for me

[dusty kite]

dude this is my exact point

what are you trying to say

youre trying to say only epople like you matter in the playerbase?

the rest are dumbasses?

mcs

[silent cradle]

im trying to say that just because the whole playerbase agrees that it needs to be changed, it doesnt mean it should be changed BECAUSE there might be more issues coming

[dusty kite]

and just because you agree that it shouldnt be changed doesnt mean youre right either

whats your point here

[silent cradle]

my point is that if i can like it everyone can like it

[dusty kite]

thats js mcs bro 😭

[silent cradle]

theoretically

[silent cradle]

thanks but no

[dusty kite]

it is dude 😭

[silent cradle]

even if i would be a mc it wouldnt invalidate my points

[dusty kite]

your points are invalid by themselves

[silent cradle]

thanks

i already read that twice

[dusty kite]

np

yeah you read it twice but you still rejected it no matter what was presented in front of you

you dont understand how ignorant you are

[silent cradle]

https://discordapp.com/channels/922921165373202463/1454023013526933570/1454773372058865827

[silent cradle]

im not ignorant i just dont let me pull down from sheer mass pressure

[dusty kite]

you are

you ignore my points

no matter how valid they are

[silent cradle]

yes how valid they are

they are valid but i already said that mine are more valuable

https://discordapp.com/channels/922921165373202463/1454023013526933570/1454773372058865827

[dusty kite]

you didnt see anything

you thoguth that they are more valid

but if you were to truly see

[silent cradle]

im still thinking that btw

[dusty kite]

you would understand they arent

[silent cradle]

they are

[dusty kite]

nope

[silent cradle]

look i wasnt that good at AW at some point

i can understand if its frustrating

but if you dont lock in and train seriously then its not my fault you think it sucks

[dusty kite]

i am not baid at aw either

i beat a decent bit of people w krampus

its js that it doesnt make krampus good

just beacuse you won some battles w it

but you dont seem to understadn this

you stand by your beliefs so stubbornly

never accepting any sort of change whether its bad or good

[silent cradle]

if it works it works

[dusty kite]

and it doesnt

tell me this

you killed god punches w default

[silent cradle]

yes

[dusty kite]

so default is balanced now?

[silent cradle]

yes

just because its worse it doesnt mean it needs to be balanced

[dusty kite]

or is it underpowered compared to gp

[dusty kite]

lets say both defualt and gp both need a gamepass that costs the same

you used defualt

killed 2 gps

now is it balanced or not

[silent cradle]

yes

[dusty kite]

are you dumb

[silent cradle]

idk ask me

[dusty kite]

the cost of gp and default is the same

and the difference is massive

[silent cradle]

if people choose to use default its ok for me ofc

i dont want to ruin other peoples games

[dusty kite]

it is in no way balanced compared to g[

gp

[silent cradle]

instead i show them that better abilities dont mean wins

default is therefore balanced

[dusty kite]

youre genuienly js a complete idiot

i cant argue with you because arguing does nothing

youre not open to change

im nto dealing w your bumass anymore

cant handle the cancer

[silent cradle]

idk i would be open to change if you would get up stronger points

[dusty kite]

i did

but you dont realise that

because you arent open to change

why am i still arguing

youre not gonna listen anyway

[silent cradle]

i listen but you need to get even stronger points 🫠

[dusty kite]

you dont

[silent cradle]

i am rn and i did before and i will

[dusty kite]

you never did

you might in the future inshallah but rn youre a dumbass

[silent cradle]

thanks ❤️‍🩹 instead of giving me the stronger points i asked for

[silent cradle]

am i cancer or a dumbass or both

[dusty kite]

both

[silent cradle]

🫠 ** **

[zealous bane]

Compared to the other event abilities krampus isn't good

The e is dependent on the q and it can be dodged even if they have the speed boost

And if they use the q without the skull debuff I can just punch them away

Its not trash but for something that you can get once a year its not that good

[zealous bane]

i have a question do you think hoj is balanced

[silent cradle]

idk almost never played against it/ i dont have it

but if there are so less players that have it its perfectly fine for me

[fallen lily]

It's bad

And 24 peoples agree against 3

I used krampus, multiple times, and it's just bad

[zealous bane]

i just dont see how its good because of skill

anything can be good because of skill

[fallen lily]

Yep

I sometimes use slime and kill a few peoples with it

But i won't say slime is good in that case

[silent cradle]

you should

[fallen lily]

It's bad but used correctly

[silent cradle]

thats definitely not the truth

not in the way you think

[zealous bane]

how?

[silent cradle]

slime is balanced

if you dont believe me then bye again 🥹

[fallen lily]

Balanced for it's position in game (starter ability), but compared to the rest it falls off

[silent cradle]

still balanced 🫠

[fallen lily]

That's lit what I just said

[silent cradle]

it has a jump abillity that can practically dodge alot of stuff

and if opp wastes their move you get slowed

[zealous bane]

what abilities do you think are not balanced

[fallen lily]

Yes, but it's not as strong as the later abilities

[silent cradle]

none really (those i know, i dont play against some abilities alot)

[silent cradle]

it is strong

youre underestimating everything atp

[fallen lily]

Meaning it's balanced for it's ingame placement and role(starter ability)

[silent cradle]

u just probably rarely see skilled slime users

[fallen lily]

Yes, WITH SKILL, an outside source,
Alone it isn't as strong as later abilities

[silent cradle]

on same skill level its definitely a threat

[zealous bane]

once again skill can make anything good

it doesnt mean the ability itself is good

[silent cradle]

i already told you what you can do with slime

🥹 if you would just listen to me

[fallen lily]

Yea, it's good when you're skilled

[silent cradle]

its not that hard to dodge with a move that makes you auto jump

[void thunder]

The potential man of ability wars

[fallen lily]

Man i used slime recently, i comboed peoples with it and killed many, but that's just cuz of skill, slime itself isn't strong compared to the rest

[silent cradle]

well technically i can just say that just because u think u will lose future fights it doesnt mean you know

[zealous bane]

if there was a slime user vs plasma user and they had the same level of skill who would win

[fallen lily]

Plasma 95% of the time

More mobility, damage, shield -> damage& knocback. reduction

[void thunder]

The slime user would be smart enough to leave the area when they see the shield

[silent cradle]

slime because jumps

[zealous bane]

what

[silent cradle]

plasma cant jump

if you die trough the laser thats seriously your fault

[fallen lily]

Plasma has one of the best combo options, and slime will eventually run out of the Q

Since it has a time duration

[silent cradle]

plasma only has dashes

[silent cradle]

you got to be kidding me

just jump on house and boom you practically won the fight

[fallen lily]

Yes wich means when Slime's Q over, plasma can reach them

[fallen lily]

Plasma E:

[silent cradle]

were assuming that the player isnt that stupid

[silent cradle]

then on top of a tree

idk it was just an exampl

[fallen lily]

Plasma E

[zealous bane]

plasma e can reach

[fallen lily]

Plasma is stronger than slime

[silent cradle]

not all trees

[silent cradle]

it isnt

[fallen lily]

Almost all of em

[silent cradle]

youre like assuming the slime plays dumb asf

seriously what

[zealous bane]

if the slime user's only option is to jump around to escape then

[silent cradle]

if you really want just play against me with plasma and i will use slime

[zealous bane]

im not trying to do a skill demo

[fallen lily]

Nope slime could use E for the slow area, Q to get combos and height, but plasma has range, one of the best ingame combo, stronger natural dmg and a shield that basically make a counter to the slow effect

[silent cradle]

not my fault 😭 it seemed like you know better

[zealous bane]

idk it just seems like you keep saying everything is good because of skill

[silent cradle]

never said that btw

i just said that if on same skill level slime actually has good chances

[fallen lily]

Nope, on same skill level plasma literraly counters except for the height adventages of slime Q

[silent cradle]

how does plasma counter slime

plasma has no "counter" its just pure aggression

** i mean it has no countering potential

(because it has only damage attacks)

[zealous bane]

plasma has shield

[fallen lily]

Slow area -> Shield wich last longer and prevents combos
Jump boost -> can dodge with dashes and negates with shield cuz it prevents combos
Slime takes height -> Plasma E can reach

[silent cradle]

plasma e cant reach always

[fallen lily]

70-80% of places

[silent cradle]

not all

were assuming our slime isnt dumb

[trim blaze]

GET ME OUT OF FRANCE

[silent cradle]

excuse moi

do you want a croissant?

🥐 ** **

[trim blaze]

THE TAX LAWS ARE TOO STRICT

[silent cradle]

on the house 😭

[fallen lily]

He's gonna take height waiting to waste the E
They eventually come down to fight, use E for some better combo starting, plasma use shield so it prevents combos, then just the "punch+tp" combo and then just combo normally

[silent cradle]

not enough

[fallen lily]

Slime could try to escape the combo, but they'll need Q

[silent cradle]

and on the same skill level, u let yourself get comboed like that

im 100% sure

[fallen lily]

Plasma has the punch+tp combo

[silent cradle]

not enough

[fallen lily]

Wich basically put you at ~20 hp or less

And leaves the opponant oppen for a combo

Slile doesn't have good combo escaping tools

[silent cradle]

bro just use the slow down after that

[fallen lily]

Only Q wich is a bounce when in contact of surfaces, and can fling

[silent cradle]

cancel combo and get away again

[fallen lily]

Shield negates the slow down

If slime wanna combo

[silent cradle]

if didnt use shield before then the combo can be countered

the opp needs to know how to aim plasma

[fallen lily]

Shield when getting comboed by slime or area slow

[fallen lily]

E is pretty easy to aim

[silent cradle]

yeah but you cant use shield twice

[silent cradle]

what if you go too far

no combo

just damage, makes slime an easy escape

[fallen lily]

Yea, but the simple knockback negate means you can easily punch right after

And plasma has some of the best combo options

[silent cradle]

no because plasma needs to be on right distance

[silent cradle]

plasma has no knockback literally

just damage

thats not a combo

also dont forget the slime boots dont only work once, can use it before to get out anyways and get a safe spot

[fallen lily]

? Punch then tp the game punch then tp then punch the same tp -> 10+15+10+15+10+15=75 dmg

[fallen lily]

Yea? But they'll run out

[silent cradle]

then combo me like that

you wont be able to do that

[fallen lily]

That's the simplest plasma combo

[silent cradle]

it wont work on same skill level

thats general knowledge

[fallen lily]

Yes? Just needs 1 punch on the sliem

Slime

[silent cradle]

then show it to me

if u think that combo works idk

[fallen lily]

Uk that plasma can start this combo with just 1 punch

[silent cradle]

it doesnt work

[fallen lily]

Alredy tested by different players

[silent cradle]

then show it to me

in a private server

[fallen lily]

One of the things that makes plasma legit the strongest

[silent cradle]

then show it to me??

[fallen lily]

Also, plasma can simply punch combo normally

[silent cradle]

thats unfair assuming both are on same skill level

and slime wont run into plasma

[fallen lily]

He'll need to to do damage

[silent cradle]

damage after all the abillities are wasted

show it to me then if you think youre right

[fallen lily]

And the thing is, plasma has one of the best defense (shield) and one of if not the best offense (E and dashes)

[silent cradle]

show it then

[fallen lily]

How would slime win?

[silent cradle]

show it

to me in a private sever

[fallen lily]

Tell me how slime wins?

I told you how plasma could

[silent cradle]

you will get your answer if you fight with me

[fallen lily]

Tell me how slime wins

[silent cradle]

literally directly

[fallen lily]

Tell me in messages?

I lit told you in messages how plasma wins

[silent cradle]

i already told you but you keep countering that

[silent cradle]

thats in theory

[fallen lily]

How then resay it?

[silent cradle]

u already know much about theory, so let me show you the practical stuff

why would you want to know more about theory?

[fallen lily]

How does slime wins?

Just answer the question

[silent cradle]

slime will win with determination i guess

if slime doesnt give up and concenctrate slime will survive over and over again

[fallen lily]

Plasma lit have an answer to everything that plasma has except height adventages

[silent cradle]

yeah apparently you know it theoretically but then go into my private server

[fallen lily]

Then that's just hit&run

[silent cradle]

or are you scared that you might lose?

because you have been dodging my questions alot frequently recently

[fallen lily]

Idk, but on same skill level, plasma wins 80% of the time

[silent cradle]

yeah lets test it practically

[fallen lily]

That's just a fact

[silent cradle]

to escape the combo you dont need that much skill

[fallen lily]

Punch+tp or Telepunch is basically unescapable

[silent cradle]

so are you scared? or do you not want to admit?

[fallen lily]

Why should i admit when slime is weaker than plasma

[silent cradle]

you keep dodging my questions, i answered yours already, can you answer mine?

[silent cradle]

https://discordapp.com/channels/922921165373202463/1454023013526933570/1454806739592413194

look i answered you again

you should be ashamed that you still try to dodge the practical stuff

[fallen lily]

Man why can't YOU accept slime will lose

[silent cradle]

you can only do things in words

[silent cradle]

there is nothing behind your words

thats the reason

your words are literally just void

thats why

[fallen lily]

I lit told you how plasma answer to everything slime has

[silent cradle]

yeah but there is no depth

you just say plasma counters this

but why does it apparently not work practically?

[fallen lily]

Cuz plasma has enough to counter

[silent cradle]

plasma only does damage and has a shield

[fallen lily]

How do you know it doesn't work?

[silent cradle]

thats plasma

[silent cradle]

because you assume too much

[fallen lily]

Shield wich counters slime's kit?

[silent cradle]

it doesnt

you will see

but no you want to stay here in chat

its like you dont want to learn

knowledge is over theory

[fallen lily]

Counters slime's Q cuz it prevents from combos, counters slime's E cuz it negates the combo starting poetential

I said that 5 times already

[silent cradle]

https://discordapp.com/channels/922921165373202463/1454023013526933570/1454807350161444874

[silent cradle]

i didnt ask

thanks

again youre assuming im not listening to you

[fallen lily]

You're welcome

[silent cradle]

because youre telling me the same stuff too much altough i already know that

[fallen lily]

I tell you the same stuff cuz that's lit what makes plasma stronger

[silent cradle]

but i have the knowledge

you just have the theory

we can settle this in the private sever

[fallen lily]

Did yoy win against plasma users with the same skill as you USING SLIME?

[silent cradle]

if i can beat them with default i can beat them with slime

logic

[fallen lily]

Did yoy win against a plasma user that's on the same skill level as you using slime?

[silent cradle]

they messed up with dash if youre angry about it

[fallen lily]

Then did you win?

Using slime

[silent cradle]

default is enough

[fallen lily]

That's just a yes or nos question

[fallen lily]

Then did you defeat a plasma user that's on the same skill level as you with default ?

[silent cradle]

yes because people mess up with the dash more often

** back then i wasnt so skilled btw

[fallen lily]

K

[silent cradle]

we can fight in a private sever as i already told you

[trim blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-eo2gifs-deltarune-chapter-3-deltarune-ch-3-tenna-deltarune-gif-3543875082152148675

sending this gif to feel involve

involved

[fallen lily]

Or you can accept that slime is weaker than plasma, that's lit what most peoples wpuld say

[silent cradle]

dawg we literally talked about why plasma is actually not that good, because you can mess up the dashes

i chose private server already

[fallen lily]

U just taking unncessary space in the comments(wich are alredy goddam full)

[silent cradle]

and youre still scared

[fallen lily]

Plasma is one of the top tiers

[silent cradle]

if you dont want to fight in private sever thats ok

but thats the only way to settle it

not taking that opportunity is dumb

[fallen lily]

Uk what? I'll do it, then i'll also use my main ig?

[silent cradle]

thanks

[fallen lily]

Just, im on mobile with 300 pings and my screen is sticky cuz of a screen protection

[silent cradle]

u cant know if you have 300 ping

depends on region

https://www.roblox.com/share?code=4ff42fc5297bf64eb31169ac57cf572c&type=Server

[fallen lily]

I live close to affrica

So i have 300 ping as an average

[trim blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/aira-offscript-off-script-gif-5004738751637165844

[silent cradle]

i hope you understand what i mean now

but well played

[fallen lily]

Tho sliem still weaker

That was skill based

Slime is weaker, idk who's strong with plasma tho

[silent cradle]

thats the problem

brb then

[fallen lily]

But against some plasma that has the same skill has you, you'll prob get cooked

[inland terrace]

On the other hand crafter is fun to play and not too op

[unkempt saddle]

@silent cradle
Based on your logic
Use default and kill a crafter user
Sent video for prove

Or

Default to spring

Crafter is capable of getting 1 snow gun and ure cooked
Spring? Just spam E and Q

Understand?

Not all ability are the same level

[silent cradle]

wdym send video to prove no media rights here 🫠 you should be able to believe me when i tell you beating crafter with default is possible

[silent cradle]

yes, but that doesnt mean the worse ability always fails

like idk are you tweaking or what

[unkempt saddle]

U got a point actually

[unkempt saddle]

But based on this dude right there he said that plasma win 80% of the time again slime which is kinda right

While also fit with your point of view

[fallen lily]

Plasma > slime, from the balancing vue of the game

Skill isn't counted in balancing

Since it's an outside factor

[unkempt saddle]

Yea

Agree

[dusty kite]

not really true

crafter snowgun can be dodged by js any height

plus spring is mid af too

[unkempt saddle]

Oh

But I put spring in cuz it has range-a thing that default can’t react to in anyways

[dusty kite]

dunno which side youre on but ig eh

[dusty kite]

not really just move sidways erratically

[unkempt saddle]

If I see st wrong I just dunk it

I’m not on any side